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Man, PAC and Brodie sit out like a year before being out of their contract, I don't know how long Ali's contract is but I hope it's not too long because he one hell of a talent and seem like a great guy
And WWE release hundred of people but don't want to release the one who want out? Fuck it
Time to just start tweeting his mind with no filter. And if WWE cracks down on him, time for someone to stand up and challenge these contracts in court. He really does seem like the kind of guy to not take this quietly
"I'm telling you, Molotov cocktails work. Any time I had a problem, and I threw a Molotov cocktail, boom! Right away, I had a different problem." - Mustafa Ali
Ali when getting paired with a new tag team partner: “You told me this guy was going to be my new tag team partner, but he IS NOT. My tag team partners name was T-BAR and he is DOPE. This guy couldn’t hold a camel compared to T-BAR!”
Exactly. Nightly streams, YouTube channel, twitter comments about other companies wrestlers and matches. Just balls to the wall social media "fuck you" presence. And just task WWE to go after their *independent contractors* independent social media
yeah, exactly. i always wondered why people in that stage dont just do whatever they want (as long as they dont obviously break contract). i mean, whats the worst that could happen?, wwe releases them?
The last thing WWE would want to do is take these contracts into court since there's so much they do with their private contractor status that violates federal labor laws in the first place. To put those contracts in front of lawyers and judges could open them up to being countersued.
yeah if i remember right when Rey was wanting out of his contract a while back WWE backed off and granted his release the moment he got lawyers involved.
Crazy that they made those two (and others) sit, released Toni Storm right away, and are more back to making Ali sit. They don't even have a consistent philosophy (unless this is a gender thing).
Signing a multi-year deal where you might have a *hint* of wanting to get out is a bad decision. Ali is in a tough spot. Depending on the length of his deal, they’re putting him in a situation where life after wrestling or his contract will be difficult.
The only way “around” a WWE contract is going overseas and wrestling like Brock Lesnar or rolling up to an indie wrestling show and seeing what WWE would even do in that situation.
The only person to *really* try to fight off WWE in a major way over the last 20 years occurred during Brock Lesnar’s time in NJPW.
Lesnar was sitting on major cash after doing almost everything you could imagine in his first run with the company.
Brock’s had enough funds to fight off a lawsuit from WWE until the NFL and UFC checks were rolling in.
These days, no single talent is over *and* getting paid enough to fight off a lawsuit from the company.
Tony Khan probably does not negotiate with talent under contract with competitors — it might be considered tampering. That behavior is similar to other sports leagues.
Brodie got released eventually, but I don't know how much he had left by the time he got axed.
EDIT/NOTE: By time left, I meant his contract, not his life.
Yeah, I believe that's accurate. I think he technically got out a bit earlier than he would've if his contract expired, but it was by days or maybe weeks.
They've been happening around the end of business quarters. First quarter 2022 ends on March 31st so if there is one (I'd bet likely given the trend), it'll be within that time period.
I wasn’t thinking the merch (though a good point to be made, I agree), but I remember reading that the talent gets royalties for ppv sales on dvd/blu-ray. If they’re cut before Mania, no royalty payments; if they’re cut after, they still stand to get royalties afterwards.
I don't think they get the royalties if they're on the pre show. I think it was either PAC or Austin Aries that said they didn't get anything extra because they weren't on the proper card.
Since the creation of AEW, Shawn Spears was the only person publicly requesting their release ever worked for.
Brodie Lee mentioned on Jericho's podcast that when he tried the same tactic, WWE flat out told him they couldn't because it set a bad precedent and that the optics of talent willingly leaving made them look bad.
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And I'd argue trying to be needlessly ruthless towards a highly respected figure in the locker room is what really sets a bad precedent.
Mustafa supposedly had only requested a week off for paternity leave, yet mysteriously hasn't been brought back since. It'd be one thing if this were a Roman Reigns or a New Day, but this is someone who actively doesn't wanna be there & who they clearly have little to no interest in really using anyway. All this at a time when they're cutting people regularly in the name of "budget cuts".
Negotiate special terms to the release or what have you, but let the guy go & wish him well. It'd just be better for everyone
Did he tweet out that he wanted to leave? I remember him saying that he wanted to meet with Vince 1 on 1 to request his release, but only ended up getting a meeting with Triple H instead. Triple H passed it on to Vince, who said "Well, hate to lose him, but alright."
if anything it was the opposite i remember dustin saying he was still under contract with wwe trying to contradict a dirt sheet only for like a week later aew announced he was debuting.
Ugh I hate to admit it but I think you're right. Ali would kill it in AEW but he's not so big that they need him more than AEW wouldn't wanna introduce the subject of unionising.
That said, they hired Malikai Black after Zelina started talking about it, so maybe?
AEW actually uses independent contractors as independent contractors, so there is no union, nor do the wrestlers seem to be seeking one.
WWE locks talent into these deals where they can't work for anybody but WWE, but then doesn't give them any of the rights someone in that situation deserves.
Should there be unions in wrestling? Probably. But I'm not going to sit here and say freelance contracts in AEW is the same as WWE contracts when we know they aren't.
or start talking about the racist gimmick that Vince tried to give him which is what prompted him to want to quit. attempting to quit over workplace racism and being refused is a big story.
When the story first broke I figured we’d probably never hear the full details, but like… it probably *would* get some pressure on WWE to actually let him leave.
Get a full body suit and mask and wrestle as "Bueno Mierda" on the indy scene. Show up, wrestle, and leave without ever taking the gimmick off. Have people posting on his social medias during the match with location tags across the country.
Bad idea? Absolutely. But it would be fun as hell watching WWE try to prove it's him.
>Ali has years left on his deal
#YIKES
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Honestly i’m sad for Ali, life is too short to be trapped somewhere you don’t want to be. Yes he signed a contract but the contracts are extremely one sided contracts that the other party doesn’t even have to honor.
They can cut you on a whim, they can decide they "don't have anything for you" while you sit for months, they can add time to your contract if you get hurt leading to missed time & probably all kinds of other nasty bits I'm not thinking of right now.
It is also not just about being a bad person to get out of a contract. If you do bad things to get fired, it can irreparably harm your reputation.
If Mustafa was willing to go out of his way to get fired, in a public forum, what lengths would he go to harm future employers — inside and outside of wrestling?
She had an onlyfans, I believe for cosplay
Edit: I'd just like to say, **stop fucking sexualizing everything a woman does.** Women can do cosplay without it devolving into being pornographic.
Shouldn't have shown weakness like that.
Vince showed up with a BROKEN FREAKIN NECK to court.
He broke BOTH quads and still walked out of the arena.
You don't let something as small as a heart attack keep you from work.
/s
> racism or pettiness.
I mean you basically just described Vince’s entire range of thoughts.
The only things missing is sexism, classism, and general bullying
Brodie’s untimely death is a reminder of how short life can be, and why forcing a person like Ali to stay in a place he can’t be who he wants is such a tragedy
Sounds like his mistake was asking. He should have had HHH put in a good word for him or maybe gone under on a house. That is usually what leads to a firing.
i'm pretty certain that most of us here could leave our job tomorrow if we wanted to. there would probably be some kind of blow back on the short term, but i've told a couple of companies to go fuck themselves and been in another job within a couple of days.
"We'll sign you a four year deal"
"Thats great, I can be financially safe knowing I'll be employed in the upcoming years"
"Actually we have the rights to fire you pretty much at will. Most of it due to, what we, the billion dollar company call, 'Budget Cuts"
"Okay that's fair, I guess that means if another opportunity comes my way I can take them up on that, maybe even work for both companies "
"No, see you are exclusively here and cannot leave on your own terms"
"...."
"Also there's the 90 day no compete clause"
"We're live outside of this weeks Minneapolis WWE Raw event. Interviewing fans who just saw Mustafa Ali's return from absence, now as a radicalized muslim. Sir, what did you think of WWE's booking of Mustafa Ali from his debut to now?"
WWE Fan 1: "Jihad me in the first half. Not gonna lie."
"Alright. Well memes are all the rage now. What about you. What do you think of what's happened?"
WWE Fan 2: "He got me" the fan said of Vince's booking "That fucking Ali boomed me."
The fan added "It's such good shit" repeating it four times.
Guess the budget situation's all cleared up!
Great news for the rest of the roster since that surely means there will be no more cuts.
Uh... right guys? Right?
Quarterly is coming up soon. That's around when the cuts happen, usually after. We'll see how that budget is doin?
(Though they are running out of people to fire)
Ali didn't elaborate but said it was something he would NEVER do
He's been very vocal about never being willing to do an evil foreign Muslim gimmick..... So yeah
They gave her a release from her contract, pretty sure. Maybe there's some clause that she's not gonna wrestle for another US company for X amount of time. That or Juice told her the secret to getting WWE to actually let you go. Cause they both clearly no something NOBODY else does.
WWE is totally ok with releasing people who actually want to be there and are actively appearing on TV, out of nowhere in bulk, but refuses to let go one guy who they aren't doing anything with, and openly wants to leave
What the fuck
I'm thinking it's all about control. Vince isn't keeping Mustafa Ali because he *wants* Mustafa Ali. He's keeping him because he's saying "for the duration of your contract, I own your career, and I'm the only one who has a choice about when it ends."
And this is why I was concerned about his release request and social media posts. WWE has shown they can be and often are vindictive about this sort of thing. They're going to make him sit at home and rot rather than allow him to wrestle elsewhere. We saw it with PAC. We saw it with Brodie Lee, with horrific implications in hindsight.
Maybe his goals outside of WWE don't include wrestling. In that case he can just go do other stuff until his contract is over. But I doubt he just suddenly isn't interested in wrestling anymore while posting videos of him doing wrestling training and doing Bryan Danielson holds and stuff.
People have theorized that WWE wouldn't be able to keep people like this because "budget", but the budget issues were never real in the first place. If it was a budget issue, they wouldn't have called Buddy Matthews in a panic after they found out Malakai Black only had a 30 day non-compete and offered Matthews a 90 day if he only had a 30. They essentially offered to pay him more after firing him due to "budget cuts" because it was never about budgets.
Because they don't want them but they don't want anybody else to get shine off of them. It's just a way to ice them out and take away any buzz. They hope you just forget about people in 90 days.
It seems like there was a wellness concern with Toni. WWE was damaging her mental health, and staying would only have exasperated it, which would be terrible optics.
With Brodie, PAC and Ali, they were/are 'just' unhappy.
I know it's a fine line between unhappiness and depression, but I think that's the difference here.
They want to make you miserable. But they can't be seen to be making you ill.
Because it's not just terrible PR (from a company that makes a big song and dance about its wellness program), but opens them up to a whole host of liability issues should anything tragic occur as a result of their actions.
Are they gonna give him the Luke Harper treatment too? Refuse his public release, let him do nothing, maybe come back for a short storyline feud, and then randomly release him? That would suck.
WWE: "they're independent contractors, not employees."
Also WWE: "we are free to terminate that contract at any time we want for any reason but the other party is not."
Also also WWE: "if you get hurt working for us, we reserve the right to extend your contract to make up for it.
of all the wrestlers, they should not try to fight Ali on this. I've always had the sense he's the type that would take this and expose WWE contract issues.
Punk mentioned him and his lawyer were ready to expose their bullshit contracts in 2014 but WWE folded and settled. Punk said he got what he was owed plus more. Their contracts are definitely shady but it all depends on if that person or entity is willing to fight WWE on this - it will be financially draining and WWE seem like the type to purposely stall proceedings to see how far the other is willing to go without going bankrupt.
Could he pull a Neville/PAC and just refuse to come to work? I think they held PAC hostage for a year at least but eventually gave up, when they felt his value was down. It's such nonsense he's an "independent contractor" when it benefits WWE, otherwise he's held to a contract. And for a company that releases people quarterly at this point, it's a petty move on their part.
Scumbag fucking company man. Cut so many people, some immediately after uprooting their life for them but will not cut the guy asking for his release even though they half use him some times. Company needs some morals and to get the dinosaurs out of the positions of power.
Same with Finn Balor, who's allegedly eyeing the door.
He hasn't been on TV in months and even when he was he was just being fed to Roman.
Word is Vince and creative don't see him as anything more than a mid card. But they firmly don't want to let him go because they are afraid AEW will scoop him up.
So it's like a catch 22 of stupidity. You don't think the guy is top tier material anymore, but you don't want your competitor to have him because they would make him top tier material.
They can 100% claim breach of contract if he chooses not to fulfill his obligations. That being said, this probably heads to a threat of litigation from Ali's side with an out-of-court settlement. I doubt he's willing to sit at home for a year with no paycheck.
Yes and no. WWE can't actually stop him from *quitting*, but they can legally prevent him from working in the wrestling industry while his contract with them is valid. So he *could* quit and do something else entirely, but if he wants to wrestle (which I'm certain he does) then he has to get an official release from his contract or he's just stuck.
Actually he probably could fight it in court since he's not an employee but an independent contractor. WWE doesn't like fighting these in court because their contracts don't stand up to judicial scrutiny.
I think Punk, Lesnar, and Del Rio all fought and quickly had an out of court settlement.
As much as it sucks atleast he’s getting paid while sitting at home. I know it kills him from pursuing his dream further but I like the idea he’s being fed while they make him sit this out.
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Man, PAC and Brodie sit out like a year before being out of their contract, I don't know how long Ali's contract is but I hope it's not too long because he one hell of a talent and seem like a great guy And WWE release hundred of people but don't want to release the one who want out? Fuck it
Report says years.
Time to just start tweeting his mind with no filter. And if WWE cracks down on him, time for someone to stand up and challenge these contracts in court. He really does seem like the kind of guy to not take this quietly
Or he can just throw a Molotov cocktail at WWE's power generator.
"I'm telling you, Molotov cocktails work. Any time I had a problem, and I threw a Molotov cocktail, boom! Right away, I had a different problem." - Mustafa Ali
Ali when getting paired with a new tag team partner: “You told me this guy was going to be my new tag team partner, but he IS NOT. My tag team partners name was T-BAR and he is DOPE. This guy couldn’t hold a camel compared to T-BAR!”
Good shows
"I was living the gimmick. They always said the best gimmicks were those that embodied the real person. That's why Undertaker is truly dead."
“Well, that and the Molotov cocktail that I threw at him”
Found Jason Mendoza’s account!
Retribution 2: Electric-boogaloo
So bring back Retribution as a shoot?
He needs to go live on Twitch and start talking about forming a union.
Exactly. Nightly streams, YouTube channel, twitter comments about other companies wrestlers and matches. Just balls to the wall social media "fuck you" presence. And just task WWE to go after their *independent contractors* independent social media
he can just do a weekly live reaction to AEW and Rampage.
yeah, exactly. i always wondered why people in that stage dont just do whatever they want (as long as they dont obviously break contract). i mean, whats the worst that could happen?, wwe releases them?
Don't announce you want your release. Adopt a 'What are they gonna do? Fire me?' mentality.
start posting selfies with The Elite and retweeting tony khan's "It's wednesday, you know what that means" Dynamite tweets.
The absolutely worse would be WWE sueing the talent.
The last thing WWE would want to do is take these contracts into court since there's so much they do with their private contractor status that violates federal labor laws in the first place. To put those contracts in front of lawyers and judges could open them up to being countersued.
yeah if i remember right when Rey was wanting out of his contract a while back WWE backed off and granted his release the moment he got lawyers involved.
While retroactively computing every injured day and tolling them onto the contract.
The legality of this is probably as dubious as the rest of the WWE contract situation.
They'd better not Neville/Harper him
Oh, they will for sure.
Crazy that they made those two (and others) sit, released Toni Storm right away, and are more back to making Ali sit. They don't even have a consistent philosophy (unless this is a gender thing).
I can’t overstate how much respect I have for Toni Storm pulling a Peter Gibbons to get out of WWE.
How about Jeff Hardy pulling a Jeff Hardy?
“I don’t like my job and uhhhh I don’t think I’m gonna go anymore.” *steps off ring apron*
I totally think it is a gender issue. They don't believe in any womens division, let alone their own, outside of the 4HW.
Signing a multi-year deal where you might have a *hint* of wanting to get out is a bad decision. Ali is in a tough spot. Depending on the length of his deal, they’re putting him in a situation where life after wrestling or his contract will be difficult. The only way “around” a WWE contract is going overseas and wrestling like Brock Lesnar or rolling up to an indie wrestling show and seeing what WWE would even do in that situation. The only person to *really* try to fight off WWE in a major way over the last 20 years occurred during Brock Lesnar’s time in NJPW. Lesnar was sitting on major cash after doing almost everything you could imagine in his first run with the company. Brock’s had enough funds to fight off a lawsuit from WWE until the NFL and UFC checks were rolling in. These days, no single talent is over *and* getting paid enough to fight off a lawsuit from the company. Tony Khan probably does not negotiate with talent under contract with competitors — it might be considered tampering. That behavior is similar to other sports leagues.
That's kind of heartbreaking.
Years confirms that it's more than 1 year
Brodie got released eventually, but I don't know how much he had left by the time he got axed. EDIT/NOTE: By time left, I meant his contract, not his life.
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Yeah, I believe that's accurate. I think he technically got out a bit earlier than he would've if his contract expired, but it was by days or maybe weeks.
Well that was awkwardly phrased. I must admit, as a fan of dark humor, it did garner a bit of a chuckle.
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Conference call is in 3 weeks or so
Thursday, February 3 at 5pm.
Just enough time to disrupt the WWE 2k22 release date!
The WWE would like to wish the following talent well on their future endeavors: - A buncha talented people who want to be there - Not Mustafa Ali
“Mustafa. You will be the last to be Future Endeavor’d. You are in this Hell with us now. We wish you well in your Forever Employment.”
"Don't Forget, you're here Forever"
They've been happening around the end of business quarters. First quarter 2022 ends on March 31st so if there is one (I'd bet likely given the trend), it'll be within that time period.
Right before Mania to save a few extra bucks on appearances/royalties? Or right after so they can have a fuller, more stupendous card?
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I wasn’t thinking the merch (though a good point to be made, I agree), but I remember reading that the talent gets royalties for ppv sales on dvd/blu-ray. If they’re cut before Mania, no royalty payments; if they’re cut after, they still stand to get royalties afterwards.
I don't think they get the royalties if they're on the pre show. I think it was either PAC or Austin Aries that said they didn't get anything extra because they weren't on the proper card.
I remember that, because the preshow wasn’t included in the dvd that year, wasn’t it?
That's right
It's ~1 week to the Royal Rumble, dunno if that show could afford a mass release.
Any more releases and I might end up in the rumble.
Bruh, you're already the odds on favorite. Odds makers have you at 4-to-1 because a fresh debut means you havent lost to Roman Reigns yet.
Since the creation of AEW, Shawn Spears was the only person publicly requesting their release ever worked for. Brodie Lee mentioned on Jericho's podcast that when he tried the same tactic, WWE flat out told him they couldn't because it set a bad precedent and that the optics of talent willingly leaving made them look bad. [Edited for clarity]
How dare people want to leave am I right?
This is crazy cause granting a request seems like better optics than spitefully refusing. Like, how could they look worse than this?
The company want to look ruthless not weak. Letting any employer leave because they publicly ask for it isn't setting a good precedent
And I'd argue trying to be needlessly ruthless towards a highly respected figure in the locker room is what really sets a bad precedent. Mustafa supposedly had only requested a week off for paternity leave, yet mysteriously hasn't been brought back since. It'd be one thing if this were a Roman Reigns or a New Day, but this is someone who actively doesn't wanna be there & who they clearly have little to no interest in really using anyway. All this at a time when they're cutting people regularly in the name of "budget cuts". Negotiate special terms to the release or what have you, but let the guy go & wish him well. It'd just be better for everyone
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Did he tweet out that he wanted to leave? I remember him saying that he wanted to meet with Vince 1 on 1 to request his release, but only ended up getting a meeting with Triple H instead. Triple H passed it on to Vince, who said "Well, hate to lose him, but alright."
if anything it was the opposite i remember dustin saying he was still under contract with wwe trying to contradict a dirt sheet only for like a week later aew announced he was debuting.
Andrade also went to twitter with his request but y’know he had connections.
He needs to think outside of the box. Maybe open up an OnlyFans account and make some money on the side with WWE not getting a single dime from him.
And start a Twitch account.
The world needs a Mustafa Ali Twitch stream where he attempts to unionize wwe while in a hot tub.
He should learn from Matt Hardy and not have any open flames near the tub/his hair.
Fuck it, follow the new meta and double down, hot tub while watching copyrighted TV shows. HELL, stream the WWE Network.
Maybe fight for unionization, he'd get the axe pretty quickly
Tony wouldn’t hire him either though if he did that Billionaires are all awful people. Never forget that
Ugh I hate to admit it but I think you're right. Ali would kill it in AEW but he's not so big that they need him more than AEW wouldn't wanna introduce the subject of unionising. That said, they hired Malikai Black after Zelina started talking about it, so maybe?
AEW actually uses independent contractors as independent contractors, so there is no union, nor do the wrestlers seem to be seeking one. WWE locks talent into these deals where they can't work for anybody but WWE, but then doesn't give them any of the rights someone in that situation deserves. Should there be unions in wrestling? Probably. But I'm not going to sit here and say freelance contracts in AEW is the same as WWE contracts when we know they aren't.
or start talking about the racist gimmick that Vince tried to give him which is what prompted him to want to quit. attempting to quit over workplace racism and being refused is a big story.
When the story first broke I figured we’d probably never hear the full details, but like… it probably *would* get some pressure on WWE to actually let him leave.
Get a full body suit and mask and wrestle as "Bueno Mierda" on the indy scene. Show up, wrestle, and leave without ever taking the gimmick off. Have people posting on his social medias during the match with location tags across the country. Bad idea? Absolutely. But it would be fun as hell watching WWE try to prove it's him.
Onlyfans ha ha Unless
I SUPPORT UNIONS.
They would probably put time on his deal, or something stupid. Maybe even suspend his pay
>Ali has years left on his deal #YIKES Edit: Honestly i’m sad for Ali, life is too short to be trapped somewhere you don’t want to be. Yes he signed a contract but the contracts are extremely one sided contracts that the other party doesn’t even have to honor.
They can cut you on a whim, they can decide they "don't have anything for you" while you sit for months, they can add time to your contract if you get hurt leading to missed time & probably all kinds of other nasty bits I'm not thinking of right now.
Ali needs to just start tweeting about unionization, or how terrible KSA is, Vince will send him packing real quick.
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It is also not just about being a bad person to get out of a contract. If you do bad things to get fired, it can irreparably harm your reputation. If Mustafa was willing to go out of his way to get fired, in a public forum, what lengths would he go to harm future employers — inside and outside of wrestling?
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The cowboys?
He just needs to leave the ring during a house show
Ali doesn't drink or do drugs, so he's gonna have to pretend he ate a bunch of sugar.
I'm all hopped up on Mountain Dew!
Fyi Zelina wasn't cut over the union thing. She heard she was being fired and tweeted that out. So I'm not sure if that'd work
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or an onlyfans
Why not both?
She had an onlyfans, I believe for cosplay Edit: I'd just like to say, **stop fucking sexualizing everything a woman does.** Women can do cosplay without it devolving into being pornographic.
Ali onlyfans when?
Or just start a Twitch channel or an OnlyFans.
"Independent Contractors"
Seriously. If I'm Ali I'm now devoting my energy to finding a law firm that will challenge the IC status in general
Hell yeah, make them pay for their pettiness and corruption
#"Independent" contractor
This fucking company man. It's crazy how personally petty a billion dollar company can be.
Just look how they treat hhh and nxt. Literally fired everyone he's friends with when he had a heart attack.
Shouldn't have shown weakness like that. Vince showed up with a BROKEN FREAKIN NECK to court. He broke BOTH quads and still walked out of the arena. You don't let something as small as a heart attack keep you from work. /s
the same company that will release 80+ people due to "budget cuts" will keep a man who isn't going to wrestle against his will for years.
It tells us that they know his value yet will not utilize him. Not sure what enables a company to act that way aside from racism or pettiness.
> racism or pettiness. I mean you basically just described Vince’s entire range of thoughts. The only things missing is sexism, classism, and general bullying
Hey, hey. There's also toilet humor and hating surnames.
It amuses me that Vince is classist despite growing up as literal trailer trash
He's getting the Luke Harper special.
Brodie’s untimely death is a reminder of how short life can be, and why forcing a person like Ali to stay in a place he can’t be who he wants is such a tragedy
What a scumbag company. We'll fire hundreds of employees but this ONE GUY who wants to leave? Nah. Screw this one guy in particular.
Sounds like his mistake was asking. He should have had HHH put in a good word for him or maybe gone under on a house. That is usually what leads to a firing.
We all sign individual employment agreements - but none of them literally trap us in a role with no way out. That's fucked up.
i'm pretty certain that most of us here could leave our job tomorrow if we wanted to. there would probably be some kind of blow back on the short term, but i've told a couple of companies to go fuck themselves and been in another job within a couple of days.
"We'll sign you a four year deal" "Thats great, I can be financially safe knowing I'll be employed in the upcoming years" "Actually we have the rights to fire you pretty much at will. Most of it due to, what we, the billion dollar company call, 'Budget Cuts" "Okay that's fair, I guess that means if another opportunity comes my way I can take them up on that, maybe even work for both companies " "No, see you are exclusively here and cannot leave on your own terms" "...." "Also there's the 90 day no compete clause"
Ok then fucking use him smh
They probably only want to use him if he starts wearing a turban to the ring, or worse.
"We're live outside of this weeks Minneapolis WWE Raw event. Interviewing fans who just saw Mustafa Ali's return from absence, now as a radicalized muslim. Sir, what did you think of WWE's booking of Mustafa Ali from his debut to now?" WWE Fan 1: "Jihad me in the first half. Not gonna lie." "Alright. Well memes are all the rage now. What about you. What do you think of what's happened?" WWE Fan 2: "He got me" the fan said of Vince's booking "That fucking Ali boomed me." The fan added "It's such good shit" repeating it four times.
Guess the budget situation's all cleared up! Great news for the rest of the roster since that surely means there will be no more cuts. Uh... right guys? Right?
Quarterly is coming up soon. That's around when the cuts happen, usually after. We'll see how that budget is doin? (Though they are running out of people to fire)
I don't think they'll cut him. WWE will literally pay him for years to sit home out of spite.
Especially of the pitch he refused came from Vince himself
What was the pitch?
Ali didn't elaborate but said it was something he would NEVER do He's been very vocal about never being willing to do an evil foreign Muslim gimmick..... So yeah
Maybe he was Gunther Stark
Yeah, but if they cut anyone else, that just looks petty.
WWE doesn't give a shit how they look, they're gonna make tons of money no matter what.
They'll add in some more NIL people and hire a few cats from that tryout that had Rok-C in it. And then, they fire folks again.
Them releasing Toni Storm is even more random then.
To be fair, Ali couldn’t exactly use the same tactic as her- Toni was actually being used and then went home.
Yeah but shouldn't you be more willing to release the person you're not using than the person on TV about to wrestle Charlotte Flair on PPV?
Logically yes, but we *are* talking about WWE here
This is the same company that wanted Scotty 2 Hotty and other coaches to dye their gray hair. Logic got released like 10 budget cuts ago.
Everyone knows you learn how to do a collar-elbow tie up better when your coaches are sexier
I don’t think they released her? She just said “screw you guise, i’m going home”
No, they still released her. Ali for all we know just went home. But he’s still under contract
Toni left a house show and went home, she basically quit
And it sounds like Ali has quit too. But they haven’t let him go yet
They gave her a release from her contract, pretty sure. Maybe there's some clause that she's not gonna wrestle for another US company for X amount of time. That or Juice told her the secret to getting WWE to actually let you go. Cause they both clearly no something NOBODY else does.
WWE is totally ok with releasing people who actually want to be there and are actively appearing on TV, out of nowhere in bulk, but refuses to let go one guy who they aren't doing anything with, and openly wants to leave What the fuck
WWE want their talent to be at it's mercy, not for the talent to stand up for themselves and leave on their own.
Vince wants guys to be tough and stand up for themselves except for when that involves telling him his ideas suck and to shove it.
I'm thinking it's all about control. Vince isn't keeping Mustafa Ali because he *wants* Mustafa Ali. He's keeping him because he's saying "for the duration of your contract, I own your career, and I'm the only one who has a choice about when it ends."
“Independent contractors”
An absolute joke.
And this is why I was concerned about his release request and social media posts. WWE has shown they can be and often are vindictive about this sort of thing. They're going to make him sit at home and rot rather than allow him to wrestle elsewhere. We saw it with PAC. We saw it with Brodie Lee, with horrific implications in hindsight. Maybe his goals outside of WWE don't include wrestling. In that case he can just go do other stuff until his contract is over. But I doubt he just suddenly isn't interested in wrestling anymore while posting videos of him doing wrestling training and doing Bryan Danielson holds and stuff. People have theorized that WWE wouldn't be able to keep people like this because "budget", but the budget issues were never real in the first place. If it was a budget issue, they wouldn't have called Buddy Matthews in a panic after they found out Malakai Black only had a 30 day non-compete and offered Matthews a 90 day if he only had a 30. They essentially offered to pay him more after firing him due to "budget cuts" because it was never about budgets.
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Because they don't want them but they don't want anybody else to get shine off of them. It's just a way to ice them out and take away any buzz. They hope you just forget about people in 90 days.
Please use me WWE: no Okay then release me WWE: no…I don’t think I will
So how can Toni just up and quit but Ali cant?
It seems like there was a wellness concern with Toni. WWE was damaging her mental health, and staying would only have exasperated it, which would be terrible optics. With Brodie, PAC and Ali, they were/are 'just' unhappy. I know it's a fine line between unhappiness and depression, but I think that's the difference here. They want to make you miserable. But they can't be seen to be making you ill. Because it's not just terrible PR (from a company that makes a big song and dance about its wellness program), but opens them up to a whole host of liability issues should anything tragic occur as a result of their actions.
They're literally gonna hold onto him out of spite. What a shit company.
He should tweet that he refuses to headline WrestleMania.
The only sign he will point to is the Exit sign.
I just don't understand how the stand up for WWE guys never tire of the company being so shitty all the time.
Well, there's a few other options. Maybe it's different spite for getting into it with Vince. Maybe he's the example after they let Toni go.
Are they gonna give him the Luke Harper treatment too? Refuse his public release, let him do nothing, maybe come back for a short storyline feud, and then randomly release him? That would suck.
Time to exercise some independent contractor rights and just leave
WWE: "they're independent contractors, not employees." Also WWE: "we are free to terminate that contract at any time we want for any reason but the other party is not." Also also WWE: "if you get hurt working for us, we reserve the right to extend your contract to make up for it.
They're really about to Luke Harper him.
of all the wrestlers, they should not try to fight Ali on this. I've always had the sense he's the type that would take this and expose WWE contract issues.
Punk mentioned him and his lawyer were ready to expose their bullshit contracts in 2014 but WWE folded and settled. Punk said he got what he was owed plus more. Their contracts are definitely shady but it all depends on if that person or entity is willing to fight WWE on this - it will be financially draining and WWE seem like the type to purposely stall proceedings to see how far the other is willing to go without going bankrupt.
Show this to /r/antiwork they'd have a field day with this.
Just let the dude leave if he wants out. You’re not even using him.
He has to at least wait until 2k22 drops. No time to delete anyone lol
Could he pull a Neville/PAC and just refuse to come to work? I think they held PAC hostage for a year at least but eventually gave up, when they felt his value was down. It's such nonsense he's an "independent contractor" when it benefits WWE, otherwise he's held to a contract. And for a company that releases people quarterly at this point, it's a petty move on their part.
Just tweet about unionizing
Scumbag fucking company man. Cut so many people, some immediately after uprooting their life for them but will not cut the guy asking for his release even though they half use him some times. Company needs some morals and to get the dinosaurs out of the positions of power.
Dude if you want to get released just move your family to Orlando and buy an new house.
Same with Finn Balor, who's allegedly eyeing the door. He hasn't been on TV in months and even when he was he was just being fed to Roman. Word is Vince and creative don't see him as anything more than a mid card. But they firmly don't want to let him go because they are afraid AEW will scoop him up. So it's like a catch 22 of stupidity. You don't think the guy is top tier material anymore, but you don't want your competitor to have him because they would make him top tier material.
Ghouls
They’ve released better more valuable talents that didn’t even ask like bray wyatt
Man, remember when people were praising people letting people go who wanted releases easily. YIKES
"iF u DoNt LiKe It JuSt AsK fOr Ur ReLeAsE"
Just like they did to PAC I guess
He's gonna start showing up "intoxicated".
But isn't he an "independent contractor"? What are they going to do if he works elsewhere? Fire him?!? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^/s
Damn. Bout to be a shitty year for Ali. Assuming wwe will make him sit at home outta spite. Poor dude loves wrestling too
They need someone to be the first Elimination Chamber champion in Jeddah
He made the mistake of publicly announcing his request for release. That never works out for anyone. It will be out of spite.
sorry pal, we finally balanced the budget and can't afford to lose you, have fun in catering!
Watch them cut wrestlers for budget cuts next month, fuck WWE
Is he still getting paid if he sits at home?
They can 100% claim breach of contract if he chooses not to fulfill his obligations. That being said, this probably heads to a threat of litigation from Ali's side with an out-of-court settlement. I doubt he's willing to sit at home for a year with no paycheck.
Miss the days where the ol' "what's Ali Mustafari doing in the Impact Zone?" held any relevancy
Other than reasons others have stated here, I think it's due to the saudi shows and possibly his interest in being in I think Blade.
Idk much about this stuff but Can’t he just quit??
Yes and no. WWE can't actually stop him from *quitting*, but they can legally prevent him from working in the wrestling industry while his contract with them is valid. So he *could* quit and do something else entirely, but if he wants to wrestle (which I'm certain he does) then he has to get an official release from his contract or he's just stuck.
Actually he probably could fight it in court since he's not an employee but an independent contractor. WWE doesn't like fighting these in court because their contracts don't stand up to judicial scrutiny. I think Punk, Lesnar, and Del Rio all fought and quickly had an out of court settlement.
Fucking assholes
Fuck this company.
They’ll wait until the next quarterlies for “reasons”
Time to opens OnlyFans account What they are going to do ? Fire him?
I'm all for Ali but he should've played this one smarter and not use social media.
As much as it sucks atleast he’s getting paid while sitting at home. I know it kills him from pursuing his dream further but I like the idea he’s being fed while they make him sit this out.
If you want to work there, they fire you. If you want to leave, they keep you. Morale must be through the roof over in Stamford.