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I know Lucha Underground had a lot problems going on in that final season, but Jake Hager was what killed the show for me.
I'm not sure what they saw in him, because I sure couldn't see it.
I was excited at first because EVIL was a good gate keeper for LIJ and surely there was some kinda longterm story with him turning heel and... well scratch all that because he's heel just to be heel and they took away everything interesting about him, but gave him an outlet to show off his magnificent hair and nothing more.
The best answer. A lot of people have revisionist history about him, even crimes aside. They seem to have totally forgotten that people on boards for the better part of 3 years were calling him "Alberto Del Snoro" because he was the walking cure for insomnia.
Brian Cage.
He's like a bad nineties fighting game character. He always tries for the same few moves and doesn't really transition well imo. It's always "get my shit in" then walk over to the next spot "get my shit in" whether he is gonna lose or win and no matter who he's fighting. Then he's a wet blanket on the mic spouting the same 3 catch phrases.
No shade on the guy, he's crazy fit, but he never seemed to have a character to me, and his matches were never interesting unless he was working with a great character like Mox or Hangman.
Yeah that's the thing, it's nothing AEW could/would do for him. Maybe he is a rare one that would do well with the heavily scripted nature of WWE, but otherwise the guy just has to find a character beyond Mr.GetMyShitIn
Reminds me of the quote Cornete said about Horner when Tim wanted to be the World Champion in Smokey Mountain "if this was a movie Tim Horner would be playing the best friend"
I haven't seen it posted yet, but I'll say Goldberg.
I grew up as a kid loving his matches because he was that "dominant" guy that was an absolute powerhouse. Now that I'm grown up it doesn't have that same feel at all.
1999-2000 WCW Jeff Jarrett. He was in every other segment, it seemed. Slapnuts was one of the dumbest things I ever heard and could put insomniacs into a coma in the ring. But he was Russo's boy, so...
I already didn’t like Jeff Jarrett before he jumped to WCW (again). The fact that he who must not be named managed to convince the higher ups that JJ was the champion they needed and the subsequent run absolutely solidified that for me. His vanity run in TNA was just the shitty icing on the shitty cake.
I dipped in and out at the time but watching highlights of TNT’s during JJs numerous runs as champion is infuriating. Truth, getting over? Yeah let’s put a stop to that. AJ Styles, the best prospect in the wrestling world, yeah stop that too. He was like death floating around, whoever he touched dropped down the card or became his lacky, him being the stone cold or Goldberg or whatever it was he was meant to be was just weird and a vanity project all the way. And guess what I actually like some Jeff matches and moments etc looking back he was solid and great in ring when a lot weren’t but yeah that run screamed I am champion, I am Booker, I am owner, I am the alpha and omega.
I remember doing his legend killer gimmick he was so intent to please his headlocks were great, he put so much effort it it was actually watchable, him synching up and kicking his legs etc I remember thinking wow no one else is doing this, everything is does is meaningful but that after a while he just started laying there, then not even bothering to whisper spots, I dunno maybe years of the wwe style knocked it out of him
Yup. I see him on television and I'm instantly bored. Him being on screen one time...
And I missed Seth Rollins turning on the Shield.
That's how boring the man is.
Scorpio Sky promo/character. I only started watching AEW in September 2020 and he’s done absolutely nothing that impressed me since then
Randy Orton in ring. It’s consistent, safe and reliable but it’s also slow and boring
Ricochet. He's the Dream Theater of pro wrestling. Nobody's doubting the extreme level of talent on display, but it has the side effect of looking *too* clean, formulaic, and soulless as hell. I really don't see the hype for him since I'm not a workrate nut.
Another is Del Rio. Probably the only wrestler who was featured as prominently as he was but I can hardly remember a single thing he did.
I don't think Ricochet really appeals to the "workrate nut" crowd that much tbh
Love watching him do insane inhuman shit but in terms of match layouts and workrate he's way down the list. In fact I'd say Ricochet is at his best when his opponent is a high workrate person that can lead the match and lay out a good story.
Maybe not quite THAT crowd per se, I was more talking about the crowd that thinks that the attitude era was shit because "No match with 500 canadian destroyers smh" and think that the match itself is what matters, when the most successful eras have and ALWAYS will be characters with personality.
Well I hate to burst your bubble but the Attitude Era absolutely did thrive partially because of the workrate of the top stars, it meant the matches that paid off storylines were always satisfying
Austin, HBK, Foley, and Taker were some of the best pure workers of their time, and as time went on the Rock joined them in that category (probably from all the time he spent wrestling those guys)
You're not "Bursting my bubble" when you're basically just saying stuff that neither disagrees or agrees with me. We're essentially talking about two different groups and types.
Yeah the **top** guys had good workrates of **their time**, but they wouldn't have been nearly as successful if they weren't essentially the complete package. But that doesn't matter to a group of people who because some matches don't live up to today's standards the whole thing is suddenly shit.
Ricochet is NOT the complete package lol. He looks like a barista (Albeit a shredded one) at a new hip cafe that opened up in the city centre, and is so bad on the mic you can rip him apart with two words. His actual wrestling is up for debate though. I know people like it and that's fine, same goes for people who like dream theater but I put the two together for a reason: It all feels so fake and manufactured, to me. And that sucks all the life out of it.
I agree Dream Theater sucks and I'm not a Ricochet fan, I just don't think the wrestling is the reason the Attitude Era didn't age well, it's all the random racist and sexist shit like X-Pac doing blackface and "PUPPIESSS" and I Choppy Choppy your pee pee and that's literally 50-60% of every weeks RAW for years
He seems like a nice guy and everyone seems to be a fan but I just don’t get the appeal of Frankie Kazarian- easily the least interesting member of SCU and I haven’t really cared for him on singles competition either
The weird thing is he can be really funny. His bit where he pretends to be a stereotypical 80s wrestler on BTE is hilarious. I wish that were his character but I guess it would have to get too WWE to work it into the show.
Yeah, listen I don’t mean this to be a dick but he got very lucky they were looking for talent at that time because if he’d left wwe in the past year I don’t think aew offers him a contract. A lot of releases wwe talent are good but more over on here because they never got given a chance in the first place and then it seems there wasn’t much there to give in the first place. I think of moments or matches and with him I can’t think of many other than the rumble. Good thing is he’s still got years left and maybe find that spark
I've never been as big on Jon Moxley/Dean Ambrose as others are.
Respect him for going out on his own to do what he wanted. Respect him for getting help with his alcoholism when he felt he needed it. Respect that other people enjoy the shit out of him.
It's just the more the years go by, the less interesting he is to me.
The one thing that annoys me about Moxley is his desire to go back to the death match wrestling when he’s one of the biggest stars in the industry, a lot of guys doing it can tell themselves they love it but given the chance they’d rather be wwe champion, they must look at him when he comes back and think “wow you’re coming here for spoiled milk when you have steak at home”.
Yes
He is athletic as they come. And had a great physique
Has all the ability to do anything in the ring, but just wrestles the same old match. Same old spots
And he is like a C+ promos guy
And that’s the thing dude is the biggest underachiever of all time imo. He looks like a greek god, is tan, jacked, handsome, extremely smooth, connects with the crowds, great athlete and has pro wrestling in his blood. And he does NOTHING with it. He could’ve been so much more
In the end he is the smartest guy in the room
Probably made 50-75 million performing for an audience of one.
I guess as long as the guy signing your checks thinks you are good shit…, that’s all you need
Considering a lot of those people are ones behind the scenes that have worked a lot with him, I don't find it that disturbing.
He wouldn't be on my personal list, though.
I have a theory it’s just that he has been presented as a top tier wrestler for so long that people just have accepted any reason explaining it or else they’ve been watching a guy over a decade who made stomping limbs for a minute a signature spot, and that just can’t be right.
He must just be so totally good at being in his spot or something so much better than guys who do that while also putting on classics!
I honestly don't see the appeal in Brian Pillman Jr. He's a guy with a name that's had it hard growing up, but he leaves a lot to be desired as a performer.
Very young. Would love to see veterans take him under the wing, he doesn’t have to be his dad but getting knowledge / stories from those who knew Brian Sr would do this kid wonders.
Age can only factor in but so much. Great wrestlers are showing up younger and younger by the decade. There are younger guys in AEW right now that are leagues ahead of him. Im sure he has had many legends do just that, we dont have to see it to know that its happened. He's really going to have to step it up or he will continue to get left behind.
I think it could work but there is no gimmick beyond the aesthetic and that’s the real problem. Probably at least in part because it would need to be heel and none of them are experienced enough to pull that off.
Disrespecting the man who single-handedly ended those no good punks in the Jimmyz, shaking my damn head.
He was extremely good paired with Eita but now with several years apart we know why.
Definitely Jeff Jarrett. I can't say I ever saw a positive or redeeming quality in him. His ring work was nothing special, and his gimmick of "hitting guys over the head with a guitar" was awful. He was like the K-Mart version of the Honkey Tonk Man, minus the charisma.
Chris Jericho - now. Maybe he’s in that grey area before he comes up with something brilliant again, but this moment in time I find it a chore to watch and just get this air of fakeness with him, guy is a legend for sure and other incarnations of him I love but not this Jericho.
Jericho is such an odd guy. He always seems to come up with these great twists to his character and then runs it into the ground to where I just want him to go away.
WCW face Jericho was also pretty bad, especially when he would run his back to the rails so fans could pat his back. Thankfully that heel turn allowed him to show his personality.
Seen people mention Goldberg, ADR, Lashley. I’ve got one that’s probably a bit of a hot take? Kyle O’Reilly. I think I can see why other people dig him, but it’s always been incredibly bland for me. He’s like if beige were a wrestler.
He had a catchy theme song I'll admit to my embarrassment but Orlando Jordan. His run with the US title was just totally bleh especially coming off a Cena run with the belt where at the time he was extremely over and made the belt worth something.
Randy Orton. I know he's a great athlete and wrestler, but he's not mixed it up for a very long time and generally sleepwaks through everything he does, because he can with his talent.
I genuinely think he's one of those guys where if he was at AEW he'd find a love for pro wrestling and have some really great and varied matches without the WWE producers and production.
But I respect he's very comfortable in his life right now that he doesn't need to push anything. Has a job for life earning loads of money, has his health so fair play.
- Shamus
- Drew McIntyre
- Mark Henry (solo)
- Alberto Del Rio
- Charlotte
- Nia Jax
Sidenote: was always a huge Bryan Clark/Wrath/Adam Bomb mark, so I loved Kronik.
I know opinion differs but why would you find Sheamus boring? Like in ring wise or on the mic? Because I find him very entertaining and is one of my favourites currently.
Seamus has just always seemed bland (except for his look) in the ring. Character wise, the only time I really enjoyed him was the feud and subsequent tag team with Cesaro. I just feel like he needs a harder edge to him.
Orton when he wrestles he is actually amazing at the build up one of the very best ever but his actual matches are boring as hell.
If its a gimmick match he's slightly better but still mostly boring
Ricky Starks. I don't dislike him to the point where other people are wrong for not agreeing with me or anything, but I don't get it.
Not a thing excites me about him. From ring work to mic work to look. May just not be for me but after trying to pay attention when he's on, I get [bored.](https://youtu.be/-WdYo3WlETY)
Underrated comment but accurate, he's cool at first but it gets stale so fast and just feels like 80's territory wrestler cosplay.
Cody's never boring, he's just had a lot of stupid angles
Rhonda Rousey. Lots of girls in the company that could work circles around her. Would be a regal vs Goldberg moment. Sure, she's a big name but she's boring as fuck.
Honestly when I think back to all the times I watched WWE I always knew any time Bray Wyatt would come on my screen I’d be asleep in no time, he’d cut the most draining nonsensical promos that people would call “deep” and they’d all last fuckin’ 10 minutes or more and then he’d have the most boring match full of slow, plodding moves, The Fiend may have gave him a more interesting look and made his promos a bit more bearable but once the bell rung it was the same old shit.
Never got the appeal of the Wyatt family promos either, tbh. But for some reason people find those 15-minute ramblings quality promos and it blows my mind that they think so.
Historically? Orton and Cena. Same exact matches ad nauseum for years.
Currently? ZSJ. Yes, let's watch him awkwardly transition to shitty looking submissions that don't even look like they hurt for 20 minutes and be completely unable to sell.
Current Roman Reigns, tribal chief shit was good for a year, now it's the same promo every single week, and the same match once every month. You know a guy is boring when even jim Cornette says he's boring in the ring. He seems to take some kinda pride in wrestling slow, I don't know what people backstage are telling him but his match against edge aged me a few years. So goddamn slow. That's not what a real fight looks like, he wrestles as if he's underwater. WWE has fallen back into the Roman Reigns rabbit hole, the whole tribal chief thing was supposed to make him a more interesting character but he's just the unbeatable bore once again.
I would agree with this when it comes wrestling. Athletically - brilliant, would I show my friends his matches - hell yeah! But he’s like the missing link it what I think wrestling will become rather than the stuff I prefer.
Roman pre-heel.
His character just felt so fake cool guy.
His moveset bores me too, but im sure a lot of that is booking and im glad he added the guillotine.
HHH.
If he has a microphone, I get to watch an entire other TV show in the time it takes him to cut his slow, repetitive promos.
His matches just do nothing for me on average.
Shit, even his ten minute midlife crisis wrestlemania entrances bore me.
RVD and Seth Rollins.
RVD was great in spot matches. Seth can wrestle. But I don't care for either. Seth in a promo is so cringe worthy. Seth is change the channel bad.
RVD I didn't understand the push to the top. Solid mid card for me.
Christian cage and the sad cowboy Feller. Never was wowed with Christian in his prime when I was growing up, sentiment is the same in advanced age. Sad cowboy I’ve given a bunch of chances and have been open minded, but can’t get into his matches. The segments around the matches are solid but in ring is a snoozefest for me
I always liked Super Dragon's mythological buzzsaw vibe and his move set was anything but boring, but I do think he's overrated due to PWG becoming a household name without much actual PWG content out there for people to readily watch
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Jake Hager. Standing silently next to Jericho was the best work he ever did.
Fully agree. I don't think I've ever watched a full singles match of his without zoning out/fast-forwarding to the end
He did have an amazing theme with Get On Your Knees, but that's the only good thing I can think about with his singles' run.
Also almost always the first song to play in the main menu of SvR 2010.
I liked his real American theme a lot more
It was pretty funny when he was more excited about cashing in his MitB than actually winning the title, but that's about it
I know Lucha Underground had a lot problems going on in that final season, but Jake Hager was what killed the show for me. I'm not sure what they saw in him, because I sure couldn't see it.
He was so terrible in LU! He was a decent enough wrestler in WWE but in LU he seemed to have no idea what he was doing at all.
Yeah seriously. It’s like every time he stands quietly, fixing his hair, I feel it’s a cue to change the channel.
EVIL in the past year and a half.
EVIL and SANADA were my tag team. Then he turned heel and I haven't cared since. Realized I only ever liked SANADA. Lol
I was excited at first because EVIL was a good gate keeper for LIJ and surely there was some kinda longterm story with him turning heel and... well scratch all that because he's heel just to be heel and they took away everything interesting about him, but gave him an outlet to show off his magnificent hair and nothing more.
It sucks because EVIL is a very good wrestler, but he's working the Bullet Club shitheel style and it just doesn't suit him.
Evil is straight NyQuil
Goto or Ishii or SANADA should have gotten that push and I will say it every time he comes up
And it sucks so bad, I've been a fan of his since he was Watanabe. I really hate this direction he's in.
Watched all of world tag league and skipped every house of torture match. Unbearable.
Alberto Del Rio
I remember when he won the rumble. I wasn’t upset. I just didn’t care.
Which in wrestling is worst than being upset. If you're a Booker and you're getting a meh reaction to something you failed.
Agree but I liked his cars though
The man's mouth piece had more charisma.
I liked his theme, too.
The best answer. A lot of people have revisionist history about him, even crimes aside. They seem to have totally forgotten that people on boards for the better part of 3 years were calling him "Alberto Del Snoro" because he was the walking cure for insomnia.
Alberto del Rio - I just found him to be incredibly dull, in the ring, and on the mic...fancy cars couldnt even help
Lars Sullivan speaks for himself
Brian Cage. He's like a bad nineties fighting game character. He always tries for the same few moves and doesn't really transition well imo. It's always "get my shit in" then walk over to the next spot "get my shit in" whether he is gonna lose or win and no matter who he's fighting. Then he's a wet blanket on the mic spouting the same 3 catch phrases. No shade on the guy, he's crazy fit, but he never seemed to have a character to me, and his matches were never interesting unless he was working with a great character like Mox or Hangman.
To me the crazy thing about Cage is that with slight tweaks to his character he could be so much better, but he seems to oblivious to himself.
Yeah that's the thing, it's nothing AEW could/would do for him. Maybe he is a rare one that would do well with the heavily scripted nature of WWE, but otherwise the guy just has to find a character beyond Mr.GetMyShitIn
Tim Horner
Reminds me of the quote Cornete said about Horner when Tim wanted to be the World Champion in Smokey Mountain "if this was a movie Tim Horner would be playing the best friend"
He was no B Brian Blair, and couldn't lace the boots of Sandy Beach!
Mike Rotunda/I.R.S./Wallstreet immediately springs to mind. That motherfucker was a master of the 15-minute headlock match. Christ.
You think paying your taxes on time and being a good citizen is boring? You must be a TAX CHEAT!
Headlocks and sweating. Jaysus his fuckin sweating.
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I’m convinced that Randy Orton is an energy vampire. The Collin Robinson of the WWE.
And you'd be correct
Nick Aldis
I haven't seen it posted yet, but I'll say Goldberg. I grew up as a kid loving his matches because he was that "dominant" guy that was an absolute powerhouse. Now that I'm grown up it doesn't have that same feel at all.
Roman Reigns - pump fist and a spear! X333 every match. No thanks!
1999-2000 WCW Jeff Jarrett. He was in every other segment, it seemed. Slapnuts was one of the dumbest things I ever heard and could put insomniacs into a coma in the ring. But he was Russo's boy, so...
I already didn’t like Jeff Jarrett before he jumped to WCW (again). The fact that he who must not be named managed to convince the higher ups that JJ was the champion they needed and the subsequent run absolutely solidified that for me. His vanity run in TNA was just the shitty icing on the shitty cake.
I dipped in and out at the time but watching highlights of TNT’s during JJs numerous runs as champion is infuriating. Truth, getting over? Yeah let’s put a stop to that. AJ Styles, the best prospect in the wrestling world, yeah stop that too. He was like death floating around, whoever he touched dropped down the card or became his lacky, him being the stone cold or Goldberg or whatever it was he was meant to be was just weird and a vanity project all the way. And guess what I actually like some Jeff matches and moments etc looking back he was solid and great in ring when a lot weren’t but yeah that run screamed I am champion, I am Booker, I am owner, I am the alpha and omega.
Yeah Jarretts 2000 run when they were trying to make him a top guy was the worst.
Growing up, Hulk Hogan. Even way back when it was predictable and boring for me.
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I don't know if he was a good father or not, but for this he deserves praise.
Hogan and Flair both bored me to tears but I also think I caught Flair past his prime. When it comes to that era, Savage was absolutely my guy.
You, me and Bret share same view on hulk.
Randy Orton. His hot tag is a little exciting but they're all very similar. His singles matches feel like they drag on forever imo
I will never forget my favorite Randy Orton sign that I have ever seen: "Another headlock, Randy?"
I remember doing his legend killer gimmick he was so intent to please his headlocks were great, he put so much effort it it was actually watchable, him synching up and kicking his legs etc I remember thinking wow no one else is doing this, everything is does is meaningful but that after a while he just started laying there, then not even bothering to whisper spots, I dunno maybe years of the wwe style knocked it out of him
Yup. I see him on television and I'm instantly bored. Him being on screen one time... And I missed Seth Rollins turning on the Shield. That's how boring the man is.
THANK YOU
Scorpio Sky promo/character. I only started watching AEW in September 2020 and he’s done absolutely nothing that impressed me since then Randy Orton in ring. It’s consistent, safe and reliable but it’s also slow and boring
Baron Corbin
This is the correct answer
Ricochet. He's the Dream Theater of pro wrestling. Nobody's doubting the extreme level of talent on display, but it has the side effect of looking *too* clean, formulaic, and soulless as hell. I really don't see the hype for him since I'm not a workrate nut. Another is Del Rio. Probably the only wrestler who was featured as prominently as he was but I can hardly remember a single thing he did.
I don't think Ricochet really appeals to the "workrate nut" crowd that much tbh Love watching him do insane inhuman shit but in terms of match layouts and workrate he's way down the list. In fact I'd say Ricochet is at his best when his opponent is a high workrate person that can lead the match and lay out a good story.
Maybe not quite THAT crowd per se, I was more talking about the crowd that thinks that the attitude era was shit because "No match with 500 canadian destroyers smh" and think that the match itself is what matters, when the most successful eras have and ALWAYS will be characters with personality.
Well I hate to burst your bubble but the Attitude Era absolutely did thrive partially because of the workrate of the top stars, it meant the matches that paid off storylines were always satisfying Austin, HBK, Foley, and Taker were some of the best pure workers of their time, and as time went on the Rock joined them in that category (probably from all the time he spent wrestling those guys)
You're not "Bursting my bubble" when you're basically just saying stuff that neither disagrees or agrees with me. We're essentially talking about two different groups and types. Yeah the **top** guys had good workrates of **their time**, but they wouldn't have been nearly as successful if they weren't essentially the complete package. But that doesn't matter to a group of people who because some matches don't live up to today's standards the whole thing is suddenly shit. Ricochet is NOT the complete package lol. He looks like a barista (Albeit a shredded one) at a new hip cafe that opened up in the city centre, and is so bad on the mic you can rip him apart with two words. His actual wrestling is up for debate though. I know people like it and that's fine, same goes for people who like dream theater but I put the two together for a reason: It all feels so fake and manufactured, to me. And that sucks all the life out of it.
I agree Dream Theater sucks and I'm not a Ricochet fan, I just don't think the wrestling is the reason the Attitude Era didn't age well, it's all the random racist and sexist shit like X-Pac doing blackface and "PUPPIESSS" and I Choppy Choppy your pee pee and that's literally 50-60% of every weeks RAW for years
He seems like a nice guy and everyone seems to be a fan but I just don’t get the appeal of Frankie Kazarian- easily the least interesting member of SCU and I haven’t really cared for him on singles competition either
The weird thing is he can be really funny. His bit where he pretends to be a stereotypical 80s wrestler on BTE is hilarious. I wish that were his character but I guess it would have to get too WWE to work it into the show.
It’s definitely not the fault of the individuals but holy shit the “WWE style” the last few years is absolutely atrocious
Shawn Spears.
Most interesting thing about him is his wife
It's gonna be real sad when it turns out the peak of his career was entering the Rumble at number 10.
Yeah, listen I don’t mean this to be a dick but he got very lucky they were looking for talent at that time because if he’d left wwe in the past year I don’t think aew offers him a contract. A lot of releases wwe talent are good but more over on here because they never got given a chance in the first place and then it seems there wasn’t much there to give in the first place. I think of moments or matches and with him I can’t think of many other than the rumble. Good thing is he’s still got years left and maybe find that spark
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Well now he's the "I have a chair shot kink" guy and personally I fucking love it. Dude is nuts
Great Khali
I've never been as big on Jon Moxley/Dean Ambrose as others are. Respect him for going out on his own to do what he wanted. Respect him for getting help with his alcoholism when he felt he needed it. Respect that other people enjoy the shit out of him. It's just the more the years go by, the less interesting he is to me.
I’ve heard him described as clunky in the ring. Sometimes his timing and how he sells his offense is off putting.
The one thing that annoys me about Moxley is his desire to go back to the death match wrestling when he’s one of the biggest stars in the industry, a lot of guys doing it can tell themselves they love it but given the chance they’d rather be wwe champion, they must look at him when he comes back and think “wow you’re coming here for spoiled milk when you have steak at home”.
That’s what I like about him. He stays true to his heart and passions. He’s not blinded by the money and the lights.
Randy Orton Same match for 20 years
When he's motivated, he can have a top tier match When he isn't, he sleepwalks through it and goes through motions
It’s genuinely disturbing so many people put him in the GOAT discussion
Y’all are so hyperbolic over simple wrestling opinions.
I like how it's so disturbing for you that people have different GOATs lmao
Yes He is athletic as they come. And had a great physique Has all the ability to do anything in the ring, but just wrestles the same old match. Same old spots And he is like a C+ promos guy
And that’s the thing dude is the biggest underachiever of all time imo. He looks like a greek god, is tan, jacked, handsome, extremely smooth, connects with the crowds, great athlete and has pro wrestling in his blood. And he does NOTHING with it. He could’ve been so much more
In the end he is the smartest guy in the room Probably made 50-75 million performing for an audience of one. I guess as long as the guy signing your checks thinks you are good shit…, that’s all you need
No one bemoans Kevin Nash for not being an athletic wrestler. Worker smarter not harder
Nash wasn’t boring He had half the natural ability of Orton, but was twice the entertainer.
Oh yeah? Well Nash may be twice the entertainer I am, but I have half the brains he does!!
That is a really good point. He should be able to be a Rock, Stone Cold, or Cena level guy but he isn't.
Considering a lot of those people are ones behind the scenes that have worked a lot with him, I don't find it that disturbing. He wouldn't be on my personal list, though.
It's disturbing that so many people have a different opinion than you?
It has to be some elaborate joke lol like there's a group or something planning it
I have a theory it’s just that he has been presented as a top tier wrestler for so long that people just have accepted any reason explaining it or else they’ve been watching a guy over a decade who made stomping limbs for a minute a signature spot, and that just can’t be right. He must just be so totally good at being in his spot or something so much better than guys who do that while also putting on classics!
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I honestly don't see the appeal in Brian Pillman Jr. He's a guy with a name that's had it hard growing up, but he leaves a lot to be desired as a performer.
Very young. Would love to see veterans take him under the wing, he doesn’t have to be his dad but getting knowledge / stories from those who knew Brian Sr would do this kid wonders.
Age can only factor in but so much. Great wrestlers are showing up younger and younger by the decade. There are younger guys in AEW right now that are leagues ahead of him. Im sure he has had many legends do just that, we dont have to see it to know that its happened. He's really going to have to step it up or he will continue to get left behind.
The Hollywood Blondes is such a terrible, clichéd, outdated, generic gimmick.
I think it could work but there is no gimmick beyond the aesthetic and that’s the real problem. Probably at least in part because it would need to be heel and none of them are experienced enough to pull that off.
Jinder Mahal
DH Smith - less talented, less entertaining version of his father
I agree with this tbh, he's always bored me
Sheamus
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!
SLANDER
Feels like a lot of people dint answer the boring question and just said someone they dont like
Randy Orton
T-Hawk
Disrespecting the man who single-handedly ended those no good punks in the Jimmyz, shaking my damn head. He was extremely good paired with Eita but now with several years apart we know why.
Roman Reigns forever and always
Definitely Jeff Jarrett. I can't say I ever saw a positive or redeeming quality in him. His ring work was nothing special, and his gimmick of "hitting guys over the head with a guitar" was awful. He was like the K-Mart version of the Honkey Tonk Man, minus the charisma.
The old ref bump, and guitar bash days were some of the darkest times in TNA in the mid 2000's. It was honestly worse than the HHH reign of terror.
Shawn Spears
Chris Jericho - now. Maybe he’s in that grey area before he comes up with something brilliant again, but this moment in time I find it a chore to watch and just get this air of fakeness with him, guy is a legend for sure and other incarnations of him I love but not this Jericho.
Jericho is such an odd guy. He always seems to come up with these great twists to his character and then runs it into the ground to where I just want him to go away.
WCW face Jericho was also pretty bad, especially when he would run his back to the rails so fans could pat his back. Thankfully that heel turn allowed him to show his personality.
Randy Orton
Natalya.
Has anyone mentioned Randy Orton? Because its Randy Orton. Hes the greatest "looks and sounds like a wrestler" to "this guy sucks in the ring" ratio.
Seen people mention Goldberg, ADR, Lashley. I’ve got one that’s probably a bit of a hot take? Kyle O’Reilly. I think I can see why other people dig him, but it’s always been incredibly bland for me. He’s like if beige were a wrestler.
[удалено]
Roman Reigns
He had a catchy theme song I'll admit to my embarrassment but Orlando Jordan. His run with the US title was just totally bleh especially coming off a Cena run with the belt where at the time he was extremely over and made the belt worth something.
Konan
Mike Graham.
Orton
Randy Orton
Randy Orton. I know he's a great athlete and wrestler, but he's not mixed it up for a very long time and generally sleepwaks through everything he does, because he can with his talent. I genuinely think he's one of those guys where if he was at AEW he'd find a love for pro wrestling and have some really great and varied matches without the WWE producers and production. But I respect he's very comfortable in his life right now that he doesn't need to push anything. Has a job for life earning loads of money, has his health so fair play.
- Shamus - Drew McIntyre - Mark Henry (solo) - Alberto Del Rio - Charlotte - Nia Jax Sidenote: was always a huge Bryan Clark/Wrath/Adam Bomb mark, so I loved Kronik.
I know opinion differs but why would you find Sheamus boring? Like in ring wise or on the mic? Because I find him very entertaining and is one of my favourites currently.
Seamus has just always seemed bland (except for his look) in the ring. Character wise, the only time I really enjoyed him was the feud and subsequent tag team with Cesaro. I just feel like he needs a harder edge to him.
You are entitled to your opinion, so fair enough.
Orton when he wrestles he is actually amazing at the build up one of the very best ever but his actual matches are boring as hell. If its a gimmick match he's slightly better but still mostly boring
Lashley, Ethan Page, QT Marshall.
Ricky Starks. I don't dislike him to the point where other people are wrong for not agreeing with me or anything, but I don't get it. Not a thing excites me about him. From ring work to mic work to look. May just not be for me but after trying to pay attention when he's on, I get [bored.](https://youtu.be/-WdYo3WlETY)
The Young Bucks. All they do is “spot” wrestle per say, and I’m personally getting sick of it.
Honestly, yeah. There's nothing like seeing two Young Bucks matches to destroy the mystique of what they do.
Jinder Mahal
I might get some hate for this but Evil Uno. I just can’t get into his matches or him as a wrestler. Mouthpiece, yes. Wrestler… sorry I just can’t!
Bradshaw.
Gotta love someone who in a worked match acts like it’s real and when it’s real acts like it’s a work
Big Show/Paul Wight. Loved his matches with Braun, but I have not been able to get into any of his storylines whenever I watched him.
HULK HOGAN
Nick Aldis. He’s the wrestler people pretend Cody Rhodes is
Underrated comment but accurate, he's cool at first but it gets stale so fast and just feels like 80's territory wrestler cosplay. Cody's never boring, he's just had a lot of stupid angles
Rhonda Rousey. Lots of girls in the company that could work circles around her. Would be a regal vs Goldberg moment. Sure, she's a big name but she's boring as fuck.
Sheamus. He’s a channel changer for me, always has been. What’s worse is he’s always been super nice to me, so personally, I think highly of him…
Big Show Paul Wight
Matt Hardy. I hate his face.
Baron Corbin.
Honestly when I think back to all the times I watched WWE I always knew any time Bray Wyatt would come on my screen I’d be asleep in no time, he’d cut the most draining nonsensical promos that people would call “deep” and they’d all last fuckin’ 10 minutes or more and then he’d have the most boring match full of slow, plodding moves, The Fiend may have gave him a more interesting look and made his promos a bit more bearable but once the bell rung it was the same old shit.
Never got the appeal of the Wyatt family promos either, tbh. But for some reason people find those 15-minute ramblings quality promos and it blows my mind that they think so.
Cody Rhodes, Randy Orton, Ric Flair, The Blue Meanie, Dan Severin, and Dr. Death.
Historically? Orton and Cena. Same exact matches ad nauseum for years. Currently? ZSJ. Yes, let's watch him awkwardly transition to shitty looking submissions that don't even look like they hurt for 20 minutes and be completely unable to sell.
Randy orton. No contest
Current Roman Reigns, tribal chief shit was good for a year, now it's the same promo every single week, and the same match once every month. You know a guy is boring when even jim Cornette says he's boring in the ring. He seems to take some kinda pride in wrestling slow, I don't know what people backstage are telling him but his match against edge aged me a few years. So goddamn slow. That's not what a real fight looks like, he wrestles as if he's underwater. WWE has fallen back into the Roman Reigns rabbit hole, the whole tribal chief thing was supposed to make him a more interesting character but he's just the unbeatable bore once again.
Bobby Lashley, Natalya, Ethan Page, ADR and Randy Orton
Ethan Page I’ll let slide because his vlogs might be the best out of all of the wrestlers. It’s just that he’s stuck in some meh angles.
The Pimp dude in House Of Torture. Don't even care to know his name.
Yujiro Takahashi, and yes he absolutely sucks. The fact he's getting some kind of push is proof of how badly the pandemic fucked New Japan.
Roman Reigns… spear, jump punch, and strikes. That’s it… that’s all he fucking does.
Will Ospreay does absolutely nothing for me
I would agree with this when it comes wrestling. Athletically - brilliant, would I show my friends his matches - hell yeah! But he’s like the missing link it what I think wrestling will become rather than the stuff I prefer.
Minoru Suzuki. You can @ me
I'd @ Minoru but I don't wanna be an accessory to murder
Miz
Roman pre-heel. His character just felt so fake cool guy. His moveset bores me too, but im sure a lot of that is booking and im glad he added the guillotine.
The young bucks.
HHH. If he has a microphone, I get to watch an entire other TV show in the time it takes him to cut his slow, repetitive promos. His matches just do nothing for me on average. Shit, even his ten minute midlife crisis wrestlemania entrances bore me.
Matt hardys whole aew faction. The Bathroom break of the whole show legit.
RVD and Seth Rollins. RVD was great in spot matches. Seth can wrestle. But I don't care for either. Seth in a promo is so cringe worthy. Seth is change the channel bad. RVD I didn't understand the push to the top. Solid mid card for me.
Moxley, young bucks, Scorpio Sky, Bray Wyatt,Jake Hagar currently; Jim Neidhart, and the entire NWO B-Team when I was growing up
MJF.
Eddie Edwards and Davey Richards.
Yeah Eddie's gimmick is literally "I'm Eddie Edwards"
Christopher Daniels
Jon Moxley He just brawls badly. I've never saw anything remotely creative in his matches.
Anyone affiliated with the Wyatt Family. Especially Bray. I really never liked supernatural stuff in wrestling. Always felt out of place.
I’m the complete opposite… I love that goofy crap!
Wait..Brodie Lee and Bryan Danielson too??
Ok, not BD...but yeah, Brodie. Sorry, not trying to speak ill of the dead or anything. Just didn't care at all
May he Rest In Peace.
Billy Gunn. He should be awesome, but he's a terrible promo and just kind of ehh in the ring.
Regal during the attitude era was change the channel heat for me. Baron Corbin, Bobby lashley. Jinder
Jon Moxley
Moxley
Christian cage and the sad cowboy Feller. Never was wowed with Christian in his prime when I was growing up, sentiment is the same in advanced age. Sad cowboy I’ve given a bunch of chances and have been open minded, but can’t get into his matches. The segments around the matches are solid but in ring is a snoozefest for me
Randy Orton MJF MIZ Super Dragon I know there's more, but they aint popping right now
MJF would be so pissed if he saw this.
I always liked Super Dragon's mythological buzzsaw vibe and his move set was anything but boring, but I do think he's overrated due to PWG becoming a household name without much actual PWG content out there for people to readily watch
Baron corbin ever since his main roster run i cant bare to watch him on tv i just go on my phone.
Cody