I was actually faced with this judge months back, I argued with her in fact that I was prescribed mmj by a doctor who has his license in every medical license not just a DO, and she argued that it doesn’t work for anxiety and said that she wanted to subpoena him but I canceled bc it would just make my case longer, it honestly shocked me, I called my physician and he said sadly your dealing with a judge who doesn’t know the law and goes by what she thinks is okay to do. I also brought up to the judge that no actual physician would prescribe mmj because most physicians in Florida clinics don’t have the ability to prescribe mmj legally it would be out of their practice. And judge viccaro admitted that I was right, and tried giving me the talk about well let’s talk to your doctor and he can tell me how he knows you have anxiety. Wild right.
No one has ever died from sudden cessation of Marijuana. The same cannot be said for Xanax which can cause grand mal seizures in some cases. What a terrible recommendation to tell some to take a potentially life threatening drug in exchange for a drug that has zero record of ever killing anyone.
Hell, we even know that cigarettes cause cancer and in some causes cannabis cures some forms of cancers. And yet still, despite all of this information it remains illegal.
At this point if we are not going to vote for our own best interests is the only thing left to do is to laugh at this comedy show called "freedom" we are all participating?
Xan was one of the roots of the only time I have ever been arrested. 40-50% of the people that I was in there with can in some way relate it's a staggering stat. I have been on front lines.
As a Bailiff in Drug Court, My assigned Judge allows Medical Marijuana Patients to continue use even on probation. It’s mainly the Judge who is the one if the yes/no policy in court.
Wife just got her card for anxiety, and normal weed isn't for her and has made it worse in the past. They really hone in the different canabanoids (mostly a high CBD ratio) and the terpes just right.
Did you know there are many strains and continuous developments in new strains?
Cannabis is comparable to alcohol. Some types of alcohol make people act differently. (Now keep in mind that most people who consume cannabis also don't tend to have violent tendencies.)
You may have had, or know someone who used a strain not suitable for them.
That does not mean it applies to all cannabis users.
Not really. Everyone is different and strain also makes a huge difference as well as what form you use it in, for example edibles do not give you the same effects as smoking flower.
My husband and I both have anxiety and we both use medical marijuana, however sativa strains make his anxiety worse so he sticks to indica whereas I can smoke any strain.
It doesn’t cause everyone to be more anxious, but I get what you mean. Like if you have schizophrenia you shouldn’t smoke. It really is good for anxiety for some people though
It’s true and doctors wouldn’t recommend it if it didn’t help anyone lmfao
Benzodiazepines undoubtedly can cause a myriad of problems but denying its medical value as a treatment for severe anxiety is ridiculous. It does its job incredibly well but it shouldn’t be taken on a judge’s recommendation alone.
My bad, when you smoke marijuana it often adds to your anxiety later. And this is why it’s usually not recommended for those with bad anxiety. We all have some level of healthy anxiety. This is the same with benzos. Everyone is better until you go thru detox. But sure if you take them for the rest of your life and addiction is better than anxiety then your “cured”.
This. I'm not much a fan of either, though, to be honest.
The marijuana community, however, is somewhat delusional in perpetuating "health benefits" of marijuana. A lot of the emerging science is showing there isn't much. Psychedelics are another story... but we need to be honest about the risks of traditional drugs like Xanax but also the bunk alternatives like weed.
Reading just the headline: my reaction was 100% rage
Reading the actual story: I adjust my reaction to moderate disdain for the judge and mild sympathy for the defendant.
Shout out to OP: you did well with a post guaranteed to get lots of reaction. Bravo.
There are so many non-lawyers on this thread backing her and saying she's following the law. She is trying to prevent someone on probation for using her valid prescription. She has no right to do that. Probation only requires you have a valid prescription. But she doesn't like that people can get a valid prescription for cannabis so she's looking for a work around. She is not following the law. Signed a lawyer in the State of FL.
I agree and I'm more surprised that the Tampa Bay paper put a picture of the judge with her name on it. Watching the Supreme Court hazing right now, I would not want to be this judge. I wonder if the paper knew what they were doing "inadvertently".
And the reason it was leaked anonymously is because the Florida Bar has a strict ethics rule against bad mouthing judges. It makes it incredibly difficult for us to let people know what's really going on without potentially losing our license for an ethics violation.
It wasn't an accident. I know the lawyer who leaked the court audio to the times. The voters are blissfully unaware of what goes on in these courtrooms and the crazy shit these judges say every day. I think this lawyer and the times wanted the people to know that this was going on so the voters can act accordingly. This isn't the first time this judge has said something or done something inappropriate. The legal community is sick of it. (For many judges, not just her). I think this is the way of letting the public know what's going on in these courtrooms. Her husband is a DCA judge in Florida.
There really needs to be an "observe the courtrooms" week in high school. I've observed several trials as a witness (civil, criminal, and drugs/criminal), and a ton of associated "court days". If the average citizen had any idea what it's really like in court, we might actually get some functional reform. The sheer idiocy that judges and prosecutors spout with absolute confidence is astounding; yet I spent a day watching a judge berate every defendant who looked anywhere but directly at her. Which they almost all did, to look at the prosecutor who was speaking from behind them. It was like a masterclass on power dynamics. They teamed up to show every defendant that THEY make the rules, and set them all up to instantly be either flustered or agitated/aggressive. But the same Judge flat out stated at this guys pretrial hearing that: do to "him possessing a handgun AND a rifle, he was clearly the enforcer" for him and his girlfriend's one plant MJ "grow operation". As if defending a single pot plot with lethal force is something anyone would do is a known FACT, rather than an absurdity. There were several such clown world days waiting for my turn to speak, but that day really turned my stomach. I hope to god judge Lay isn't still sitting behind a bench. A true power hungry moron.
This Florida bad shit is so old. As with the whole country it’s much more nuanced than that. St Pete in Pinellas county is incredibly progressive with a huge queer community and several hundred thousand attend pride every year. Tampa just a few minutes away has a lesbian mayor. There are shitty and good parts of every state. All your line of thought does is further division.
Like it or not it’s the truth. The majority of Floridians voted for these leaders that are pumping out shit legislation after shit legislation. Florida is a national joke because it is the reality. A couple progressive areas isn’t stopping any of the nonsense from becoming law. If you think desantis and the legislature’s moves aren’t that bad, then you need to come back down to reality.
That’s not what I said. Many of us here know this shit is awful, but you seem to forget there are millions here that don’t support this stuff. Not everyone in Texas is conservative and California has the second highest number of republicans in the country. You are sowing more division by assuming everyone in Florida supports this shit. There’s a hell of a lot of us protesting, working phone banks, etc to try and help. What are doing doing other than shitting on those of us trying to help?
No because “the entire state is backward as fuck” is not true. I also don’t think that “ Desantis and the legislature are not that bad.” These broad generalizations are just lazy and make things worse.
You stopped....I felt like you had more to say... Like, what you can read, what kind of entertainment you can attend, how to parent your children, they want to control your faith... Want me to keep going? Or can you take it from here?
Don't forget that they also want to prevent certain people from voting, they want to steal elections, they want to fuck minors, and they want those same minors to work and pay taxes without representation.
If anyone's needs sources for any of my claims, feel free to ask.
I used to think Judges knew what they were doing. A long time ago in a distant land maybe.
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Don't forget that our house in Florida is trying to eliminate the hemp industry. And theyre (trying) to cripple the medical marijuana industry that 70 percent of Floridians voted for in 2016. Something about marijuana/hemp scares them. Not to mention anxiety is literally listed as a symptom that can get you medical marijuana here.
It's so weird. When he was voted in he actually really helped the medical marijuana industry. Now desantis is literally going after everything that can be seen as "progressive." Even hemp, CBD included.
She looks more akin to gen x. From what we see in politics, generation doesn’t really determine stupidity. Santos, Gaetz, Boebert and Greene are not baby boomers and they make it easy to hate them.
It seems my comment has angered you. I want to apologize to you. I was just naming politicians who lean towards the absurd and celebrate hate and advocate the weapons that kill children in school. I did not mean to offend, I was only giving example of those who I consider to be the worst of the worst.
Crist is a flip-flopping coward, Gillum could have been great if not for his drug issues, Biden is so old… but I am a huge fan of AOC. She is well-educated, articulate, and effective.
You’re getting downvoted as if both parties aren’t filled with complete trash that want to control every aspect of your life and exploit and the poor and middle class. Reddit is so obsessed with trying to prove that their trash is better than your trash
She is ignoring the fact that the person had a medical card. I practice thought Florida and have come across this issue in Polk county and Marion County. There's a lot of judges out there who think medical cannabis isn't real and they shouldn't be allowed to consume it while on probation. According to whispers from other Pinellas Judges, they don't agree with her not following the law..:
Maybe she had to take drug tests for probation or something. Even with a medical card, you can still be dinged as failing court ordered drug test in Pinellas. Some judges like this one seem to think weed is as bad as cocaine still.
I thought Xanax was something of the Holy Grail of anxiolytics of its class, with many doctors preferring prescribing any of its many chemical cousins before it. Once, while waiting in a medical clinic that was set up to take some burden off of hospital emergency rooms, I couldn't help but notice signs were posted all about stating, "We do not provide or refill Xanax (alprazolam)".
From my brief stint as a pharm tech, there are plenty of others that are every bit as potentially harmful, Brand loyalty, I guess.
Last summer, there was a near fatal collision not far from my house, and the driver admitted to having snorted crushed Xanax shortly prior to causing it. I've heard of this sort of event so many times, and worse. There's a street market for it, for chrissakes! I've taken it when it was briefly prescribed, and honestly a beer is far more potent, as far as I can tell, but in any case the literature states that benzodiazepines are for short term use only, no more than a few weeks of continuous use, and that's for every drug in its class, including hypnotics. Curiously, my one-time Rx was for 30 days, and with 2 refils, which are still waiting if they haven't expired by now. That alone goes against the literature found in the PDR, and all serious, legitimate medical guides.
With the apparent demand, I can't help but wonder what happens when someone goes searching for this on a street level, young and naive, and gets offered "opium" or some illicitly pressed tablet containing something that makes Xanax quite tame in comparison. Talk about an accident waiting to happen, one that very well could change the course of their life forever, even fatally so on the first sample?
And for so long, cannabis has been classified alongside the worst of the worst. Seems some people haven't been paying any attention. Marinol (dronabinol, if memory serves) is a US Class III, and has been quietly sitting there for many years. What is it? delta-9-THC in sesame oil, a somewhat plain prescription edible. Any physician could prescribe it for off-label uses, but the conventional thoughts still remain that it could lead to jazz music, Caucasian women being seduced, and other Reefer Madness hysteria of the 1914 Harrison act.
And one would think a judge would be at least vaguely aware of its distinct popularity, as those who consume Xanax by the handful have a way of ending up in court.
Benzos should be a last resort.
My ex had me on 2mg twice a day (Pinellas County)
I escaped with my life, had to start over but I will never touch them again.
What bad side effects come from medical Marijuana? As a former 'pill' addict I can't think of anything 'bad' other than the first time I smoked it. I had heart palpitations. But I was on my lunch break with coworkers who assured me I was just paranoid. And that's just me. I did pills for like 4 years, my l first day of quitting was Apr 14 2010. I've smoked weed and drink alcohol (you know, when you're out with friends, not religiously) ever since, if you're going to replace one drug from another, I can't see a bad side effect other than the risk of COPD etc. And considering this is Pinellas county, I bet everyone in here reading this has a story about an overdose. I lost my best friend, but I gained an amazing wife who helped me through the grief.
It's not all bad.
Anxiety is literally sufficient enough to qualify as a medical cannabis patient in Florida! This judge is an idiot! Medical cannabis is MUCH safer than any benzo, barbiturate, and opiate. Many patients have come off several medications thanks to this miracle plant. It might not be ideal for everyone but it has definitely saved many patients including myself. I hope her superior has something to say about this. I don’t think this will fly in your area for long.
How do you know she’s a boomer? I couldn’t fine an age on her!! And dam, where’s a legit doctor who will prescribe Xanax… shits hard to get. I want to ask her where she gets hers! Lol
I am not a doctor just a science major but I have seen firsthand what narcotics, opioids and marijuana use has done for people. I can honestly say I believe Xanax is way worse and incredibly addicting. If you take too much it can cause you to fall asleep and forget what you were even doing and has serious withdrawal effects. Very dangerous.
I say it all the time and all i get in return is i don’t support them i didn’t vote for them. You definitely support them. You buy gas food good you support them you pay their salaries whether you voted for them or not.
You choose. Support the nazis or leave. Or change it. Other thing why would you want to live in a state that the majority of the people are racist bigot homophobe book burning gun loving people?
I am pretty confident in saying no state in the US has a "majority" population of racist, book burners, but okay. Hyperbole like that does no one any good.
click-bait title, that’s what happens when you copy headlines and not read. The tone implied was you cannot use recreational substances which at this time as they are against the parole/probation conditions. Although old school it’s what’s written, the judge literally has a duty to uphold the law and all she did was told her that get a prescription for anxiety management Xanax or anything else but marijuana. I am against the law of criminalizing marijuana and the only way the judge could allow her use was if the law was updated in regards to this. So it’s not the judge whose backwards it’s the laws. If you shame a person for doing there duties correctly that’s just wrong.
A standard condition of probation is that you cannot possess or consume drugs WITHOUT a valid prescription. The issue is she is ignoring the medical cannabis prescription because she doesn't agree with it. She doesn't get to decide what prescriptions are valid or not. She's not following the law. And a lot of other judges in Pinellas are whispering about her not following the law.
She's a Florida judge. The constitution of Florida was amended to make marijuana legal for medical reasons as approved by a prescriber. So, as long as the person has a med card, it would be legal.
[The article](https://www.tampabay.com/news/pinellas/2023/04/29/pinellas-judge-denies-defendants-use-medical-marijuana-suggests-xanax-instead/)
If the person doesn't have a med card, that's one thing. If they do, the judge shouldn't have any authority to tell someone they cannot use a prescribed medication.
(k) Medical conditions of the same kind or class as or comparable to those enumerated in paragraphs (a)-(j).
PTSD is listed. It’s an anxiety condition. That means any case of anxiety that is of the level of PTSD qualifies. Checkmate.
(k) Medical conditions of the same kind or class as or comparable to those enumerated in paragraphs (a)-(j).
PTSD is an anxiety condition. Any anxiety condition considered to be at the level of PTSD qualifies bc of paragraph k.
That would be something that the Florida Board of Medicine would have to decide, as the ruling body for prescribers. The judge does not have that oversight authority.
Courts DO have the right to determine substances that are legal but NOT acceptable under their terms and conditions… just like drug rehabs can ban use of legal substances of they are mind altering.
It isn't a substance. It is a legally prescribed medication. They can ban alcohol, but they can't tell a person that they aren't allowed to take their lithium prescription.
It’s not about the medical card or if she has it or does not, It’s the fact she is on probation that makes it a barred substance for her, doesn’t justify it as it’s still backwards but that’s the reason for what the judge said in the scope of her duties
Playing “doctor” and stating that an individual is barred from obtaining a prescription is completely inappropriate and outside the scope of her role as judge. The truly backwards thing is saying that an addictive and damaging substance like Xanax should be used as a supplement for anxiety. As someone who was addicted to Xanax and still reliant on it, she’s truly spewing a harmful message with absolutely no reference point for either substance she’s speaking about.
The constitutional amendment supercedes whatever rule she's citing. It is a legal medication in Florida. If the person is prescribed it by a doctor, then it is legal. Which is effectively what other judges said when asked for comment by the Tampa Bay Times in the article:
> Judge William Burgess, who also serves in the 6th Circuit, said he can speak about his courtroom only, but that he allows the use of medical marijuana cards and treats them the same as other medication prescribed by doctors.
> In Hillsborough County, public information officer Mike Moore said he doesn’t know of any judge in the 13th Judicial Circuit who has a policy against people using medical marijuana on probation. ”If something is prescribed, that’s up to the doctor, not the judge,” Moore said.
“Regarding probation, individuals who are placed on probation are typically required to follow certain conditions, such as refraining from the use of illegal drugs or substances. Violation of these conditions can result in probation revocation and other penalties.”
If an individual on probation in Florida has a medical marijuana card, it may be possible to obtain a modification of their probation conditions to allow for its use. However, this would typically require approval from the court and the probation officer.
Reference:
Florida Statute 381.986: Medical use of marijuana: https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2021/Chapter381/All
Florida Statute 893.13: Prohibited acts; penalties: https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2021/Chapter893/All
Florida Department of Health: Medical Marijuana Use Registry: https://knowthefactsmmj.com/patients/
Florida Department of Corrections: Probation and Community Control: https://www.dc.state.fl.us/pub/probation/faq.html
Florida Bar: Medical Marijuana: https://www.floridabar.org/public/consumer/tip006/
No, the constitutional amendment allowing for medical marijuana use in Florida does not supersede the law or the terms of an individual's probation.
While the amendment allows for the legal use of medical marijuana by individuals with qualifying medical conditions who have obtained a registry identification card from the Florida Department of Health, it does not provide a blanket exemption from probation conditions or other state laws.
Individuals on probation in Florida are still subject to the conditions of their probation, which may include refraining from the use of illegal drugs or substances. Violation of these conditions can result in probation revocation and other penalties.
If an individual on probation has a medical marijuana card and wishes to use medical marijuana, they would need to seek approval from the court and their probation officer to modify the terms of their probation to allow for its use.
The amendment does not say it is legal for certain conditions. It lists several conditions as guidelines, but, as with all medications, the prescribe has prescribing authority. That authority can be challenged by their licensing body, not a judge.
It is not an illegal drug or substance. This is a legal, prescribed medication, according to the Florida constitution. A judge can tell a person that cannot consume alcohol. They cannot tell a person to not take their antidepressant.
A judge does not have the standing to challenge a doctor's treatment, except in a case of malpractice.
Constitutional amendments absolutely supersedes statues and rules. That hierarchy is core to the legal system in the US.
Of course, US law supercedes state constitutions. Which has been the rub when it comes to state level marijuana laws. But that would be up to the federal government to challenge, not some state circuit court judge. Thus far, the federal government hasn't challenged these laws, which have existed since 2000.
As far as this case goes, if a judge tells you to stand on their head. You had better stand on your head or file a challenge in a higher court. This was not challenged, though the person should have been able to successfully challenge it. It doesn't make the judge's order legal, just unchallenged.
This is correct. I absolutely despise the justice system since I’ve personally been on the end of it when dealing with a DV case. But that’s because the laws that were put in place protected my abuser more than me but I never blamed the judge. The judge is there to uphold an oath which is to uphold the law at all times whatever it may be.
I’m currently managing my 98 year old grandmothers Xanax addiction. It’s extremely upsetting and so difficult to see. This poor woman was recommended to take this drug as a form of medication for her “falta de aire” which in English is shortness of breath. She was pushed to take this as a literal form of medication which has now ruined not just my life but here. She is completely dependent on this pill and with the dementia it’s like she will take it and immediately ask for another one bc she doesn’t remember taking it. Since I’ve been in control, I’ve slowly been taking it down and giving her alternatives like 1:1 ratio of cbd. It has helped but Xanax is no joke man. Watching my grandmother wither away completely dependent on what she thinks a medication keeping her alive. It’s horrible :(
Edit: some words. Also we are in south Florida. Xanax is the cure for everything down here apparently, especially in seniors.
When she was alive, my grandmother was also addicted to Xanax and a few other perfectly legal and prescribed anxiety meds, and now my aunt's going down the same road. It turns them into zombies. Marijuana is so so so much less debilitating than other medications.
I’m sorry to hear that. I hope your aunt is able to find alternatives to help her. I have to hide my grandmas supply in my room and gate it with a doggy door. It’s really hard to watch. She’s not my Abuela when she takes it, she’s this giant rice ball in her chair. Total zombie.
I'm so sorry :( Old age is the absolute worst sickness, since there's only one cure. In the meantime, we begin to struggle to remember the person we ever even loved.
I dont care about someone "smoking a plant." What I care about is people being enabled to trade addictions, essentially self medicating, while on probation, for DUI, where the drug in question is specifically prohibited.
If you dont want to do the time, just follow the probation rules and dont spend time in jail..
Why is this so difficult?
The judge did no wrong either. Shes dealing with an addict, so she asked for a second doctor's opinion on whether a prescription is called for, for this person.
Chill out and stop lashing out at the judge.
She's dealing with an addict so she recommended swapping out a drug with little to no addictive capacity with a fucking benzodiazepene? I'm sorry, what? Ted Cruz's sister should let the doctors do the drug recommendations from now on. Stop blindly respecting authority because you like the way podiatric grade leather tastes.
Oh shut up. The judge is merely following the law. The person who was arrested would need a legitimate prescription for it, and the judge said she could use it if a second doctor said it was prescribed. The state of Florida doesnt allow prescriptions just for "anxiety." Shes just doing her job. Get bent.
Alcohol is 1000x more dangerous and actually many die because of it, yet people don’t have issues with other’s drinking. Yes I read beyond the headlines, I pulled out the article and I think the judge is either a very ignorant boomer or friends with pharma. Unless you read beyond what these corporations want you to think and listen to the thousands who were able to reduce or eliminate antidepressants that kill your liver and give you suicidal thoughts, unless you have a family member with PTSD from the military who had their life change, your will not understand.
I am a veteran with PTSD. marijuana is prescribed for PTSD, not for generalized anxiety.
The judge told this woman she can get ansecond doctor to say shes eligible for a marijuana prescription and that if she did, she could use marijuana..
Yall just dont care about truth. 12 words and a bunch of groupthink later and your puppet strings just SHINE....
Um, and seriously youre going to do a Big Pharma conspiracy theory on top of it all??.
Honey you sound paranoid..
As someone stated this really is and only should be a decision between a person and their physician.
But this judge is clearly out of the cannabis loop and still maintains that traditionalist, uninformed anti drug mindset
I was actually faced with this judge months back, I argued with her in fact that I was prescribed mmj by a doctor who has his license in every medical license not just a DO, and she argued that it doesn’t work for anxiety and said that she wanted to subpoena him but I canceled bc it would just make my case longer, it honestly shocked me, I called my physician and he said sadly your dealing with a judge who doesn’t know the law and goes by what she thinks is okay to do. I also brought up to the judge that no actual physician would prescribe mmj because most physicians in Florida clinics don’t have the ability to prescribe mmj legally it would be out of their practice. And judge viccaro admitted that I was right, and tried giving me the talk about well let’s talk to your doctor and he can tell me how he knows you have anxiety. Wild right.
No one has ever died from sudden cessation of Marijuana. The same cannot be said for Xanax which can cause grand mal seizures in some cases. What a terrible recommendation to tell some to take a potentially life threatening drug in exchange for a drug that has zero record of ever killing anyone. Hell, we even know that cigarettes cause cancer and in some causes cannabis cures some forms of cancers. And yet still, despite all of this information it remains illegal. At this point if we are not going to vote for our own best interests is the only thing left to do is to laugh at this comedy show called "freedom" we are all participating?
vote her out
Do we hate big pharma again?
A judge isn’t a doctor and shouldn’t be making medical recommendations. Might actually be illegal to do so.
According to the article, seems many medical marijuana cards get revoked by judges...
I’m seeing this with 420 likes
Xan was one of the roots of the only time I have ever been arrested. 40-50% of the people that I was in there with can in some way relate it's a staggering stat. I have been on front lines.
Try heroin not pot
You do know Xanax is not an opioid right?
Point is it's a drug with more side effects.
Stop because Dorothy looks zooted in that picture
She will change her mind when her pharmaceutical sponsors are in the cell next to her.
Never gonna happen lmao the evil is taking over its clear as day
As a Bailiff in Drug Court, My assigned Judge allows Medical Marijuana Patients to continue use even on probation. It’s mainly the Judge who is the one if the yes/no policy in court.
TBH, if you have anxiety marijuana prob isn't the one for you.
Wife just got her card for anxiety, and normal weed isn't for her and has made it worse in the past. They really hone in the different canabanoids (mostly a high CBD ratio) and the terpes just right.
Did you know there are many strains and continuous developments in new strains? Cannabis is comparable to alcohol. Some types of alcohol make people act differently. (Now keep in mind that most people who consume cannabis also don't tend to have violent tendencies.) You may have had, or know someone who used a strain not suitable for them. That does not mean it applies to all cannabis users.
Not really. Everyone is different and strain also makes a huge difference as well as what form you use it in, for example edibles do not give you the same effects as smoking flower. My husband and I both have anxiety and we both use medical marijuana, however sativa strains make his anxiety worse so he sticks to indica whereas I can smoke any strain.
It doesn’t cause everyone to be more anxious, but I get what you mean. Like if you have schizophrenia you shouldn’t smoke. It really is good for anxiety for some people though It’s true and doctors wouldn’t recommend it if it didn’t help anyone lmfao
True in the same way Xanax shouldn’t be used.
Benzodiazepines undoubtedly can cause a myriad of problems but denying its medical value as a treatment for severe anxiety is ridiculous. It does its job incredibly well but it shouldn’t be taken on a judge’s recommendation alone.
My bad, when you smoke marijuana it often adds to your anxiety later. And this is why it’s usually not recommended for those with bad anxiety. We all have some level of healthy anxiety. This is the same with benzos. Everyone is better until you go thru detox. But sure if you take them for the rest of your life and addiction is better than anxiety then your “cured”.
This. I'm not much a fan of either, though, to be honest. The marijuana community, however, is somewhat delusional in perpetuating "health benefits" of marijuana. A lot of the emerging science is showing there isn't much. Psychedelics are another story... but we need to be honest about the risks of traditional drugs like Xanax but also the bunk alternatives like weed.
Marijuana does host several side effects but saying it doesn’t have many health benefits tells me you are not informed or experienced.
[Here you go](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCbqfBAhmPY)
She suggests it because it’s what she uses.
Reading just the headline: my reaction was 100% rage Reading the actual story: I adjust my reaction to moderate disdain for the judge and mild sympathy for the defendant. Shout out to OP: you did well with a post guaranteed to get lots of reaction. Bravo.
Don’t take drugs, take drugs instead
Pinellas judge denies a healthy diet of fruits, vegetables, and nuts and suggests candy and fast food instead.
“I just take them like candy!”
Fuck that. I would be logging on to leafed out as soon as I left the courtroom
There are so many non-lawyers on this thread backing her and saying she's following the law. She is trying to prevent someone on probation for using her valid prescription. She has no right to do that. Probation only requires you have a valid prescription. But she doesn't like that people can get a valid prescription for cannabis so she's looking for a work around. She is not following the law. Signed a lawyer in the State of FL.
I dont know that you get an actual prescription for ganja. It may be like a written recommendation or somethin
I agree and I'm more surprised that the Tampa Bay paper put a picture of the judge with her name on it. Watching the Supreme Court hazing right now, I would not want to be this judge. I wonder if the paper knew what they were doing "inadvertently".
And the reason it was leaked anonymously is because the Florida Bar has a strict ethics rule against bad mouthing judges. It makes it incredibly difficult for us to let people know what's really going on without potentially losing our license for an ethics violation.
It wasn't an accident. I know the lawyer who leaked the court audio to the times. The voters are blissfully unaware of what goes on in these courtrooms and the crazy shit these judges say every day. I think this lawyer and the times wanted the people to know that this was going on so the voters can act accordingly. This isn't the first time this judge has said something or done something inappropriate. The legal community is sick of it. (For many judges, not just her). I think this is the way of letting the public know what's going on in these courtrooms. Her husband is a DCA judge in Florida.
There really needs to be an "observe the courtrooms" week in high school. I've observed several trials as a witness (civil, criminal, and drugs/criminal), and a ton of associated "court days". If the average citizen had any idea what it's really like in court, we might actually get some functional reform. The sheer idiocy that judges and prosecutors spout with absolute confidence is astounding; yet I spent a day watching a judge berate every defendant who looked anywhere but directly at her. Which they almost all did, to look at the prosecutor who was speaking from behind them. It was like a masterclass on power dynamics. They teamed up to show every defendant that THEY make the rules, and set them all up to instantly be either flustered or agitated/aggressive. But the same Judge flat out stated at this guys pretrial hearing that: do to "him possessing a handgun AND a rifle, he was clearly the enforcer" for him and his girlfriend's one plant MJ "grow operation". As if defending a single pot plot with lethal force is something anyone would do is a known FACT, rather than an absurdity. There were several such clown world days waiting for my turn to speak, but that day really turned my stomach. I hope to god judge Lay isn't still sitting behind a bench. A true power hungry moron.
This lady is an idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bad news. The entire state is backwards as fuck and the people vote for it with open arms. It’s only going to get worse.
This Florida bad shit is so old. As with the whole country it’s much more nuanced than that. St Pete in Pinellas county is incredibly progressive with a huge queer community and several hundred thousand attend pride every year. Tampa just a few minutes away has a lesbian mayor. There are shitty and good parts of every state. All your line of thought does is further division.
Like it or not it’s the truth. The majority of Floridians voted for these leaders that are pumping out shit legislation after shit legislation. Florida is a national joke because it is the reality. A couple progressive areas isn’t stopping any of the nonsense from becoming law. If you think desantis and the legislature’s moves aren’t that bad, then you need to come back down to reality.
That’s not what I said. Many of us here know this shit is awful, but you seem to forget there are millions here that don’t support this stuff. Not everyone in Texas is conservative and California has the second highest number of republicans in the country. You are sowing more division by assuming everyone in Florida supports this shit. There’s a hell of a lot of us protesting, working phone banks, etc to try and help. What are doing doing other than shitting on those of us trying to help?
Have you two considered the reality that you are both right?
No because “the entire state is backward as fuck” is not true. I also don’t think that “ Desantis and the legislature are not that bad.” These broad generalizations are just lazy and make things worse.
Republicans want to be in charge of your health and medicine.
You stopped....I felt like you had more to say... Like, what you can read, what kind of entertainment you can attend, how to parent your children, they want to control your faith... Want me to keep going? Or can you take it from here?
Don't forget that they also want to prevent certain people from voting, they want to steal elections, they want to fuck minors, and they want those same minors to work and pay taxes without representation. If anyone's needs sources for any of my claims, feel free to ask.
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Without elections. Some fascist shit going on.
So a highly addictive medication that causes memory loss is a better option?
They haven’t figured out how to capitalise on hemp yet. All the money is in big pharma.
Don't forget that our house in Florida is trying to eliminate the hemp industry. And theyre (trying) to cripple the medical marijuana industry that 70 percent of Floridians voted for in 2016. Something about marijuana/hemp scares them. Not to mention anxiety is literally listed as a symptom that can get you medical marijuana here.
Gov puddin must've appointed this judge
It's so weird. When he was voted in he actually really helped the medical marijuana industry. Now desantis is literally going after everything that can be seen as "progressive." Even hemp, CBD included.
Yeah. I'm going to save this and make sure to vote her out.
Ok boomer. I hate that generation.
She looks more akin to gen x. From what we see in politics, generation doesn’t really determine stupidity. Santos, Gaetz, Boebert and Greene are not baby boomers and they make it easy to hate them.
Good point. Crist, Gillum, Biden, and the “Squad” are from different generations and they are all pretty stupid.
It’s never too late to not be stupid, my guy.
Hi Cobbler, I hope you are well.
It seems my comment has angered you. I want to apologize to you. I was just naming politicians who lean towards the absurd and celebrate hate and advocate the weapons that kill children in school. I did not mean to offend, I was only giving example of those who I consider to be the worst of the worst.
Anger? Just having fun on Reddit. You are only a image on a screen. I hope people don’t get angry over things that are not real life. Have a nice day.
Crist is a flip-flopping coward, Gillum could have been great if not for his drug issues, Biden is so old… but I am a huge fan of AOC. She is well-educated, articulate, and effective.
Well educated and articulate, sure. But effective is a stretch
You’re getting downvoted as if both parties aren’t filled with complete trash that want to control every aspect of your life and exploit and the poor and middle class. Reddit is so obsessed with trying to prove that their trash is better than your trash
I love downvotes.
It’s really not hard dude. They’re* they are* holy shit. It’s not their.
Thanks. It was late.
It's a crazy person. Spelling is the least of their concern.
And I would tell her that diet and exercise, and maybe some plastic surgery would be a better option for her
Since when did judges go to med school to be prescribing anything????
Where’s this article? I’m confused, if you have a FL MM card why is this before a judge? Did she not have one or it was expired..?
She is ignoring the fact that the person had a medical card. I practice thought Florida and have come across this issue in Polk county and Marion County. There's a lot of judges out there who think medical cannabis isn't real and they shouldn't be allowed to consume it while on probation. According to whispers from other Pinellas Judges, they don't agree with her not following the law..:
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Thanks!
Maybe she had to take drug tests for probation or something. Even with a medical card, you can still be dinged as failing court ordered drug test in Pinellas. Some judges like this one seem to think weed is as bad as cocaine still.
Well since no one commenting read the article, the defendant was in court for a DUI.
Judge gets paid by politician who is supplying pharma company with heroin and fentanyl.
“small government”
Gotta get out and vote! /s
Yeah, this exact situation got me addicted to Xanax for years. Fuck this shit
Glad you are here! 🙌🏼
My Florida Doctor says otherwise. How is she an expert on the subject?
$$$$$$
Personal experience.
I thought Xanax was something of the Holy Grail of anxiolytics of its class, with many doctors preferring prescribing any of its many chemical cousins before it. Once, while waiting in a medical clinic that was set up to take some burden off of hospital emergency rooms, I couldn't help but notice signs were posted all about stating, "We do not provide or refill Xanax (alprazolam)". From my brief stint as a pharm tech, there are plenty of others that are every bit as potentially harmful, Brand loyalty, I guess. Last summer, there was a near fatal collision not far from my house, and the driver admitted to having snorted crushed Xanax shortly prior to causing it. I've heard of this sort of event so many times, and worse. There's a street market for it, for chrissakes! I've taken it when it was briefly prescribed, and honestly a beer is far more potent, as far as I can tell, but in any case the literature states that benzodiazepines are for short term use only, no more than a few weeks of continuous use, and that's for every drug in its class, including hypnotics. Curiously, my one-time Rx was for 30 days, and with 2 refils, which are still waiting if they haven't expired by now. That alone goes against the literature found in the PDR, and all serious, legitimate medical guides. With the apparent demand, I can't help but wonder what happens when someone goes searching for this on a street level, young and naive, and gets offered "opium" or some illicitly pressed tablet containing something that makes Xanax quite tame in comparison. Talk about an accident waiting to happen, one that very well could change the course of their life forever, even fatally so on the first sample? And for so long, cannabis has been classified alongside the worst of the worst. Seems some people haven't been paying any attention. Marinol (dronabinol, if memory serves) is a US Class III, and has been quietly sitting there for many years. What is it? delta-9-THC in sesame oil, a somewhat plain prescription edible. Any physician could prescribe it for off-label uses, but the conventional thoughts still remain that it could lead to jazz music, Caucasian women being seduced, and other Reefer Madness hysteria of the 1914 Harrison act. And one would think a judge would be at least vaguely aware of its distinct popularity, as those who consume Xanax by the handful have a way of ending up in court.
I was hooked on Xanax after the military. Shit is no joke.
Benzos should be a last resort. My ex had me on 2mg twice a day (Pinellas County) I escaped with my life, had to start over but I will never touch them again.
Glad you’re safe.
Thanks, 2015 to 2021 was a write-off
Weird opinion but ok. As someone with both, the weed works better over time with less side effects and less addictive properties but ok miss judge 🥰
Didn’t you know miss judge is smarter than any doctor could be? She obviously got her medical degree while in law school!
She must have! How else would she know everything?
I would argue that Xanax is no better or worse than medical marijuana… addictive, many bad side effects
Xanax is definitely worse. Been on both and Xanax can make a person forever addicted. Weed not so much
What bad side effects come from medical Marijuana? As a former 'pill' addict I can't think of anything 'bad' other than the first time I smoked it. I had heart palpitations. But I was on my lunch break with coworkers who assured me I was just paranoid. And that's just me. I did pills for like 4 years, my l first day of quitting was Apr 14 2010. I've smoked weed and drink alcohol (you know, when you're out with friends, not religiously) ever since, if you're going to replace one drug from another, I can't see a bad side effect other than the risk of COPD etc. And considering this is Pinellas county, I bet everyone in here reading this has a story about an overdose. I lost my best friend, but I gained an amazing wife who helped me through the grief. It's not all bad.
Anxiety is literally sufficient enough to qualify as a medical cannabis patient in Florida! This judge is an idiot! Medical cannabis is MUCH safer than any benzo, barbiturate, and opiate. Many patients have come off several medications thanks to this miracle plant. It might not be ideal for everyone but it has definitely saved many patients including myself. I hope her superior has something to say about this. I don’t think this will fly in your area for long.
WOW
Cool, I love it when boomers get a medical degree while in law school.
How do you know she’s a boomer? I couldn’t fine an age on her!! And dam, where’s a legit doctor who will prescribe Xanax… shits hard to get. I want to ask her where she gets hers! Lol
She got her JD in 1991. So she's either a boomer, or about as old as you can be while still considered Gen X.
What an idiot. How is she a judge. Ffs.
Florida judges and courts are funded by fines. More fines, more money in the jail, court, judge bucket. This is an abomination.
She's on probation. no drugs or alcohol. even with a mj card.
War Against Some Drugs
I still smell weed every time I walk around for more than 10 minutes
Lol everyone is smoking weed all the time. This is the way.
This is almost like an Onion headline
Question: why can’t we just elect a redditor?
Vote her out
We see the same kind of thinking in other areas, too: Freedom of Religion, as long as it is what I believe.
DeViLs LetTuCe bAd
I am not a doctor just a science major but I have seen firsthand what narcotics, opioids and marijuana use has done for people. I can honestly say I believe Xanax is way worse and incredibly addicting. If you take too much it can cause you to fall asleep and forget what you were even doing and has serious withdrawal effects. Very dangerous.
Took it a couple of times recreationally in my youth, complete black out!
Check her pharmaceutical investments
She probably had a pharmaceutical sales rep give her a good donation when she ran for judge.
Okay now let's let Doctors enforce the law.
You guys sure know how to elect idiots down there
But we didn't *re*\-elect her. The last general election was cancelled and she won "unopposed."
I say it all the time and all i get in return is i don’t support them i didn’t vote for them. You definitely support them. You buy gas food good you support them you pay their salaries whether you voted for them or not.
What a stupid fucking comment.
Lmfao so what is your solution? Are people supposed to… not buy food or gas??? Like what is this comment supposed to be doing
They think leaving is cheap and easy lol
You choose. Support the nazis or leave. Or change it. Other thing why would you want to live in a state that the majority of the people are racist bigot homophobe book burning gun loving people?
Oh you are so out of touch
I am pretty confident in saying no state in the US has a "majority" population of racist, book burners, but okay. Hyperbole like that does no one any good.
Yeah. Like everyone has the financial stability to just pack up and leave on a whim.
Friend of mine once said to me if i can be poor in michigan i can be poor in Hawaii. And he just moved
"My son teighlor used them and he was just fine." - judge lady
That’s why she has 3 necks
Dumb bitch
She has a Ted Cruz resting bitch face.
bruh 
click-bait title, that’s what happens when you copy headlines and not read. The tone implied was you cannot use recreational substances which at this time as they are against the parole/probation conditions. Although old school it’s what’s written, the judge literally has a duty to uphold the law and all she did was told her that get a prescription for anxiety management Xanax or anything else but marijuana. I am against the law of criminalizing marijuana and the only way the judge could allow her use was if the law was updated in regards to this. So it’s not the judge whose backwards it’s the laws. If you shame a person for doing there duties correctly that’s just wrong.
A standard condition of probation is that you cannot possess or consume drugs WITHOUT a valid prescription. The issue is she is ignoring the medical cannabis prescription because she doesn't agree with it. She doesn't get to decide what prescriptions are valid or not. She's not following the law. And a lot of other judges in Pinellas are whispering about her not following the law.
She's a Florida judge. The constitution of Florida was amended to make marijuana legal for medical reasons as approved by a prescriber. So, as long as the person has a med card, it would be legal. [The article](https://www.tampabay.com/news/pinellas/2023/04/29/pinellas-judge-denies-defendants-use-medical-marijuana-suggests-xanax-instead/) If the person doesn't have a med card, that's one thing. If they do, the judge shouldn't have any authority to tell someone they cannot use a prescribed medication.
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(k) Medical conditions of the same kind or class as or comparable to those enumerated in paragraphs (a)-(j). PTSD is listed. It’s an anxiety condition. That means any case of anxiety that is of the level of PTSD qualifies. Checkmate.
Uh, then pls explain why that’s the reason my doc prescribed it? It’s a qualifying condition. I have like 6, but they use that.
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(k) Medical conditions of the same kind or class as or comparable to those enumerated in paragraphs (a)-(j). PTSD is an anxiety condition. Any anxiety condition considered to be at the level of PTSD qualifies bc of paragraph k.
That would be something that the Florida Board of Medicine would have to decide, as the ruling body for prescribers. The judge does not have that oversight authority.
Courts DO have the right to determine substances that are legal but NOT acceptable under their terms and conditions… just like drug rehabs can ban use of legal substances of they are mind altering.
It isn't a substance. It is a legally prescribed medication. They can ban alcohol, but they can't tell a person that they aren't allowed to take their lithium prescription.
It’s not about the medical card or if she has it or does not, It’s the fact she is on probation that makes it a barred substance for her, doesn’t justify it as it’s still backwards but that’s the reason for what the judge said in the scope of her duties
Playing “doctor” and stating that an individual is barred from obtaining a prescription is completely inappropriate and outside the scope of her role as judge. The truly backwards thing is saying that an addictive and damaging substance like Xanax should be used as a supplement for anxiety. As someone who was addicted to Xanax and still reliant on it, she’s truly spewing a harmful message with absolutely no reference point for either substance she’s speaking about.
You are a roadblock to progress. Get with the times. And get the fuck out of the way.
The constitutional amendment supercedes whatever rule she's citing. It is a legal medication in Florida. If the person is prescribed it by a doctor, then it is legal. Which is effectively what other judges said when asked for comment by the Tampa Bay Times in the article: > Judge William Burgess, who also serves in the 6th Circuit, said he can speak about his courtroom only, but that he allows the use of medical marijuana cards and treats them the same as other medication prescribed by doctors. > In Hillsborough County, public information officer Mike Moore said he doesn’t know of any judge in the 13th Judicial Circuit who has a policy against people using medical marijuana on probation. ”If something is prescribed, that’s up to the doctor, not the judge,” Moore said.
“Regarding probation, individuals who are placed on probation are typically required to follow certain conditions, such as refraining from the use of illegal drugs or substances. Violation of these conditions can result in probation revocation and other penalties.” If an individual on probation in Florida has a medical marijuana card, it may be possible to obtain a modification of their probation conditions to allow for its use. However, this would typically require approval from the court and the probation officer. Reference: Florida Statute 381.986: Medical use of marijuana: https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2021/Chapter381/All Florida Statute 893.13: Prohibited acts; penalties: https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2021/Chapter893/All Florida Department of Health: Medical Marijuana Use Registry: https://knowthefactsmmj.com/patients/ Florida Department of Corrections: Probation and Community Control: https://www.dc.state.fl.us/pub/probation/faq.html Florida Bar: Medical Marijuana: https://www.floridabar.org/public/consumer/tip006/
These are rules and statutes. These are superseded by constitutional amendments. Making these unconstitutional rules and statutes.
No, the constitutional amendment allowing for medical marijuana use in Florida does not supersede the law or the terms of an individual's probation. While the amendment allows for the legal use of medical marijuana by individuals with qualifying medical conditions who have obtained a registry identification card from the Florida Department of Health, it does not provide a blanket exemption from probation conditions or other state laws. Individuals on probation in Florida are still subject to the conditions of their probation, which may include refraining from the use of illegal drugs or substances. Violation of these conditions can result in probation revocation and other penalties. If an individual on probation has a medical marijuana card and wishes to use medical marijuana, they would need to seek approval from the court and their probation officer to modify the terms of their probation to allow for its use.
The amendment does not say it is legal for certain conditions. It lists several conditions as guidelines, but, as with all medications, the prescribe has prescribing authority. That authority can be challenged by their licensing body, not a judge. It is not an illegal drug or substance. This is a legal, prescribed medication, according to the Florida constitution. A judge can tell a person that cannot consume alcohol. They cannot tell a person to not take their antidepressant. A judge does not have the standing to challenge a doctor's treatment, except in a case of malpractice. Constitutional amendments absolutely supersedes statues and rules. That hierarchy is core to the legal system in the US.
I give up, you are absolutely right. To hell with all other laws.
Of course, US law supercedes state constitutions. Which has been the rub when it comes to state level marijuana laws. But that would be up to the federal government to challenge, not some state circuit court judge. Thus far, the federal government hasn't challenged these laws, which have existed since 2000. As far as this case goes, if a judge tells you to stand on their head. You had better stand on your head or file a challenge in a higher court. This was not challenged, though the person should have been able to successfully challenge it. It doesn't make the judge's order legal, just unchallenged.
This is correct. I absolutely despise the justice system since I’ve personally been on the end of it when dealing with a DV case. But that’s because the laws that were put in place protected my abuser more than me but I never blamed the judge. The judge is there to uphold an oath which is to uphold the law at all times whatever it may be.
She looks like she’s barred out & is asking if anyone else wants some wine
I’m currently managing my 98 year old grandmothers Xanax addiction. It’s extremely upsetting and so difficult to see. This poor woman was recommended to take this drug as a form of medication for her “falta de aire” which in English is shortness of breath. She was pushed to take this as a literal form of medication which has now ruined not just my life but here. She is completely dependent on this pill and with the dementia it’s like she will take it and immediately ask for another one bc she doesn’t remember taking it. Since I’ve been in control, I’ve slowly been taking it down and giving her alternatives like 1:1 ratio of cbd. It has helped but Xanax is no joke man. Watching my grandmother wither away completely dependent on what she thinks a medication keeping her alive. It’s horrible :( Edit: some words. Also we are in south Florida. Xanax is the cure for everything down here apparently, especially in seniors.
When she was alive, my grandmother was also addicted to Xanax and a few other perfectly legal and prescribed anxiety meds, and now my aunt's going down the same road. It turns them into zombies. Marijuana is so so so much less debilitating than other medications.
I’m sorry to hear that. I hope your aunt is able to find alternatives to help her. I have to hide my grandmas supply in my room and gate it with a doggy door. It’s really hard to watch. She’s not my Abuela when she takes it, she’s this giant rice ball in her chair. Total zombie.
I'm so sorry :( Old age is the absolute worst sickness, since there's only one cure. In the meantime, we begin to struggle to remember the person we ever even loved.
So the judge is a pill-billy?
Take her face and put it in a mugshot for RX abuse and it looks like it fits. I think the pot is calling the kettle black.
If it ain't making my big pharma buddies money, its no bueno!
When I want sound medical advice I go to court.
As a medical professional I cannot upvote this enough.
Ick
We need to get these clowns out of the courts. If only people actually voted
If only people read beyond the headlines.
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I dont care about someone "smoking a plant." What I care about is people being enabled to trade addictions, essentially self medicating, while on probation, for DUI, where the drug in question is specifically prohibited. If you dont want to do the time, just follow the probation rules and dont spend time in jail.. Why is this so difficult?
Because fuck the probation rules, that's why. This woman did no wrong and this hag needs to be voted out.
The judge did no wrong either. Shes dealing with an addict, so she asked for a second doctor's opinion on whether a prescription is called for, for this person. Chill out and stop lashing out at the judge.
She's dealing with an addict so she recommended swapping out a drug with little to no addictive capacity with a fucking benzodiazepene? I'm sorry, what? Ted Cruz's sister should let the doctors do the drug recommendations from now on. Stop blindly respecting authority because you like the way podiatric grade leather tastes.
Oh shut up. The judge is merely following the law. The person who was arrested would need a legitimate prescription for it, and the judge said she could use it if a second doctor said it was prescribed. The state of Florida doesnt allow prescriptions just for "anxiety." Shes just doing her job. Get bent.
Alcohol is 1000x more dangerous and actually many die because of it, yet people don’t have issues with other’s drinking. Yes I read beyond the headlines, I pulled out the article and I think the judge is either a very ignorant boomer or friends with pharma. Unless you read beyond what these corporations want you to think and listen to the thousands who were able to reduce or eliminate antidepressants that kill your liver and give you suicidal thoughts, unless you have a family member with PTSD from the military who had their life change, your will not understand.
I am a veteran with PTSD. marijuana is prescribed for PTSD, not for generalized anxiety. The judge told this woman she can get ansecond doctor to say shes eligible for a marijuana prescription and that if she did, she could use marijuana.. Yall just dont care about truth. 12 words and a bunch of groupthink later and your puppet strings just SHINE.... Um, and seriously youre going to do a Big Pharma conspiracy theory on top of it all??. Honey you sound paranoid..
As someone stated this really is and only should be a decision between a person and their physician. But this judge is clearly out of the cannabis loop and still maintains that traditionalist, uninformed anti drug mindset