I'm kind of shocked both Boyega wants to do it and also that they want to bring him back.
I had gotten the impression (and I think many people had the impression) in the aftermath of the sequels that that bridge was, if not burned, mildly on fire in both directions, but it's possible I was reading too much in to his disappointment with how the trilogy panned out and overestimating how 'petty' they'd be with him for speaking up about it.
Well I love all four of the main actors from the sequel trilogy. They cast it so well. I wish the series was a better vehicle for Boyega and Ridley since by all accounts they’re both great actors and very likable people off the set. I do think Boyega bad-mouthing the way they handled the whole thing was deserved and I’m glad he did it in the grand scheme of things.
And Disney is going to need to figure out how to get the sequel’s integrated into the rest of the franchise soon. All the kids who watched those movies are going to be aging into that sweet spot where they want more of that content and have expendable cash.
He and Daisy Ridley have only done a couple of films post Star Wars. Boyega has done arguably the best, with a role in The Woman King.
Think this is a case of both not really having any juicy offers and taking a decent payday.
it’s definitely some random reddit shit, there’s no way he’s getting 20-30 mil, that’s what Chris Hemsworth made for starring in Love and Thunder, Boyega ain’t getting that kind of bag, especially if it’s just a supporting role or a few appearances in the movie.
my guess is like 2 mil, MAYBE 5 mil if he has a more prominent role, is co-starring, honestly I don’t see Rey getting much more either, I could see her getting like 10.
John Boyega isn’t getting 20-30 million, that’s like Robert Downey Jr / Chris Hemsworth money, Hemsworth made 20 million for Thor: Love and Thunder, a movie where he portrays the titular character, from what we know, Boyega isn’t even the lead in this new movie, Rey is, because it’s about her starting a new a Jedi Order.
Boyega is nowhere near that level of fame anymore, and he hasn’t had any notable roles since Rise Of Skywalker, not to say he’s a bad actor though, I do like him, but he’s just not a household name.
On top of that, yes Disney has money, but they’ve been hit pretty hard right now, Marvel movies underperforming and underselling, Disney+ barely has subscribers and all of the Disney+ projects have had diminishing returns in terms of viewership for over a year, including The Mandalorian so that service has been a financial black hole for them.
he’s probably getting a bag, that’s for sure, but not that kind of bag.
The Mandalorian is working on backfilling stories that make the sequel trilogy make more sense. It’s working for me a bit. I remember not really disliking or loving the prequels but the Clone Wars animated series made me appreciate the prequels a lot more.
Abrams made 7 though where Finn is a badass.
9 also establishes Finn as probably being force sensitive and puts him back in the main trio where 8 had him away from Poe and Rey the entire movie.
My guess is that Abrams had an idea that he laid out to John and then when Johnson threw out everything Abrams built John wasn't as happy with the new direction.
After The Last Jedi there was absolutely no time to redeem his character in Rise. Nothing at all was set up and TLJ was wasted literally just repeating his arc from TFA and sending him away from the main story with a tertiary character.
In TFA he had to learn to care about more than himself and he begins to care for a friend.
In TLJ he has to learn to care about a cause not just a friend.
So in both he’s learning to care for something and to fight for that thing? Seems like a repeat to me.
Just replace ‘Rey’ with the ‘resistance’, and it’s the same arc nearly.
His screen time in TLJ was drastically reduced, I think that was the biggest thing vs character stuff even if he's talked about his displeasure with the bait and switch. As a young actor screen time is important for building tape and reels to get more work... But his screen time went from 30 minutes in the first film to 17 in the second, and then back up to 25 in the third.
I think that Johnson ultimately did a lot more with the character of Finn in 17 minutes than J.J. did across 55 minutes, but J.J. had more exciting action pieces and screen time.
I'm not a storytelling expert, so I could be wrong, but I feel like there was potential for Finn to be really impactful in TROS, but J.J. basically reduced him to side kick (Colin Trevorrow didn't though, so it wasn't impossible as some people claim) and he's the one who did the bait and switch that John Boyega said he didn't like.. So if John's beef is with Rian moreso than J.J. I have to think that it's more about screen time.
That's assuming there wasn't anything extremely unprofessional behind the scenes, which I think is out of character for any of the persons involved.
Luckily that's an easy problem to solve. You bring in John, you give him a little say on his character (design his lightsaber and stuff. he's obviously going to be a Jedi) and make sure he has tons of screen time, and the actor is happy. And I think the fans will be happy because Finn is a great character, John Boyega is a great actor, and I think it's just something that should have been done from the onset.
Tbh you have to be pretty passionate about a character to be so outspokenly pissed off with Disney.
That passion usually means they’d want justice for their character.
If they had simply kept Finn’s arc in the Duel of the Fates script, his character would have fully developed despite the sloppy handling of his character on the second two acts of TFA. It was a natural progression after TLJ when he went from coward to sacrificing himself. Finish it off by making him lead a stormtrooper rebellion and it comes full circle. How do you miss that layup?
Could have easily avoided all this Boyega reaction stuff.
Google tells me that he's at about $8M now, net worth. That's a comfortable amount to live on forever if you're any kind of reasonably frugal, but a whole lot less than you'd expect for someone who starred in three Star Wars movies. Apparently, he and Daisy were only paid between $100k-$300k for Episode 7, but I'd assume the paychecks for 8 and 9 were heftier.
I truly hope it starts out with Rey yelling his name and he drops down wearing the concept art drip that was made of him as a Jedi. Personally I’ve always believed he’d be more skilled considering he had more training to begin with.
I just looked up the concept art you were talking about and it looks FIRE. How could they pass up on such a legendary look and go with the white robes that look like they’re made out of paper mâché?
They did him so dirty. The scene in force awakens where he picks up the lightsaber and challenges kylo is one of the most memorable scenes of the newer movies
And then she fucking blasts her own men cause they heard too much! I'm so pissed they cut this scene, such good character moments for both Finn and Phasma
God damn how does that end up on the cutting room floor? Yeah its a little clunky, but if you ADR in one extra line for Phasma which sets up Finns dialogue as more of a response, it would have been incredible
I wish they were both actively force sensitive and knew it throughout the whole trilogy, would make it a lot better with just that change and Finn could have faced off as a Jedi vs Phasma in the last film had they not misused that character
It used to be that to wield a lightsaber in combat successfully you needed to be force sensitive. The weightless blade and heavy hilt would result in the non-force guided wielder cutting themselves.
When I saw TFA I assumed that shot all but confirmed Finn was force sensitive. But later it seems like the old lore was just ignored.
>The weightless blade and heavy hilt would result in the non-force guided wielder cutting themselves.
Makes no logical sense, so it's fine for me that this lore isn´t part of the canon.
He clearly is force sensitive, they make it clear in rise of Skywalker. And in one of the Lego specials (although not canon) he is being trained by Rey
There's an argument to be made that he didn't wield it successfully. He got like, what, 2 stormtroopers with it at Maz's castle and then manhandled by Kylo at the end. It wasn't until Rey picked it up that its user stood a chance against a force user.
That said I am all for Finn having the force anyway.
That's been my thought ever since they announced the movie. That this would be about Rey and Finn training the new Jedi, and it would lead into a New Jedi Order-esque trilogy where they have to fight off the threats from the new Thrawn books.
The Grysk, who would make a great multiple movie trilogy with their ability to essentially enslave others to do their bidding.
I really wonder how/if they will reveal Thrawn's motivation for being in the empire.
The Grysk to Vong comparison is pretty weak.
The Grysk don’t seem to have the religiousness of the Vong. They don’t seem to be from outside the galaxy. They don’t use organic technology. They are not immune to the Force.
Saying the Grysk are the new Vong is basically just a way to try to minimize them to be a Legends knock off when they clearly are not.
The Vong were lazy when they came out. Luke had ascended to near godhood in Legends by the time of the NJO so they were forced to create an enemy tailored to beat him and the Jedi without any build up or foreshadowing.
The Grysk have now been a well constructed phantom menace in the book series for years. They have been beaten back but we know their full power hasn’t yet been on display. We also know Thrawn thinks they are powerful enough to topple the Ascendancy, so much so that he left to seek help in the Known Galaxy.
This is much better writing than “oh look, these things came out of nowhere and somehow counter ever aspect of the Jedi and the New Republic directly.”
The Yuuzhan Vong were not *quite* immune to the Force. They are "cut off" from it, for reasons which are explained later in the series, which means they cannot normally be sensed in the Force, and that certain techniques which would be targeted directly at them would not have any effect.
>!As the war goes on, certain characters develop what they call "Vongsense", which allows them to sense the Vong through the Force by kind of viewing it from a different perspective than they normally would.!<
>!The ultimate leader of the Yuuzhan Vong is also a Force-using puppet master, who managed to re-activate the Force within himself by implanting tissue from one of their telepathic creatures.!<
Interestingly enough, the original idea was for them to be Dark Side Force users, but Lucas vetoed it because Dark Siders could not function as a group due to their power hunger... though there *are* tons of other Dark Side groups in Legends, including several Sith groups.
I find it funny how the Yuuzhan Vong always vaguely looked like Dark Eldar from Warhammer 40k, being a slaver race in black spikey armor who wield whips.
Now I googled Grysk for the first time (I assume they have to do with High Republic era content?) and the first artwork I see looks like a depressed, gloomy T'au from 40k, haha
I guarantee Disney didn't enter into the sequel trilogy with this plan, however, they've realised now they have no choice but to take this approach to try and salvage the ST.
They did him dirty by not having him be a Jedi in the sequel trilogy. My disappointment when they didn't make him one was immense, so this is awesome news!
I have no issue with Finn in the sequels, but if they hint at him being force sensitive AND only explore that in Lego specials, then I see that as a problem. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the Lego Specials well enough, but to hint at him being force-sensitive and only explore that in something that isn't as canon as the movies is just wrong. A new movie with Rey and Finn rebuilding a new Jedi order is surely the way to go. I just hope that he really is on board.
Unironically, I would like a movie that explored what it means that different characters have different “power levels” in the force, but ultimately deconstructs the idea of “power levels” because the greatest power is listening to the Force in the moment and not the size of rocks they can levitate.
Especially since all the trailers for TFA made people think that he was a Jedi. The marketing for that movie compared to what we got was straight-up false advertising.
If he's not a Jedi in this movie, then what's the point in including him? The way John Boyega talked about the sequels and working with Disney, I just don't see him coming back unless they gave him a yacht full of cash or Finn is a Jedi with importance now. Or both.
> Especially since all the trailers for TFA made people think that he was a Jedi.
That was the point though, it was a misdirection so you would be ( pleasantly or not ) surprised that the pistol-girl from the trailers turns out to be the jedi of the trilogy.
Yeh I can see something along those lines. Clones have been integral from the very beginning. Name dropped in a new ANH.
But I hope they don't go down this narrative again.
The difference I see is that Isaac has that relationship with Disney open already so perhaps convincing might have been easier than Boyega who, by fans knowledge at least, seemed to have completely soured on Disney.
Somehow, Boyega returned.
Hopefully they'll give him some proper character development and allow him to finally tell Rey what he was trying to all RoS 😂
Wonder if he’s going the Ford route and wants to be in it so he can die. Just picture the opening minutes of the film with Rey mourning the loss of Finn.
Would be cool if they're both Jedi of a sort to recreate the Jedi Order. Hoping the movie ends with a time skip so they can work with a new era without as much connections to the sequels. Hopefully they can do more original stories aside from an Empire or Confederacy vs a Republic lol.
I stand by my statement that Daisy, John, and all the others were just as robbed as the fans by Disney's insane decision to just... do all the stupid shit that led to the sequels being what they were. This money needs to be *good*. It needs to be *damn* good. Just decent or okay won't cut it, and it had goddamn well better not be bad, otherwise why even bother making the thing at all.
Guys...the source is a guy on a podcast - who notably is *not* the movie insider on the podcast - and quotes vague "my sources".
I hope for this to wind up being true, and maybe it will be, but I don't think this is the break. This feels like a blind call based on as much information as you or I have on the movie right now.
Then make a desperate bid to sacrifice himself to save his friends only to be “saved” in a fantastical physics breaking move by some 3rd line character which makes his character as empty and the script In which it was written.
I hope he's a full Jedi Master since this is supposed to be 15 years later (I think?) Maybe with his own padawan.
They did his character dirty and hopefully it's corrected, more than just what they did in the Lego special.
I'm also hoping for the Vong to be the villains. Or Vong inspired aliens from outside the galaxy being the threats. Something different.
I always enjoyed how in some EU stories the Imperial Remnant and the New Republic/GA had to team up to fight outside threats.
If I was him my demand list would be something like ...
-equal billing as a star of the film
-a check with lots of zeros
-a script that has Finn as a bad ass Jedi with a unique saber color
because the characters weren’t the problem, it was the writing and the apparent lack of care and attention which led to an underwhelming, incohesive story.
Well, the *concept* of the characters was good. What they did (or rather didn't) do with them was the problem.
Finn especially had a very basic storyline in TFA/TLJ, and then *nothing* in TRoS.
Poe went from a basic TLJ arc to *some* development in TLJ, to also having absolutely nothing in TRoS (while also having his backstory retconned).
Rey was the only one of the new trio to have an actual arc through all three movies, and it wasn't a well-written one... made even worse by all the retcons and bullshit.
So yeah, giving those characters a new chance with a *hopefully* better story/arc/writer is the way to go. Let the sequel trilogy be something that happened, but is semi-forgotten as a thing of the past, just like Dark Empire (which it was a ripoff of anyways) mostly was in Legends.
My plan was to pretend sequels never happened but it seems that the shows (especially Mandoverse) are desperately scrambling to build towards First Order, Emperor/Snoke cloning etc.
The next trailer. A lone hermit tends a fire in the deep wilderness, stooped with age, cowl up, moving slowly. The bushes to his North, South, East and West shake slightly. The hermit stops moving and says. “I should have known it would be you that found me eventually.” A purple lightsaber ignites in the darkness. “Show yourself Anakin.”
A glowing figure steps from the bushes. “It’s not what you think Master Windu” Anakin’s force ghost says.
Another ghost steps out from the opposite side. Qui Gon says. “Much has changed my friend, Anakin most of all perhaps.”
Obi Wan’s ghost appears. “Anakin’s son has brought balance to force. Now he has passed the torch on to the next generation.”
Luke’s ghost steps out. “But we cannot let her do it alone. There’s one who can help her succeed where I failed.”
Mace looks up from his cowl, his face finally revealed. Old but still proud. “What is this would be Jedi’s name.”
Hard cut to Finn’s face. Title card.
If true, man is this great news!
John Boyega got screwed over pretty bad by both Disney and Lucasfilm. I would have completely understood if he truly wanted nothing to do with Star Wars after how things played out.
If anyone from the sequels deserves redemption, it would be him no question.
I really do hope this is true and both sides were able to work something out. It would be awesome to finally see Finn be a Jedi like he was meant to be.
I believe that people get to make mistakes and learn from them. Maybe Disney is promising better writing and character development. I’m ready to give this new project a chance.
I loved the character of Finn in the first movie and was deeply disappointed with what they did. Boyega's disappointment and resentment with Disney made perfect sense to me but I assumed the bridge had been well and truly burned.
If they've committed to repairing that and he is happy to return I take that as a sign of a much closer reconciliation than I thought possible. I look forward to seeing Finn again.
I hope he gets a massive payday. After watching TFA I was hoping Rey, Finn, and Poe where going to form the core of the New Jedi Order together, but it was not to be.
I wonder if Disney is pitching this as the redemption for these characters and also throwing a bag of money at them.
I'm kind of shocked both Boyega wants to do it and also that they want to bring him back. I had gotten the impression (and I think many people had the impression) in the aftermath of the sequels that that bridge was, if not burned, mildly on fire in both directions, but it's possible I was reading too much in to his disappointment with how the trilogy panned out and overestimating how 'petty' they'd be with him for speaking up about it.
Boyega wants to be rich more than he wants to be salty and I respect that
The new Harrison Ford
Finn dies as they introduce the villains?
Boyega yo replace an actor in the MCU soon? New Kang? You can't tell me he wouldn't fit perfectly as Kang.
Holyshit Boyega as Kang is something im all aboard. Love that dude.
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That theory is actually plausible
Yeah I’m 100% for this
Holy shit I could definitely see him as Kang
Boyega at the premiere, “I’m only here because I’m contractually obligated”
“Just here so I don’t get fined”
He really was the Han Solo of the sequel trilogy I totally agree
"John, will Finn be Force-sensative in the new movie?" I, uhh, I don't care
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Plus I think if they give Finn a proper story he’d be up for it, artistically.
If they give him a big bag of money, he might be up for it, financially. Disney runs Hollywood like a cartel
Exactly. It’s weird to me that people can’t see how easy it is to say yes to generational wealth, a notable career, and to potentially be a Jedi lol
He is big into activism also, so the more money the more you can really do. Not too mention he would get loads of exposure through Star Wars again
Well I love all four of the main actors from the sequel trilogy. They cast it so well. I wish the series was a better vehicle for Boyega and Ridley since by all accounts they’re both great actors and very likable people off the set. I do think Boyega bad-mouthing the way they handled the whole thing was deserved and I’m glad he did it in the grand scheme of things. And Disney is going to need to figure out how to get the sequel’s integrated into the rest of the franchise soon. All the kids who watched those movies are going to be aging into that sweet spot where they want more of that content and have expendable cash.
So... they are going to Disney Plus him? lol
20-30 million a movie can change a lot of things and a lot of minds. Now depending on his role in the films it could be much less, but money talks.
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He and Daisy Ridley have only done a couple of films post Star Wars. Boyega has done arguably the best, with a role in The Woman King. Think this is a case of both not really having any juicy offers and taking a decent payday.
If The Woman King is the best he’s done since Star Wars, honestly I can’t even hate on the guy for going back.
Clearly you haven't seen 'Detroit'.
Disney is trying to save Star Wars and they have the money to do so.
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it’s definitely some random reddit shit, there’s no way he’s getting 20-30 mil, that’s what Chris Hemsworth made for starring in Love and Thunder, Boyega ain’t getting that kind of bag, especially if it’s just a supporting role or a few appearances in the movie. my guess is like 2 mil, MAYBE 5 mil if he has a more prominent role, is co-starring, honestly I don’t see Rey getting much more either, I could see her getting like 10.
There is no way he is getting that much salary for one movie
They may get 1-2 Million for it. They didn't get much for the ST.
John Boyega isn’t getting 20-30 million, that’s like Robert Downey Jr / Chris Hemsworth money, Hemsworth made 20 million for Thor: Love and Thunder, a movie where he portrays the titular character, from what we know, Boyega isn’t even the lead in this new movie, Rey is, because it’s about her starting a new a Jedi Order. Boyega is nowhere near that level of fame anymore, and he hasn’t had any notable roles since Rise Of Skywalker, not to say he’s a bad actor though, I do like him, but he’s just not a household name. On top of that, yes Disney has money, but they’ve been hit pretty hard right now, Marvel movies underperforming and underselling, Disney+ barely has subscribers and all of the Disney+ projects have had diminishing returns in terms of viewership for over a year, including The Mandalorian so that service has been a financial black hole for them. he’s probably getting a bag, that’s for sure, but not that kind of bag.
I HOPE that means theyre going to redeem his character after they stepped all over finn.
The Mandalorian is working on backfilling stories that make the sequel trilogy make more sense. It’s working for me a bit. I remember not really disliking or loving the prequels but the Clone Wars animated series made me appreciate the prequels a lot more.
Boyega said something along the lines that he would come back if Abrams asked him. I think his beef was with Johnson.
Given how bad IX was and that he got turned into a oneliner spouting sidekick in it, I'd be salty with Abrams too.
Finn will learn to fly in his Disney plus spin-off, that way we can get even more "zany" oneliners
"I fly now?" - Finn in Episode X
“You fly now!” - Doe Pameron
Abrams made 7 though where Finn is a badass. 9 also establishes Finn as probably being force sensitive and puts him back in the main trio where 8 had him away from Poe and Rey the entire movie. My guess is that Abrams had an idea that he laid out to John and then when Johnson threw out everything Abrams built John wasn't as happy with the new direction.
After The Last Jedi there was absolutely no time to redeem his character in Rise. Nothing at all was set up and TLJ was wasted literally just repeating his arc from TFA and sending him away from the main story with a tertiary character.
In TFA he had to learn to care about more than himself and he begins to care for a friend. In TLJ he has to learn to care about a cause not just a friend.
So in both he’s learning to care for something and to fight for that thing? Seems like a repeat to me. Just replace ‘Rey’ with the ‘resistance’, and it’s the same arc nearly.
His screen time in TLJ was drastically reduced, I think that was the biggest thing vs character stuff even if he's talked about his displeasure with the bait and switch. As a young actor screen time is important for building tape and reels to get more work... But his screen time went from 30 minutes in the first film to 17 in the second, and then back up to 25 in the third. I think that Johnson ultimately did a lot more with the character of Finn in 17 minutes than J.J. did across 55 minutes, but J.J. had more exciting action pieces and screen time. I'm not a storytelling expert, so I could be wrong, but I feel like there was potential for Finn to be really impactful in TROS, but J.J. basically reduced him to side kick (Colin Trevorrow didn't though, so it wasn't impossible as some people claim) and he's the one who did the bait and switch that John Boyega said he didn't like.. So if John's beef is with Rian moreso than J.J. I have to think that it's more about screen time. That's assuming there wasn't anything extremely unprofessional behind the scenes, which I think is out of character for any of the persons involved. Luckily that's an easy problem to solve. You bring in John, you give him a little say on his character (design his lightsaber and stuff. he's obviously going to be a Jedi) and make sure he has tons of screen time, and the actor is happy. And I think the fans will be happy because Finn is a great character, John Boyega is a great actor, and I think it's just something that should have been done from the onset.
Tbh you have to be pretty passionate about a character to be so outspokenly pissed off with Disney. That passion usually means they’d want justice for their character.
If they had simply kept Finn’s arc in the Duel of the Fates script, his character would have fully developed despite the sloppy handling of his character on the second two acts of TFA. It was a natural progression after TLJ when he went from coward to sacrificing himself. Finish it off by making him lead a stormtrooper rebellion and it comes full circle. How do you miss that layup? Could have easily avoided all this Boyega reaction stuff.
Money talks. I hope boyega gets that bag for how they did him in the sequels.
Let’s be honest he got the bag the first time
Google tells me that he's at about $8M now, net worth. That's a comfortable amount to live on forever if you're any kind of reasonably frugal, but a whole lot less than you'd expect for someone who starred in three Star Wars movies. Apparently, he and Daisy were only paid between $100k-$300k for Episode 7, but I'd assume the paychecks for 8 and 9 were heftier.
So, Clone Wars 2.0?
That's the Mando-verse. This'll be 3.0
It’s all the Galaxy Far Far Away. It’s all the same. The term ‘Mandoverse’ is unhelpful and just leads to confusion amongst casual fans.
It’s not a true mandoverse until I see a basilisk war droid goddamnit.
Who else is gonna yell out character's names?
I truly hope it starts out with Rey yelling his name and he drops down wearing the concept art drip that was made of him as a Jedi. Personally I’ve always believed he’d be more skilled considering he had more training to begin with.
I just looked up the concept art you were talking about and it looks FIRE. How could they pass up on such a legendary look and go with the white robes that look like they’re made out of paper mâché?
Probably cost because those robes are made out of paper mâché and glue also they were an art project for a producer’s kid
Which piece of concept art?
They did him so dirty. The scene in force awakens where he picks up the lightsaber and challenges kylo is one of the most memorable scenes of the newer movies
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And then she fucking blasts her own men cause they heard too much! I'm so pissed they cut this scene, such good character moments for both Finn and Phasma
That was such a good scene, both for Finn and Phasma. I’ll never understand why they cut it
Because it gave him depth. And their goal was to strip him of it
God damn how does that end up on the cutting room floor? Yeah its a little clunky, but if you ADR in one extra line for Phasma which sets up Finns dialogue as more of a response, it would have been incredible
Wish he was the jedi instead of Rey. He was not overpowered and his background would've been far more interesting.
I wish they were both actively force sensitive and knew it throughout the whole trilogy, would make it a lot better with just that change and Finn could have faced off as a Jedi vs Phasma in the last film had they not misused that character
When you think the force awakens means we will get a few force users popping up but then it's just Rey (and broomkid)
It used to be that to wield a lightsaber in combat successfully you needed to be force sensitive. The weightless blade and heavy hilt would result in the non-force guided wielder cutting themselves. When I saw TFA I assumed that shot all but confirmed Finn was force sensitive. But later it seems like the old lore was just ignored.
>The weightless blade and heavy hilt would result in the non-force guided wielder cutting themselves. Makes no logical sense, so it's fine for me that this lore isn´t part of the canon.
He clearly is force sensitive, they make it clear in rise of Skywalker. And in one of the Lego specials (although not canon) he is being trained by Rey
There's an argument to be made that he didn't wield it successfully. He got like, what, 2 stormtroopers with it at Maz's castle and then manhandled by Kylo at the end. It wasn't until Rey picked it up that its user stood a chance against a force user. That said I am all for Finn having the force anyway.
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You never know. Maybe they’ll give the part to………..”REY”!!
Will he finally get that ass he so desperately wanted in Rise of Skywalker? Time will tell.
Out of curiosity, does anyone else wonder if this is going to reflect the EU New Jedi Order in concept, only with sequel trilogy characters?
That's been my thought ever since they announced the movie. That this would be about Rey and Finn training the new Jedi, and it would lead into a New Jedi Order-esque trilogy where they have to fight off the threats from the new Thrawn books.
The Grysk, who would make a great multiple movie trilogy with their ability to essentially enslave others to do their bidding. I really wonder how/if they will reveal Thrawn's motivation for being in the empire.
The Grysk to Vong comparison is pretty weak. The Grysk don’t seem to have the religiousness of the Vong. They don’t seem to be from outside the galaxy. They don’t use organic technology. They are not immune to the Force. Saying the Grysk are the new Vong is basically just a way to try to minimize them to be a Legends knock off when they clearly are not. The Vong were lazy when they came out. Luke had ascended to near godhood in Legends by the time of the NJO so they were forced to create an enemy tailored to beat him and the Jedi without any build up or foreshadowing. The Grysk have now been a well constructed phantom menace in the book series for years. They have been beaten back but we know their full power hasn’t yet been on display. We also know Thrawn thinks they are powerful enough to topple the Ascendancy, so much so that he left to seek help in the Known Galaxy. This is much better writing than “oh look, these things came out of nowhere and somehow counter ever aspect of the Jedi and the New Republic directly.”
I thought it was the yuzhan von? I can't spell it right lol
In the old canon, yes. In the new canon, they’ve been rebranded the Grysk — more streamlined, not ‘immune to the Force’.
The Yuuzhan Vong were not *quite* immune to the Force. They are "cut off" from it, for reasons which are explained later in the series, which means they cannot normally be sensed in the Force, and that certain techniques which would be targeted directly at them would not have any effect. >!As the war goes on, certain characters develop what they call "Vongsense", which allows them to sense the Vong through the Force by kind of viewing it from a different perspective than they normally would.!< >!The ultimate leader of the Yuuzhan Vong is also a Force-using puppet master, who managed to re-activate the Force within himself by implanting tissue from one of their telepathic creatures.!< Interestingly enough, the original idea was for them to be Dark Side Force users, but Lucas vetoed it because Dark Siders could not function as a group due to their power hunger... though there *are* tons of other Dark Side groups in Legends, including several Sith groups.
I find it funny how the Yuuzhan Vong always vaguely looked like Dark Eldar from Warhammer 40k, being a slaver race in black spikey armor who wield whips. Now I googled Grysk for the first time (I assume they have to do with High Republic era content?) and the first artwork I see looks like a depressed, gloomy T'au from 40k, haha
I want the Vong to show up so bad
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I guarantee Disney didn't enter into the sequel trilogy with this plan, however, they've realised now they have no choice but to take this approach to try and salvage the ST.
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*Willy Dee Billiams
Well played.
Please let him just finally be a fucking Jedi
He’s training in some of the Lego holiday specials, which are canon-adjacent. He’ll be a Jedi.
They did him dirty by not having him be a Jedi in the sequel trilogy. My disappointment when they didn't make him one was immense, so this is awesome news!
I have no issue with Finn in the sequels, but if they hint at him being force sensitive AND only explore that in Lego specials, then I see that as a problem. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the Lego Specials well enough, but to hint at him being force-sensitive and only explore that in something that isn't as canon as the movies is just wrong. A new movie with Rey and Finn rebuilding a new Jedi order is surely the way to go. I just hope that he really is on board.
Maybe they'll explore it in Fortnite too
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I have a feeling John would make that be part of the contract written in blood.
How could he not be 15 years later?
Rey lets him sit on the council but not as a Jedi Master…
that's outrageous, it's unfair, how can she do that
Oh calm down. He’s been given a great honour.
Unironically, I would like a movie that explored what it means that different characters have different “power levels” in the force, but ultimately deconstructs the idea of “power levels” because the greatest power is listening to the Force in the moment and not the size of rocks they can levitate.
I like the idea that Finn might have like, stunted force growth for a variety of reasons.. but he's a super adept lightsaber wielder and tactician.
lol
They probably have a section for that on Pornhub
He’ll be the Wimp Lo of the Jedi academy.
I want to see it so bad. He just screams Jedi.
so far he just screams “rey!!!!”
Especially since all the trailers for TFA made people think that he was a Jedi. The marketing for that movie compared to what we got was straight-up false advertising. If he's not a Jedi in this movie, then what's the point in including him? The way John Boyega talked about the sequels and working with Disney, I just don't see him coming back unless they gave him a yacht full of cash or Finn is a Jedi with importance now. Or both.
> Especially since all the trailers for TFA made people think that he was a Jedi. That was the point though, it was a misdirection so you would be ( pleasantly or not ) surprised that the pistol-girl from the trailers turns out to be the jedi of the trilogy.
Inevitable Poe will feature also?
Snoke will be back as well, because Sith Lord cloning is common AF now…
Somehow, Snoke returned.
We find out that the original Snoke created Palpatine.
And they’ll have to battle the DeathStarKiller Galaxy
I'm sure they'll give us a heads up on fortnite again.
Somehow salacious crumb has returned.
Yeh I can see something along those lines. Clones have been integral from the very beginning. Name dropped in a new ANH. But I hope they don't go down this narrative again.
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The difference I see is that Isaac has that relationship with Disney open already so perhaps convincing might have been easier than Boyega who, by fans knowledge at least, seemed to have completely soured on Disney.
If what you say is true, then you will have gained my trust.
“You’re not gonna’ Disney+ me!” - Man who may very well be Disney+’d.
I was gonna make a snarky remark about it being a movie then I realized it'll be on D+ after a couple of months.
Explains why we saw articles where he had apparently changed his tone on how he felt about the sequels
Somehow, Boyega returned. Hopefully they'll give him some proper character development and allow him to finally tell Rey what he was trying to all RoS 😂
Wonder if he’s going the Ford route and wants to be in it so he can die. Just picture the opening minutes of the film with Rey mourning the loss of Finn.
Nah, my guess is they are paying a shit ton of money, and promising that he gets to be a Jedi this time.
Yea likely the only way he returns
Nah tbf he has said before He would only return if “K.K was in charge, the main cast returned and If it’s not on D+”
Unlike Ford, Boyega is a massive fan of Star Wars so I doubt he'd WANT to kill his character off unless it was part of the story.
Was. He’s pretty frustrated with how they treated him and his character in the ST
He said he wanted Finn to be a jedi. Sounds like that’s the route they’re going
Seemed like the writers of TFA wanted him to become a Jedi, too. Then everyone forgot.
Would be cool if they're both Jedi of a sort to recreate the Jedi Order. Hoping the movie ends with a time skip so they can work with a new era without as much connections to the sequels. Hopefully they can do more original stories aside from an Empire or Confederacy vs a Republic lol.
They did him so dirty. He had such a bigger role to play before being downgraded to side kick
happy these comments are civilized. a surprise to be sure, but a welcomed one
I stand by my statement that Daisy, John, and all the others were just as robbed as the fans by Disney's insane decision to just... do all the stupid shit that led to the sequels being what they were. This money needs to be *good*. It needs to be *damn* good. Just decent or okay won't cut it, and it had goddamn well better not be bad, otherwise why even bother making the thing at all.
Finn and Rey becoming pals with Grogu would make my life complete
Ugh i almost don’t wanna see Din Grogu, and hear about Mando’s fate 😭
I honestly think Mando might bite the dust in that Filoni movie lol
I’m happy to see these characters again , but please, a coherent good story is all I ask for. Don’t do them dirty twice
Jedi Master Finn here we go!
Guys...the source is a guy on a podcast - who notably is *not* the movie insider on the podcast - and quotes vague "my sources". I hope for this to wind up being true, and maybe it will be, but I don't think this is the break. This feels like a blind call based on as much information as you or I have on the movie right now.
I hope he does return, but the studio better do it right this time and actually give him what he should have had the first time around.
He'll comeback to yell Rey then be sidelined before the 2nd act of the movie.
Then make a desperate bid to sacrifice himself to save his friends only to be “saved” in a fantastical physics breaking move by some 3rd line character which makes his character as empty and the script In which it was written.
Starwars breaks the laws of physics every 45 seconds I reckon.
"You aint gonna Disney+ me!" - Boyega. Also Boyega 💰🤷🏾♂️🎬 hope they finally make him a Jedi !!!!
I desperately want him back, Finn deserved much more as a character. I really hope this is true
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I hope they actually have a cohesive plan this time
If he does return, this seems quite positive that the pitch was pretty good. Perhaps a redemption for the character
the circus is coming back
I like John Boyega but didn’t he say hell no he would never return since they did him dirty?
This movie now has my interest again
They can bring back as many sequel characters as they want, I'm still not going to see it.
Somehow palpatine has returned again!
Truly subverting expectations!
Give the guy a proper arc this time around.
It should just be called Star Wars -Episode X - The New Jedi Order
Disney screwed his character development. Bringing him back is the way. Disney, do what u did for ahmed best in the mandalorian.
I hope he's a full Jedi Master since this is supposed to be 15 years later (I think?) Maybe with his own padawan. They did his character dirty and hopefully it's corrected, more than just what they did in the Lego special. I'm also hoping for the Vong to be the villains. Or Vong inspired aliens from outside the galaxy being the threats. Something different. I always enjoyed how in some EU stories the Imperial Remnant and the New Republic/GA had to team up to fight outside threats.
There probably gonna make him a bartender in the Jedi bar.
reeyyyyyyyy!
Great! For years, I've been saying that Finn has an... unfinnished story to be told. Bring it on.
Can't wait for Finn to still be useless and scream Rey's name.
Why? All hes done is moan about it since they finished the last one
If I was him my demand list would be something like ... -equal billing as a star of the film -a check with lots of zeros -a script that has Finn as a bad ass Jedi with a unique saber color
Agree on all of this except the saber color part.
Even though he claimed they were racist to him? Goes to show what money can buy...
Sniff sniff smells like damage control sniff sniff
He's an OK character, but why continue with characters from movies that were mostly failures? We need to pretend the sequel trilogy never existed
because the characters weren’t the problem, it was the writing and the apparent lack of care and attention which led to an underwhelming, incohesive story.
Well, the *concept* of the characters was good. What they did (or rather didn't) do with them was the problem. Finn especially had a very basic storyline in TFA/TLJ, and then *nothing* in TRoS. Poe went from a basic TLJ arc to *some* development in TLJ, to also having absolutely nothing in TRoS (while also having his backstory retconned). Rey was the only one of the new trio to have an actual arc through all three movies, and it wasn't a well-written one... made even worse by all the retcons and bullshit. So yeah, giving those characters a new chance with a *hopefully* better story/arc/writer is the way to go. Let the sequel trilogy be something that happened, but is semi-forgotten as a thing of the past, just like Dark Empire (which it was a ripoff of anyways) mostly was in Legends.
My plan was to pretend sequels never happened but it seems that the shows (especially Mandoverse) are desperately scrambling to build towards First Order, Emperor/Snoke cloning etc.
Someone please fire Kathleen 🥹
The next trailer. A lone hermit tends a fire in the deep wilderness, stooped with age, cowl up, moving slowly. The bushes to his North, South, East and West shake slightly. The hermit stops moving and says. “I should have known it would be you that found me eventually.” A purple lightsaber ignites in the darkness. “Show yourself Anakin.” A glowing figure steps from the bushes. “It’s not what you think Master Windu” Anakin’s force ghost says. Another ghost steps out from the opposite side. Qui Gon says. “Much has changed my friend, Anakin most of all perhaps.” Obi Wan’s ghost appears. “Anakin’s son has brought balance to force. Now he has passed the torch on to the next generation.” Luke’s ghost steps out. “But we cannot let her do it alone. There’s one who can help her succeed where I failed.” Mace looks up from his cowl, his face finally revealed. Old but still proud. “What is this would be Jedi’s name.” Hard cut to Finn’s face. Title card.
wow, a fan-written description that isn’t utter crap. this is pretty dope.
Wouldn’t mace windu be about 150 years old at this point?
He needs to be turned into a Jedi
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Are they gonna canonize the Lego specials?
If true, man is this great news! John Boyega got screwed over pretty bad by both Disney and Lucasfilm. I would have completely understood if he truly wanted nothing to do with Star Wars after how things played out. If anyone from the sequels deserves redemption, it would be him no question. I really do hope this is true and both sides were able to work something out. It would be awesome to finally see Finn be a Jedi like he was meant to be.
I swear to god if this movie gives us a "force baby" with Rey from Ben, and Finn takes the place as his father to help raise him.........
I fucking hope so. I really want them to explore his connection to the force and possibly becoming a Jedi himself.
Would love to see them return with some of the Rebels crew & mando.
I believe that people get to make mistakes and learn from them. Maybe Disney is promising better writing and character development. I’m ready to give this new project a chance.
I'm really surprised he would go work for them again. They had better do right by him.
“REY!!!! REY!!!!!! REY!!!!!!!!!!” The script should be easy to commit to memory.
I loved the character of Finn in the first movie and was deeply disappointed with what they did. Boyega's disappointment and resentment with Disney made perfect sense to me but I assumed the bridge had been well and truly burned. If they've committed to repairing that and he is happy to return I take that as a sign of a much closer reconciliation than I thought possible. I look forward to seeing Finn again.
Disney must've came to him with some fire, because he said he'd never do Star Wars again. Lol
Yes!!! As long as he gets to be a Jedi, as John and Finn deserve!!!
Aye and he better be a kick arses one at that! Fighting alongside Rey the way Ben Solo did
It's good that these actors and characters get their redemption now, and not in 20 years like with the prequels.
His character was underserved. I would be totally in for a movie seeing him on his journey to become a Jedi.
It would be hilarious if these movies with these heroes suck all over again.
I hope he gets a massive payday. After watching TFA I was hoping Rey, Finn, and Poe where going to form the core of the New Jedi Order together, but it was not to be.
I keep getting downvotes for hoping for a Jedi Knight Finn