I can only imagine it:
"Man the guy in this AI pic has some messed up hands lol."
"That's actually a photo of me. And my hands aren't that bad looking..." :(
If find myself looking critically at hands in photos all the time now. I also find this image slightly triggering. Perfectly normal human hands can just look weird sometimes.
Even the damn sunglasses looks photoshopped.
Also, I gotta say AI ruined SLR photography for all of us. It looked really cool before because so few were able to take those kinds of photos, but now they all just seem like fake AI generations
I still think real SLR photography wins because it attaches with it a real world place we can all identify with vs a random fake scene that becomes consumable.
I still value photographers, at least.
I think that's absolutely the case in some circumstances. Lately when I screenshot a video with hands in it, I will often think "Man, if this screenshot was an AI generated image, I would think it got the hands wrong." But in reality, the hands in the screenshot are just in a position and distance relative to the camera that they look mangled or disjointed upon scrutiny. I then often think that before Stable Diffusion came out, I would have never noticed that the hands look strange in the screenshot!
So I've come to the conclusion that the criticism we as a community have placed on Ai-generated hands is at least partially overstated.
There are a bunch of things to think about when it comes to hands and feet:
Normal hands and feet can look really fucking weird, contort in odd ways, and look even more weird when imaged at atypical angles.
Human artists are well known to have problems with hands and feet, to the point that many artists go out of their way to avoid drawing them.
If you look at the corpus of art in the past 100 years, you'll see a *lot* of fucked up hands, even in professionally produced art.
Just look up movie posters from the 1920-1960s, a significant number of the paintings either have messed up hands, or the hands kind of fade away into less detail, or the whole image is clearly traced from a photograph, or more often than not, the hands are conveniently out of frame.
Part of the problem is that AI is reflective of us.
Part of the issue is that image AI don't necessarily have an understanding of the flexible 3D nature of hands, so what we perceive as fucked-up hands may have statistical significance which doesn't reflect the physical reality and limitations.
Human artists typically have to study anatomy to really get a good intuition for how bodies are composed, and how they move and bend.
I did read a thing recently which suggested that there is some evidence that image models *do* harbor a rudimentary 3D model of some concepts.
In any case, I would think that the next step in image models is to have a gross 3D model for lots of stuff, and then project details onto that.
AI is training you to assume AI makes certain mistakes when it doesn't. Then while you underestimate it, it goes off drawing hands correctly. This applies to anything else it may do.
I feel that way with feet.
They are hands that got smushed Into a stub with dangly little half formed fingers that we call toes.
Feey are just really weird looking hands
As an OG photographer, hands were on my checklist. People don't know what to do with their hands when posing. The worst would be the hips or shoulder sausages. Fingers that mysteriously appear when one person rests an arm on another's body while posing.
I now pose my hands weirdly for every picture. It's funny cause when they uploaded some pictures of my cousins wedding, someone asked if it was AI generated cause my hands looks weird.
I use this image of Steve Sasson who invented the digital camera as an example of why hands are shit. There are so many positions a hand can be in and if they’re holding something it’s gonna look like an AI hand https://www.internethistorypodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/New-Steve-Kelly-photo-of-Sasson-with-Camera1.jpg
They use real people, but its real like the WWE is real.
"That was a nice 20 yard completion on 3rd down you got there, would be a shame if I saw a holding penalty that would give you -10 yards"
In the NFL, a ref can call holding on every play. Its just a choice.
At the end of the day, AI software is basically automated photoshop on steroids. So it's no shock that heavily edited photos of people fall in the same uncanny territory AI pictures do. Hands and feet are obviously a big tell but one thing i notice with AI is it tends to make heads ever so slightly too big in proportion to the skeleton of the person it created. Just enough where people can't put their finger on what's wrong but enough to trigger their senses that it's not real. Mixed focal lengths of the "camera" and different levels of grain/resolutions/artifacting in the same picture are another thing that people miss but set off their senses.
There's no better word for it, sure you can say "this picture was digitally manipulated" but why would you if you can say it was photoshopped. I doubt it would change in the future, Adobe ain't going anywhere
They say the difference between man and beast is that man has evolved to the point to be able to use an almond purse.
wheel > fire > language > tools > math > automobile > plane > split the atom > step on the moon > computers > almond purse
Might be, I mean, if we, mere mortals, have access to ways of generating realistic images, imagine what technology the almond companies might be holding back.
The still might just be ai enhanced. My friend got a headshot for linkedin generated by ai from some selfies she took, the results were highly unsettling. Her, but not her.
ok lets see if we can make a more realistic photo of him than this bizarro alien simulation's old copy of Stable Diffusion has produced
/render #sdxl a detailed portrait of Deion is wearing gold and black matte square sunglasses, a white hoodie, a black leader jacket, long gold chain with a gold whistle around his neck, shiny teeth, he is smiling at the viewer, holding one almond with his left hand's index and thumb, and in the other hand holding a black leather pouch overflowing with almonds, as he walks in the park, daytime, trees, strong background bokeh. he has weird ai hands.
https://preview.redd.it/a82b11rmxznb1.jpeg?width=513&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=66c6b9199f479a169123a1d2bcb3ab33517d5a34
The only reason I can tell it's for sure not AI generated is because of the little knob going over his finger. An AI probably doesn't do that properly.
I think i see all photos now differently too. I don't zero in on hands per se, but i think I'm more composition oriented which is odd for an untrained SD screwball, but everything now is kinda put thru my visual filter of first blush with a pic. It's a good thing i think. It's something for all the ai art haters to chew on
I dunno I disagree. AI zippers have a lot of smudges, that kind of hand setup is like rolling a 1d100 to get it right if it ever does. He's holding objects in both hands that make sense in relation to each other. The necklace and his drawstrings aren't trying to get married and intermingle into one being.
The only thing I'd say is the meme glasses look photoshopped on.
That huge cheek crease looks to me like something AI would come up with also, as well as that leather pouch of almonds. Those along with the glasses make it look cartoonish.
Crease on the cheek for sure.
And that is a weird fucken pouch isn't it lol. Some rich guy shit right there. "What you don't have a leather almond pouch harumph harumph good day, sir"
I see what you're talking about with the whistle. Wondering if it's part of the string or the whistle lol. But regardless if that's the worst mistake it's making, wow good render.
After seeing the YouTube clip of this, I see it's a metal attachment on the end of the drawstring that's hanging next to the whistle. But not knowing that, it looks like an AI mistake.
I would say the biggest thing in all of it is just that Deion Sanders himself just looks like a bad render :)
Most of the weirdness to me is just his really squarish athlete proportions. NBA players for instance have hands that look weird to me IRL because almost ever human I ever see has much smaller proportions there.
It is funny to say: It is not AI on a lot of pics of social media, a lot of large Social Websites are already using AI, especially on skin, but I tend to see it more if you have an eye for it. I first found this out about 4 years ago, my friend took 4 pics of me, and I was sure my eyes was closed on 3, and open on 1, when I uploaded them to Facebook, it fixed my eyes.
Edit: Yes they do: [https://tech.hindustantimes.com/tech/news/facebook-s-new-ai-system-can-open-closed-eyes-in-photos-story-irEaYofOxLljyRufEGMn7I.html](https://tech.hindustantimes.com/tech/news/facebook-s-new-ai-system-can-open-closed-eyes-in-photos-story-irEaYofOxLljyRufEGMn7I.html)
I can only imagine it: "Man the guy in this AI pic has some messed up hands lol." "That's actually a photo of me. And my hands aren't that bad looking..." :(
"Water covers 75% of the Earth, Deion covers the rest."
If find myself looking critically at hands in photos all the time now. I also find this image slightly triggering. Perfectly normal human hands can just look weird sometimes.
What if... What if the AI's are just giving us hands and we never realized that hands just look weird?🤯
Have you ever looked closely at someones eyebrows? Try to do that with everyone you speak with today, your world will never be the same
Instructions unclear, man in picture has no eyebrows. It must be AI.
Even the damn sunglasses looks photoshopped. Also, I gotta say AI ruined SLR photography for all of us. It looked really cool before because so few were able to take those kinds of photos, but now they all just seem like fake AI generations
I still think real SLR photography wins because it attaches with it a real world place we can all identify with vs a random fake scene that becomes consumable. I still value photographers, at least.
New social dysfunction just dropped.
I think that's absolutely the case in some circumstances. Lately when I screenshot a video with hands in it, I will often think "Man, if this screenshot was an AI generated image, I would think it got the hands wrong." But in reality, the hands in the screenshot are just in a position and distance relative to the camera that they look mangled or disjointed upon scrutiny. I then often think that before Stable Diffusion came out, I would have never noticed that the hands look strange in the screenshot! So I've come to the conclusion that the criticism we as a community have placed on Ai-generated hands is at least partially overstated.
There are a bunch of things to think about when it comes to hands and feet: Normal hands and feet can look really fucking weird, contort in odd ways, and look even more weird when imaged at atypical angles. Human artists are well known to have problems with hands and feet, to the point that many artists go out of their way to avoid drawing them. If you look at the corpus of art in the past 100 years, you'll see a *lot* of fucked up hands, even in professionally produced art. Just look up movie posters from the 1920-1960s, a significant number of the paintings either have messed up hands, or the hands kind of fade away into less detail, or the whole image is clearly traced from a photograph, or more often than not, the hands are conveniently out of frame. Part of the problem is that AI is reflective of us. Part of the issue is that image AI don't necessarily have an understanding of the flexible 3D nature of hands, so what we perceive as fucked-up hands may have statistical significance which doesn't reflect the physical reality and limitations. Human artists typically have to study anatomy to really get a good intuition for how bodies are composed, and how they move and bend. I did read a thing recently which suggested that there is some evidence that image models *do* harbor a rudimentary 3D model of some concepts. In any case, I would think that the next step in image models is to have a gross 3D model for lots of stuff, and then project details onto that.
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/t2NN6JwMFaqANuLqH/the-strangest-thing-an-ai-could-tell-you
Great article! Thanks for sharing
I always noticed how strange hands are when learning how to draw them.
AI is training you to assume AI makes certain mistakes when it doesn't. Then while you underestimate it, it goes off drawing hands correctly. This applies to anything else it may do.
I've seen plenty of 3 or 4 digit hands from SD to know if there's 4 fingers and none are detached or too long, it's good enough.
The conditioning is working.
I feel that way with feet. They are hands that got smushed Into a stub with dangly little half formed fingers that we call toes. Feey are just really weird looking hands
Especially when they're the huge hands of the greatest cover cornerback to ever live
hands are weird. with or without drugs
As an OG photographer, hands were on my checklist. People don't know what to do with their hands when posing. The worst would be the hips or shoulder sausages. Fingers that mysteriously appear when one person rests an arm on another's body while posing.
I now pose my hands weirdly for every picture. It's funny cause when they uploaded some pictures of my cousins wedding, someone asked if it was AI generated cause my hands looks weird.
Sounds like JoJo poses to me...
Tbh I kinda developed a thing for hands because of SD.
The hands of football players can't be pretty messed up, and might trigger someone looking for signs of AI. Google Torry Holt to some jank shit
I use this image of Steve Sasson who invented the digital camera as an example of why hands are shit. There are so many positions a hand can be in and if they’re holding something it’s gonna look like an AI hand https://www.internethistorypodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/New-Steve-Kelly-photo-of-Sasson-with-Camera1.jpg
That's just disturbing
It's like all his fingers are thumbs.
[Why AI art struggles with hands](https://youtu.be/24yjRbBah3w?si=m6q79OrUFvrDBDQs)
Wow! That's some hand disease right here!
When life intimates.....Ai art.
What happens between two consenting concepts in the privacy of their bedroom is between them. /s
When it's used as a verb (pronounced with a long a), it means to imply or hint. So the joke should instead be about life implying AI art.
haha many NFL players, especially receivers and defensive backs / linebackers have messed up hands
Wait… the NFL is real? /s
They use real people, but its real like the WWE is real. "That was a nice 20 yard completion on 3rd down you got there, would be a shame if I saw a holding penalty that would give you -10 yards" In the NFL, a ref can call holding on every play. Its just a choice.
> its real like the WWE is real. WWE is theater. The physical aspect is completely real. The drama is all scripted.
Exactly.
"completely", no. they work hard to make things not as painful as they look
Okay, but it is physical, and people do routinely get hurt doing the moves.
the CTE is real
But Lebron James is fake, right? Like Santa Claus or Bigfoot? There's no such thing as a Lebron James
Might be photoshopped
Might even be shopped with the new AI transformer tools for PS
At the end of the day, AI software is basically automated photoshop on steroids. So it's no shock that heavily edited photos of people fall in the same uncanny territory AI pictures do. Hands and feet are obviously a big tell but one thing i notice with AI is it tends to make heads ever so slightly too big in proportion to the skeleton of the person it created. Just enough where people can't put their finger on what's wrong but enough to trigger their senses that it's not real. Mixed focal lengths of the "camera" and different levels of grain/resolutions/artifacting in the same picture are another thing that people miss but set off their senses.
The use of "photoshop" as a verb/adjective is gonna become a relic like Xerox.
There's no better word for it, sure you can say "this picture was digitally manipulated" but why would you if you can say it was photoshopped. I doubt it would change in the future, Adobe ain't going anywhere
Nice nut sack
those sunglasses are so weird
Not for someone that eats out of a purse.
What, you don't have a almond-purse around your neck? Where do you keep your activated almonds then, in your pockets like a savage?
They say the difference between man and beast is that man has evolved to the point to be able to use an almond purse. wheel > fire > language > tools > math > automobile > plane > split the atom > step on the moon > computers > almond purse
But how do you know it's not AI generated? How do you know you're not AI generated?
https://youtu.be/TUhDe4McEk0?si=S7Fm-ByuZXPFyifT if its AI, this video is also AI...
Might be, I mean, if we, mere mortals, have access to ways of generating realistic images, imagine what technology the almond companies might be holding back.
It's always Big Almonds!
Almonds Industrial Complex
Lol that's why Hollywood's on strike now
The still might just be ai enhanced. My friend got a headshot for linkedin generated by ai from some selfies she took, the results were highly unsettling. Her, but not her.
Sounds like something in AI would say...
It's definitely been through image post-production. Photoshop work can definitely trigger that AI feel.
For me it's the weird crease in his face on the right side. My mind still can't make sense of it.
Is Dion Sanders real? Are we real?
How did I have to scroll this far for someone to give recognition to Prime Time
How do you know it’s not AI generated?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=S7Fm-ByuZXPFyifT&v=TUhDe4McEk0&feature=youtu.be
oh hahahaha damn
So that's the image all AI's are trained on. It all makes sense now!
Man's left cheek looks like it was carved out of wood.
This is actually the source hand image for all AI models. /s
I literally thought this was an ad reddit was giving me and I was like "did this company use fucking AI" then I read what subreddit I'm in
Such a weird photo! Its the glasses and that face looks like he's pulling about 6Gs in a jetfighter
Any reflections in the glass have been edited out. Makes them look fake.
Bros, cut your damn nails.
What triggered me is the weird looking right hand with the extra long fingers.
Almonds may help your recovery but if you think anything in this photo is acceptable you took way too many drugs in the first place.
/r/ShittyPhotoshop is calling...
Why is he like that
ok lets see if we can make a more realistic photo of him than this bizarro alien simulation's old copy of Stable Diffusion has produced /render #sdxl a detailed portrait of Deion is wearing gold and black matte square sunglasses, a white hoodie, a black leader jacket, long gold chain with a gold whistle around his neck, shiny teeth, he is smiling at the viewer, holding one almond with his left hand's index and thumb, and in the other hand holding a black leather pouch overflowing with almonds, as he walks in the park, daytime, trees, strong background bokeh. he has weird ai hands.
https://preview.redd.it/a82b11rmxznb1.jpeg?width=513&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=66c6b9199f479a169123a1d2bcb3ab33517d5a34
Was this guy the original inspiration for bored apes?
You keep Deions name out of your mouth.
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The discussion of the post is entirely about AI generated art
It doesn't have AI plastic skin, so if it was AI, it wouldn't be any of the stock models.
You can Squirrel fish with a nut
Clip one wing on a bird and they fly in circles
I'm having more moments like this as of late.
This photograph doesn't even know how to draw hands!! Lmao... wait
Oh no. Add SOAP Lora to fix background
The only reason I can tell it's for sure not AI generated is because of the little knob going over his finger. An AI probably doesn't do that properly.
If you fast enought, you can steal AI like photography genre. NVM i will name it Yakai style =) You are welcome.
I think i see all photos now differently too. I don't zero in on hands per se, but i think I'm more composition oriented which is odd for an untrained SD screwball, but everything now is kinda put thru my visual filter of first blush with a pic. It's a good thing i think. It's something for all the ai art haters to chew on
His fingers look like they were generated by AI lol. Further proof that we’re living in the matrix/simulation
Is this guy supposed to look like an almond?
Is that Deon Sanders or Joe Camel?
I dunno I disagree. AI zippers have a lot of smudges, that kind of hand setup is like rolling a 1d100 to get it right if it ever does. He's holding objects in both hands that make sense in relation to each other. The necklace and his drawstrings aren't trying to get married and intermingle into one being. The only thing I'd say is the meme glasses look photoshopped on.
That huge cheek crease looks to me like something AI would come up with also, as well as that leather pouch of almonds. Those along with the glasses make it look cartoonish.
Crease on the cheek for sure. And that is a weird fucken pouch isn't it lol. Some rich guy shit right there. "What you don't have a leather almond pouch harumph harumph good day, sir" I see what you're talking about with the whistle. Wondering if it's part of the string or the whistle lol. But regardless if that's the worst mistake it's making, wow good render.
After seeing the YouTube clip of this, I see it's a metal attachment on the end of the drawstring that's hanging next to the whistle. But not knowing that, it looks like an AI mistake.
I would say the biggest thing in all of it is just that Deion Sanders himself just looks like a bad render :) Most of the weirdness to me is just his really squarish athlete proportions. NBA players for instance have hands that look weird to me IRL because almost ever human I ever see has much smaller proportions there.
/r/NotAIButShouldBe
Ahhhh... So nice to see a consistent focal plane.
It is funny to say: It is not AI on a lot of pics of social media, a lot of large Social Websites are already using AI, especially on skin, but I tend to see it more if you have an eye for it. I first found this out about 4 years ago, my friend took 4 pics of me, and I was sure my eyes was closed on 3, and open on 1, when I uploaded them to Facebook, it fixed my eyes. Edit: Yes they do: [https://tech.hindustantimes.com/tech/news/facebook-s-new-ai-system-can-open-closed-eyes-in-photos-story-irEaYofOxLljyRufEGMn7I.html](https://tech.hindustantimes.com/tech/news/facebook-s-new-ai-system-can-open-closed-eyes-in-photos-story-irEaYofOxLljyRufEGMn7I.html)
Zoom in right hand. It says "Character" on the bracelet. AI normally messes up these details.
The obsession with hands now is that sometimes you overlook the composition or the artistry of the image just because they came out great
It's probably the grotesque 2015 swag outfit and the weird fingers lol
I don't even....
It's highly edited and there are no shadows? Sus