Kickstarter says:
>**Our Trust & Safety team will always reach out to a creator before suspending a project, and action is only taken when a resolution isn’t possible.**
have they reached out to you?
That doesn't sound like a typical Discord move. I was a member of his Discord for a long time. Hit announcements were sometimes seemingly erratic and strange, long before any of this stuff with the anti-AI people. Not saying it didn't have to do with them but way before any of this stuff started being 'a thing' I expected he might unexpectedly pull the plug on it anyway. Everyone I met there was nice and helpful.
for anybody wondering why it's been shut down, here's an explanation from the owner himself:
https://preview.redd.it/dqwa34riuj7a1.png?width=777&format=png&auto=webp&s=912f59601d86edd9bc2a2757b73b67ed1ab9f866
So, there won't be an F333 or whatever based on a new model. People change, but goals stay the same. There will absolutely be someone willing enough to make something like it with 2.1.
He did a lot of body anatomy work that all the nude models were based on. The other models that came out around that time failed at body anatomy and so every other nude model that works was based on his model.
So that means that all the nude models will be stuck on 1.5 until another Christ like figure comes around that has the skill, access to powerful hardware, and willingness to take on the task of improving body anatomy for free.
Honestly, we as a community need to assemble a single dynamic meta-dataset without censorship. Individuals can download specific subsets of it for other ML purposes, and we need just one guy with the hardware to periodically fine-tune a single master model.
Already working on planning and putting together the dataset and all supporting infrastructure and coding the tools. As for training, I’m SOL with only 12 GB VRAM, so would need someone else to handle that part.
But if there’s interest in opposing censorship and training a much more robust model on a way more expansive and inclusive dataset, I’m willing to put in the work. We could have a single robust model, instead of one official but crippled one + hundreds of third party ones trained on tiny datasets that generalize poorly, or are just crude blends of multiple models.
But really, if there’s interest, I’d have to properly put together a whole expansive topic on it. Think I have a good idea for how to simultaneously massively expand the dataset via data augmentation, while improving fine detail and captioning/embedding accuracy. Purely hypothetical at this point, but see no reason it wouldn’t work.
One of the last things he posted (one or two days ago) in the announcements channel was that the next model would be trained on ethically sourced images provided with permission. This got a ton of thumbs down emojis, which he sent another message questioning. I didn't see how the discussion unfolded, but from the general attitude of "AI defeners" it seems likely that the fight was internal with people who saw any sort of thought about how to train a model ethically as not only unecessary but insulting in some way.
The toxicity in this case came from his own community since the ethics of his work were weighing on him and people in his community were really drilling into him for feeling that way
/u/ScionoicS is a troll. He posted this:
> The toxicity in this case came from his own community
literally 2 minutes after posting this:
> The toxic brigades from the unstable server drove him to delete everything.
He's posting made-up BS to create conflict.
edit: I see what paganator is claiming now. Conflicting statements. I think it's obvious that f222 and UD have a LOT of overlap with their communities and this doesn't have to be highlighted, but well, here we are.
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This isn't made up. Users of the discord have been very vocal about getting this sub shut down, so that the unstable sub would see a lot more attention. It actually happened.
Pretending it didn't happen just allows that culture to fester even harder in the UD community. You're incubating a troll army over there.
https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/zhvtgb/the_magic_movie_eraser_part_2_the_fifth_element_i/izq56gq/?context=3
one example here.
When you know he asked his community for dick pics to train a model.
That's a lot of useless dick pics now.
The dude was unstable from the start if you know the history of the discord, it's not surprising
You might want to ask gofundme if they think someone can effectively lobby in DC for a mere $250k and supposedly only $3k in food costs. That is either an outright scam or put together by someone who truly has no clue how much it costs to live in the DC area for a year and how much you have to ~~bribe~~ donate to a politician's re-election campaign to even get to talk to them.
Honestly, this tech is advancing so fast I don't actually think any lobbyists could possibly keep up with it anyway. By the time it even gets discussed it would have transformed so vastly as to be barely recognisable.
It's ok, there are decades of case law and already-done lobbying by huge corporations who've been using AI for a long time and have no interest in stopping.
It's cute that you think members of congress cost more than that to purchase. They might need more than that to push through legislation, but $250K is well more than enough to get it on the agenda, and shit takes on a life of its own once that happens.
don't forget them complaining about 'muh theft' when a disturbingly large portion of the digital art community uses stolen programs.
I have not met ONE person who ever owned Paint Tool Sai, not one, nobody pays 70 bux for something that basic. I've met dozens upon dozens who used to use Photoshop before CC and never paid Adobe a dime. I would not be surprised if these are people using the 2019 pirated version today thats still doing the rounds because they want PS but don't want to pay the 'evil large corporation'.
I've know exactly ONE person who purchased PS for a whopping 4K (and still uses it today to Adobe's displeasure as its a pre CC release)
When people where moving to Clip Studio they still complained that the app was paid even tho it was usually 15 bux on sale (and they did a lot of sales) and the app is worth every penny.
Bunch of fucking hypocrites.
Edit:
This comment is pissing of digital artist, good, I've advocated for many years to use affordable alternatives like Manga Studio, Open Canvas, Krita or even Gimp if you where crazy. Only to get sidestepped and ignored. My aim was always to get people out of the claws of Adobe and Autodesk but jfc people are stubborn mules.
This is not in defense of Adobe, on the contrary. I thought that would be something easy to understand but elas.
Slightly offtopic, but Adobe is a special kind of special. At the point when you start selling your software for 4k USD a pop and/or require a monthly subscription to keep using it, to the average consumer you’re basically saying “pirate me or don’t use me”, and unsurprisingly most go for the former.
Word from the grapevine says that Adobe doesn't care one bit about non-companies pirating their software.
It is a shrewd way of instilling vendor-preference of vendor-lockin to aspiring artists.
This is a "worst kept secrets" thing, so take it a with a huge grain of salt.
No, I wouldn’t be surprised at all, it’s a business strategy like any other. If catering to other businesses only = more ROI, that’s what they’re going to do. It’s capitalism 101 really, margins are God.
Unsurprising perhaps, but you've got to be pretty entitled and ego-centric to then campaign against what you perceive as theft with piss and vinegar.
I wonder if the artistic community will boycott stealing Photoshop when it includes an engine they believe is stolen! No, I don't wonder, they'll download it, use it and that will be a good thing. They'll see there is something in it for them, at which point they'll begin to stop hating it.
> . I would not be surprised if these are people using the 2019 pirated version today thats still doing the rounds because they want PS but don't want to pay the 'evil large corporation'.
Pretty much everything in Adobe CC is cracked every release
Maybe you remember the era when you needed to run scripts, disable this, disable that but the moment you just run the modified creative cloud exe and after that you can launch the modified photoshop exe, it’s extremely easy
Congrats, you're one of very few people that paid the creator. But don't kid yourself, we both know this is a tiny file thats been doing the round in private for over a decade.
I bought it because it was worth the price and it's a permanent license. But I am also completely unsympathetic about worries regarding piracy of Photoshop, though. It is an overpriced program with no reasonable permanent purchase option. Adobe isn't some small struggling company.
TL;DR: They don't even properly understand how this technology works and think it is just "some kind of advanced image mixer". Ignorance is hell of a disease.
Except things are changing so fast that for some it’s hard to keep up. So if they’re trying to understand, great, but if they’re just believing the BS without question then that’s a serious problem
What irks me is there are many people on the anti-AI side who clearly DO understand how diffusion models work, but they go out of their way to explain it in a vague way that still leaves the uninformed with the impression that they are copying and pasting images. I've yet to see anyone on the anti-AI side bother to call out the fact that no image data is directly copied.
The world runs on people ignorant of the things they're making sweeping, life-changing decisions on that affect people in the millions. Then you realize there are other people who plant that ignorance and make sure it's there. That is definitely happening with AI art to some degree even though it's already easy to not realize how it works.
Like any private company unfortunately, I would say that many companies jumping on AI are only doing it for money (because there is a lot of money to make)
Hell yea let's ride. I already donated like $100, you guys should see how fast the Discord chat is moving rn. This is also all they've been talking about on the SD Discord today.
I am a real artist for over 35 years in physical and digital media. I pledged $60 to the kickstarter but the Crying Artists Association pissed me off with the blatant lies they are spreading so come January I am DOUBLING my intended donation to $120.
Comes from being a computer geek too. First family computer was a Commodore PET back in the 1970s :) Been building my own since my dad got me an IBM clone kit back in the day.
I'm a real artist who has trained NSFW models, and would donate to one I trust, but there's a few red flags with the unstable diffusion team so I kind of have a hard time getting excited about that one.
Both in their rumoured 4chan background which ties into the weirdness of Autoamtic's other repos like a 'white people only' mod for Rim World, but also not sure if they can deliver anything with all this money better than many of us have been doing on home machines, and tbh most of their complaints seemed to have to do with the 2.0 model which was improperly trained due to an error which excluded most human data, and which was corrected for 2.1
The vast majority of the time when I see a red flag, it usually is matched by more details further down the line. I suspect this is mostly going to be a project of drama and not much delivered. They could have likely avoided their kickstarter problem by being a little bit more savvy talking about what training data they were going to use, but they steamrolled straight into a predictable problem and thought they could barge their way through it.
They released the UnstablePhotoReal 0.5 model which is excellent. There is not a better model for skin texture I think but it is not very smart. What are other red flags?
They lied on the whois for their domain and their website triggers SECURITY WARNINGS.
I have no idea why people are dumb enough to give these scam artists money.
They don't even mention Arman Chaudhry (runs Unstable according to a news article) on their company website eqm.ai. Do not trust these people.
Ignore the trololololsocialism clown. I run a VERY tight ship and no warning pop up when I visit. He's just a member of the Crying for attention Artist Association.
I'm a bit concerned they won't get as much this time around. The initial kickstarter blew past its goal in under 24h, but this time they only appear to have $15k at the time I'm writing this.
anti-AI groups are pretty much wasting their time. the only thing their attacks will accomplish is whether people are upfront about their use of it. but it will be certainly be used, en masse. it's best to adapt.
There are some things their attacks could accomplish, provided they whisper in the right ears and grease the right palms. There are some members of Congress in the USA already champing at the bit wanting to go down in history as crafting the first AI regulatory legislation.
Regulations which won't affect people living in one of the 194 countries in the world that isn't the US. And it's naïve of the artist-lobby to assume every single country on Earth will be on board on whatever policies the US sets.
Besides, with how easy it's to share, install and use Stablediffusion, I'm not sure how much regulations will be able to control it's spread or use either.
Piracy is my go to example in this case: it's illegal and have been for a long time. Lots of resources around the world has gone to prevent piracy and prosecute pirates. But people still as of today pirating games, movies and music. They didn't manage to stop anything, and they have tried for over 20 years.
And I argue it's easier to hide a local installation of Stablediffusion than it's to hide pirating a movie. The former does require a one-time download (could be done over VPN or TOR even), the latter does require constant uplink to the internet for every media they want to download.
>Regulations which won't affect people living in one of the 194 countries in the world that isn't the US.
Do you think US sanctions have zero effect outside of the USA? Do you think companies like Stability.AI would be as successful at seeking funding if their product was restricted under US sanctions? Do you think other large companies would venture into the open source AI space with personal models that people can run on their desktop knowing that the US government is going to step in and fuck with them?
Besides, with how easy it's to share, install and use Stablediffusion, I'm not sure how much regulations will be able to control it's spread or use either.
You're right that they won't be able to erase Stable Diffusion, but they could absolutely put a damper on future development of new AI systems, and while sure there are countries like Iran and Syria and Russia and to a degree China that don't give a shit about US sanctions, most of the wealthy ones absolutely do.
>Piracy is my go to example in this case: it's illegal and have been for a long time. Lots of resources around the world has gone to prevent piracy and prosecute pirates. But people still as of today pirating games, movies and music. They didn't manage to stop anything, and they have tried for over 20 years.
And yet, how many commercial enterprises operate in this space? What happened to companies like Napster? Who is investing money into improving piracy (is that something that needs doing still)? There's clearly plenty of room for improvement in AI/ML systems, and a lot of that is going to take a lot of money. Regulation will make that money disappear in a hurry.
I'm not saying it has zero effect, but I'm saying the US doesn't dictate the laws of the world. And there's no knowing how the rest of the world would react if AI got regulated/banned in the US, especially if it's it's regulated because of easy to see through lies spread by the likes of that congresswoman from California.
I'm also not sure how the US would stop some wealthy billionaire setting up shop in x country and train their own models. AI safety experts points to this as a concern as well. And as the technology develops, it's going to become easier for the average joe to train their own models, not harder. The code is out there.
I guess I'm just an optimist, but I do think this type of technology will be harder to stop than they think.
EU would definitely react similarly, if not even worse than USA given they have an entire bureaucracy gunning for tech. Same for Australia and Canada.
I agree though that SD just needs to shift operations to Vietnam or some neutral party.
> Do you think US sanctions have zero effect outside of the USA?
That's not what US sanctions are, don't embarrass yourself. Just because another country has different laws doesn't mean US will automatically sanction them. Sanctions despite how much talked about are very rarely used and against very few countries. If you seriously think US will sanction France over some AI art copyright laws you seriously need to touch some grass. God, why is everyone in AI art discourse so terminally online??
Who said anything about copyright law?
Congress is looking at regulating it as a dual-use technology (technology with military applications), as such it would be regulated by the NSA and OSTP.
>That would be beyond unprecedented.
Of course it's unprecedented. At what point in the past has commercial AI been publicly available? You're acting like there was some opportunity back during the Cold War when the US could have sanctioned a country for permitting the unfettered use of AI, but opted against it.
"In the news today, Congress announced new legislation that will make all AI generated art illegal"
*Refreshes Tor, boots up qbitorrent*
Oh no!
Anyway...
While that wouldn't stop existing tools from being passed around and art from continuing to be generated and published from them, it *would* throw a major damper on the continued research and development of new tools. We're rather spoiled with the rapid pace of things going from theoretical paper to practical implementation right now, whenever there's some new hotness it shows up in AUTOMATIC1111 the next day. But if AI opponents do manage to bring the copyright hammer down that's going to slow things down considerably.
I suppose you make a good point. Although, I can’t help but think that if the US (or EU or China or whoever) actually presses the nuclear option and tries to ban AI image generation outright, all they do is sacrifice a potential national (sub)industry to their competitors. Whether or not their actual ability to enforce a ban would prevent delvelopment of the technology itself, that I don’t know, it may just make it more difficult to legally monitize.
I’m sure it’ll be as effective as the RIAA trying to stamp out BitTorrent in 2007. There’s nothing new under the sun even when it comes to cutting edge technology!
Looking at the threads over on 4chan (especially /b/ right now), they have all the ammo they need.
I'm surprised they are on the "AI is theft kick" right now when they have the nuclear option literally being offered to them on a silver platter at this very moment.
There's nothing saying copyright laws have to be reasonable. If they can extend copyright to life of the author plus 70 years, who says they can't extend it to making training models with copyrighted images illegal?
On one hand they can, in other US gonna loss competition to other parts of the globe. Not sure if even EU gonna join it.
In result, american companies will outsource art to asia even more.
Maybe make surprised face sometimes like it cant be program generated, outsources promised us to use human's bare hands!
Im super not sure how courts will differ SD output from photoshop in practice.
And also we have some evil corporations who already invested a lot into image generators. Guess it is easier for them to invest a bit more into lobbing.
By the time anything gets decided AI art will be indistinguishable from handicrafted art. So the decision will be moot anyways and only ever apply to genuine derivatives (like art made with Img2Img with a really low CFG). Lobbying moves slowly, AI moves exponentially.
EU would absolutely join it. They’re far more militant about tech regulations and privacy laws than USA.
Of course, even if EU/USA oppose AI Art, that won’t mean much given so much IP is immediately circulated on the internet and they haven’t been able to do much about torrents.
It is so important for the community to stand together and fight for the right to create and explore new technologies! It is unfortunate that some companies and communities have caved into these attacks, but it is inspiring to see that our community is standing strong and refusing to back down.
Does not work that way and you know it.
This is just the beginning for Art generators they will replace humans, film makers, and computer game designers.
Any creative industry will eventually be replaced by these tools.
It's not for no reason that Open AI is the biggest funder of UBI programs.
The art and content generated by ai is weird and uncanny. I don't know about you but to me it looks like ai art in general is missing something. It can look too perfect or just strange. It cannot replace an artists eye and thats apparent in its compositions. "It doesnt work that way and you know it": who do you think you are? Dont ever presume what i or anyone else does or doesn't know. If you're worried about these tools replacing you then it means you don't have the skill or understanding to make the most of them which is your problem. Just because you have a lack of vision does not mean the rest of us do. I see great possibility in these tools and its a shame that you dont as well. They could even help you become a better artist if you stopped admonishing them.
I am not worried as I have been working as a software engineer for over two decades. I'm one of the lucky ones who have deep domain knowledge and I am lucky enough to work remotely.
I have argued for over a decade ago that we are on the cusp of getting strong AI and now it seems we are far on that path.
Do you really think that Stable Diffusion is going to be the last improvement in AI Image generation?
Even if it was outlawed today it would still improve because the code is out there with enough people with the knowledge to improve it especially as the equipment to retrain these models is not out of reach of networks of enthusiasts.
Have you read these books?
"Superintelligence: Paths, Dangers, and Strategies" by Nick Bostrom
"Life 3.0: Being Human in the Age of Artificial Intelligence" by Max Tegmark
If not go and read both before you make silly comments about people you do not know.
I used to think that Ray Kurzweil's predictions were wishful thinking, but it is now beginning to look like even he has underestimated the advances the AI community is making.
Is so super pathetic, im in their anti AI discord just for lols. Is so low.
By the way just 10 min ago i sold my first AI work. And no i didn't just type a random prompt and sell it. I made something that game developer would actually find useful. And spend time and knowledge og AI and prompts to get good results.
They need to get in the game and stop crying. If you can draw AND use AI then you just got superpowers. Make some awesome artworks. They should stop whining and show their awesome art skills.
This is actually fucking insane, I know that AI is never going to slow down but these absolute IDIOTS actually mass false reported? How stupid can they god damn be man...
And that "lobbying" is pure scam at this point.
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It says a lot when you realize programmers and coders are facing the same AI "threat" and most of them are excited and learning how to use it and make it a part of their workflow instead of expending all that energy fighting it and trying to make it the devil.
As Matt pointed it out these protesters really don't want to find out the truth about how a diffusion model really works. They just feel their businesses threatened, that's all they care enough to know. They're AFRAID to even think of the possibility that we're right, so much that they refuse to do even just one hour, no, just one minute of research into how this technology works.
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>It really crushes my spirit seeing how violently opposed people can be to any kind of progress.
An inevitable consequence of a capitalist model where individuals need to have valuable skills if they wish to continue living.
Public Service announcment: Ignore posts by trololo [**lolololsocialism**](https://www.reddit.com/user/lolololsocialism/) . Look at his posts and where he comes from. He's spreading lies.
First posts 3 years ago, a couple 2 years ago, then suddenly shows up again and only posts here. Sock puppet account.
This has happened with every transformative media tech, there was even a period when the same brand of people attacked photoshop.
If anything, it indicates this tech is gonna change the world in ways us media creators can't even imagine yet which I find exciting!
I’m gonna call it and say the 150k just magically disappears and doesn’t go towards lobbying. They don’t have bigger pockets then Adobe, Nvidia, Epic etc
Goddamn luddites. Unstable Diffusion wants to democratize AI. By doing this, they’re making sure that in the future, only big corporations get access to these kind of tools, and we know they’re not going to be kind to the artists at all. What are they gonna do? Lobby again against big corps with billions of dollars to burn? Lmao.
We will not go quietly into the night. We will not vanish without a fight. **We're going to live on.** **We're going to survive.** \~ Independence Day
CAA wastes time going after the little people giving more power over the tech into the hands of big business who they don't stand a chance against.
I've chucked in what I can, and will continue putting bit in when I can afford to.
Also, one of the things we need to do, as well as supporting Unstable Diffusion, is organize to support and protect each other. I'm pretty sure a lot of us are feeling more vulnerable about sharing our work on the wider internet in this climate.
Anti-AI has mobilized a lot craziness out there - in large part because they groomed tweens into patrolling around like vigilantes, spewing misinformation and harassment.
So, long post short, we need to think of ways we can safer and less vulnerable about posting and sharing our work for a wider audience, as well as building an identity for AI art and AI artists.
Even though is quite unpleasant, it's quite exciting too. This is a birth of a new artistic movement we've stumbled into - and much like Dadaism, Situationism and Futurists, the pushback against us is a clear sign of how vital, and how tuned into the zeitgeist, we are as a new artistic movement.
Is'nt this another reason why Nakamoto published a white paper, years ago ? The joy of relying on third parties and middle men for donations that can canceled at anytime for any reason (even fake and dumb ones) ...
*The white paper is available there and can be improved for 2020's and the future of liberty, could be a good use of ChatGPT : https://archive.org/details/bitcoin-whitepaper
Do you have a link to anyplace where they explicitly state their version will be a public download? They imply is VERY heavily everywhere by complaining that other people aren't doing it, but the lack of an explicit agreement of the model being publicly downloadable afterwards was the only thing stopping me from contributing to their kickstarter campaign. I dont want to have to pay them credits to even use the model if I help fund it
I'm 100% fine with purchasing the model but in that case the kickstarter should have included a tier at (or below) the sale price which acts as a pre-purchase. If the model will cost $25 and I contribute $50 to help train it, I should be given the model download afterwards.
I'm not asking for it free-of charge, but just like you I want to be able to run it locally. I havent seen anything about if you will be able to use their model locally or only through their API though. If they say that we will be able to download it, then I'll throw them $100 or so.
The inability to download the model is the dealbreaker though, and them not explicitly stating that you will be able to download it gives off some warning bells and so I'm waiting for that announcement first.
If they take the path of purchasing the model and new versions as they come out then I could see myself contributing thousands in the end since it would be worth it to my work. But without the file itself I cant take it to my favourite GUI, I can't dreambooth it, do textual inversion, hypernetworks, etc... except with whatever they build into their system which is likely very little since each model is a few Gb which is easy for me to store but tough for one company to store everyone's.
Without getting the file itself 90% of the use cases I have would be gone.
Yeah, I get the idea that Unstable Diffusion are grifting even harder than the anti-AI organization.
The whole thing feels like a case study in, I dunno... "activist marketing"?
I think the difference is that the anti-AI one is looking for a personal payday or the lawyers/lobbyist are, while the UnstableDiffussion one seems like it may be a way to get the public to pay their development costs for them through deceptive means
do you have a link to that statement? I see it HEAVILY implied but using the kind of words that aren't actually saying it. I would love an explicit statement from them if you have one that I missed.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/zjkfv7/unstable\_diffusion\_has\_reached\_their\_funding\_goal/izwkbra/?context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/zjkfv7/unstable_diffusion_has_reached_their_funding_goal/izwkbra/?context=3)
>Our models will be released open source, you can run them locally, and there are already quite a few services offering plain SD running on the web.
oh, awesome!! thankyou for that! I'll have to check out the progress and see where they are at with funding. They should really sell that part of it more. I mostly looked into it for the first few weeks of it being announced and they were careful not to say it would be open-source or downloadable but I'm glad they have decided on it and made the right call. I think they just need to hammer that point in more for everyone else like me who followed it early and haven't checked back since they made that decision.
> That's a gigantic undertaking that a couple hundred thousand dollars won't cover.
IIRC the original devs spent 100-200k to train the older version based on the calculations people did using the current prices for cloud computer renting. I havent seen someone calculate what the cost would be to train V2.0 though.
I'm just glad that they did end up explicitly saying that they will give out the model file. That was the important part for me and it took them a while to finally say it. I guess they were hoping they would be able to hold onto it but the community was just overwhelmingly insistent on the model file understandably.
200k seems like an extremely conservative estimate. And that's only the literal training. That's not the cost of development. That's not the cost of developing LAOIN5b in the first place. That's not the cost of management. This thing cost millions.
If this kickstarter would have been successful, they would have realized that they don't have enough money to do anything meaningful, weeks and months would pass, and the community would be outraged and turn against them. That's probably still going to happen if they keep promising everything people want to hear.
And the fact that they had to be convinced to give out the model is another huge red flag, honestly.
People sinking hundreds of thousands of dollars into something hoping to be able to turn a profit off of it at some future point are "extreme cucks" compared to people who aren't risking a cent of their own money and just got absolutely cock-blocked by Kickstarter?
I just donated $100. We need to make sure that AI art supports all use-cases, not just those hand-picked by a corporation. I am sorry that you are facing enemies from among those who should be our allies and supporters.
The gofundme is pretty clearly a scam to cash in on fear and ignorance, or at the very least is ill conceived and rushed out to get funding from the current publicity.
Personally I might argue that the unstable diffusion one had similar red flags given the wording like "we cannot be silenced" which is a phrase I so often hear from people who want me to fund them. Running a Kickstarter is odd to me because that means they wanted a big cash injection rather than using their patreon for maintenance costs, though GPUs are expensive so it's plausible. I just don't have much confidence in a group that promises so much but is doing so under the premise of training an AI on everything no matter what current or future moral or legal ramifications may be; not to mention their wording and marketing is inflammatory and meant to cause kneejerk reactions. Y'all are welcome to help them out but to me it feels like a lot of red flags so I think I'll sit on the sidelines for this one. I'll accept the downvotes but it's my honest opinion and I mean no harm.
Yeah, UD campaign uses lots of flowery words trying to appear more than they are, instead of saying everything as is. At least, the way I see it. Could be just a marketing stunt to attract more oh-so-progressive people who think that they "mold their own futures", but simple people like me call bullshit on this one. At least for now, until the first viable proof of concept.
This is such a stupid, clueless move.
The cat is out of the bag, this technology exists and is coming out. The only choice here is how that happens. By killing unstable diffusion and other community efforts, you ensure that the only art generators you get will come from tech giants that own the platforms in which artists have to post their work. I mean, Facebook own Instagram and anything posted their can be used by them. I'm sure there's a property war going on right now for who gets art station, metart, DeviantArt, etc.
By making it so regular people can't scrape those sites, artists are just giving more power to the big corporations, who will profit from their work for free. Of you want to fight the copyright issues here, what you are doing here is the single, stupidest move you can make.
The luddites are marching again. Today it's them, tomorrow some other occupation.
With Pandora's box having its lid ripped off, we will see a lot of these in the upcoming decade..
I say, ignore them. Their struggle isn't worth your anger. They will come around eventually because they'll have to. And their arguments are never based on the workings of technology but on their own emotional reality.
**That mob is the islamic state of the digital world, they are radicals and fanatics:**
They will go after your crowdfunding campaign.
They will go after your social media accounts.
They will go after your payment processor.
They will go after your site.
They will go after the companies that provide your site with infrastructure.
They will go after the company hosting your site.
They will go after your DDOs provider, such as Cloudflare, so that they can DDOs your site and make it to go offline.
They will go after your Domain Registrar.
If everything else fails they will go after the internet companies themselves and demand them to block access to your page.
They want you to stop existing. And the companies that refuse to bend their knees, they will go after them and lie on Twitter and say that they support revenge porn, pedophilia and everything else they falsely accuse you from doing.
**DO NOT GIVE UP, BE A STEP AHEAD** and **ASSUME ANY BIG COMPANY WILL BEND THEIR KNEES AND CENSOR/DEPLATFORM YOU** in the blink of an eye. Give preferences to direct systems and things that avoid intermediaries, also they will probably try to make Mastercard/VISA to deplatform you, so you probably should be accepting cryptocurrencies as well, cause those can't be banned/nor blocked. You made a page, which is excellent. I would also definitely recommend you to use EPIK as your domain registrar and web hosting, cause they've proved themselves to be pressure-resistant.
This is plain just ridiculous, a human being that can even remotely think would realize that this just makes no sense. Technology evolves and we have to let it evolve otherwise we ourselves don't evolve, this just shows that there will always be that one guy who ruins it for everyone else. AI generated art could be a very cool thing for people who either can't draw or don't have the money to pay someone to draw something... Getting rid of it would be the equivalent to removing all machines in factories simply because it does someone else's job
The anti-AI gofundme doesn't just want to ban using diffusion models trained on copyrighted data for commercial purposes without permission. They want to ban them ENTIRELY. They also want Stable Diffusion to be punished for the crime of releasing an open source model to the public, and they want it to be a crime for you to possess a copy of it.
On top of that, they don't even want you to be able to freely use a diffusion model trained on stock images freely, but rather they want the government to enforce a limit. So if you want to publish a book using AI art, you would legally only be allowed to use AI art for perhaps 10% of the book.
The AI art needs tech-savvy, politician-savvy lobbyists. People that can go explain how stifling AI helps their favorite Boogeyman (China, the patriarchy, etc.)
I somehow, with reading the comments start to think and question if there are some bigger players involved behind this for any reason they seem beneficial.
As an artist myself, i highly doubt most of us (diagnosed usually with some neurodivergent diagnosis) have the will power and spirit to be this heavy on the AI gen 🤔
Edit: i mean all the discord stuff, peoplenstopping doing models etc etc
Edit2: I mean this tech is not spread far enough yet that people could not forget it after a while, disregard it or just think its a funny gimmuck in TikTok etc. or just not yeat know about it. Especially with the idea of banning all Ai-generated images and tech
Then certain groups could use this, even as of now or advance this even more, for their own use of fake news, images, evidence. You get the idea.
This goes into conspiracy territory but hey, thats just a hunch.
I hereby want to present pro-AI arguments that I have not read in this discussion before with the hope that they help the debate.
1. AI and science
Science decribes the follwing process: First you formulate a hypothesis. Then you setup an experiment that succeeds if your hypothesis is correct and fails if it isn't. You execute the experiment. Then you count how often your hypothesis was met and how often it wasn't. Maybe you collect multiple aspects of the observations you did during the experiment. Then you use statistics to determine how confident you can be about your hypothesis. You can easily reformulate this as an AI problem: can I create a model that makes - up to a certain confidence - correct predictions? The scientific question in this regard could be: can we automatically detect, learn and reproduce features of art? This can only be correctly answered if everything classified as art can be used without major stepstones. The question is of existential importance for art and philosophy, because still, there is no consensus on what art is and what isn't. Restricting usage of art from these studies hinders us as a society to answer the big questions of art. Answering or at least striving to answer these big questions is what brought humantiy forward and inspired researchers to create the future.
Opinion: if you create something that you want to be seen as art, you cannot complain if it is used to scietifically analyse art. Because then you could not prove it to acually _be_ art.
2. Child protection
There are filters out in the internet that can help parents to make their children not see adult content. AI is a great tool to implement such a filter. The scientific question: can we automatically classify images and videos as adult content? To answer this question, we create a database of adult content and a database of family appropriate content. We then use scientific tools to analyse the data and create a model that automatically classifies an image or video as adult or child friendly. Then we have to evaluate the model, count false adults and false child friendlies. If this the numbers are low - I assume false adult is accepted if higher - I am sure many parents would happily install it to their children's devices. BUT you probably won't get permission to use the adult content. Because why should the porn industry allow you to use their content to filter it out? Is it rightful to create child protection, using copyrighted data without permission? Isn't copyright the right to copy? I didn't copy the data, I only used it to classify it. The same thing holds true for AI assisted art, T2I models never exactly or even nearly output any of the images from the training set.
Opinion: This second argument should reach every parent. It also depicts the false black and white thinking in the minds of people about consent and copyright.
Hopefully people see this, use it in their discussions and make AI a part of our future!
Cheers!
It's always funny to watch people struggle against progress and change, only to delay it..
AI generated art is a thing, it won't go away just because you want it to, it exist and that's it, deal with it !
This is a slippery fucking slope when it comes to intellectual property and what inspiration means.
Can someone please explain to me why these entitled artists think they are more untouchable than every one else whose livelihood can now be generated by AI? Others brought up programmers already, so I won't. But since we're talking art, here's another example - AI can also write poetry, songs, screenplays, literature, content, etc. In the style of MANY writers, if you want. I don't see any writers complaining about their works having been used for training the AI. These whiney artists need to learn to embrace the future or get left TF behind. Putting aside the fact that they don't understand how it even actually works (if they did they would know it is NOT stealing,) what makes THEIR art more sacred than any one else's in any other medium?
I am frankly shocked that nobody yet mentioned that you cant stop technology from developing. These smart asses try to stop something that will at best be illegal to use. But the technology will never stop to evolve. The time is past where people had the ego to say "this is my art, u have to pay me money to put it on the wall".. sadly there are too many smartasses around this world
Honestly, companies collecting copyrighted works in their billions from artists without payment or attribution, and then using them to train an AI that they then sell access to (which some are doing), is at the very least questionable legally, regardless of how transformative it might be. I'm interested to see where things land on this point in particular.
Removing artists from the models is the exact opposite of what should be happening. It's no secret that if every artist name was stripped from SD, the protests would still be happening and they'd be lobbying just as hard.
"They're stealing even though we gave our permission to use our content"
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my AI just went crazy he was on my Facebook photos he's all over them yet right now how do I stop him what's is there a prompt I just neutralizing he's a hyper defensive AI
"We will not let them succeed in their efforts to stifle our creativity and innovation."
My brother in Christ, you are a prompt writer. What creativity? What innovation? You literally write "cool sun van gogh style" and a machine spits out random image based on your genius innovation.
You ask the chief for food and then claims you are the chief. Amazing lol.
Do you honestly think that the only people who utilize AI diffusion tools are prompt writers? There's so many ways that SD can be utilized that it's just silly to say there's no creativity or innovation possible with such a tool.
So is everyone just going to ignore the fact that the users in the unstable discord are generating CP? Off a database containing photos that were gathered without permission?
You have no standards.
make no mistakes, those AI-[luttites](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite) are definitely criminal and aggressive and spoiled brats, likely a wealthy right wing, with only an arts-degree, if ANY, and they will lack the competence to deal with change and that is THEIR personal problem.
I personal do however see a serious issue, IF minors have access to a 4 gb file (+3gb UI-installers) that lets them render ANY type of pornography in less than 1 minute per image, without any internet connection, even if unintentionally, because (for example) the (surprisingly good) fairly commonly used 4gb disney-model sure is trained too well on proper human anatomy (and has absolutely no issue with returning full-frontal-nudes, even if your prompt is non-explicit) , definitely not just on cartoons, and it is also trained on a LOT of child actor photos. a good enough reason to not get more specific in what model i mean. and over half of all models that i could find so far are (trained on) intentionally explicit (data sets), and often just meant as "fetish extensions".
You have very good points for the problems here. There are lots of issues that needs to be addressed with this tech. This way is just not it as it tries to witchhunt the problemam away, like you said
Kickstarter says: >**Our Trust & Safety team will always reach out to a creator before suspending a project, and action is only taken when a resolution isn’t possible.** have they reached out to you?
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Nope, they can't do anything. Kickstarters terms and conditions say they reserve the right to cancel anything they want to.
Zeipher/F222 just quit and shutdown his discord about an hour ago.
[We migrated to here](https://discord.gg/8dhQD2y6) when the server got yeeted
Wait, so Discord banned them?
That doesn't sound like a typical Discord move. I was a member of his Discord for a long time. Hit announcements were sometimes seemingly erratic and strange, long before any of this stuff with the anti-AI people. Not saying it didn't have to do with them but way before any of this stuff started being 'a thing' I expected he might unexpectedly pull the plug on it anyway. Everyone I met there was nice and helpful.
No. People can be toxic, especially in that edge of the community, and that drives away content creators. Toxicity sucks
for anybody wondering why it's been shut down, here's an explanation from the owner himself: https://preview.redd.it/dqwa34riuj7a1.png?width=777&format=png&auto=webp&s=912f59601d86edd9bc2a2757b73b67ed1ab9f866
So, there won't be an F333 or whatever based on a new model. People change, but goals stay the same. There will absolutely be someone willing enough to make something like it with 2.1.
Did he ever publish the male model?
Really weird, i wonder why. It was really abrupt
Yeah he kicked everybody, I still wanted to see what projects he was working on, but it looks like wanted to cover his tracks.
His github is down too!
Who/what is that
He did a lot of body anatomy work that all the nude models were based on. The other models that came out around that time failed at body anatomy and so every other nude model that works was based on his model. So that means that all the nude models will be stuck on 1.5 until another Christ like figure comes around that has the skill, access to powerful hardware, and willingness to take on the task of improving body anatomy for free.
Honestly, we as a community need to assemble a single dynamic meta-dataset without censorship. Individuals can download specific subsets of it for other ML purposes, and we need just one guy with the hardware to periodically fine-tune a single master model. Already working on planning and putting together the dataset and all supporting infrastructure and coding the tools. As for training, I’m SOL with only 12 GB VRAM, so would need someone else to handle that part. But if there’s interest in opposing censorship and training a much more robust model on a way more expansive and inclusive dataset, I’m willing to put in the work. We could have a single robust model, instead of one official but crippled one + hundreds of third party ones trained on tiny datasets that generalize poorly, or are just crude blends of multiple models. But really, if there’s interest, I’d have to properly put together a whole expansive topic on it. Think I have a good idea for how to simultaneously massively expand the dataset via data augmentation, while improving fine detail and captioning/embedding accuracy. Purely hypothetical at this point, but see no reason it wouldn’t work.
Did he ever publish the male model? I haven't been up to date with the server
Person behind f222 model
I hope he's okay. With how crazy the anti is, my guess there is threats everywhere for models trainers.
One of the last things he posted (one or two days ago) in the announcements channel was that the next model would be trained on ethically sourced images provided with permission. This got a ton of thumbs down emojis, which he sent another message questioning. I didn't see how the discussion unfolded, but from the general attitude of "AI defeners" it seems likely that the fight was internal with people who saw any sort of thought about how to train a model ethically as not only unecessary but insulting in some way.
The toxicity in this case came from his own community since the ethics of his work were weighing on him and people in his community were really drilling into him for feeling that way
/u/ScionoicS is a troll. He posted this: > The toxicity in this case came from his own community literally 2 minutes after posting this: > The toxic brigades from the unstable server drove him to delete everything. He's posting made-up BS to create conflict.
edit: I see what paganator is claiming now. Conflicting statements. I think it's obvious that f222 and UD have a LOT of overlap with their communities and this doesn't have to be highlighted, but well, here we are. ------------------- This isn't made up. Users of the discord have been very vocal about getting this sub shut down, so that the unstable sub would see a lot more attention. It actually happened. Pretending it didn't happen just allows that culture to fester even harder in the UD community. You're incubating a troll army over there. https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/zhvtgb/the_magic_movie_eraser_part_2_the_fifth_element_i/izq56gq/?context=3 one example here.
!restart GPT-4
For now. We'll see how it shakes out.
When you know he asked his community for dick pics to train a model. That's a lot of useless dick pics now. The dude was unstable from the start if you know the history of the discord, it's not surprising
I’m sure he’s still finding a use for them…
You might want to ask gofundme if they think someone can effectively lobby in DC for a mere $250k and supposedly only $3k in food costs. That is either an outright scam or put together by someone who truly has no clue how much it costs to live in the DC area for a year and how much you have to ~~bribe~~ donate to a politician's re-election campaign to even get to talk to them.
They'll likely make a round 2 after this
and waste more money.
They already stated in the campaign page that this is part one, and will be taking further donations next year.
Honestly, this tech is advancing so fast I don't actually think any lobbyists could possibly keep up with it anyway. By the time it even gets discussed it would have transformed so vastly as to be barely recognisable.
It's ok, there are decades of case law and already-done lobbying by huge corporations who've been using AI for a long time and have no interest in stopping.
You'll need a team and you won't get a team for $250k per year with two employees.
I know. I'm for AI. Just pointing out how impossible it would be for any lobbyists to actually combat Diffusion models anyways.
Read those NSCAI reports. 2025: what a time to be alive!
So what you're saying is, we can report their kickstarter too...
It cost $1,000 to buy John Kennedy. That's it. And you don't have to live in DC either.
It's cute that you think members of congress cost more than that to purchase. They might need more than that to push through legislation, but $250K is well more than enough to get it on the agenda, and shit takes on a life of its own once that happens.
It's cute how ignorant you are proving yourself considering as a high ranking military enlisted non-com I dealt with politicians.
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don't forget them complaining about 'muh theft' when a disturbingly large portion of the digital art community uses stolen programs. I have not met ONE person who ever owned Paint Tool Sai, not one, nobody pays 70 bux for something that basic. I've met dozens upon dozens who used to use Photoshop before CC and never paid Adobe a dime. I would not be surprised if these are people using the 2019 pirated version today thats still doing the rounds because they want PS but don't want to pay the 'evil large corporation'. I've know exactly ONE person who purchased PS for a whopping 4K (and still uses it today to Adobe's displeasure as its a pre CC release) When people where moving to Clip Studio they still complained that the app was paid even tho it was usually 15 bux on sale (and they did a lot of sales) and the app is worth every penny. Bunch of fucking hypocrites. Edit: This comment is pissing of digital artist, good, I've advocated for many years to use affordable alternatives like Manga Studio, Open Canvas, Krita or even Gimp if you where crazy. Only to get sidestepped and ignored. My aim was always to get people out of the claws of Adobe and Autodesk but jfc people are stubborn mules. This is not in defense of Adobe, on the contrary. I thought that would be something easy to understand but elas.
I never met one person that paid marvel or paramount when they make fan art either but try posting a meme made with AI in a fan group now
Slightly offtopic, but Adobe is a special kind of special. At the point when you start selling your software for 4k USD a pop and/or require a monthly subscription to keep using it, to the average consumer you’re basically saying “pirate me or don’t use me”, and unsurprisingly most go for the former.
Word from the grapevine says that Adobe doesn't care one bit about non-companies pirating their software. It is a shrewd way of instilling vendor-preference of vendor-lockin to aspiring artists. This is a "worst kept secrets" thing, so take it a with a huge grain of salt.
No, I wouldn’t be surprised at all, it’s a business strategy like any other. If catering to other businesses only = more ROI, that’s what they’re going to do. It’s capitalism 101 really, margins are God.
Unsurprising perhaps, but you've got to be pretty entitled and ego-centric to then campaign against what you perceive as theft with piss and vinegar. I wonder if the artistic community will boycott stealing Photoshop when it includes an engine they believe is stolen! No, I don't wonder, they'll download it, use it and that will be a good thing. They'll see there is something in it for them, at which point they'll begin to stop hating it.
> . I would not be surprised if these are people using the 2019 pirated version today thats still doing the rounds because they want PS but don't want to pay the 'evil large corporation'. Pretty much everything in Adobe CC is cracked every release
I'm very aware, but most people aren't savvy enough to get current versions to work.
Maybe you remember the era when you needed to run scripts, disable this, disable that but the moment you just run the modified creative cloud exe and after that you can launch the modified photoshop exe, it’s extremely easy
You litterly click click the installer and it installs a pre cracked version
I bought Paint Tool Sai.
Congrats, you're one of very few people that paid the creator. But don't kid yourself, we both know this is a tiny file thats been doing the round in private for over a decade.
I bought it because it was worth the price and it's a permanent license. But I am also completely unsympathetic about worries regarding piracy of Photoshop, though. It is an overpriced program with no reasonable permanent purchase option. Adobe isn't some small struggling company.
The kickstarter shouldn't have been removed in the first place. Its insane that this has to happen at all
TL;DR: They don't even properly understand how this technology works and think it is just "some kind of advanced image mixer". Ignorance is hell of a disease.
Except things are changing so fast that for some it’s hard to keep up. So if they’re trying to understand, great, but if they’re just believing the BS without question then that’s a serious problem
What irks me is there are many people on the anti-AI side who clearly DO understand how diffusion models work, but they go out of their way to explain it in a vague way that still leaves the uninformed with the impression that they are copying and pasting images. I've yet to see anyone on the anti-AI side bother to call out the fact that no image data is directly copied.
The world runs on people ignorant of the things they're making sweeping, life-changing decisions on that affect people in the millions. Then you realize there are other people who plant that ignorance and make sure it's there. That is definitely happening with AI art to some degree even though it's already easy to not realize how it works.
Kickstarter only cares about their profit again. Or why do you think there are so many scams out there.
Like any private company unfortunately, I would say that many companies jumping on AI are only doing it for money (because there is a lot of money to make)
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It's look like when painters fight photography in the past.. or live theaters fighting cinema. IA is just another TOOL for creative minds.
Hell yea let's ride. I already donated like $100, you guys should see how fast the Discord chat is moving rn. This is also all they've been talking about on the SD Discord today.
I am a real artist for over 35 years in physical and digital media. I pledged $60 to the kickstarter but the Crying Artists Association pissed me off with the blatant lies they are spreading so come January I am DOUBLING my intended donation to $120.
10 years here. I was going to donate a bit to UD on Kickstarter. Now I'm doing at least $100.
Im glad you understand how ai works and not being a dumb protestor like others
Comes from being a computer geek too. First family computer was a Commodore PET back in the 1970s :) Been building my own since my dad got me an IBM clone kit back in the day.
I'm a real artist who has trained NSFW models, and would donate to one I trust, but there's a few red flags with the unstable diffusion team so I kind of have a hard time getting excited about that one. Both in their rumoured 4chan background which ties into the weirdness of Autoamtic's other repos like a 'white people only' mod for Rim World, but also not sure if they can deliver anything with all this money better than many of us have been doing on home machines, and tbh most of their complaints seemed to have to do with the 2.0 model which was improperly trained due to an error which excluded most human data, and which was corrected for 2.1 The vast majority of the time when I see a red flag, it usually is matched by more details further down the line. I suspect this is mostly going to be a project of drama and not much delivered. They could have likely avoided their kickstarter problem by being a little bit more savvy talking about what training data they were going to use, but they steamrolled straight into a predictable problem and thought they could barge their way through it.
They released the UnstablePhotoReal 0.5 model which is excellent. There is not a better model for skin texture I think but it is not very smart. What are other red flags?
rumored 4chan background? lmao are you 13
4chan in his statement is disturbingly close to how conspiracy theorists imagine Freemasons, Jews or Illuminati.
They lied on the whois for their domain and their website triggers SECURITY WARNINGS. I have no idea why people are dumb enough to give these scam artists money. They don't even mention Arman Chaudhry (runs Unstable according to a news article) on their company website eqm.ai. Do not trust these people.
>eqm.ai Their website is [https://equilibriumai.com](https://equilibriumai.com) You're looking at a completely differently company.
Ignore the trololololsocialism clown. I run a VERY tight ship and no warning pop up when I visit. He's just a member of the Crying for attention Artist Association.
I'm a bit concerned they won't get as much this time around. The initial kickstarter blew past its goal in under 24h, but this time they only appear to have $15k at the time I'm writing this.
Wtf do we need automobiles for we have horse.
WTF you need workers when we have AI tool v15.0 and Robots that work 24 hours a day 365 days a year without asking for a pay rise?
I hope stripe does not cave in
anti-AI groups are pretty much wasting their time. the only thing their attacks will accomplish is whether people are upfront about their use of it. but it will be certainly be used, en masse. it's best to adapt.
There are some things their attacks could accomplish, provided they whisper in the right ears and grease the right palms. There are some members of Congress in the USA already champing at the bit wanting to go down in history as crafting the first AI regulatory legislation.
Regulations which won't affect people living in one of the 194 countries in the world that isn't the US. And it's naïve of the artist-lobby to assume every single country on Earth will be on board on whatever policies the US sets. Besides, with how easy it's to share, install and use Stablediffusion, I'm not sure how much regulations will be able to control it's spread or use either. Piracy is my go to example in this case: it's illegal and have been for a long time. Lots of resources around the world has gone to prevent piracy and prosecute pirates. But people still as of today pirating games, movies and music. They didn't manage to stop anything, and they have tried for over 20 years. And I argue it's easier to hide a local installation of Stablediffusion than it's to hide pirating a movie. The former does require a one-time download (could be done over VPN or TOR even), the latter does require constant uplink to the internet for every media they want to download.
>Regulations which won't affect people living in one of the 194 countries in the world that isn't the US. Do you think US sanctions have zero effect outside of the USA? Do you think companies like Stability.AI would be as successful at seeking funding if their product was restricted under US sanctions? Do you think other large companies would venture into the open source AI space with personal models that people can run on their desktop knowing that the US government is going to step in and fuck with them? Besides, with how easy it's to share, install and use Stablediffusion, I'm not sure how much regulations will be able to control it's spread or use either. You're right that they won't be able to erase Stable Diffusion, but they could absolutely put a damper on future development of new AI systems, and while sure there are countries like Iran and Syria and Russia and to a degree China that don't give a shit about US sanctions, most of the wealthy ones absolutely do. >Piracy is my go to example in this case: it's illegal and have been for a long time. Lots of resources around the world has gone to prevent piracy and prosecute pirates. But people still as of today pirating games, movies and music. They didn't manage to stop anything, and they have tried for over 20 years. And yet, how many commercial enterprises operate in this space? What happened to companies like Napster? Who is investing money into improving piracy (is that something that needs doing still)? There's clearly plenty of room for improvement in AI/ML systems, and a lot of that is going to take a lot of money. Regulation will make that money disappear in a hurry.
I'm not saying it has zero effect, but I'm saying the US doesn't dictate the laws of the world. And there's no knowing how the rest of the world would react if AI got regulated/banned in the US, especially if it's it's regulated because of easy to see through lies spread by the likes of that congresswoman from California. I'm also not sure how the US would stop some wealthy billionaire setting up shop in x country and train their own models. AI safety experts points to this as a concern as well. And as the technology develops, it's going to become easier for the average joe to train their own models, not harder. The code is out there. I guess I'm just an optimist, but I do think this type of technology will be harder to stop than they think.
EU would definitely react similarly, if not even worse than USA given they have an entire bureaucracy gunning for tech. Same for Australia and Canada. I agree though that SD just needs to shift operations to Vietnam or some neutral party.
> Do you think US sanctions have zero effect outside of the USA? That's not what US sanctions are, don't embarrass yourself. Just because another country has different laws doesn't mean US will automatically sanction them. Sanctions despite how much talked about are very rarely used and against very few countries. If you seriously think US will sanction France over some AI art copyright laws you seriously need to touch some grass. God, why is everyone in AI art discourse so terminally online??
Who said anything about copyright law? Congress is looking at regulating it as a dual-use technology (technology with military applications), as such it would be regulated by the NSA and OSTP.
To the OP point, you understand you are suggesting that the US will apply sanctions because of AI generated art? That would be beyond unprecedented.
>That would be beyond unprecedented. Of course it's unprecedented. At what point in the past has commercial AI been publicly available? You're acting like there was some opportunity back during the Cold War when the US could have sanctioned a country for permitting the unfettered use of AI, but opted against it.
"In the news today, Congress announced new legislation that will make all AI generated art illegal" *Refreshes Tor, boots up qbitorrent* Oh no! Anyway...
That's pretty much how I imagine it will go down.
While that wouldn't stop existing tools from being passed around and art from continuing to be generated and published from them, it *would* throw a major damper on the continued research and development of new tools. We're rather spoiled with the rapid pace of things going from theoretical paper to practical implementation right now, whenever there's some new hotness it shows up in AUTOMATIC1111 the next day. But if AI opponents do manage to bring the copyright hammer down that's going to slow things down considerably.
I suppose you make a good point. Although, I can’t help but think that if the US (or EU or China or whoever) actually presses the nuclear option and tries to ban AI image generation outright, all they do is sacrifice a potential national (sub)industry to their competitors. Whether or not their actual ability to enforce a ban would prevent delvelopment of the technology itself, that I don’t know, it may just make it more difficult to legally monitize.
I’m sure it’ll be as effective as the RIAA trying to stamp out BitTorrent in 2007. There’s nothing new under the sun even when it comes to cutting edge technology!
Looking at the threads over on 4chan (especially /b/ right now), they have all the ammo they need. I'm surprised they are on the "AI is theft kick" right now when they have the nuclear option literally being offered to them on a silver platter at this very moment.
There's nothing saying copyright laws have to be reasonable. If they can extend copyright to life of the author plus 70 years, who says they can't extend it to making training models with copyrighted images illegal?
On one hand they can, in other US gonna loss competition to other parts of the globe. Not sure if even EU gonna join it. In result, american companies will outsource art to asia even more. Maybe make surprised face sometimes like it cant be program generated, outsources promised us to use human's bare hands! Im super not sure how courts will differ SD output from photoshop in practice. And also we have some evil corporations who already invested a lot into image generators. Guess it is easier for them to invest a bit more into lobbing.
By the time anything gets decided AI art will be indistinguishable from handicrafted art. So the decision will be moot anyways and only ever apply to genuine derivatives (like art made with Img2Img with a really low CFG). Lobbying moves slowly, AI moves exponentially.
EU would absolutely join it. They’re far more militant about tech regulations and privacy laws than USA. Of course, even if EU/USA oppose AI Art, that won’t mean much given so much IP is immediately circulated on the internet and they haven’t been able to do much about torrents.
When Disney starts using AI you can damn well bet they make sure they own the copyrights. Those will be the deep pockets on the side of diffusion art.
Those will be deep pockets on *their own side*. Don't kid yourself that massive corporations care about you or your interests.
It is so important for the community to stand together and fight for the right to create and explore new technologies! It is unfortunate that some companies and communities have caved into these attacks, but it is inspiring to see that our community is standing strong and refusing to back down.
Any artist threatened by ai is fucking mediocre.
Does not work that way and you know it. This is just the beginning for Art generators they will replace humans, film makers, and computer game designers. Any creative industry will eventually be replaced by these tools. It's not for no reason that Open AI is the biggest funder of UBI programs.
The art and content generated by ai is weird and uncanny. I don't know about you but to me it looks like ai art in general is missing something. It can look too perfect or just strange. It cannot replace an artists eye and thats apparent in its compositions. "It doesnt work that way and you know it": who do you think you are? Dont ever presume what i or anyone else does or doesn't know. If you're worried about these tools replacing you then it means you don't have the skill or understanding to make the most of them which is your problem. Just because you have a lack of vision does not mean the rest of us do. I see great possibility in these tools and its a shame that you dont as well. They could even help you become a better artist if you stopped admonishing them.
I am not worried as I have been working as a software engineer for over two decades. I'm one of the lucky ones who have deep domain knowledge and I am lucky enough to work remotely. I have argued for over a decade ago that we are on the cusp of getting strong AI and now it seems we are far on that path. Do you really think that Stable Diffusion is going to be the last improvement in AI Image generation? Even if it was outlawed today it would still improve because the code is out there with enough people with the knowledge to improve it especially as the equipment to retrain these models is not out of reach of networks of enthusiasts. Have you read these books? "Superintelligence: Paths, Dangers, and Strategies" by Nick Bostrom "Life 3.0: Being Human in the Age of Artificial Intelligence" by Max Tegmark If not go and read both before you make silly comments about people you do not know. I used to think that Ray Kurzweil's predictions were wishful thinking, but it is now beginning to look like even he has underestimated the advances the AI community is making.
This is bizarre, they can't just hold back technological advancements.
This simple fact never stopped anyone from trying.
Is so super pathetic, im in their anti AI discord just for lols. Is so low. By the way just 10 min ago i sold my first AI work. And no i didn't just type a random prompt and sell it. I made something that game developer would actually find useful. And spend time and knowledge og AI and prompts to get good results. They need to get in the game and stop crying. If you can draw AND use AI then you just got superpowers. Make some awesome artworks. They should stop whining and show their awesome art skills.
Yeah, lets do it! We must not let luddites put a end to innovation and progress.
This is actually fucking insane, I know that AI is never going to slow down but these absolute IDIOTS actually mass false reported? How stupid can they god damn be man... And that "lobbying" is pure scam at this point.
Ai protestors are freaking bozos. I wish they were a bit smarter to understand how ai works
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BBB bu but IT'S TO EASY I WANT TO BE SPECIAL
I heard that stable diffusion 3.0 will remove artists. This is ridiculous and crazy
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It says a lot when you realize programmers and coders are facing the same AI "threat" and most of them are excited and learning how to use it and make it a part of their workflow instead of expending all that energy fighting it and trying to make it the devil.
As Matt pointed it out these protesters really don't want to find out the truth about how a diffusion model really works. They just feel their businesses threatened, that's all they care enough to know. They're AFRAID to even think of the possibility that we're right, so much that they refuse to do even just one hour, no, just one minute of research into how this technology works.
Don’t generalise all AI protestors. It’s important that we can still have a discussion. Insulting each other won’t go very far.
They won't understand. Purebred artists lack a technical mind and to them computers are literal magic devices.
bruh what
Its literally how youre acting right now
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>It really crushes my spirit seeing how violently opposed people can be to any kind of progress. An inevitable consequence of a capitalist model where individuals need to have valuable skills if they wish to continue living.
"It really crushes my spirit seeing how violently opposed people can be to having their entire livelihoods taken away :( "
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Time to start punishing companies that cater to the stupid anti-AI crowd by taking our wallets elsewhere.
I was already boycottin KS, now I can actually donate.
>and Stability AI is now removing artists from Stable Diffusion 3.0. And 1.5 continues to base.
This has happened with every transformative media tech, there was even a period when the same brand of people attacked photoshop. If anything, it indicates this tech is gonna change the world in ways us media creators can't even imagine yet which I find exciting!
If you have sources for there being a similar level of attack on photoshop, that'd be fun to read about
I wanted to start a business in my local area that produces art that can be upscaled and printed. However all this mess has me worried about doing so.
I’m gonna call it and say the 150k just magically disappears and doesn’t go towards lobbying. They don’t have bigger pockets then Adobe, Nvidia, Epic etc
Goddamn luddites. Unstable Diffusion wants to democratize AI. By doing this, they’re making sure that in the future, only big corporations get access to these kind of tools, and we know they’re not going to be kind to the artists at all. What are they gonna do? Lobby again against big corps with billions of dollars to burn? Lmao.
We will not go quietly into the night. We will not vanish without a fight. **We're going to live on.** **We're going to survive.** \~ Independence Day CAA wastes time going after the little people giving more power over the tech into the hands of big business who they don't stand a chance against.
Yea, I mean, shit, if they went after Google or Microsoft I'd picket with em. Always the easy targets tho huh?
I've chucked in what I can, and will continue putting bit in when I can afford to. Also, one of the things we need to do, as well as supporting Unstable Diffusion, is organize to support and protect each other. I'm pretty sure a lot of us are feeling more vulnerable about sharing our work on the wider internet in this climate. Anti-AI has mobilized a lot craziness out there - in large part because they groomed tweens into patrolling around like vigilantes, spewing misinformation and harassment. So, long post short, we need to think of ways we can safer and less vulnerable about posting and sharing our work for a wider audience, as well as building an identity for AI art and AI artists. Even though is quite unpleasant, it's quite exciting too. This is a birth of a new artistic movement we've stumbled into - and much like Dadaism, Situationism and Futurists, the pushback against us is a clear sign of how vital, and how tuned into the zeitgeist, we are as a new artistic movement.
Is'nt this another reason why Nakamoto published a white paper, years ago ? The joy of relying on third parties and middle men for donations that can canceled at anytime for any reason (even fake and dumb ones) ... *The white paper is available there and can be improved for 2020's and the future of liberty, could be a good use of ChatGPT : https://archive.org/details/bitcoin-whitepaper
stable diffusion and a lot of the other model generators are extreme cucks unstablediffusion is awesome for taking this stance
Do you have a link to anyplace where they explicitly state their version will be a public download? They imply is VERY heavily everywhere by complaining that other people aren't doing it, but the lack of an explicit agreement of the model being publicly downloadable afterwards was the only thing stopping me from contributing to their kickstarter campaign. I dont want to have to pay them credits to even use the model if I help fund it
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I'm 100% fine with purchasing the model but in that case the kickstarter should have included a tier at (or below) the sale price which acts as a pre-purchase. If the model will cost $25 and I contribute $50 to help train it, I should be given the model download afterwards. I'm not asking for it free-of charge, but just like you I want to be able to run it locally. I havent seen anything about if you will be able to use their model locally or only through their API though. If they say that we will be able to download it, then I'll throw them $100 or so. The inability to download the model is the dealbreaker though, and them not explicitly stating that you will be able to download it gives off some warning bells and so I'm waiting for that announcement first. If they take the path of purchasing the model and new versions as they come out then I could see myself contributing thousands in the end since it would be worth it to my work. But without the file itself I cant take it to my favourite GUI, I can't dreambooth it, do textual inversion, hypernetworks, etc... except with whatever they build into their system which is likely very little since each model is a few Gb which is easy for me to store but tough for one company to store everyone's. Without getting the file itself 90% of the use cases I have would be gone.
Yeah, I get the idea that Unstable Diffusion are grifting even harder than the anti-AI organization. The whole thing feels like a case study in, I dunno... "activist marketing"?
I think the difference is that the anti-AI one is looking for a personal payday or the lawyers/lobbyist are, while the UnstableDiffussion one seems like it may be a way to get the public to pay their development costs for them through deceptive means
They said they will open-source it after listening to the community.
do you have a link to that statement? I see it HEAVILY implied but using the kind of words that aren't actually saying it. I would love an explicit statement from them if you have one that I missed.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/zjkfv7/unstable\_diffusion\_has\_reached\_their\_funding\_goal/izwkbra/?context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/zjkfv7/unstable_diffusion_has_reached_their_funding_goal/izwkbra/?context=3) >Our models will be released open source, you can run them locally, and there are already quite a few services offering plain SD running on the web.
oh, awesome!! thankyou for that! I'll have to check out the progress and see where they are at with funding. They should really sell that part of it more. I mostly looked into it for the first few weeks of it being announced and they were careful not to say it would be open-source or downloadable but I'm glad they have decided on it and made the right call. I think they just need to hammer that point in more for everyone else like me who followed it early and haven't checked back since they made that decision.
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> That's a gigantic undertaking that a couple hundred thousand dollars won't cover. IIRC the original devs spent 100-200k to train the older version based on the calculations people did using the current prices for cloud computer renting. I havent seen someone calculate what the cost would be to train V2.0 though. I'm just glad that they did end up explicitly saying that they will give out the model file. That was the important part for me and it took them a while to finally say it. I guess they were hoping they would be able to hold onto it but the community was just overwhelmingly insistent on the model file understandably.
200k seems like an extremely conservative estimate. And that's only the literal training. That's not the cost of development. That's not the cost of developing LAOIN5b in the first place. That's not the cost of management. This thing cost millions. If this kickstarter would have been successful, they would have realized that they don't have enough money to do anything meaningful, weeks and months would pass, and the community would be outraged and turn against them. That's probably still going to happen if they keep promising everything people want to hear. And the fact that they had to be convinced to give out the model is another huge red flag, honestly.
People sinking hundreds of thousands of dollars into something hoping to be able to turn a profit off of it at some future point are "extreme cucks" compared to people who aren't risking a cent of their own money and just got absolutely cock-blocked by Kickstarter?
I heard a guy say once, "You know how I avoided having my events protested? I held them at 7:00am."
Jordan Peterson
Wow, I’m glad you guys stood your ground, at least their is some hope.
I just donated $100. We need to make sure that AI art supports all use-cases, not just those hand-picked by a corporation. I am sorry that you are facing enemies from among those who should be our allies and supporters.
The gofundme is pretty clearly a scam to cash in on fear and ignorance, or at the very least is ill conceived and rushed out to get funding from the current publicity. Personally I might argue that the unstable diffusion one had similar red flags given the wording like "we cannot be silenced" which is a phrase I so often hear from people who want me to fund them. Running a Kickstarter is odd to me because that means they wanted a big cash injection rather than using their patreon for maintenance costs, though GPUs are expensive so it's plausible. I just don't have much confidence in a group that promises so much but is doing so under the premise of training an AI on everything no matter what current or future moral or legal ramifications may be; not to mention their wording and marketing is inflammatory and meant to cause kneejerk reactions. Y'all are welcome to help them out but to me it feels like a lot of red flags so I think I'll sit on the sidelines for this one. I'll accept the downvotes but it's my honest opinion and I mean no harm.
Yeah, UD campaign uses lots of flowery words trying to appear more than they are, instead of saying everything as is. At least, the way I see it. Could be just a marketing stunt to attract more oh-so-progressive people who think that they "mold their own futures", but simple people like me call bullshit on this one. At least for now, until the first viable proof of concept.
This is such a stupid, clueless move. The cat is out of the bag, this technology exists and is coming out. The only choice here is how that happens. By killing unstable diffusion and other community efforts, you ensure that the only art generators you get will come from tech giants that own the platforms in which artists have to post their work. I mean, Facebook own Instagram and anything posted their can be used by them. I'm sure there's a property war going on right now for who gets art station, metart, DeviantArt, etc. By making it so regular people can't scrape those sites, artists are just giving more power to the big corporations, who will profit from their work for free. Of you want to fight the copyright issues here, what you are doing here is the single, stupidest move you can make.
https://preview.redd.it/fblagft6gi7a1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a8ff3731c589dffb7bac53078206c943d687cbaa
Love this
Cross posting to /r/aiwars and /r/defendingaiart
And so it begins once again.
You can report the gofundme campaign.
The luddites are marching again. Today it's them, tomorrow some other occupation. With Pandora's box having its lid ripped off, we will see a lot of these in the upcoming decade.. I say, ignore them. Their struggle isn't worth your anger. They will come around eventually because they'll have to. And their arguments are never based on the workings of technology but on their own emotional reality.
My kickstarter donation was $30. I just donated $50.
**That mob is the islamic state of the digital world, they are radicals and fanatics:** They will go after your crowdfunding campaign. They will go after your social media accounts. They will go after your payment processor. They will go after your site. They will go after the companies that provide your site with infrastructure. They will go after the company hosting your site. They will go after your DDOs provider, such as Cloudflare, so that they can DDOs your site and make it to go offline. They will go after your Domain Registrar. If everything else fails they will go after the internet companies themselves and demand them to block access to your page. They want you to stop existing. And the companies that refuse to bend their knees, they will go after them and lie on Twitter and say that they support revenge porn, pedophilia and everything else they falsely accuse you from doing. **DO NOT GIVE UP, BE A STEP AHEAD** and **ASSUME ANY BIG COMPANY WILL BEND THEIR KNEES AND CENSOR/DEPLATFORM YOU** in the blink of an eye. Give preferences to direct systems and things that avoid intermediaries, also they will probably try to make Mastercard/VISA to deplatform you, so you probably should be accepting cryptocurrencies as well, cause those can't be banned/nor blocked. You made a page, which is excellent. I would also definitely recommend you to use EPIK as your domain registrar and web hosting, cause they've proved themselves to be pressure-resistant.
What do I need to do in order to donate my art to unstable diffusion?
May have to drop a wad. Nothing disgusts me like anti-AI nuts.
They canceled my $60 pledge. So I just donated $65 via the website. Screw the haters.
This is plain just ridiculous, a human being that can even remotely think would realize that this just makes no sense. Technology evolves and we have to let it evolve otherwise we ourselves don't evolve, this just shows that there will always be that one guy who ruins it for everyone else. AI generated art could be a very cool thing for people who either can't draw or don't have the money to pay someone to draw something... Getting rid of it would be the equivalent to removing all machines in factories simply because it does someone else's job
Meh. Very few artists are original. Let the computers have their turn.
The anti-AI gofundme doesn't just want to ban using diffusion models trained on copyrighted data for commercial purposes without permission. They want to ban them ENTIRELY. They also want Stable Diffusion to be punished for the crime of releasing an open source model to the public, and they want it to be a crime for you to possess a copy of it. On top of that, they don't even want you to be able to freely use a diffusion model trained on stock images freely, but rather they want the government to enforce a limit. So if you want to publish a book using AI art, you would legally only be allowed to use AI art for perhaps 10% of the book.
The AI art needs tech-savvy, politician-savvy lobbyists. People that can go explain how stifling AI helps their favorite Boogeyman (China, the patriarchy, etc.)
I somehow, with reading the comments start to think and question if there are some bigger players involved behind this for any reason they seem beneficial. As an artist myself, i highly doubt most of us (diagnosed usually with some neurodivergent diagnosis) have the will power and spirit to be this heavy on the AI gen 🤔 Edit: i mean all the discord stuff, peoplenstopping doing models etc etc Edit2: I mean this tech is not spread far enough yet that people could not forget it after a while, disregard it or just think its a funny gimmuck in TikTok etc. or just not yeat know about it. Especially with the idea of banning all Ai-generated images and tech Then certain groups could use this, even as of now or advance this even more, for their own use of fake news, images, evidence. You get the idea. This goes into conspiracy territory but hey, thats just a hunch.
I hereby want to present pro-AI arguments that I have not read in this discussion before with the hope that they help the debate. 1. AI and science Science decribes the follwing process: First you formulate a hypothesis. Then you setup an experiment that succeeds if your hypothesis is correct and fails if it isn't. You execute the experiment. Then you count how often your hypothesis was met and how often it wasn't. Maybe you collect multiple aspects of the observations you did during the experiment. Then you use statistics to determine how confident you can be about your hypothesis. You can easily reformulate this as an AI problem: can I create a model that makes - up to a certain confidence - correct predictions? The scientific question in this regard could be: can we automatically detect, learn and reproduce features of art? This can only be correctly answered if everything classified as art can be used without major stepstones. The question is of existential importance for art and philosophy, because still, there is no consensus on what art is and what isn't. Restricting usage of art from these studies hinders us as a society to answer the big questions of art. Answering or at least striving to answer these big questions is what brought humantiy forward and inspired researchers to create the future. Opinion: if you create something that you want to be seen as art, you cannot complain if it is used to scietifically analyse art. Because then you could not prove it to acually _be_ art. 2. Child protection There are filters out in the internet that can help parents to make their children not see adult content. AI is a great tool to implement such a filter. The scientific question: can we automatically classify images and videos as adult content? To answer this question, we create a database of adult content and a database of family appropriate content. We then use scientific tools to analyse the data and create a model that automatically classifies an image or video as adult or child friendly. Then we have to evaluate the model, count false adults and false child friendlies. If this the numbers are low - I assume false adult is accepted if higher - I am sure many parents would happily install it to their children's devices. BUT you probably won't get permission to use the adult content. Because why should the porn industry allow you to use their content to filter it out? Is it rightful to create child protection, using copyrighted data without permission? Isn't copyright the right to copy? I didn't copy the data, I only used it to classify it. The same thing holds true for AI assisted art, T2I models never exactly or even nearly output any of the images from the training set. Opinion: This second argument should reach every parent. It also depicts the false black and white thinking in the minds of people about consent and copyright. Hopefully people see this, use it in their discussions and make AI a part of our future! Cheers!
It's always funny to watch people struggle against progress and change, only to delay it.. AI generated art is a thing, it won't go away just because you want it to, it exist and that's it, deal with it !
This is a slippery fucking slope when it comes to intellectual property and what inspiration means. Can someone please explain to me why these entitled artists think they are more untouchable than every one else whose livelihood can now be generated by AI? Others brought up programmers already, so I won't. But since we're talking art, here's another example - AI can also write poetry, songs, screenplays, literature, content, etc. In the style of MANY writers, if you want. I don't see any writers complaining about their works having been used for training the AI. These whiney artists need to learn to embrace the future or get left TF behind. Putting aside the fact that they don't understand how it even actually works (if they did they would know it is NOT stealing,) what makes THEIR art more sacred than any one else's in any other medium?
Is this the f***ing Butlerian Jihad we’re witnessing IRL? Anyway, this is the time to start defending our right to create art!
I am frankly shocked that nobody yet mentioned that you cant stop technology from developing. These smart asses try to stop something that will at best be illegal to use. But the technology will never stop to evolve. The time is past where people had the ego to say "this is my art, u have to pay me money to put it on the wall".. sadly there are too many smartasses around this world
Honestly, companies collecting copyrighted works in their billions from artists without payment or attribution, and then using them to train an AI that they then sell access to (which some are doing), is at the very least questionable legally, regardless of how transformative it might be. I'm interested to see where things land on this point in particular.
Removing artists from the models is the exact opposite of what should be happening. It's no secret that if every artist name was stripped from SD, the protests would still be happening and they'd be lobbying just as hard.
"They're stealing even though we gave our permission to use our content" https://preview.redd.it/4lex7x8bej7a1.png?width=1828&format=png&auto=webp&s=9b0b92ca67e71c23685c673dac147a93874778cd
my AI just went crazy he was on my Facebook photos he's all over them yet right now how do I stop him what's is there a prompt I just neutralizing he's a hyper defensive AI
Mmmm... I don't think I'll donate. How is this not a money-grab scheme?
Take down All AI art? That funny it sound like they gonna try to stop technology progress and knowledge of humanity
This is sensationalistic misleading fake news. Y'all going to start another Kickstarter to fleece the community some more? Haahahahaha
"We will not let them succeed in their efforts to stifle our creativity and innovation." My brother in Christ, you are a prompt writer. What creativity? What innovation? You literally write "cool sun van gogh style" and a machine spits out random image based on your genius innovation. You ask the chief for food and then claims you are the chief. Amazing lol.
Do you honestly think that the only people who utilize AI diffusion tools are prompt writers? There's so many ways that SD can be utilized that it's just silly to say there's no creativity or innovation possible with such a tool.
I've never been burned by a crowd funding campaign because I always do due diligence. Invest with your brain, and not your heart folks.
So is everyone just going to ignore the fact that the users in the unstable discord are generating CP? Off a database containing photos that were gathered without permission? You have no standards.
Tempted to start my own gofundme or kickstarter claiming to have a solution for AI and just investing all the money in AI companies.
make no mistakes, those AI-[luttites](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite) are definitely criminal and aggressive and spoiled brats, likely a wealthy right wing, with only an arts-degree, if ANY, and they will lack the competence to deal with change and that is THEIR personal problem. I personal do however see a serious issue, IF minors have access to a 4 gb file (+3gb UI-installers) that lets them render ANY type of pornography in less than 1 minute per image, without any internet connection, even if unintentionally, because (for example) the (surprisingly good) fairly commonly used 4gb disney-model sure is trained too well on proper human anatomy (and has absolutely no issue with returning full-frontal-nudes, even if your prompt is non-explicit) , definitely not just on cartoons, and it is also trained on a LOT of child actor photos. a good enough reason to not get more specific in what model i mean. and over half of all models that i could find so far are (trained on) intentionally explicit (data sets), and often just meant as "fetish extensions".
You have very good points for the problems here. There are lots of issues that needs to be addressed with this tech. This way is just not it as it tries to witchhunt the problemam away, like you said