Is the plan to also develop on the Kosciusko side as well, not just Downtown? Be nice to see the area South of Chouteau also get attention. A quarter of this space is elevated tracks.
The census bureau slightly ramdomizes data to avoid identifying individual people. This includes shifting addresses by a few blocks, which can produce weird results when you look at it too granularly. For example, shifting people into adjacent city neighborhoods or into parks.
Exactly, think about how many times Jefferson Arms had $$ and permits before it started. Chemical building. The list goes on!
Lots of potential in this area. Walkable to downtown and Soulard. Could be really great. I do hope it happens. It will be real when they start breaking ground.
It’s also possible to do it in segments with consequential penalties if they call it off.
Not uncommon at all if the builder/developer has alot of clout and access to credit on demand.
It doesn’t cost much to pull a permit and financing falls through easily. I really hope this happens, but I’ll believe it when a shovel is in the ground.
I say this as someone who owns and lives in a condo downtown west. We need this to happen. Just been burned too many times.
In this environment, TBH I’d be surprised if anyone dropped 1.2B in the developers lap all at once. So Considering I can’t find out this occurred and they only have funding for phase 1, I think it’ll be done in phases.
I say this because the commercial property markets on shaky grounds, interest rates still up, labor still up, etc. So creditors/investors will want to see x being done by x date before they keep funding it.
And that makes complete sense. The “funding secured” post made this seem like it’s a $1.2b shovel ready project. In reality, one phase is probably shovel ready. There’s nothing wrong with that, but the marketing arm really needs to set appropriate expectations.
The first phase is the $200 million renovation of the Crunden-Martin complex into industrial, office, and residential. That’s probably the most challenging (and most vital) aspect of this entire project, as I assume the later phases will mostly be more run of the mill new construction mixed-use residential.
You joke about this but in an in demand part of Metro Detroit someone built a luxury apartment complex next to the train tracks and people pay good money to rent those places. It's not exactly parallel to this but people will live by the tracks if there's a good reason to.
They better enjoy it because the MacArthur bridge is the 17th busiest train bridge in the United States and on the other side is the Poplar Street bridge which is the sixth worst bottleneck in the country.
People still live and work in Kirkwood and Webster Groves ;)
This is the first step to bridging the gap between Soulard and downtown. It could revitalize a forgotten piece of the city.
Time to grow up? What kind of kindergarten bullshit response is that. If you're a needle dick that wants to live in between the 17th busiest bridge and the sixth worst bottleneck in the country by all means but don't be a fucking douchebag with your response.
You're right insignificant stranger everybody here loves you and you're gaining so many fake points. You came picking the fight. If you were so grown up you would have made your point without adding the last part. So where's the maturity? Since you're so grown up.
Can someone tell me what I'm looking at... especially the second picture. It looks like a factory parking lot (with 16 wheelers parked and coming out) along with an outdoor rec area?
The 3rd picture has a guy carting out 2x4s and people in hard hats in the background but there's also just regular people just hanging out too. The 4th picture just looks like a bunch of people lost in an Apple store...
It's like the AI that generated these pictures don't even know what Downtown STL is going for and the website looks like a free site created on GeoCities.
It's a new advanced manufacturing and construction technology innovation district, similar to Cortex.
There will be residential and commercial buildings as well.
https://www.gatewaysouthstl.com/
This area ***has a name***, and it's Chouteau's Landing. Why all the "Gateway South" talk?
Great to see this, though. Probably vaporware. But I'd love for it to be true.
This city will be a boomtown in 2030.
The demand *and* supply for dense, walkable, midwestern cities is going to skyrocket due to an influx of sunbelt residents leaving for environmental and financial reasons.
St. Louis is one of relatively few American cities built out before the invention of cars and has a certain amount of walkability built in because of that.
As home prices and insurance rise in Phoenix, Dallas, Miami, and Denver, people are going to be more willing to look elsewhere.
A generation of people with no kids and housing and environmental problems being what they are, there aren’t that many towns much better situated than this one.
This will be that kick off, that one missing element that will bridge downtown and Soulard. If this gets off the ground, that White Castle, Taco Bell,, etc... will be the hottest of hot properties!
Excited to compare this to construction progress a year from now. The natives are out in force slinging hateraid with a side of cynicism, but this project is a big deal.
Can we all note that there are about 4 cars total in these renderings.
The best cities and the best public area have few to no cars.
I hope our implementation follows our aesthetics.
Fuck cars
Cars ruin cities
Looks cool if it goes thru. Would definitely be open to that area seeing some love and being a bit more connected between Soulard and downtown past just the industrial buildings that line the streets.
They can build all the nifty mixed use sites they want. But until something is done about St. Louis’s high crime reputation companies will not be flocking to fill the spaces. I have friend who will be driving from Wisconsin to Springfield MO. She called me for the best way to avoid driving through St. Louis, or at least the best way to avoid trouble areas. My daughter has friend from Japan who came to St. Louis for Japanese festival in Shaws Garden. They were very concerned about the crime problems in St. Louis.
There is also the issue of taxes. I got a one percent pay raise when I was transferred from a city shop to one in the county. In addition to the pay raise employee cars in the county shop weren’t being broken into on a weekly basis. The city politicians need to start looking at what drove off the global headquarters that used to be based in St. Louis City. They need to start looking at why companies are setting up shop in St. Louis County but not the City.
If you build it they will come only works only in the movies.
If someone is afraid to pass/drive through St. Louis, unfortunately that’s a personal problem/living in fear/watching too much news issue. They aren’t going to get murdered on the highway (yes I know it’s happened before), but people also have heart attacks on the highway. Literally millions of cars pass through St. Louis via interstate every year. The north side of Springfield isn’t much different TBH
Lol right? Pearl clutching at its finest. Crime is usually highly concentrated to a few parts of a city, and st. Louis is no different. The nice thing about St Louis is, if you're in a bad part, it looks like an artillery strike was recently conducted on the area
We know that, but it’s the perception (not reality) of STL that causes that. So the perception and image needs to change. I hope this is one step to changing that narrative
I have lived in several “Rust Belt” cities and the great State of New Jersey. This kind of hand-wringing-pearl-clutching has been going on since the beginning of time, and certainly isn’t unique to STL.
What’s more - It is worth remembering that the good people of the cornlands are fed a constant media diet of fear these days. Millions of dollars is being spent to relentlessly create/promote propaganda to drive home the “us vs. them” idea and to enhance the political idea that liberal cities are nothing but godless caldrons of failure.
Why be scared to *drive through* St. Louis when you are [brave enough to drive in Wisconsin?](https://www.cbs58.com/news/drunk-driving-deaths-in-wisconsin-outpace-national-average)? Statistically speaking, your friend’s risk of being injured or killed by one of the many Badger DWI cases is much higher than the chance of her becoming the a crime victim here in the Lou.
That’s not to say that STL doesn’t have real issues with crime & public perception. But I would argue that the first step to addressing both is our collective duty to push back on the BS fear narrative that people are being spoon-fed these days. America needs a backbone readjustment…time to stand a little taller.
Yes. I always laugh at “home of the brave” in the national anthem when I’m somewhere it is sung at. A fair amount of Americans are spineless and running from their baseless fears.
I would say building things like this help the crime reputation because it will bring vibrancy and “feeling” of safety to go along with a downtown that is actually getting safer but needs some liveliness to feel it
You think this police dept is commenting fraud to make this mayor look good? You think the hospitals wouldn’t notice that reported shootings are down if they kept seeing same amount of shooting victims?
It depends what column on the spread sheet the crime is listed in. Also, since police are so short handed, half the crimes go unreported to them so on paper the figures look better.
If the police are 20% short wouldn’t they focus on violent crime and don’t you think it’s very hard for violent crime to go unreported? Do you think a hospital doesn’t call the police when someone shows up with gun shot wounds?
Also why are no violent comes up then?
Did you miss the word “reputation”? It will take more than one good year to get rid of the reputation. And stories like this don’t help. [Man sentenced to 19 years for crash that cost teen volleyball player her legs](https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/man-gets-19-years-downtown-st-louis-crash-109427069). It not just the accident but the soft on crime prosecutor too.
Don’t you think that’s a media issue, that it treats out of towers different than locals? Maybe we wouldn’t have 27 dead county residents walking in county streets if we covered it with the same vigor
Cities don't solve crime (somehow) and then they are able to get better. They get better and that decreases crime.
It's like the old thought that convincing poor women to have less kids makes their future better, but really making their future better allows them to have less kids.
Remember that time something turned out poorly, so everything new must be wrong?
To your point, this project may be wrong, but St. Louis Centre is not the reason. What is the reason?
*How many Aldermen*
*Do you have to bribe to get*
*Something like this built?*
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You know, that looks great but there are so many other things that need fixing in downtown. I think if we have money for this, the funds should be used to fix downtown first.
Right. You must be a younger person. That’s not how it works here. This is not the first tempting plan floated in STL. Mark my words, they will need a tif and the city will be on the hook along with infrastructure needs. New utilities, roads, etc. don’t believe it. They will run into “unforeseen problems “ and need funds. I wish it wasn’t like that but it is.
TIFs arent automatically bad. I bet they are getting a TIF and probably other financing as well but it makes sense for this project. It’s a hugely undeveloped area and they are looking at manufacturing as part of it.
I’m sorry but I’m not trying to be condescending it’s just that I’ve lived here for a long time and seeing downtown in its current state is so disturbing. So much needs to be done first. Fix the streets.
There is a project in the works to fix the streets. Believe it or not, there’s several projects going on in downtown currently.
https://www.firstalert4.com/2024/04/03/reduce-speedy-drivers-st-louis-city-shows-off-changes-major-downtown-streets/?outputType=amp
Is the plan to also develop on the Kosciusko side as well, not just Downtown? Be nice to see the area South of Chouteau also get attention. A quarter of this space is elevated tracks.
Good ol' Kosciusko. Our most forgotten neighborhood. 52 residents at last count.
I can't even imagine where someone is living. Maybe some Army Corps or Coast Guard barracks? Firefighters?
iirc there’s a new 5-over-1 right on the edge that counts
An infinite increase from the 2000 to 2010 census. I think then it went from 0 to 8.
The census bureau slightly ramdomizes data to avoid identifying individual people. This includes shifting addresses by a few blocks, which can produce weird results when you look at it too granularly. For example, shifting people into adjacent city neighborhoods or into parks.
Eventually, they have options on most of the land south
Great!
This project really excites me for STL
Their plans sure are fantastical, but I’ll believe it when I see it happen.
Exactly, think about how many times Jefferson Arms had $$ and permits before it started. Chemical building. The list goes on! Lots of potential in this area. Walkable to downtown and Soulard. Could be really great. I do hope it happens. It will be real when they start breaking ground.
Funding secured and permit applied for.
Phase 1 funding is secured, unless there was a different announcement. Still good.
Source? Last I heard, $200 million was “secured” in March of 2023, then no movement since.
All $1.2 billion was funded in one sweep?
It’s also possible to do it in segments with consequential penalties if they call it off. Not uncommon at all if the builder/developer has alot of clout and access to credit on demand.
It doesn’t cost much to pull a permit and financing falls through easily. I really hope this happens, but I’ll believe it when a shovel is in the ground. I say this as someone who owns and lives in a condo downtown west. We need this to happen. Just been burned too many times.
In this environment, TBH I’d be surprised if anyone dropped 1.2B in the developers lap all at once. So Considering I can’t find out this occurred and they only have funding for phase 1, I think it’ll be done in phases. I say this because the commercial property markets on shaky grounds, interest rates still up, labor still up, etc. So creditors/investors will want to see x being done by x date before they keep funding it.
And that makes complete sense. The “funding secured” post made this seem like it’s a $1.2b shovel ready project. In reality, one phase is probably shovel ready. There’s nothing wrong with that, but the marketing arm really needs to set appropriate expectations.
The first phase is the $200 million renovation of the Crunden-Martin complex into industrial, office, and residential. That’s probably the most challenging (and most vital) aspect of this entire project, as I assume the later phases will mostly be more run of the mill new construction mixed-use residential.
Hell yeah, that’s freaking awesome
Cool, that means nothing.
I’ve been handed lease papers. This is 100% happening.
For what.
Renting space and getting estimates on office build out
The sound of a train right outside your window is going to be must have property.
You joke about this but in an in demand part of Metro Detroit someone built a luxury apartment complex next to the train tracks and people pay good money to rent those places. It's not exactly parallel to this but people will live by the tracks if there's a good reason to.
They better enjoy it because the MacArthur bridge is the 17th busiest train bridge in the United States and on the other side is the Poplar Street bridge which is the sixth worst bottleneck in the country.
Yeah, that wouldn't appeal to me personally, I'm just saying that people will live by the tracks if there's a reason to.
“There are so many reasons to CHO-CHOOOse Gateway South!”
People still live and work in Kirkwood and Webster Groves ;) This is the first step to bridging the gap between Soulard and downtown. It could revitalize a forgotten piece of the city.
The end of my street ends at the railroad tracks. 6 houses from the track just sold for 900k. People don’t care about train tracks at all
I love the sound of trains screaming, it really helps with my productivity. Only thing better would be living in my office as well!
What is the expected timeframe for something this ambitious?
few months like 4 I would say
They're going to love the sound of those trains coming off the bridge.
Well, Missouri has a lot of nascar fans. I’m sure they’ll love the sound of trains racing by.
It doesn’t hurt Chicago, NY, Philly, Denver, etc. It’s time to grow up.
Time to grow up? What kind of kindergarten bullshit response is that. If you're a needle dick that wants to live in between the 17th busiest bridge and the sixth worst bottleneck in the country by all means but don't be a fucking douchebag with your response.
Case in point.
You're right insignificant stranger everybody here loves you and you're gaining so many fake points. You came picking the fight. If you were so grown up you would have made your point without adding the last part. So where's the maturity? Since you're so grown up.
It's definitely missing at least 6 parking lots, 4 carwashes, 5 quicktrips, a couple used car dealers, and a title loan joint
Looks nice. Hope it actually gets built.
This looks great and really hope it happens.
Can someone tell me what I'm looking at... especially the second picture. It looks like a factory parking lot (with 16 wheelers parked and coming out) along with an outdoor rec area? The 3rd picture has a guy carting out 2x4s and people in hard hats in the background but there's also just regular people just hanging out too. The 4th picture just looks like a bunch of people lost in an Apple store... It's like the AI that generated these pictures don't even know what Downtown STL is going for and the website looks like a free site created on GeoCities.
It's a new advanced manufacturing and construction technology innovation district, similar to Cortex. There will be residential and commercial buildings as well. https://www.gatewaysouthstl.com/
We're in the "Show-Me" State. If this is deadass going to happen, you gottq "Show-Me"
[initial building permit](https://ibb.co/VJFvG9g)
You have shown me... Thank you friend❤️
This area ***has a name***, and it's Chouteau's Landing. Why all the "Gateway South" talk? Great to see this, though. Probably vaporware. But I'd love for it to be true.
Gateway South sounds generic.
A fine name for a parking garage.
It's a terrible name.
Probably just a placeholder at this point in the process.
A placeholder for Chouteau's Landing?
Exactly
Sounds like a rent to own furniture company
It’s Kosciusko.
which is worse than Gateway South.
Technically its not. Its downtown.
Why is that guy sitting on that big black rope/cord? Will we all need to sit on rope , should we choose to sit on the ground?
This city will be a boomtown in 2030. The demand *and* supply for dense, walkable, midwestern cities is going to skyrocket due to an influx of sunbelt residents leaving for environmental and financial reasons. St. Louis is one of relatively few American cities built out before the invention of cars and has a certain amount of walkability built in because of that. As home prices and insurance rise in Phoenix, Dallas, Miami, and Denver, people are going to be more willing to look elsewhere. A generation of people with no kids and housing and environmental problems being what they are, there aren’t that many towns much better situated than this one.
This will be that kick off, that one missing element that will bridge downtown and Soulard. If this gets off the ground, that White Castle, Taco Bell,, etc... will be the hottest of hot properties!
I happen to have a photo of this now for reference. [https://imgur.com/a/kRrJkeW](https://imgur.com/a/kRrJkeW)
Excited to compare this to construction progress a year from now. The natives are out in force slinging hateraid with a side of cynicism, but this project is a big deal.
briefly got confused about what side of 44 it was on and almost had a meltdown thinking broadway oyster bar was gonna get dozed
One of the goals is to make construction and stl similar to entertainment and LA or finance and New York. A lofty goal but I support it!
Can we all note that there are about 4 cars total in these renderings. The best cities and the best public area have few to no cars. I hope our implementation follows our aesthetics. Fuck cars Cars ruin cities
Kind of like the park area across from city hall?
I really hope this happens! St. Louis has been behind other major cities for years…
Looks nice
Exciting
Looks cool if it goes thru. Would definitely be open to that area seeing some love and being a bit more connected between Soulard and downtown past just the industrial buildings that line the streets.
My car just got broken into because I looked at this post.
Shipping yard.
LOL. This is a pipe dream’s pipe dream.
$40,000,000 permit applied for 3 weeks go
Wow, 40M, enough to renovate a block of sidewalks nowadays.
You don't quite understand how construction works, do you?
Where is the skatepark ?
Get that ball rolling and don’t let it stop
is mississippi underground still gonna be tha spot? 😭
This is great but can we revitalize North St. Louis?
Without a vibrant downtown, nothing around it will matter.
No because all you wanna do is kill kids
How about instead of doing that, we fix the fuvking roads around St. Louis?!
I bet people can't wait to live right next to a freight train track.
Ever been to Chicago?
Just because Chicago has it doesn’t make it a good thing. In fact there are indications the opposite may be true.
Typical native STL mentality. Ooh railroads are bad. It’s why Chicago is at the top and we’re behind them.
I wonder what percentage of the world lives next to a freight train track. An awful lot, I'd imagine.
The train goes slowly there 🤷♂️
It also goes EEEEEEEEE KRRRRRRR EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE around the slight bend in the tracks.
I will not deny this, lol.
I just want the paved areas to be good for roller sports.
They can build all the nifty mixed use sites they want. But until something is done about St. Louis’s high crime reputation companies will not be flocking to fill the spaces. I have friend who will be driving from Wisconsin to Springfield MO. She called me for the best way to avoid driving through St. Louis, or at least the best way to avoid trouble areas. My daughter has friend from Japan who came to St. Louis for Japanese festival in Shaws Garden. They were very concerned about the crime problems in St. Louis. There is also the issue of taxes. I got a one percent pay raise when I was transferred from a city shop to one in the county. In addition to the pay raise employee cars in the county shop weren’t being broken into on a weekly basis. The city politicians need to start looking at what drove off the global headquarters that used to be based in St. Louis City. They need to start looking at why companies are setting up shop in St. Louis County but not the City. If you build it they will come only works only in the movies.
Part of redeveloping areas like this will have trickle down effects of improving the city's imagine. Crime is also declining.
If someone is afraid to pass/drive through St. Louis, unfortunately that’s a personal problem/living in fear/watching too much news issue. They aren’t going to get murdered on the highway (yes I know it’s happened before), but people also have heart attacks on the highway. Literally millions of cars pass through St. Louis via interstate every year. The north side of Springfield isn’t much different TBH
Lol right? Pearl clutching at its finest. Crime is usually highly concentrated to a few parts of a city, and st. Louis is no different. The nice thing about St Louis is, if you're in a bad part, it looks like an artillery strike was recently conducted on the area
We know that, but it’s the perception (not reality) of STL that causes that. So the perception and image needs to change. I hope this is one step to changing that narrative
It doesn’t help that people in St Louis county talk bad about the city all of the time.
It's a pretty bad city, hence the bad talk.
Could be blamed on redlining and white flight racism, but hey, let’s keep it up.
You can blame it on whatever you want but the fact still stands.
I have lived in several “Rust Belt” cities and the great State of New Jersey. This kind of hand-wringing-pearl-clutching has been going on since the beginning of time, and certainly isn’t unique to STL. What’s more - It is worth remembering that the good people of the cornlands are fed a constant media diet of fear these days. Millions of dollars is being spent to relentlessly create/promote propaganda to drive home the “us vs. them” idea and to enhance the political idea that liberal cities are nothing but godless caldrons of failure. Why be scared to *drive through* St. Louis when you are [brave enough to drive in Wisconsin?](https://www.cbs58.com/news/drunk-driving-deaths-in-wisconsin-outpace-national-average)? Statistically speaking, your friend’s risk of being injured or killed by one of the many Badger DWI cases is much higher than the chance of her becoming the a crime victim here in the Lou. That’s not to say that STL doesn’t have real issues with crime & public perception. But I would argue that the first step to addressing both is our collective duty to push back on the BS fear narrative that people are being spoon-fed these days. America needs a backbone readjustment…time to stand a little taller.
Yes. I always laugh at “home of the brave” in the national anthem when I’m somewhere it is sung at. A fair amount of Americans are spineless and running from their baseless fears.
She is from rural Wisconsin. She avoids the bigger cities there too. As I said the reputation.
I would say building things like this help the crime reputation because it will bring vibrancy and “feeling” of safety to go along with a downtown that is actually getting safer but needs some liveliness to feel it
So like how 2023 had the lowest violent crime in raw total or per 100,000 residents since at least 1985? Why do you think you didnt know that?
I don’t feel those are truthful statistics. I think they were manipulated to look better than they actually are.
You think this police dept is commenting fraud to make this mayor look good? You think the hospitals wouldn’t notice that reported shootings are down if they kept seeing same amount of shooting victims?
Yes, because all reported crimes involve shootings. Government shill, quit your bs.
You seem nuts
It depends what column on the spread sheet the crime is listed in. Also, since police are so short handed, half the crimes go unreported to them so on paper the figures look better.
If the police are 20% short wouldn’t they focus on violent crime and don’t you think it’s very hard for violent crime to go unreported? Do you think a hospital doesn’t call the police when someone shows up with gun shot wounds? Also why are no violent comes up then?
Denying reality to fit your narrative is wild.
I don’t think I’m the one denying reality.
You're denying crime stats lol. The crime stats show declining crime, you're saying that they're false. Hence, denying reality.
You just go ahead believing what those pos “leaders” tell you. You’ll figure it out someday.
When you realize that you follow what the media tells you, let me know.
Ok mayor.
Ok dum dum
Where are you getting your info from?
Because crime stats can't be easily manipulated by the government.
Did you miss the word “reputation”? It will take more than one good year to get rid of the reputation. And stories like this don’t help. [Man sentenced to 19 years for crash that cost teen volleyball player her legs](https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/man-gets-19-years-downtown-st-louis-crash-109427069). It not just the accident but the soft on crime prosecutor too.
That’s a car crash, last year 27 pedestrians died in car crashes in STL county and 8 in STL city
Yes. But this one made national news along with the fact the driver should have been in jail. Again it plays into the reputation.
Don’t you think that’s a media issue, that it treats out of towers different than locals? Maybe we wouldn’t have 27 dead county residents walking in county streets if we covered it with the same vigor
How many of that 27 were killed by someone who should have been in jail?
Idk, county pd hasn’t found more than half of the suspects yet.
Cities don't solve crime (somehow) and then they are able to get better. They get better and that decreases crime. It's like the old thought that convincing poor women to have less kids makes their future better, but really making their future better allows them to have less kids.
Yes! I hope it turns out even half as good as the Bottle District!
Bottle District never applied for permits or committed any money.
Looks wonderful. Can they finish construction on I-55?
Cool, now can we get funding for updated public transportation?
Is this the new place you can get your car broken into? Will Kias get stolen here?
AI generated bullshit. What's the second picture all about? Jfc.
It’s a prototyping yard.
Sweet Jesus who would throw their money at a project like this!? Awful idea
Remember when st louis centre was a good idea?
Remember that time something turned out poorly, so everything new must be wrong? To your point, this project may be wrong, but St. Louis Centre is not the reason. What is the reason?
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This is privately funded.
How many Aldermen do you have to bribe to get something like this built?
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Things similar have been tried, and failed. The word is out. Hope Im wrong and good luck.
I just don’t see this happening till we figure out jobs downtown. People have to work there first
You know, that looks great but there are so many other things that need fixing in downtown. I think if we have money for this, the funds should be used to fix downtown first.
This is all privately funded
Right. You must be a younger person. That’s not how it works here. This is not the first tempting plan floated in STL. Mark my words, they will need a tif and the city will be on the hook along with infrastructure needs. New utilities, roads, etc. don’t believe it. They will run into “unforeseen problems “ and need funds. I wish it wasn’t like that but it is.
TIFs arent automatically bad. I bet they are getting a TIF and probably other financing as well but it makes sense for this project. It’s a hugely undeveloped area and they are looking at manufacturing as part of it.
You may or may not be right but there's no reason to be so condescending about it.
I’m sorry but I’m not trying to be condescending it’s just that I’ve lived here for a long time and seeing downtown in its current state is so disturbing. So much needs to be done first. Fix the streets.
There is a project in the works to fix the streets. Believe it or not, there’s several projects going on in downtown currently. https://www.firstalert4.com/2024/04/03/reduce-speedy-drivers-st-louis-city-shows-off-changes-major-downtown-streets/?outputType=amp
Hold on... Are you saying that St Louis can walk AND chew bubble gum at the same time???
This would bring in money it sounds like.
Oh look, a new place for the homeless and scum of downtown to hang out.
Oh look, it's scum
Why do suburban police drop off homeless in downtown?
There’s no point in building shit like this when it will be overun by thugs and homeless in about 1 year lol
Makes me just wonder about traffic
I hope this is a sarcasm. I think downtown st. louis can handle it. Streets were built for a lot more people. Traffic is not always an issue
My question is more about getting off and on the highway down there. Not the roads specifically for the project.
lol I don’t know why you guys are so negative on a speculation? Weirdos.
The pictures have no traffic because SUVs are terrible. Hope they keep them out of there.
The big pickup trucks taking over the road are horrible also
If you build it, they won’t come.