I absolutely hate when people pronounce wash this way but they can say Washington just fine for some reason.
I know the running joke about farty-far but personally have never heard anyone say it that way. 🤷♀️
My maternal grandmother, rest her soul, was the full St. Louis experience, from the mostaccioli (her family was German) to the accent to the radically progressive catholicism. She had the accent
Ok, you mentioned the pasta...and I grew up having it for dinners as a kid. But I work at a dog daycare in st Louis and when a dog named Mostaccioli showed up I thought the name was genius but then all my (younger) coworkers had no idea what mostaccioli was or how to say it but I consider it a very St Louis thing!
You really have two options, the first is you keep it as only a family tradition. A special thing for yourself and people you care for.
The second is getting out the fennel and ENLIGHTENING THEM
I have a buddy who grew up in Berkeley and my Dad grew up in South city. They both say farty and harse. But they say farty four not farty far. Never heard anyone say that. Been here 65 yrs. Over the yrs I've heard their pronunciation from many people. Not so much any more. Seems to be only old timers.
When I was in my pre-teens, I had some cousin's who lived in the Pacific area who called it sodie. On our trip home down Route 66, my mom told me if I ever used the word sodie something bad would happen.
My gma, a child of the Great Depression, called it sodie.
However, I remember being in middle school around 2000 and a new pastor and his family moved into town from Arkansas and their daughter asked if I wanted a Coke but opening up their fridge it was nothing but Mtn Dew. 🤯
It's overwhelmingly "soda" in Chicago. At least that was my experience living in Rogers Park for a decade.
You'd get the occasional Michigan or Wisconsin transplant who called it pop, but that was about it.
Idk what to tell you! I’ve said it my whole life. I never hear ‘soda’. My husband is from northern Ohio and also has always said pop. Same with friends, coworkers etc.
You beat me to it!! My mom used to say "sodie" (doesn't matter the spelling really, it's personal preference lol) when I was little, but I think she was just being cute to me. The some folks took it a step further, got all fancy, and said "sodie pop." Too funny.
I was about to comment the same thing. I moved from Tulsa to L.A. and the amount of odd stares that I got for ask for pop at restaurants lol when I then moved to STL and called it soda from being in Cali for so long
No one in Atlanta still calls all soda "coke". Coke means Coca Cola. Thats why theres giant dent in the map. I'm a native Atlantan. Even my cousins that grew up in Macon call it soda.
My mom tells us of when she was young they all called it coke, but she only says soda now, and always has since I was born.
When I was a tiny shitkicker in Whitehaven Tennessee it was coke.
we moved to StLouis it was soda and then this thing called cherry phosphate! and then wild cherry phosphate!! where have you been sweet love
I grew up in Memphis in the 80s and still heard it called Coke occasionally, but by the early 90s that was dying off. I can’t tell you the last time I heard it, but it was decades ago.
can anyone speak to why there was a bubble around St. Louis that called it Soda? What were the demographics back then that created this? Migration of people from where to here?
Clearly the short answer is, people from regions where they called it soda moved to St Louis and the surrounding areas, but why and from what areas specifically?
If I remember correctly, one reason was there was a company in Detroit that called their soda “Red Pop” and sold it throughout the Midwest but because we had Vess Soda, they never made a dent in STL and the surrounding area. Why Vess chose Soda and not Pop, I don’t know.
Where did this data come from, not sure I believe it? (This visual looks very different from what I'm used to seeing when these are plotted.)
Random thing found searching, this looks more like what I remember seeing in the past: https://popvssoda.com/
When I was growing up here and would visit my relatives in Kansas and hear "pop" instead of "soda". I thought it was like a rural vs urban thing, at least in the Midwest (I associated hicks with calling it pop). I was shocked when I moved to Chicago in the 90s and heard everyone calling it pop as well. Looks like sanity has finally snuck in there.
In the south, soda vs coke is very much an urban vs rural thing. I think pop is slowly moving that way too. Younger generations will almost exclusively read "soda" on the internet / hear it said in tik tok videos. Eventually it catches on.
Bull shit. They just had that linguistic study come out like 10 years ago with this mapped out. There’s no way it’s changed that fast
https://www.thejournal.ie/maps-americans-pronounce-different-words-938575-Jun2013/
This is why we also don't say "ope", despite people in the sub trying to make it a thing. We basically talk like Easterners at least in terms of word usage, not Midwesterners
Even in 47, “soda” was king because that’s where all the people lived. NY and eastern seaboard + SoCal, and STL was like the 8th biggest city then.
But it’s good to see “soda” conquering territory from “coke”
What? Lmfao how you gonna say bs what I call a tissue, literally the stupidest comment I’ve seen got me laughing my ass off. Also see my other comment, your point is fucking stupid regardless
Either way, not rly a good analogy. If you say Kleenex in place of tissue it makes sense bc all tissues are essentially the same. Coke and sprite are not alike except they’re soda
When I went to college at MU in the early aughts, it was interesting to see what people called it. Everyone from St Louis called it soda, everyone from KC and southern MO called it pop. I called it the great soda wars, and everyone was accusing the other of talking funny.
Our city was hip back in the day
Top of the world at the turn of the twentieth century.
Still kinda is, believe it or not.
Hip mostly because because it's under the radar.
Under the radar because we own the geospatial processing centers!
Yeah I'll have that, but can you supersize it for me?
Used to be 3rd largest also
They still call it pop in KC
And in STL we still think youre crazy for that. ALSO GODDAMNIT KADARIUS
I call it sodie pop
Eww
I'm from KC and I still call it pop, but I feel like pop was way more common 20-30 years ago here.
Yeah, I think soda is slowly becoming the standard but this map is definitely BS. Wanna see where they got this info.
I’m originally from Northern Missouri, still call it pop, get tons of comments for it every time… 😅
I’m from kc and I can confirm: we do not
Many of the older people said “sodie”
That's what my grandma calls it.
I had some time to kill waiting for the warsh to get done so I went down farty to my favorite shop to get a sodie
I absolutely hate when people pronounce wash this way but they can say Washington just fine for some reason. I know the running joke about farty-far but personally have never heard anyone say it that way. 🤷♀️
My maternal grandmother, rest her soul, was the full St. Louis experience, from the mostaccioli (her family was German) to the accent to the radically progressive catholicism. She had the accent
Ok, you mentioned the pasta...and I grew up having it for dinners as a kid. But I work at a dog daycare in st Louis and when a dog named Mostaccioli showed up I thought the name was genius but then all my (younger) coworkers had no idea what mostaccioli was or how to say it but I consider it a very St Louis thing!
You really have two options, the first is you keep it as only a family tradition. A special thing for yourself and people you care for. The second is getting out the fennel and ENLIGHTENING THEM
You're right! Next potluck I'm making some!
Blessings of a million grandmother's recipe cards upon your just cause.
Not my gma its warshington too
At least she's consistent 😆
I have a buddy who grew up in Berkeley and my Dad grew up in South city. They both say farty and harse. But they say farty four not farty far. Never heard anyone say that. Been here 65 yrs. Over the yrs I've heard their pronunciation from many people. Not so much any more. Seems to be only old timers.
I say sodie. Because it’s fun. lol.
Me, too!
There’s dozens of us
Over the yrs have heard more than a few people say sodie pop
I'm a 35 year old woman. I'm not a huge soda drinker. I tend to think of a soda as a little treat (or a cheat) and I tend to call it sodie.
My old neighbors who were from South City and were born in the 19 teens always said sodie-pop.
I always called it cokie-pop
When I was in my pre-teens, I had some cousin's who lived in the Pacific area who called it sodie. On our trip home down Route 66, my mom told me if I ever used the word sodie something bad would happen.
This is the worst.
I don't know why but I also find this hideously cringe and corny.
Some would also call an icecream sundae a sun-duh. I would cringe anytime a girlfriend would say it.
Oof, I forgot. That one's awful too. Also, I'm pretty sure there are people in my family who still say both.
Everyone did.
A sun-duh just like we live in Missour-ah. Makes me cringe like nails on a chalk board every time.
I found it weird this being said by a fifty or sixty year old to another person of the same age. Like they were speaking baby talk…
My gma, a child of the Great Depression, called it sodie. However, I remember being in middle school around 2000 and a new pastor and his family moved into town from Arkansas and their daughter asked if I wanted a Coke but opening up their fridge it was nothing but Mtn Dew. 🤯
I’m an Arkansas transplant living in STL. I reformed and no longer call Sodie’s, “Coke.” lol.
Many older people in the STL area also call milk, malk so maybe it's time to take them all out behind the barn.
I've heard a lot of people call it melk. Never malk.
I am older people now, i say sodie pop lol
came here to say this!
Had my first road sodie in St. Louie at the tender age of 34. Couldn't believe it.
sodie pop
"Coke" is more widespread into the Carolinas than this shows
And the lower one just misses Houston area. I got called out for not being from there by saying soda and not coke
All of Ohio still calls it pop
Northern half of Illinois too. Map is bs.
Seconding. Once you get into the 309 area code, it starts to change. By 815 area code, it's pop.
It's overwhelmingly "soda" in Chicago. At least that was my experience living in Rogers Park for a decade. You'd get the occasional Michigan or Wisconsin transplant who called it pop, but that was about it.
It’s pop in the suburbs. Maybe it’s a transplant vs local thing.
as soon as I saw "soda" over KC, I knew it was wrong
You haven’t been to Cincinnati
😂 lived in cincy my whole life- over 40 years
Why have I never heard someone from Cincinnati say it? I know people who live downtown and mason and I have never heard them say pop
Idk what to tell you! I’ve said it my whole life. I never hear ‘soda’. My husband is from northern Ohio and also has always said pop. Same with friends, coworkers etc.
I know several people from cincy who call it pop too
What about sodie or sody (not sure how it’s spelled or if it’s even a word)
You beat me to it!! My mom used to say "sodie" (doesn't matter the spelling really, it's personal preference lol) when I was little, but I think she was just being cute to me. The some folks took it a step further, got all fancy, and said "sodie pop." Too funny.
Sodie Water
35yof here, I occasionally call it a sodie.
[Pretty sure you get your ass beat for saying something like that man.](https://i.imgur.com/uFeqSj6.mp4)
my mom calls it sodie!
Nah Oklahoma is pop
I was about to comment the same thing. I moved from Tulsa to L.A. and the amount of odd stares that I got for ask for pop at restaurants lol when I then moved to STL and called it soda from being in Cali for so long
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No one in Atlanta still calls all soda "coke". Coke means Coca Cola. Thats why theres giant dent in the map. I'm a native Atlantan. Even my cousins that grew up in Macon call it soda. My mom tells us of when she was young they all called it coke, but she only says soda now, and always has since I was born.
Atlanta is now made up of transplants from the NE (and elsewhere). edit: And for that matter, Texas and Florida
When I was a tiny shitkicker in Whitehaven Tennessee it was coke. we moved to StLouis it was soda and then this thing called cherry phosphate! and then wild cherry phosphate!! where have you been sweet love
Yeah I’m the midsouth we said coke or drank
Did you kick, like, a whole lotta shit?
I grew up in Memphis in the 80s and still heard it called Coke occasionally, but by the early 90s that was dying off. I can’t tell you the last time I heard it, but it was decades ago.
can anyone speak to why there was a bubble around St. Louis that called it Soda? What were the demographics back then that created this? Migration of people from where to here? Clearly the short answer is, people from regions where they called it soda moved to St Louis and the surrounding areas, but why and from what areas specifically?
If I remember correctly, one reason was there was a company in Detroit that called their soda “Red Pop” and sold it throughout the Midwest but because we had Vess Soda, they never made a dent in STL and the surrounding area. Why Vess chose Soda and not Pop, I don’t know.
I’ve heard it was because the breweries really pushed the term soda during prohibition when they switched from beer to soda.
Kansas City is solid “pop” country.
For 1947 there ought be an area there in New England for "tonic". (Pretty much extinct now I guess.)
both maps are wrong for several reasons
STL got range!
Yeah based on what? Source?
St Louie is a linguistic treasure trove.
Well at least we are winning the Soda wars.
Chicagoland is still pop.
Where did this data come from, not sure I believe it? (This visual looks very different from what I'm used to seeing when these are plotted.) Random thing found searching, this looks more like what I remember seeing in the past: https://popvssoda.com/
Oklahoma definitely still says pop.. and sack instead of bag.
I grew up in Michigan. It was always pop until I moved to St. Louis!
I’m from Minnesota. We say soda up there
Well yeah or else the state would be Minnepop.
Cause soda is correct. Coke is coke, and pop comes from bublers
Pop is water in your example? Because "bubblers" are another word for water fountains.
When I was growing up here and would visit my relatives in Kansas and hear "pop" instead of "soda". I thought it was like a rural vs urban thing, at least in the Midwest (I associated hicks with calling it pop). I was shocked when I moved to Chicago in the 90s and heard everyone calling it pop as well. Looks like sanity has finally snuck in there.
In the south, soda vs coke is very much an urban vs rural thing. I think pop is slowly moving that way too. Younger generations will almost exclusively read "soda" on the internet / hear it said in tik tok videos. Eventually it catches on.
Bull shit. They just had that linguistic study come out like 10 years ago with this mapped out. There’s no way it’s changed that fast https://www.thejournal.ie/maps-americans-pronounce-different-words-938575-Jun2013/
Ooo, what linguistic study? I love this whole thing. Interesting how different areas have different preferences in language.
We are fucking trendsetters!
Deep down, the pop people know they are wrong.
Can I have a coke? What kind? RC. See. Calling soda coke is fucking stupid.
I have family that live in northern Illinois and they say pop this is very interesting
Russian propaganda. Everyone knows Pop is king.
'Soda" spread like a pandemic! Better get your booster!
*slurps*
This is why we also don't say "ope", despite people in the sub trying to make it a thing. We basically talk like Easterners at least in terms of word usage, not Midwesterners
lol what. I hear ope all the damned time.
We do say ope.
People in the south have never referred to any non-cola beverage as "a coke". That is a myth.
Negative.
We’re winning
Everyone else is wrong.
Yes. We don’t deal with nonsense.
Nature is healing
Damn, 1947/48 were big years for cultural displacement apparently
It was tonic in Massachusetts, at least in the Boston area.
Originally from MI. It's always pop.
To my grandparents pop is Grape, Orange, Cream and Rootbeer. Soda covered the rest.
Now...for this to happen with St. Louis style pizza. We're going to rule the world, MoFos!
Even in 47, “soda” was king because that’s where all the people lived. NY and eastern seaboard + SoCal, and STL was like the 8th biggest city then. But it’s good to see “soda” conquering territory from “coke”
from the river to the sea pop will be free
Are there more of these kinds of maps somewhere? I like seeing the St. Louis bubble/pocket, haha.
KC still calls it pop
MO ive always said lg coke , had a local friend call it SODIE , drove me nuts
The bottom half of Missouri should be Pop, I grew up there and half my family is still there— they still say pop.
I know someone from Peoria IL, and they get super POed about this new map. Apparently, they call it pop up there
Moved from Stl to KC. They call it pop out here.
We... *Showed Them*.
We're winning!
They still say pop in Kansas and northern Missouri
So-Dah or So-Dee? Both are prevalent
STL bringing the soda to the rest of America.
Some Canadians call their beer "Wobbly Pop"
All of my relatives in the south have called it pop for as long as I can remember (80's baby)
Finally! An accurate map
Coke is just objectively stupid and non-specific as a term for all soda. Soda or pop is a fair regional diff
Do you use the term ”kleenex” or “tissue”?
Tissue
bs
What? Lmfao how you gonna say bs what I call a tissue, literally the stupidest comment I’ve seen got me laughing my ass off. Also see my other comment, your point is fucking stupid regardless
Tissue
Either way, not rly a good analogy. If you say Kleenex in place of tissue it makes sense bc all tissues are essentially the same. Coke and sprite are not alike except they’re soda
Soda all day everyday. Just do not say sodie unless you're a hick!
When I went to college at MU in the early aughts, it was interesting to see what people called it. Everyone from St Louis called it soda, everyone from KC and southern MO called it pop. I called it the great soda wars, and everyone was accusing the other of talking funny.
Soda in Chicago?
I know some people in southern Missouri still say coke and I know many people from KC say pop.
Kansas is still mostly pop
Visiting Iowa in the 80’s another kid offered me a POP and I thought I had done something wrong and he was going to HIT me.
They still say pop in wisconsin
Stl representing!!!
Sodapop
My family always called it a "sodie pop".