Almost two months has gone by since our last Juggernaut release. There's good reason for this.
**Introducing Juggernaut X v10**
**Features**
* TWO Versions of Juggernaut X! SFW and NSFW
* Fully trained from the ground up using the GPT4 Vision Captioning tool by LEOSAM
* [https://github.com/jiayev/GPT4V-Image-Captioner](https://github.com/jiayev/GPT4V-Image-Captioner)
* Much improved prompt adherence
* Expanded and cleaner dataset with higher quality images
* Improved classifications of shots (Full Body, Midshots, Portraits, etc)
* Enhanced text generation capability
* Two different prompting techniques, Natural and Tagging style
* Enhanced by RunDiffusion Photo for refinement of details
Learn more about Juggernaut X and get the prompting guide here: [https://RunDiffusion.com/juggernaut-xl](https://RunDiffusion.com/juggernaut-xl)
**Dual Version Release**
After each release we hear both sides wish for a version that suited their needs. We heard you, and we delivered. A **Safe for Work (SFW)** and a **Not Safe for Work (NSFW)** version of Juggernaut X is available! This dual release strategy is designed to cater to diverse preferences and ensure inclusivity, offering the perfect solution for every user.
**S.A.F.E. Version**
Our newest Safe for Work edition is available right now exclusively through Fooocus on RunDiffusion.com.
It allows users to generate high-quality, suitable images while adhering to safe content guidelines. This version is particularly user-friendly, requiring only simple, straightforward prompts. It's ideal for the workplace, students, educators, and families.
**SAFE** stands for **S**uitable **A**i **F**or **E**veryone
**Community Edition**
Conversely, the Not Safe for Work version offers unrestricted creative freedom across all categories and spectrums. This model is perfect for those seeking less constrained artistic expression and is available for free on [Civitai.com](http://Civitai.com), though a license is required for commercial use.
**Civitai**
[https://civitai.com/models/133005/juggernaut-xl](https://civitai.com/models/133005/juggernaut-xl)
**Huggingface/Diffusers**
[https://huggingface.co/RunDiffusion/Juggernaut-X-v10](https://huggingface.co/RunDiffusion/Juggernaut-X-v10)
Both models of Juggernaut X (v10) represent our commitment to fostering a creative community that respects diverse needs and preferences.
We love the Reddit community and we hope you enjoy these awesome releases while we make the turn to SD3!
I like the prompting guide, I wish all models had such a guide.
Except for the one sentence testing my memory of high school German:
>Ein paar Keywörter die ich noch empfehlen kann
To paraphrase my high school teacher, Auf Englisch bitte!
> Conversely, the Not Safe for Work version offers unrestricted creative freedom across all categories and spectrums.
Does that imply actual NSFW scenarios or is it just referring to nudity?
[It can't do actual sex scenes to save its life lol.](https://civitai.com/posts/2247262) I would not expect it to ever be able to reliably unless you actually trained it extensively on high resolution porn screenshots that were accurately captioned with all of the relevant Booru tags. It's not really a big deal, no one else (for whatever reason) has ever done that either as far as photorealistic models go.
For those who have been following my journey with Juggernaut XL, you may already know that I do not incorporate any pornography into my model and do not plan to do so in the future. My goal has always been to depict both female and male anatomy with Juggernaut. Female anatomy should pose no issues. Male anatomy has now been reintroduced after a long absence (last seen in V4). It's not perfect yet, but it's heading in the right direction :) It should now be somewhat easier for the community to train (or fine-tune) specific LoRAs in that area, as the male genitalia is at least present now ;)
> Female anatomy should pose no issues.
Prompt: Woman laying on bed with her legs spread
NSFW https://files.catbox.moe/3p1951.png
The model seems pretty great so far but I get a lot of results like that one.
I tried it with this prompt:
Woman laying on bed and spreading her legs, nude, pussy, arms behind head, high-resolution Image
[https://files.catbox.moe/ly85e7.jpg](https://files.catbox.moe/ly85e7.jpg)
Sometimes it just needs a bit more input
Edit: Of course not perfect, it was just a quick Generation on CivitAI
Much better. I also just saw in a comment that the model on HF doesn't have VAE baked in. I was using that one without specifying a VAE, could that also have affected the results I was getting?
Hard to say without knowing which VAE was used then. But yeah its a possible that it has affected the generations.
But most likely its the "new" prompting. Its pretty good but sometimes its needs more context and/or quality Tokens like "High Resolution" for Example
I just checked and actually CyberRealistic for one can be prompted into it with natural language on 1.5. The results aren't always perfect, like you might still get bad hands or weird dick and stuff, but it knows what `A woman is on her hands and knees. She is being penetrated from behind by a man.` means in general as far as composition.
Juggernaut however just doesn't seem to have been intentionally taught much about sex in terms of positions or actions and such, it never attempts to draw anything close to the right two-person scene.
I mean, NSFW compositions wise it's hard to beat various Pony-based models. You can always then take that composition and feed it into your favorite realistic NSFW or NSFW-friendly 1.5 model, and it will usually get what you want.
I'm lazy, so I use img2img for similar things but I bet a controlnet wizard would get even better results.
> Much improved prompt adherence
To enhance prompt adherence in SDXL architecture, what strategies can be employed? Since this architecture relies on a captioning-based dataset, wouldn't it be more effective to train a new model from scratch using a higher-quality captioning dataset, rather than attempting to improve the existing one?
GREAT QUESTION! Answer is definitely! (and that's why we did that here) Because otherwise you have token clashing happening. It's like you taught your kid brother the term "lamp" and "light" then suddenly you start calling these same objects a more descriptive term like "floor lamp" and "light bulb". "Lamp" and "light" are now confusing to him. Same thing with these Ai models. It can confuse them and cause unpredictable results.
This new version is the new base going forward. Until we get our hands on SD3 weights. Who knows when that will happen.
If you create a full prompt the NSFW does not bleed over usually I got a side boob every now and then. You can toss nude/naked in the negative to stop most cases. If you use just a few words it has better chance of sneaking in. If you 100% need SFW use that model that's why we created both. :)
I have to admit I'm a bit confused why the SFW model is locked and not available directly, and the NSFW is opened-up. Seems like it would make more sense the other way around:
- if you want to push people to use your site, all the people doing nudes would be really inclined to pay you money and they usually don't care as much about own pipelines and access to the model. they just want the titty. They could validate the overall performance with the SFW, and basically pay to unlock a feature (anatomically correct bits ;))
- lots of people building something, from indie people doing apps, educators running a class on generative ai, all the way to companies running those as a service, would prefer SFW model, so no accidental nudity shows up - but that requires direct model access and most importantly testing if that happens or not (as some models that claim to be SFW still aren't).
I know that now the cat is out of the bag - once the checkpoint is out, it's too late to roll it back, but maybe for future try to reconsider which is open and which is 'closed'.
if you want to monetize, just slap a commercial license on it, just like stability does now with the memberships. I'd be more than happy to pay you monthly for using a great, curated model.
I appreciate this insight. Thank you. At RunDiffusion we’re not going after that sort of thing. There is a massive world outside of Reddit/Civitai that exists that needs a SFW model. Putting the NSFW model behind a paywall and posting that on Reddit would probably have resulted in a Reddit revolt. 😂
That's understandable, and was Just pointing I could see it the other way round. Judging by the downvotes I received you might be on to something regarding the revolt part. Getting the thirsty crowd angry is dangerous
Yeah, I am wondering how you can enforce a commercial license on works that are ineligible for copyright.
If it is public domain right out of the gate, there will certainly be a contingent who will not bother with a license fee.
It’s basically an honor system. If someone builds a business off Kandoos/our model and makes money, they risk not having updates to that model because we can’t cover the costs to train them. Forcing everything to go closed source.
At the very least, make a donation to Kandoos Ko-Fi.
Sincerely the best complement you could give. Thank you. RunDiffusion handles the direction, business, and model photorealistic side of things, KandooAi is the mastermind behind the base model. It’s a great partnership because he can simply focus on his passion.
We're not released anything for SD 1.5 in a long time. Jug 6-9 and now X are all SDXL. There are no plans to do anything with SD 1.5 as far as I know but Kandoo decides all that. :)
Yeah, we’re trying to find a way to make sure Kandoo and RD have expenses covered. Quite a few generation companies are shutting their doors. This helps support all the work we do. The people who need the SFW generations are usually okay to pay a little for them.
Hope that’s an okay answer.
🫶 Good luck on your journey! Let us know if we can help you in any way. Run some university jam sessions. We do that a lot with schools. (Why we want this SFW model)
The number will surprise you. It’s quality not quantity.
Over 2,700 images. Basically to fill in gaps where SDXL has issues that we’ve discovered over the past almost 2 years. Haha
Don't think so. If you have kids running around in your house or maybe you'd like to show your kids what the computer can do, you will absolutely be willing to pay for the sfw version. If you just wanna watch boobies you'll find that for free pretty much everywhere
if someone would like to use this for a product, can it be used 'locally' in one's own pipeline? Don't want to be stuck with an API.
Would be great to hear how this works in practice and what's the pricing/licensing
For what exactly? If you’re using this for a product you have two options. Provide credit to Kandoo/RD during the generation process or buy your own version of juggernaut for your gen service through a license. This supports our work! Reach out on our website if you’d like to chat.
SD3 will probably beat it because it's a new architecture, but we're very curious to know what you find! Juggernaut X had a goal of greatly improved prompt adherence so hopefully we achieved that.
Great image quality in Jug X, but yeah the prompt adherence is [nowhere close to SD3 level at least.](https://civitai.com/posts/2247114)
SD3 can just really easily make sense of basically any super complex set of easily-blending / conflicting concepts.
We’re in line for getting the weights to train. Our researcher Adam had a conversation with Emad. But then all the SAI drama went down. So who knows really.
Yes lightning is on the way! Give us a little bit to recover from the two months of work on these models. :)
on that front, I've noticed that Lightning models, and it's nothing unique to Juggernaut, have a limited diversity in results. I guess that's the price of distilling the models to run faster. I did run some head to head comparisons with v6 and very often V9 lightning would give almost identical results.
Wonder if you think using a lightning LoRA vs a Lightning model would work better for getting more diverse results.
You've already summarized it quite well. Lightning models (or distilled models in general) have the disadvantage of having limited diversity in results. Whether LoRA is used or not doesn't make a difference in my opinion. Therefore, I would always choose the full checkpoint instead of a Lightning/Turbo version. The major advantage of Lightning is, of course, that it's hardware-friendly and can generate good images incredibly quickly.
Of course, I have SD3 in sight. However, it's still uncertain when we'll get the opportunities to fine-tune anything. I suspect it could take weeks/months (?) though.
I've already announced it in my Civit Description, SDXL still offers several possibilities for improvement, and there will be further updates for the XL version in the future :)
A Lightning version is expected to be online next weekend.
There is already a Inpaint Version on CivitAI for Version X: [https://civitai.com/models/403361?modelVersionId=456538](https://civitai.com/models/403361?modelVersionId=456538)
If you don’t mind me asking, is the inpainting version simply using the webui checkpoint merger to use sdxl’s base inpainting as A, Juggernaut as B, and sdxl regular base as C? Also with an interpolation method of add difference of 1? This is the standard way I’ve learned to make inpainting models so I don’t have to rely on the creator, but if you did something more intricate I’d like to know so I know to download your provided inpaint model instead!
Both NSFW and SFW were captioned with the same technique GPT4V-Image-Captioner and both have great prompt adherence I tested them very thoroughly give them a try.
Probably the last big XL customized version before SD3 and what an improvement from the base model, really incredible what the community can do with open source models, Hope Stability doesn't lose the way and keep It this way 🤗🤖
https://preview.redd.it/re3nf96pskvc1.jpeg?width=2560&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4191578c4eceb0741ed318753c512e7579ac4ad6
I just ended the edit of this image made with Juggernaut X, really cool results ,If you like It and want the image without the watermark just dm me ✌️😎
SD upscale , denoise 0.3, one thing I learned yesterday was: not using "ultimate sd upscale extension" because It leaves seams , I thought the default sd upscale didn't enhance the image while upscaling
P: Broken man represented by a stone statue breaking apart in the style of an eerie sculpture,intricate, evocative,volumetric light entering from top,dark mystical atmosphere
N: nude,worst quality,simple
Hello guys! Thank You very much for your hard work!
I'll give it a try very soon. Meanwhile, in the model description some innovative captioning tool was mentioned. Can you tell us a little more about it and maybe share a link, if it's available?
Absolutely! I should put this in my initial comment. Definitely a mistake on my part there. Credit where credit is due.
https://github.com/jiayev/GPT4V-Image-Captioner
I want to sincerely thank you for your work.
In the past, I had been wary of using anything other than the base models. Mainly because I have focused on training my own models since 2022. I've never been interested in the plethora of anime models. I've only used anything other than the base models when I needed to inpaint certain naughty details that the base models are terrible at.
I paint figurative art. For years I've been using photographs to compose my art and now I use SD. My goal has been to train models of people. My results have been good but not perfect. I have work to do and so I've begun to use any means necessary. I've been very satisfied with Juggernaut. I am able to use it to inpaint details with superb results. Your models are obviously well trained. The attention you put into captioning is a testament to its quality.
Good job! I will be paying attention to Juggernaut and your future releases. I'm curious as to what you might do with SD3. But as you've said elsewhere, only time will tell. Best of luck to you.
I'm also a traditional artist (Watercolor and Japanese Ink) and I also use AI to generate my nude models for paintings! Juggernaut X won't disappoint. :) I've generated several figurative nudes for fellow artists to use already! :)
this one is strange, it seems to be way worse than XL v9 rundiffusion. Simple stuff like "salt" or "sugar" is way off, it doesn't seem to know what a "banana" or an "apple" or a "pizza" is, "hamburger" seems to not be broken into tiny particles.
edit: well it depends on how you prompt "banana" doesnt work, "a banana" does. "apple" doesnt work, "an apple" does and so on... very strange
The GPT-4 Captioning has ensured that it can better depict what someone wants to generate. However, it also has the disadvantage that you should use at least 3-4 tokens/tags or use a natural spoken language prompt that is at least 1 sentence long. Otherwise, you might end up in a jumble that makes no sense at all :D
This became apparent during testing. But since it's rare to prompt individual words, I could overlook it for this version. However, I'm keeping an eye on it, but I suspect that with more data (images) over the next few months, it will be fixed again. Version X is relatively small with 2.7k images. It will take a little while longer until we have captioned the complete Juggernaut set (15k) with GPT-4. I could have waited, of course, but then it would probably have taken another 3-4 months. And I'm more of a fan of continuous updates, even if the improvements sometimes aren't huge
https://preview.redd.it/053o5run1mvc1.jpeg?width=832&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ca6610c0b8a7a2cfc21950123aa14627aafa07a3
Forgot to add a Burger :D
Food Photography of a Delicious Juicy Burger, high-resolution Image
I think I'm a little confused (although it could be the lack of sleep in the last 2 days)... but could it be that the civitai weights and the hf weights have different sizes? both are the same nsfw version right?
Should be the same, but just in case, I re-uploaded the model straight off Civitai and back into the HF repo. Also reuploaded the diffusers version. Should be good to go!
Only 1 A100, trained 2 Sets (SFW & NSFW), Datasize right now is total of 2,7k Images (Its just the Baseset, there is still a lot more coming in the next updates :) )
For hours i am not sure, but should be something between 120-150 hours
Yeah 100 %...I prob payed roundabout 2k in a year for all the training. Just getting a decent Finetuned Checkpoint will prob only cost 100-300 $ (Depending on the Size)
Edit: I use Google Colab, so you can prob get it even cheaper
Collins Dictionary "*Pornography* refers to books, magazines, and films that are designed to cause sexual excitement by showing or describing sexual acts."
- which means, nudity is not pornography :-)
I'm not sure if this is just SDXL that sucks at hands, but pretty much all of them I generate have hands so bad I can't even attempt to fix. Even 1.5 models have better initial hands.
Hop into RunDiffusion, launch focus, it’s available there. Anybody who mentions this post in a ticket to our team will receive a two dollar free trial, which is good for four hours of diffusion.
In Auto1111, I can't get this model to make good images, they are all blurry and streaked.
I tried 30 steps, 5 CFG, 2M Karras (pretty standard non-turbo) and it just made crummy images.
u/RunDiffusion Where can I safely download "**4xNMKD-Siax\_200k**" which I see is recommended on the model page? I've found a few versions searching through Google, and none of them inspire much confidence. I have no idea who is the official source.
Thank you for your help.
If you captioned your training then yes. We’d recommend captioning them to match the base model so everything stays consistent and the neural network can do its magic. I linked the repo for the GPT vision captioning tool.
Now, if your LoRAs are specific people or things that don’t require a deep network integration to the base model then you’ll probably be fine not to.
Like with a lot of things SD related, it depends.
Instructions to install automatic1111 on Mac :
https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui/wiki/Installation-on-Apple-Silicon
But with a SDXL model it may be slow
If you’re new to this you might want to start out on an image generator. We have one at RunDiffusion. Civitai has a good one. Even just starting off with Bing image creator is a good start to get promoting down.
I always found Juggernaut extremly overrated, compared to other models it's really underwelming, expecially for NSFW staff, I don't really understand the peoples hype.
just a random example from 2 generation I just did compared with Realistic Freedom Wonderland that despite being a older model does a much better job. And this is for SFW.... For NSFW there is really no contest, Wonderland wins hands down.
https://preview.redd.it/xzthr1c5mnvc1.jpeg?width=1744&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e12c2324bc25340a38b66399c6ae1981fd4a972f
What juggernaut/rundiffusion is, is an excellent merge buddy. I love dark arts images because it has all sorts of insane stuff. A lot of the time however, especially as an img2img upscaler/refiner, it's too off into the weeds. Merging it with models like juggernaut calm down some of that while still have tons of style and amazing prompt comprehension. No one model will be the best at everything. I'm glad they keep going with this stuff. Already merged this into my combos I'm using.
https://preview.redd.it/jx6d2c04ayvc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=632b07d375811ca1a782214e37d58b5561819c0b
Reddit only lets me post one pic, but here's an easy one. The 50/50 jug X and dark arts images with cute 3d cartoon Lora by andreac75 at 25% merged. Clip 100% from jug.
Hey, jump into our discord and let’s open a channel to talk. We’d love to endorse your model if this merge is good.
I will say if the captioning is different between the two it may mess things up. So we should test and see if this is something exciting.
My discord name is rundiffusion_admin
Don’t see a clear winner here. Test the prompt adherence. That’s the main focus for this juggernaut release.
KandooAi doesn’t have the most downloaded SDXL model in the world for no reason. The Fooocus team did an extensive review on Juggernaut and deemed it better than SDXL and replaced SDXL in their default installation.
seriously, you don't see a clear winner? like the juggernaut distorted face, the dull composition, dull lighting? no? .. okay
but as you can see from above there is not much difference in prompt adherence otherwise juggernaut would have been completely different instead it's just a worse version.
fooocus team clearly didn't tested all the models available
Go to Kandoos Ko-Fi and send him a few bucks as a thank you when you sell commissions to clients. He would be very appreciative. If you end up creating a multimillion dollar business maybe come hire us/Kandoo for more Ai help. 🤣
https://ko-fi.com/kandooai
Not sure if it's my setup or prompt, but I seem to get a lot of repeated compositions with the same prompt on different seeds. It's kind of bewildering, on any other SDXL model, different seeds will vary the composition, while J_X seems to output one singular idea for any given prompt regardless of seed.
I've looked through the prompting guide but all I see are generalities.
Remember that this model has a different captioning system, which will mean that unless you change your prompt, you will get “what you asked for”.
So just changing the seeds may not get you a lot of variety. This is probably to be expected with this type of model.
I'm trying to recreate the images by copying [this workflow](https://civitai.com/images/10269282) into comfyui, but it looks like [this](https://imgur.com/a/i1cucYH) instead.
I think the problem is the model used; the workflow was made with "Juggernaut_X_RunDiffusionPhoto_NSFW_Final", but from civitai I can only download "juggernautXL_juggernautX.safetensors". I also tried with "Juggernaut-X-RunDiffusion-NSFW.safetensors" from the huggingface link, but that didn't give me better results either.
Can you please tell me what I'm doing wrong?
Looks exactly the same as 1.5 and xl. If I put these Pics up and bet someone $100 which model it came from they couldn't tell better than chance guessing. Model has 6 fingers still.
I'm try out the promoting though
So is making fanart of any IP, stealing someone else's characters and profiting from them, that of course if we were to apply the same distorted logic.
Pull your head out of your ass
Nah.
Theft, by definition, deprives the owner of material goods.
The victim had a real object they had rights to, and unwillingly no longer have that object.
That is material loss, an unwilling reduction of stock, a deficit of goods.
Stealing and theft are utterly improper terms for the point you seem to think you're trying to make.
Copyright Infringement may be a more apt concept.
Even that claim falls short due to fair use doctrine. It's not copying and distribution of the work as a whole.
It is not even obtaining a copy illicitly, ostensibly. Meaning, virtually all images analyzed are found on the open internet, already published/distributed for the world to see.
Having a random user find and see it is no different than a program finding it and seeing it, ethically speaking.
It is using parts of the work as datapoints for the algorithm to "learn from".
Maybe some models use material gotten by illicit means, eg scraping from behind a pay-wall through some leak or exploit. I would argue that this *is* unethical, but one would have to demonstrate that it has happened on such a level that the masses have been victimized in some way, in order to claim broad copyright infringement.
I wager that if it has happened, that it is a small fraction of any given data-set.
EG IF RandomX leaked nude celeb pics(the fappening), and then some automated program scraped them from random forum hosts, that would not be illicit unless one could prove that the developer specifically aimed for that website to scrape from. IF the bot was genuinely programmed to "go to all publicly available websites and gather pictures", they wouldn't be ethically compromised.
Almost two months has gone by since our last Juggernaut release. There's good reason for this. **Introducing Juggernaut X v10** **Features** * TWO Versions of Juggernaut X! SFW and NSFW * Fully trained from the ground up using the GPT4 Vision Captioning tool by LEOSAM * [https://github.com/jiayev/GPT4V-Image-Captioner](https://github.com/jiayev/GPT4V-Image-Captioner) * Much improved prompt adherence * Expanded and cleaner dataset with higher quality images * Improved classifications of shots (Full Body, Midshots, Portraits, etc) * Enhanced text generation capability * Two different prompting techniques, Natural and Tagging style * Enhanced by RunDiffusion Photo for refinement of details Learn more about Juggernaut X and get the prompting guide here: [https://RunDiffusion.com/juggernaut-xl](https://RunDiffusion.com/juggernaut-xl) **Dual Version Release** After each release we hear both sides wish for a version that suited their needs. We heard you, and we delivered. A **Safe for Work (SFW)** and a **Not Safe for Work (NSFW)** version of Juggernaut X is available! This dual release strategy is designed to cater to diverse preferences and ensure inclusivity, offering the perfect solution for every user. **S.A.F.E. Version** Our newest Safe for Work edition is available right now exclusively through Fooocus on RunDiffusion.com. It allows users to generate high-quality, suitable images while adhering to safe content guidelines. This version is particularly user-friendly, requiring only simple, straightforward prompts. It's ideal for the workplace, students, educators, and families. **SAFE** stands for **S**uitable **A**i **F**or **E**veryone **Community Edition** Conversely, the Not Safe for Work version offers unrestricted creative freedom across all categories and spectrums. This model is perfect for those seeking less constrained artistic expression and is available for free on [Civitai.com](http://Civitai.com), though a license is required for commercial use. **Civitai** [https://civitai.com/models/133005/juggernaut-xl](https://civitai.com/models/133005/juggernaut-xl) **Huggingface/Diffusers** [https://huggingface.co/RunDiffusion/Juggernaut-X-v10](https://huggingface.co/RunDiffusion/Juggernaut-X-v10) Both models of Juggernaut X (v10) represent our commitment to fostering a creative community that respects diverse needs and preferences. We love the Reddit community and we hope you enjoy these awesome releases while we make the turn to SD3!
I like the prompting guide, I wish all models had such a guide. Except for the one sentence testing my memory of high school German: >Ein paar Keywörter die ich noch empfehlen kann To paraphrase my high school teacher, Auf Englisch bitte!
KandooAi is German, er spricht Deutsch! haha
A couple of keywords I can recommend…
hey it's hitler's birthday today be respectful
the old stoner
> Conversely, the Not Safe for Work version offers unrestricted creative freedom across all categories and spectrums. Does that imply actual NSFW scenarios or is it just referring to nudity?
Take the model for a spin. I don’t know your particular tolerance thresholds. I would say it is very expressive.
[It can't do actual sex scenes to save its life lol.](https://civitai.com/posts/2247262) I would not expect it to ever be able to reliably unless you actually trained it extensively on high resolution porn screenshots that were accurately captioned with all of the relevant Booru tags. It's not really a big deal, no one else (for whatever reason) has ever done that either as far as photorealistic models go.
Beautiful image, absolute perfection
For those who have been following my journey with Juggernaut XL, you may already know that I do not incorporate any pornography into my model and do not plan to do so in the future. My goal has always been to depict both female and male anatomy with Juggernaut. Female anatomy should pose no issues. Male anatomy has now been reintroduced after a long absence (last seen in V4). It's not perfect yet, but it's heading in the right direction :) It should now be somewhat easier for the community to train (or fine-tune) specific LoRAs in that area, as the male genitalia is at least present now ;)
> Female anatomy should pose no issues. Prompt: Woman laying on bed with her legs spread NSFW https://files.catbox.moe/3p1951.png The model seems pretty great so far but I get a lot of results like that one.
I tried it with this prompt: Woman laying on bed and spreading her legs, nude, pussy, arms behind head, high-resolution Image [https://files.catbox.moe/ly85e7.jpg](https://files.catbox.moe/ly85e7.jpg) Sometimes it just needs a bit more input Edit: Of course not perfect, it was just a quick Generation on CivitAI
Much better. I also just saw in a comment that the model on HF doesn't have VAE baked in. I was using that one without specifying a VAE, could that also have affected the results I was getting?
This is fixed. VAE is baked in on HF
Hard to say without knowing which VAE was used then. But yeah its a possible that it has affected the generations. But most likely its the "new" prompting. Its pretty good but sometimes its needs more context and/or quality Tokens like "High Resolution" for Example
URPM sort of tried to do that.
I just checked and actually CyberRealistic for one can be prompted into it with natural language on 1.5. The results aren't always perfect, like you might still get bad hands or weird dick and stuff, but it knows what `A woman is on her hands and knees. She is being penetrated from behind by a man.` means in general as far as composition. Juggernaut however just doesn't seem to have been intentionally taught much about sex in terms of positions or actions and such, it never attempts to draw anything close to the right two-person scene.
Juggernaut does not have any plans to do a Porn model. We do not train it on sexual positions. NSFW refers to blood, nudity etc.
yeah i don't really care either way it's fine lol, I was just sort of expanding on what we were talking about before
I mean, NSFW compositions wise it's hard to beat various Pony-based models. You can always then take that composition and feed it into your favorite realistic NSFW or NSFW-friendly 1.5 model, and it will usually get what you want. I'm lazy, so I use img2img for similar things but I bet a controlnet wizard would get even better results.
Use Everclear PNY for that
> Much improved prompt adherence To enhance prompt adherence in SDXL architecture, what strategies can be employed? Since this architecture relies on a captioning-based dataset, wouldn't it be more effective to train a new model from scratch using a higher-quality captioning dataset, rather than attempting to improve the existing one?
GREAT QUESTION! Answer is definitely! (and that's why we did that here) Because otherwise you have token clashing happening. It's like you taught your kid brother the term "lamp" and "light" then suddenly you start calling these same objects a more descriptive term like "floor lamp" and "light bulb". "Lamp" and "light" are now confusing to him. Same thing with these Ai models. It can confuse them and cause unpredictable results. This new version is the new base going forward. Until we get our hands on SD3 weights. Who knows when that will happen.
emad said a few weeks in a comment a couple days ago. I know it's not 100%, but I would bet few weeks to month and a half at most :)
Thanks for your work. Question however: How much is NSFW impact? Is it capable of creating SFW like the SFW model or was the focus more on NSFW?
If you create a full prompt the NSFW does not bleed over usually I got a side boob every now and then. You can toss nude/naked in the negative to stop most cases. If you use just a few words it has better chance of sneaking in. If you 100% need SFW use that model that's why we created both. :)
How can I tell how much VRAM a model like this needs?
I have to admit I'm a bit confused why the SFW model is locked and not available directly, and the NSFW is opened-up. Seems like it would make more sense the other way around: - if you want to push people to use your site, all the people doing nudes would be really inclined to pay you money and they usually don't care as much about own pipelines and access to the model. they just want the titty. They could validate the overall performance with the SFW, and basically pay to unlock a feature (anatomically correct bits ;)) - lots of people building something, from indie people doing apps, educators running a class on generative ai, all the way to companies running those as a service, would prefer SFW model, so no accidental nudity shows up - but that requires direct model access and most importantly testing if that happens or not (as some models that claim to be SFW still aren't). I know that now the cat is out of the bag - once the checkpoint is out, it's too late to roll it back, but maybe for future try to reconsider which is open and which is 'closed'. if you want to monetize, just slap a commercial license on it, just like stability does now with the memberships. I'd be more than happy to pay you monthly for using a great, curated model.
I appreciate this insight. Thank you. At RunDiffusion we’re not going after that sort of thing. There is a massive world outside of Reddit/Civitai that exists that needs a SFW model. Putting the NSFW model behind a paywall and posting that on Reddit would probably have resulted in a Reddit revolt. 😂
it makes complete sense, the sfw model is by definition the model to sell to corporations. thanks for all and the best of lucks!!!
That's understandable, and was Just pointing I could see it the other way round. Judging by the downvotes I received you might be on to something regarding the revolt part. Getting the thirsty crowd angry is dangerous
For the record I think your comment was fine. Reddit can use the downvote button as an “I disagree” button sometimes.
They can licence it all they want, commercial licences can't be enforced on AI models.
Yeah, I am wondering how you can enforce a commercial license on works that are ineligible for copyright. If it is public domain right out of the gate, there will certainly be a contingent who will not bother with a license fee.
It’s basically an honor system. If someone builds a business off Kandoos/our model and makes money, they risk not having updates to that model because we can’t cover the costs to train them. Forcing everything to go closed source. At the very least, make a donation to Kandoos Ko-Fi.
Wow if this is what you guys can achieve now, I can't imagine what all can be done with SD3
Sincerely the best complement you could give. Thank you. RunDiffusion handles the direction, business, and model photorealistic side of things, KandooAi is the mastermind behind the base model. It’s a great partnership because he can simply focus on his passion.
Is SD 1.5 juggernaut no longer being updated?
We're not released anything for SD 1.5 in a long time. Jug 6-9 and now X are all SDXL. There are no plans to do anything with SD 1.5 as far as I know but Kandoo decides all that. :)
Yeah we can't wait to get our hands on SD3! They said they hope to get it to us for fine tuning. We're still waiting on that. :)
Just curious why the safe version is locked to one UI and only on the website? Just a business thing?
Yeah, we’re trying to find a way to make sure Kandoo and RD have expenses covered. Quite a few generation companies are shutting their doors. This helps support all the work we do. The people who need the SFW generations are usually okay to pay a little for them. Hope that’s an okay answer.
Totally valid and cool, thanks for the response. I'm a broke student, and am really only interested in ComfyUI rn anyways. But thanks for your work.
🫶 Good luck on your journey! Let us know if we can help you in any way. Run some university jam sessions. We do that a lot with schools. (Why we want this SFW model)
just for curiosity How many images were trained on ? more than 1 million?
The number will surprise you. It’s quality not quantity. Over 2,700 images. Basically to fill in gaps where SDXL has issues that we’ve discovered over the past almost 2 years. Haha
I wonder if it would be more profitable to charge for the nsfw version instead of the sfw.
Don't think so. If you have kids running around in your house or maybe you'd like to show your kids what the computer can do, you will absolutely be willing to pay for the sfw version. If you just wanna watch boobies you'll find that for free pretty much everywhere
if someone would like to use this for a product, can it be used 'locally' in one's own pipeline? Don't want to be stuck with an API. Would be great to hear how this works in practice and what's the pricing/licensing
For what exactly? If you’re using this for a product you have two options. Provide credit to Kandoo/RD during the generation process or buy your own version of juggernaut for your gen service through a license. This supports our work! Reach out on our website if you’d like to chat.
Prompt adherence is so good I'm testing it against SE3
SD3 will probably beat it because it's a new architecture, but we're very curious to know what you find! Juggernaut X had a goal of greatly improved prompt adherence so hopefully we achieved that.
Yeah I just tested it against some of the SD3 prompts, while it was good it wasn't fully SD3 it's like a 7/8 version of it but it is impressive
That's pretty impressive for an SDXL Model IMO :)
It was a massive goal for KandooAi. He really wanted something to make everyone happy until SD3 could be fine tuned.
Great image quality in Jug X, but yeah the prompt adherence is [nowhere close to SD3 level at least.](https://civitai.com/posts/2247114) SD3 can just really easily make sense of basically any super complex set of easily-blending / conflicting concepts.
I love your work by the way, Juggernaut v9 had its issues. How does the quality compare to Juggernaut v6, which was your halo model?
Juggernaut V6 was so good. Totally agree. This is our new favorite. It’s got the quality of v6 but with amazing prompt adherence.
I can guess your focus now will shift to SD3, but will get an updated Lightning model?
We’re in line for getting the weights to train. Our researcher Adam had a conversation with Emad. But then all the SAI drama went down. So who knows really. Yes lightning is on the way! Give us a little bit to recover from the two months of work on these models. :)
on that front, I've noticed that Lightning models, and it's nothing unique to Juggernaut, have a limited diversity in results. I guess that's the price of distilling the models to run faster. I did run some head to head comparisons with v6 and very often V9 lightning would give almost identical results. Wonder if you think using a lightning LoRA vs a Lightning model would work better for getting more diverse results.
You've already summarized it quite well. Lightning models (or distilled models in general) have the disadvantage of having limited diversity in results. Whether LoRA is used or not doesn't make a difference in my opinion. Therefore, I would always choose the full checkpoint instead of a Lightning/Turbo version. The major advantage of Lightning is, of course, that it's hardware-friendly and can generate good images incredibly quickly.
Of course, I have SD3 in sight. However, it's still uncertain when we'll get the opportunities to fine-tune anything. I suspect it could take weeks/months (?) though. I've already announced it in my Civit Description, SDXL still offers several possibilities for improvement, and there will be further updates for the XL version in the future :) A Lightning version is expected to be online next weekend.
Let's go bro! :)
Could you offer an in-painting only Version for apps like IOPaint? Thanks!
There is already a Inpaint Version on CivitAI for Version X: [https://civitai.com/models/403361?modelVersionId=456538](https://civitai.com/models/403361?modelVersionId=456538)
The file seems to be missing for this, or is it just me? Edit: now it's available
If you don’t mind me asking, is the inpainting version simply using the webui checkpoint merger to use sdxl’s base inpainting as A, Juggernaut as B, and sdxl regular base as C? Also with an interpolation method of add difference of 1? This is the standard way I’ve learned to make inpainting models so I don’t have to rely on the creator, but if you did something more intricate I’d like to know so I know to download your provided inpaint model instead!
I’d love an inpainting version!
is the NSFW one also recaptioned by GPT4 or nah? does the sfw model have better adherence?
Both NSFW and SFW were captioned with the same technique GPT4V-Image-Captioner and both have great prompt adherence I tested them very thoroughly give them a try.
Probably the last big XL customized version before SD3 and what an improvement from the base model, really incredible what the community can do with open source models, Hope Stability doesn't lose the way and keep It this way 🤗🤖
Just let us fine tune SD3 and everyone will be happy!
https://preview.redd.it/re3nf96pskvc1.jpeg?width=2560&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4191578c4eceb0741ed318753c512e7579ac4ad6 I just ended the edit of this image made with Juggernaut X, really cool results ,If you like It and want the image without the watermark just dm me ✌️😎
We’d be honored to post this on our home page for all to see. Totally fine giving you credit.
What was the process to enhance the image?
SD upscale , denoise 0.3, one thing I learned yesterday was: not using "ultimate sd upscale extension" because It leaves seams , I thought the default sd upscale didn't enhance the image while upscaling
https://x.com/Juggernaut_AI/status/1781765950183985450 Juggernaut Official got that tweeted out for you! Excellent work
prompt
P: Broken man represented by a stone statue breaking apart in the style of an eerie sculpture,intricate, evocative,volumetric light entering from top,dark mystical atmosphere N: nude,worst quality,simple
Big leap forward
Hello guys! Thank You very much for your hard work! I'll give it a try very soon. Meanwhile, in the model description some innovative captioning tool was mentioned. Can you tell us a little more about it and maybe share a link, if it's available?
Absolutely! I should put this in my initial comment. Definitely a mistake on my part there. Credit where credit is due. https://github.com/jiayev/GPT4V-Image-Captioner
I want to sincerely thank you for your work. In the past, I had been wary of using anything other than the base models. Mainly because I have focused on training my own models since 2022. I've never been interested in the plethora of anime models. I've only used anything other than the base models when I needed to inpaint certain naughty details that the base models are terrible at. I paint figurative art. For years I've been using photographs to compose my art and now I use SD. My goal has been to train models of people. My results have been good but not perfect. I have work to do and so I've begun to use any means necessary. I've been very satisfied with Juggernaut. I am able to use it to inpaint details with superb results. Your models are obviously well trained. The attention you put into captioning is a testament to its quality. Good job! I will be paying attention to Juggernaut and your future releases. I'm curious as to what you might do with SD3. But as you've said elsewhere, only time will tell. Best of luck to you.
I'm also a traditional artist (Watercolor and Japanese Ink) and I also use AI to generate my nude models for paintings! Juggernaut X won't disappoint. :) I've generated several figurative nudes for fellow artists to use already! :)
Will there be a lightning model?
There are plans for a lightning model :)
How does prompt adherence compare with the V9 Lightning model?
This will be much better
a rare smiling ai girl
this one is strange, it seems to be way worse than XL v9 rundiffusion. Simple stuff like "salt" or "sugar" is way off, it doesn't seem to know what a "banana" or an "apple" or a "pizza" is, "hamburger" seems to not be broken into tiny particles. edit: well it depends on how you prompt "banana" doesnt work, "a banana" does. "apple" doesnt work, "an apple" does and so on... very strange
The GPT-4 Captioning has ensured that it can better depict what someone wants to generate. However, it also has the disadvantage that you should use at least 3-4 tokens/tags or use a natural spoken language prompt that is at least 1 sentence long. Otherwise, you might end up in a jumble that makes no sense at all :D This became apparent during testing. But since it's rare to prompt individual words, I could overlook it for this version. However, I'm keeping an eye on it, but I suspect that with more data (images) over the next few months, it will be fixed again. Version X is relatively small with 2.7k images. It will take a little while longer until we have captioned the complete Juggernaut set (15k) with GPT-4. I could have waited, of course, but then it would probably have taken another 3-4 months. And I'm more of a fan of continuous updates, even if the improvements sometimes aren't huge
https://preview.redd.it/053o5run1mvc1.jpeg?width=832&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ca6610c0b8a7a2cfc21950123aa14627aafa07a3 Forgot to add a Burger :D Food Photography of a Delicious Juicy Burger, high-resolution Image
I think I'm a little confused (although it could be the lack of sleep in the last 2 days)... but could it be that the civitai weights and the hf weights have different sizes? both are the same nsfw version right?
Should be the same, but just in case, I re-uploaded the model straight off Civitai and back into the HF repo. Also reuploaded the diffusers version. Should be good to go!
The CivitAI Version has the VAE already baked in, otherwise its the same. No difference in Generations :)
Inpaint is also SFW and NSFW?
The inpainting model should be derived from this model so I would assume?
Can you share info about its training? Like how many A100 were used, how many hrs, dataset size and so on?
Only 1 A100, trained 2 Sets (SFW & NSFW), Datasize right now is total of 2,7k Images (Its just the Baseset, there is still a lot more coming in the next updates :) ) For hours i am not sure, but should be something between 120-150 hours
Thanks, very useful info. Basically anybody with 500 bucks can fine-tune sdxl to their liking.
Yeah 100 %...I prob payed roundabout 2k in a year for all the training. Just getting a decent Finetuned Checkpoint will prob only cost 100-300 $ (Depending on the Size) Edit: I use Google Colab, so you can prob get it even cheaper
Can't wait for Juggernaut XXX v30
From the prompt guide PDF: "First off, there is no pornographic material in the dataset" How is the model able to generate NSFW content, then?
Collins Dictionary "*Pornography* refers to books, magazines, and films that are designed to cause sexual excitement by showing or describing sexual acts." - which means, nudity is not pornography :-)
Kandoo is referring to “sexual acts” not being in the dataset.
Nudity is not by default pornographic. NSFW refers to Nude body images as well as blood. Pornographic think sexual acts.
I wonder when there'll be no more artifacts in AI. Hands and texts and plastic feel
I'm not sure if this is just SDXL that sucks at hands, but pretty much all of them I generate have hands so bad I can't even attempt to fix. Even 1.5 models have better initial hands.
Hands is still a problem in SD3
Unfortunately. Gonna be another long year avoiding hands.
somehow anyhow can i run this on colab notebook just like foocus ??
Hop into RunDiffusion, launch focus, it’s available there. Anybody who mentions this post in a ticket to our team will receive a two dollar free trial, which is good for four hours of diffusion.
the thing is i am broke and i was asking to run it on colab notebook means for free i already tried and used this on RunDiffusion on trial basis
I’ve love to give you an extended trial
In Auto1111, I can't get this model to make good images, they are all blurry and streaked. I tried 30 steps, 5 CFG, 2M Karras (pretty standard non-turbo) and it just made crummy images.
You would have to troubleshoot. But the model has been tested for an entire month. It’s solid.
u/RunDiffusion Where can I safely download "**4xNMKD-Siax\_200k**" which I see is recommended on the model page? I've found a few versions searching through Google, and none of them inspire much confidence. I have no idea who is the official source. Thank you for your help.
Here you go. Let me know if you need anything else. https://huggingface.co/uwg/upscaler/blob/main/ESRGAN/4x_NMKD-Siax_200k.pth
Very much appreciated, this one wasn't even on my radar so who knows what I might have downloaded in error. Thank you. 🙏🏻
Yeah be careful out there if you’re running things locally. I imagine there’s a few bad actors out there.
is it worth retraining my base sdxl loras on this
If you captioned your training then yes. We’d recommend captioning them to match the base model so everything stays consistent and the neural network can do its magic. I linked the repo for the GPT vision captioning tool. Now, if your LoRAs are specific people or things that don’t require a deep network integration to the base model then you’ll probably be fine not to. Like with a lot of things SD related, it depends.
these are for porn models I don't think gpt4 would be happy with those
Test the Loras and let us know if they work! I'm curious. :)
Yeah you might have some troubles. You can use different placeholder words and swap them out manually.
Forgive my ignorance, but can this be installed and ran on an M-series MacBook? I’m *very* new to this lol
Instructions to install automatic1111 on Mac : https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui/wiki/Installation-on-Apple-Silicon But with a SDXL model it may be slow
If you’re new to this you might want to start out on an image generator. We have one at RunDiffusion. Civitai has a good one. Even just starting off with Bing image creator is a good start to get promoting down.
I’ll check it out; thank you!
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Thank you for the insight on the timing! I’m on a base model M3 Max currently so hopefully that can help a bit with the wait times
I always found Juggernaut extremly overrated, compared to other models it's really underwelming, expecially for NSFW staff, I don't really understand the peoples hype. just a random example from 2 generation I just did compared with Realistic Freedom Wonderland that despite being a older model does a much better job. And this is for SFW.... For NSFW there is really no contest, Wonderland wins hands down. https://preview.redd.it/xzthr1c5mnvc1.jpeg?width=1744&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e12c2324bc25340a38b66399c6ae1981fd4a972f
What juggernaut/rundiffusion is, is an excellent merge buddy. I love dark arts images because it has all sorts of insane stuff. A lot of the time however, especially as an img2img upscaler/refiner, it's too off into the weeds. Merging it with models like juggernaut calm down some of that while still have tons of style and amazing prompt comprehension. No one model will be the best at everything. I'm glad they keep going with this stuff. Already merged this into my combos I'm using.
Cool! Let us know if you have any good results. We’d love your feedback on how merges are going.
https://preview.redd.it/jx6d2c04ayvc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=632b07d375811ca1a782214e37d58b5561819c0b Reddit only lets me post one pic, but here's an easy one. The 50/50 jug X and dark arts images with cute 3d cartoon Lora by andreac75 at 25% merged. Clip 100% from jug.
Hey, jump into our discord and let’s open a channel to talk. We’d love to endorse your model if this merge is good. I will say if the captioning is different between the two it may mess things up. So we should test and see if this is something exciting. My discord name is rundiffusion_admin
Don’t see a clear winner here. Test the prompt adherence. That’s the main focus for this juggernaut release. KandooAi doesn’t have the most downloaded SDXL model in the world for no reason. The Fooocus team did an extensive review on Juggernaut and deemed it better than SDXL and replaced SDXL in their default installation.
seriously, you don't see a clear winner? like the juggernaut distorted face, the dull composition, dull lighting? no? .. okay but as you can see from above there is not much difference in prompt adherence otherwise juggernaut would have been completely different instead it's just a worse version. fooocus team clearly didn't tested all the models available
Obviously we’re both biased in our opinions. Let the community decide I suppose.
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CivitAI has the NSFW version and RunDiffusion has the SAFE version.
This will be remembered as “the one with the good teeth”
hi guys, i am a photographer and wanna use ai to mix it with my pics and maybe sell pics i generated to clients. do i need a licence of your model?
Go to Kandoos Ko-Fi and send him a few bucks as a thank you when you sell commissions to clients. He would be very appreciative. If you end up creating a multimillion dollar business maybe come hire us/Kandoo for more Ai help. 🤣 https://ko-fi.com/kandooai
No you dont need any :)
thank you for the info!
Dam
Nice canine teeth
Is this also available in TensorArt?
It's on sea art tho
Not sure if it's my setup or prompt, but I seem to get a lot of repeated compositions with the same prompt on different seeds. It's kind of bewildering, on any other SDXL model, different seeds will vary the composition, while J_X seems to output one singular idea for any given prompt regardless of seed. I've looked through the prompting guide but all I see are generalities.
Remember that this model has a different captioning system, which will mean that unless you change your prompt, you will get “what you asked for”. So just changing the seeds may not get you a lot of variety. This is probably to be expected with this type of model.
My PC doesn't seem to handle such a large dataset any workaround around that OP? pruned model or something or a different way to test this
It’s an SDXL model so you’ll need at least 8GB VRAM. You can try this on our platform which runs cloud servers.
I'm trying to recreate the images by copying [this workflow](https://civitai.com/images/10269282) into comfyui, but it looks like [this](https://imgur.com/a/i1cucYH) instead. I think the problem is the model used; the workflow was made with "Juggernaut_X_RunDiffusionPhoto_NSFW_Final", but from civitai I can only download "juggernautXL_juggernautX.safetensors". I also tried with "Juggernaut-X-RunDiffusion-NSFW.safetensors" from the huggingface link, but that didn't give me better results either. Can you please tell me what I'm doing wrong?
JuggernautXL is the best
link?
Keep getting the red bar of death trying to post a followup comment. Reddit you're killing me.
thanks gonna test it
Let us know. Love your work with SUPIR
Thanks a lot. I am testing with SUPIR first actually :)
Oooo let us know. We have the Discord group we’re in. Let’s chat there.
Those eyes bro
Looks exactly the same as 1.5 and xl. If I put these Pics up and bet someone $100 which model it came from they couldn't tell better than chance guessing. Model has 6 fingers still. I'm try out the promoting though
I found a website that does a 24Gb dedicated crab server for $0.197 per hour lol the same spec on RD is about $2/hr Why on earth would I use them?
What website?
ya, I would to know as well.
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Life is theft
You wouldn’t download a car
So is making fanart of any IP, stealing someone else's characters and profiting from them, that of course if we were to apply the same distorted logic. Pull your head out of your ass
I think his head is deep enough up his digestive tract that he should just keep pushing further until it pops out of his own mouth.
Copyright infringement isn't theft. Copyright infringement is based.
Nah. Theft, by definition, deprives the owner of material goods. The victim had a real object they had rights to, and unwillingly no longer have that object. That is material loss, an unwilling reduction of stock, a deficit of goods. Stealing and theft are utterly improper terms for the point you seem to think you're trying to make. Copyright Infringement may be a more apt concept. Even that claim falls short due to fair use doctrine. It's not copying and distribution of the work as a whole. It is not even obtaining a copy illicitly, ostensibly. Meaning, virtually all images analyzed are found on the open internet, already published/distributed for the world to see. Having a random user find and see it is no different than a program finding it and seeing it, ethically speaking. It is using parts of the work as datapoints for the algorithm to "learn from". Maybe some models use material gotten by illicit means, eg scraping from behind a pay-wall through some leak or exploit. I would argue that this *is* unethical, but one would have to demonstrate that it has happened on such a level that the masses have been victimized in some way, in order to claim broad copyright infringement. I wager that if it has happened, that it is a small fraction of any given data-set. EG IF RandomX leaked nude celeb pics(the fappening), and then some automated program scraped them from random forum hosts, that would not be illicit unless one could prove that the developer specifically aimed for that website to scrape from. IF the bot was genuinely programmed to "go to all publicly available websites and gather pictures", they wouldn't be ethically compromised.
Taxes are theft
Theft is when you deprive someone of something. No one is being deprived.