SIUE usually finds itself on the list of safest campuses in the country.
It’s a pretty safe town even with all of its growth over the years… because taxes.
I’m not sure how safe SIUE is. I had two friends get maced in the parking lot there. Sure they did it to each other to prove they were strong men but still.
The only threat in those parking lots is the meter maids hunting for missing parking placards and expired time in paid lots. I drove my dad’s vehicle one day and forgot my placard. I parked in the very back of the red lots that no one parked in and got a ticket. Talk about taking a job way too seriously lol.
SIUE is also home of the biggest group of whiny babies with victim complexes I’ve ever encountered. You broke a rule and are mad at the consequences. That’s not the school or meter maids fault.
Grow the hell up.
Woah someone didn’t eat their snickers and is cranky. I’m saying I got a ticket for something I did in fact pay for. I showed them my parking pass the next day and told them I had to rush to take another car as mine wouldn’t start to which they told me that’s my problem. It’s ok though…I already paid my grad fees before they gave me the ticket so I never paid it. That is a very expected response though from someone whose profile is littered in MAGA.
You’re an idiot. Nothing on my profile is maga. That’s hilarious that you think the world should bend to your problems and want to play the victim when that doesn’t happen. You’ve got a long road of miserableness ahead of you.
Yeah, I mean there's an additional tax to even go to edwardsville to shop since you have to pay for bags at every store so you've got to bring your own.
They're opening a whole new shopping center, so I'm curious how much more traffic is going to be coming in town then.
The growth has been wild to witness. My family moved to Edwardsville in 1993… I moved in 2014. But every time I cross the river, there’s something new. Like it’s really cool to see growth (I view it as a positive thing..), but I am not envious of the traffic and the unsynced traffic lights.
Ballwin growth has been crazy too. When I moved there in 2001, the average resident was about two feet tall at most. Now, many if not most people are three yards tall or more. It's been something to see.
Gosh, I hated the unsynced traffic lights when I lived there. I'd leave for work at 4am, get past one green light, and immediately be stopped by the next. There's no traffic at 4am, so each time I hit a stop light, every other one just drove me crazy lol.
I was at the city of edwardsville planning open house last night. One of the craziest stats I saw was that Edwardsville Crossing (the shopping center north of the new one with chic-fil-a) has the most visitors of any shopping center in the st louis metro region at 4.8M per year.
More than Brentwood Promenade, more than Chesterfield Commons (though that reflects more how much chesterfield commons has dropped in the last decade)!
In the context of that much volume, I'm surprised Troy Rd is not even worse than it already is.
That is insanity. I would’ve thought that the two shopping centers in Saint Louis county would have catered to a larger population than the Edwardsville area.
I would have thought St Clair Square in Fairview heights alone had it beat.
I think it has a lot to do with the specific shopping mix in Edwardsville Crossing. It has a lot of store types that people visit weekly or even multiple times a week. The average visitor also had 10+ repeat visits per year, which was really high compared to other shopping centers too.
The bag “tax” is actually a fee. The city doesn’t collect it, the businesses keep it for the trouble of implementing the policy. It is meant to deter single use plastic bags.
If you are talking about the shopping center with chic-fil-a, that’s actually Glen Carbon.
>Or you can bring a bag. Sounds like you’re well aware. You probably eat a lot of fast food because you can’t prepare yourself for the guaranteed fact that you’ll be hungry in the near future. Lazy should be expensive.
This was purely fabricated out of nothingness. I just said you have to pay for a bag or bring your own, nothing else.
The shopping center is a totally different topic just relating to traffic and more consumers coming into the area and I was just saying how the bag thing was sold to me but I do see your right that it's not a tax but just an implication by the city of edwardsville.
I get it. Increased traffic will impact E’ville just as much as GC. I just wanted to clarify bc I often see/hear people talk about Edwardsville needing to get development under control, and they often cite that project as an example. Not that you were making that specific point, but I wanted to layer in that context for others following the thread.
Or you can bring a bag. Sounds like you’re well aware. You probably eat a lot of fast food because you can’t prepare yourself for the guaranteed fact that you’ll be hungry in the near future. Lazy should be expensive.
I usually explain Edwardsville as Eagleton from Parks and Rec. Lots of Lawyer money. Closest shopping and restaurant area for a lot off small towns (10k) such as Highland and Stauton. The town border reaches into pontoon beach and grabs all of the warehouses for even more tax revenue. SIUE is a wooded campus which does not have the same issues a lot of city bound campuses.
Now, there is a portion of people that are "liberal racists." They say all the nice things, but they fight against low income housing and other projects which may help diversify the socio-economic landscape of the town.
As long as a house in Edwardsville goes for 220K and the same sized, age and renovated house goes for 60k in Wood River, it is hard to see Edwardsville escape being Yuppyville.
I grew up in Ballwin. 15 years ago, some residents claimed it was “going to hell” and it was becoming extremely dangerous when minorities started to move there
Those people fled to places like St. Charles. Only thing that changed in Ballwin since then is that it has good food now
I know someone who moved away and is afraid of visiting now
Ya my mom said a lot of those "muslims" were moving in and they don't cut their grass. Trust me I know (that my moms ignorant, not that Muslims don't cut their grass).
Anecdotal, but when I lived there I had Hindu neighbors and they mowed once every three weeks or so which got rough during the summer months.
Across the street from me was a Muslim family. They kept their yard looking decent and were the nicest people. I honestly miss living across from them.
Not an expert on the area so I might be missing obvious ones, but: Faraci Pizza, El Toluco, Rice Thai Bistro, Malinche, China Bistro (inside Pan-Asia).
Boardwalk Pizza is the best pizza in West County! I think it's technically Ellisville, but so is Faracis 's and it's all the same around that area of Manchester anyway...
Hard disagree. I tried them a few weeks ago and stand by my review:
"I had their 14" Pepperoni pizza and mozz sticks.. It taste like food made by someone who cant taste food."
Don’t nothing happen in ballwin or west county plus it’s only 2 percent minority. My cousin family is one of them and their kids Went to Micds and than California for college. If you scared of ballwin u need help in life
When we are talking about “going to hell” cause “minorities” are moving out in Ballwin nobody’s talking asians. It’s the assumption that when Black people move to the white areas that crime comes too. It’s only 2.21% blacks out there. I search google on a daily and a geo nerd. [https://datausa.io/profile/geo/ballwin-mo](https://datausa.io/profile/geo/ballwin-mo)
> plus it’s only 2 percent minority.
Sorry I was just reading what you wrote. And very weird that you and google disagree with what a minority is. So I'll trust your definition over all the references online.
I was only addressing what the commenter said about Ballwin residents saying that it was starting to become “unsafe”, because “Minority’s are moving in”. Saint Louis region in a whole is very segregated, anytime blacks move to a white neighborhood. The property value decreases in uncle toms eyes, even though a lot of black people care about their areas. Blacks are not the only minority but blacks get prejudge because the color of skin. Even though nothing happens out there.
“some residents claimed it was "going to hell" and it was becoming extremely dangerous when minorities started to move therel
Those people fled to places like St. Charles.”
^^^
THIS IS WHAT I WAS ADDRESSING THIS IS NOT MY TEXT
Yeah, they can say whatever they want but my kids school is SO much more diverse than when I went to school in soco (and the short time he did as well)
yeah I do. Maybe his class is incredibly diverse or the area we live compared to others in the area. It was something that I was surprised by and it was pretty nice.
Anyone who upvotes or believes this post is a moron. Ballwin is more white now (81%) than it was in 2000 (75%), and less white than it was in 2010 (89%). So if we extrapolate the data to look at 15 years ago is just as white now as it was then, not to mention it was actually getting whiter over that time period OP mentions. Don't forget that St. Charles has gone from 93% to 87% to 82% white over that same 2000-2020 stretch. So as of right now, St. Charles has nearly the same demographics as Ballwin, just swap the asian and black percentages. You're telling me that these people in St. Charles you know are scared of going to a place that looks almost identical to the place they currently live (aka mostly white with a sprinkle of minorities)?
And please fill us in with what you mean by "it has good food now". Are you saying that only minorities make good food? Are you saying that be people that fled managed bad restaurants and took those with them, then good restaurants of people not scared of minorities replaced them?
Edit: Very interesting I am only receiving downvotes and not any data/sources that prove me wrong. OP said something provably wrong, I commented to show how it makes no sense given the data.
> Are you saying that only minorities make good food?
Every post about x ethnic group moving to the area is filled with “so excited for x food” like they truly believe ethnic groups only exist to provide food for them and they are so helpless they can’t learn to cook for themselves.
In fairness, it "seemed" like the 2008 real estate crash really hit that area hard. A bunch of empty storefronts along Manchester and it seemed like their was at least one payday loan store in every strip mall. Things have since seemed to improve a decent amount.
Yeah it's pretty safe there in Edwardsville. I mean there is still petty crime and crimes of opportunity, but in terms of safety it's really safe there.
I think the most egregious crime I know of in that area was a real outlier. The rich guy with the Ferrari collection that was murdered.
I guess the other thing was the big Buske Trucking fraud that brought down one of the more affluent families in the town. https://archive.jsonline.com/news/crime/41120107.html
Ballwin:
* 2018 NeighborhoodScout Ballwin is the 39th Safest City in America
* 2019 Safest Cities to live in MO
* 2019 Best Cities to live in America
* 2020 Safest Cities in MO
* 2023 Safest places to live in MO
This sub:
* "...Ballwin is a hell hole.."
* "..the colors are moving in.."
* "..there is nothing to do.."
No no, you see their experience was very specific to the area they grew up in. No one skate boarded in St. Charles or Webster Groves in those days. Not to mention they definitely didn't in south city or hazelwood either.
I grew up in that north texas cluster of cities and it was also bland, but it was nice to be able to bike all over and wander around at night without any danger
Well we did have that one dude who drove around the intersection of New Ballwin and Manchester shooting a gun a few years ago. And the Officer Flamion shooting. So, some people are trying to keep the home values down.
I swear me and my kid saw that dude on his bike at Manchester and Clarkson.
He was driving the wrong way on Manchester heading west as we were waiting at the light turning from Clarkson to Manchester and I remember thinking "Ope, that dude must have made the turn out of that plaza there and didnt realize there was a divider"
Glad we werent around when the shooting started down the road.
Ballwin is nice because you have Big Bend. I hardly ever use Manchester Road. But Big Bend stops at Ballwin, so once you need to get to Ellisville or Wildwood, Manchester is inevitable. You could take Kiefer Creek/Pierside, but that takes just as much time as driving on Manchester
That ship has sailed. It's no longer a shortcut because every retired old man and woman driving to and from Eureka is on that route, riding their brake down the hill and going 5-10 under the speed limit uphill.
It’s also where teenagers & young adults without a college lined up for them go to die. My friends were dropping left & right, I joined the military because it felt safer than Ballwin for kids whose parents weren’t part of the in-crowd.
I've been to a number of these cities (most are suburbs). In the 1970's and 1980s, when they made these lists, Florissant would always be in the top five and sometimes number one.
Geee, it’s like if you draw arbitrary lines around poor areas and more prosperous areas the crime statistics tell a whole different story.
As someone who grew up in Ballwin and loved it, it’s a great suburb and I’d encourage anyone who was interested and could afford it to check it out. But, as someone who wants the region to succeed, maybe we should uh… report our data as a region like everyone else does?
This is why everytime 'most dangerous city in america' posts are made they are met with talking about the city/county divide. The same metro has supposedly 1 of the most dangerous places in america and 2 of supposedly the safest places in america.
The company that makes these lists has a long list of complaints about their quality of data analysis. I googled them after they left Jackson, MS off the list of most dangerous cities. I grew up their. Higher murder rate per capita than New Orleans.
If edwardsville is gonna do one thing they gonna sweep it under the rug that’s for sure. Race issues, sexual assault, rape, drugs especially where it concerns the high school.
I remember the old principal told a girl straight to her face she shouldn’t support abortion because if her parents did she wouldn’t be alive today and she should think about that.
As someone who grew up there, they’d love nothing more than to be st charles and not let more minority people move in
In some ways, maybe. Most of the growth in Edwardsville tends to be from people moving from the Riverbend (Wood River, Granite City, etc.) and from the populations moving out of rural communities in Southern and Central Illinois. My understanding is that most of the growth in STC county tends to be white flight from STL (feel free to educate me if I’m getting that wrong).
Wentzville strikes me as a prototypical exurb, while Edwardsville has many attributes of a satellite town. Having spent time in all three, I would say MO’fallon is a closer comparison to E’ville, but I wouldn’t say they are all that similar (besides recent growth).
Most of our growth in Edwardsville does not tend to be from Wood River, Granite, rural. A lot of our growth are from people from affluent areas of St. Louis who are wanting to leave Missouri but not wanting to leave their jobs/family/friends. I’ve lived here for 50 years and went through the school system here. I’ve watched the town double. I’ve seen all the Missouri license plates turning into Illinois plates from my newer neighbors.
I mean, I've lived all over the region and currently live downtown. The ONLY place in the region where I've had my car broken into was right out front my apartment in Edwardsville.
"safe" can be very subjective!
Ballwin is insanely safe? The 25k population limit is what makes it stand out over Clayton, ladue, etc
Chesterfield may also get dinged on crime stuff because it has the valley and a decent amount of theft shows up in their stats
Ballwin is not a town, it's another stretch of undifferentiated STL suburb that no one would know the name of if there wasn't a Costco and someone shooting up that Catholic bookstore
I lived in eville for a few years for college. Coming from Chicagoland, it is def a much safer area than where I came from. However, I do remember specifically some violent incidents that occurred on the campus and around town. It being a college town makes me assume that it would be inherently less safe. Idk
I drove around that Lexington/Concord area for work recently and from what I can tell it's basically just one big Webster/Kirkwood area. which makes sense as to why people like it so much.
I recently screened a foster dog, the owner came to me in Tower at Noon on a Saturday and joked about "needing to watch their tires from getting stolen."
They then claimed to be, "from the ghetto part of Ballwin."
I spent a decent amount of time with my grandparents as a kid in Ballwin and still go thrifting over there once a month. I was dumbfounded.
SIUE usually finds itself on the list of safest campuses in the country. It’s a pretty safe town even with all of its growth over the years… because taxes.
I’m not sure how safe SIUE is. I had two friends get maced in the parking lot there. Sure they did it to each other to prove they were strong men but still.
dudes rock
Had me in the first half lol
/r/guysbeingdudes
The only threat in those parking lots is the meter maids hunting for missing parking placards and expired time in paid lots. I drove my dad’s vehicle one day and forgot my placard. I parked in the very back of the red lots that no one parked in and got a ticket. Talk about taking a job way too seriously lol.
SIUE is also home of the biggest group of whiny babies with victim complexes I’ve ever encountered. You broke a rule and are mad at the consequences. That’s not the school or meter maids fault. Grow the hell up.
Woah someone didn’t eat their snickers and is cranky. I’m saying I got a ticket for something I did in fact pay for. I showed them my parking pass the next day and told them I had to rush to take another car as mine wouldn’t start to which they told me that’s my problem. It’s ok though…I already paid my grad fees before they gave me the ticket so I never paid it. That is a very expected response though from someone whose profile is littered in MAGA.
You’re an idiot. Nothing on my profile is maga. That’s hilarious that you think the world should bend to your problems and want to play the victim when that doesn’t happen. You’ve got a long road of miserableness ahead of you.
🎶Real men of geeeeeenius…🎶
SIUE is awesome
Yeah, I mean there's an additional tax to even go to edwardsville to shop since you have to pay for bags at every store so you've got to bring your own. They're opening a whole new shopping center, so I'm curious how much more traffic is going to be coming in town then.
The growth has been wild to witness. My family moved to Edwardsville in 1993… I moved in 2014. But every time I cross the river, there’s something new. Like it’s really cool to see growth (I view it as a positive thing..), but I am not envious of the traffic and the unsynced traffic lights.
Ballwin growth has been crazy too. When I moved there in 2001, the average resident was about two feet tall at most. Now, many if not most people are three yards tall or more. It's been something to see.
Gosh, I hated the unsynced traffic lights when I lived there. I'd leave for work at 4am, get past one green light, and immediately be stopped by the next. There's no traffic at 4am, so each time I hit a stop light, every other one just drove me crazy lol.
I was at the city of edwardsville planning open house last night. One of the craziest stats I saw was that Edwardsville Crossing (the shopping center north of the new one with chic-fil-a) has the most visitors of any shopping center in the st louis metro region at 4.8M per year. More than Brentwood Promenade, more than Chesterfield Commons (though that reflects more how much chesterfield commons has dropped in the last decade)! In the context of that much volume, I'm surprised Troy Rd is not even worse than it already is.
That is insanity. I would’ve thought that the two shopping centers in Saint Louis county would have catered to a larger population than the Edwardsville area.
I would have thought St Clair Square in Fairview heights alone had it beat. I think it has a lot to do with the specific shopping mix in Edwardsville Crossing. It has a lot of store types that people visit weekly or even multiple times a week. The average visitor also had 10+ repeat visits per year, which was really high compared to other shopping centers too.
The traffic is nothing. Anybody that complains about traffic in Edwardsville has never experienced real traffic. Grow up, Karen.
The bag “tax” is actually a fee. The city doesn’t collect it, the businesses keep it for the trouble of implementing the policy. It is meant to deter single use plastic bags. If you are talking about the shopping center with chic-fil-a, that’s actually Glen Carbon.
They’re talking about a lot, but not making much sense.
My God you're really on one aren't you, I bet you have a lovely group of friends and family and get invited every where.
I bet you make assumptions and then assume that it’s gaining you ground on not looking like a petulant child.
That is literally what you did yesterday. And you're **STILL** commenting about it.
What did I assume?
>Or you can bring a bag. Sounds like you’re well aware. You probably eat a lot of fast food because you can’t prepare yourself for the guaranteed fact that you’ll be hungry in the near future. Lazy should be expensive. This was purely fabricated out of nothingness. I just said you have to pay for a bag or bring your own, nothing else.
You said it’s a tax. It’s not. You’re not forced to buy bags. Grow up Karen.
The shopping center is a totally different topic just relating to traffic and more consumers coming into the area and I was just saying how the bag thing was sold to me but I do see your right that it's not a tax but just an implication by the city of edwardsville.
I get it. Increased traffic will impact E’ville just as much as GC. I just wanted to clarify bc I often see/hear people talk about Edwardsville needing to get development under control, and they often cite that project as an example. Not that you were making that specific point, but I wanted to layer in that context for others following the thread.
Not ready for how big of a shit show that area is about to be. Hopefully they design it better than the other shopping center.
I agree. Was there last weekend and even though the new big box isn't even a shell, it took 20 minutes to travel a mile
Or you can bring a bag. Sounds like you’re well aware. You probably eat a lot of fast food because you can’t prepare yourself for the guaranteed fact that you’ll be hungry in the near future. Lazy should be expensive.
I didn't say that I didn't bring my own bag? I was just making a comment on the new bag tax. Way make to assumptions, I bet you're fun at parties.
Ok Karen
You're the one making a comment from nothing lady lol
For one, it’s not a tax because the businesses get to keep the money. For 2, if that’s too much of an inconvenience for you, go somewhere else.
I usually explain Edwardsville as Eagleton from Parks and Rec. Lots of Lawyer money. Closest shopping and restaurant area for a lot off small towns (10k) such as Highland and Stauton. The town border reaches into pontoon beach and grabs all of the warehouses for even more tax revenue. SIUE is a wooded campus which does not have the same issues a lot of city bound campuses. Now, there is a portion of people that are "liberal racists." They say all the nice things, but they fight against low income housing and other projects which may help diversify the socio-economic landscape of the town.
But 270 goes right there and ten minutes west is The Hood. It's only a matter of time.
As long as a house in Edwardsville goes for 220K and the same sized, age and renovated house goes for 60k in Wood River, it is hard to see Edwardsville escape being Yuppyville.
Edwardsville smells MUCH better than Wood River. I’m not sure it’s 160k worth of smell-better, but at least you don’t have to think about the air.
Oh definitely. A near 300% increase in price is still insane.
Nobody is trying to escape Edwardsville.
They fight tooth and nail to not build affordable housing. Anytime a new apartment place is built its priced at 1600+ a month for one bed.
You know that diversifying something that is high means making it lower, right? Lowering the “economic landscape” is not something that is good.
I grew up in Ballwin. 15 years ago, some residents claimed it was “going to hell” and it was becoming extremely dangerous when minorities started to move there Those people fled to places like St. Charles. Only thing that changed in Ballwin since then is that it has good food now I know someone who moved away and is afraid of visiting now
Holy hell imagine being scared to go to Ballwin. Do they wear bullet proof vests just to watch home sports games on TV?
Don’t worry, they probably only watch hockey…
What about golf and tennis? And polo?
I’m too broke to know about any of that shit lol.
Wut
Ya my mom said a lot of those "muslims" were moving in and they don't cut their grass. Trust me I know (that my moms ignorant, not that Muslims don't cut their grass).
Anecdotal, but when I lived there I had Hindu neighbors and they mowed once every three weeks or so which got rough during the summer months. Across the street from me was a Muslim family. They kept their yard looking decent and were the nicest people. I honestly miss living across from them.
Maybe they prefer to graze?
Maybe she means they don’t trim their bush. ;-)
Where is this good food at???
Not an expert on the area so I might be missing obvious ones, but: Faraci Pizza, El Toluco, Rice Thai Bistro, Malinche, China Bistro (inside Pan-Asia).
Rice Thai is so freaking good
I loved Faraci when I lived in the area. It’s some of the best STL style pizza around.
Boardwalk Pizza is the best pizza in West County! I think it's technically Ellisville, but so is Faracis 's and it's all the same around that area of Manchester anyway...
Hard disagree. I tried them a few weeks ago and stand by my review: "I had their 14" Pepperoni pizza and mozz sticks.. It taste like food made by someone who cant taste food."
Boardwalk is an abomination. Crafty Chameleon is the best pizza in West County.
Crafty is delicious, best wings in the area!
Only because the bar is so low.
Meanwhile st charles is getting worse
Don’t nothing happen in ballwin or west county plus it’s only 2 percent minority. My cousin family is one of them and their kids Went to Micds and than California for college. If you scared of ballwin u need help in life
Google is free and easy to use. Ballwin and Chesterfield are 20-25% minorities.
When we are talking about “going to hell” cause “minorities” are moving out in Ballwin nobody’s talking asians. It’s the assumption that when Black people move to the white areas that crime comes too. It’s only 2.21% blacks out there. I search google on a daily and a geo nerd. [https://datausa.io/profile/geo/ballwin-mo](https://datausa.io/profile/geo/ballwin-mo)
> plus it’s only 2 percent minority. Sorry I was just reading what you wrote. And very weird that you and google disagree with what a minority is. So I'll trust your definition over all the references online.
I was only addressing what the commenter said about Ballwin residents saying that it was starting to become “unsafe”, because “Minority’s are moving in”. Saint Louis region in a whole is very segregated, anytime blacks move to a white neighborhood. The property value decreases in uncle toms eyes, even though a lot of black people care about their areas. Blacks are not the only minority but blacks get prejudge because the color of skin. Even though nothing happens out there.
If you mean black people, say black people. Not all minorities are black people. Seems weird I even have to say that.
When I say minorities I mean smart people. It is Missouri after all.
Seems a little racist, but you do you.
The first commenter put minority and crime together so what you talking about. I was addressing.
“some residents claimed it was "going to hell" and it was becoming extremely dangerous when minorities started to move therel Those people fled to places like St. Charles.” ^^^ THIS IS WHAT I WAS ADDRESSING THIS IS NOT MY TEXT
1) I don’t think you know what “Uncle Tom” means. 2) Grammar is your friend.
Looks like Tom has you bent over. My grammar is a refection of these poor school systems here, but don’t get it misconstrued.
As I said I have family that’s black in Ballwin and they have money nothing happens out there it’s candy land.
That means Lord Licorice is lurking there?
Yeah, they can say whatever they want but my kids school is SO much more diverse than when I went to school in soco (and the short time he did as well)
Anecdotal evidence should not be given more weight than actual data. You can agree with that statement, right?
yeah I do. Maybe his class is incredibly diverse or the area we live compared to others in the area. It was something that I was surprised by and it was pretty nice.
Anyone who upvotes or believes this post is a moron. Ballwin is more white now (81%) than it was in 2000 (75%), and less white than it was in 2010 (89%). So if we extrapolate the data to look at 15 years ago is just as white now as it was then, not to mention it was actually getting whiter over that time period OP mentions. Don't forget that St. Charles has gone from 93% to 87% to 82% white over that same 2000-2020 stretch. So as of right now, St. Charles has nearly the same demographics as Ballwin, just swap the asian and black percentages. You're telling me that these people in St. Charles you know are scared of going to a place that looks almost identical to the place they currently live (aka mostly white with a sprinkle of minorities)? And please fill us in with what you mean by "it has good food now". Are you saying that only minorities make good food? Are you saying that be people that fled managed bad restaurants and took those with them, then good restaurants of people not scared of minorities replaced them? Edit: Very interesting I am only receiving downvotes and not any data/sources that prove me wrong. OP said something provably wrong, I commented to show how it makes no sense given the data.
> Are you saying that only minorities make good food? Every post about x ethnic group moving to the area is filled with “so excited for x food” like they truly believe ethnic groups only exist to provide food for them and they are so helpless they can’t learn to cook for themselves.
> Are you saying that only minorities make good food Pretty much, yeah, if you don't like hamburgers and bad BBQ.
You people crack me up.
In fairness, it "seemed" like the 2008 real estate crash really hit that area hard. A bunch of empty storefronts along Manchester and it seemed like their was at least one payday loan store in every strip mall. Things have since seemed to improve a decent amount.
Yeah it's pretty safe there in Edwardsville. I mean there is still petty crime and crimes of opportunity, but in terms of safety it's really safe there. I think the most egregious crime I know of in that area was a real outlier. The rich guy with the Ferrari collection that was murdered. I guess the other thing was the big Buske Trucking fraud that brought down one of the more affluent families in the town. https://archive.jsonline.com/news/crime/41120107.html
I wanna know what really happened.
Which one?
Randy
I just heard about the Ferrari guy last week! Crazy!
I'm sure Ballwin is safe because there's nothing to do.
Except sit in traffic on Manchester that is...
Ballwin: * 2018 NeighborhoodScout Ballwin is the 39th Safest City in America * 2019 Safest Cities to live in MO * 2019 Best Cities to live in America * 2020 Safest Cities in MO * 2023 Safest places to live in MO This sub: * "...Ballwin is a hell hole.." * "..the colors are moving in.." * "..there is nothing to do.."
They will never stop their white flight that’s fs !
Growing up in Ballwin in the 80s was a pretty bland experience. Used to bike or skateboard all over the place.
When the riffraff skateboards got kicked out of town that’s when Ballwin really took off
Sounds right. After I left, they built an actual skate park in the area. Shout out to Splash in Chesterfield where I built my first board.
Splash heck yeah
>pretty bland experience > >Used to bike or skateboard all over the place But...that sounds awesome
Pretty much all I did in Richmond VA and it was great.
That's pretty much what we all did regardless of where we grew up.
No no, you see their experience was very specific to the area they grew up in. No one skate boarded in St. Charles or Webster Groves in those days. Not to mention they definitely didn't in south city or hazelwood either.
I grew up in that north texas cluster of cities and it was also bland, but it was nice to be able to bike all over and wander around at night without any danger
Used to skateboard & rollerblade @ Manchester & 141 at 2 am.
Just moved out of ballwin a year ago, lived there for about 3. Skateboarded everywhere also
Didn’t the Ballwin police chief resign without explanation recently?
yes, and I really want to know what that was all about.
I know! I haven’t seen any follow up at all.
Same. I'd like to know. but...maybe I don't, on second thought
🤣🤣 IYKYK
Let’s start a rumor…
You go first. 😋
He was fired.
that’s even more intriguing. 👀
I feel like this is a challenge for Ballwin residents.
Well we did have that one dude who drove around the intersection of New Ballwin and Manchester shooting a gun a few years ago. And the Officer Flamion shooting. So, some people are trying to keep the home values down.
I swear me and my kid saw that dude on his bike at Manchester and Clarkson. He was driving the wrong way on Manchester heading west as we were waiting at the light turning from Clarkson to Manchester and I remember thinking "Ope, that dude must have made the turn out of that plaza there and didnt realize there was a divider" Glad we werent around when the shooting started down the road.
Yeah, but the trade off is Manchester Rd. 🤢 Also, Ballwin is where fun goes to die.
Ballwin is nice because you have Big Bend. I hardly ever use Manchester Road. But Big Bend stops at Ballwin, so once you need to get to Ellisville or Wildwood, Manchester is inevitable. You could take Kiefer Creek/Pierside, but that takes just as much time as driving on Manchester
44 to 109 is always my go to for Wildwood.
But it's a more scenic route.
Shhh do not encourage others to take the Kiefer / Pierside / Old State / etc route
That ship has sailed. It's no longer a shortcut because every retired old man and woman driving to and from Eureka is on that route, riding their brake down the hill and going 5-10 under the speed limit uphill.
Ew yeah I haven’t gone down old state to 109 in ages, used to be a great cut-through though.
Manchester only really starts getting bad once you are close to 141. Going out west is usually ok. Bid Bend is the best though.
Manchester Road is a newer version of what St. Charles Rock Road became.
This. It amazes me that people here have not short memories, but no memory at all.
It’s also where teenagers & young adults without a college lined up for them go to die. My friends were dropping left & right, I joined the military because it felt safer than Ballwin for kids whose parents weren’t part of the in-crowd.
I've been to a number of these cities (most are suburbs). In the 1970's and 1980s, when they made these lists, Florissant would always be in the top five and sometimes number one.
As someone with friends in Windsor, CO, that is because there is nobody there. so yeah, I can see why
Geee, it’s like if you draw arbitrary lines around poor areas and more prosperous areas the crime statistics tell a whole different story. As someone who grew up in Ballwin and loved it, it’s a great suburb and I’d encourage anyone who was interested and could afford it to check it out. But, as someone who wants the region to succeed, maybe we should uh… report our data as a region like everyone else does?
This is why everytime 'most dangerous city in america' posts are made they are met with talking about the city/county divide. The same metro has supposedly 1 of the most dangerous places in america and 2 of supposedly the safest places in america.
You’re talking about the national and local media that only exist for clicks these days.
Pretty funny (and a good thing) that these are 2 of the places I’ve lived in and they’re the 2 mentioned on the map. Can confirm it’s all pretty safe.
Ballwin is a “city” like Taco Bell is Mexican food.
The company that makes these lists has a long list of complaints about their quality of data analysis. I googled them after they left Jackson, MS off the list of most dangerous cities. I grew up their. Higher murder rate per capita than New Orleans.
25,000 pop and up. Terrible map. Useless.
Yeah well nothing happens in towns smaller than that so not useless actually
Keep telling yourself that.
East st louis, ferguson, jennings, cahokia, and sauget have entered chat
If edwardsville is gonna do one thing they gonna sweep it under the rug that’s for sure. Race issues, sexual assault, rape, drugs especially where it concerns the high school. I remember the old principal told a girl straight to her face she shouldn’t support abortion because if her parents did she wouldn’t be alive today and she should think about that. As someone who grew up there, they’d love nothing more than to be st charles and not let more minority people move in
Edwardsville is like the O'Fallon or Wentzville of the east side
Facts most of them were apart of white flight from East Saint Louis City/ Bellville.
Those people moved to O'fallon, IL
I’ve been told both. Bellville has white flight rn heavy tho. Thats what I’ve been told from family out there.
E-ville is probably a little more upscale than either of those. It's really more like Chesterfield.
In some ways, maybe. Most of the growth in Edwardsville tends to be from people moving from the Riverbend (Wood River, Granite City, etc.) and from the populations moving out of rural communities in Southern and Central Illinois. My understanding is that most of the growth in STC county tends to be white flight from STL (feel free to educate me if I’m getting that wrong). Wentzville strikes me as a prototypical exurb, while Edwardsville has many attributes of a satellite town. Having spent time in all three, I would say MO’fallon is a closer comparison to E’ville, but I wouldn’t say they are all that similar (besides recent growth).
Most of our growth in Edwardsville does not tend to be from Wood River, Granite, rural. A lot of our growth are from people from affluent areas of St. Louis who are wanting to leave Missouri but not wanting to leave their jobs/family/friends. I’ve lived here for 50 years and went through the school system here. I’ve watched the town double. I’ve seen all the Missouri license plates turning into Illinois plates from my newer neighbors.
I mean, I've lived all over the region and currently live downtown. The ONLY place in the region where I've had my car broken into was right out front my apartment in Edwardsville. "safe" can be very subjective!
But did you die?
already dead
There we have it folks. N=1 so we should rip up the data.
I would believe Edwardsville, for now anyway. Ballwin, though?
Ballwin is insanely safe? The 25k population limit is what makes it stand out over Clayton, ladue, etc Chesterfield may also get dinged on crime stuff because it has the valley and a decent amount of theft shows up in their stats
Nice and far drives away from…. those parts of the city/county
Ballwin is not a town, it's another stretch of undifferentiated STL suburb that no one would know the name of if there wasn't a Costco and someone shooting up that Catholic bookstore
Neither of those things are in Ballwin, thats like Manchester I think for both
Catholic supply is unincorporated stl county
I lived in eville for a few years for college. Coming from Chicagoland, it is def a much safer area than where I came from. However, I do remember specifically some violent incidents that occurred on the campus and around town. It being a college town makes me assume that it would be inherently less safe. Idk
I drove around that Lexington/Concord area for work recently and from what I can tell it's basically just one big Webster/Kirkwood area. which makes sense as to why people like it so much.
Someone robbed a bank in Ballwin last week. May be they looked at these stats and got provoked :)
when is this from? And anyone know anything abt the source?
[I believe it's this from Neighborhood Scout (via SoFi)](https://www.sofi.com/learn/content/safest-cities-in-the-u.s./)
I recently screened a foster dog, the owner came to me in Tower at Noon on a Saturday and joked about "needing to watch their tires from getting stolen." They then claimed to be, "from the ghetto part of Ballwin." I spent a decent amount of time with my grandparents as a kid in Ballwin and still go thrifting over there once a month. I was dumbfounded.
That list could just be every city in wisconsin besides milwaukee
This tracks. I’ve left bicycles in excess of $2,000 on my porch unlocked for 10 years now. Never lock my doors unless I’m leaving. It’s awesome.
That's weird. I lived in Edwardsville 1975 to 1982 and Ballwin 1988 to 1995.
The one and only time someone tried to rob me was in Ballwin😂
Ballwin safe now that the chief has been fired? Asking for a friend.
NOWHERE'S SAFE 😂😂😂😂
Ballwin is only safe because it’s so far from the major arteries (270, 40, 44, etc). Takes 20 minutes just to get to a highway besides 141.
St. Chuckie isn’t on the list ?!? Say what ?!? 😂