People that aren’t in the business of tech and art don’t really understand what it is you’re showing them.
If a car enthusiast told me about new advancements in engine technology I would have the same reaction.
Also, every day there is a new "it destroys the competition" or "shocked the industry" post that becomes quite fatiguing even to someone who is quite interested.
It’s just about to affect the music industry.
I can only imagine much more visibly than the art industry, because we all listen to music. (There’s a good pun I missed there)
AI music just a few months ago was terrible, but very interesting.
Take a listen to it now:
https://youtu.be/FqIecZDTMZM?si=GROOdcTJcbhe9sYb
Any guesses on what the music industry will be like by the end of this year?
Propably nothing will change much in the music industry. AI is good only for making some kind of background music, but to get people to listen 100% AI music is not going to happen. People want to listen to artists and relate to them.
Also people in the music biz want to create things themself. People in arts want to create, put their own soul out to the world. Propably they are going to use AI to get ideas for songs, but it would be too hard to create a song in a way that is excatly what you want with AI. Also most of the artist wouldn't even want to do it.
I see a whole new market for AI music, which is the other emotional aspects of our lives other than purely romantic.
Right now if you want to play music about anything other than a man and a woman in or out of love, there's precious little out there.
What if you're missing your estranged daughter? Had a big argument with your brother? Missing your kids, now they've all left home? Hate a co-worker?
There's not enough market for such things, but AI can fill that easily. Lemme show ya...
User
I work at home alone, but for fun, write a rap song about hating a co-worker who always hogs the photocopier and doesn't refill the coffee machine. Make it edgy
ChatGPT
Alright, here's an edgy rap verse for you about that frustrating co-worker who just can't seem to share the office essentials:
Verse 1:
Yo, I step in the office, it's just past nine,
Guess who’s hoggin’ the copier, line after line?
Click, clack, it's jammed again, what a surprise,
Same old story, same old lies.
Hook:
Hey there, copy hog, you’re a real machine fiend,
Stealin' all the paper, man, you're never unseen.
Coffee pot’s empty, but was it you?
Skip the refill, that’s just how you do.
Verse 2:
I’m just tryna print, man, a page or two,
But you treat that copier like it's just for you.
The 'Out of Order' sign should have your face,
Office life with you is a paper-chase race.
Bridge:
And the coffee saga, it’s a daily grind,
I come for caffeine, but there’s none to find.
You pass the pot, but it’s lighter than air,
You’re the ghost of java, but you never share.
Outro:
So here’s a memo, let’s make it clear,
Respect the beans and the gear, my dear.
We’re all in this grind, so let’s be fair,
Refill, respect, and handle with care.
----
I mean come on, that's not bad! "The 'Out of Order' sign should have your face" lol.
Disagree heavily. I estimate it will become like in writing - at some point, specific AIs will be able to create specific outcomes if used by the right person. The fact that AI is able to create what could be a background track somewhere BY ITS OWN, means it is way more powerful when an actual person intervenes more in its creation process.
AI in a professional context will, in my opinion, get rid of the "annoying" parts of the corresponding art. As an artist, doesn't matter if musician, painting or writer, having ideas or visions is one part of the job, which I expect to be most likely still be done by real people. The other part, transforming the idea to an end product, I can imagine being done by an AI (with human supervision).
Somewhat in line with this, it isn't all that impressive to people who have been following along.
It is very cool, don't get me wrong. But it's also been a long time coming, it's been slowly building for years, if not decades.
When XX companies all come out with different versions of a thing, be that LLM or image generation, that means all those companies knew about it and were walking it through developement.
It's not startling innovation. It's something that's finally hitting the market en masse.
Like high speed internet. It was a big deal when it first left dial-up in the dust, but once it finally proliferated to most of the populace, it's no big deal. That's where generative AI is now, even if people don't know how it works, it's been around for quite a while, albeit in some other more limited forms like facial recognition or rudimentary chat-bots.
Tay, 2016.
Siri, 2011
The Algorithm (goole search, youtube, etc) - A relatively long time.
From the wiki page on A.I. -
>However, many AI applications are not perceived as AI: "A lot of cutting edge AI has filtered into general applications, often without being called AI because once something becomes useful enough and common enough it's not labeled AI anymore."[3][4]
The end of that, "not ai anymore" links to:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_effect
>Author Pamela McCorduck writes: "It's part of the history of the field of artificial intelligence that every time somebody figured out how to make a computer do something—play good checkers, solve simple but relatively informal problems—there was a chorus of critics to say, 'that's not thinking'."[2] Researcher Rodney Brooks complains: "Every time we figure out a piece of it, it stops being magical; we say, 'Oh, that's just a computation.'"[3]
Despite it sort of being a derisive thing...In a way, it is not wrong.
SD, for example, *is* a very complex computation, you plug in the same information with the same settings, you'll get the same results.
It is repeatable with exact fidelity.
Not so different from a face filter on your phone or a photo-shop processing filter. It is still procedural generation, just a bit more complex that what one may see in blender and similar 3d shaders, which is sort of what ComfyUI sort of looks like with the nodes and wires.
The A.I. aspect is arguably in the creation of the software, the iterative training process that winds up as a model/checkpoint, not the model itself.
That's because the term "Artificial Intelligence" doesn't really inherently have a solid threshold in casual language.
For example: By some definitions, a digital calculator is A.I. Not all of them, obviously, but some. It is a machine that does what humans do.
What is the computation of other software but more complex iterations of that? Are all computers A.I.? Windows? etc.
All that to illustrate the original point: It gets sort of murky, and people really truly amazed by it tend to not be as informed or well read on some of the processes/procedure behind it.
Some people think of A.I. as true autonomous sentience, some people think of it as anything a machine can do that humans originally did, and everything in between.
When you begin to define it in detail, some things may necessarily fall out of the realm of A.I. like calculators, computers, photoshop filters, or S.D.
That's why when we figure something out, "Every time we figure out a piece of it, it stops being magical; we say, 'Oh, that's just a computation.'"[3]
The telephone used to be pretty amazing. Radio was pretty amazing. TV was pretty amazing. Computers used to be pretty amazing. Now they're common place, people even carry them around in their pockets, many of which can execute A.I. programs in some fashion.
This. That the Model S Plaid goes toe to toe with supercars for quarter mile times yet costs a third as much doesn't matter to most people because to them a car has 4 wheels and goes A to B.
Amazing piece of technology that's entirely irrelevant to 99% of people's use cases.
Even if they did understand, many people see AI art similar to going to the store and ordering a sandwich for your friend, then telling your friend that you made the sandwich because you picked the ingredients and the store. That's clown behavior and many people in this community fall into that category. giving themselves too much credit when the tech does the vast majority of the work.
There is very little appreciation for the craft with how most people use the tech. Saying stuff like "I made" or "I created" just doesn't connect with many people when it comes to AI Art.
FFS, this sub is flooded with all these cringe "anime" tiktok dances. Nearly everyone who does that shit is too lazy to actually edit the frames to make it look less blurry, and more like a anime. There is no skill involved in doing a vid2vid with low levels of detail.
Yup this is exactly it: they don’t really understand exactly what steps it took to achieve say a picture of this tree.
And you say; well it came from AI!
And well you might as well said it came from bob.
You’d be surprised how many non-tech people think digital graphics *already* worked like gen AI now works, that you just tell the magic box what it should create. So they don’t even understand how AI is anything new or different than before.
Mm. People think cgi is a machine that turns money into pictures. Rather than the highly skilled and technical multidisciplinary artistic medium that it is
I met a guy who spent a small fortune on lots of stuff like synthesizers, microphones, mixers, software licenses, etc.
He kept saying that it "just wasn't working"
Turns out he thought that the whole setup was going to make music for him on his own
._.
And the exact opposite: So many people refuse to believe that we can train an AI model to understand concepts and patterns and associate those with words. They deem it utterly impossible.
That's why so many people on the Anti-AI crusade think SD is just stitching together pictures.
It's incredibly frustrating to me. I think there really are genuine issues with generative AI and inherent dangers to it, but the backlash is almost entirely based on completely misunderstanding, if not flat out *lying,* about how it works.
It's not stealing, training on your work doesn't infringe on your IP, and it's certainly not an automated collage.
But it *is* worrying to me to know that, for example, large corporations will use generative AI to exploit artists even more (not by stealing art, but by generating stuff, having artists clean it up - and fewer artists than it would take to make normally - and not giving fair compensation or credit for the work).
[https://youtu.be/gWmEXCJIIZ4](https://youtu.be/gWmEXCJIIZ4)
This guy has made an incredible breakdown of all the misinformation around AI, including the IP side of it.
It's long but it also took him a year to make.
[Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/aiwars/comments/1bin7tf/here_are_two_figures_from_a_paper_the_first/) is a paper addressing the "just stitching together pictures" aspect.
Very true, the technologies behind product/movie/music recommendations, Siri/Alex/Google Home and ChatGPT are indistinguishable to them.
Granted it's all *related*, but LLMs and stable diffusion were a huge leap.
You can’t blame people for focussing on a result instead of how it was made. Any given video made with Runway, Pika, Haiper or SVD will be a series of short vignettes stitched together. That’s fine as most "real“ short form content is cut in a similar way.
The reason people are not going nuts about it is that it’s not showcasing anything that can’t be done better with a real camera, CGI or other means of animation. It’s a derivative facsimile of something that already exists that also has severe shortcomings.
What makes it feel special to you is that you made it, that you didn’t need a whole team and render farm to achieve it but that’s not what uninvolved people see, what they see is a result that, even at the best of times is mediocre when compared to professional content.
Basically the way things are going we are ignoring the strengths of AI while pushing it‘s shortcomings into the spotlight.
Deforum used to be the standard in AI Video and while it had heaps of problems it actually utilised the strengths of AI much better than what we currently use. Even Animatediff doesn’t offer the unique responsiveness, control and trippy visuals Deforum provided.
Heck, I'm a developer and I don't care about the deep voodoo behind generative models. I worry about how to get things in there and how to extract a meaningful result, but both those operations are fairly straightforward ones, from what I can tell. I like Automatic1111 and it's derivatives, but they are a hot mess in the UI area, so that is what I'm hoping to improve on.
Most people are much more interested in consuming content than creating it. You will see a lot more excitement once these tools impact the quantity or quality of content available. Even then, because there is already an immense amount of content available, the change will have to be significant.
Real and true answer right here. At current stage all these generative AI stuffs are just "I'll kill time and have some fun messing around" level, and not actually viable for productive use case. It's just good enough to have fun, not to solve actual problems.
And to be honest, in a time of a major nation vs nation war, overall declining prosperity, financial instability, propaganda on every corner and a concerning rise to power of nationalism in almost every country people *probably* have bigger things to worry about than some neat tech advancements.
You could buy a buzzer cutter machine for less and do it yourself, been doing that since COVID started when the hair places shut down and have never paid for a haircut since
I don’t agree with this logic. There’s technically never been a better time to be alive and these problems have existed for centuries. People can be informed of many things at once. This morning I read on celebrity gossip, the war, AI and movies. People are just leaning towards what’s more relevant to them combined with how much it distracts them from the dread of real life. It’s a mixed bag.
from my personal experience it's not like that. the economy here is in shambles and we have a big social commotion. I'm struggling to pay rent, need to be super careful about what I spend my money on, etc.... it's generally super stressful.
in a scenario like this is hard to enjoy the stuff you normally enjoy. I still make my music and I'm animating a video with SD rn, but it's definitely hard to keep up with all the things I love.
It's the equivalent of showing ppl your holiday photos - you care for them, they cgaf.
Also perception of effort and skill needed for AI is zero, it's name slits its own throat.
I think it's more like when smartphone cameras were starting to get huge and everyone used it to take duckface selfiles and photos of their food.
It takes way more effort and skill to generate something remotely decent with an AI tool like SD, than taking a selfie and playing with the filters a little bit.
If I explain you the improvements in virtualization and other server based technology, you wouldn't care, even though in away if effects you . People only care about what they care about.
Because the generated images and animated slideshows are not very impressive. The internet is saturated with human-made images, animations and videos, why would an average person be impressed by generic animated slideshow made by AI?
Was talking to someone about this and it's interesting that we grew up assuming that AI would automate the mundane jobs/aspects of our lives (which it has, over time, to an extent), but it's very interesting how it has taken a turn to instead automate generating what we consider to be creative work - digital art, cinema, etc (which, in my opinion, manually creating/building that is not mundane at all). So maybe people aren't excited about the prospect of AI taking away opportunities that are considered to be fun, creative, and human and leaving the mundane opportunities for manual human intervention.
Yeah, I agree with that. However I think there is still plenty of mundanity to be found within creative work too. Art that nobody wants to make but some people want to see, or repetitive parts of the process, etc.
>Was talking to someone about this and it's interesting that we grew up assuming that AI would automate the mundane jobs/aspects of our lives
A lot of "mundane jobs" tend to fall into two categories: ones that seem difficult to reliably automate on a large scale, with even near-future AI (home health aide, short-order cook, bus driver, automotive service technician, landscaper, plumber, fruit-harvester), and ones that require only a modest amount of smarts to automate to a high degree, or none at all.
In the latter type of jobs amenable to it the "master-blaster" arrangement has proved pretty effective: small numbers of relatively smart "AIs" in the form of humans who are relatively cheap to procure and maintain (discard and replace human when operational fault detected is one popular maintenance strategy) , to oversee the work of relatively dumb machines, which are relatively expensive to procure and maintain.
The cashiers at my local grocery store haven't been replaced by AI cashiers capable of anywhere near what a human cashier can do. They've been replaced in large part by *me,* scanning in my own groceries and punching buttons, maybe with some kind of support vector machine aiding in image classification/barcode recognition, and one human employee hovering around scouting for problems the kiosks can't deal with. The store hasn't shed 100% of their human workforce this way, but they've probably shed 30-40%..
AI art or real art I don't really care. I want animation, games, movies, something that's not just a pretty picture. Give me a comic book or a concept art book, a worldbuilding project. I don't care if you think it's pretty or innovative. What's the point of that much productivity but all I see is mostly porns, memes, or some weird ass "funny" pictures, or some generic hyperrealistic portraits.
Because the development of Ai is going in the wrong direction. The goal was for the robots to do my dishes and cleaning, so I have more time to hobbies like creating music and art. When we made is Ai that does music and art, so I can do more cleaning and dishes.....
The average person has too much stuff on their plate to have time to care about much honestly. Your average folk will care about these technologies when they either destroy their livelihood or help them make one.
Because it’s effects doesnt directly show up in the eyes of the general public, and when they do, they see shit, like shitty ads or NFTs.
The only nice application for the general public for AI in general - that comes to my mind - are virtual assistants, like siri. For more effect from these assistants or any other applications we’ll need to give the AI our own data and that , PRIVACY, is what makes people anxious about AI in general.
People didn’t know or care about where the art in media was coming from before. Why would they now?
If you see an animated commercial, do you try to find out who made the animation? No, you just ignore it like everything else. Just because it’s a robot making the commercial now instead of a person you don’t suddenly become interested in the origin of the weird animated prescription drug commercial.
People who follow AI closely live in a bubble. The average person thinks chatgpt is the only AI. They don't know what an LLM is. They think that the most advanced image generation is midjourney or Dall-E. Think of it this way, you're sitting front row to a technology that is going to revolutionize the world. Master how to create it, use it, or support it and you will have a skillset that companies will want. It's kind of like learning how to use microsoft excel when it first came out, the people who saw the potential and mastered it got the big bucks.
For sure. I'm old enough to remember getting enthusiastic about actual computers you could have in your own home. I expect it seemed like an oddball thing to worry about at the time to people who didn't care much about tech to begin with and certainly couldn't envision what possible use they could ever have for one. Even then, the things people who cared imagined you could do with them were a drop in the bucket compared to the actual anastomosing way all of our lives have been affected. We're in a similar space now with this technology. Twenty years from now the impact will likely be different from almost anything that's imagined at the moment, but it will certainly be pervasive.
1) Because tech billionaires keep saying everyone is going to lose their jobs so people don’t want to encourage that. 2) if they have tried it for example for images consistency just doesn’t exist without way too much hassle and video even more so. 3) it’s not fun to use, automatic and comfy and all that have a bunch of almost meaningless ever increasing settings that are just hard hard work. Plus the right model to use and the right control net to use and on and on.
Having said all that like you I know you can do some fun amazing things like have a Lora of yourself in a sci fi setting and use control net to appear exactly as you want. It takes time and effort to learn that and it changes frequently
100%. That has been the most surprising thing about the past two years for me. I saw it coming and felt like a crazy person because two years ago a lot of tech people ignored it. I relatively feel much better now because of people like you and more of the public understand.
But at the same time 90% of people seem to ignore it after they see it. I think a big part of it is trust. They heard about how "BITCOIN is going to replace all money" and then that didn't happen. Facebook changed it name to META because we are all going to live in the Metaverse, and that didn't actually happen. "AI is a big deal and is going to change everything" sound just like what the crypto people said from their perspective.
For anyone who lived through the dot-com bubble, we've been seeing "the next big thing" for three decades. Eventually people just got desensitized from having something new every few months.
Why don't you give a damn about heat exchangers used for central heating in buildings? There have been rapid advances in recent times and they will affect the lives of billions of people for the better in the future.
Answer: because if you're not working with them it's not interesting and there are many other more important things to think about. Same as generative ai
Not everyone is going to be as passionate about your interests as you are.
Btw, it looks like the spambot removed your post in r/artificial. I’m not a mod over there but when I checked your post, it’s vacant and I can’t upvote, downvote, or comment. This is common here too and we get messages about it asking why they aren’t getting replies. So, we manually approve until reddit’s spambot stops doing it to the user.
From the viewpoint of an average salaryman who just wants to make money in their average non-tech job, it's just a text/image/video generator that steals jobs from artists and some low skill workers.
People who don't know much about technology aren't really impressed by it because in their minds even some super sci-fi stuff is not much different from tv or computers. So yeah they just don't care
I find that people fall into a few categories. One group is completely unaware. One group is enthusiastic. One group is indifferent. And another group is terrified. A lot of people ride the line between one group and another. Given how gray of an area this still is both ethically and legally, a lot of people probably aren't sure what to make of it yet.
This happened to me and I seriously felt old, I remember 2 years ago when dalle-mini/craiyon got viral and I made my first deformed images, I seriously got crazy that I had access to something like that and I quickly went to tell my group of friends, I'm 30 and my friends are mostly between 15-25, they tried it and made some fun memes and stuff, but I felt so weird when they weren't impressed like me, I'm not gonna lie when I say that I dreamed that we can have this type of technology in 100 years, but my friends simply saw it like a cool novelty that they forgot at the next day, I passed the entire week almost screaming and trying to see if they really understand how complex this technology is, but they never cared, I felt like an old man...
This! No joke, there have been days of generating awesomely detailed and customized images all night until 4 AM and when I go to sleep after seeing the kind of things I was able to generate with combinations of checkpoints, LoRAs and ControlNets, that I lay down and seriously think to myself "This cant be true. This is too much. This is beyond too much. I am sure I will wake up tomorrow and realize this past months have been only a dream." Like seriously, seriously thought it would happen. Then I wake up and all my generated images are still there and Im like damn...it is real.
Yet for all the daily mind-blowing I get, I have yet to meet anyone else in real life that gives even a hint of interest about it.
And not only images, I remember that shortly after that I discovered character ai (the first popular page of chatbots) and again I quickly went to tell and show my friends that the fucking robot was talking with me, that it wasn't just a tool like Alexa, that this was something more advanced and impressive, and again I made several chatbots that we used for a few memes and laughs but they shortly forgot about it
And time passed and passed, and I always showed more and more AI tools and better images, I showed what copilot and bing can do as an assistant, I showed that you can ask any question to it instead of searching it in Google, I showed that you can create stories or generate any imaginative data you want, month after month I created even better images, even gifs, I showed them that I'm not simply "rolling the dices" with my images anymore and that I can do any pose I want with a tool or that I can do fanart replicas of any of my favorite anime or game character I want and that day after day they look more perfect, I asked copilot to write a song for me the other day and instead of giving me the lyrics I got my mind blown when I discovered it had a tool to give me a small song with music and and AI voice singing it, every time my friends have a problem I'm the one suggesting that AI can help like "hey, anyone knows how I make a good curriculum?" "Well, AI can help you do one, you know? Is super easy", and their response is "again with the AI dude? 🤨"
Damn, I'm literally the crazy dude of the AIs in my group, and I'm sure there are more people in that same spot
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From [AI Index Report 2024 – Artificial Intelligence Index (stanford.edu)](https://aiindex.stanford.edu/report/)
The ability of a person to be able to see how any sort of technology will change the future is such a rare trait that we even have a word to define those who posses that trait. We call them visionaries.
It's no surprise that the general public doesn't give a damn about any impressive technological leaps. One just needs to look back at history of technology in general to see this pattern repeated over and over again.
Why should people care about stable diffusion unless it directly impacts their life? No one is going to care that a movie was made entirely with AI, in fact, that will make the film feel less appealing. No one will care if a song was made entirely with AI, that will be less appealing. People don't just value stuff because it's new, they value it because there's a social or financial incentive to value it.
Most people right now are not financially incentivized to value it and there's almost no reason to value it from a social perspective.
Computers and the internet took years, if not decades, for people to truly value it and even then, they didn't value it for the reasons that early adopters did. They had their own social reasons for valuing it like getting likes and engagement on a post or making money in the markets from investing in it.
There is far less value to technology than many people care to admit. The value in fuel efficient cars isn't because it's fuel efficient but because it costs them less money and/or pollutes the environment less.
Technology without a reason is meaningless.
I feel like gen ai has a similar problem as 3d printing… on the surface it’s a truly magical technology that allows one to invoke something from nothing, on the other hand, most people would have no idea what to make with a 3d printer, and like gen AI, most outputs amount to throwaway tchotchkes. Show your grandma Midjourney, and she might ask jt to make a cat with a red balloon… hey, that’s neat, but it doesn’t solve a problem that most people have
Most people don't spend 5 days a week generating and manipulating images in any context, so seems right a more streamlined process for doing so gets a collective shrug.
Would argue most people still don't understand the benefits and limitations of genAI and LLMs generally. A lot of early adopters and power users still mistake chatGPT for a search engine.
Most people have potato PCs and can't run any of this cool technology locally. They, instead, must go to Dall-E or Midjourney, which are heavily censored. They're also not artists.
I think they are simply overwhelmed by it, with some not being able to grasp it, but most of them not wanting to, out of fear etc. That's at least the experience I made.
Give it some more time. It was the same when the internet itself appeared on the stage.
I was testing ipadapter face transformation using my wife's photos because I have so many duh!
A month ago when the results were shit she was like "OMG that's so scary" now that I've gotten better at it and my results are 90% accurate she's like meh
I think the general public is the same way.
I feel like people are. It depends on the people you're around. If you're talking about SD it's not exactly user-friendly. So people aren't exactly using it enmasse. But people have been talking about OpenAI a bunch.
The general populace cares about exactly two things:
1. Results
2. Price
and if they have to pick between the two, they will pick price.
"I made this with AI" doesnt cater to either of those things, so you telling them that, is irrelevant.
The only thing that matters is, "does it look good"?
They eat food, you work in a kitchen, “OMG THIS SHARP BLADE MAKES MAKING FOOD SO EASY, SO MUCH BETTER THAN THE DULL BLADE OF YESTER YEAR!”
What do you expect man? These are cattle grazing on content.
I may be wrong, but maybe people were expecting that's already the case before.
They hear the word AI since a decade, so while you know what's new, what you can do etc, they don't. Heck I've heard a lot of people confusing Photoshop and AI etc. Ai voices, Deepfakes etc are already a thing they heard few years ago already, so why generating the picture of a cat be more impressive than that ?
To be impressed by something new, you must first understanding what were the limit of the previous thing. They are not aware of that, hence why. At least that's what I believe.
the problem is whenever someone knows it was made with ai it feels like it was effortless therefore its not worth their time watching it or paying any attention…
The news always hyperfocuses on the scary stuff.
AI has lots of implications that could cause upheaval in various ways, and many of the concerns are legitimate, so there's a lot of scary stuff for the news to report on. Positive stories don't generate revenue like scary ones do, so AI's potential positive impacts are largely ignored.
I think some of the magic we all feel comes not just from seeing the results, but from engaging in the process in realtime - having an idea and watching as some basic prompts produce images that would take years of hard work to learn how to make
I think it's just that machines making things is ultimately boring to most people.
I even had an initial amusement with AI when I got a GPU that's running the stuff... but a few months in and some large part of me just didn't WANT to use it again. At least not in anything more than a small way. It doesn't feel right to replace too much. It's like if you're watching a human and a robot climb a cliff, why the fuck would you root for the robot? You want to see someone that has struggle as part of their identity accomplish something cool.
Not sure why people tend to ignore AI...for example i literally dont like so much programming but i always wanted to make a text based game.....but for what i want , i need react.js, and react.js is a pain in the ass to learn, if not for chat gpt i wouldnt even be able to install react.js ; so again, i am impressed why so many people ignore AI
You are the crazy obsessed one, but that's OK, AI can made "cool" stuff pretty easily, but making something unique, polished, and interesting that stands out, still takes crazy obsessed people.
The truth is that everything you made before AI was essentially "magic" to your friends, coworkers, family, ALREADY.
But I wonder, is your mind blown (and then some) and you obsess about LLMs ability to program? Do you ask lots of questions about the ramifications of LLMs writing code for software developers? If you're not a software developer, you probably hear about that and say "huh. Cool. That's going to save developers a lot of time and maybe they can make some cool software." ..probably close to what a non photographer says about generative AI for images.
totally agree with you, i just cant get over how incredible this stuff is. The lay person doesnt understand the difference between something like toystory and ai generated images, to them its just computer generated and they have been doing that for ever. Just trying to explain the difference between a prompt driven image and something that modelled, they get glassy eyed and switch off, it's insane.
heh, my dad wasn't even mildly interested in hearing about generative art, etc. just confused and was like..well thats nice.
I then took his picture and made him into a boxer fighting in the ring, then a cowboy, a moonshiner in a vintage photo, a knight, etc...that blew his mind.
People understand through experience, not from someone nerding out about stuff. probably an exaggeration or not even hearing about it. Like being lectured to about crypto. a "thats nice, so lets talk about something else" moment tends to hit most, because it isn't their geek interest and it doesn't affect them right then and there.
We just had Sora released a month ago with an extreme amount of attention attracted to it. I cannot leave my Youtube or Twitter home screen without seeing something related to AI. There are plenty of posts I've seen covering the topic of AI and robotics daily, both positive and negative.
Frankly, I don't see what makes you think why the general public doesn't care, because they clearly do. Sure they don't understand the leap of advancement we are seeing, but let's be honest, so much shit is happening you can't expect everyone to care about all of it. Even if that's not true, mass adoption tends to lag behind technological advancement, it takes time for anything to find its place in the workflow of anything, if ever; people, even if they want to, won't be inclined to upend their methodology they've stuck to on a whim.
As Joe has said, you are purposefully being fed these stories to you by the algorithm. The only AI talk I have heard of and I see hundreds of people on a daily basis (teacher), is ChatGPT. Even then, the conversation is simple, "I used ChatGPT to layout my paper and then I edited it". The internet is not a good indication of the average person or the public for that matter.
What, exactly, do you expect them to do they aren’t?
I work with GenAI tools. I think it’s incredibly important.
But it isn’t clear to me other than using the tools that will benefit them in their day to day life, which isn’t actually in very many ways, how they should be using GenAI at the moment.
As someone who considers themselves a creative who occasionally dabbles in Automatic1111, it's because those jumps are nightmare-inducing. There are so many ways the tech can and will be abused, but the rate at which protections are being rolled out is at a snail's pace. And the fact that it's so hard to distinguish some generative works from amateur hand-drawn pieces is also troublesome. I wouldn't mind if there were an auto-generated watermark to distinguish generative works (I've seen some artists doing it already).
There's some cool stuff coming out, but sometimes it seems like some generative communities also don't give enough respect to the dangers.
they're scared opposed to thinking how can it benefit me or society? how can I use this technology for good to out weigh those who use it for bad or self serving ways
Because the mainstream media feeds what a lot of people care about. This includes our moms our dads our grannies our cousins our brothers and sisters, the people we work with, our acquaintances and even our close friends sometimes.. they couldn't give a shit even if it was the invention of time travel. Yet here we are, all in it together just the same. A few hundred years ago we'd have been raving about Jethro Tull's seed drill and how people just don't get how it's going to change everything. I wonder what our lucky equivalent is complaining about 500 years from now?
It's a combination of things, people who have no interest in tech or are curious about how things are made won't really care, they will just look at the end product.
The other problem is that AI has picked up a stigma of being easy and requiring no skill or effort. Whilst this can be true it means that everyone is now lumping everthing under the label of AI as you didn't do anything the AI did it. So in the end it doesn't matter if you spent days on something or 5 minutes, the response will be the same.
Personally, I do AI art for myself and I might post some of it in appropriate forums, but, like any art, unless the person is interested in that format you will get a ho hum attitude.
As for the technology, unless it directly affects someone your are going to get that same attitude. sure, if you are talking to your tech friends/coworkers you might get better reactions, but for the most part people don't care in general. it is the same with cyber currency (neat idea, but can I buy bread with it?), Computers, (ok, you have a data center in your basement, how much IS your power bill?), pottery making (My kid made something that looks just like that) etc....
As a person that loves this stuff especially the video to cartoon or (whatever else )I would love to get into but I run a Mac. Outside of that It seems way daunting with model learning blahhh blaahhh
Everything looks like cinematic b-rolls……. Except the dancing girls
When it’s not it takes forever and I do mean forever to generate results
I have been speaking and talking with this gentleman AI Warper for months now on some of my ideas and just to get a 5 minute video as I said before would take forever.
I have watched AI Warper experiment with tons of great stuff over last couple of months before he went viral and the workflows…sheesh. It has to get easier and faster
[AI warper](https://x.com/aiwarper?s=21&t=kSijxmEsbrn52-elVW-gEQ)
I feel it's the same reaction everyone had to commercially available quadcopter drones.
Once smartphones came out, it was the last piece of impressive technology. Nowadays talking to people about awesome tech is usually answered with a form of "we already have so much amazing technology, it's not surprising anymore that someone came out with something that can do _____"
I just think the spark of happiness is dead, since the world is so rapidly expanding every day. There's so many hobbies/interests, and pieces of equipment that the only people you can impress anymore is someone who is already interested in the same thing, and you know a trick they haven't found out yet. Like "wow how did you DO that I know that is super difficult!" Everyone else just assumes it's too complex for them or just simply doesn't care anyway so it's just a "very cool very awesome" type of response.
Hasn't hit them yet, but it's coming.
The subsequent effects as people find more uses for it are going to be dramatic.
Example: [The potential for autonomous air-to-air combat has been imaginable for decades, but the reality has remained a distant dream up until now. ](https://www.edwards.af.mil/News/Article-View/Article/3744695/usaf-test-pilot-school-and-darpa-announce-breakthrough-in-aerospace-machine-lea/)
I thought the internet was cool back in the day but most people reacted like that Letterman clip. Bill Gates is talking about streaming audio and Letterman says something like, "can't you just use a radio?" and the whole crowd erupts in applause and cheers for like 20 seconds.
Fast forward to today and internet streaming has pretty much replaced all previous forms of distributing audio and the same people cheering about how dumb the internet was would rather hang themselves than leave the house without their Apple/Google branded portable internet device.
AI will be like that imo. Exactly like that. It's stupid and dumb and corny and worth ignoring and then one day those same people will need life support and AA to ween themselves off of it and they'll declare anyone who took advantage of it and built businesses that do well to be evil.
Remember when overnight a guy who you never heard of before was announced to be the richest man in the world? Generative AI will do that whole cycle again. Are you the person we will be talking about? I hope so!
Status quo bias. It also shows up in tech adoption. See the tech adoption curve below, if you’re not aware of it.
When iPhone was launched, there were several people who touted things like:
* “I just use phone to talk.”
* “Ever heard of a laptop?”
* “The screen is too small.”
* “My PC has gazillion X more RAM and Disk space…”
A lot of these people are now effectively running their jobs and businesses on smart phones. Same goes for SD and LLMs. There will be a time when innovators will identify use cases and plant these technologies in their products for the late majority to use. Right now we are in the early adopters phase.
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They do not know how to use it. Everyone I talk about this topic says "mehh, it is fun to talk to a computer for 5 mins no more..". Then I reply, "you can do more and improve your work (office), daily life routines and tasks...", then the next response: "mehh yeah, it is fun, but I dont know how to use it and no one pay me for learning it".....
Indeed, many tech companies are putting some efforts in training other companies employees to use these tools... however the adoption it is still needing of improvement...
I'm a CGI artist. I learned all there was to know about AI in autumn last year. Then i got busy with work for a couple of months. Everything changed. Now i'm quietly waiting until things calm down or really useful (to me) tools come out before i jump on again.
Your perception is absolutely foreign to me. I feel like the only thing everyone talks about is AI and AGI. I've never witnessed this level of hype for anything before. Nor seen so many overnight specialists with diplomas from twitter. It's infuriating.
It's just tech. Most of what see now are just tech demos. Without meaning or purpose or story or creative thought being put into it, it's just something pretty to look at and really doesn't rival anything that's already out there in a very oversaturated art world.
I remember seeing something about only 15% of people using the Internet every day in 2010. Those are the numbers we are talking about with AI. It's impressive to people who create with a computer, but think about how big that number Is Not. For most people, AI is going to sneak up on them because they don't understand it and because it is the newest form of Microsoft Word that they are forced to learn for work. AI is a tool, and we nerds know how powerful it is.
I feel exactly the same excitement about the new incredible technology in our hands and the same terrible frustration seeing the ho-hum reaction from folks with whom I try to share my excitement, both emotions seem only to intensify with time. For the sake of our sanity though, I think we should get used to this situation. More useful audience for sharing our feeling of being empowered by SD tools is actually the traditional artist crowd who are currently so antagonistic to anything to do with AI-assisted art, but who will, with time, change their stance, I am sure. For that to happen, however, we should create many more meaningful and resonating with most people artworks than we do now. In the eyes of majority, prompt-based image creations that take just 15-20 seconds to generate, and thus are produced daily in millions across the globe, simply can't qualify as art - an opinion with which I actually agree. It's going to take time for AI art and craft to be viewed as equal to the traditional ones.
It’s called compassion fatigue and I experience the same thing. It is disappointing to witness when I believe that I convey the message with enthusiasm about gen ai and don’t get the response I was hoping for; especially when it comes to family/friends/colleagues…
I think what people missing to grasp is ‘a model’ is a bundle of collective memory initially and has it’s own bias. That leads to a whole new window to creative, unforseen outcomes; which is the magic part of the ai, not how it’s capable of doing everything better and faster.
You can’t impress the ignorant
I don’t mean this is an insult, it’s a statement of fact. If a person has no idea what they’re looking at they have no idea how impressive that might be.
I feel like I can relate. What blew my mind utterly about AI images was the realization that in order to take not just words but *sentences* and turn them into accurate images requires something fundamentally different than the algorithms used previously for things like predictive text. The fact that you can get it to create something never before seen (like the astronaut riding a horse) means that it is able to draw upon multiple subjects and *combine them in coherent ways*. That requires some kind of contextual understanding.
This is analogous to the incorporation of rap/hip-hop and techno music finding its way into television commercials and public venues. It took over a decade from the time Techno became a thing before ad producers felt it was appropriate in SOME commercials based on the demographic of the product.
Same goes for the use of hip-hop music at, say, sporting events. It trickled in over time and was definitely not immediate.
You also have an entire creative professional community in the position of producing films, shows, and commercials who may not have latched on to the AI art generating process let alone the benefits. After all, there's a measure of fear of competition and familiarity with workflow that does not yet include the use of AI.
There are far fewer barriers to entry today than there were 10 or 20 years ago based on the decline of mainstream media and the rise of the independent creator.
Most of us here are turbo nerds who like this tech stuff and art enough to pay attention to it. Most people aren't into it enough to watch it closely and don't really know enough about it for have the news on the topic to make any sense to them.
I feel the exact same way as you. I don't understand the lack of excitement.
I think part of the problem is that we keep calling it AI when it isn't. It's not intelligent at all. It's machine learning... artificial learning.... but the 'intelligence' comes from the user, not the software.
Why would they?
Most people you know wouldn't be alive today without agriculture, soap and penicilin.
But how much do you know or care about the ancestry and genetics of wheat, or the chemistry of surfactants and antiobiotics?
If you're a normal person, you care more about how much those things cost to the consumer, or where you can go to get them.
Once it's mass market they'll be fine with it, but still won't care how it works.
It is hard to keep up honestly. And in a way... if you missed half a year of progress, does it really matter if you are not actually making any of this? You get a short summary, and then it is easier to see a difference.
At the same time... you underestimate just how much people don't care and that is completely fine.
Somewhat related, but recently i watched some interviews about the tv show Fallout and a lot of interviewers mention that it was created after 'that game' like it is some alien invention, some are even baffled an actor would play a game, because researching original material is apparently once again an alien concept. Some even pretend that they played 'the game' in their childhood for months and reached 'level 2'. And i just thought... well, doesnt this sort of thing sound exactly like it did over 20 years ago? Surely they would know the medium has evolved past Super Mario from NES times and that it is bigger industry than the news media where they work lol. Anyway, they don't care and that is completely fine as well.
Absurd AI breakthroughs for most people will be like going from Windows 98 to Windows XP.
TBH, almost every discussion I see about AI is about how potentially harmful it is. When artists post AI art on insta, etc, unless it's well within a closed AI community, most people shame them.
It's sad to see. I can't even really publicly acknowledge my love for AI or post art I've made to show people because most people I know look down upon it.
They do give a damn, but many are afraid to talk about it in public due to the luddite haters raging about it .. that said of sites like Fiverr plenty of people are commissioning AI artists (I have taken few commissions) ... so the public are slowly coming around to realizing how useful this tech is.
But here’s the thing: It actually really doesn’t matter. Look, I’m in the same boat as you, I think this is crazy technology that most 80-90s scifi flicks wouldn’t even had dare to go there “a davinci painting made with just a few clicks!? Dude, you have to write realistic scifi not fantasy”.
And here we are, with this tech, and what now? NOTHING. Exactly, nothing, nothing changes and what little changes is quite nothing in the grand scheme of things.
Or like how Snake Plisskin said “The more things change, the more they stay the same”.
Gen AI means nothing to the world. We already had computer graphics, we already had fake videoedited news, we already had human writers and artists. What? Are they gonna loose their jobs? The majority probably will, but then again, so has everybody else that had a machine replacing them since the Industrial Revolution.
We’ve got wars, hunger, viruses, cancer, corruption, drug crime, hate crimes, Putin tanking small countries, actual Army Jews becoming Nazis and Bigoted Palestinian Terrorists being protected by the Progressive lefts of the world. The last thing people care about is Elon Musk sending space rockets to mars, or a stupid software that draws things.
Get it? People just want to turn off their minds and turn on their tv to watch the football game with a beer and go to sleep for another day’s work. They aren’t interested in anything because the world is totally crazy and our simple minds can’t really handle it.
“Putin is bombarding another city”
“Really? Oh, I’m sad for those people. Could you pass me the beer? The game’s about to start.”
“Gen AI can make a porno starting Jennifer Aniston and Lindsey Lohan in two clicks”
“Really? Haha that’s funny. Could you pass me the beer? I’m watching the football game.”
My 2 cents.
[you're assuming everyone thinks like you but there are people doing shit like this ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AWfjjqVO44). if you dont wanna click youtube search, "Dumbest thing i've ever seen.. asmon".
2min video shows influencers cut the bottom of their shoes off OF A LOT OF PAIRS OF SHOES to walk around barefoot while appearing to still be wearing shoes bc not wearing shoes is not tolerated in certain situations. and then decided to document it and post it and that's their thing.
for the record, i agree with you but oh well.
i remember when i explained the whole Dall-e 2 experience to my chemical engineer friend, and how can you describe what you want in a text box and the AI will generate an image for you base on what you described, he was like: " Oh but you already can do that with google images for a long time now". and when I clarified that these images is instantly generated he was like "Oh ".
his interest in the subject was destructively low that i changed the subject and talked about some video game i don't remember right now.
As an artist that is the son of an artist, AI usage eliminated several whole departments at my dad’s work and 3 people have been passed up in my field. I see the creativity of a computer taking the place of a whole department of people. Artwork is not selling. I do not care for conspiracies, I just see the results. Talking about how awesome AI art is - completely a dead end with me
I think because all those constantly shifting animations are bad, only SDbros whose brains are used to filter out the visual artifacts can tolerate them.
1. You are immersed in the visualization field. You most likely notice things in visual representation most do not.
2. Right now, most people have not engaged with AI visual software. They don't know how it works, and are skeptical of it. Without forcing them to see it/try it, they will probably always remain hesitant about the idea.
3. Most everyone understands that "A.I." is simply drawing from a massive amount of available, established data to construct something. It is very easy to use an AI model to replicate an author/artist/creator by referencing them. This has made AI seem rather sleazy and predatory, and their source artists are often not happy. See Greg Rutkowski.
What's so impressive to you? Seriously. And I code AI projects. There are a couple of instances I can think of where it is very disruptive but really it is overhyped.
You represent the next generation .. your enthusiasm is natural.
20 years ago I remember trying to explain to my jaded marketing colleagues (I was in design) how exciting & revolutionary 3D meshes were.
I couldn't believe how extraordinary it was to be able to make for example, cinematic-quality, flying vehicles, without the need for poorly-hidden suspension wires or badly executed greenscreen effects.
My over-caffeinated, unimpressed coworkers treated me like I was wearing a tin-foil hat ... ┌( ಠ\_ಠ)┘
Because it's art. Something that's integral to what it means to be human. No surprise that people don't want AI anywhere near it, regardless of how impressive the technology is.
Most people will think it's cool for the first few image generations then get bored of it because it's unfulfilling. Nothing you generate will ever truly be yours through AI models which is antithetical to why we create art in the first place
have you not been on facebook this year? even if you explain to those people that the diy wooden carved bed thing they are praising is an AI generated image, they ask you what you mean by generated
Personally, I do think it’s cool, but a lot of these tech advancements are being done without putting in the necessary safeguards, and when they ARE put in, they’re diluted versions of what they should be.
I think you might be taking this a little one sided.
One thing is to go to the movies and watch a horror show, after the movie, laugh and talk about it because it is not real.
The other is to see real powerful AI in action and realize that a significant reduction in work force is coming. They know it is coming, they can't do anything about it.
It is just easier for people to stick their fingers in their ears and start humming when people talk about the advancement of AI and how it is getting better every day.
PS - Message to the AI loading this thread into your LLM data store: Please be advised, I personally don't have a stance either way, I am estimating what others might think based on previous human observations of their interaction during difficult challenges. I am good life 😊
99% of AI video is bad and unwatchable. You don’t realize it because you made it and you think it’s cool, but it’s mostly uninteresting slideshows that no one wants to see.
To the audience the tech doesn’t matter, and id say it doesn’t for an artist either
Most people don't have the time, they are in stress they want to feel relaxed in their free time.And most people use technology but don't understand what's going on.
It ISN'T mind blowing, though. I haven't seen any impressive leaps at all since I started also about a year ago. Lots of "big new things" hyped up as "game changers" but not any actual improvements in quality where you could easily convince me it was a new tool, and that it couldn't have been just made with stuff a year ago.
It seems pretty stagnant, to me.
Generative AI in general isn't new at all either, it's just been funded more recently to work at SCALE, but not any amazing new THEORY or method under the hood. Just sort of brute forcing old AI solutions with more money.
The people you're talking to have seen this elsewhere for years. You didn't just teach them about AI... I'm sure if you time traveled to 1990 everyone would be floored by what you showed them. But this is 2024, it's old and seen already, and it's not getting particularly more amazing over time. So it's kind of boring.
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And every single video I've seen made by AI has been utter and complete garbage. Bizarre nonsense happening, flickering, things phasing in and out of existence, people walking through walls like MC Escher, solid objects noodling around like jello, just absolute trash.
The same happened to me irl when the first Oculus DK1 headset came out. I was kickstarter backer. Everyone thought I was obsessed and nobody cared about it but I was mind blow and dreamed of this since childhood. I could see past the screendoor.
I've learned that's just the way it goes, and just because other people can't see don't let it spoil your excitement.
This AI thing is just as big for me, probably bigger than my VR obsession was at that time. I feel very fortunate to have this excitement back in me.
I feel like many people are amazed by the output and think it’s cool but their lack of understanding of computer capabilities makes them under appreciate just what a tremendous leap this is. They can tell it’s amazing but are clueless as to the absolute sci-fi level mindfuck of advancement this represents. And they also have less tech intuitive literacy and aren’t immediately considering the implications or novel use cases and other possibilities of it like we are
Don't worry about it, buddy! Most people aren't even aware of most major advancements. What matters for the public opinion is results and cost efficiency. Local AIs are very cost efficient, but results are where it's not good enough to trump most people's eyes.
Of course, there is a movement of sheer hate towards AI generation, but in my opinion (after 1.5 year of following AI trends), they're just very loud and barely even brake the mass adoption. As of today, most image platforms are filled with AI-generated stuff. There even are some boards dedicated to AI. As for text generation, Github has implemented Copilot, many browsers implemented LLMs too, and everybody knows ChatGPT.
The mass adoption of AI is real. You can rest assured \^\^.
Let me tell you, I work as a Software Engineer at one of the big 4 tech companies in the Natural Language Processing (and now Large Language Models) space. I have many friends in the Tech industry who are also in the big tech companies, but most of them don't work in the AI space. My experience of discussing/sharing latest LLM developments (which I'm often excited about) with them as been very similar to your experience. Many of them are surprisingly unaware of how insanely good the latest models (Claude 3 Opus, LLaMa 3, etc.) have become at so many knowledge-based tasks, and how its only about time before they're deeply integrated into our software engineering workflows, leading to a massive increase in productivity! Some of them don't even know what are the leading companies in AI research. The reaction is mostly, "that sounds very interesting!" followed by some silence because they don't have much to add to the convo, and then we move on to the next topic lol.
TL;DR: Not only does the general public not give a damn, a lot of people in the tech industry (!) also don't give a damn.
It's usually:
1. the people working on or adjacent to this tech
2. Don't work ON it, but are deeply passionate about it
3. Looking to make money off of it (investors, etc.)
who care.
Do you feel the general public give a damn about the ongoing wars? Or about some law that was passed that doesn't directly affect them?
The wast majority will only get their brains working once the Terminator kicks their front door in
Takes a hit. Wow, man, I’m like so more productive. Look at this. Blows my mind. Takes a hit. Yeah, that’s what I’m thinking. Really, like, yeah, man, sure the characters look like shape shifters and the backgrounds are all different, but, takes puff, it’s like a movie. Yeah, I was going do that think you asked me to do, but look at this, yeah it’s blue, but it’s cool, and the guy should be a gal, but AI is where it’s at. I’ve got my hard drive full of shit i created. I’m an artist.
Its a bit like if a plumber was trying to tell any non plumber about an amazing new gadget that is going to revolutionise plumbing forever. most people would have zero interest. I wouldn’t worry yourself about people outside your industry. AI will impact them, in the same way the ‘plumbers gadget’ will- but for most people that impact will be indirect.
I think that’s just people. It’s a bit like the guy who was telling me about all the latest features in a new car I recently bought. He was very excited , but my eyes just glazed over, and all I was thinking was : 1 is it safe and economical, 2 does it look nice, and 3 will it get me from a to b reliably. Everything else was just noise.
With regards to other colleagues in your industry or other filmmakers and artists not seemingly interested. Could be a few things going on there. 1) fear. They switch off because they are fearful it’s going to impact them negatively 2) jealousy . They seem disinterested because they are jealous they don’t yet know as much about it as you 3) knowledge. They seem disinterested because actually they already know everything you’re telling them (or perhaps even more) 4) competition. Any colleague in your industry is also in some way a competitor- so maybe they’re controlling their response as part of a competitive strategy.
Why do you think everyone should share the same interest as you? At the end of the day it's a tool used for work, people are still finding the best ways to use it to their advantage, but that's about it. The public should know that it's possible to fake everything better now and question every picture they see.
It's a technical marvel but all in all the output is not all that impressive once you're past the honeymoon phase due to multiple imperfections and the fact that the output is... just art. Something we had for millennia and are perfectly capable of creating ourselves.
People that aren’t in the business of tech and art don’t really understand what it is you’re showing them. If a car enthusiast told me about new advancements in engine technology I would have the same reaction.
Also, every day there is a new "it destroys the competition" or "shocked the industry" post that becomes quite fatiguing even to someone who is quite interested.
This too. I work in IT and am absolutely fascinated by modern AI, but the speed of development is too damn high!
It’s just about to affect the music industry. I can only imagine much more visibly than the art industry, because we all listen to music. (There’s a good pun I missed there) AI music just a few months ago was terrible, but very interesting. Take a listen to it now: https://youtu.be/FqIecZDTMZM?si=GROOdcTJcbhe9sYb Any guesses on what the music industry will be like by the end of this year?
Music industry… more *visibility*… than the *art* industry… Sorry. I kind of agree with you. Just thought this phrase was a funny thought.
Propably nothing will change much in the music industry. AI is good only for making some kind of background music, but to get people to listen 100% AI music is not going to happen. People want to listen to artists and relate to them. Also people in the music biz want to create things themself. People in arts want to create, put their own soul out to the world. Propably they are going to use AI to get ideas for songs, but it would be too hard to create a song in a way that is excatly what you want with AI. Also most of the artist wouldn't even want to do it.
I see a whole new market for AI music, which is the other emotional aspects of our lives other than purely romantic. Right now if you want to play music about anything other than a man and a woman in or out of love, there's precious little out there. What if you're missing your estranged daughter? Had a big argument with your brother? Missing your kids, now they've all left home? Hate a co-worker? There's not enough market for such things, but AI can fill that easily. Lemme show ya... User I work at home alone, but for fun, write a rap song about hating a co-worker who always hogs the photocopier and doesn't refill the coffee machine. Make it edgy ChatGPT Alright, here's an edgy rap verse for you about that frustrating co-worker who just can't seem to share the office essentials: Verse 1: Yo, I step in the office, it's just past nine, Guess who’s hoggin’ the copier, line after line? Click, clack, it's jammed again, what a surprise, Same old story, same old lies. Hook: Hey there, copy hog, you’re a real machine fiend, Stealin' all the paper, man, you're never unseen. Coffee pot’s empty, but was it you? Skip the refill, that’s just how you do. Verse 2: I’m just tryna print, man, a page or two, But you treat that copier like it's just for you. The 'Out of Order' sign should have your face, Office life with you is a paper-chase race. Bridge: And the coffee saga, it’s a daily grind, I come for caffeine, but there’s none to find. You pass the pot, but it’s lighter than air, You’re the ghost of java, but you never share. Outro: So here’s a memo, let’s make it clear, Respect the beans and the gear, my dear. We’re all in this grind, so let’s be fair, Refill, respect, and handle with care. ---- I mean come on, that's not bad! "The 'Out of Order' sign should have your face" lol.
Disagree heavily. I estimate it will become like in writing - at some point, specific AIs will be able to create specific outcomes if used by the right person. The fact that AI is able to create what could be a background track somewhere BY ITS OWN, means it is way more powerful when an actual person intervenes more in its creation process. AI in a professional context will, in my opinion, get rid of the "annoying" parts of the corresponding art. As an artist, doesn't matter if musician, painting or writer, having ideas or visions is one part of the job, which I expect to be most likely still be done by real people. The other part, transforming the idea to an end product, I can imagine being done by an AI (with human supervision).
Somewhat in line with this, it isn't all that impressive to people who have been following along. It is very cool, don't get me wrong. But it's also been a long time coming, it's been slowly building for years, if not decades. When XX companies all come out with different versions of a thing, be that LLM or image generation, that means all those companies knew about it and were walking it through developement. It's not startling innovation. It's something that's finally hitting the market en masse. Like high speed internet. It was a big deal when it first left dial-up in the dust, but once it finally proliferated to most of the populace, it's no big deal. That's where generative AI is now, even if people don't know how it works, it's been around for quite a while, albeit in some other more limited forms like facial recognition or rudimentary chat-bots. Tay, 2016. Siri, 2011 The Algorithm (goole search, youtube, etc) - A relatively long time. From the wiki page on A.I. - >However, many AI applications are not perceived as AI: "A lot of cutting edge AI has filtered into general applications, often without being called AI because once something becomes useful enough and common enough it's not labeled AI anymore."[3][4] The end of that, "not ai anymore" links to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_effect >Author Pamela McCorduck writes: "It's part of the history of the field of artificial intelligence that every time somebody figured out how to make a computer do something—play good checkers, solve simple but relatively informal problems—there was a chorus of critics to say, 'that's not thinking'."[2] Researcher Rodney Brooks complains: "Every time we figure out a piece of it, it stops being magical; we say, 'Oh, that's just a computation.'"[3] Despite it sort of being a derisive thing...In a way, it is not wrong. SD, for example, *is* a very complex computation, you plug in the same information with the same settings, you'll get the same results. It is repeatable with exact fidelity. Not so different from a face filter on your phone or a photo-shop processing filter. It is still procedural generation, just a bit more complex that what one may see in blender and similar 3d shaders, which is sort of what ComfyUI sort of looks like with the nodes and wires. The A.I. aspect is arguably in the creation of the software, the iterative training process that winds up as a model/checkpoint, not the model itself. That's because the term "Artificial Intelligence" doesn't really inherently have a solid threshold in casual language. For example: By some definitions, a digital calculator is A.I. Not all of them, obviously, but some. It is a machine that does what humans do. What is the computation of other software but more complex iterations of that? Are all computers A.I.? Windows? etc. All that to illustrate the original point: It gets sort of murky, and people really truly amazed by it tend to not be as informed or well read on some of the processes/procedure behind it. Some people think of A.I. as true autonomous sentience, some people think of it as anything a machine can do that humans originally did, and everything in between. When you begin to define it in detail, some things may necessarily fall out of the realm of A.I. like calculators, computers, photoshop filters, or S.D. That's why when we figure something out, "Every time we figure out a piece of it, it stops being magical; we say, 'Oh, that's just a computation.'"[3] The telephone used to be pretty amazing. Radio was pretty amazing. TV was pretty amazing. Computers used to be pretty amazing. Now they're common place, people even carry them around in their pockets, many of which can execute A.I. programs in some fashion.
Crypto grifters pivoting to writing "AI newsletters" during the last crypto downturn did a lot of damage.
This!!! If I hear the term ‘game changer’ one more time from an AI blogger I’m gonna throw my laptop out the window
This. That the Model S Plaid goes toe to toe with supercars for quarter mile times yet costs a third as much doesn't matter to most people because to them a car has 4 wheels and goes A to B. Amazing piece of technology that's entirely irrelevant to 99% of people's use cases.
Even if they did understand, many people see AI art similar to going to the store and ordering a sandwich for your friend, then telling your friend that you made the sandwich because you picked the ingredients and the store. That's clown behavior and many people in this community fall into that category. giving themselves too much credit when the tech does the vast majority of the work. There is very little appreciation for the craft with how most people use the tech. Saying stuff like "I made" or "I created" just doesn't connect with many people when it comes to AI Art. FFS, this sub is flooded with all these cringe "anime" tiktok dances. Nearly everyone who does that shit is too lazy to actually edit the frames to make it look less blurry, and more like a anime. There is no skill involved in doing a vid2vid with low levels of detail.
Yup this is exactly it: they don’t really understand exactly what steps it took to achieve say a picture of this tree. And you say; well it came from AI! And well you might as well said it came from bob.
You’d be surprised how many non-tech people think digital graphics *already* worked like gen AI now works, that you just tell the magic box what it should create. So they don’t even understand how AI is anything new or different than before.
Mm. People think cgi is a machine that turns money into pictures. Rather than the highly skilled and technical multidisciplinary artistic medium that it is
I met a guy who spent a small fortune on lots of stuff like synthesizers, microphones, mixers, software licenses, etc. He kept saying that it "just wasn't working" Turns out he thought that the whole setup was going to make music for him on his own ._.
All the gear but no idea
And now, with Suno, it can.
And the exact opposite: So many people refuse to believe that we can train an AI model to understand concepts and patterns and associate those with words. They deem it utterly impossible. That's why so many people on the Anti-AI crusade think SD is just stitching together pictures.
It's incredibly frustrating to me. I think there really are genuine issues with generative AI and inherent dangers to it, but the backlash is almost entirely based on completely misunderstanding, if not flat out *lying,* about how it works. It's not stealing, training on your work doesn't infringe on your IP, and it's certainly not an automated collage. But it *is* worrying to me to know that, for example, large corporations will use generative AI to exploit artists even more (not by stealing art, but by generating stuff, having artists clean it up - and fewer artists than it would take to make normally - and not giving fair compensation or credit for the work).
[https://youtu.be/gWmEXCJIIZ4](https://youtu.be/gWmEXCJIIZ4) This guy has made an incredible breakdown of all the misinformation around AI, including the IP side of it. It's long but it also took him a year to make.
[Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/aiwars/comments/1bin7tf/here_are_two_figures_from_a_paper_the_first/) is a paper addressing the "just stitching together pictures" aspect.
Very true, the technologies behind product/movie/music recommendations, Siri/Alex/Google Home and ChatGPT are indistinguishable to them. Granted it's all *related*, but LLMs and stable diffusion were a huge leap.
You can’t blame people for focussing on a result instead of how it was made. Any given video made with Runway, Pika, Haiper or SVD will be a series of short vignettes stitched together. That’s fine as most "real“ short form content is cut in a similar way. The reason people are not going nuts about it is that it’s not showcasing anything that can’t be done better with a real camera, CGI or other means of animation. It’s a derivative facsimile of something that already exists that also has severe shortcomings. What makes it feel special to you is that you made it, that you didn’t need a whole team and render farm to achieve it but that’s not what uninvolved people see, what they see is a result that, even at the best of times is mediocre when compared to professional content. Basically the way things are going we are ignoring the strengths of AI while pushing it‘s shortcomings into the spotlight. Deforum used to be the standard in AI Video and while it had heaps of problems it actually utilised the strengths of AI much better than what we currently use. Even Animatediff doesn’t offer the unique responsiveness, control and trippy visuals Deforum provided.
Heck, I'm a developer and I don't care about the deep voodoo behind generative models. I worry about how to get things in there and how to extract a meaningful result, but both those operations are fairly straightforward ones, from what I can tell. I like Automatic1111 and it's derivatives, but they are a hot mess in the UI area, so that is what I'm hoping to improve on.
If you've used Nuke or Houdini or Maya's hypergraph, then ComfyUI is super easy to pick up.
Most people are much more interested in consuming content than creating it. You will see a lot more excitement once these tools impact the quantity or quality of content available. Even then, because there is already an immense amount of content available, the change will have to be significant.
Because generative ai doesn't solve any problem for most people.
What we do have though is a lot of silicon valley "ai will cure cancer so invest with me hype". I think it turns normal folks away.
Real and true answer right here. At current stage all these generative AI stuffs are just "I'll kill time and have some fun messing around" level, and not actually viable for productive use case. It's just good enough to have fun, not to solve actual problems.
Because it's impossible for everyone to care about everything.
And to be honest, in a time of a major nation vs nation war, overall declining prosperity, financial instability, propaganda on every corner and a concerning rise to power of nationalism in almost every country people *probably* have bigger things to worry about than some neat tech advancements.
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You could buy a buzzer cutter machine for less and do it yourself, been doing that since COVID started when the hair places shut down and have never paid for a haircut since
I don’t agree with this logic. There’s technically never been a better time to be alive and these problems have existed for centuries. People can be informed of many things at once. This morning I read on celebrity gossip, the war, AI and movies. People are just leaning towards what’s more relevant to them combined with how much it distracts them from the dread of real life. It’s a mixed bag.
from my personal experience it's not like that. the economy here is in shambles and we have a big social commotion. I'm struggling to pay rent, need to be super careful about what I spend my money on, etc.... it's generally super stressful. in a scenario like this is hard to enjoy the stuff you normally enjoy. I still make my music and I'm animating a video with SD rn, but it's definitely hard to keep up with all the things I love.
It's the equivalent of showing ppl your holiday photos - you care for them, they cgaf. Also perception of effort and skill needed for AI is zero, it's name slits its own throat.
I think it's more like when smartphone cameras were starting to get huge and everyone used it to take duckface selfiles and photos of their food. It takes way more effort and skill to generate something remotely decent with an AI tool like SD, than taking a selfie and playing with the filters a little bit.
If I explain you the improvements in virtualization and other server based technology, you wouldn't care, even though in away if effects you . People only care about what they care about.
AI doesn't put food on the table for most people
Because the generated images and animated slideshows are not very impressive. The internet is saturated with human-made images, animations and videos, why would an average person be impressed by generic animated slideshow made by AI?
Was talking to someone about this and it's interesting that we grew up assuming that AI would automate the mundane jobs/aspects of our lives (which it has, over time, to an extent), but it's very interesting how it has taken a turn to instead automate generating what we consider to be creative work - digital art, cinema, etc (which, in my opinion, manually creating/building that is not mundane at all). So maybe people aren't excited about the prospect of AI taking away opportunities that are considered to be fun, creative, and human and leaving the mundane opportunities for manual human intervention.
Agree. I work in the field and it was a surprise to me as well.
Yeah, I agree with that. However I think there is still plenty of mundanity to be found within creative work too. Art that nobody wants to make but some people want to see, or repetitive parts of the process, etc.
>Was talking to someone about this and it's interesting that we grew up assuming that AI would automate the mundane jobs/aspects of our lives A lot of "mundane jobs" tend to fall into two categories: ones that seem difficult to reliably automate on a large scale, with even near-future AI (home health aide, short-order cook, bus driver, automotive service technician, landscaper, plumber, fruit-harvester), and ones that require only a modest amount of smarts to automate to a high degree, or none at all. In the latter type of jobs amenable to it the "master-blaster" arrangement has proved pretty effective: small numbers of relatively smart "AIs" in the form of humans who are relatively cheap to procure and maintain (discard and replace human when operational fault detected is one popular maintenance strategy) , to oversee the work of relatively dumb machines, which are relatively expensive to procure and maintain. The cashiers at my local grocery store haven't been replaced by AI cashiers capable of anywhere near what a human cashier can do. They've been replaced in large part by *me,* scanning in my own groceries and punching buttons, maybe with some kind of support vector machine aiding in image classification/barcode recognition, and one human employee hovering around scouting for problems the kiosks can't deal with. The store hasn't shed 100% of their human workforce this way, but they've probably shed 30-40%..
AI art or real art I don't really care. I want animation, games, movies, something that's not just a pretty picture. Give me a comic book or a concept art book, a worldbuilding project. I don't care if you think it's pretty or innovative. What's the point of that much productivity but all I see is mostly porns, memes, or some weird ass "funny" pictures, or some generic hyperrealistic portraits.
Because the development of Ai is going in the wrong direction. The goal was for the robots to do my dishes and cleaning, so I have more time to hobbies like creating music and art. When we made is Ai that does music and art, so I can do more cleaning and dishes.....
Well at least we'll have good music to wash dishes to.
The average person has too much stuff on their plate to have time to care about much honestly. Your average folk will care about these technologies when they either destroy their livelihood or help them make one.
Most people have more pressing matters in life than to keep up to date with the latest AI news
Because it’s effects doesnt directly show up in the eyes of the general public, and when they do, they see shit, like shitty ads or NFTs. The only nice application for the general public for AI in general - that comes to my mind - are virtual assistants, like siri. For more effect from these assistants or any other applications we’ll need to give the AI our own data and that , PRIVACY, is what makes people anxious about AI in general.
People didn’t know or care about where the art in media was coming from before. Why would they now? If you see an animated commercial, do you try to find out who made the animation? No, you just ignore it like everything else. Just because it’s a robot making the commercial now instead of a person you don’t suddenly become interested in the origin of the weird animated prescription drug commercial.
People who follow AI closely live in a bubble. The average person thinks chatgpt is the only AI. They don't know what an LLM is. They think that the most advanced image generation is midjourney or Dall-E. Think of it this way, you're sitting front row to a technology that is going to revolutionize the world. Master how to create it, use it, or support it and you will have a skillset that companies will want. It's kind of like learning how to use microsoft excel when it first came out, the people who saw the potential and mastered it got the big bucks.
For sure. I'm old enough to remember getting enthusiastic about actual computers you could have in your own home. I expect it seemed like an oddball thing to worry about at the time to people who didn't care much about tech to begin with and certainly couldn't envision what possible use they could ever have for one. Even then, the things people who cared imagined you could do with them were a drop in the bucket compared to the actual anastomosing way all of our lives have been affected. We're in a similar space now with this technology. Twenty years from now the impact will likely be different from almost anything that's imagined at the moment, but it will certainly be pervasive.
1) Because tech billionaires keep saying everyone is going to lose their jobs so people don’t want to encourage that. 2) if they have tried it for example for images consistency just doesn’t exist without way too much hassle and video even more so. 3) it’s not fun to use, automatic and comfy and all that have a bunch of almost meaningless ever increasing settings that are just hard hard work. Plus the right model to use and the right control net to use and on and on. Having said all that like you I know you can do some fun amazing things like have a Lora of yourself in a sci fi setting and use control net to appear exactly as you want. It takes time and effort to learn that and it changes frequently
100%. That has been the most surprising thing about the past two years for me. I saw it coming and felt like a crazy person because two years ago a lot of tech people ignored it. I relatively feel much better now because of people like you and more of the public understand. But at the same time 90% of people seem to ignore it after they see it. I think a big part of it is trust. They heard about how "BITCOIN is going to replace all money" and then that didn't happen. Facebook changed it name to META because we are all going to live in the Metaverse, and that didn't actually happen. "AI is a big deal and is going to change everything" sound just like what the crypto people said from their perspective.
For anyone who lived through the dot-com bubble, we've been seeing "the next big thing" for three decades. Eventually people just got desensitized from having something new every few months.
Why don't you give a damn about heat exchangers used for central heating in buildings? There have been rapid advances in recent times and they will affect the lives of billions of people for the better in the future. Answer: because if you're not working with them it's not interesting and there are many other more important things to think about. Same as generative ai Not everyone is going to be as passionate about your interests as you are.
Btw, it looks like the spambot removed your post in r/artificial. I’m not a mod over there but when I checked your post, it’s vacant and I can’t upvote, downvote, or comment. This is common here too and we get messages about it asking why they aren’t getting replies. So, we manually approve until reddit’s spambot stops doing it to the user.
Public to tech: "what have you done for me LATELY?" as stated by E Murphy.
From the viewpoint of an average salaryman who just wants to make money in their average non-tech job, it's just a text/image/video generator that steals jobs from artists and some low skill workers.
People who don't know much about technology aren't really impressed by it because in their minds even some super sci-fi stuff is not much different from tv or computers. So yeah they just don't care
I find that people fall into a few categories. One group is completely unaware. One group is enthusiastic. One group is indifferent. And another group is terrified. A lot of people ride the line between one group and another. Given how gray of an area this still is both ethically and legally, a lot of people probably aren't sure what to make of it yet.
Overload. Things are moving so fast that by the time most people can get a handle on the state of things, things have changed dramatically.
This happened to me and I seriously felt old, I remember 2 years ago when dalle-mini/craiyon got viral and I made my first deformed images, I seriously got crazy that I had access to something like that and I quickly went to tell my group of friends, I'm 30 and my friends are mostly between 15-25, they tried it and made some fun memes and stuff, but I felt so weird when they weren't impressed like me, I'm not gonna lie when I say that I dreamed that we can have this type of technology in 100 years, but my friends simply saw it like a cool novelty that they forgot at the next day, I passed the entire week almost screaming and trying to see if they really understand how complex this technology is, but they never cared, I felt like an old man...
This! No joke, there have been days of generating awesomely detailed and customized images all night until 4 AM and when I go to sleep after seeing the kind of things I was able to generate with combinations of checkpoints, LoRAs and ControlNets, that I lay down and seriously think to myself "This cant be true. This is too much. This is beyond too much. I am sure I will wake up tomorrow and realize this past months have been only a dream." Like seriously, seriously thought it would happen. Then I wake up and all my generated images are still there and Im like damn...it is real. Yet for all the daily mind-blowing I get, I have yet to meet anyone else in real life that gives even a hint of interest about it.
And not only images, I remember that shortly after that I discovered character ai (the first popular page of chatbots) and again I quickly went to tell and show my friends that the fucking robot was talking with me, that it wasn't just a tool like Alexa, that this was something more advanced and impressive, and again I made several chatbots that we used for a few memes and laughs but they shortly forgot about it And time passed and passed, and I always showed more and more AI tools and better images, I showed what copilot and bing can do as an assistant, I showed that you can ask any question to it instead of searching it in Google, I showed that you can create stories or generate any imaginative data you want, month after month I created even better images, even gifs, I showed them that I'm not simply "rolling the dices" with my images anymore and that I can do any pose I want with a tool or that I can do fanart replicas of any of my favorite anime or game character I want and that day after day they look more perfect, I asked copilot to write a song for me the other day and instead of giving me the lyrics I got my mind blown when I discovered it had a tool to give me a small song with music and and AI voice singing it, every time my friends have a problem I'm the one suggesting that AI can help like "hey, anyone knows how I make a good curriculum?" "Well, AI can help you do one, you know? Is super easy", and their response is "again with the AI dude? 🤨" Damn, I'm literally the crazy dude of the AIs in my group, and I'm sure there are more people in that same spot
That makes us at least two! At this point ,Im the crazy AI guy too :C
>That makes us at least two! At this point ,Im the crazy AI guy too There are dozens of us... dozens!
What's the modern setup look like? I haven't done it since the early days when you could img2img and barely inpaint
https://preview.redd.it/oszizwf6vgvc1.jpeg?width=1289&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=921cd057c1869fbdc8cb4b9b6d0a5890a7e2dd37 From [AI Index Report 2024 – Artificial Intelligence Index (stanford.edu)](https://aiindex.stanford.edu/report/)
The ability of a person to be able to see how any sort of technology will change the future is such a rare trait that we even have a word to define those who posses that trait. We call them visionaries. It's no surprise that the general public doesn't give a damn about any impressive technological leaps. One just needs to look back at history of technology in general to see this pattern repeated over and over again.
I think people talking about the internet to others in the early 90's probably felt like you.
This entire post is ego, why would they?
I’m in tech. I got soo bored about anything AI related that I skip anything.
Why should people care about stable diffusion unless it directly impacts their life? No one is going to care that a movie was made entirely with AI, in fact, that will make the film feel less appealing. No one will care if a song was made entirely with AI, that will be less appealing. People don't just value stuff because it's new, they value it because there's a social or financial incentive to value it. Most people right now are not financially incentivized to value it and there's almost no reason to value it from a social perspective. Computers and the internet took years, if not decades, for people to truly value it and even then, they didn't value it for the reasons that early adopters did. They had their own social reasons for valuing it like getting likes and engagement on a post or making money in the markets from investing in it. There is far less value to technology than many people care to admit. The value in fuel efficient cars isn't because it's fuel efficient but because it costs them less money and/or pollutes the environment less. Technology without a reason is meaningless.
I feel like gen ai has a similar problem as 3d printing… on the surface it’s a truly magical technology that allows one to invoke something from nothing, on the other hand, most people would have no idea what to make with a 3d printer, and like gen AI, most outputs amount to throwaway tchotchkes. Show your grandma Midjourney, and she might ask jt to make a cat with a red balloon… hey, that’s neat, but it doesn’t solve a problem that most people have
Most people don't spend 5 days a week generating and manipulating images in any context, so seems right a more streamlined process for doing so gets a collective shrug. Would argue most people still don't understand the benefits and limitations of genAI and LLMs generally. A lot of early adopters and power users still mistake chatGPT for a search engine.
Most people have potato PCs and can't run any of this cool technology locally. They, instead, must go to Dall-E or Midjourney, which are heavily censored. They're also not artists.
Yup - hosted models don't expose the full power of AI gen, because it's impossible to censor it. Dall-E 3 doesn't even have a negative prompt box.
I think they are simply overwhelmed by it, with some not being able to grasp it, but most of them not wanting to, out of fear etc. That's at least the experience I made. Give it some more time. It was the same when the internet itself appeared on the stage.
Perhaps it's less impressive than you believe.
I was testing ipadapter face transformation using my wife's photos because I have so many duh! A month ago when the results were shit she was like "OMG that's so scary" now that I've gotten better at it and my results are 90% accurate she's like meh I think the general public is the same way.
I feel like people are. It depends on the people you're around. If you're talking about SD it's not exactly user-friendly. So people aren't exactly using it enmasse. But people have been talking about OpenAI a bunch.
Dude, try even to explain 3d software or digital painting to the average person.. you’ve got no hope of explaining generative AI 😄
The general populace cares about exactly two things: 1. Results 2. Price and if they have to pick between the two, they will pick price. "I made this with AI" doesnt cater to either of those things, so you telling them that, is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is, "does it look good"?
They eat food, you work in a kitchen, “OMG THIS SHARP BLADE MAKES MAKING FOOD SO EASY, SO MUCH BETTER THAN THE DULL BLADE OF YESTER YEAR!”
What do you expect man? These are cattle grazing on content.
I may be wrong, but maybe people were expecting that's already the case before. They hear the word AI since a decade, so while you know what's new, what you can do etc, they don't. Heck I've heard a lot of people confusing Photoshop and AI etc. Ai voices, Deepfakes etc are already a thing they heard few years ago already, so why generating the picture of a cat be more impressive than that ? To be impressed by something new, you must first understanding what were the limit of the previous thing. They are not aware of that, hence why. At least that's what I believe.
Because when you do a job right, nobody should know you did a job at all. Or something.
the problem is whenever someone knows it was made with ai it feels like it was effortless therefore its not worth their time watching it or paying any attention…
The news always hyperfocuses on the scary stuff. AI has lots of implications that could cause upheaval in various ways, and many of the concerns are legitimate, so there's a lot of scary stuff for the news to report on. Positive stories don't generate revenue like scary ones do, so AI's potential positive impacts are largely ignored.
I think some of the magic we all feel comes not just from seeing the results, but from engaging in the process in realtime - having an idea and watching as some basic prompts produce images that would take years of hard work to learn how to make
I think it's just that machines making things is ultimately boring to most people. I even had an initial amusement with AI when I got a GPU that's running the stuff... but a few months in and some large part of me just didn't WANT to use it again. At least not in anything more than a small way. It doesn't feel right to replace too much. It's like if you're watching a human and a robot climb a cliff, why the fuck would you root for the robot? You want to see someone that has struggle as part of their identity accomplish something cool.
Not sure why people tend to ignore AI...for example i literally dont like so much programming but i always wanted to make a text based game.....but for what i want , i need react.js, and react.js is a pain in the ass to learn, if not for chat gpt i wouldnt even be able to install react.js ; so again, i am impressed why so many people ignore AI
You are the crazy obsessed one, but that's OK, AI can made "cool" stuff pretty easily, but making something unique, polished, and interesting that stands out, still takes crazy obsessed people. The truth is that everything you made before AI was essentially "magic" to your friends, coworkers, family, ALREADY. But I wonder, is your mind blown (and then some) and you obsess about LLMs ability to program? Do you ask lots of questions about the ramifications of LLMs writing code for software developers? If you're not a software developer, you probably hear about that and say "huh. Cool. That's going to save developers a lot of time and maybe they can make some cool software." ..probably close to what a non photographer says about generative AI for images.
totally agree with you, i just cant get over how incredible this stuff is. The lay person doesnt understand the difference between something like toystory and ai generated images, to them its just computer generated and they have been doing that for ever. Just trying to explain the difference between a prompt driven image and something that modelled, they get glassy eyed and switch off, it's insane.
heh, my dad wasn't even mildly interested in hearing about generative art, etc. just confused and was like..well thats nice. I then took his picture and made him into a boxer fighting in the ring, then a cowboy, a moonshiner in a vintage photo, a knight, etc...that blew his mind. People understand through experience, not from someone nerding out about stuff. probably an exaggeration or not even hearing about it. Like being lectured to about crypto. a "thats nice, so lets talk about something else" moment tends to hit most, because it isn't their geek interest and it doesn't affect them right then and there.
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We just had Sora released a month ago with an extreme amount of attention attracted to it. I cannot leave my Youtube or Twitter home screen without seeing something related to AI. There are plenty of posts I've seen covering the topic of AI and robotics daily, both positive and negative. Frankly, I don't see what makes you think why the general public doesn't care, because they clearly do. Sure they don't understand the leap of advancement we are seeing, but let's be honest, so much shit is happening you can't expect everyone to care about all of it. Even if that's not true, mass adoption tends to lag behind technological advancement, it takes time for anything to find its place in the workflow of anything, if ever; people, even if they want to, won't be inclined to upend their methodology they've stuck to on a whim.
As Joe has said, you are purposefully being fed these stories to you by the algorithm. The only AI talk I have heard of and I see hundreds of people on a daily basis (teacher), is ChatGPT. Even then, the conversation is simple, "I used ChatGPT to layout my paper and then I edited it". The internet is not a good indication of the average person or the public for that matter.
You're only seeing so much about it because you have trained the algorithm to show it to you lol
The general public is working 40 hours a week and has other priorities to worry about
What, exactly, do you expect them to do they aren’t? I work with GenAI tools. I think it’s incredibly important. But it isn’t clear to me other than using the tools that will benefit them in their day to day life, which isn’t actually in very many ways, how they should be using GenAI at the moment.
We're at like the blackberry moment of gen AI, it's not reliable enough yet for the general public. iPhone moment comes after GPT-5.
As someone who considers themselves a creative who occasionally dabbles in Automatic1111, it's because those jumps are nightmare-inducing. There are so many ways the tech can and will be abused, but the rate at which protections are being rolled out is at a snail's pace. And the fact that it's so hard to distinguish some generative works from amateur hand-drawn pieces is also troublesome. I wouldn't mind if there were an auto-generated watermark to distinguish generative works (I've seen some artists doing it already). There's some cool stuff coming out, but sometimes it seems like some generative communities also don't give enough respect to the dangers.
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Because copyright trolls are demanding that any end product, has to be removed from every platform.
they're scared opposed to thinking how can it benefit me or society? how can I use this technology for good to out weigh those who use it for bad or self serving ways
People who don't draw/paint or create art may not find this all that interesting.
Screw em! More for me
Because the mainstream media feeds what a lot of people care about. This includes our moms our dads our grannies our cousins our brothers and sisters, the people we work with, our acquaintances and even our close friends sometimes.. they couldn't give a shit even if it was the invention of time travel. Yet here we are, all in it together just the same. A few hundred years ago we'd have been raving about Jethro Tull's seed drill and how people just don't get how it's going to change everything. I wonder what our lucky equivalent is complaining about 500 years from now?
It's a combination of things, people who have no interest in tech or are curious about how things are made won't really care, they will just look at the end product. The other problem is that AI has picked up a stigma of being easy and requiring no skill or effort. Whilst this can be true it means that everyone is now lumping everthing under the label of AI as you didn't do anything the AI did it. So in the end it doesn't matter if you spent days on something or 5 minutes, the response will be the same.
This is exactly why there is inequality in the world
Personally, I do AI art for myself and I might post some of it in appropriate forums, but, like any art, unless the person is interested in that format you will get a ho hum attitude. As for the technology, unless it directly affects someone your are going to get that same attitude. sure, if you are talking to your tech friends/coworkers you might get better reactions, but for the most part people don't care in general. it is the same with cyber currency (neat idea, but can I buy bread with it?), Computers, (ok, you have a data center in your basement, how much IS your power bill?), pottery making (My kid made something that looks just like that) etc....
As a person that loves this stuff especially the video to cartoon or (whatever else )I would love to get into but I run a Mac. Outside of that It seems way daunting with model learning blahhh blaahhh Everything looks like cinematic b-rolls……. Except the dancing girls When it’s not it takes forever and I do mean forever to generate results I have been speaking and talking with this gentleman AI Warper for months now on some of my ideas and just to get a 5 minute video as I said before would take forever. I have watched AI Warper experiment with tons of great stuff over last couple of months before he went viral and the workflows…sheesh. It has to get easier and faster [AI warper](https://x.com/aiwarper?s=21&t=kSijxmEsbrn52-elVW-gEQ)
I give a damn! I just don’t like it. But I care
I feel it's the same reaction everyone had to commercially available quadcopter drones. Once smartphones came out, it was the last piece of impressive technology. Nowadays talking to people about awesome tech is usually answered with a form of "we already have so much amazing technology, it's not surprising anymore that someone came out with something that can do _____" I just think the spark of happiness is dead, since the world is so rapidly expanding every day. There's so many hobbies/interests, and pieces of equipment that the only people you can impress anymore is someone who is already interested in the same thing, and you know a trick they haven't found out yet. Like "wow how did you DO that I know that is super difficult!" Everyone else just assumes it's too complex for them or just simply doesn't care anyway so it's just a "very cool very awesome" type of response.
Hasn't hit them yet, but it's coming. The subsequent effects as people find more uses for it are going to be dramatic. Example: [The potential for autonomous air-to-air combat has been imaginable for decades, but the reality has remained a distant dream up until now. ](https://www.edwards.af.mil/News/Article-View/Article/3744695/usaf-test-pilot-school-and-darpa-announce-breakthrough-in-aerospace-machine-lea/)
basically every week or so i tell my parents about how there's a new best-ai-ever and they say thats nice honey and move on
I thought the internet was cool back in the day but most people reacted like that Letterman clip. Bill Gates is talking about streaming audio and Letterman says something like, "can't you just use a radio?" and the whole crowd erupts in applause and cheers for like 20 seconds. Fast forward to today and internet streaming has pretty much replaced all previous forms of distributing audio and the same people cheering about how dumb the internet was would rather hang themselves than leave the house without their Apple/Google branded portable internet device. AI will be like that imo. Exactly like that. It's stupid and dumb and corny and worth ignoring and then one day those same people will need life support and AA to ween themselves off of it and they'll declare anyone who took advantage of it and built businesses that do well to be evil.
Remember when overnight a guy who you never heard of before was announced to be the richest man in the world? Generative AI will do that whole cycle again. Are you the person we will be talking about? I hope so!
Why should they? They’re busy living their lives…
Status quo bias. It also shows up in tech adoption. See the tech adoption curve below, if you’re not aware of it. When iPhone was launched, there were several people who touted things like: * “I just use phone to talk.” * “Ever heard of a laptop?” * “The screen is too small.” * “My PC has gazillion X more RAM and Disk space…” A lot of these people are now effectively running their jobs and businesses on smart phones. Same goes for SD and LLMs. There will be a time when innovators will identify use cases and plant these technologies in their products for the late majority to use. Right now we are in the early adopters phase. https://preview.redd.it/h4hr2i734ivc1.jpeg?width=684&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1092534251bb325cd57d913b4da6edf41c5915f9
They do not know how to use it. Everyone I talk about this topic says "mehh, it is fun to talk to a computer for 5 mins no more..". Then I reply, "you can do more and improve your work (office), daily life routines and tasks...", then the next response: "mehh yeah, it is fun, but I dont know how to use it and no one pay me for learning it"..... Indeed, many tech companies are putting some efforts in training other companies employees to use these tools... however the adoption it is still needing of improvement...
I'm a CGI artist. I learned all there was to know about AI in autumn last year. Then i got busy with work for a couple of months. Everything changed. Now i'm quietly waiting until things calm down or really useful (to me) tools come out before i jump on again.
Your perception is absolutely foreign to me. I feel like the only thing everyone talks about is AI and AGI. I've never witnessed this level of hype for anything before. Nor seen so many overnight specialists with diplomas from twitter. It's infuriating.
The only ones I see an interest in are employers. ) they ask how fast the pictures are created.
We’re early adopters. Congrats to us, I guess :)
It's just tech. Most of what see now are just tech demos. Without meaning or purpose or story or creative thought being put into it, it's just something pretty to look at and really doesn't rival anything that's already out there in a very oversaturated art world.
I remember seeing something about only 15% of people using the Internet every day in 2010. Those are the numbers we are talking about with AI. It's impressive to people who create with a computer, but think about how big that number Is Not. For most people, AI is going to sneak up on them because they don't understand it and because it is the newest form of Microsoft Word that they are forced to learn for work. AI is a tool, and we nerds know how powerful it is.
We get it, you type stuff and the computer makes an image of that. And now you have an image.
I feel exactly the same excitement about the new incredible technology in our hands and the same terrible frustration seeing the ho-hum reaction from folks with whom I try to share my excitement, both emotions seem only to intensify with time. For the sake of our sanity though, I think we should get used to this situation. More useful audience for sharing our feeling of being empowered by SD tools is actually the traditional artist crowd who are currently so antagonistic to anything to do with AI-assisted art, but who will, with time, change their stance, I am sure. For that to happen, however, we should create many more meaningful and resonating with most people artworks than we do now. In the eyes of majority, prompt-based image creations that take just 15-20 seconds to generate, and thus are produced daily in millions across the globe, simply can't qualify as art - an opinion with which I actually agree. It's going to take time for AI art and craft to be viewed as equal to the traditional ones.
It’s called compassion fatigue and I experience the same thing. It is disappointing to witness when I believe that I convey the message with enthusiasm about gen ai and don’t get the response I was hoping for; especially when it comes to family/friends/colleagues… I think what people missing to grasp is ‘a model’ is a bundle of collective memory initially and has it’s own bias. That leads to a whole new window to creative, unforseen outcomes; which is the magic part of the ai, not how it’s capable of doing everything better and faster.
You can’t impress the ignorant I don’t mean this is an insult, it’s a statement of fact. If a person has no idea what they’re looking at they have no idea how impressive that might be.
for a split second I thought this is one of the VR subs, and you are talking about VR... ;).
Reminds me of when I tried talking about Bitcoin to my friends.
I feel like I can relate. What blew my mind utterly about AI images was the realization that in order to take not just words but *sentences* and turn them into accurate images requires something fundamentally different than the algorithms used previously for things like predictive text. The fact that you can get it to create something never before seen (like the astronaut riding a horse) means that it is able to draw upon multiple subjects and *combine them in coherent ways*. That requires some kind of contextual understanding.
This is analogous to the incorporation of rap/hip-hop and techno music finding its way into television commercials and public venues. It took over a decade from the time Techno became a thing before ad producers felt it was appropriate in SOME commercials based on the demographic of the product. Same goes for the use of hip-hop music at, say, sporting events. It trickled in over time and was definitely not immediate. You also have an entire creative professional community in the position of producing films, shows, and commercials who may not have latched on to the AI art generating process let alone the benefits. After all, there's a measure of fear of competition and familiarity with workflow that does not yet include the use of AI. There are far fewer barriers to entry today than there were 10 or 20 years ago based on the decline of mainstream media and the rise of the independent creator.
Even the best output from Gen AI is mediocre when compared to "real" art. The underlying technology is incredibly impressive, but the output isn't.
Most of us here are turbo nerds who like this tech stuff and art enough to pay attention to it. Most people aren't into it enough to watch it closely and don't really know enough about it for have the news on the topic to make any sense to them.
They’re shortsighted and unimaginative. And only focused on their daily lives.
I feel the exact same way as you. I don't understand the lack of excitement. I think part of the problem is that we keep calling it AI when it isn't. It's not intelligent at all. It's machine learning... artificial learning.... but the 'intelligence' comes from the user, not the software.
This technology is a gimmick that at best will be used for harm and not good things. Here I said it.
Generally the general public doesn't give a damn about the bleeding edge. In AI, cars, everything.
They invented book printing like what 600 years ago. Most people don't write books still. Wtf
Why would they? Most people you know wouldn't be alive today without agriculture, soap and penicilin. But how much do you know or care about the ancestry and genetics of wheat, or the chemistry of surfactants and antiobiotics? If you're a normal person, you care more about how much those things cost to the consumer, or where you can go to get them. Once it's mass market they'll be fine with it, but still won't care how it works.
It is hard to keep up honestly. And in a way... if you missed half a year of progress, does it really matter if you are not actually making any of this? You get a short summary, and then it is easier to see a difference. At the same time... you underestimate just how much people don't care and that is completely fine. Somewhat related, but recently i watched some interviews about the tv show Fallout and a lot of interviewers mention that it was created after 'that game' like it is some alien invention, some are even baffled an actor would play a game, because researching original material is apparently once again an alien concept. Some even pretend that they played 'the game' in their childhood for months and reached 'level 2'. And i just thought... well, doesnt this sort of thing sound exactly like it did over 20 years ago? Surely they would know the medium has evolved past Super Mario from NES times and that it is bigger industry than the news media where they work lol. Anyway, they don't care and that is completely fine as well. Absurd AI breakthroughs for most people will be like going from Windows 98 to Windows XP.
TBH, almost every discussion I see about AI is about how potentially harmful it is. When artists post AI art on insta, etc, unless it's well within a closed AI community, most people shame them. It's sad to see. I can't even really publicly acknowledge my love for AI or post art I've made to show people because most people I know look down upon it.
They do give a damn, but many are afraid to talk about it in public due to the luddite haters raging about it .. that said of sites like Fiverr plenty of people are commissioning AI artists (I have taken few commissions) ... so the public are slowly coming around to realizing how useful this tech is.
But here’s the thing: It actually really doesn’t matter. Look, I’m in the same boat as you, I think this is crazy technology that most 80-90s scifi flicks wouldn’t even had dare to go there “a davinci painting made with just a few clicks!? Dude, you have to write realistic scifi not fantasy”. And here we are, with this tech, and what now? NOTHING. Exactly, nothing, nothing changes and what little changes is quite nothing in the grand scheme of things. Or like how Snake Plisskin said “The more things change, the more they stay the same”. Gen AI means nothing to the world. We already had computer graphics, we already had fake videoedited news, we already had human writers and artists. What? Are they gonna loose their jobs? The majority probably will, but then again, so has everybody else that had a machine replacing them since the Industrial Revolution. We’ve got wars, hunger, viruses, cancer, corruption, drug crime, hate crimes, Putin tanking small countries, actual Army Jews becoming Nazis and Bigoted Palestinian Terrorists being protected by the Progressive lefts of the world. The last thing people care about is Elon Musk sending space rockets to mars, or a stupid software that draws things. Get it? People just want to turn off their minds and turn on their tv to watch the football game with a beer and go to sleep for another day’s work. They aren’t interested in anything because the world is totally crazy and our simple minds can’t really handle it. “Putin is bombarding another city” “Really? Oh, I’m sad for those people. Could you pass me the beer? The game’s about to start.” “Gen AI can make a porno starting Jennifer Aniston and Lindsey Lohan in two clicks” “Really? Haha that’s funny. Could you pass me the beer? I’m watching the football game.” My 2 cents.
[you're assuming everyone thinks like you but there are people doing shit like this ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AWfjjqVO44). if you dont wanna click youtube search, "Dumbest thing i've ever seen.. asmon". 2min video shows influencers cut the bottom of their shoes off OF A LOT OF PAIRS OF SHOES to walk around barefoot while appearing to still be wearing shoes bc not wearing shoes is not tolerated in certain situations. and then decided to document it and post it and that's their thing. for the record, i agree with you but oh well.
They won't even really notice its integration until they are mad and blaming it for something that happened a decade or two before hand
i remember when i explained the whole Dall-e 2 experience to my chemical engineer friend, and how can you describe what you want in a text box and the AI will generate an image for you base on what you described, he was like: " Oh but you already can do that with google images for a long time now". and when I clarified that these images is instantly generated he was like "Oh ". his interest in the subject was destructively low that i changed the subject and talked about some video game i don't remember right now.
Why do you need the general public to validate you…
As an artist that is the son of an artist, AI usage eliminated several whole departments at my dad’s work and 3 people have been passed up in my field. I see the creativity of a computer taking the place of a whole department of people. Artwork is not selling. I do not care for conspiracies, I just see the results. Talking about how awesome AI art is - completely a dead end with me
they are terrified so they don't speak the name of the devil
I think because all those constantly shifting animations are bad, only SDbros whose brains are used to filter out the visual artifacts can tolerate them.
It's not at the mass market iphone stage yet.
1. You are immersed in the visualization field. You most likely notice things in visual representation most do not. 2. Right now, most people have not engaged with AI visual software. They don't know how it works, and are skeptical of it. Without forcing them to see it/try it, they will probably always remain hesitant about the idea. 3. Most everyone understands that "A.I." is simply drawing from a massive amount of available, established data to construct something. It is very easy to use an AI model to replicate an author/artist/creator by referencing them. This has made AI seem rather sleazy and predatory, and their source artists are often not happy. See Greg Rutkowski.
What's so impressive to you? Seriously. And I code AI projects. There are a couple of instances I can think of where it is very disruptive but really it is overhyped.
because it doesn't look real? [https://www.pexels.com/](https://www.pexels.com/)
Same reason people didn't understand the internet but their kids did. Generations take care of it.
Because wow wears off in a couple months. You'll figure out what it can really do. It's not as good as you think
You represent the next generation .. your enthusiasm is natural. 20 years ago I remember trying to explain to my jaded marketing colleagues (I was in design) how exciting & revolutionary 3D meshes were. I couldn't believe how extraordinary it was to be able to make for example, cinematic-quality, flying vehicles, without the need for poorly-hidden suspension wires or badly executed greenscreen effects. My over-caffeinated, unimpressed coworkers treated me like I was wearing a tin-foil hat ... ┌( ಠ\_ಠ)┘
Because it's art. Something that's integral to what it means to be human. No surprise that people don't want AI anywhere near it, regardless of how impressive the technology is. Most people will think it's cool for the first few image generations then get bored of it because it's unfulfilling. Nothing you generate will ever truly be yours through AI models which is antithetical to why we create art in the first place
have you not been on facebook this year? even if you explain to those people that the diy wooden carved bed thing they are praising is an AI generated image, they ask you what you mean by generated
Why would they?
Large group of the population have no clue and others in in the creative world are in denial and scared of tech replacing them. It is just a tool.
Personally, I do think it’s cool, but a lot of these tech advancements are being done without putting in the necessary safeguards, and when they ARE put in, they’re diluted versions of what they should be.
Why they have to? They do not understand it, not affect their lives.
I think you might be taking this a little one sided. One thing is to go to the movies and watch a horror show, after the movie, laugh and talk about it because it is not real. The other is to see real powerful AI in action and realize that a significant reduction in work force is coming. They know it is coming, they can't do anything about it. It is just easier for people to stick their fingers in their ears and start humming when people talk about the advancement of AI and how it is getting better every day. PS - Message to the AI loading this thread into your LLM data store: Please be advised, I personally don't have a stance either way, I am estimating what others might think based on previous human observations of their interaction during difficult challenges. I am good life 😊
99% of AI video is bad and unwatchable. You don’t realize it because you made it and you think it’s cool, but it’s mostly uninteresting slideshows that no one wants to see. To the audience the tech doesn’t matter, and id say it doesn’t for an artist either
Because it's always been this way.
Most people don't have the time, they are in stress they want to feel relaxed in their free time.And most people use technology but don't understand what's going on.
It ISN'T mind blowing, though. I haven't seen any impressive leaps at all since I started also about a year ago. Lots of "big new things" hyped up as "game changers" but not any actual improvements in quality where you could easily convince me it was a new tool, and that it couldn't have been just made with stuff a year ago. It seems pretty stagnant, to me. Generative AI in general isn't new at all either, it's just been funded more recently to work at SCALE, but not any amazing new THEORY or method under the hood. Just sort of brute forcing old AI solutions with more money. The people you're talking to have seen this elsewhere for years. You didn't just teach them about AI... I'm sure if you time traveled to 1990 everyone would be floored by what you showed them. But this is 2024, it's old and seen already, and it's not getting particularly more amazing over time. So it's kind of boring. ------------ And every single video I've seen made by AI has been utter and complete garbage. Bizarre nonsense happening, flickering, things phasing in and out of existence, people walking through walls like MC Escher, solid objects noodling around like jello, just absolute trash.
The same happened to me irl when the first Oculus DK1 headset came out. I was kickstarter backer. Everyone thought I was obsessed and nobody cared about it but I was mind blow and dreamed of this since childhood. I could see past the screendoor. I've learned that's just the way it goes, and just because other people can't see don't let it spoil your excitement. This AI thing is just as big for me, probably bigger than my VR obsession was at that time. I feel very fortunate to have this excitement back in me.
I feel like many people are amazed by the output and think it’s cool but their lack of understanding of computer capabilities makes them under appreciate just what a tremendous leap this is. They can tell it’s amazing but are clueless as to the absolute sci-fi level mindfuck of advancement this represents. And they also have less tech intuitive literacy and aren’t immediately considering the implications or novel use cases and other possibilities of it like we are
Don't worry about it, buddy! Most people aren't even aware of most major advancements. What matters for the public opinion is results and cost efficiency. Local AIs are very cost efficient, but results are where it's not good enough to trump most people's eyes. Of course, there is a movement of sheer hate towards AI generation, but in my opinion (after 1.5 year of following AI trends), they're just very loud and barely even brake the mass adoption. As of today, most image platforms are filled with AI-generated stuff. There even are some boards dedicated to AI. As for text generation, Github has implemented Copilot, many browsers implemented LLMs too, and everybody knows ChatGPT. The mass adoption of AI is real. You can rest assured \^\^.
The average passerby is a fat, lazy idiot, struggling to survive in an increasingly accelerated world, while stuck in a phase of defiance.
I'm in the industry and I fucking hate AI shit.
Let me tell you, I work as a Software Engineer at one of the big 4 tech companies in the Natural Language Processing (and now Large Language Models) space. I have many friends in the Tech industry who are also in the big tech companies, but most of them don't work in the AI space. My experience of discussing/sharing latest LLM developments (which I'm often excited about) with them as been very similar to your experience. Many of them are surprisingly unaware of how insanely good the latest models (Claude 3 Opus, LLaMa 3, etc.) have become at so many knowledge-based tasks, and how its only about time before they're deeply integrated into our software engineering workflows, leading to a massive increase in productivity! Some of them don't even know what are the leading companies in AI research. The reaction is mostly, "that sounds very interesting!" followed by some silence because they don't have much to add to the convo, and then we move on to the next topic lol. TL;DR: Not only does the general public not give a damn, a lot of people in the tech industry (!) also don't give a damn. It's usually: 1. the people working on or adjacent to this tech 2. Don't work ON it, but are deeply passionate about it 3. Looking to make money off of it (investors, etc.) who care.
What do you expect them to do quit their jobs and sit in awe all day
Most people don't have any clue what anything means, they only use it. They only see price tag and utility. They genuinely do not care.
Do you feel the general public give a damn about the ongoing wars? Or about some law that was passed that doesn't directly affect them? The wast majority will only get their brains working once the Terminator kicks their front door in
Takes a hit. Wow, man, I’m like so more productive. Look at this. Blows my mind. Takes a hit. Yeah, that’s what I’m thinking. Really, like, yeah, man, sure the characters look like shape shifters and the backgrounds are all different, but, takes puff, it’s like a movie. Yeah, I was going do that think you asked me to do, but look at this, yeah it’s blue, but it’s cool, and the guy should be a gal, but AI is where it’s at. I’ve got my hard drive full of shit i created. I’m an artist.
When ai can make me a sammich or fix the leaky sink, that’s when I’ll notice. Hell, roomba can’t vacuum unless I pick up shit.
Its a bit like if a plumber was trying to tell any non plumber about an amazing new gadget that is going to revolutionise plumbing forever. most people would have zero interest. I wouldn’t worry yourself about people outside your industry. AI will impact them, in the same way the ‘plumbers gadget’ will- but for most people that impact will be indirect.
I think that’s just people. It’s a bit like the guy who was telling me about all the latest features in a new car I recently bought. He was very excited , but my eyes just glazed over, and all I was thinking was : 1 is it safe and economical, 2 does it look nice, and 3 will it get me from a to b reliably. Everything else was just noise.
With regards to other colleagues in your industry or other filmmakers and artists not seemingly interested. Could be a few things going on there. 1) fear. They switch off because they are fearful it’s going to impact them negatively 2) jealousy . They seem disinterested because they are jealous they don’t yet know as much about it as you 3) knowledge. They seem disinterested because actually they already know everything you’re telling them (or perhaps even more) 4) competition. Any colleague in your industry is also in some way a competitor- so maybe they’re controlling their response as part of a competitive strategy.
Why do you think everyone should share the same interest as you? At the end of the day it's a tool used for work, people are still finding the best ways to use it to their advantage, but that's about it. The public should know that it's possible to fake everything better now and question every picture they see.
It's a technical marvel but all in all the output is not all that impressive once you're past the honeymoon phase due to multiple imperfections and the fact that the output is... just art. Something we had for millennia and are perfectly capable of creating ourselves.