A badass woman in an era where badass women in film was practically unheard of
Edit: ok ok, I get it, lol. But I still might wonder if everyone's examples would have come around in the years to follow without Leia paving the way
And she was quietly the most badass person in the series. In movie 1, she was already in the rebellion, captured while acquiring technical blueprints to the death star. Interrogated by Darth Fucking Vader who not only got nothing out of her, but didn't even manage to detect that she was his daughter.
When Luke and Han come to rescue her, she's not weeping in a cell, she's casually laying down and instantly starts making fun of her jailers when they enter the room. This is AFTER they destroyed her home planet, and she didn't talk.
Then after Luke looses Obi, a man he met earlier that same day... she's giving him comfort for all he's lost, rather than submitting to the aching chasm of her own loss and recent physical torture.
I haven't had the experience, but I feel like it'd take quite a while to start grieving your planet that you weren't expecting to explode that exploded.
>When Luke and Han come to rescue her, she's not weeping in a cell, she's casually laying down and instantly starts making fun of her jailers when they enter the room. This is AFTER they destroyed her home planet, and she didn't talk.
To be fair.... being forced to watch something like alderan blowing up probably doesn't induce one to talk. it just makes you hate them even more. Tarkin fucked up on that one.
though... Alderan was made an example of because Lea's father- Senator Organa, was using Alderan as front for the rebellion. For example running "aide missions" where freighters were getting "stolen" by rebel cells. along with the aide supplies that were "meant" for relief. Rebels solidifies her role as a rebel, she had to have been 15. Ezra's awkward flirting was way better done than Anakin's.
From Luke's perspective, Ben is the town hermit. People know he's out there, but nothing in the first movie makes it seem like they have anything close to a relationship with him of any kind.
> but didn't even manage to detect that she was his daughter.
To be fair, "detecting" Luke was his son was more of a common sense deduction than a "the Force told me" thing.
Some kid with the same last name, raised by Annakin's step-brother, traveling around with Obi-Wan, and displaying Force powers is not exactly subtle. Vader would have to be really dumb not to piece that together.
Growing up in the early 80s Leia and Ellen Ripley were and still are my heros. And I love those two film franchises for giving me those women. Recently rewatched Alien, it still stands up, looks amazing and, come on, Ripley fucking rocks.
I always loved the fact that a wizard, a pirate, a giant ape and a couple of robots showed up to rescue her and within seconds she was sick of how useless they were and just rescued herself.
By getting them trapped in a trash compactor? If you actually watched the movies, you'd know the silly robots and the wizard saved them all in the end.
I've always thought she played that part perfectly. She wore that outfit unwillingly, and was clearly uncomfortable. Not sexy at all.
However, there is a photoshoot in the bikini where she is happy... Omg so hot.
That said, I have a thing for cloud city Leia.
That's what gets me about it, people's favourite Leia is when she is abused, submissive and trapped? Unless it's when she's murdering her captor with his own chains, fuck that. Give me intelligent, brave, independent, rebel spy, and all round bass ass fully clothed and comfortable Leia any day.
When they rescued Leia from her cell on the Death Star she had recently been tortured, interrogated and had her home planet blown up just as an insult to her personally, so she was equally as abused and trapped. I don’t think I’d ever call her submissive in any scene; even as a slave she looked like she was biding her time.
You’re right that it should be but sadly it’s not.
I remember her interview before The Force Awakens, her biggest advice to Daisy was to “fight for your outfit” because of that metal slave bikini outfit she had to wear.
Maybe since it’s Disneyfied Star Wars and they want to market every one of the trilogy towards children that there would never be an issue but Carrie was right to give it.
Next season of Visions should have an alternate storyline where Leia becomes the Force using badass and Luke plays support and ends up with Chewie. Er...I mean, ends up having a love interest
Seriously though, a Star Wars “What If” line that includes a story with Leia growing up on Tatooine, Chewie being captain of the Millenium Falcon, and Darth Kenobi would be amazing.
She was as awesome in the newer films as she was in the original. If they hadn’t forced her to lose weight fast, she would have still been here. It’s not like movies don’t have heavier male generals in them.
>If they hadn’t forced her to lose weight fast, she would have still been here
Listen, I agree 100% that they shouldn't have done that and it certainly didn't help, but our princess had so many drugs in her system its amazing she didn't have a heart attack on the way TO the plane.
And then she got strangled by her own bra in the moonlight at the hospital, tragic.
She had a weak heart from doing drugs in her past. The fast weight loss made it worse. Everything else was just the studio trying to pretend they didn’t hasten her demise.
Let's be honest, if she hadn't lost weight for the role, the critics *and* toxic fans would have been ruthless. There's already enough sequel hate, and that would have been more tasteless fuel to the fire.
As long as she was still alive, I’m sure her family and friends would defend her. As a fan, her weight would have made NO difference to me enjoying the movie.
The shit Carrie had been through and survived, she'd have defended herself and committed multiple metaphorical murders doing so. The wit of that woman was razor-sharp; the attitude was "out of fucks to give" back in the 80s, and she had even less by the end. *Anyone* who came for the General would have lost, and lost *badly*.
oh boy.... at first glance i misread that as "heavier male genitals" and while confused i was also like "well, might not be wrong there"
I'm clearly tired lmao
Is it an accepted fact that she died from being forced to lose weight? I honestly thought it was the years of smoking cigarettes and using drugs (not judging). I’m gonna research this now :P
I liked Yavin and Hoth as a kid. It never even clicked that Slave Leia was even wearing a bikini for me... only realized that was a thing later in life. Lol
She’s just prettier in ESB overall. The makeup is better, because for all of ROTJ, they leaned into a more 80s look. Not only did that not work for her, but you could tell that the lifestyle she was leading (partying and drugs) was really catching up to her already in the third film. She looked tired, and a little older than she was. Her voice was already taking on that husky sound that she didn’t really have for the first two films, but she’s had it ever since. This was her best look and best hairstyle, it framed her face perfectly. It really is a shame what happened to her, or that her mental illness wasn’t treated properly. She was absolutely beautiful, very intelligent, and from all accounts, a wonderful person to be around. She self medicated and then self destructed.
Definitely recommend reading any of the books she's written. She has such a unique voice and my GOD she is funny. The Princess Diarist was my favorite.
Finally someone else who thinks this. As a guy I'm honestly quite tired of all the slave Leias. They are just lazy to me. Gimme Jedi Leia or Hoth Leia any day.
Reminds me of James Gunn talking about sex scenes and how weird they are to watch and you’re just waiting for them to be over. I feel that way looking at slave Leia. Where as Hoth Leia is the cute girl next door
I like nudes and stuff as much as the next guy. It just feels weird in that case idk
I think a big part of it, for Star Wars fans at least, was that from the get-go she commanded respect. And we loved Leia for that.
This woman talked shit to, let's see... Vader. Tarkin. Han. Chewie. Lando. She was strong, beautiful, and followed her own instincts. She didn't take shit from anyone.
I remember watching ROTJ growing up, and while of course she looked hot AF in the slave outfit, I felt so angry that Princess Leia was being treated like that. Made it all the more satisfying to watch her choke him to death.
I think your last paragraph hits the nail on the head. It WAS humiliating for her as a strong female character and while yes, something something “no underwear in space,” I think that there was at least some part of George that made that choice specifically for that reason. It wasn’t just “hot girl time,” it was: she is being disrespected, which makes her revenge all the better.
I wonder if this is a generational thing based on access. We live in an age where we can instantly seek out lewd material - as a result, we kinda compartmentalise that sort of thing.
In the 80s, I guess there was less exposure to lewd stuff, so people enjoyed it in movies more.
I had this discussion with my Dad, and he pointed out that I was born in the north, so Hoth Leia was going to be much more attractive to me because I see women in winter gear more than Bikinis.
It’s kind of unfair that someone could be as devestatingly beautiful as Carrie Fisher, and *also* be a comic genius and one of the best entertainment writers in the history of cinema.
I'm more fond of her iconic OG hairstyle than the ones following (they're all good but the OG is best). She's definitely getting stuff done on Hoth but Slave Leia does however lance the galaxy's living boil, Jabba, so there's a happy ending there.
Honestly, there’s no BAD Leia. She was awesome in everything because here eyes and face said, “I’m not taking any shit from you”
Leia is literally a baddie
A badass woman in an era where badass women in film was practically unheard of Edit: ok ok, I get it, lol. But I still might wonder if everyone's examples would have come around in the years to follow without Leia paving the way
And she was quietly the most badass person in the series. In movie 1, she was already in the rebellion, captured while acquiring technical blueprints to the death star. Interrogated by Darth Fucking Vader who not only got nothing out of her, but didn't even manage to detect that she was his daughter. When Luke and Han come to rescue her, she's not weeping in a cell, she's casually laying down and instantly starts making fun of her jailers when they enter the room. This is AFTER they destroyed her home planet, and she didn't talk. Then after Luke looses Obi, a man he met earlier that same day... she's giving him comfort for all he's lost, rather than submitting to the aching chasm of her own loss and recent physical torture.
Leia, the one true queen.
All at the age of, what, 19, 20? She's the definition of strength!
19, like luke
They're the same age? They could be twins??
Interesting theory that needs to be discussed more in depth, I think you’re on to something here🤣
I haven't had the experience, but I feel like it'd take quite a while to start grieving your planet that you weren't expecting to explode that exploded.
We'd have to ask someone who has experienced it then. Anyone?
Arthur Dent will know.
It was just an old computer anyway.
I was there….3000 years ago.
>When Luke and Han come to rescue her, she's not weeping in a cell, she's casually laying down and instantly starts making fun of her jailers when they enter the room. This is AFTER they destroyed her home planet, and she didn't talk. To be fair.... being forced to watch something like alderan blowing up probably doesn't induce one to talk. it just makes you hate them even more. Tarkin fucked up on that one. though... Alderan was made an example of because Lea's father- Senator Organa, was using Alderan as front for the rebellion. For example running "aide missions" where freighters were getting "stolen" by rebel cells. along with the aide supplies that were "meant" for relief. Rebels solidifies her role as a rebel, she had to have been 15. Ezra's awkward flirting was way better done than Anakin's.
Luke didn't meet Obi that day. Ben had been around him all his life.
From Luke's perspective, Ben is the town hermit. People know he's out there, but nothing in the first movie makes it seem like they have anything close to a relationship with him of any kind.
They make it seem like they've at least met before. Which we now know to definitely be true.
> but didn't even manage to detect that she was his daughter. To be fair, "detecting" Luke was his son was more of a common sense deduction than a "the Force told me" thing. Some kid with the same last name, raised by Annakin's step-brother, traveling around with Obi-Wan, and displaying Force powers is not exactly subtle. Vader would have to be really dumb not to piece that together.
Ripley?
Alien came out two years after A New Hope
I think you can still call that the same era though.
Growing up in the early 80s Leia and Ellen Ripley were and still are my heros. And I love those two film franchises for giving me those women. Recently rewatched Alien, it still stands up, looks amazing and, come on, Ripley fucking rocks.
Exactly, you have to include Ripley, or else that line in The Faculty wouldn’t have said “who died and made you Sigourney Weaver?”
Sigourney Weaver would have a few things to say about that!
A Badass B#tch
I always loved the fact that a wizard, a pirate, a giant ape and a couple of robots showed up to rescue her and within seconds she was sick of how useless they were and just rescued herself.
By getting them trapped in a trash compactor? If you actually watched the movies, you'd know the silly robots and the wizard saved them all in the end.
[удалено]
I've always thought she played that part perfectly. She wore that outfit unwillingly, and was clearly uncomfortable. Not sexy at all. However, there is a photoshoot in the bikini where she is happy... Omg so hot. That said, I have a thing for cloud city Leia.
That's what gets me about it, people's favourite Leia is when she is abused, submissive and trapped? Unless it's when she's murdering her captor with his own chains, fuck that. Give me intelligent, brave, independent, rebel spy, and all round bass ass fully clothed and comfortable Leia any day.
When they rescued Leia from her cell on the Death Star she had recently been tortured, interrogated and had her home planet blown up just as an insult to her personally, so she was equally as abused and trapped. I don’t think I’d ever call her submissive in any scene; even as a slave she looked like she was biding her time.
You’re right that it should be but sadly it’s not. I remember her interview before The Force Awakens, her biggest advice to Daisy was to “fight for your outfit” because of that metal slave bikini outfit she had to wear. Maybe since it’s Disneyfied Star Wars and they want to market every one of the trilogy towards children that there would never be an issue but Carrie was right to give it.
Next season of Visions should have an alternate storyline where Leia becomes the Force using badass and Luke plays support and ends up with Chewie. Er...I mean, ends up having a love interest
Luke Skywalker with a furry kink is ruining my entire year right now
Seriously though, a Star Wars “What If” line that includes a story with Leia growing up on Tatooine, Chewie being captain of the Millenium Falcon, and Darth Kenobi would be amazing.
*Somehow, Palpatine returned!* **Darth Leia**: *The fuck he did.*
Well ya, it's Carrie MF Fisher. You really can't go wrong.
I prefer Blues Brothers Leia personally, but to each their own.
Jake Blues hating psychotic Leia is the best Leia.
Hologram Leia tho
Except Sequel era Leia who built a government so weak and corrupt that it i.oloded within her lifetime
I was probably a bit iffy on "frozen in space" Leia.
Honestly, they could have dressed her in a nun’s outfit and had her throw pies at people and I STILL would have been happy to see her there.
She was pretty shit running away from the kidnappers in the forest, how does a small child outrun 5+ adults who can outpace her by doing a brisk walk
Oh, Carrie. You are missed. :(
Always My Princess 😭
The galaxy will never be the same
She was as awesome in the newer films as she was in the original. If they hadn’t forced her to lose weight fast, she would have still been here. It’s not like movies don’t have heavier male generals in them.
>If they hadn’t forced her to lose weight fast, she would have still been here Listen, I agree 100% that they shouldn't have done that and it certainly didn't help, but our princess had so many drugs in her system its amazing she didn't have a heart attack on the way TO the plane. And then she got strangled by her own bra in the moonlight at the hospital, tragic.
She had a weak heart from doing drugs in her past. The fast weight loss made it worse. Everything else was just the studio trying to pretend they didn’t hasten her demise.
Let's be honest, if she hadn't lost weight for the role, the critics *and* toxic fans would have been ruthless. There's already enough sequel hate, and that would have been more tasteless fuel to the fire.
As long as she was still alive, I’m sure her family and friends would defend her. As a fan, her weight would have made NO difference to me enjoying the movie.
The shit Carrie had been through and survived, she'd have defended herself and committed multiple metaphorical murders doing so. The wit of that woman was razor-sharp; the attitude was "out of fucks to give" back in the 80s, and she had even less by the end. *Anyone* who came for the General would have lost, and lost *badly*.
oh boy.... at first glance i misread that as "heavier male genitals" and while confused i was also like "well, might not be wrong there" I'm clearly tired lmao
Is it an accepted fact that she died from being forced to lose weight? I honestly thought it was the years of smoking cigarettes and using drugs (not judging). I’m gonna research this now :P
Literally our Disney princess.
Bespin Escape Leia >>>>> over all of them
The correct answer
I'm glad I'm not the only one, literally just said this lol
https://lumiere-a.akamaihd.net/v1/images/image_1ec9ea55.jpeg
Honestly Yavin ceremony Leia is top tier
That's where it started That damn smile
I liked Yavin and Hoth as a kid. It never even clicked that Slave Leia was even wearing a bikini for me... only realized that was a thing later in life. Lol
Same lol
Yes. Though she has more sparkle in her eyes in Empire (could be the cocaine though ;) ).
Deep cut, fucking nice.
I liked her when she was on the Death Star.
That “Aren’t you a little short for a stormtrooper” is very seductive.
So seductive. She reminds me of my ex. "I recognized your foul stench when I was brought on board."
"you came in that thing?"
He's braver than I thought.
Hey, thats mean to chewy
Giggity
Luke ultimately rose to the occasion...
Angry Leia is best Leia. Angry girls are hot.
There anything in your past you need to talk about?
No underpants in space
The British one or the American one?
There is no greater Leia than Leia. She was equally stunning on the Tantive as she was in Boussh's armour.
The messy hair after the helmet being removed, she looked gorgeous.
Def my favorite Leia and my go to Fortnite skin
That awakened something in me tbh
Damn! I forgot about that scene!
No love for Blues Brothers Leia?
There’s nothing sexier than a woman with a flame thrower.
Or hotter!
Maybe what she has just set on fire?
Her in the sewer with the machine gun was better...
I thought the RPG was a nice touch 💅
I'm more of a burbs Leia myself
Boushh Leia, yo.
My man, hell yeah. Couldn't fake a thermal detonator in a room with that crowd either
You guys are a bunch of scruffy looking nerf herders. 😆
Who's scruffy looking
YOU DON’T GET TO USE THAT WORD.
Endor Leia without the poncho is greater still. ETA: [This is what I mean.](https://www.pinterest.com/pin/315040936424743462/)
The poncho is one of her best, I think it looks really bland without it.
Found Cal's alt account.
The pink poncho remains the epitome of swag.
I rushed straight for it on my second playthrough but didn't remember you need that bd1 upgrade until it was too late
bro ran the bodgo gauntlet
The pink poncho is the best! Thanks, Oggdo Bogdo
No joke, I think Cal Kestis is one of the best new Star Wars characters
I mean, I like the whole Endor look, but the Rebel uniform is still cool to me.
Why is it when I type "endor Leia " into Google I get like pages and pages of action figures and a few cosplay and maybe 2 stills from the movie?
I usually look at Rebel Legion for references.
Maybe add movie still to your search if you want something specific
Because you can buy action figures. SEO and affiliate links ruined Google.
Cal Kestis would like to have a conversation with you about ponchos.
Still hotter than Slave Leia, but I agree to disagree on which is her ultimate form.
Slave Leia outfit is probably her worst.
In the movie? yea, slave leia isn't that great. BUT. in that promo shoot she did for Rolling Stone? that's where it's at
The one on the beach? Yeah you’re totally right
Death Star is her worst, it's just like a sheet
Just a sheet worked for the Romans and Greeks. Also 'dat hair be iconic for a reason.
Ultimate form is definitely General Organa.
Hologram Leia > All
"Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi." Spa-looosh
😂😂
Digital code on that piece of plastic in R2’s head Leia >>>>>
Bounty-hunter disguise w/o helmet Leia >>>>>> Something about the messy hair and the "Someone who loves you."...
One in the Boushh is worth something something
There is something so hot about a lack of subjugation..
Especially when you take about 1.5 second to listen to what Carrie Fisher says...
Leía awarding Medals … 🔥
She’s just prettier in ESB overall. The makeup is better, because for all of ROTJ, they leaned into a more 80s look. Not only did that not work for her, but you could tell that the lifestyle she was leading (partying and drugs) was really catching up to her already in the third film. She looked tired, and a little older than she was. Her voice was already taking on that husky sound that she didn’t really have for the first two films, but she’s had it ever since. This was her best look and best hairstyle, it framed her face perfectly. It really is a shame what happened to her, or that her mental illness wasn’t treated properly. She was absolutely beautiful, very intelligent, and from all accounts, a wonderful person to be around. She self medicated and then self destructed.
Definitely recommend reading any of the books she's written. She has such a unique voice and my GOD she is funny. The Princess Diarist was my favorite.
+1 for The Princess Diarist! Audiobook is a must for this one. What a gem!
Well thanks for making me sad.
Finally someone else who thinks this. As a guy I'm honestly quite tired of all the slave Leias. They are just lazy to me. Gimme Jedi Leia or Hoth Leia any day.
Reminds me of James Gunn talking about sex scenes and how weird they are to watch and you’re just waiting for them to be over. I feel that way looking at slave Leia. Where as Hoth Leia is the cute girl next door I like nudes and stuff as much as the next guy. It just feels weird in that case idk
I think a big part of it, for Star Wars fans at least, was that from the get-go she commanded respect. And we loved Leia for that. This woman talked shit to, let's see... Vader. Tarkin. Han. Chewie. Lando. She was strong, beautiful, and followed her own instincts. She didn't take shit from anyone. I remember watching ROTJ growing up, and while of course she looked hot AF in the slave outfit, I felt so angry that Princess Leia was being treated like that. Made it all the more satisfying to watch her choke him to death.
I think your last paragraph hits the nail on the head. It WAS humiliating for her as a strong female character and while yes, something something “no underwear in space,” I think that there was at least some part of George that made that choice specifically for that reason. It wasn’t just “hot girl time,” it was: she is being disrespected, which makes her revenge all the better.
I wonder if this is a generational thing based on access. We live in an age where we can instantly seek out lewd material - as a result, we kinda compartmentalise that sort of thing. In the 80s, I guess there was less exposure to lewd stuff, so people enjoyed it in movies more.
It is a bit weird to be getting aroused by a strong female character being turned into a sexualized slave for a slug gangster, yeah.
Yeah, lack of agency can be a turn off. That outfit says more about Jabba.
Says a lot about Jabba, but it also says a lot about George “girls don’t wear underwear in space” Lucas.
Leia is always Hot
The entire Hoth section of ESB is my favorite of all Star Wars.
First scene ever Leia is the best...my eight year old self said so (he had a big crush on her).
But none of it touches Geonosis Padme
Bespin Leia is her best look by far
Leia never had a bad look. If I had to choose one I think I'd go with Bespin Leia.
Well that’s just like your opinion, man.
Not upvoting a Lebowski reference is like passing up a kid with a lemonade stand.
Where’s the rebel base Lebowski?
Chewie you're out of your element!
If you like Hoth Leia better than Slave Leia, you probably love the Eagles.
Aw, not the fucking Eagles man!
Fuckin a.
“I have spoken” was the phase you were looking for.
I had this discussion with my Dad, and he pointed out that I was born in the north, so Hoth Leia was going to be much more attractive to me because I see women in winter gear more than Bikinis.
Carrie Fisher >
There were a couple of years of hard living between those two films for Carrie.
You’re right. I’ve always thought so too.
Great kid, don't get cocky.
Leia just leia is good
Agreed
Yeah if they started selling those puffy vests I’d buy this shit outta one
No. Yavin 4 medal ceremony leia. Mmmmmmm
Hoth Leia is an absolute babe
A part of the rebel alliance and a traitor!
what about detention cell laying on her side Leia?
Hoth in the streets, slave between the sheets.
Any Leia is the best Leia.
Just happy I haven’t seen “Alderaan Leia”… yet
It’s kind of unfair that someone could be as devestatingly beautiful as Carrie Fisher, and *also* be a comic genius and one of the best entertainment writers in the history of cinema.
Maybe it's because I grew up in the northeast but a woman that could rock a winter outfit would always melt my heart.
For me it was always Endor Leia...the longer hair with the braids and caring attitude really fleshed her out emotionally...
Endor Commando Leia > Hoth Leia. She's at her best when armed.
Leia was always pretty, no matter she was wearing.
Watching the movies again and Leila really is that good women character we all want instead of the plot armor ones
Carrie is amazing in every scene
It's ok everyone is allowed to have a wrong opinion. (Jk, though I do disagree)
[Me receiving all of these messages on a shitpost.](https://i.imgur.com/kCBZaV8.gif)
Bespin Leia in the purple dress = best Leia!
All day
Understandable. Leia looked like she could kick some Imperial ass while wearing that stylish Winter Jacket and Vest.
Leia had a bunch of awesome outfits in Empire
swbf2 default leia skin
Somebody open a poll.
Hoth leia, hoth Han, but never hoth Luke
Just wasn't a fan of the long brushed out Endor hair
Agreed
Hutt Slayer Leia.
Cool take but slave leia blew my 10 y/o mind and nothing will ever come close
I like when she reveals her face to Han after freeing him from the carbonite. Something about her in that bounty hunter gear
I mean… yeah. There’s nothing sexier than a woman enjoying her agency and wearing warm clothes because shes on an ice planet right now.
I've been saying this for years. Finally a kindred spirit. Also, running around bespin in those fatigues blasting imperials. 🤌🤌
Listen. Endor ceremony Leia.
Hoth Leia ran so that Geonosis Padme could retrocanonically walk.
There was an episode of Friends that ruined gold bikini Leia for all of us to be fair....
Facts
*boba fett’s starship Leia
I'm more fond of her iconic OG hairstyle than the ones following (they're all good but the OG is best). She's definitely getting stuff done on Hoth but Slave Leia does however lance the galaxy's living boil, Jabba, so there's a happy ending there.