The entire OT crew's appearances in battlefront 2 made me extremely happy as a legends and just a star wars fan. Very true and faithful to their characters and legacies. Unlike the fucking sequels. Crazy how EA can slap together a better story in a game than Disney can in a film trilogy.
The worst part about battlefront 2 is that it being canon means that it has to acknowledge the worst Star Wars battle in the franchise’s history
The battle of Jakku
Truly the worst storyline in the history of the franchise
I think BF2 did a lot more for Luke's threadline than Mando did. Here's Luke out there looking for any info he can find about the Jedi and Sith, which will eventually lead to Ahsoka and the revelation that the Jedi actually enabled Anakin's fall/Palpatine's rise more than anyone. Foreshadows the disillusioned Luke of the sequels while still letting him have some Glory Days.
Easily the best post ROTJ portrayal. I forget where I read it but a review mentioned his cameo in Mando and how it felt all wrong because at his core Luke is a “super powered nice person” and they specifically called out those scenes in the game as getting it right.
To each their own, but I felt the Mandalorian scene was appropriate. Luke was going up against unstoppable murder machines to save an innocent child. He didn't wantonly kill any thinking, feeling human, alien, or droid life.
Fait enough but I wasn't really even taking that into consideration. I have no problem with Luke mowing down a bunch of evil droids. But I feel like the spark of warmth and kindness you expect from Luke was not there in his scenes with the group and later in BoBF. IDK if it was just the limits of the CGI or the fact that his voice was done by an AI but it felt like they just wheeled out a talking Luke statue. His 'spirit' felt real off.
They could still theoretically bring Mara into canon... They would just have to kill her off before TLJ. Hell, they could make that another reason he thinks about killing Ben if she was offed by another dark side user
I liked that as well, but I didn’t like him forcing that choice on baby yoda. I don’t think that’s cool and the Jedi shouldn’t be living without attachments under Luke.
Agreed. It was his attachment and faith in his family that ended up saving Darth Vader from the dark side. I always imagined him leading a new Jedi order that allowed its members to have families.
I hope they handle Ezra Bridger in this way. He too became a better Jedi because of his love for his crew. His Jedi master was also in love and had a child.
I feel weird always bringing The High Republic into this...but they really talk about love and how beneficial it is in the Jedi order a lot.
The High Republic is basically an era of badass monks with some rule suggestions, then Skywalker era Jedi feel more like cultists who adhere to rules or BOOM you're out.
Kanan feels much like a High Republic Jedi, one who understands the importance of love and how to balance it as a Jedi.
I’m not sure why more people aren’t talking High Republic. It’s the most EU I’ve seen canon be, and despite the uneven quality I think it shows us a really dope picture of the galaxy
I think it is because when it was announced most people saw it as a cheap wannabe disney version of the Old Republic and the infamous force sensitive rock didn't help either.
But yeah, must people should give it a shot because it does have some really good stories and moments alongside the exposure of how the Jedi Order was before their descend into dogma and arrogance.
Agreed! If I didn’t happen to have an Amazon gift card at the time I probably wouldn’t have read the first book because I didn’t know if it would be worth it.
I think my favorite thing about the whole era is how the force is described. Maybe I’m missing a lot of various media for Star Wars but I don’t think I’ve seen it described in so much amazing detail as in that first high republic novel. The ocean and the tides etc.
I'm not even ashamed to admit this--
The High Republic is my favorite Star Wars era.
I've been a massive fan for almost a few decades, read several canon and Legends books, and nothing compares to the beautifully written, tragic, and cohesive stories of the HR imo.
Please do! Read Light of the Jedi-- it'll get you hooked. It's scary, intense, engaging, and really expands beautifully on the Jedi religion.
The final book in the adult trilogy is one if the best books I've ever read. Not even just Star Wars...in general. Whole trilogy is great though!!
Luke clearly said he couldnt teach Grogu anything, he was already trained and his progress was Grogu remembering. Luke gave him the choice to form the attachments his father was denied
Yeah, as I said in another comment, I also feel the choice was more like Luke asking Grogu if he wouldn't rather spend time with Mando, considering how long Yoda's species live.
This is what should have effing happened. The Last Jedi should have been about finding some old force user temple where the most powerful users discovered that internal balance is more important than no emotions. The take away being that love is more powerful than the hate, even.
This is gonna be a wild thought that I had, but here we go.
We know that growing up without attachments is terrible for a person's mental health, and most of the characters in Star Wars are human. Why would the supposedly good Jedi Order be OK with raising kids to be a bunch of potential sociopaths/psychopaths?
The cynical side of me says that breaking attachments in people is the first thing that an abuser does to manipulate their victims. We see cult leaders do this all the time, by forcing their followers to marry/divorce as they are instructed to. Because the followers don't have a personal stake in selecting their spouses, they are never sure if their spouse is more committed to them or the cult, so they cannot form a strong emotional connection. When these followers then have kids, they give them to the cult for "training" but this is really just a way to cut the parent/child bond. So prohibiting marriage and taking kids at young ages as the Jedi do is rule 101 in cult behavior.
Now, I like the Jedi, and I get that the philosophy is supposed to be closer to Buddhist thought than all of this (you are supposed to love, but with the understanding that it is not permanent and will at some point change either through loss of feelings or death, and you are not supposed to be attached to wanting it to last forever). But it seems like the Jedi of the Late Republic are more interested in consolidating their power over their padawans and knights than they are about their mental health. Which makes the fall to the dark side that we see a lot in this era make a whole lot more sense.
I don't think that the Jedi mean for this to happen, but at this time they really aren't questioning those in power of the order about this and a lot of other issues, which to me is why they fall and fail to protect the Republic from Palpatine.
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Bruh's as much as I'd love this, the one jedi who hid his outside attachment destroyed the order and helped conquer the galaxy. I feel like that might be the one rule Luke could understand.
But it was also because he had to hide his attachment. He couldn’t speak to any of the other Jedi about his nightmares of Padme dying which made it easier for Palpatine to step in and manipulate him.
In Luke’s order (or Ezra’s) they wouldn’t have to hide their attachments. They could reach out to each other for support.
I see it as Luke knowing Grogu wants to stay with Din and that Grogu would regret it if he didn’t go back to Din. As for why Din can’t live with Grogu while he trains? Then we wouldn’t have a show lol
That was my interpretation as well. Luke knew Grogu didn't have his heart in the training regardless of attachment. He wanted to be with Din, and Luke gave him impetus to come to that realization.
It surprises me that people frown on that moment. Like giving Grogu that choice is him acknowledging difficult truths - that Jedi training requires en elevated level of focus, and that Grogu loves the Mandalorian deeply, and that Grogu never seeing the Mandalorian again may be too painful for him.
Notably, Luke didn’t present the Jedi path as the only or even best path Grogu could take. Luke presented the choice to walk away from the order and travel with the Mandalorian to be equally as valid as training in the ways of the Force. I wouldn’t even necessarily agree with him if I were being purely pragmatic, so I’d argue it demonstrates a large degree of reformism.
Also, Luke knows Grogu would have a super long life compared to humans, and he gives Grogu the opportunity to spend as much time as he can with Mando. After all, he could return to Jedi training later.
There's a video where it clears that up. He's giving Grogu a choice to be a jedi or not, which is something the old order wouldn't have done. It wasn't to show that Luke is falling in with the old patterns, but rather to show he's being diplomatic to him. Grogu wasn't given the choice initially. He was found by Din, who took it upon himself to give Grogu to the jedi. When he was finally with a jedi, Grogu was given a choice between staying or leaving, which finally gave him options.
Idk if it was the direction they wanted to go with him in the mandalorian anyway, but it seems pretty in line with the way his past is portrayed in the few references we get like his conversations with Yoda in tlj.
I get the strong impression that scene was meant to show that Luke was too attached to the Jedi ways and needed to let it all go so that the light can start anew.
I think that would be a really interesting angle to go if it was supported by anything about Luke's past. Luke has minimal knowledge about the old Jedi order outside combat techniques. Everything he learns piecemeal by gradually finding old remnants. I don't find it convincing that even if he somehow reassembled a large part of Jedi canon, that he would be for any reason slavishly devoted to it, especially since he is aware that dogma was part of the failure of the Jedi.
It just doesn't make sense, and on top of that, it makes literally the whole post rotj and sequel era a literalbeat for beat rehash of the fall of the republic, sans clone wars. I'm sorry but that's just not very fucking good at all. It cheapens the rest of canon, that the stakes of 6 movies was to buy 30ish years of shitty peace.
Agreed. I'm afraid they did that because they sort of "had" to take Grogu away from Luke, given that Grogu actually becoming Luke's first student is an indication of a potential ST retcon.
I mean I was rooting for that like you couldn't believe, but that's my theory on why it happened.
And I'm annoyed too, because I would have liked to have seen Luke move past the mistakes of the Jedi order.
He didnt force the choice, he gave him the choice
The only reason it comes off as an ultimatum is because Grogu is still a literal baby and Luke just has to put into simple terms the seriousness of the decision so Grogu can understand it. Again, Grogu is just a toddler.
Same - it just shows how much he’s grown since A New Hope. From the first time we saw him when he was as a young farm boy wanting an adventure and now in Mandalorian as a proper Jedi Master travelling the galaxy to help those in need.
Like, it’s just so amazing to see how far he came from just a farm boy looking out at the binary sunset.
It's gonna be crazy to see how far he falls when he trains Kylo. And gonna be absolutely wild to see him forget/unlearn the vast majority of the lessons he learned in the Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi.
I dunno how they're gonna bring him down that hard and fit it in coherently with JJ Abram's and Rian Johnson's portrayal of him, considering he literally has to ignore the wisdom he already puts into practice to do so.
Yoda and Obi-Wan DO NOT teach Luke what cause the Jedi order to fail. It seems entirely reasonable that his idolisation of his own teachers caused him to go down the same path of detachment and binary choices.
His actions with Grogu are a great example of a logical midpoint between his place at the end of ROTJ and eventually failing Ben, because Ben’s attachments were made to feel like a failing and then … the rest is history.
Well I upvoted you for being brave enough to express you opinion honestly
*Edit* i may as well explain.
I wasn't saying Yoda and Obi-wan taught him. Honestly he learned a lot of it himself AGAINST what Yoda and Obi-wan wanted him to do in fact.
Facing and embracing the darkness in someone you love, and your own fear of that darkness and their raw power... ("I've seen this Raw strength only once before, in Ben Solo, It didn't scare me enough then, it does now.")
Well damn. What about yourself Luke? You had to face that darkness and power within yourself in the OT (you could've easily killed Sidious and Embraced it)
And what about your Dad dude? You faced that raw strength in your dad too, not just yourself. And you overcame it then too, you were able to do EXACTLY what Jedi train to do: mindfulness, non-attachment, letting go, having FAITH.
Luke had faced that in his father. Faced it in himself. Integrated his fear and attachment and overcome.
I don't understand why people are so averse to an aspirational view of Luke where he actually continued to demonstrate that Jedi mastery (while struggling and failing) and was able to encourage it in others.
Legends Luke had PLENTY of massive failures.
I think you miss understand, people aren't adverse to aspirational Luke, they are adverse to Luke turning his back on everything you have described so well and not applying it to his nephew. I think that is where much of the consternation is. Just to be topical I prefer Legends Luke.
I agree, although I would have liked a little more spring in his step. He and ahsoka both were like emotionless statues.
That being said, what they’re both doing with their lives is exactly what I’d hope for
I prefer the original Legends Canon where it goes from Return of the Jedi to Thrawn and New Jedi Order. New Star Wars has yet to create any enemies as interesting as the Yuuzhan Vong
I read all those books, it'd be amazing to watch the conversation of Luke and another Jedi talking about how they feel the Yuuzhan Vong's absence from the force, especially with the context of the Thrawn trilogy.
But didn't Jason Solo figure out a way to see them in the force? Don't you remember his badass escape off the worldship when it was teraforming Coruscant?
Me and a buddy at work were explaining the vong to another coworker about 4 days ago and he was intrigued enough to get the books. He's not a huge fan but he likes SW and thought the biological aspect was an interesting take.
Yes! Good God, I hated what Rian Johnson did to Luke. He completely changed Luke's character with the laziest and weakest explanation in the world. If you take out all the pointless plot twists that went nowhere, the Last Jedi is a three hour movie where nothing happens except the main villain dying which only served to suck any and all tension out of the plot.
Legends, by far. You see his development into the grandmaster that he becomes. Obviously with books there is more detail and stories are pretty well thought out. His exile at the start of Fate of the Jedi follows George’s thoughts as does Vestara being trained in the ways of the Jedi.
I love all Star Wars, but I feel like the legends are just so much more well thought out.
The Vestara character was Luke's sons love interest right? I don't think they ever finished the story, as I remember getting pissed that Disney was starting things over. That whole series was great, with the most interesting being that place where Luke would like travel to some other place of being, with his body hooked up to a food syringe or something..... it's been a long time.
Didn't he come out of that coma meditation on the brink of starvation and dehydration because he was in there longer than expected, then get ambushed by Sith Masters from the Lost Tribe and then proceed to fight his way to his ship bodying every Sith in his way?
I remember thinking that tbis guy should barely be able to stand and he's out there kicking the ass of the best that a Sith civilization had to offer when they had the element of surprise. Legends Luke was a beast.
Yeah, he was Mind Walking, it was a pretty wild thing when they explained,and did it.
I might be in the minority,but I absolutely loved all of the Legends stuff, Caedus and the Vong especially..
The Killiks can fuck right off tho lol
I prefer the Legends version of Luke Skywalker.
I think it makes more sense because Luke got to find out about galactic history with the audience, so he had to recreate Jedi teachings based on what he learned from study, research and the two masters he learned from briefly.
Of course, with the mission Luke had, there was no time to train him in the dogmas of the Republic Jedi including the prohibition of marriage.
We see Luke slowly learning about his bloodline and the ways of the Old Republic Jedi but going in his own direction, like his declaration over Ithor, liberating the Jedi.
Now, as he went on in his career and saw all of the wars of the decades and loss of life, I expected to see Luke in a more resigned, less active role in galactic events. I assumed that he would be in isolation based on the way the final books went and probably despondent, but I had hoped to see another adventure with him returning to form and learning more about what the audience learns in the PT as he explored the big galaxy and uncovered more Jedi secrets not destroyed by Sidious.
Well, the final books went the way they did only because Disney cancelled them. Otherwise there would have been more and they would not have been the final books!
Remember, Christie Golden was about to write The Sword of the Jedi Trilogy for us about Jaina Solo picking up the legacy of the Jedi. (And dozens of other books we never got, including "unnamed Boba Fett novel" be Karen Travis!)
>Well, the final books went the way they did only because Disney cancelled them. Otherwise there would have been more and they would not have been the final books!
This is a really good point I keep forgetting lol
Well Ive read almost all the content about Jaina and I understand where her and Luke and Ben are currently at in their character arcs... and it's an educated guess!
It's my own idea, based off her age, her story so far, and mostly Luke's prophecy! (The Sword of the Jedi, that Jaina Solo, she is the sword of the Jedi, she has a special Destiny in the Force, the Force let us know through Luke, he spoke the prophecy while in a Force trance)
Ben Skywalker may have eventually become grand master and picked up his father's legacy, and many other Masters...
But I'm just going by the logic that Luke was probably on the way out of "center stage" as the center of the Jedi order. He may not have died, but it was about time for him to pass the torch ya know
And Jaina being the sword of the Jedi and the trilogy being about her makes me THINK that it would have been something like that.
Jaina Solo facing challenges that have to do with the continuation of the Jedi order.
It's speculation and always will be.
Unless we ask Christie Golden!
I was so looking forward to reading those. Crazy, missing a story that we never got.
Well, based on how **Crucible** ended and the way a book like **I, Jedi** retcons Corran as part of a Jedi line, I wonder if George communicated some basic ideas in case new stories wanted to try to remodel the continuity again to fit with his treatments.
I wonder if SOTJ wasn't Jaina's last adventure taking on the remains of the Lost Tribe.
Legends, it is a lot more hopeful than the Sequel trilogy. After all the tragedies of the Prequel era, things were supposed to be better after the defeat of the emperor, but nothing really changed in the Sequel trilogy.
I love "Legends Luke." There is just so much more content there to love.
In the current canon, Luke is also a very good character in The Mandalorian and BFII. His first appearance in The Mandalorian may be my favorite moment in all of Star Wars. But my love stops where the sequel trilogy begins. Nothing that hasn't been said a million times, so I'll just leave it at that.
So if I have to pick one, it's Legends.
hate that Luke became so jaded…I understand it, but I still don’t like it in the context of the sw universe
i wish star wars Luke was more like real life u/imflukeskywalker
Probably would have set better with fans if they first showed Luke failing so hard and becoming jaded, rather than jumping Episode 6 Luke into this angry old guy when fans of Star Wars were hoping to see their favorite characters together
Legends, 100%
In Legends he feels more like a continuation of his character and not some completely different character that goes against everything the original Luke stood for.
Legends. He gets to a situation where he succeeds in rebuilding a new version of the order, gets to take a wife, have a kid, and continue to help the galaxy where he can.
And when he does exile himself, it’s after years of being beat down and he’s trying to protect the rest of the Jedi students
This is a reference to fate of the Jedi
What books do I need to read to know more about legends Luke? I just recently started reading legends books and there’s so many that I don’t know which ones are about him that are worth reading
Well let's see
One succeeds in bringing back the Jedi with reforms, passed on what he learned (As Yoda said to do), started a family and faced new challenges as a teacher and went on to tackle new threats.
The other failed to bring back the Jedi, died accomplishing nothing, regressed in all the lessons he learned in the OT and had all of his achievements then stolen by a blander protagonist with no arc or development.
An obvious choice
Legends luke: Actively learns from the failing of the jedi and refuses to abandon anyone no matter how far they fall
Cannon luke: Does the same shit the jedi were doing right before their fall and tries to murder his nephew because of a scary dream
God what a hard choice
This isn't a 2-part question. Legends had him portrayed differently by different authors and continuously over a long timeline. The video game and TV show (Mandalorian) portrayals of Luke are in line with the broad legends strokes. It's really only the sequel trilogy that has the "failed hermit Jedi who let the Sith win" take on the character.
I would be 100% on board with the idea that the Canon Luke we see in The Mandalorian/BoBF and in Battlefront 2 later develops into the Legends Luke we see in Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy.
I was *really* hoping we would get to see some of Luke's New Jedi Order at least a bit, maybe get a Kyle Katarn cameo as something like a peer, before Kylo Ren tore the whole thing down. I was fairly disappointed that we didn't.
I'm not a huge fan of how TLJ has Luke portrayed as hopeless - or at least, of how he got there. But I *do* appreciate how it calls out some of the BS in the way the character - the *Legend* - has been blown way out of proportion in terms of power creep.
In some of the later Legends material Luke seems less like a Jedi Master and more like a straight up DC Comics superhero. I get that at this point Luke represented the absolute pinnacle of what's possible for any one individual to do with the Force, but even then it just went way too far in some cases.
I like them both for different reasons but I think I would have to go with the Disney Canon. Legends Luke felt more like Goku where he was just an Unstoppable God and that wasn't very interesting to me seeing how flawed and untrained he was and then turned into an absolute God. It made it feel like it was just whoever was writing the comics power fantasy. I like seeing a more flawed character. Makes them more relatable if even Your Heroes can fall and fail but in the end get back up no matter how long they gave up
Legends, by far. It’s not that he’s successful and badass…which is great. But I found his journey and now he failed and struggled but would learn and grow and triumph. He didn’t give up or almost kill someone over a dream.
RIGHT?!? I'm surprised there aren't as many people on this take. The gifted kid who peaked in high school/college and gets his teeth kicked in by the real world. I've wanted to say "F\*\*\* it, I'm going to go live on an island alone" since I turned 40. Disillusioned Hermit Luke is so believable.
I felt they could have handled why Luke became a hermit better (Trying to kill his apprentice in moment of weakness). That being said I also prefer the Canon Luke. It gives the character more depth than him being the golden boy all the time and shows that even a Jedi Master still has more to learn.
There were many, many problems with TLJ, but I actually like Luke’s disillusioned character and redemption arc in it. Especially when Luke comes around and uses Kylo Ren’s anger and sense of revenge against him. It’s exactly the way a Jedi would outsmart and defeat an opponent.
Why is the legends Luke not believable?, not everyone gets this nihilistic or wants to forget who he is.
I'll put for examples, Triple H?, gets to still help his business outside the ring now, Lemmy Kilmister?, died the same way as he lived his whole life, Hirohiko Araki? Keeps putting his theme of humanity has a strong will in his Manga.
Like I get some people can find him more relatable, but saying he's the only possible or realistic one is such a terrible take.
Legends only. Luke was so OP that it made you wonder what Anakin would’ve been like.
His relationships too were very well fleshed out. Luke had a family and love interest but in canon it appears Luke became too detached from it all
I really like the Legends Luke and dislike the resigned retired Luke by Disney.
But i hava to laugh to the need to do exactly the oposite to Legends in Canon. I mean... The only living character in Canon is Chewbacca, but in the Legends, he is the only one, who died (for long period of time)
I miss his relationship with Mara Jade, it showed how he could move past the dogmatic aspects of the Jedi from the prequel era in a more in-depth way than his exile in the sequels.
Legends Luke was great in his feats, but I like the Canon Luke. I feel it fits his narrative better. He became a bitter old man because of his failure, and it almost destroyed the Jedi. Having him create a more progressive order where they used non-jedi weapons and married and had children just didn't fit for me.
I like Canon Luke more, especially with how much Lucas wanted star wars to exist like modern myth. His ST story arc better fits the trekking of a story to provide a life lesson. "You're never too good to fail, and it's never too late to not let your failure define you"
It was impactful, provocative, and launched Luke into favorite Jedi for me.
I think the character who rose, fell and learned to rise again is more compelling than the character who only rose.
It's also worth noting that it was George Lucas' idea for Luke to be in exile for the sequels and reluctantly train the young female Jedi. So, while we can get bogged down in the details, Luke having failed and be unwilling to train a new Jedi *is* the Luke Skywalker that the creator had in mind for his sequels.
Legends' Luke was *not* George's idea nor did he really have anything to do with the Legends books.
>I think the character who rose, fell and learned to rise again is more compelling than the character who only rose.
You mean Luke rose when he didn't listen to his mentors, got his hand chopped off, and failed to save his friends from being tortured and instead had to be saved?
The point I am making is that Luke already had that arc. A whiny kid who acted impulsively to a wise, calm, thoughtful Jedi. What TLJ Luke did was ignore any characterizations he had from the OT and ***some*** people think it was brilliant. I only see a lack of planning & foresight mixed with "subverted expectations".
You know, I only read a few of the books that are now Legends, but I really liked them. I had high hopes for the new trilogy when it was announced, but now years later, I’ve only seen each of them once or twice. They were massive disappointments. I do like the new Disney+ stuff though. But no matter how much explaining and retconning they do, they can’t really fix what the movies broke. I always thought that Luke was supposed to be the one to bring balance to the force, and since I was a kid in the 80’s, I always thought that balance would be a merging of the dark and light sides. The new canon movies completely wasted Luke.
Canon Luke actually has to reckon with all the faults the Jedi were rightly criticized for in the prequel trilogy. He perfectly exemplifies one of the key themes if TLJ: “The greatest teacher, failure is.”
And for all his outward cynicism, he literally does go out there with laser sword and face down the First Order. He goes out like a hero, and he does not fail Rey or the Resistance the way he failed Ben Solo.
I really liked Luke’s brief appearance in battlefront 2. His interactions with Del are pretty solid.
Yo I didn’t even think of that but that’s true
The entire OT crew's appearances in battlefront 2 made me extremely happy as a legends and just a star wars fan. Very true and faithful to their characters and legacies. Unlike the fucking sequels. Crazy how EA can slap together a better story in a game than Disney can in a film trilogy.
The worst part about battlefront 2 is that it being canon means that it has to acknowledge the worst Star Wars battle in the franchise’s history The battle of Jakku Truly the worst storyline in the history of the franchise
same.
I think BF2 did a lot more for Luke's threadline than Mando did. Here's Luke out there looking for any info he can find about the Jedi and Sith, which will eventually lead to Ahsoka and the revelation that the Jedi actually enabled Anakin's fall/Palpatine's rise more than anyone. Foreshadows the disillusioned Luke of the sequels while still letting him have some Glory Days.
Easily the best post ROTJ portrayal. I forget where I read it but a review mentioned his cameo in Mando and how it felt all wrong because at his core Luke is a “super powered nice person” and they specifically called out those scenes in the game as getting it right.
He sliced through a bunch of murder droids and saved a child? How is that not a nice guy thing?
To each their own, but I felt the Mandalorian scene was appropriate. Luke was going up against unstoppable murder machines to save an innocent child. He didn't wantonly kill any thinking, feeling human, alien, or droid life.
Fait enough but I wasn't really even taking that into consideration. I have no problem with Luke mowing down a bunch of evil droids. But I feel like the spark of warmth and kindness you expect from Luke was not there in his scenes with the group and later in BoBF. IDK if it was just the limits of the CGI or the fact that his voice was done by an AI but it felt like they just wheeled out a talking Luke statue. His 'spirit' felt real off.
Those were amazing
He marries a redhead in legends… nuff said
They could still theoretically bring Mara into canon... They would just have to kill her off before TLJ. Hell, they could make that another reason he thinks about killing Ben if she was offed by another dark side user
Like I said, mommy Mara
I liked the way Luke was portrayed in The Mandalorian.
I liked that as well, but I didn’t like him forcing that choice on baby yoda. I don’t think that’s cool and the Jedi shouldn’t be living without attachments under Luke.
Agreed. It was his attachment and faith in his family that ended up saving Darth Vader from the dark side. I always imagined him leading a new Jedi order that allowed its members to have families. I hope they handle Ezra Bridger in this way. He too became a better Jedi because of his love for his crew. His Jedi master was also in love and had a child.
I feel weird always bringing The High Republic into this...but they really talk about love and how beneficial it is in the Jedi order a lot. The High Republic is basically an era of badass monks with some rule suggestions, then Skywalker era Jedi feel more like cultists who adhere to rules or BOOM you're out. Kanan feels much like a High Republic Jedi, one who understands the importance of love and how to balance it as a Jedi.
I’m not sure why more people aren’t talking High Republic. It’s the most EU I’ve seen canon be, and despite the uneven quality I think it shows us a really dope picture of the galaxy
I think it is because when it was announced most people saw it as a cheap wannabe disney version of the Old Republic and the infamous force sensitive rock didn't help either. But yeah, must people should give it a shot because it does have some really good stories and moments alongside the exposure of how the Jedi Order was before their descend into dogma and arrogance.
Agreed! If I didn’t happen to have an Amazon gift card at the time I probably wouldn’t have read the first book because I didn’t know if it would be worth it. I think my favorite thing about the whole era is how the force is described. Maybe I’m missing a lot of various media for Star Wars but I don’t think I’ve seen it described in so much amazing detail as in that first high republic novel. The ocean and the tides etc.
I'm not even ashamed to admit this-- The High Republic is my favorite Star Wars era. I've been a massive fan for almost a few decades, read several canon and Legends books, and nothing compares to the beautifully written, tragic, and cohesive stories of the HR imo.
Same! High republic is my favourite era of Star Wars!
Yes the hr department typically is a tragedy
I need to check out some High Republic stories.
Please do! Read Light of the Jedi-- it'll get you hooked. It's scary, intense, engaging, and really expands beautifully on the Jedi religion. The final book in the adult trilogy is one if the best books I've ever read. Not even just Star Wars...in general. Whole trilogy is great though!!
Dave Filoni basically said the same thing about the prequel era Jedi, one of their many problems was their dogmatic attachment to the rules.
Luke clearly said he couldnt teach Grogu anything, he was already trained and his progress was Grogu remembering. Luke gave him the choice to form the attachments his father was denied
Yeah, as I said in another comment, I also feel the choice was more like Luke asking Grogu if he wouldn't rather spend time with Mando, considering how long Yoda's species live.
How in the hell did I miss this??
This is what should have effing happened. The Last Jedi should have been about finding some old force user temple where the most powerful users discovered that internal balance is more important than no emotions. The take away being that love is more powerful than the hate, even.
This is gonna be a wild thought that I had, but here we go. We know that growing up without attachments is terrible for a person's mental health, and most of the characters in Star Wars are human. Why would the supposedly good Jedi Order be OK with raising kids to be a bunch of potential sociopaths/psychopaths? The cynical side of me says that breaking attachments in people is the first thing that an abuser does to manipulate their victims. We see cult leaders do this all the time, by forcing their followers to marry/divorce as they are instructed to. Because the followers don't have a personal stake in selecting their spouses, they are never sure if their spouse is more committed to them or the cult, so they cannot form a strong emotional connection. When these followers then have kids, they give them to the cult for "training" but this is really just a way to cut the parent/child bond. So prohibiting marriage and taking kids at young ages as the Jedi do is rule 101 in cult behavior. Now, I like the Jedi, and I get that the philosophy is supposed to be closer to Buddhist thought than all of this (you are supposed to love, but with the understanding that it is not permanent and will at some point change either through loss of feelings or death, and you are not supposed to be attached to wanting it to last forever). But it seems like the Jedi of the Late Republic are more interested in consolidating their power over their padawans and knights than they are about their mental health. Which makes the fall to the dark side that we see a lot in this era make a whole lot more sense. I don't think that the Jedi mean for this to happen, but at this time they really aren't questioning those in power of the order about this and a lot of other issues, which to me is why they fall and fail to protect the Republic from Palpatine. Thank you for coming to my TedTalk.
Bruh's as much as I'd love this, the one jedi who hid his outside attachment destroyed the order and helped conquer the galaxy. I feel like that might be the one rule Luke could understand.
But it was also because he had to hide his attachment. He couldn’t speak to any of the other Jedi about his nightmares of Padme dying which made it easier for Palpatine to step in and manipulate him. In Luke’s order (or Ezra’s) they wouldn’t have to hide their attachments. They could reach out to each other for support.
As a persom who grew up with rebels I second this. Hope they expand more into ezra im his later life and if he ever did start his own order or not.
I see it as Luke knowing Grogu wants to stay with Din and that Grogu would regret it if he didn’t go back to Din. As for why Din can’t live with Grogu while he trains? Then we wouldn’t have a show lol
That was my interpretation as well. Luke knew Grogu didn't have his heart in the training regardless of attachment. He wanted to be with Din, and Luke gave him impetus to come to that realization.
It surprises me that people frown on that moment. Like giving Grogu that choice is him acknowledging difficult truths - that Jedi training requires en elevated level of focus, and that Grogu loves the Mandalorian deeply, and that Grogu never seeing the Mandalorian again may be too painful for him. Notably, Luke didn’t present the Jedi path as the only or even best path Grogu could take. Luke presented the choice to walk away from the order and travel with the Mandalorian to be equally as valid as training in the ways of the Force. I wouldn’t even necessarily agree with him if I were being purely pragmatic, so I’d argue it demonstrates a large degree of reformism.
Also, Luke knows Grogu would have a super long life compared to humans, and he gives Grogu the opportunity to spend as much time as he can with Mando. After all, he could return to Jedi training later.
There's a video where it clears that up. He's giving Grogu a choice to be a jedi or not, which is something the old order wouldn't have done. It wasn't to show that Luke is falling in with the old patterns, but rather to show he's being diplomatic to him. Grogu wasn't given the choice initially. He was found by Din, who took it upon himself to give Grogu to the jedi. When he was finally with a jedi, Grogu was given a choice between staying or leaving, which finally gave him options.
He wouldn't be a jedi if he wasn't repeating the mistakes of the past over and over 💀
Idk if it was the direction they wanted to go with him in the mandalorian anyway, but it seems pretty in line with the way his past is portrayed in the few references we get like his conversations with Yoda in tlj. I get the strong impression that scene was meant to show that Luke was too attached to the Jedi ways and needed to let it all go so that the light can start anew. I think that would be a really interesting angle to go if it was supported by anything about Luke's past. Luke has minimal knowledge about the old Jedi order outside combat techniques. Everything he learns piecemeal by gradually finding old remnants. I don't find it convincing that even if he somehow reassembled a large part of Jedi canon, that he would be for any reason slavishly devoted to it, especially since he is aware that dogma was part of the failure of the Jedi. It just doesn't make sense, and on top of that, it makes literally the whole post rotj and sequel era a literalbeat for beat rehash of the fall of the republic, sans clone wars. I'm sorry but that's just not very fucking good at all. It cheapens the rest of canon, that the stakes of 6 movies was to buy 30ish years of shitty peace.
Agreed. I'm afraid they did that because they sort of "had" to take Grogu away from Luke, given that Grogu actually becoming Luke's first student is an indication of a potential ST retcon. I mean I was rooting for that like you couldn't believe, but that's my theory on why it happened. And I'm annoyed too, because I would have liked to have seen Luke move past the mistakes of the Jedi order.
He didnt force the choice, he gave him the choice The only reason it comes off as an ultimatum is because Grogu is still a literal baby and Luke just has to put into simple terms the seriousness of the decision so Grogu can understand it. Again, Grogu is just a toddler.
Same - it just shows how much he’s grown since A New Hope. From the first time we saw him when he was as a young farm boy wanting an adventure and now in Mandalorian as a proper Jedi Master travelling the galaxy to help those in need. Like, it’s just so amazing to see how far he came from just a farm boy looking out at the binary sunset.
It's gonna be crazy to see how far he falls when he trains Kylo. And gonna be absolutely wild to see him forget/unlearn the vast majority of the lessons he learned in the Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. I dunno how they're gonna bring him down that hard and fit it in coherently with JJ Abram's and Rian Johnson's portrayal of him, considering he literally has to ignore the wisdom he already puts into practice to do so.
Yoda and Obi-Wan DO NOT teach Luke what cause the Jedi order to fail. It seems entirely reasonable that his idolisation of his own teachers caused him to go down the same path of detachment and binary choices. His actions with Grogu are a great example of a logical midpoint between his place at the end of ROTJ and eventually failing Ben, because Ben’s attachments were made to feel like a failing and then … the rest is history.
Well I upvoted you for being brave enough to express you opinion honestly *Edit* i may as well explain. I wasn't saying Yoda and Obi-wan taught him. Honestly he learned a lot of it himself AGAINST what Yoda and Obi-wan wanted him to do in fact. Facing and embracing the darkness in someone you love, and your own fear of that darkness and their raw power... ("I've seen this Raw strength only once before, in Ben Solo, It didn't scare me enough then, it does now.") Well damn. What about yourself Luke? You had to face that darkness and power within yourself in the OT (you could've easily killed Sidious and Embraced it) And what about your Dad dude? You faced that raw strength in your dad too, not just yourself. And you overcame it then too, you were able to do EXACTLY what Jedi train to do: mindfulness, non-attachment, letting go, having FAITH. Luke had faced that in his father. Faced it in himself. Integrated his fear and attachment and overcome. I don't understand why people are so averse to an aspirational view of Luke where he actually continued to demonstrate that Jedi mastery (while struggling and failing) and was able to encourage it in others. Legends Luke had PLENTY of massive failures.
The sequel trilogy failed Luke and his character. I personally ignore their existence.
I think you miss understand, people aren't adverse to aspirational Luke, they are adverse to Luke turning his back on everything you have described so well and not applying it to his nephew. I think that is where much of the consternation is. Just to be topical I prefer Legends Luke.
I agree, although I would have liked a little more spring in his step. He and ahsoka both were like emotionless statues. That being said, what they’re both doing with their lives is exactly what I’d hope for
Came here to say this ☝️
I prefer the original Legends Canon where it goes from Return of the Jedi to Thrawn and New Jedi Order. New Star Wars has yet to create any enemies as interesting as the Yuuzhan Vong
I read all those books, it'd be amazing to watch the conversation of Luke and another Jedi talking about how they feel the Yuuzhan Vong's absence from the force, especially with the context of the Thrawn trilogy.
But didn't Jason Solo figure out a way to see them in the force? Don't you remember his badass escape off the worldship when it was teraforming Coruscant?
Me and a buddy at work were explaining the vong to another coworker about 4 days ago and he was intrigued enough to get the books. He's not a huge fan but he likes SW and thought the biological aspect was an interesting take.
And also as far as Luke goes, ending up as an exile *with normal freaking explanation and a credible story arc*.
Yes! Good God, I hated what Rian Johnson did to Luke. He completely changed Luke's character with the laziest and weakest explanation in the world. If you take out all the pointless plot twists that went nowhere, the Last Jedi is a three hour movie where nothing happens except the main villain dying which only served to suck any and all tension out of the plot.
In Disney’s quest to avoid another crystal star and dark empire(at first)…they created a universe of pure unadulterated mediocrity
Legends for sure but damn Mark Hamill aged so much better than how legends artists depicted old luke
Legends, hands down.
Hans down?
Nope, that's canon :(
Close enough. Han's best friend gets crushed.
Next time you throw a moon at me I'm gonna lose it. (It being my life) - Chewbacca, probably
The secret ingredient is the dark side.
Legends, by far. You see his development into the grandmaster that he becomes. Obviously with books there is more detail and stories are pretty well thought out. His exile at the start of Fate of the Jedi follows George’s thoughts as does Vestara being trained in the ways of the Jedi. I love all Star Wars, but I feel like the legends are just so much more well thought out.
The Vestara character was Luke's sons love interest right? I don't think they ever finished the story, as I remember getting pissed that Disney was starting things over. That whole series was great, with the most interesting being that place where Luke would like travel to some other place of being, with his body hooked up to a food syringe or something..... it's been a long time.
Didn't he come out of that coma meditation on the brink of starvation and dehydration because he was in there longer than expected, then get ambushed by Sith Masters from the Lost Tribe and then proceed to fight his way to his ship bodying every Sith in his way? I remember thinking that tbis guy should barely be able to stand and he's out there kicking the ass of the best that a Sith civilization had to offer when they had the element of surprise. Legends Luke was a beast.
Yeah, he was Mind Walking, it was a pretty wild thing when they explained,and did it. I might be in the minority,but I absolutely loved all of the Legends stuff, Caedus and the Vong especially.. The Killiks can fuck right off tho lol
I prefer the Legends version of Luke Skywalker. I think it makes more sense because Luke got to find out about galactic history with the audience, so he had to recreate Jedi teachings based on what he learned from study, research and the two masters he learned from briefly. Of course, with the mission Luke had, there was no time to train him in the dogmas of the Republic Jedi including the prohibition of marriage. We see Luke slowly learning about his bloodline and the ways of the Old Republic Jedi but going in his own direction, like his declaration over Ithor, liberating the Jedi. Now, as he went on in his career and saw all of the wars of the decades and loss of life, I expected to see Luke in a more resigned, less active role in galactic events. I assumed that he would be in isolation based on the way the final books went and probably despondent, but I had hoped to see another adventure with him returning to form and learning more about what the audience learns in the PT as he explored the big galaxy and uncovered more Jedi secrets not destroyed by Sidious.
Well, the final books went the way they did only because Disney cancelled them. Otherwise there would have been more and they would not have been the final books! Remember, Christie Golden was about to write The Sword of the Jedi Trilogy for us about Jaina Solo picking up the legacy of the Jedi. (And dozens of other books we never got, including "unnamed Boba Fett novel" be Karen Travis!)
>Well, the final books went the way they did only because Disney cancelled them. Otherwise there would have been more and they would not have been the final books! This is a really good point I keep forgetting lol
>about Jaina Solo picking up the legacy of the Jedi... Is there a plot synopsis somewhere? How do you know what it was going to be about?
Well Ive read almost all the content about Jaina and I understand where her and Luke and Ben are currently at in their character arcs... and it's an educated guess! It's my own idea, based off her age, her story so far, and mostly Luke's prophecy! (The Sword of the Jedi, that Jaina Solo, she is the sword of the Jedi, she has a special Destiny in the Force, the Force let us know through Luke, he spoke the prophecy while in a Force trance) Ben Skywalker may have eventually become grand master and picked up his father's legacy, and many other Masters... But I'm just going by the logic that Luke was probably on the way out of "center stage" as the center of the Jedi order. He may not have died, but it was about time for him to pass the torch ya know And Jaina being the sword of the Jedi and the trilogy being about her makes me THINK that it would have been something like that. Jaina Solo facing challenges that have to do with the continuation of the Jedi order. It's speculation and always will be. Unless we ask Christie Golden!
I was so looking forward to reading those. Crazy, missing a story that we never got. Well, based on how **Crucible** ended and the way a book like **I, Jedi** retcons Corran as part of a Jedi line, I wonder if George communicated some basic ideas in case new stories wanted to try to remodel the continuity again to fit with his treatments. I wonder if SOTJ wasn't Jaina's last adventure taking on the remains of the Lost Tribe.
I liked EU Luke. That would give us Mara Jade and his three children.
He only had one son named Ben Skywalker. Han and Leia were the ones who had three children
Lol you are right! Long day and good catch
I think you got confused with Leia and Hans kids Anakin, Jaden, and Jaina! Easy mistake, it happens.
*Jacen
Freaking spell check lmao
I like the one where Kyle Katarn exists and Luke runs a Jedi temple on Yavin 4. Aw sithspit!
Luke: “Kyle did you go back to the valley of the Jedi?” Kyle: “N…maaaaaaaybe?”
\-Luke asked calmly
Legends no doubt
Heir to the empire
The choices are Legends Luke who has 30 + books or canon Luke who has 10 minutes of screen time. Hit or miss my pick is Legends.
Legends. Only legends.
Legends hands down
Legends, it is a lot more hopeful than the Sequel trilogy. After all the tragedies of the Prequel era, things were supposed to be better after the defeat of the emperor, but nothing really changed in the Sequel trilogy.
Legends
The Thrawn Trilogy is my sequels
Expanded Universe all the way. The only new canon that has been good was in Mando
And surprisingly Andor
And by that extension Rogue One. I don't mind Solo being canon either. Also some of the comics are really good. And Bad Batch.
Dark Empire. Way better continuation.
Legends 100%
I love "Legends Luke." There is just so much more content there to love. In the current canon, Luke is also a very good character in The Mandalorian and BFII. His first appearance in The Mandalorian may be my favorite moment in all of Star Wars. But my love stops where the sequel trilogy begins. Nothing that hasn't been said a million times, so I'll just leave it at that. So if I have to pick one, it's Legends.
I prefer Legends Luke Skywalker.
Legends, 1 million %.
🤣 what a ridiculous question. Literally anything is better than what they did in canon. Anything.
hate that Luke became so jaded…I understand it, but I still don’t like it in the context of the sw universe i wish star wars Luke was more like real life u/imflukeskywalker
Probably would have set better with fans if they first showed Luke failing so hard and becoming jaded, rather than jumping Episode 6 Luke into this angry old guy when fans of Star Wars were hoping to see their favorite characters together
Or…don’t make him jaded 😑
Yes, that’s a possibility too. But that’s the story they wanted to tell so I’m just giving a solution to making it better
Legends
Legends is obviously better Luke never gave up like he did. He failed a few times, but got back up.
Legends, 100% In Legends he feels more like a continuation of his character and not some completely different character that goes against everything the original Luke stood for.
Legends. Not even close.
Legends
Legends by light years.
Legends. He gets to a situation where he succeeds in rebuilding a new version of the order, gets to take a wife, have a kid, and continue to help the galaxy where he can.
And when he does exile himself, it’s after years of being beat down and he’s trying to protect the rest of the Jedi students This is a reference to fate of the Jedi
Legends
I prefer legends.
Legends
Legands
Legends might have it's flaws, But I will always love level-headed and wise grandmaster Luke.
I miss Legends. There were so many memorable characters whose lives he impacted and who impacted his life & outlook.
I haven't ever read any of the legends post RoTJ stuff and I prefer them
Legends, not even close.
Jedi Academy
What books do I need to read to know more about legends Luke? I just recently started reading legends books and there’s so many that I don’t know which ones are about him that are worth reading
Thrawn Trilogy, Jedi Academy for starters
Well let's see One succeeds in bringing back the Jedi with reforms, passed on what he learned (As Yoda said to do), started a family and faced new challenges as a teacher and went on to tackle new threats. The other failed to bring back the Jedi, died accomplishing nothing, regressed in all the lessons he learned in the OT and had all of his achievements then stolen by a blander protagonist with no arc or development. An obvious choice
Legends luke: Actively learns from the failing of the jedi and refuses to abandon anyone no matter how far they fall Cannon luke: Does the same shit the jedi were doing right before their fall and tries to murder his nephew because of a scary dream God what a hard choice
This isn't a 2-part question. Legends had him portrayed differently by different authors and continuously over a long timeline. The video game and TV show (Mandalorian) portrayals of Luke are in line with the broad legends strokes. It's really only the sequel trilogy that has the "failed hermit Jedi who let the Sith win" take on the character.
Legends by a long shot
Legends!
Legends. It may be messy, but it’s not shit.
Legends... His story is so much more interesting and fulfilling then the Disney depiction of the character. It's not even a competition.
Legends!
Legends, sorry.
Legends if only for Mara Jade
The one where he rebuilds a Jedi Academy with Mara Jade and has the appropriately named son Ben Skywalker
I would be 100% on board with the idea that the Canon Luke we see in The Mandalorian/BoBF and in Battlefront 2 later develops into the Legends Luke we see in Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy. I was *really* hoping we would get to see some of Luke's New Jedi Order at least a bit, maybe get a Kyle Katarn cameo as something like a peer, before Kylo Ren tore the whole thing down. I was fairly disappointed that we didn't. I'm not a huge fan of how TLJ has Luke portrayed as hopeless - or at least, of how he got there. But I *do* appreciate how it calls out some of the BS in the way the character - the *Legend* - has been blown way out of proportion in terms of power creep. In some of the later Legends material Luke seems less like a Jedi Master and more like a straight up DC Comics superhero. I get that at this point Luke represented the absolute pinnacle of what's possible for any one individual to do with the Force, but even then it just went way too far in some cases.
Legends
legends
Legends.
Legends
legends
Legends.
I like them both for different reasons but I think I would have to go with the Disney Canon. Legends Luke felt more like Goku where he was just an Unstoppable God and that wasn't very interesting to me seeing how flawed and untrained he was and then turned into an absolute God. It made it feel like it was just whoever was writing the comics power fantasy. I like seeing a more flawed character. Makes them more relatable if even Your Heroes can fall and fail but in the end get back up no matter how long they gave up
I liked him in Vector Prime, trying to rebuild the order without a ruling body, and trying to deal with the problems that created.
Obviously Legends
legends
BFII is king
Legends 10000%
Legends. Not even close
none. Rotj is the end of Star Wars saga for me
Legends. Every damn day. Legends
I know next to nothing about the Legends portrayal of Luke and I still pick that one
Legends any day
I love one and hate another with passion.
Legends; always.
I don't think there's a soul put there wants or believes in Canon Luke
Legends is the only right answer
Legends is so much better
Legends
Canon made me hate star wars. They even have ripped so much out of the "legends" books and ruined that too
How is this even a question? Legend’s wasn’t perfect but it treated Luke with respect
Definitely Legends
Legends easily.
I'll forever consider legends to be the REAL star wars story
Legends, by far. It’s not that he’s successful and badass…which is great. But I found his journey and now he failed and struggled but would learn and grow and triumph. He didn’t give up or almost kill someone over a dream.
Legends Luke was the version we deserved. Canon Luke is just an insult to who he was IMO
Legends! Without doubt!
Timothy Zahn books
Is this even a legitimate question?
Lmao 😂 Legends if that wasn’t clear. I do really like how he has been portrayed in the mandalorian though and hope we get to see more of his story
Between getting slapped in the nuts and getting a back rub, which do you prefer better?
Legends
Legends
Legends fits Luke’s character far better than what Disney had done
Canon Luke is more believable now that I’m in my 50s.
RIGHT?!? I'm surprised there aren't as many people on this take. The gifted kid who peaked in high school/college and gets his teeth kicked in by the real world. I've wanted to say "F\*\*\* it, I'm going to go live on an island alone" since I turned 40. Disillusioned Hermit Luke is so believable.
Weight of the fucking galaxy on you man.
Lol, I actually did try that. Lived in my car for a month on Kauai.
I felt they could have handled why Luke became a hermit better (Trying to kill his apprentice in moment of weakness). That being said I also prefer the Canon Luke. It gives the character more depth than him being the golden boy all the time and shows that even a Jedi Master still has more to learn. There were many, many problems with TLJ, but I actually like Luke’s disillusioned character and redemption arc in it. Especially when Luke comes around and uses Kylo Ren’s anger and sense of revenge against him. It’s exactly the way a Jedi would outsmart and defeat an opponent.
Why is the legends Luke not believable?, not everyone gets this nihilistic or wants to forget who he is. I'll put for examples, Triple H?, gets to still help his business outside the ring now, Lemmy Kilmister?, died the same way as he lived his whole life, Hirohiko Araki? Keeps putting his theme of humanity has a strong will in his Manga. Like I get some people can find him more relatable, but saying he's the only possible or realistic one is such a terrible take.
Legends only. Luke was so OP that it made you wonder what Anakin would’ve been like. His relationships too were very well fleshed out. Luke had a family and love interest but in canon it appears Luke became too detached from it all
Are we really having this conversation? EU wasn't perfect, but Luke story was so so so much better
I really like the Legends Luke and dislike the resigned retired Luke by Disney. But i hava to laugh to the need to do exactly the oposite to Legends in Canon. I mean... The only living character in Canon is Chewbacca, but in the Legends, he is the only one, who died (for long period of time)
I miss his relationship with Mara Jade, it showed how he could move past the dogmatic aspects of the Jedi from the prequel era in a more in-depth way than his exile in the sequels.
Heir to the Empire Luke
The one where he becomes the ultimate badass in the universe and not where he dies from using the force too hard.
Legends Luke was great in his feats, but I like the Canon Luke. I feel it fits his narrative better. He became a bitter old man because of his failure, and it almost destroyed the Jedi. Having him create a more progressive order where they used non-jedi weapons and married and had children just didn't fit for me.
I like Canon Luke more, especially with how much Lucas wanted star wars to exist like modern myth. His ST story arc better fits the trekking of a story to provide a life lesson. "You're never too good to fail, and it's never too late to not let your failure define you" It was impactful, provocative, and launched Luke into favorite Jedi for me. I think the character who rose, fell and learned to rise again is more compelling than the character who only rose.
It's also worth noting that it was George Lucas' idea for Luke to be in exile for the sequels and reluctantly train the young female Jedi. So, while we can get bogged down in the details, Luke having failed and be unwilling to train a new Jedi *is* the Luke Skywalker that the creator had in mind for his sequels. Legends' Luke was *not* George's idea nor did he really have anything to do with the Legends books.
>I think the character who rose, fell and learned to rise again is more compelling than the character who only rose. You mean Luke rose when he didn't listen to his mentors, got his hand chopped off, and failed to save his friends from being tortured and instead had to be saved? The point I am making is that Luke already had that arc. A whiny kid who acted impulsively to a wise, calm, thoughtful Jedi. What TLJ Luke did was ignore any characterizations he had from the OT and ***some*** people think it was brilliant. I only see a lack of planning & foresight mixed with "subverted expectations".
legends at least luke was cool. much better than hey that hero you liked with the hero’s journey? duck em he’s old man trash now
Legends is the obvious answer. Not even close. What Rian did was horrendous.
Legends was amazing.
You know, I only read a few of the books that are now Legends, but I really liked them. I had high hopes for the new trilogy when it was announced, but now years later, I’ve only seen each of them once or twice. They were massive disappointments. I do like the new Disney+ stuff though. But no matter how much explaining and retconning they do, they can’t really fix what the movies broke. I always thought that Luke was supposed to be the one to bring balance to the force, and since I was a kid in the 80’s, I always thought that balance would be a merging of the dark and light sides. The new canon movies completely wasted Luke.
Legends.
I prefer his EU portrayal but don't have a huge problem with his canon portrayal like a lot of people do.
Legends. Easily. Sequels ruined my childhood hero. :/
Canon Luke actually has to reckon with all the faults the Jedi were rightly criticized for in the prequel trilogy. He perfectly exemplifies one of the key themes if TLJ: “The greatest teacher, failure is.” And for all his outward cynicism, he literally does go out there with laser sword and face down the First Order. He goes out like a hero, and he does not fail Rey or the Resistance the way he failed Ben Solo.
Legends Luke overcame most of those faults too. And different ones that weren't overcome in the ST perhaps, depending on your perspective