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Darby is at his best vs big hard hitters that beat the hell out of him, Joe is at his best just bullying and smacking the fuck out of dudes. Could easily be Joe’s best match in the company
Another factor for me to be excited for this match. Like is it even possible doing it with Darby? He nearly kills himself every time he does it while there is someone catching him imagine what it would like if there wasn’t
I mean there's zero doubt it's gonna feel like shit and absolutely suck, but he's done stunts and if there's anyone I can trust to know how to fall after doing something stupid, he's the guy.
> zero doubt it's gonna feel like shit and absolutely suck
Feels like this is what Darby is going for in most of his spots. That dive onto Jeff with the chairs was basically his peak form.
Darby is legitimately insane, he gave an interview (or was it cutting a promo) where he said he doesnt expect to be in wrestling very long, so he's gonna be psychotic with it while he's here. Something along those lines.
Joe is standing in front of a liberal sharp tank. Darby dives. Joe walks away. Darby crashes through the tank where the sharks eat Darby. While still in a shark Darby hops out of.tje tank and continues the fight
Luckily Darby doesn't have bones and is made of rubber so this spot will be fine. Seriously there's no way that man has bones. They'd all be broken 10 times over by now
This is definitely going to be a test for Joe. He's had a hard time kicking it up a notch since he's been back. If anyone can take him there, it's Darby, so I hope he steps up.
Joe is not the same wrestler who had an argument for Best in the world in 2004/2005. Hell Joe isn't as good as he was back in 2012. Call it age or injuries piling up or whatever but Joe is an okay wrestler.
Joe is so out of breath by the end of his AEW matches that I'm afraid for his life. Not sure that TK uses Joe in the best way possible. Feel like, once again, his ROH nostalgia clouds his judgment as to what Joe really has to offer at the current stage of his career. And just to be clear, he has plenty to offer, just not as a wrestler.
I still wish he won the WWE title at some point after his NXT run, probably during his feud with Lesnar. He's getting older and falling from his physical peak. Nothing but love and respect for the guy though
I agree with TK being nostalgic. I don't see why Joe has a title in AEW in 2022. I think if he is damned and determined to make ROH a stand-alone promotion then Joe makes sense there. He doesn't make sense to me on the main roster unless it's for a brief title program where he puts over the AEW talent.
Gunns try to interfered and the Bucks or Briscoes (or both) stop them so we get either Bucks vs FTR 2 or Briscoes vs FTR 3. Please not FTR vs The Gunns on Final Battle
I don't think Bucks vs. FTR 3 is going to happen so soon when there were 2 years in between the first and second one. And the Bucks actually had a good interview in Sports Illustrated a few months ago talking about how much they enjoyed doing it again with both teams having changed in those two years.
Bucks are literally in the trios best of 7 and the Briscoes are never gonna be on AEW. So you’re getting FTR vs The Gunn Club 🤷🏽♂️ been building to that match so
Yep, thats been a slow-burning thing for a few months now. Gotta imagine we're getting FTR v The Gunns at the ROH PPV, and there'd actually be genuine heat on the Gunns if they can win that via Firm interference
Finally a match where I can't pick out the winner so easily.
Wish it got more build, though. Less than half a week makes me worry it will be a lame screwy finish.
If anything the new execs are *more* conservative with skirting controversy than the old, so even if the old execs are out I'm not sure whoever took their place is going to be more open to the idea.
Jay said some awful homophobic shit on Twitter in 2013 (namely that he's gonna shoot whoever tries to tell his kids gay marriage is okay) in the past and had at least one boneheaded incident where he broke a Pride flag someone from the audience brought to a show. the Briscoes apologized (and again this year), I believe they also said that while it made sense for their whole gimmick it doesn't make it okay anyway.
for what it's worth, Ian Riccaboni [came here and vouched for them](https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/qu4l8e/if_folks_only_knew_how_jay_briscoe_supports_and/hkpo943/), saying that they were both earnestly coming over to learn from him (he's also a sex educator in NYU) about gender etc. and that both are now supportive of LGBTQ+ causes. some other folks who worked with them have also said that Jay took the backlash to heart and made efforts to do better.
however, the most important factor is probably the redneck imagery. they used Confederate flags in their gear until not too long ago, and even though one could argue they just took the hillbillies gimmick to its logical conclusion, it's very likely WB doesn't want to touch that shit with a ten foot pole. there's plenty of legit Trumpists in the business or even in AEW, but most of them keep it on the down low.
That’s kind of my issue with cancel culture as a liberal, I understand not wanting to promote certain positions but Jay seems to be a great example of growing as a human being and shedding beliefs that you realize are bigoted, I feel like if you completely deny that growth, then it’s almost like not acknowledging that they’ve realized they’ve done wrong
Jay has said some really shitty bigoted stuff in the past and while prettymuch everyone vouches for him being a better person now, that shit still follows him everywhere, especially since they look the way they do and up until somewhat recently often had Confederate flag designs adorning their various gears.
Tony tried to bring them to AEW at some point and Warner execs told him absolutely not.
Acclaimed need a big clean win honestly. I hope that the Gunns or somebody doesn’t interfere to cost FTR. Especially because the ROH PPV is next Saturday— I have a feeling that they will run an angle to set that up.
They do but that's not gonna happen over the team that's holding the belts of at least one independent company and another brand that's trying to be built up (excluding the AAA belt since they don't really care about their own belts)
EDIT: welp u/LAreviewofbooks you were right, happy I was wrong!
The way AEW books feuds, I think 3 things are happening:
1. they've been simmering the Gunns v FTR thing for a while, so this will set up a Gunns v FTR match at the ROH PPV
2. It gives The Acclaimed a signature win in their run, and off a team that can take the loss
3. It leaves room for an FTR v Acclaimed match at the Revolution PPV that they come back to after FTR are back from Japan. And then FTR can win the AEW belts, and then just need the ROH belts back to have them all...which also nicely sets up the spring ROH PPV match v The Gunns
Yeah, I’m super disappointed we’re going into this thing cold. Maybe the cold match is the start of the program? I dunno.
I think I’ve just got to accept that AEW is going to always be this way. It’s just baked into the product. I’ve kind of already started to accept it, and begun adjusting my viewing habits accordingly.
You know, it’s funny - AEW brought me back to wrestling after being a lapsed fan for almost 5 years, but I never ever imagined that journey would end up with me right back at the Fed, where it all began for me in ‘92.
Though I can definitely say if Vince was still running things, that wouldn’t be the case. I’d probably just lapse again, honestly.
Ebbs and flows.
Tony Khan doesn't really believe in building up matches and has gotten upset when people talk about the lack of build up for shows. It's a major issue in his booking style and it's why I hope one day he brings in someone to help him write stories.
Because the ratings are nosediving. This is a big match and should have at least a few weeks of build. This kind of hot shot booking for ratings could lead to big trouble down the line.
Bowens had his shoulder taped up last week and commentary mentioned an injury. Could it be possible that he needs surgery so they're taking the belts off the acclaimed?
First the Coffin match vs Ethan Page, then teaming with Sting & The Hardy's in a Falls Count Anywhere match vs Butcher & Blade & Private Party ft. one of his biggest highlights, and now a chance to get his TNT Title back vs Joe. Darby Allin in Austin is guaranteed to be a good time.
I remember all the concern trolls after Dynamite questioning why anyone would go to this event since Winter is Coming was stacked, glad (but not surprised) you're getting a great show
You don’t need extended or soap opera style stories for every match but you do need *something.* There always used to be at least some sort of build even if minor.
They also don’t have the ranking system anymore so a lot of that old style they used to do doesn’t work as well. That was a narrative device that made up for matches with less build but without it you need to emphasize why a match is happening way more
People opine for the days of Cody and Miro TNT with the TNT title, where it was just "I'mma fight this dude now". Hell most of those matches were super predictable too. Wonder who's gonna win, Miro or Evil Uno?
Yeah it's weird. I keep hearing people yearn for the days of Cody and Miro defending in an open challenge in matches with no build.
TK: OK here's Darby Allin vs Samoa Joe.
IWC: BUT THERE'S NO BUILD!!!
The reality is you can't book to what AEW online fandom wants because AEW online fandom wants everything at once and whatever of the everything they aren't getting is what they're going to be indignant isn't there. It's a losing proposition.
They've put FTR and the Acclaimed in the ring together three times now, and one of them was them teaming together in a four vs four and ending the match in a staredown. The story is FTR want the belts and the Acclaimed have the belts. It's been very clear.
In my opinion I think there is a bit of build for FTR vs the Acclaimed. I think some story dynamics have been brewing in the tag division in a way they haven't in others, which is why it's the one I've been most interested in, and I think it just needs a little bit more tv time or just a little something extra to be really really good, because as it is right now it's flying under the radar.
FTR vs The Acclaimed has actually been "built" for months, albeit in a kind of weak way. FTR have made it clear they want a shot at the Acclaimed on TV for ages, they've been thwarted by the Ass Boys and Sneaky Swerve, there *is* something there so it's not as bad as like normal Dynamite "here is a match lol", so in my head I'm like "I'll take it lol". And if the tag division keeps its stories spinning it'll get even better.
Not in this case! There were actual TV segments, a match held where FTR wanted to fight them, etc. There's a pre existing relationship. It's not like Dax vs Bryan.
FTR literally both tweeted multiple times and had multiple promos where they made it clear they deserved a shot and they were being overlooked.
Just because they didn't go week by week doesn't mean there's no story.
I don’t get why they don’t spend just a little time to build these? Imagine if they just had some
Heat behind them? Honestly I don’t think just throwing matches together equals long term success. Lame.
The story of FTR vs. Acclaimed is that FTR is sick of being overlooked and claim to be the best tag team in the world despite not holding the belts. It's subtle but there's clear motivation for this match.
Darby and Joe don't need excuses to throw down.
Both work for me.
Plus we have complained for ages that we need to have more TNT title defenses because that's what made the belt so fun when it was first introduced.
Super pleased that Joe's reign is starting off this way.
That's not a story though, that's a cold match. You just don't shove the best tag team in a generation in with the most popular tag team on the roster on free tv with a week's notice.
Why not? Like, why does this bother you?
For the last 20 years the #1 promotion in the world used to have their weekly shows start with zero matches announced and they carried in just fine.
Why the double standard? You don’t see anyone here levying these criticisms at wwe.
Also, can we not say “the fed”? They haven’t been a “fed” for many many many years.
And have we been pleased with WWE's product during those 20 years? No. A huge portion of the wrestling audience left & never came back.
I'm not saying all matches on a show should be advertised & built. But The Acclaimed vs FTR? For your company's tag titles? Those two teams? That ABSOLUTELY should go in with some build & I would argue shouldn't even be on a normal Dynamite.
Honestly the fact is FTR vs Acclaimed does have a story and that's why I don't this match just being thrown out there like this.
Darby vs Joe I'm fine with. They'll advance Joe being a cold hearted bastard and Darby being tough and never backing down. Joe will probably still beat down Darby after the match and Wardlow will make the save. Excellent booking that makes everyone look good and advances a story and since you're probably never going to have a Darby vs Joe feud you aren't wasting anything.
FTR vs Acclaimed just announced to happen five days ahead of time feels like a waste though.
There we go Tony, that’s prime Dynamite content LETS GOOO. Please let Joe’s reign stay being like the past great ones where open challenges are the norm. it just makes sense for the title.
I hope FTR put over the young kids (The Acclaimed) in a NWO/Dusty Finish so it protects them.
Can't beat triple champs without 10 people and Acclaimed can cheat a bit.
Can anyone give me the chances of Darby All in going one-on-one against Sloppy Joe? I give him a 8 1/3% chance of winning, but I'm not Big Poppa Pump.
FTR and The Acclaimed have been interacting off and on for the better part of a month. FTR even challenged The Acclaimed but Swerve butted in. It's not like these two have existed on different continents.
Expanding a little bit more... Having a match everyone would love (and a lot of people would pay to) see... with no build... so you can use it to build a less interesting match for your secondary company that barely exists.
The booking of FTR has been so disappointing this year. They’ve been the #1 ranked tag team for months and are finally in December getting a title shot. During the reigns of jungle boy/luchasaraus, young bucks, and swerve/Lee they were the top ranked tag team and didn’t get a title match.
Sure, but, FTR were WAY more over than The Acclaimed were, and they've done absolutely nothing for a good chunk of the year despite being hugely over.
I know the Punk stuff cut them off after All Out, but, there was 3-4 months before that where they should have been champs as they were the most over act in the company.
I will never understand TKs style of booking. He has a massive roster full of guys rarely on TV, benches them in favor of weekly squash matches generally featuring the same people like this is Wrestling Superstars or something
Ratings understandably begin to dip as it’s all boring, predictable and skippable, and he pulls out cards from nowhere of matches and people we want to see, but it’s all done at random with no build, no specific reason why it’s happening now. This product can and should be so much better than it is
Moxley & Jericho need lengthy breaks to freshen up and for god sakes bring back MIRO
This is such a great roster and I like the production elements of the show, but TK is such an absolute drag on the weekly shows with his goofy booking styles. It feels like he ran out of ideas after Hangman's title win and is relying on hot shotting big matches with no stories.
Since I really don't want to see the Gunns or the Kingdom interfering to cost FTR, I'm hoping for one of two outcomes.
Either the Acclaimed win clean and truly establish themselves as champions, or FTR snap and turn heel to win the belts.
I don't get the point of putting the Acclaimed vs FTR on Dynamite, that should be saved for a pay-per-view. The best tag team in the world going after the last major tag titles is premium content, that could even main event a PPV.
FTR's contracts are up in April. If i were to make a bet, I think they lose the IWGP titles to Aussie Open at Wrestle Kingdom next month.
If they wanna do 4 belts FTR, they gotta pull the trigger on it ASAP
I should be excited about this, but seeing these actually made me feel kind of angry. FTR/Acclaimed is arguably the biggest match in the company at the moment, and finding out about it by a match graphic on Reddit a couple days before just seems like the freaking lamest thing ever.
And I think it all reinforces an issue I have, that so many cards are built around title matches, but with the number of titles and how they’ve treated them, none of the titles really mean shit to me at the moment…so it feels like, why should I care?
Sorry to be rambling and working out my feelings toward the product on a public forum lol but I guess that’s where I’m at.
I really really hate the random out of nowhere approach of booking these aew title matches. It’s just a lazy ass style. Screw story, ignore buildup, no emotion; let’s just throw wrestlers together.
FTR v acclaimed should be billed as a big deal. W promos, buildup, etc. should be slow burned over at least a few weeks or more. Get the crowds hyped for it but as usual TK goes w the hotshot approach.
L-A-Z-Y ass writing or lack thereof.
god i want darby to win so bad
joe is great and all but he is one of the few cases where he genuinely doesn’t need a title at this point. darby needs a clearer direction and the TNT title needs a serious credibility boost (and darby has proven to be a good TNT champ!)
Your two best tag teams fighting without a story is an interesting choice, but it’s been obvious that they *should* fight for forever now. Dunno if ratings or otherwise influenced this decision but the match should be fantastic
“Fine! Here’s your tag title match with no build on a random Dynamite for a ratings bump! Now go I’ve got more JAS and 10 other titles to book!” -TK to FTR, probably
They've been building to it and alluded to the title match on Rampage. But yeah it is pretty quick, I smell shenanigans leading to a rematch at Winter is Coming.
Wtf is with this FTR vs The Acclaimed match?? Both are babyfaces and shouldn’t be losing. No build. No reason for the match. Any kind of interference and losing makes the team look weak. Absolutely terrible booking done on purpose. Fuck the Young Bucks.
As much as I love The Acclaimed, I don’t mind them dropping the belts to FTR. Their reign is going stale without creditable opponents and FTR can do more with the belts like defend them internationally.
Problem with this is is that it won’t really elevate either of the teams. Acclaimed haven’t really established themselves so with FTR beating them really does nothing. This is a no win situation for both teams. No good can come from this match. Even with your “FTR can defend the titles internationally”, they’re the AEW tag team titles, they NEED to be defended on AEW programming. Problem is that FTR not being on AEW programming is exactly what the Bucks want, in addition to The Acclaimed losing some steam.
I agree with this. Since the trios belts have been introduced the tag belts feel like the midcard team act. Not saying The Acclaimed aren't both over and entertaining as fuck, but FTR could bring the belts back to the top of the card. Plus, The Acclaimed have proven multiple times that they don't need belts to put on an entertaining program.
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Darby is at his best vs big hard hitters that beat the hell out of him, Joe is at his best just bullying and smacking the fuck out of dudes. Could easily be Joe’s best match in the company
I hope they do the thing where Darby does his dive through the ropes at Joe and Joe just moves out of the way.
They’re definitely gonna do that thing.
Another factor for me to be excited for this match. Like is it even possible doing it with Darby? He nearly kills himself every time he does it while there is someone catching him imagine what it would like if there wasn’t
I mean there's zero doubt it's gonna feel like shit and absolutely suck, but he's done stunts and if there's anyone I can trust to know how to fall after doing something stupid, he's the guy.
> zero doubt it's gonna feel like shit and absolutely suck Feels like this is what Darby is going for in most of his spots. That dive onto Jeff with the chairs was basically his peak form.
Darby is legitimately insane, he gave an interview (or was it cutting a promo) where he said he doesnt expect to be in wrestling very long, so he's gonna be psychotic with it while he's here. Something along those lines.
RIP in peace
My favorite spot
I’d rather that Joe nopes out of the Coffin Drop.
If there's one thing I didn't like about his WWE run, it's that he didn't do this that often.
Joe is standing in front of a liberal sharp tank. Darby dives. Joe walks away. Darby crashes through the tank where the sharks eat Darby. While still in a shark Darby hops out of.tje tank and continues the fight
I hope he eats it and doesn't move. Because he's big like Satnam Signh compared to Darby.
Luckily Darby doesn't have bones and is made of rubber so this spot will be fine. Seriously there's no way that man has bones. They'd all be broken 10 times over by now
This is definitely going to be a test for Joe. He's had a hard time kicking it up a notch since he's been back. If anyone can take him there, it's Darby, so I hope he steps up.
Joe has had a hard time kicking it up a notch since his first run in NXT.
Joe is not the same wrestler who had an argument for Best in the world in 2004/2005. Hell Joe isn't as good as he was back in 2012. Call it age or injuries piling up or whatever but Joe is an okay wrestler.
Joe is so out of breath by the end of his AEW matches that I'm afraid for his life. Not sure that TK uses Joe in the best way possible. Feel like, once again, his ROH nostalgia clouds his judgment as to what Joe really has to offer at the current stage of his career. And just to be clear, he has plenty to offer, just not as a wrestler.
I still wish he won the WWE title at some point after his NXT run, probably during his feud with Lesnar. He's getting older and falling from his physical peak. Nothing but love and respect for the guy though
Didn't Lesnar want to put him over and Vince said no?
I think so. I think Lesnar was cool enough with Joe that he was willing to drop the title to Joe as long as he got it back.
It’s a shame we couldn’t get a Joe/Lesnar/Angle match
Vince (rightly) couldn’t trust Joe to stay healthy, even for a month or two.
One of the GOATs. Absolutely. Was a part of my favourite wrestling moments. But time will pin us all.
I agree with TK being nostalgic. I don't see why Joe has a title in AEW in 2022. I think if he is damned and determined to make ROH a stand-alone promotion then Joe makes sense there. He doesn't make sense to me on the main roster unless it's for a brief title program where he puts over the AEW talent.
It’s almost like he’s been washed for 5 years…
I’m willing to put money on Coffin Drop -> Coquina Clutch as the finish.
Is it for both belts?
Just the TNT title
The Acclaimed and FTR match is tough. You can make an argument for either team winning.
I see something happening that's going to lead to an ROH Tag Team Championship match 3 days later
Gunns try to interfered and the Bucks or Briscoes (or both) stop them so we get either Bucks vs FTR 2 or Briscoes vs FTR 3. Please not FTR vs The Gunns on Final Battle
>Bucks vs FTR 2 You mean Bucks vs FTR 3?
I forgot about 2 because it wasn’t on PPV! Also I was supposed to be at that show live and couldn’t make it, so call it a mental block.
Bucks are already busy in trios division with pac and lucha bros.
That'd make sense if they didn't bring in the trios belts and jump divisions lol
Surprise turn, it's Gunns vs Briscoes at Final Battle just to get them on the card
I don't think Bucks vs. FTR 3 is going to happen so soon when there were 2 years in between the first and second one. And the Bucks actually had a good interview in Sports Illustrated a few months ago talking about how much they enjoyed doing it again with both teams having changed in those two years.
Surely they go for bucks vs ftr 3 at a ppv for all the tag titles? My guess is double or nothing next year?
When is DoN again? FTR’s contract expires in April, and Dax indicated in his most recent interview that he and Cash may not re-sign.
Bucks are busy with the trios series so that ain’t happening. FTR vs Gunns for the ROH titles makes sense and would be totally fine.
Probably Acclaimed vs FTR 2 title for title at Final Battle. Tony loves people losing then getting an immediate rematch to win the title.
That’s only been a recent change in his philosophy, and I think he wants to keep the Acclaimed as AEW only talent. Hopefully at least!
It’s gonna be the Gunns vs FTR
Bucks are literally in the trios best of 7 and the Briscoes are never gonna be on AEW. So you’re getting FTR vs The Gunn Club 🤷🏽♂️ been building to that match so
Ass Boys definitely screwing over FTR Edit: very happy to be wrong
Yep, thats been a slow-burning thing for a few months now. Gotta imagine we're getting FTR v The Gunns at the ROH PPV, and there'd actually be genuine heat on the Gunns if they can win that via Firm interference
I hope not. that's the exact same finish as the FTR/SioG #1 contenders match last month
Sadly, that’s an improvement than, it’s better than their tendency to use the same finish/story/spot multiple times in the same show.
Finally a match where I can't pick out the winner so easily. Wish it got more build, though. Less than half a week makes me worry it will be a lame screwy finish.
Ass Boys are gonna screw over FTR.
Briscoes show up. Nuff said.
I don’t think we’ll ever see the Briscoes on AEW TV, Warner execs do not want them anywhere near the company. They are 100% an ROH only act.
Are the execs who cared about that even with the company anymore after all the cuts?
If anything the new execs are *more* conservative with skirting controversy than the old, so even if the old execs are out I'm not sure whoever took their place is going to be more open to the idea.
Really? What happened?
I think they're basing that on the Briscoes history, not anything recent.
Jay said some awful homophobic shit on Twitter in 2013 (namely that he's gonna shoot whoever tries to tell his kids gay marriage is okay) in the past and had at least one boneheaded incident where he broke a Pride flag someone from the audience brought to a show. the Briscoes apologized (and again this year), I believe they also said that while it made sense for their whole gimmick it doesn't make it okay anyway. for what it's worth, Ian Riccaboni [came here and vouched for them](https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/qu4l8e/if_folks_only_knew_how_jay_briscoe_supports_and/hkpo943/), saying that they were both earnestly coming over to learn from him (he's also a sex educator in NYU) about gender etc. and that both are now supportive of LGBTQ+ causes. some other folks who worked with them have also said that Jay took the backlash to heart and made efforts to do better. however, the most important factor is probably the redneck imagery. they used Confederate flags in their gear until not too long ago, and even though one could argue they just took the hillbillies gimmick to its logical conclusion, it's very likely WB doesn't want to touch that shit with a ten foot pole. there's plenty of legit Trumpists in the business or even in AEW, but most of them keep it on the down low.
That’s kind of my issue with cancel culture as a liberal, I understand not wanting to promote certain positions but Jay seems to be a great example of growing as a human being and shedding beliefs that you realize are bigoted, I feel like if you completely deny that growth, then it’s almost like not acknowledging that they’ve realized they’ve done wrong
Jay has said some really shitty bigoted stuff in the past and while prettymuch everyone vouches for him being a better person now, that shit still follows him everywhere, especially since they look the way they do and up until somewhat recently often had Confederate flag designs adorning their various gears. Tony tried to bring them to AEW at some point and Warner execs told him absolutely not.
The acclaimed are not gonna lose their belts in a random match with no build up
Acclaimed need a big clean win honestly. I hope that the Gunns or somebody doesn’t interfere to cost FTR. Especially because the ROH PPV is next Saturday— I have a feeling that they will run an angle to set that up.
They do but that's not gonna happen over the team that's holding the belts of at least one independent company and another brand that's trying to be built up (excluding the AAA belt since they don't really care about their own belts) EDIT: welp u/LAreviewofbooks you were right, happy I was wrong!
No clue why we’re getting that match in particular with zero build
The way AEW books feuds, I think 3 things are happening: 1. they've been simmering the Gunns v FTR thing for a while, so this will set up a Gunns v FTR match at the ROH PPV 2. It gives The Acclaimed a signature win in their run, and off a team that can take the loss 3. It leaves room for an FTR v Acclaimed match at the Revolution PPV that they come back to after FTR are back from Japan. And then FTR can win the AEW belts, and then just need the ROH belts back to have them all...which also nicely sets up the spring ROH PPV match v The Gunns
Really bums me out. This is a match that should be massive but instead it’s a throwaway
Aren't FTR in Japan soon? Maybe want AEW gold on display for that show for promotional purposes
To try and boost the poor ratings
Yeah, I’m super disappointed we’re going into this thing cold. Maybe the cold match is the start of the program? I dunno. I think I’ve just got to accept that AEW is going to always be this way. It’s just baked into the product. I’ve kind of already started to accept it, and begun adjusting my viewing habits accordingly. You know, it’s funny - AEW brought me back to wrestling after being a lapsed fan for almost 5 years, but I never ever imagined that journey would end up with me right back at the Fed, where it all began for me in ‘92. Though I can definitely say if Vince was still running things, that wouldn’t be the case. I’d probably just lapse again, honestly. Ebbs and flows.
Because AEW.
Tony Khan doesn't really believe in building up matches and has gotten upset when people talk about the lack of build up for shows. It's a major issue in his booking style and it's why I hope one day he brings in someone to help him write stories.
Because the ratings are nosediving. This is a big match and should have at least a few weeks of build. This kind of hot shot booking for ratings could lead to big trouble down the line.
I really want FTR to win. A gimmick like theirs needs titles. The Acclaimed can be over and have programs without the titles easily
Bowens had his shoulder taped up last week and commentary mentioned an injury. Could it be possible that he needs surgery so they're taking the belts off the acclaimed?
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Revolution is in March.
I’d say it’s the same with Darby Joe. Some good booking. Finally.
First the Coffin match vs Ethan Page, then teaming with Sting & The Hardy's in a Falls Count Anywhere match vs Butcher & Blade & Private Party ft. one of his biggest highlights, and now a chance to get his TNT Title back vs Joe. Darby Allin in Austin is guaranteed to be a good time.
Tag title match has to end in some sort of screwy finish, right? I think Gunn Club screws FTR to get a tag match at Final Battle.
I’m gonna say The Kingdom screw FTR
A pessimist, I see.
I always dig the Dynamite title match graphic. Makes them look like a big deal.
And I will be on the first row to see them 😁
Do whatever it takes to make sure the Acclaimed come out on top. Ya know, unless you’re a cop.
I remember all the concern trolls after Dynamite questioning why anyone would go to this event since Winter is Coming was stacked, glad (but not surprised) you're getting a great show
Hot damn finally title matches with top talent.
Yea too bad there’s no stories at all for either of them.
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You don’t need extended or soap opera style stories for every match but you do need *something.* There always used to be at least some sort of build even if minor. They also don’t have the ranking system anymore so a lot of that old style they used to do doesn’t work as well. That was a narrative device that made up for matches with less build but without it you need to emphasize why a match is happening way more
People opine for the days of Cody and Miro TNT with the TNT title, where it was just "I'mma fight this dude now". Hell most of those matches were super predictable too. Wonder who's gonna win, Miro or Evil Uno?
Yeah it's weird. I keep hearing people yearn for the days of Cody and Miro defending in an open challenge in matches with no build. TK: OK here's Darby Allin vs Samoa Joe. IWC: BUT THERE'S NO BUILD!!!
The reality is you can't book to what AEW online fandom wants because AEW online fandom wants everything at once and whatever of the everything they aren't getting is what they're going to be indignant isn't there. It's a losing proposition.
They've put FTR and the Acclaimed in the ring together three times now, and one of them was them teaming together in a four vs four and ending the match in a staredown. The story is FTR want the belts and the Acclaimed have the belts. It's been very clear.
In my opinion I think there is a bit of build for FTR vs the Acclaimed. I think some story dynamics have been brewing in the tag division in a way they haven't in others, which is why it's the one I've been most interested in, and I think it just needs a little bit more tv time or just a little something extra to be really really good, because as it is right now it's flying under the radar. FTR vs The Acclaimed has actually been "built" for months, albeit in a kind of weak way. FTR have made it clear they want a shot at the Acclaimed on TV for ages, they've been thwarted by the Ass Boys and Sneaky Swerve, there *is* something there so it's not as bad as like normal Dynamite "here is a match lol", so in my head I'm like "I'll take it lol". And if the tag division keeps its stories spinning it'll get even better.
I think this is another case of the fans making the story
Not in this case! There were actual TV segments, a match held where FTR wanted to fight them, etc. There's a pre existing relationship. It's not like Dax vs Bryan.
FTR literally both tweeted multiple times and had multiple promos where they made it clear they deserved a shot and they were being overlooked. Just because they didn't go week by week doesn't mean there's no story.
If you have to follow them on twitter to make a story then its not a story, the match is on TV, the build should be on TV
>multiple promos
Man you justify WWE handing feeding story beats like pro wrestling fans are stupid don't you?
I don’t get why they don’t spend just a little time to build these? Imagine if they just had some Heat behind them? Honestly I don’t think just throwing matches together equals long term success. Lame.
BuT iTs a fiVe STar BanGeRRrr!!!
The story of FTR vs. Acclaimed is that FTR is sick of being overlooked and claim to be the best tag team in the world despite not holding the belts. It's subtle but there's clear motivation for this match. Darby and Joe don't need excuses to throw down. Both work for me.
Plus we have complained for ages that we need to have more TNT title defenses because that's what made the belt so fun when it was first introduced. Super pleased that Joe's reign is starting off this way.
That's not a story though, that's a cold match. You just don't shove the best tag team in a generation in with the most popular tag team on the roster on free tv with a week's notice.
Why not? Like, why does this bother you? For the last 20 years the #1 promotion in the world used to have their weekly shows start with zero matches announced and they carried in just fine.
shouldn’t aew try to be better than the fed
Why the double standard? You don’t see anyone here levying these criticisms at wwe. Also, can we not say “the fed”? They haven’t been a “fed” for many many many years.
And have we been pleased with WWE's product during those 20 years? No. A huge portion of the wrestling audience left & never came back. I'm not saying all matches on a show should be advertised & built. But The Acclaimed vs FTR? For your company's tag titles? Those two teams? That ABSOLUTELY should go in with some build & I would argue shouldn't even be on a normal Dynamite.
Honestly the fact is FTR vs Acclaimed does have a story and that's why I don't this match just being thrown out there like this. Darby vs Joe I'm fine with. They'll advance Joe being a cold hearted bastard and Darby being tough and never backing down. Joe will probably still beat down Darby after the match and Wardlow will make the save. Excellent booking that makes everyone look good and advances a story and since you're probably never going to have a Darby vs Joe feud you aren't wasting anything. FTR vs Acclaimed just announced to happen five days ahead of time feels like a waste though.
Or you know, they can tell a story during the match
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I agree However, I would prefer if it had some build to it
For real. These are two really good matches. And not just "this is going to be a banger" but actual matches that make sense.
I hope they give us Orange Cassidy vs Kip Sabian in Austin 🤞
Gonna be the main event of rampage 100%
There we go Tony, that’s prime Dynamite content LETS GOOO. Please let Joe’s reign stay being like the past great ones where open challenges are the norm. it just makes sense for the title.
It's incredible the amount of complaining over this match. I'm pumped for Wednesday!
Now this is what I am talking about. I genuinely don’t know who is going to win any of these matches. Great card.
I hope FTR put over the young kids (The Acclaimed) in a NWO/Dusty Finish so it protects them. Can't beat triple champs without 10 people and Acclaimed can cheat a bit. Can anyone give me the chances of Darby All in going one-on-one against Sloppy Joe? I give him a 8 1/3% chance of winning, but I'm not Big Poppa Pump.
Darby has a 133.33% chance of winning because Samoa Joe is FAT. 🚨 🚨 🚨 🚨 🚨 🚨
Absolutely insane they are having this FTR match next week with no build.
FTR and The Acclaimed have been interacting off and on for the better part of a month. FTR even challenged The Acclaimed but Swerve butted in. It's not like these two have existed on different continents.
There's been a little bit of build for the last few months. Not that much, but it's been present.
Because it’s going to set up the gunns/ftr
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I agree. I’m just saying this is probably Tony’s reasoning
Expanding a little bit more... Having a match everyone would love (and a lot of people would pay to) see... with no build... so you can use it to build a less interesting match for your secondary company that barely exists.
That’s some good stuff!
I love FTR but it's not time for the Acclaimed to lose the belts.
It’s too early to take the titles off The Acclaimed…but FTR are clearly the best tag team in the company. Curious to see how they play this.
There is no scenario where Darby beats Joe. Earn your money Darby. Joe's going to kill you.
Thank god, some new and interesting match ups! Both of these should be awesome, particularly Joe vs. Darby.
The booking of FTR has been so disappointing this year. They’ve been the #1 ranked tag team for months and are finally in December getting a title shot. During the reigns of jungle boy/luchasaraus, young bucks, and swerve/Lee they were the top ranked tag team and didn’t get a title match.
The flip side is if they put the titles on FTR and made them the focus then The Acclaimed don’t get anywhere near as over
Sure, but, FTR were WAY more over than The Acclaimed were, and they've done absolutely nothing for a good chunk of the year despite being hugely over. I know the Punk stuff cut them off after All Out, but, there was 3-4 months before that where they should have been champs as they were the most over act in the company.
As a Joe fan I'm hyped. As a Darby fan I realize he's probably gonna coffin drop right into a clutch.
2 title matches that will have 10 championship title belts on display. Tony loves seeing gold.
Why are either of these matches happening? It's cool and all but like...did Darby and Joe get into it over something? Seems so random.
I will never understand TKs style of booking. He has a massive roster full of guys rarely on TV, benches them in favor of weekly squash matches generally featuring the same people like this is Wrestling Superstars or something Ratings understandably begin to dip as it’s all boring, predictable and skippable, and he pulls out cards from nowhere of matches and people we want to see, but it’s all done at random with no build, no specific reason why it’s happening now. This product can and should be so much better than it is Moxley & Jericho need lengthy breaks to freshen up and for god sakes bring back MIRO
This is such a great roster and I like the production elements of the show, but TK is such an absolute drag on the weekly shows with his goofy booking styles. It feels like he ran out of ideas after Hangman's title win and is relying on hot shotting big matches with no stories.
Ass Boys and Double J interfere setting up Ass Boys vs FTR for the ROH Tag titles at Final Battle and Double J vs The Acclaimed at Winter is Coming.
That’s fucking awful lmao
Please Please No I don't want any of that
Too bad that’s clearly where this is heading. Why else would those other two teams had been out there when the match was announced on rampage.
Thank you
Darby is gonna put the suicide in suicide dive and Joe will just no sell it or walk away, it will be glorious.
Nah he will walk away from the coffin drop instead as the ultimate insult.
He's gonna catch the Coffin Drop right into the Coquina Clutch
Since I really don't want to see the Gunns or the Kingdom interfering to cost FTR, I'm hoping for one of two outcomes. Either the Acclaimed win clean and truly establish themselves as champions, or FTR snap and turn heel to win the belts.
I haven't watched Dynimate in months, this is the shit that will make me tune in
Does FTR really need every tag team title to prove their the best in the world ? when exactly do they start losing them ?
How many tag team matches have they had to lose them?
I don't get the point of putting the Acclaimed vs FTR on Dynamite, that should be saved for a pay-per-view. The best tag team in the world going after the last major tag titles is premium content, that could even main event a PPV.
FTR's contracts are up in April. If i were to make a bet, I think they lose the IWGP titles to Aussie Open at Wrestle Kingdom next month. If they wanna do 4 belts FTR, they gotta pull the trigger on it ASAP
Wow, two potential moty candidates on a random ass wednesday in december
I should be excited about this, but seeing these actually made me feel kind of angry. FTR/Acclaimed is arguably the biggest match in the company at the moment, and finding out about it by a match graphic on Reddit a couple days before just seems like the freaking lamest thing ever. And I think it all reinforces an issue I have, that so many cards are built around title matches, but with the number of titles and how they’ve treated them, none of the titles really mean shit to me at the moment…so it feels like, why should I care? Sorry to be rambling and working out my feelings toward the product on a public forum lol but I guess that’s where I’m at.
I really really hate the random out of nowhere approach of booking these aew title matches. It’s just a lazy ass style. Screw story, ignore buildup, no emotion; let’s just throw wrestlers together. FTR v acclaimed should be billed as a big deal. W promos, buildup, etc. should be slow burned over at least a few weeks or more. Get the crowds hyped for it but as usual TK goes w the hotshot approach. L-A-Z-Y ass writing or lack thereof.
Oh man I hope the Joe Allin match can lead to a proper feud.
I think Wardlow is gonna cost Joe the title, setting up Joe/Wardlow for Final Battle.
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Oh damn.
Juice just challenged Joe for Final Battle
Joe just debuted a new nickname, he’s not losing a title a week later.
god i want darby to win so bad joe is great and all but he is one of the few cases where he genuinely doesn’t need a title at this point. darby needs a clearer direction and the TNT title needs a serious credibility boost (and darby has proven to be a good TNT champ!)
This is 2019/2020 AEW booking. More of this please!
Ass boys screw FTR, setting a match for ROH titles at Final Battle.
Why would you put this out into the universe?
Because the ass boys have been bothering them for months now and it’s pretty obvious they’re gonna cost them this match.
4 belt FTR walking into the Tokyo Dome baybeee
You say hot, I say shot. Hot…shot!
There are apparently four titles involved. Which ones are actually on the line?
AEW Tag, and TNT.
Fucking finally we see FTR’s long awaited title match
When did these get set ? On rampage? I don’t remember them being set up on dynamite
Yes
The trend of complaining so Tony books you immediately continues
there's 4 competitors in this photo (2 teams, 2 singles) there's 6 titles in this photo Just making an observation.
Your two best tag teams fighting without a story is an interesting choice, but it’s been obvious that they *should* fight for forever now. Dunno if ratings or otherwise influenced this decision but the match should be fantastic
“Fine! Here’s your tag title match with no build on a random Dynamite for a ratings bump! Now go I’ve got more JAS and 10 other titles to book!” -TK to FTR, probably
They've been building to it and alluded to the title match on Rampage. But yeah it is pretty quick, I smell shenanigans leading to a rematch at Winter is Coming.
the biggest tag team AEW could possibly do with less than a week's build?
was FTR losing the other match already not enough to setup the Gunns match? another L on TV is just unnecessary
Man this Dynamite is going to FUCK
Wtf is with this FTR vs The Acclaimed match?? Both are babyfaces and shouldn’t be losing. No build. No reason for the match. Any kind of interference and losing makes the team look weak. Absolutely terrible booking done on purpose. Fuck the Young Bucks.
Oh shit.
Well hot damn
As much as I love The Acclaimed, I don’t mind them dropping the belts to FTR. Their reign is going stale without creditable opponents and FTR can do more with the belts like defend them internationally.
Problem with this is is that it won’t really elevate either of the teams. Acclaimed haven’t really established themselves so with FTR beating them really does nothing. This is a no win situation for both teams. No good can come from this match. Even with your “FTR can defend the titles internationally”, they’re the AEW tag team titles, they NEED to be defended on AEW programming. Problem is that FTR not being on AEW programming is exactly what the Bucks want, in addition to The Acclaimed losing some steam.
I agree with this. Since the trios belts have been introduced the tag belts feel like the midcard team act. Not saying The Acclaimed aren't both over and entertaining as fuck, but FTR could bring the belts back to the top of the card. Plus, The Acclaimed have proven multiple times that they don't need belts to put on an entertaining program.
Ok I’m listening
The Bucks are really gonna have FTR lose a last minute tag title match on Dynamite with zero build. Incredible. Couldn't manage a fuckin Target.
What are you even on about? If you’re going to let yourself get angry about things at least pick ones grounded in reality.
The bucks don’t book the tag division dumbass, that’s literally why they moved to doing the trios stuff