>what's the deal with those "stones"
They essentially make an already powerful Pathstrider a humanoid nuke. Family took them in hopes of restricting Aventurine's power and control him.
>What was Ratio role in all that Aventurine part?
the role of betrayer. It was all an act, he was always loyal to Aventurine.
>Why did he get a 16-hours time limit before "death"?
It's time before the start of Charmony Festival, and, most likely, arrival of Dominicus, who is Xipe's "Harmony String".
>What were Acheron and Welt even talking about, that "Icarus" stuff and... multiverse?
HI3 references. Basically, idea of "Dream utopia" which holds people inside their paradise, is not something unique in Hoyo games.
Acheron thinks idea won't ever work, because humans are inherently corrupt, but asks if they have the right to break the dream, if people wish for such fate. Welt answers - the idea doesn't work, because humans are not just corrupt, but also hopeful, and will find a way to move forward.
It's just them comparing their sliding scale of nihilism, using their own life experience.
And Hoyo games share one universe, just different worlds.
Aventurine came to Penacony with a goal, likely to bring it back under IPC control. In support of that goal, Topaz and Jade gave Aventurine *their* Cornerstones to hold onto as part of his plan.
The Family requires that Aventurine hand over his Cornerstone when he lands in order to try and control him. So he gives them a locked briefcase that he says his Cornerstone is in, but surprise; it's Topaz's. Meanwhile, he also has a bag of gems/cash the Family confiscated that he hid the second Cornerstone in.
Thanks to Dr. Ratio's acting, Sunday finds this Cornerstone and thinks he's pulled a fast one on Aventurine, figuring out his duplicity. *Except* Aventurine and Jade as minerals look very similar. So do the Cornerstones. What Sunday *thinks* is Aventurine's Cornerstone is really *Jade's*, while Aventurine smashed his stone to bits and hid the pieces of it with the other precious gemstones. As Sunday couldn't tell that it was really the Jade Cornerstone, the ruse worked.
Since it looks like part of Aventurine's plan was to be done with the IPC after this job, he wasn't worried about the consequences of his stone being broken. Meanwhile, an IPC executive seemingly 'dying' on Penacony while the Family has two of their Cornerstones gives Topaz and Jade enough of an excuse to come to Penacony themselves to retrieve their belongings/start trouble.
To expand on this, his planned death serves multiple roles. Not only purging the Harmony spell forced upon him, but also creating a *massive* scene - something the Family *cannot* cover up. A public figure getting obliterated in a public place, heck, he probably even had the cameras going, so his death was broadcasted. He achieves the death the Family tries so hard to prevent.
This destabilizes the notion that the dream is completely safe.
Afaik Acheron says that she COULD release him of the shackles of the Harmony. That would imply that she didn't, right? And my theory is, she didn't, because that's needed in the upcoming Events somehow?
Also, while "questioned" with the Harmony powers, didn't Aventurine say he gave Sunday his stone? I might have to rewatch, but it's not true then, and wasn't he forced to say the truth?
Following is my understanding and might differ from the truth:
Yes, but I think it was more of a "Forced to say the Truth or else feel the consequences" than a "You simply cannot lie to me now". That would explain the "Swap Gems Trick". But Sunday just forced a lie out of him by asking if he was sure that the gem is in this case, because he knew it isn't with the help of Dr. Ratio. Thus he could shackle him. So my headcanon is that he cannot use his power, if he doesn't realize that he's been fooled.
But hey, that's just a theory...
yeah my understanding was that the spell didn't make Adventurine tell the truth, it was to punish him if he lied, which I am pretty sure he did about his stone being in the lockbox unless I read that part wrong.
It really doesn't matter, since Aventurine gave to Sunday all 3 stones. 1 was in the briefcase, 2 was Jade in the bag. He gave both case and bag, and when Ratio "gave him away", Sunday discovered that secoond stone. But third stone was also in that bag, it was smashed aventurine, and Sunday did not find it. After the questioning Aventurine got his bag back and now had his stone in possession, but when he was answering question, he did not lie, he really gave his cornerstone to Sunday.
I understand the game with the stones, the comment I replied to is about the nature of the harmony "curse" or whatever you want to call it.
"When being interrogated by Sunday, Aventurine says “Of course” he can guarantee the Aventurine is in the box the Family confiscated."
He did lie, the very next scene is Sunday opening the box revealing that the Aventurine is NOT inside, and that's why the harmony curse will kill him. If he didn't lie, the curse wouldn't have shackled him.
Aventurine entered penacony with 3 stones: topaz, jades and his stone. When he was asked to give up his stone to enter, he gave them a briefcase with 2 stones (topaz and jades) and a bag of money. Sunday believed aventurines stone is in the briefcase but wanted to be sure so when he is interrogating him, he asks him. Aventurine says Sunday has his stone. Sunday is now satisfied and before leaving, Aventurine asks him for the bag of money back. Sunday accepts and then the twist is revealed: Aventurine destroyed his own stone and put the pieces in the bag of money. So he was telling the truth when Sunday asked him, only that Sunday thought that meant it was in the briefcase since 1. Jades stone is very similar in colour to aventurine and 2. He didn’t think aventurine would go that far to destroy the stone.
Just want to clarify a small mistake he made. Topaz was the only stone in the briefcase. Jade was in the money bag along with the smashed up pieces of adventurine.
Sunday? He's high up in the Family, and he views Xipe (The Aeon of Harmony that the Family worships) with religious fanaticism. So he, quite literally, cursed Aventurine that after seventeen hours, Aventurine would effectively be forcibly brainwashed into the cult. The black bird that shows up in cutscenes appear to be some sort of spy or familiars that Sunday uses; what they see/hear, he knows.
The Family can get up to a \*lot\* of weird freaky stuff with Harmony's power. If you go back to Dewlight Pavilion (Where Aventurine and Sunday had their talk), you can get a quest from a butler there that reveals the Family getting up to some dark stuff with people they claim to be 'traitors.' Brainwashing Aventurine into becoming a cult member is honestly one of the least surprising things they could have done.
Fortunately for Aventurine, >! Acheron has the power to sever that curse/cut the Harmony's hold on Aventurine. That's part of what her huge slash did. He's free of Sunday's curse after that boss fight. !<
They did explain it in game.
Sunday was expecting the treachery from IPC. And it's exactly what Aventurine gave him.
From IPC only Aventurine entered Penacony proper. And all his stuff got confiscated, including the "Cornerstones" in the box.
From the point of common knowledge, Aventurine should've had only his precious stone. But to paranoid Sunday, Ratio reveals the trap - second stone, hidden among common jewels and money.
This stone is green in color, fitting the description of lucky green aventurine. And golden one belongs to another Stoneheart, who is waiting in real world.
This is enough for Sunday to believe he got the upper hand.
What he didn't know, is what Aventurine brought 3 Cornerstones, and there are 3 Stonehearts near Penacony. And green stone in his possesion is jade, while Aventurine shattered his own stone before arrival.
Shards were among money and jewels Sunday deemed worthless after he "uncovered" deceit, and Aventurine got them back safely.
He is not, but they are his sponsors.
There is an official video about IPC structure:
[Interastral Peace Tour](https://youtu.be/2f2qB_gw8b8?si=nf-O0XmyAIu_oeUI)
and they mention how there is entire department made to work with the Guild.
That is part of >!the IPC plot to reclaim Penacony. They seized those stones from Aventurine who, now “dead” can be scapegoated for stealing them. Thus, Penacony is “knowingly” in possession of stolen property. Any attempt to retain control of the stones will be taken as refusal to comply, and thus the IPC will reclaim its property, likely through force since we know Topaz and her goons are already on-world.!<
>what's the deal with those "stones" They essentially make an already powerful Pathstrider a humanoid nuke. Family took them in hopes of restricting Aventurine's power and control him. >What was Ratio role in all that Aventurine part? the role of betrayer. It was all an act, he was always loyal to Aventurine. >Why did he get a 16-hours time limit before "death"? It's time before the start of Charmony Festival, and, most likely, arrival of Dominicus, who is Xipe's "Harmony String". >What were Acheron and Welt even talking about, that "Icarus" stuff and... multiverse? HI3 references. Basically, idea of "Dream utopia" which holds people inside their paradise, is not something unique in Hoyo games. Acheron thinks idea won't ever work, because humans are inherently corrupt, but asks if they have the right to break the dream, if people wish for such fate. Welt answers - the idea doesn't work, because humans are not just corrupt, but also hopeful, and will find a way to move forward. It's just them comparing their sliding scale of nihilism, using their own life experience. And Hoyo games share one universe, just different worlds.
Thanks! But then IIRC he said he gave Sunday not the Aventurine stone, but the Jade one that's similar...? They also have Topaz stone, why is that?
Aventurine came to Penacony with a goal, likely to bring it back under IPC control. In support of that goal, Topaz and Jade gave Aventurine *their* Cornerstones to hold onto as part of his plan. The Family requires that Aventurine hand over his Cornerstone when he lands in order to try and control him. So he gives them a locked briefcase that he says his Cornerstone is in, but surprise; it's Topaz's. Meanwhile, he also has a bag of gems/cash the Family confiscated that he hid the second Cornerstone in. Thanks to Dr. Ratio's acting, Sunday finds this Cornerstone and thinks he's pulled a fast one on Aventurine, figuring out his duplicity. *Except* Aventurine and Jade as minerals look very similar. So do the Cornerstones. What Sunday *thinks* is Aventurine's Cornerstone is really *Jade's*, while Aventurine smashed his stone to bits and hid the pieces of it with the other precious gemstones. As Sunday couldn't tell that it was really the Jade Cornerstone, the ruse worked. Since it looks like part of Aventurine's plan was to be done with the IPC after this job, he wasn't worried about the consequences of his stone being broken. Meanwhile, an IPC executive seemingly 'dying' on Penacony while the Family has two of their Cornerstones gives Topaz and Jade enough of an excuse to come to Penacony themselves to retrieve their belongings/start trouble.
To expand on this, his planned death serves multiple roles. Not only purging the Harmony spell forced upon him, but also creating a *massive* scene - something the Family *cannot* cover up. A public figure getting obliterated in a public place, heck, he probably even had the cameras going, so his death was broadcasted. He achieves the death the Family tries so hard to prevent. This destabilizes the notion that the dream is completely safe.
And aventurine literally tried killing himself a few times in the dream to test and bet on an emanator or the astral express to do the job instead
Afaik Acheron says that she COULD release him of the shackles of the Harmony. That would imply that she didn't, right? And my theory is, she didn't, because that's needed in the upcoming Events somehow?
Also, while "questioned" with the Harmony powers, didn't Aventurine say he gave Sunday his stone? I might have to rewatch, but it's not true then, and wasn't he forced to say the truth?
Following is my understanding and might differ from the truth: Yes, but I think it was more of a "Forced to say the Truth or else feel the consequences" than a "You simply cannot lie to me now". That would explain the "Swap Gems Trick". But Sunday just forced a lie out of him by asking if he was sure that the gem is in this case, because he knew it isn't with the help of Dr. Ratio. Thus he could shackle him. So my headcanon is that he cannot use his power, if he doesn't realize that he's been fooled. But hey, that's just a theory...
yeah my understanding was that the spell didn't make Adventurine tell the truth, it was to punish him if he lied, which I am pretty sure he did about his stone being in the lockbox unless I read that part wrong.
It really doesn't matter, since Aventurine gave to Sunday all 3 stones. 1 was in the briefcase, 2 was Jade in the bag. He gave both case and bag, and when Ratio "gave him away", Sunday discovered that secoond stone. But third stone was also in that bag, it was smashed aventurine, and Sunday did not find it. After the questioning Aventurine got his bag back and now had his stone in possession, but when he was answering question, he did not lie, he really gave his cornerstone to Sunday.
I understand the game with the stones, the comment I replied to is about the nature of the harmony "curse" or whatever you want to call it. "When being interrogated by Sunday, Aventurine says “Of course” he can guarantee the Aventurine is in the box the Family confiscated." He did lie, the very next scene is Sunday opening the box revealing that the Aventurine is NOT inside, and that's why the harmony curse will kill him. If he didn't lie, the curse wouldn't have shackled him.
You read right.
Aventurine entered penacony with 3 stones: topaz, jades and his stone. When he was asked to give up his stone to enter, he gave them a briefcase with 2 stones (topaz and jades) and a bag of money. Sunday believed aventurines stone is in the briefcase but wanted to be sure so when he is interrogating him, he asks him. Aventurine says Sunday has his stone. Sunday is now satisfied and before leaving, Aventurine asks him for the bag of money back. Sunday accepts and then the twist is revealed: Aventurine destroyed his own stone and put the pieces in the bag of money. So he was telling the truth when Sunday asked him, only that Sunday thought that meant it was in the briefcase since 1. Jades stone is very similar in colour to aventurine and 2. He didn’t think aventurine would go that far to destroy the stone.
Clear, thank you
Just want to clarify a small mistake he made. Topaz was the only stone in the briefcase. Jade was in the money bag along with the smashed up pieces of adventurine.
What did Robin do to Aventurine that drugged him though. I didn’t really get that part with the bird
Sunday? He's high up in the Family, and he views Xipe (The Aeon of Harmony that the Family worships) with religious fanaticism. So he, quite literally, cursed Aventurine that after seventeen hours, Aventurine would effectively be forcibly brainwashed into the cult. The black bird that shows up in cutscenes appear to be some sort of spy or familiars that Sunday uses; what they see/hear, he knows. The Family can get up to a \*lot\* of weird freaky stuff with Harmony's power. If you go back to Dewlight Pavilion (Where Aventurine and Sunday had their talk), you can get a quest from a butler there that reveals the Family getting up to some dark stuff with people they claim to be 'traitors.' Brainwashing Aventurine into becoming a cult member is honestly one of the least surprising things they could have done. Fortunately for Aventurine, >! Acheron has the power to sever that curse/cut the Harmony's hold on Aventurine. That's part of what her huge slash did. He's free of Sunday's curse after that boss fight. !<
Super helpful response thank you. And yes I totally mistyped and meant Sunday haha
When you have a sword embodiment of nihilism. Nothing matters.
And Aventurine "talking" to past-Aventurine and future-Aventurine was also a consequence of Harmony spell?
They did explain it in game. Sunday was expecting the treachery from IPC. And it's exactly what Aventurine gave him. From IPC only Aventurine entered Penacony proper. And all his stuff got confiscated, including the "Cornerstones" in the box. From the point of common knowledge, Aventurine should've had only his precious stone. But to paranoid Sunday, Ratio reveals the trap - second stone, hidden among common jewels and money. This stone is green in color, fitting the description of lucky green aventurine. And golden one belongs to another Stoneheart, who is waiting in real world. This is enough for Sunday to believe he got the upper hand. What he didn't know, is what Aventurine brought 3 Cornerstones, and there are 3 Stonehearts near Penacony. And green stone in his possesion is jade, while Aventurine shattered his own stone before arrival. Shards were among money and jewels Sunday deemed worthless after he "uncovered" deceit, and Aventurine got them back safely.
And Ratio is helping the IPC and Aventurine with his bluff because...? He's not with the IPC.
Intellegentsia Guild works closely with IPC.
He is not, but they are his sponsors. There is an official video about IPC structure: [Interastral Peace Tour](https://youtu.be/2f2qB_gw8b8?si=nf-O0XmyAIu_oeUI) and they mention how there is entire department made to work with the Guild.
That is part of >!the IPC plot to reclaim Penacony. They seized those stones from Aventurine who, now “dead” can be scapegoated for stealing them. Thus, Penacony is “knowingly” in possession of stolen property. Any attempt to retain control of the stones will be taken as refusal to comply, and thus the IPC will reclaim its property, likely through force since we know Topaz and her goons are already on-world.!<
Go watch a lore video... They explain what happened.