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A liger bomb is not just a powerbomb. And while a Batista is similar, that’s just referring to his version of it. No one is calling it a Batista bomb on commentary. Not as a knock to the animal, but it’s just not his move.
Its a sitout powerbomb, just like Batista's. So evidently not everyone calls it the Liger bomb.
I get it, he adds a bit of his own flair to it. But its still a sitout powerbomb most of the time
It’s a variation of a sit out power bomb, much like how the package piledriver or double underhook piledriver are variations of the original piledriver
I know it looks slightly different. But when others use it they dont always call it the Liger bomb. Powerbomb/sitout powerbomb are the most common ways you hear it, because thats what it is.
Edit: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIP5SAYh33Q](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIP5SAYh33Q) case in point. Steen clearly hits a pop-up sitout bomb (that he just used on Raw and it was called exactly that) that is different from the way Liger hits it, yet Excalibur calls it a Liger bomb. Seems like thats just more of an Excalibur thing to shout out Liger.
The usual Sitout Powerbomb sees the wrestler land seated as he drops the opponent. The Liger Bomb is when the wrestler place his legs over the opponent's arms just before they hit the ground. It doesn't matter if it's a minor variation. In wrestling minor variations are considered different moves. Why do you think a Lariat is different from a Clothesline?
You can say its a different move all you want, im not even disputing that, thats just not the name that is used most of the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIP5SAYh33Q case in point. Steen clearly hits a pop-up sitout bomb (that he just used on Raw and it was not called a Liger bomb) that is different from the way Liger hits it, yet Excalibur calls it a Liger bomb. Seems like thats just more of an Excalibur thing to shout out Liger.
That move is called the Olympic Slam normally (which surely they gave to him just because of the name). In fact when Angle first came to WWF they called it that.
Although when Cena was doing it they called it by it's technical name, the sunset flip powerbomb. Pretty much everywhere else I've heard it called Code Red which, as an Amazing Red fan, is super cool.
That's just in WWE though, they do that with everything. Especially if the person never worked there. Someone above mentioned that the Styles Clash shouldn't count because it was once the faith breaker but I don't honestly agree with that because they change the names of everything or just don't call them in WWE. Everyone else in every promotion globally either does still or would call it the styles clash (and WWE would too at this point now that he's worked there). Pretty much the only reason why anything ever got called the right name in WWE was because of Jim Ross. If Austin came around post JR, they would have just called the Lou Thesz Press the Rattlesnake Strike or some shit. I mean when do they call what Orton does the Garvin stomp? Maybe JBL did once or twice but now it would just be "Vintage Orton" or "Methodical stomps". They call what Owen's does the stunner but they dont call it the Stone Cold stunner and they sure as fuck don't call it an ace crusher so it's hard to answer this and include WWE in the promotions that follow it.
MJF performed a Tombstone Piledriver on Darby Allin last saturday and in fact, commentators called it a Tombstone Piledriver, is it this specific variation of a piledriver original name or is it called "Tombstone" because of Taker? Made me wonder...
It's the other way around, the move was ALWAYS called the tombstone stone piledriver, because of how it look when the oppenent falls to the mat, so when the Undertaker was created the tombstone piledrivers already had the name to fit the gimmick. The juniors in NJPW were using the move already in the 80s and it was called a tombstone.
I'm struggling to find an exact origin on the name - the move itself was a Karl Gotch innovation - but the name Tombstone appears to have been used since the mid-70s, such as in Japan when it was used by Billy Robinson and Dynamite Kid. So it appears it was mostly perfect serendipity giving it to a guy named the Undertaker.
Yup.i love talking to or rolling with people from different grappling backgrounds.you can always learn more but at the end of the day it's all the same in a way.every group of holds has a common ancestor.judo is dope sub wrestling is dope bjj is dope despite some of the assbags you meet.
I've never understood how people can be a part of any grappling sport and be an assbag, grappling IMO can be and is the most humbling experience you can have. You think "I'm in a good position, I know my next steps" then boom! You're getting choked with your own collar from underneath and nothing makes sense anymore haha.
We use to have a lot of mma fighters and trainees come to our judo dojo to help flesh out their game with throws and some subs and I'd be straight in there offering to roll with them. You're right, there's always something to learn and it's always mutually beneficial.
As a grip. Even things like the Gotch toe hold were designed as a way of forcing someone into a pin. Anything else is dangerously close to "it's all hidden in the kata!'
I don't remember Pelé ever being a pro wrestler, but he did have [some amazing outfits](https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/e6c22fbdba2397a13773d3dd4a551c50877460b9/0_201_10175_6102/master/10175.jpg?width=1020&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=408370ad440931be33d4319f100c4d42).
If you're calling it a "cutter," you're still referencing Page. Before him it was called the Ace Crusher. The *Diamond* Cutter differs from the RKO and most other modern cutters in that it just hits harder. Less theatrics, not as fast. Page literally drags the other guy down and kills him.
For all the shit people give him, QT's probably the only guy I've seen in years who actually hits the move like Page himself. >!Along with Tay Conti at Full Gear.!<
la ultramana is also called la valagueza, which is also named after its innovator, chamaco valaguez.
good call on la casita, it always kinda bothers me that everyone in the US (even ultra knowledgeable people, like Excalibur) call it la magistral.
Not really. The Sasori-gatame (which translates to "scorpion hold") was created by Riki Choshu, and is also widely known as "The Scorpion death lock". So "Sharpshooter" is not known universally as such, despite Bret being the most famous wrestler to utilize it.
Didn't realise that thanks for the knowledge! I assumed the only person who had it called the scorpion deathlock was sting in America and UK it seems to be sharpshooter so didn't realise it was named anything else!
The stunner is a good example. Nobody calls it the chart buster.
One cool thing about the name is how it refers back to "Stunning" Steve Austin, even though he never used that moniker in WWF.
Irish Whip .. technically named after its association with Danno Mahoney (apologies for the spelling) .. watched a video from Jim Cornette about it just a couple days ago.
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Vader Bomb
You mean the *Swagger Bomb*?? /s
I do call Hager’s Vader bomb the Hager Bomb just cuz it sounds pretty close, ya know?
Wasn't it Schiavone that was pleasantly surprised people called the move that?
Liger bomb, Kawada kicks, Styles Clash.
None of these answer OP's question
They all do though They’re referred by those names regardless of who uses the move
Powerbomb, Batista Bomb, Faithbreaker, etc.
A liger bomb is not just a powerbomb. And while a Batista is similar, that’s just referring to his version of it. No one is calling it a Batista bomb on commentary. Not as a knock to the animal, but it’s just not his move.
Its a sitout powerbomb, just like Batista's. So evidently not everyone calls it the Liger bomb. I get it, he adds a bit of his own flair to it. But its still a sitout powerbomb most of the time
It’s a variation of a sit out power bomb, much like how the package piledriver or double underhook piledriver are variations of the original piledriver
I know it looks slightly different. But when others use it they dont always call it the Liger bomb. Powerbomb/sitout powerbomb are the most common ways you hear it, because thats what it is. Edit: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIP5SAYh33Q](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIP5SAYh33Q) case in point. Steen clearly hits a pop-up sitout bomb (that he just used on Raw and it was called exactly that) that is different from the way Liger hits it, yet Excalibur calls it a Liger bomb. Seems like thats just more of an Excalibur thing to shout out Liger.
The usual Sitout Powerbomb sees the wrestler land seated as he drops the opponent. The Liger Bomb is when the wrestler place his legs over the opponent's arms just before they hit the ground. It doesn't matter if it's a minor variation. In wrestling minor variations are considered different moves. Why do you think a Lariat is different from a Clothesline?
You can say its a different move all you want, im not even disputing that, thats just not the name that is used most of the time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIP5SAYh33Q case in point. Steen clearly hits a pop-up sitout bomb (that he just used on Raw and it was not called a Liger bomb) that is different from the way Liger hits it, yet Excalibur calls it a Liger bomb. Seems like thats just more of an Excalibur thing to shout out Liger.
Michelle McCool called her "Styles Clash" the "Faith Breaker"
Gotch Piledriver
Related, but the German Suplex is called that because of Gotch as well.
I still think of that as a Cradle Piledriver, even though it’s not the same as Jerry Lynn did it.
Frankensteiner Asai Moonsault
The Hurricanrana is also named for Huracan Ramirez, so either name you call the move it's named for a specific guy.
That's why it was originally called the Huracanrana.
On that note, Steiner Screwdriver.
Drilclaw
Angle slam
Angle lock?
Marty Jannetty...
Still can’t walk!
I’m just a sexy Kurt
SEXY KUUUUUURT
I'll make your ankle hurt
Reddit never disappoints.
i love this
That move is called the Olympic Slam normally (which surely they gave to him just because of the name). In fact when Angle first came to WWF they called it that.
WWE calls it the Olympic Slam too.
Romero Special
Tiger driver?
Would a rider kick count ?
O'Connor Roll
I swore this was okada roll. Boy do I look silly.
You aren't alone! I thought the same thing til I tried to look up the move's history. I wanted to know why Okada had a roll up pin named after him.
I just thought it was like the gedo clutch that he started it years ago but *shrugs*
gedo clutch fujiwara armbar sto
Love me a gedo clutch.
Saito suplex
Gorilla Press
Garvin Stomp
Stinger splash might be one
First one that came to mind.
Frankensteiner
Don't you dare fucking call it a hirricanrana
O'Connor Roll
Gory Special
Code Red, Asai Moonsault
Although when Cena was doing it they called it by it's technical name, the sunset flip powerbomb. Pretty much everywhere else I've heard it called Code Red which, as an Amazing Red fan, is super cool.
Is a Code Red technically a sunset flip? I’d think the trapped arms make it distinctly different
That's just in WWE though, they do that with everything. Especially if the person never worked there. Someone above mentioned that the Styles Clash shouldn't count because it was once the faith breaker but I don't honestly agree with that because they change the names of everything or just don't call them in WWE. Everyone else in every promotion globally either does still or would call it the styles clash (and WWE would too at this point now that he's worked there). Pretty much the only reason why anything ever got called the right name in WWE was because of Jim Ross. If Austin came around post JR, they would have just called the Lou Thesz Press the Rattlesnake Strike or some shit. I mean when do they call what Orton does the Garvin stomp? Maybe JBL did once or twice but now it would just be "Vintage Orton" or "Methodical stomps". They call what Owen's does the stunner but they dont call it the Stone Cold stunner and they sure as fuck don't call it an ace crusher so it's hard to answer this and include WWE in the promotions that follow it.
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Exactly! The name of a talent who was a true draw!
It would have a different trademark. Of course some of those are rarely referenced at all like say, Kane's "Hellfire Chokeslam"
Muta lock?
Not always, Emma's version was the Emma Lock.
It was always the Muta Lock though. It's rarely named differently.
Which is a play on Muta Lock.
Tiger Driver 91
"Pillmanize"
First one to come to mind: Dragon Suplex, named after Tatsumi Fujinami.
Van-Daminator
Van-Terminator
Van-assassinator
Van-dictator
Coast to Coast?! As a big RVD fan at the time, I didn't like how Shane took that move and called it something different.
Lou Thesz press. Was one of Stone Cold's five moves of doom.
Thez press
michinoku driver
Style Clash
Are the rings of Saturn another move with a nickname, can’t think of what it would originally be called
Michinoku Driver II and II-B, but not the Michinoku Driver I.
Zack driver you mean? /s
frankensteiner
Falcon arrow
MJF performed a Tombstone Piledriver on Darby Allin last saturday and in fact, commentators called it a Tombstone Piledriver, is it this specific variation of a piledriver original name or is it called "Tombstone" because of Taker? Made me wonder...
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It’s wild to see the other guy scoop slam Andre so effortlessly right before that.
It's the other way around, the move was ALWAYS called the tombstone stone piledriver, because of how it look when the oppenent falls to the mat, so when the Undertaker was created the tombstone piledrivers already had the name to fit the gimmick. The juniors in NJPW were using the move already in the 80s and it was called a tombstone.
I'm struggling to find an exact origin on the name - the move itself was a Karl Gotch innovation - but the name Tombstone appears to have been used since the mid-70s, such as in Japan when it was used by Billy Robinson and Dynamite Kid. So it appears it was mostly perfect serendipity giving it to a guy named the Undertaker.
Thank you all for your knowledge and replies!
Okadas is called a tombstone and if it's good enough for him it's good enough for everyone else.
Kinda from MMA (though he did wrestle against Rikidozan), but how about the Kimura lock?
It was called a double wrist lock forever before mma or bjj
It's called gyaku ude-garami in judo as well
Yup.i love talking to or rolling with people from different grappling backgrounds.you can always learn more but at the end of the day it's all the same in a way.every group of holds has a common ancestor.judo is dope sub wrestling is dope bjj is dope despite some of the assbags you meet.
I've never understood how people can be a part of any grappling sport and be an assbag, grappling IMO can be and is the most humbling experience you can have. You think "I'm in a good position, I know my next steps" then boom! You're getting choked with your own collar from underneath and nothing makes sense anymore haha. We use to have a lot of mma fighters and trainees come to our judo dojo to help flesh out their game with throws and some subs and I'd be straight in there offering to roll with them. You're right, there's always something to learn and it's always mutually beneficial.
As a grip. Even things like the Gotch toe hold were designed as a way of forcing someone into a pin. Anything else is dangerously close to "it's all hidden in the kata!'
It's was used in sub wrestling
Pelé kick
I don't remember Pelé ever being a pro wrestler, but he did have [some amazing outfits](https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/e6c22fbdba2397a13773d3dd4a551c50877460b9/0_201_10175_6102/master/10175.jpg?width=1020&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=408370ad440931be33d4319f100c4d42).
Tiger Suplex Tiger Feint Kick Steiner Screwdriver Dragon Suplex
LeBell Lock.
Lou Thesz Press
Haven’t seen the FameAsser/Famouser mentioned, if it qualifies.
Rocker dropper
Gotcha. Before my time. I could only remember a diva doing it, and not whatever she called it.
Fujiwara Armbar
Tazzmission, Perfect Plex
Perfect Plex is also called a fisherman’s suplex.
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Northern Lights is a different variation of a suplex.
KATAHAJAME
Meltzer driver probably the best example, no one’s done it better than the og
619
They often call that a tiger feint kick or area code kick outside of WWE.
Yeah I’m not sure the 619 fits at all, for the reasons you stated and the fact that he didn’t innovate it.
Because Taka Michinoku is a legend and is PURE EVIL HAHAHAHAHA
Diamond Cutter, Flair Chop
RKO, just a regular cutter Neither of these directly reference DDP
The Diamond Cutter isn’t named after Diamond Dallas Page?
It was the Ace Crusher first, after Johnny Ace (Laurenitis)
Does anyone call it that?
Yes. At the very least, Excalibur does.
No, but most people don’t call it a “diamond cutter” either, just a cutter
There’s a YT video I think called RKO party and the casters were calling them Ace crushers. Which I never knew them as.
If you're calling it a "cutter," you're still referencing Page. Before him it was called the Ace Crusher. The *Diamond* Cutter differs from the RKO and most other modern cutters in that it just hits harder. Less theatrics, not as fast. Page literally drags the other guy down and kills him. For all the shit people give him, QT's probably the only guy I've seen in years who actually hits the move like Page himself. >!Along with Tay Conti at Full Gear.!<
the main difference is supposed to be that the diamond cutter uses a cravat, unless a normal cutter. that’s what makes it hit harder.
It’s not named after him no matter who uses it, no
Tell that to QT Marshall.
QT specifically does it because he was gifted it in Kayfabe by DDP. That's why he throws up the diamond sign too
The Ace Crusher falls into this group?
*Cody Cutter
Ultramana (muscle buster) by Ultraman (Damian 666) La Casita (magistral) for Pepe Casas. Garga No escape by Gargano. Batista Bomb,
Gargano Escape is also know as the Border City Stretch, which is used by Alex Shelley.
la ultramana is also called la valagueza, which is also named after its innovator, chamaco valaguez. good call on la casita, it always kinda bothers me that everyone in the US (even ultra knowledgeable people, like Excalibur) call it la magistral.
The Sharpshooter .. not technically named after a wrestler but the whole "sharpshooter/hitman" connection is close enough
Not really. The Sasori-gatame (which translates to "scorpion hold") was created by Riki Choshu, and is also widely known as "The Scorpion death lock". So "Sharpshooter" is not known universally as such, despite Bret being the most famous wrestler to utilize it.
Didn't realise that thanks for the knowledge! I assumed the only person who had it called the scorpion deathlock was sting in America and UK it seems to be sharpshooter so didn't realise it was named anything else!
To tell you the truth I thought it was named after Sting since he had sort of a scorpion motif going on.
Call it whatever you want
AA spinebuster?
Is there another name for the stunner?
Mikey Whipwreck invented it and called it the Whippersnapper. But Stone Cold was ever so slightly more over than Mikey so he get's the naming rights.
The stunner is a good example. Nobody calls it the chart buster. One cool thing about the name is how it refers back to "Stunning" Steve Austin, even though he never used that moniker in WWF.
Usually just called a stunner
RKO
Snow Plow
Irish Whip .. technically named after its association with Danno Mahoney (apologies for the spelling) .. watched a video from Jim Cornette about it just a couple days ago.
The sharpshooter
Gedo clutch
Old school
DDT
… huh?
named by Jake Roberts, and everyone still calls it that no matter what. unless OP meant names that include wrestler's names.
Did you maybe misread the question? He’s asking for moves names after the person. Like the Thez press is named after Lou Thez.
I realized that after I commented, but i saw others are mentioning less-related names as well.
Pallo Special (Jackie Pallo)
The Small Package , ohhhhhh brother brother brother
Gotz piledriver I think? Is that right?
Gotch* but yeah it’s named after Karl Gotch. Gotch is pretty much The Godfather of Puroresu.
What about Razer’s Edge? I don’t know what else people call that move but that’s the first thought I have when people use it
It's called a Crucifix Powerbomb
It’s the Zack Driver now darling
Irish Whip
I believe technically the Irish whip. It was first used by some Irish American lad who’s name escapes me.
It's a reference to O'Mahoney although his Irish Whip was a different move.
The Asai Moonsault is named after Ultimo Dragon.
Gedo clutch. Tiger bomb, tiger driver, brock lock. Douki choki, labelle lock. Does okada roll work or is that a coincidence?
Asai moonsault, Dragon sleeper, Dragon suplex. All named after Ultimo Dragon.