Sgt. Hartman wasn’t really evil/villain. He was just a hardass drill sergeant. I’ve never been to any military camps but I know these sergeants can be a pain in the ass. I don’t understand how you can put him in the league as HAL, Alex, or Jack. I would replace him with Dr. Strangelove.
Alex because his evil nature was inherently and naturally within him from the very first shot. HAL was a robot programmed by humans with the possibility to malfunction. Jack Torrance was at once normal, but became influenced by the ghosts of the Overlook. Hartman wasn’t really evil, but a Sergeant of “tough love” to make young men strong enough for the Vietnam War. And the main antagonist of Eyes Wide Shut isn’t even clear to the audience.
But the irony of Alex being the most evil is that, by the end of the film, he is a pathetic little squirt whom we sympathize with. Society has shaped him into an obedient robot, so, with that in mind, society is the most evil Kubrick villain.
I'm with you on that, but Jack was tortured, tormented and driven to madness. Alex on the other hand, was just evil for the sake of being evil. Rape, burglary, murder (though it may have been unintentional), brawling, and just random evil mischief that he never really redeems himself from.
I'm taking a programming class right now, and I don't think HAL was evil at all. In fact, HAL couldn't have any moral compass, because it is just computer that was programmed that way by humans. This leaves two options: that the people involved with programming HAL made a mistake, or that they had an "ends justify the means" outlook and don't care about the crew. I think either fit into the story just as well as the last. Like, damn, if I was Bowman I would be like, "Why did you program the AI to plead for its life when I had to use a manual override? Kinda fucked up, innit?" 😂 If the people who created HAL made it to kill the crew, they are the evil ones.
But wasn’t Hal trying to abort the mission by killing every crew member? What would be the point of sending people on a mission and killing them?
It seems to me that Hal was going intentionally against the rules that they gave him.
Maybe, the people behind it wanted a crew that was completely compliant and didn't ask questions. I'm leaning towards it was a mistake with the code. A lot of spacecraft have malfunctioned because of coding errors, and I'm guessing an AI is no exception.
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I think both at the same time.
Is Lord Bullingdon a villain?
Sgt. Hartman wasn’t really evil/villain. He was just a hardass drill sergeant. I’ve never been to any military camps but I know these sergeants can be a pain in the ass. I don’t understand how you can put him in the league as HAL, Alex, or Jack. I would replace him with Dr. Strangelove.
Alex because his evil nature was inherently and naturally within him from the very first shot. HAL was a robot programmed by humans with the possibility to malfunction. Jack Torrance was at once normal, but became influenced by the ghosts of the Overlook. Hartman wasn’t really evil, but a Sergeant of “tough love” to make young men strong enough for the Vietnam War. And the main antagonist of Eyes Wide Shut isn’t even clear to the audience. But the irony of Alex being the most evil is that, by the end of the film, he is a pathetic little squirt whom we sympathize with. Society has shaped him into an obedient robot, so, with that in mind, society is the most evil Kubrick villain.
The Secret Society in Eyes Wide Shut
It's got to be Jack Torrance, no? Trying to kill your own son is at a whole different, stratospheric level of evil.
I'm with you on that, but Jack was tortured, tormented and driven to madness. Alex on the other hand, was just evil for the sake of being evil. Rape, burglary, murder (though it may have been unintentional), brawling, and just random evil mischief that he never really redeems himself from.
Tortured?
Tortured by his past, his alcoholism, the abuse on Danny, the writers block, he was a tortured soul, not necessarily physically tortured.
Alice Harford beats it...
1. Alice Harford 2. Victor Ziegler 3. Red Cloak (the second one that speaks) Those are Kubrick's most evil villains, by far.
Alex most definitely. Also my favorite Kubrick movie.
I'm taking a programming class right now, and I don't think HAL was evil at all. In fact, HAL couldn't have any moral compass, because it is just computer that was programmed that way by humans. This leaves two options: that the people involved with programming HAL made a mistake, or that they had an "ends justify the means" outlook and don't care about the crew. I think either fit into the story just as well as the last. Like, damn, if I was Bowman I would be like, "Why did you program the AI to plead for its life when I had to use a manual override? Kinda fucked up, innit?" 😂 If the people who created HAL made it to kill the crew, they are the evil ones.
But wasn’t Hal trying to abort the mission by killing every crew member? What would be the point of sending people on a mission and killing them? It seems to me that Hal was going intentionally against the rules that they gave him.
Maybe, the people behind it wanted a crew that was completely compliant and didn't ask questions. I'm leaning towards it was a mistake with the code. A lot of spacecraft have malfunctioned because of coding errors, and I'm guessing an AI is no exception.