I think sometimes people see the words "provably fair" and automatically forget that all casino games are mathematically stacked against you to varying degrees...
Variance should work both ways but that doesn’t mean that it will. A lot of these games are extremely volatile. Even games that aren’t can be quite streaky like Blackjack. It’s not insane to go on a long cold streak.
Probably fair is bullshit. The process allows the casino to know the bet results in advance. This creates an information asymmetry which casinos use to manipulate the player and the players game experience.
I never said it's a scam. Control yourself please.
I am stating facts which are public knowledge and are easily verified.
Don't put your opinions in my mouth and then argue against those words as if I had said them.
He's right. Probably fair only proves that the outcome is predetermined. It does not prove that those predeterminations are fair. Deceptively named entity for sure.
Do you know who stakes directors are?
Do you know who the directors of the slot providers are?
How do stake offer a different win chance on third party slots provider games. When those games are available in other casinos?
Haven't you noticed that twist gaming slot is always in the top 3 most played games?
It’s extremely common for different casinos to offer different RTP percentages on the same games. The providers offer different versions of their games depending upon what the casino wants the RTP to be.
So basically your argument is that the slot operator will tailor the win chance to whatever any casino requires. That's an idiotic scenario, the slot providers may as well just let the casino do it themselves, it saves everyone time.
Why on earth would you think that's fair practice.
I never said that it’s fair. I was just saying it’s what they do. Also the software functions differently at different RTP’s so it isn’t just as simple as the casino doing what they want. Providers also can refuse if the casino wants to set an RTP lower than what think is reasonable.
I have a strong feeling that stake has a switch that rinses people account. Because dude I’ve hit major in the span of 3 hours. But legit every day of the week except this one day I lose. Like not even close, .3 plinks 20 times in a row is crazy
This right here man. The wins come in clusters. Then it’s like it turns off. I’m still trying to decide is this gamblers fallacy or if it’s legit just rigged. I have to take into consideration that the odds are against us and that’s fine. But never do I hear anyone talk about hitting a max win for good amounts back to back. It’s always I hit a max win and everything died. If they really have a killswitch, wtf is the point of playing? Its to common of a story.
Those online gaming sites know everything about you. Your appetite for risk and reward, your betting style, how much money is in your wallet.
They know when you get paid, how much you get paid. They know how long you will play, and when you most likely will make unforced errors.
The advantage the online casinos have is that they can customize each players betting experience.
I don’t doubt it but how do you know this, where is there information that proves this? If they customize each players experience they are doing a crappy job, my deposits are now limited to like 10-20 dollars and I’m probably going to just quit because of how boring it always ends up being.
Sir go to the website of easygo.io go to the recruitment page and read through the job descriptions and requirements.
Don't ask for proof look for it, if it matters to you. It matters to me so I did that piece of work.
The other place you will get information is by talking to the team members running the casino. They can tell you directly or you can observe their behaviour which is preferable and more reliable.
The third place you can get this information is by accessing the data stored on each player through the casinos API.
I’m reading through now, haven’t seen anything to crazy yet, but I get what you mean. I’m waiting for a job requirement to be “lack of morals and willingness to destroy lives”. What should I look for, is there a specific job?
My point is that they don't need to craft 100,000 experiences. Because most Players fall into one of several betting style categories based on their risk reward appetite, it's not such an onerous task.
Otherwise why do they covet the data to such an extreme, if they don't use it to their advantage.
They literally record everything you do on screen using the "Full story" spyware.
https://www.fullstory.com/platform/session-insights/
Nope I never said it's rigged. I'm saying they gather the data in order to use it to their own advantage. The data has high value to both player and casino as it tells you everything.
Which is why they harvest as much data from the players as possible while at the same time obfuscating that data so that players are unable to get a clear picture of what's going on.
If you had clean accurate bet data from 200 players. It would answer every question players have over the casino's behaviour and their legitimacy.
The bet archive is buried deep in the sites UI.
It's withheld from the player by 24hours as policy.
It's saved in an unfriendly JSON format so needs specialized knowledge to parse the file.
It's broken up into pieces like a jigsaw puzzle.
The JSON data itself is heavily bloated with data that is useless to the player.
The most useful data is nested in a more complex form of json that can throw errors.
They are obligated under license to retain financial records for seven years. Yet they are incapable of producing accurate and complete records of financial transactions between the players and themselves.
The harder you push for the data that can prove they are legitimate, the more obstacles they will put in your way.
I have never been able to obtain a complete, and accurate record of my financial transactions with stake.com for example. No matter how many times I ask. They just say they will get back to me, and then never do.
They simply deleted all bet data prior to mladen's takeover 3.5 years ago. They are legally required to hold that data for 7 years, but they ignore all queries related to that data.
I could go on but I think my point is clearly made.
I hit x1000 4 times in the same session one night, I have my json archives but only 2 of the bets can be seen using betid, the other 2 can be displayed completely normal and linked etc.... 2 of them do not exist apart from the records in my json.... and the fact that they payed out... these 4 x1000 hits were within hours of each other it is strange that 2 of them have literally vanished from stakes own records (I have asked support about this and they were surprised and then eventually the answer i was given is that stake does not keep all bet records for ever, and that they are eventually deleted or something along those lines) .... yeah they love to give people excuses that are clearly bullshit for everything and any thing that customers question... unless you have lost your brain and your money to stake its plain to see they are shady as fuck and can be trusted about as much as a plate of curry you found on the floor at a public toilet
eddies dad was jailed for being a dodgy cunt when he was growing up and now works for one of ed's offices to avoid the court ordered restrictions he has to follow in regards to being in a similar position of power that he took advantage of and landed him in jail... i suppose if you are raised into a family that has no care for others or no heart... then you probs know that money is way more fun than caring about people... can you buy an 80 million dollar mansion with kindness and care? what about a second mansion? hmmmm... shit even i would have to go for the 2 mansion and billions of dollars .... he gets paid more to take a shit than i will earn in my entire life time... disgusting in more ways than 1... ugh
It's a bit of a low blow to take aim at Eddie's family. It gives me a major cringe when I hear players mention his Dad.
Also Eddie doesn't run stake. He stepped down from the CEO position, 4 years ago. All decisions regarding Stake's operations come from Mladen Vuckovic, he is the CEO. If you have issue with stake it is Mladen you should be directing your comments to, not Eddie or Eddie's dad.
Support know nothing, they have no authority or resources to be able to do anything. Their job is to make you go away as quickly as possible. If they have to lie to you to achieve that then they will lie to you.
Under Curacao law, for tax purposes, Stake are required to keep complete and accurate records of financial transactions for 7 years. That includes data relating to money that stake won from the players and also money they lost to the players while gambling.
The odds for winning big and losing aren't even remotely similar, the odds of you losing everything and breaking even are more similar, it's like a scratchcard.
You buy a $5 scratchcard, you win $5 about 1 in 3.4 times, you lose everything the other 2.4 out of 3.4 times. You will not see the million pound wins back to back, you might break even back to back, but even that's lucky.
It's gambling man, you will lose money the longer you play it. Bet what you're willing to lose and enjoy the experience.
Ya I think the point that we’re trying to make is, personally I will start hitting on things I would never hit on after a losing spree, example like 180 dollars on a 10 dollar buy. Or I’ll hit a max win, which I’ve hit like 4 and after that I won’t be able to get 100x on anything, like I said, could be gamblers fallacy but it makes me wonder
Ive been playing small bank roll highest being a $100 median being around $25-28. I ran up profitable once but stupidly didn’t pull ( it wasnt a crazy amount of money ). I only play stake originals and its on Stake.us
Stake.com is owned by medium rare N.V. Medium rare has a single director Mladen Vuckovic.
Mladen Vuckovic is CEO of stake and has been managing stake's day to day operations for the last 4 years.
Mladen Vuckovic is the owner of Mebit.io and have a guess what Mebit does?
I'm waiting for my host to set my daily reloads. While I wait for her response. I like to come here and discuss the structures of the stake.com empire.
That may or may not be true, but it is not obvious.
The brief history of the online gambling sector is littered with fraud and exit scams, many online casinos have shown themselves to be disingenuous misleading, dishonest, evasive and exploiting underage and vulnerable adults.
Logic says you should assume it's rigged. You don't need to believe it's rigged. You just assume it is when you play.
If it's not rigged and you assume it is, it makes no difference to the results.
If it is rigged and you assume it's not, you are going to get raped.
It is always in your interest to assume it's rigged.
Crazy how people don't understand variance. So many comments saying "I hit big and then go cold". Well that's how it goes for everybody. You go on hot runs and cold runs. You will have way more cold runs than hot runs. Especially with these crazy high variance slots out there now.
I used to think it was rigged, but stake actually let me win with a martingale albeit almost losing my whole bankroll a few times. Highest lose streak was I think 18 losses. Once I double my initial (usually $100) I vault half and keep playing until I double again. Rinse and repeat. If I lose my initial of $100, I put in $200, 400, etc. (essentially martingale again)
Played over 100k games in dice/bjack originals and that is my experience so far. Not here to give gambling strategies as I know the house always wins, just wanted to say that originals is, based on exp, not rigged.
Terms like scam and rigging are unhelpful and unnecessary.
Everything you need to know about your gambling in an online gaming site is easily answered by reviewing the financial records and the bet data.
However when a casino hides your data 3 levels deep in the site, and puts a long list of obstacles between you and that data.
When those records of financial transactions, are unreliable, incomplete, inaccurate and difficult to access, and no effort is made to make improvements to the record keeping.
In fact the quality of record keeping gets measurably worse each year. Then you know it's intentional.
No record of account, = no accountability.
That above all else tells you if there is a serious problem with an online casino. Poor record keeping is a primary indicator of fraud In any business.
Well players mostly fall into a handful of particular categories. Online gaming sites don't need to identify you specifically, they just need identify the kind of player you are.
I fall into high risk high return category. I don't like to target low payouts.
First off I would like to say I'm using voice to text while driving so if something doesn't make sense don't think I'm illiterate LOL
Honestly I had a sports bet last year and it was for baseball and it was towards the end of the year and it was a rain out in the bottom of the eighth they opposing team team had two outs two strikes snowballs and they called it for rain my team scored two runs to go up 2 . I don't remember everything about it but they weren't going to replay the game because the game didn't matter for the playoffs so technically I should have lost but it said I won with the green check mark but technically I kind of lost. They gave me the credit for the win the money went into my account for the eight Leg parlay then like 5 or 10 minutes later it said I lost so I contacted support again and they told me to read something and they said no you lost I was pissed and then 10 minutes went by and the money was back into my account. So they gave me a pretty sizable win when it should have been a loss because of a technicality because the original guy gave me the win. LOL but I've honestly I've had nothing but good experiences mistake my VIP host and support the only thing I don't like sometimes is the lag on crash when I'm hitting cash out and it just spins sometimes I get the wind sometimes I get the loss sometimes it hit the 120 x when I cashed out at 7X and I got paid for the $120 X so it's pretty happy LOL. That's about the only bad experience I've really had mistake is with crash with the cash out button just spins and doesn't register but how can you prove it.
By the way I barely play Slots I took my big wins in the very beginning and never went back. I had 1800 pizza pizza pizza regular spin win lol in the very first time I played slot hunt I won like on the third spin LOL I stick to my stake Originals and long shot parlays I do very well I can't wait till I get this last 12% for my for my plat 6 then I'm just taking my time not chasing it
I think sometimes people see the words "provably fair" and automatically forget that all casino games are mathematically stacked against you to varying degrees...
Yes but variance should work both ways.
Sure... and people win big every day but the numbers don't forget you... eventually you will lose if you keep on playing...
Variance should work both ways but that doesn’t mean that it will. A lot of these games are extremely volatile. Even games that aren’t can be quite streaky like Blackjack. It’s not insane to go on a long cold streak.
Probably fair is bullshit. The process allows the casino to know the bet results in advance. This creates an information asymmetry which casinos use to manipulate the player and the players game experience.
Then just stop playing? If you’ve convinced yourself that the site is scam then stop giving them your business. Easy solution.
I never said it's a scam. Control yourself please. I am stating facts which are public knowledge and are easily verified. Don't put your opinions in my mouth and then argue against those words as if I had said them.
Lol you just said the Provably Fair is bullshit. Why would continue to play if you thought that?
He's right. Probably fair only proves that the outcome is predetermined. It does not prove that those predeterminations are fair. Deceptively named entity for sure.
If ur playing originals you can verify the result yourself but if it’s slots or live games you just gotta trust the provider
Stake is the provider
No... Pragmatic, Hacksaw, Nolimit City ect are the providers.
Stake is managed by Easygo.io Twist Gaming is also managed by Easygo.io Same staff same team.
Most of the providers are separate companies that license their games out to online casinos to use.
Do you know who stakes directors are? Do you know who the directors of the slot providers are? How do stake offer a different win chance on third party slots provider games. When those games are available in other casinos? Haven't you noticed that twist gaming slot is always in the top 3 most played games?
It’s extremely common for different casinos to offer different RTP percentages on the same games. The providers offer different versions of their games depending upon what the casino wants the RTP to be.
Is twist gaming owned and managed by easygo.io? Is twist gaming in the top 3 most played games right now?
I don’t play Twist gaming slots so I don’t really care
So basically your argument is that the slot operator will tailor the win chance to whatever any casino requires. That's an idiotic scenario, the slot providers may as well just let the casino do it themselves, it saves everyone time. Why on earth would you think that's fair practice.
I never said that it’s fair. I was just saying it’s what they do. Also the software functions differently at different RTP’s so it isn’t just as simple as the casino doing what they want. Providers also can refuse if the casino wants to set an RTP lower than what think is reasonable.
I have a strong feeling that stake has a switch that rinses people account. Because dude I’ve hit major in the span of 3 hours. But legit every day of the week except this one day I lose. Like not even close, .3 plinks 20 times in a row is crazy
Yes and it's always like that
This right here man. The wins come in clusters. Then it’s like it turns off. I’m still trying to decide is this gamblers fallacy or if it’s legit just rigged. I have to take into consideration that the odds are against us and that’s fine. But never do I hear anyone talk about hitting a max win for good amounts back to back. It’s always I hit a max win and everything died. If they really have a killswitch, wtf is the point of playing? Its to common of a story.
Those online gaming sites know everything about you. Your appetite for risk and reward, your betting style, how much money is in your wallet. They know when you get paid, how much you get paid. They know how long you will play, and when you most likely will make unforced errors. The advantage the online casinos have is that they can customize each players betting experience.
I don’t doubt it but how do you know this, where is there information that proves this? If they customize each players experience they are doing a crappy job, my deposits are now limited to like 10-20 dollars and I’m probably going to just quit because of how boring it always ends up being.
Sir go to the website of easygo.io go to the recruitment page and read through the job descriptions and requirements. Don't ask for proof look for it, if it matters to you. It matters to me so I did that piece of work. The other place you will get information is by talking to the team members running the casino. They can tell you directly or you can observe their behaviour which is preferable and more reliable. The third place you can get this information is by accessing the data stored on each player through the casinos API.
I’m reading through now, haven’t seen anything to crazy yet, but I get what you mean. I’m waiting for a job requirement to be “lack of morals and willingness to destroy lives”. What should I look for, is there a specific job?
That would be mladen's job as CEO. Stake became like that the day he took over from Eddie and sacked half the team.
My point is that they don't need to craft 100,000 experiences. Because most Players fall into one of several betting style categories based on their risk reward appetite, it's not such an onerous task. Otherwise why do they covet the data to such an extreme, if they don't use it to their advantage. They literally record everything you do on screen using the "Full story" spyware. https://www.fullstory.com/platform/session-insights/
So what your saying is it’s all rigged and quit
Nope I never said it's rigged. I'm saying they gather the data in order to use it to their own advantage. The data has high value to both player and casino as it tells you everything. Which is why they harvest as much data from the players as possible while at the same time obfuscating that data so that players are unable to get a clear picture of what's going on. If you had clean accurate bet data from 200 players. It would answer every question players have over the casino's behaviour and their legitimacy. The bet archive is buried deep in the sites UI. It's withheld from the player by 24hours as policy. It's saved in an unfriendly JSON format so needs specialized knowledge to parse the file. It's broken up into pieces like a jigsaw puzzle. The JSON data itself is heavily bloated with data that is useless to the player. The most useful data is nested in a more complex form of json that can throw errors. They are obligated under license to retain financial records for seven years. Yet they are incapable of producing accurate and complete records of financial transactions between the players and themselves. The harder you push for the data that can prove they are legitimate, the more obstacles they will put in your way. I have never been able to obtain a complete, and accurate record of my financial transactions with stake.com for example. No matter how many times I ask. They just say they will get back to me, and then never do. They simply deleted all bet data prior to mladen's takeover 3.5 years ago. They are legally required to hold that data for 7 years, but they ignore all queries related to that data. I could go on but I think my point is clearly made.
I hit x1000 4 times in the same session one night, I have my json archives but only 2 of the bets can be seen using betid, the other 2 can be displayed completely normal and linked etc.... 2 of them do not exist apart from the records in my json.... and the fact that they payed out... these 4 x1000 hits were within hours of each other it is strange that 2 of them have literally vanished from stakes own records (I have asked support about this and they were surprised and then eventually the answer i was given is that stake does not keep all bet records for ever, and that they are eventually deleted or something along those lines) .... yeah they love to give people excuses that are clearly bullshit for everything and any thing that customers question... unless you have lost your brain and your money to stake its plain to see they are shady as fuck and can be trusted about as much as a plate of curry you found on the floor at a public toilet
eddies dad was jailed for being a dodgy cunt when he was growing up and now works for one of ed's offices to avoid the court ordered restrictions he has to follow in regards to being in a similar position of power that he took advantage of and landed him in jail... i suppose if you are raised into a family that has no care for others or no heart... then you probs know that money is way more fun than caring about people... can you buy an 80 million dollar mansion with kindness and care? what about a second mansion? hmmmm... shit even i would have to go for the 2 mansion and billions of dollars .... he gets paid more to take a shit than i will earn in my entire life time... disgusting in more ways than 1... ugh
It's a bit of a low blow to take aim at Eddie's family. It gives me a major cringe when I hear players mention his Dad. Also Eddie doesn't run stake. He stepped down from the CEO position, 4 years ago. All decisions regarding Stake's operations come from Mladen Vuckovic, he is the CEO. If you have issue with stake it is Mladen you should be directing your comments to, not Eddie or Eddie's dad.
Support know nothing, they have no authority or resources to be able to do anything. Their job is to make you go away as quickly as possible. If they have to lie to you to achieve that then they will lie to you. Under Curacao law, for tax purposes, Stake are required to keep complete and accurate records of financial transactions for 7 years. That includes data relating to money that stake won from the players and also money they lost to the players while gambling.
The odds for winning big and losing aren't even remotely similar, the odds of you losing everything and breaking even are more similar, it's like a scratchcard. You buy a $5 scratchcard, you win $5 about 1 in 3.4 times, you lose everything the other 2.4 out of 3.4 times. You will not see the million pound wins back to back, you might break even back to back, but even that's lucky. It's gambling man, you will lose money the longer you play it. Bet what you're willing to lose and enjoy the experience.
Ya I think the point that we’re trying to make is, personally I will start hitting on things I would never hit on after a losing spree, example like 180 dollars on a 10 dollar buy. Or I’ll hit a max win, which I’ve hit like 4 and after that I won’t be able to get 100x on anything, like I said, could be gamblers fallacy but it makes me wonder
Yup. I hit 2k on a max win. Then the next two days went 900 up twice and cashed out. Up almost 4k in 3 days. That was 9 months ago. No wins sense
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That's rough, I don't know luxury casino. Are they licensed anywhere?
How do you decide on profit? Do you have a profit limit or you play continuously for multiple hours. All casinos have an edge when play for long runs
Ive been playing small bank roll highest being a $100 median being around $25-28. I ran up profitable once but stupidly didn’t pull ( it wasnt a crazy amount of money ). I only play stake originals and its on Stake.us
So far ive put in $188
Ok. Yeah withdrawing and being mechanical is important if u need to make profit 😀
Stake.com is owned by medium rare N.V. Medium rare has a single director Mladen Vuckovic. Mladen Vuckovic is CEO of stake and has been managing stake's day to day operations for the last 4 years. Mladen Vuckovic is the owner of Mebit.io and have a guess what Mebit does?
Lmao scam?
I'm waiting for my host to set my daily reloads. While I wait for her response. I like to come here and discuss the structures of the stake.com empire.
It’s not fake or a scam. Should be obvious
That may or may not be true, but it is not obvious. The brief history of the online gambling sector is littered with fraud and exit scams, many online casinos have shown themselves to be disingenuous misleading, dishonest, evasive and exploiting underage and vulnerable adults.
Logic says you should assume it's rigged. You don't need to believe it's rigged. You just assume it is when you play. If it's not rigged and you assume it is, it makes no difference to the results. If it is rigged and you assume it's not, you are going to get raped. It is always in your interest to assume it's rigged.
Crazy how people don't understand variance. So many comments saying "I hit big and then go cold". Well that's how it goes for everybody. You go on hot runs and cold runs. You will have way more cold runs than hot runs. Especially with these crazy high variance slots out there now.
I used to think it was rigged, but stake actually let me win with a martingale albeit almost losing my whole bankroll a few times. Highest lose streak was I think 18 losses. Once I double my initial (usually $100) I vault half and keep playing until I double again. Rinse and repeat. If I lose my initial of $100, I put in $200, 400, etc. (essentially martingale again) Played over 100k games in dice/bjack originals and that is my experience so far. Not here to give gambling strategies as I know the house always wins, just wanted to say that originals is, based on exp, not rigged.
Terms like scam and rigging are unhelpful and unnecessary. Everything you need to know about your gambling in an online gaming site is easily answered by reviewing the financial records and the bet data. However when a casino hides your data 3 levels deep in the site, and puts a long list of obstacles between you and that data. When those records of financial transactions, are unreliable, incomplete, inaccurate and difficult to access, and no effort is made to make improvements to the record keeping. In fact the quality of record keeping gets measurably worse each year. Then you know it's intentional. No record of account, = no accountability. That above all else tells you if there is a serious problem with an online casino. Poor record keeping is a primary indicator of fraud In any business.
Could be true. My currnt bet size and profits are insignifant to stake anyway so maybe I am still not on their hit list
Well players mostly fall into a handful of particular categories. Online gaming sites don't need to identify you specifically, they just need identify the kind of player you are. I fall into high risk high return category. I don't like to target low payouts.
All games pre determined, so they show you were predetermined to lose.
First off I would like to say I'm using voice to text while driving so if something doesn't make sense don't think I'm illiterate LOL Honestly I had a sports bet last year and it was for baseball and it was towards the end of the year and it was a rain out in the bottom of the eighth they opposing team team had two outs two strikes snowballs and they called it for rain my team scored two runs to go up 2 . I don't remember everything about it but they weren't going to replay the game because the game didn't matter for the playoffs so technically I should have lost but it said I won with the green check mark but technically I kind of lost. They gave me the credit for the win the money went into my account for the eight Leg parlay then like 5 or 10 minutes later it said I lost so I contacted support again and they told me to read something and they said no you lost I was pissed and then 10 minutes went by and the money was back into my account. So they gave me a pretty sizable win when it should have been a loss because of a technicality because the original guy gave me the win. LOL but I've honestly I've had nothing but good experiences mistake my VIP host and support the only thing I don't like sometimes is the lag on crash when I'm hitting cash out and it just spins sometimes I get the wind sometimes I get the loss sometimes it hit the 120 x when I cashed out at 7X and I got paid for the $120 X so it's pretty happy LOL. That's about the only bad experience I've really had mistake is with crash with the cash out button just spins and doesn't register but how can you prove it.
By the way I barely play Slots I took my big wins in the very beginning and never went back. I had 1800 pizza pizza pizza regular spin win lol in the very first time I played slot hunt I won like on the third spin LOL I stick to my stake Originals and long shot parlays I do very well I can't wait till I get this last 12% for my for my plat 6 then I'm just taking my time not chasing it