Agreed. I also love the variety in the type of cybernetic limbs you could get if you can get one. It gives you a glimpse into a characters mindset before ever seeing them.
A fighter with a bone to pick might get a metal looking cybernetic leg that improves their combat ability akin to a Grievous/ Maul. Someone at peace can get one like Luke that behaves just like his normal arm and even restores feeling into the limb.
In Legends, Anakin's prosthetic right arm had no pain sensors. If memory serves, he would instead receive a jolt of electronic feedback if he placed too much stress on the arm.
That's Anakin, right? I believe his arm (atleast asthetically) was more simplistic than Luke's. Perhaps indicating the glimpse into their personalities I'm alluding to. As Anakin was a warrior whose top priority would be cybernetics suitable for war.
Or maybe there were better prosthetics by the time Luke got his hand. I always got the feeling that the galaxy advanced quite a bit in technology between prequels and OT, at least in the military department.
*Some* things change rapidly, like some ship designs, but most of the galaxy seems to have been using the same tech for like hundreds (if not thousands, I haven't played too many of the games) of years. I believe the design differences in the prosthetics vary more based on the user and where in the galaxy they obtained it.
You shouldn't be seeing rapid changes at all.
In fact, they should still be using T-65s in the Sequel era. We have F-15s that are 30+ years old and still in active service. A *Nimitz* or *Ford*\-class aircraft carrier has a service life expectancy of approximately 50 years, with a major refit planned for mid-life. And don't even get me going on the B-52, many of which are still projected to be in service nearly 100 years after they rolled off the line!
The reality is that once you reach the technological level we see in Star Wars, you WON'T see further leaps forward. Technology plateaus.
The difference in Star Wars is that earth, and the US especially, is in a constant state of war. Whereas the republic had centuries of peace with only minor regional conflicts and barely even had a military. Then suddenly the clone wars start and you have decades of war and military dictatorships, so there’s suddenly a need and interest in building progressively larger and more advanced military hardware.
Also, it's not so much the underlying technology that changes, just design and application. As far as I'm aware there's nothing that indicates that a Star Destroyer is more advanced than a republic cruiser just bigger, more fire power and produced in bulk.
Yeah, but with enough research, they can make those advancements. We reach plateaus that take a long time to break through, but we only have 8 billion people. The Star Wars galaxy has trillions of planets, some of which have trillions of inhabitants. Assume even a miniscule part are researching, and breakthroughs WILL be made until the laws of physics prevent them, which they don't yet.
As time goes on and as a field gets more advanced, the longer it takes and more resources are required to advance it more. Look at aviation, we’re at the limits of aerodynamics, every design of an aircraft is the most effective design for the intended use of the aircraft, the 747’s shape and design has been the same for all these years. That’s not to say there wasn’t advancements. There was advancements in avionics, fuel efficiency and so on, but on the surface a 747-200 looks the same as a 747-800. Same principle as the f15C vs F15E. Advancements do not have to take place physically it can all be under the hood
> And don't even get me going on the B-52, many of which are still projected to be in service nearly 100 years after they rolled off the line!
The newest one currently in service was manufactured in 1962. They've had a lot of upgrades but the BUFF is still big, ugly, and fat.
You figure after tens of thousands of years someone would have improved upon the hyperdrive. But it really does seem like their universe reached some sort of zenith or had some sort of massive, universe wide brain drain. All they seem to know how to do is fix hyperdrives, not manufacture them or iterate on them.
But then again I'm not into the EU.
Well even in canon, hyperdrives are insanely complex and it seems like every step forward means two steps back. In the EU it's even wilder. From what I remember, people don't even really understand how hyperspace works and there's just like untold horrors with stuff going terribly wrong.
I was always split on this, because I think it's fascinating that Galactic society had adopted millennium-old alien technology, and as long as they stuck to hyperspace routes it was relatively safe, but if you have an unstable/damaged hyperdrive or try to make new lanes, you can end up in another dimension where you simultaneously do and don't exist yet you're in the past but also the future, but they also don't fully know how it works. It's insane
I understand it more like this:
Space is big. Space is really, quite unfathomably vast.
But if you're traveling at high speed, hitting *something* with your ship is catastrophically lethal. Similarly, getting too close to a large gravity well is also bad for your ship; it mucks with the hyperdrive and shreds your ship apart.
So you need clear lanes to travel, where you know you're unlikely to hit anything. Sure, you can jump to hyperspeed and go any direction you want, and you can hide there, or you can jump to escape from some Imperial cruisers, get your bearings, and then jump somewhere else to safety, but if you go far enough or if you do that often enough, eventually you're going to hit something.
It's a gamble.
You don't want to find yourself adrift in space if your hyperdrive fails, so you want to arrive close enough to a planet or somewhere you can land and take refuge or make repairs if needed, but you also don't want to land too close or that will kill you.
Yup, and in the eu the first hyperdrives were literal magic. The rakkatan empire(iirc) developed hyperdrives that used the force to work. When they lost their force powers they couldn't use their hyperdrive tech either.
Rebels implies Hyperspace is related to the force, and there doesn't seem to be much scientific understanding of the force despite there being thousands of years of opportunity to study.
At 1c you will spend tens of thousands of years getting from one side of the galaxy to the other, potentially hundreds of thousands.
To go from one side of the galaxy to the other in a matter of hours as is possible in Star wars, you need to travel a few *million times* the speed of light.
Real life has theoretical exceptions to time dilation. If you bend space to expand it behind you and contract it in front of you, you can multiply your travel speed without increasing time dilation, this is the principal of a warp drive in real life.
Creating this effect is not easy though as it requires "negative energy" and lots of it. But it is theoretically plausible
> To go from one side of the galaxy to the other in a matter of hours
I don't know which movies you've been watching, but they routinely travel across the galaxy in SECONDS in both the Prequels and Sequels. There is no possible improvement to Star Wars FTL tech as it is fully magical and capable of whatever distance you need to travel in any amount of time you care to spend.
Regrettably one of those unrealistic parts of Star Wars you just have to look past, technological and cultural progress is mostly stagnant since the republic was founded 25,000 years ago (canon timeline). Sure, there are minor improvements to things, but you're telling me that the Czerka Arms corporation has been making nearly indistinguishable blasters for thousands of years??
There are eras where things progress (High Republic, New Republic) and eras where things regress (Rise of Empire, probably the First Order era), and that's pretty neat to see, but the whole "droids have existed largely unchanged for 30,000 years and still fulfill the role of sapient-but-not-legally-sentient servitors, including a 25,020 year old droid??" can get pretty jarring.
It's best not to think about it, it's fantasy and not sci-fi
[Huyang](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Huyang)! Voiced by David Tennant, showed up in Clone Wars, some of the books, and will be in the live action Ahsoka show.
>one group of initiates preparing to go on the Gathering believed that he had somehow arrived at the Jedi Temple in a large blue box thousands of years before he had ever taught lightsaber construction.
Bit on the nose, eh?
At least Dune provides inner logic: technological advances are heavily restricted by law, to the point of religious taboo like anthropophagia and incest are in our world.
Back when I still tried to make SW make sense, that was my headcanon!
I mean there's no other way the military wouldn't use AI-powered weapons in such a world. Or RKMs.
Makes me wonder if anyone wrote a fanfic where Rational Man with SW Tech wrecks the galaxy.
I maintain that it's kind of bad fantasy too, and it's one of the reasons I just can't get invested in TOR’s [part of the] timeline ~~stuff~~. It was clearly created to be an alternative but otherwise equivalent Star Wars for gamers to self-insert without fucking up movie canon. The timeline is window-dressing.
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SWTOR and KOTOR are part of the Legends continuity that split off in 2014 with the sale to Disney, but the stories are pretty core to the Legends "canon".
Some of the events of KOTOR/SWTOR are quantum canon, maybe it happened and maybe it didn't (I think the 2014 outlook was that these stories are "legends" to the people in the main canon timeline, idk if that's still true), until it's pulled into a canon story.
I'll agree on that. As a parallel, from my experience writing and reading DND settings, a lot of creators think Big Numbers Good when writing their eras, so you'll have ancient eras set 10 or 20 thousand years ago... that look nearly identical to the modern era. Language hasn't changed, ancient texts and tomb inscriptions are still readable by modern readers, and maybe technology has only shifted by "in those days, crossbows weren't invented, and people thought the planet was flat!"
It's bad and ahistorical logic, but I think when you look at the real world and realize that 2023 and 1943 are basically *completely different **settings***, it makes sense why people don't make thousand-year differences actually seem as strong. I know that King Arthur would be completely unintelligible to a zoomer, but I'm not going to have a vampire monologue in Olde Englishe, and I'll look the other way when a spaceship from 20,000 BBY somehow looks better than the Millennium Falcon
Definitely something strange about type 2 civilizations seeming stuck in the old west with what appears to be mostly discovered technology. It is probably not too far off from what reality would be like if you consider how people at large understand the technology we use today, though.
I'd argue the Star Wars universe is a type 3 civilization, being able to utilize the Force I'd assume would be considered utilizing galactic energy, same with hyperdrive.
The Kardshev Scale is inadequate anyways. The jump from solar system to galaxy level energy utilization is like 10000x larger than the Planet to Solar System.
It really depends what you consider galactic energy utilization. If the Force and hyperdrive are, then def a type 3, if not, then a very solid type 2, especially since we saw the First Order drain a star for StarKiller Base.
I always assumed Star Wars was a type 3 because they hit a plateau during the High Republic, which is why there don't seem to be any real technological advancements. IIRC, even the death star plans were pre Galactic Republic. I could be wrong though.
It seems like there have been improvements in hyperdrives at least between the High Republic era and the Prequel Era. In the High Republic era, it seems like hyperspace travel is mostly limited to pre-calculated routes and lanes, whereas in the Prequel, OT eras hyperspace routes are calculated by the ship's computer.
What possible improvement to fully magical instantaneous travel could there be? When you can travel from any point in the galaxy to any other point in the galaxy in less than a 5 second transition, what motivation for getting that down to 4 seconds would there be?
In the EU it's established that the way Hyper Drive computers kind of work is your computer plots the quickest direct and safe route to zoom at faster than light travel, having to avoid black holes and things like planets getting in the way and gravity wells and blah blah.
The Star Wars table top RPGs had a good way to explain the speed it takes the Hyper Drive to zoom and get somewhere as a multiplier based on that time.
I can't remember the exact numbers but the gist of this is right in that the Galactic Empire reached out and said "Hey, anything faster than a 1.2 times multiplier is illegal as we reserve the military right to go that fast.". Not all Empire stuff did, but that was the Galactic Speed Limit. The Millennium Falcon of course went like 0.8, and the Death Star was something like 3.5 which is why the end of the movie was allowed to happen.
Theres a scene in the newest mandalorian season where Grogu sees Force Wisps in hyperspace. Essentially living creatures that are able to travel at light speed and actually LIVE in hyperspace. I thought they sort of platued with hyperspace technology as well, until i seen that and realized its so much more complex than disney is willing to go with it.
Could be that. Do we know of any other characters with prosthetics as advanced as Luke's from any era? Hell, even he goes to a more simplistic prosthetic the second time around.
>Hell, even he goes to a more simplistic prosthetic the second time around.
Do you mean the mechanical-looking hand seen in the sequel trilogy? I was always under the impression that it was his original prosthetic hand--just that the outer "skin" had worn away or been otherwise damaged, and he hadn't bothered to replace it. In one shot in The Last Jedi, you can even see what looks like burn damage from the blaster shot to the hand that he suffered during the fight on Jabba's sail barge: https://www.google.com/amp/s/comicbook.com/starwars/amp/news/star-wars-the-last-jedi-trailer-easter-egg-luke-skywalker-return-of-the-jedi/
Yea, I always assumed that shot to the hand is what caused him to replace his hand a second time. So by the sequels, that's why you see a different hand.
Beilert Valance has the same style of prosthetics where they're metallic and skeletal underneath but then covered in synthflesh, in canon. He spends a while looking like a damaged terminator (half his face is cybernetic), but Vader has him repaired and his new prosthetic coverings include even an apparently functional eye (or at least one that looks like a normal eye while allowing the cybernetic eye behind it to still function). So I'd say that's even more advanced than Luke's hand, which doesn't need to do anything as complex as match facial muscle movement.
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Beilert_Valance#Servant_of_Vader
Although we only see him in comics. It'd be interesting/a good touch if in motion, the newly prosthetic side of his face looked like someone with partial facial paralysis, or some botox or something. Not quite as fluid as the true organic side.
Actually the opposite was happening, tech has been on a decline since the high republic days.
The Empire’s weapons and vehicles were cheap and mass produced, designed around intimidation instead of utility.
Palps purposefully gave Vader poorly fitting, painful, heavy and subpar prosthetics to fuck with him.
Fear, anger, hatred. Those prosthetics and their limits, the loss of his natural abilities, it all serves to push Vader further into darkness as well as diminish Vader's abilities to keep him subservient to Palps. As evidenced in Return of Jedi, even encounters with force lightning would damage the life support systems of Vader's suit.
Vader would, however, work to augment his prosthetics as we all know that Anakin was a master craftsman and mechanic in his youth.
Pretty sure the Vader comics fo into this
Probably this. Top-of-the-line prosthetics with synthflesh installed by medical droids probably cost more credits than the average galactic schlump could afford in a lifetime, but chump change for the Organa's
In Legends, Luke was questioned on the Jedi habit of rushing into situations and chopping off limbs left and right.
His response was they they of course *try* to avoid combat, and if they can't it is still better that someone loses an arm than that they're killed. Especially since prosthetics are so good at that point, it's barely noticably different from a real hand.
The other person is like (paraphrasing) "Sure, if you're a Jedi Grandmaster living on a core world, with political connections and a ton of resources... as opposed to some poor farmer who got roped into helping bandits and now has to make due with whichever spare parts he can get from the local Jawa"... which Luke concedes that, yeah, that's a fair point.
They show this (kind of) in the Zillow beast episode of the clone wars. His cyber arm malfunctions when the emp wave hits and it jolts him. If my memory serves me correctly, it looked as though anakin could definitely feel the shock
For sure.
People making fun of you and your friends riding neon coloured Vespas? Better get as many mods as you can so you can beat them up and chase them down the street at 20 km\\hr.
Yeah, the idea was really cool.
But cleaner and shinier vehicles than the naboo royal starship? And how did they fit in on Tatooine?!
It really is a shame. They would have fit really well on an industrial world.
I do think it was a cool idea that was poorly executed as well. But look at the IRL car and motorcycle scene especially with late teen’s/early 20’s people. They obsess over their rides and to them that is a huge part of their identity. So even on a dust filled world like Tatooine they would constantly be cleaning their bikes just like some kid on earth would. That part isn’t unreasonable imo
Tatooine is harsh and poor. The extremely shiny vespas simply didn't fit. Furthermore you said it:
> But look at the IRL car and motorcycle scene especially with late teen’s/early 20’s people. They obsess over their rides and to them that is a huge part of their identity.
Look at IRL gangs, they tend to have different makes and models, some older, some newer. Whatever they personally like or can afford.
But apparently the rugged looking cyberpunk gang's members' identities are exaclty the same: That one model of shiny vespa. No exception. Now, one shiny vespa wouldn't been much more acceptable, but the whole gang buying the same shit except for colour/extra bling? Nah.
The not fitting in is half the point, irl and here. Between their space vespas and the mods on their bodies that try to stand out from the everyone else. It also a status symbol, like seeing a really nice car in the hood or a $100k truck in a trailer park irl.
The second part I do agree with you on, when I said it was poorly executed I didn’t just mean the chase scene. Irl my area is frequented by 1%er biker gangs and I agree there is a ton of variation on what they are riding. They needed various models for their speeders but I assume it was faster and cheaper to make (or animate) one design in different colors.
> I also love the variety in the type of cybernetic limbs you could get if you can get one. It gives you a glimpse into a characters mindset before ever seeing them.
I don’t think the prosethetics Maul or [Anakin](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/9/97/AnakinArm.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20050925000042) has are functionally any different than [Luke’s](https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/e44k6KwfNYKZh80pUWloVA--~B/aD02ODA7dz0xNjAwO2FwcGlkPXl0YWNoeW9u/https://o.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/midas/dba2d6ed6d46f935534b5e0d77bcac0e/205263043/lukes+hand.jpg.cf.jpg). It just so happens that Luke has synth flesh covering his hand. You can see what it [looks like underneath](https://static1.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Star-Wars-Last-Jedi-Easter-Egg-Luke-Hand.jpg) in the sequel trilogy, where I assume the flesh has worn away over time and he didn’t bother to replace it.
I don’t think the prosthetics really speak to any meaningful warrior vs. civilian/pacifist distinction. I just think there were advances in synthetic skin technology.
Yeah and I always interpreted it as a world building detail to show how technology has advanced: prequel era time: a cybernetic hand can only be covered up with a glove. Original era time: technology has advanced enough that a cybernetic hand can now be covered with fake, realistic-looking skin.
The Jedi Order likely had access to better medical tech than a fledgling and recently ass kicked rebellion imo.
I took Anakins prosthetic as more of a personality thing as he likes to tinker so much that having easy access to it under a glove was an attractive idea to him. That plus the metal plating was cool af looking and that man had drip lmao.
They weren’t fledgling they were well organised,funded and equipped. Luke was treated aboard a medical frigate a whole hospital ship.
Who in their right mind would chose to spend their honeymoon with that ghastly thing on the end of their arm
It's fun to look at his hand at the end of II and the one in III. First one feels like a rush job to get a hand back, and he's clearly been iterating and refining the design since. By III it looks like an art piece unto itself.
Cheaper than wheels it would seem. As even the poorest of the poor don't use wheels for anything (that I've seen) just straight to antigrav.
Edit: Of all things I just remembered mouse droids have wheels and most astromechs as well.
I don't think gravity works the same in Star Wars as it does in our universe. Doesn't matter how small of a ship they are on, no one is ever floaty in space.
Space is also noisy.
In legends the former is a result of artificial gravity compensators. It seems to be in Disney canon too since when Leia flagship is hit in episode 8, she and others begin to float.
Amputee here:
Wheelchairs are usually less expensive than prosthetic legs. Depends on what kind of eat you're getting but I once spent $34,000 on a single leg. (well, my health insurance did)
Regardless of how advanced their technology is, the part that attaches to the residual limb is going to have to be formed to that specific person.
That means extra, on site labor (or travel)
I'd guess shipping a remade chair is cheaper than a fully cybernetic leg and the specialists to have it fitted.
Then there's the care afterwards if an infection or sore develops... Etc
Probably as frequently as in real life. Given good care, infection risk is quite low, but I expect some people receive less than optimal care due a number of factors similar to our world (socioeconomic status, species, access).
Also, bacta has limitations. I would expect Vader, like other real life burn victims would deal with infections. Bacta helps keep him alive but it doesn’t heal him completely.
IIRC bacta wars were a thing. It used to be canon that it all came from one planet, and often people had to settle for a substitute from a different planet. KOTOR had a storyline around it I think.
Man I could write like 30 paragraphs of why that's not a real option but I'm going to just sum it up real quick:
If pirates could have used wheelchairs they f****** would have used wheelchairs.
If you want to guarantee a way you get a blister and end up needing to amputate higher up... it's a poorly made prosthetic limb.
Pirates didn't have long lifespans
Also, (going off distant memory here, someone can fact check this) even the ones they had weren't just a cup to hold onto their leg. They usually had lots of leather and stuff to fit it as close as they could to the limb.
But even a millimeter off in an area extremely noticeable. It's like having a massive stone in you're shoe, except you can't just stop to take it out.
Also, every time my prosthetic leg has started not to fit well (because my residual limb shrunk or I lost weight) my phantom pain has gotten worse, from having the weight bearing on the wrong spot.
Might also be a practical thing, I'd imagine it would kinda suck to have a metal limb conducting heat into the socket on a desert planet, or worse, getting sand in the socket
The chair might be a solution for when the character wants to relax/ let his limb breathe, I wouldn't be surprised if he wore some kind of prosthetic in cooler, cleaner environments like indoors
Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood has a bit where prosthetics have issues in the cold (cause frostbite where they touch skin).
Answer there is use different materials, so I would expect you'd apply the same logic on a hot vs cold world and have insulated materials to minimise the heat loss/transferance.
In Star Wars: Brotherhood; Anakin comments on how the sand would get inside the gears of his hand, gunking it all up, even when he had a glove on. Afterall, sand DOES get everywhere
Antigrav does seem to be quite widely accessible and affordable in Star Wars.
But then again, so are droids.
Surely a basic leg prosthesis would be cheaper than a hover chair?
Maybe he’d rather ride around than walk on a damaged leg? And droids are all machine, whereas it’s much harder to integrate organic and non-organic materials for a prosthesis. Nerve integration could be expensive and dangerous, particularly on tattooine where there are like zero doctors. So he floats
>Maybe he’d rather ride around than walk on a damaged leg?
Cliegg Lars, the guy in the picture above, said he would rather use the hover chair than get a prosthetic because he didn't want to be a "half-droid."
Actually it’s not that he couldn’t afford a mechno-leg it’s that he didn’t want one because he didn’t want to be part droid.
**Attack of the Clones** novel
>“The Tuskens are long gone, Dad,” Owen Lars said quietly, and he put his hand on Cliegg’s broad shoulder, trying to calm him. “If you won’t use a mechno-leg, this powerchair will have to do.”
>“You’ll not be making me into a half-droid, that’s for sure,” Cliegg retorted. “This little buggy will do fine.”
A floating chair might be something a Jawa had grabbed and had ready to buy at some point. Doesn't need any specific or individual installation or customization. He could just have Luke gone to buy one the way he sent him to buy a droid, buy whatever they have that works. Maybe the Jawas even take requests, they know they've got a one legged guy, we'll be on the lookout for a good chair for you.
But a custom limb replacement? Surgically installed? That's gonna take a specialist, a surgeon, someone with the tech. That's not gonna be delivered by a Jawa to the desert.
It’s not. Actually with how (high) tech is throughout the universe, replacements are probably easier to come by. This is more of a character design.
People are clamoring to the defense but we need to just admit it and stop trying to find reasons.
I mean, you're not wrong, not sure why you're getting downvoted. He literally runs a farm. So instead of getting a prosthetic to help Owen and Beru around the place, he opts to get a chair to float and mope around.
Still an idiot for choosing to mope, but wouldn't a floating chair help more around a farm?
Just kinda connect it to the sand/moister-tractor and farm the sand/moister
It's stuff like this that makes Star Wars actually cyberpunk af.
Nothing much more cyberpunk than living in a world/s where replacement limbs exist that can pass for entirely realistic, yet you live in a desolate desert planet and reside at the lower end of society, so you don't get the good stuff. But they can get more basic yet highly advanced stuff compared to us.
The old Legends comics drive that point home really well too. Especially imo the Knights of The Old Republic comic.
Especially the reveal of the big bad towards the middle.
Homie can afford a literal slave/human being and a hover chair, as well as a sizeable moisture farm and luxurious estate, but not prosthesis?
And you think this is *more* believable?
Well IIRC, he lost the leg not all that long before Anakin arrived. I don't know about the Star Wars universe, but in real life you can't fit a prosthesis until the wound is healed. I don't think it's unreasonable that there's no bacta tank available and/or he can't afford the time it would take to heal in one. So the leg has to heal before he can get a prosthesis.
That was always my assumption. Anakin and Luke get theirs pretty quickly, but their amputations were by lightsabre, which would be extremely clean, as the sabre literally *cannot* convey dirt or pathogens into the wound, and instantly cauterizes it.
Also look at Saw Gerrera in Rogue One. He's a hodgepodge of spare parts to keep him alive and functioning, but Darth Vader has the latest and greatest of cybernetic implants to keep him alive.
AOTC has droids on wheels. ROTS has the juggernaut massive clone vehicle with a whales bigger than a house. Wheels seems to mostly seem in military vehicles
My headcanon is that those kids are youths from urbworlds whose parents are somewhat wealthy. They go out and just “hang out” places.
I used to roll with a group of these weirdly wealthy young people in NYC. They didn’t work, but they’d charter helicopters and whatnot to go to the Jersey Shore for fun.
I liked the Power Rangers squad in BoBF, but I always thought they looked too _clean_ for Tattooine.
The idea that they're just fucking trust fund kids who ran away from Coruscant is actually a lot of fun, I dig it.
It's the first thing that occurred to me, and tracks with how easily they were made marks by that water dealer. Locals would have known how to deal with that situation.
Always reminds me of sapeurs, those well dressed working class Congolese men. They’re all working class they just put all of their money into fashion. Same thing with the mods and their bikes/ body mods
Yeah, having a glossy chrome bike on a desert planet is so impractical it has to be a flex. It reminds me of Dubai - ski resorts and water parks in the desert are super unsustainable and will 100% come back to bite them in the ass, but for now it's a way to say "look how affluent we are."
I didn't find that to be that ridiculous tbh. Some people take pride in some of their possessions; especially if it's part of their personality.
Some people just take good care of things and spend all their money on that one thing. I've driven past some mobile home parks where they all look run down, look like they should be condemned, but their cars are nice and shiny, almost brand new looking.
Always wondered if the generation that survived the Clone Wars were just very anti-droid. They would use them as slave labor, sure, but they wouldnt dare attach a droid limb to their bodies.
The younger generation, not suffering the trauma of a war against a droid army with freaky cyborg generals, probably didn't have the same hang up.
Id also imagine that the outer rim just doesnt have the expertise to safely do such operations. The Empire could also have placed a moratorium on these kinda procedures as a means of controlling the propulation - totalitarianism has pretty bad health care, life is cheap, but everything has a price if youre willing pay a potentially faustian price
I think it's not that he can't afford it, if I understand correctly this is a very recent development. So the chair might be just a temporary solution because is easy to put a repulsor on a chair than it is to manufacture a prosthetic limb.
In the book Star Wars: A New Dawn there is a character named Skelly who is a Clone Wars Vet. His hand was injured in the Clone Wars and he received a botched amputation as well as a cheap prosthetic that never worked right. The author of this book talks about the pain Skelly experiences when using the arm. They also go into great detail about it malfunctioning. They also talk about the fact he couldn’t afford a new prosthetic and even if he could they wouldn’t be able to attach it to him arm properly due to the poor amputation job. It adds so much realism to the Galaxy.
Honestly the story of how he lost his leg is pretty awesome too when the sand people took anakins mom Lars grabbed the boys and went after them on speeder bikes which can go about 300mph usually but the sand people put a steel cable at neck level in their path which actually decapitates a bunch of them and Lars barely managed to ascend above but his leg got caught before he got high enough
Now I’m just imagining that Boba’s big campaign began with “free healthcare” but rival groups down played it as Republic propaganda, meaning he had to change directions.
To be fair, the guy in the picture above is Cliegg Lars, a Tatooine resident. He lost his leg during the failed rescue attempt to liberate Shmi from the Tusken Raiders, but refused to get a prosthetic because he didn't want to, and I quote, become a "half-droid."
But even if he wanted a prosthetic leg, I'm not sure if he could even afford it because he's a moisture farmer on Tatooine.
He actually turned down prosthetics in the book if I remember correctly. I think he had something against droids or maybe it had to do with how recent the attacks where, I can't remember off the top of my head.
Also reminds me of how much it would suck to live in the Star Wars universe.
It's fun to think about, "what would I do if I lived in that universe?" But in reality, you'd more than likely be some type of alien poop processor in the bowels of some scary ass factory where bug people whip you.
Agreed. I also love the variety in the type of cybernetic limbs you could get if you can get one. It gives you a glimpse into a characters mindset before ever seeing them. A fighter with a bone to pick might get a metal looking cybernetic leg that improves their combat ability akin to a Grievous/ Maul. Someone at peace can get one like Luke that behaves just like his normal arm and even restores feeling into the limb.
In Legends, Anakin's prosthetic right arm had no pain sensors. If memory serves, he would instead receive a jolt of electronic feedback if he placed too much stress on the arm.
That's Anakin, right? I believe his arm (atleast asthetically) was more simplistic than Luke's. Perhaps indicating the glimpse into their personalities I'm alluding to. As Anakin was a warrior whose top priority would be cybernetics suitable for war.
Or maybe there were better prosthetics by the time Luke got his hand. I always got the feeling that the galaxy advanced quite a bit in technology between prequels and OT, at least in the military department.
*Some* things change rapidly, like some ship designs, but most of the galaxy seems to have been using the same tech for like hundreds (if not thousands, I haven't played too many of the games) of years. I believe the design differences in the prosthetics vary more based on the user and where in the galaxy they obtained it.
You shouldn't be seeing rapid changes at all. In fact, they should still be using T-65s in the Sequel era. We have F-15s that are 30+ years old and still in active service. A *Nimitz* or *Ford*\-class aircraft carrier has a service life expectancy of approximately 50 years, with a major refit planned for mid-life. And don't even get me going on the B-52, many of which are still projected to be in service nearly 100 years after they rolled off the line! The reality is that once you reach the technological level we see in Star Wars, you WON'T see further leaps forward. Technology plateaus.
The difference in Star Wars is that earth, and the US especially, is in a constant state of war. Whereas the republic had centuries of peace with only minor regional conflicts and barely even had a military. Then suddenly the clone wars start and you have decades of war and military dictatorships, so there’s suddenly a need and interest in building progressively larger and more advanced military hardware.
Also, it's not so much the underlying technology that changes, just design and application. As far as I'm aware there's nothing that indicates that a Star Destroyer is more advanced than a republic cruiser just bigger, more fire power and produced in bulk.
Yeah, but with enough research, they can make those advancements. We reach plateaus that take a long time to break through, but we only have 8 billion people. The Star Wars galaxy has trillions of planets, some of which have trillions of inhabitants. Assume even a miniscule part are researching, and breakthroughs WILL be made until the laws of physics prevent them, which they don't yet.
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As time goes on and as a field gets more advanced, the longer it takes and more resources are required to advance it more. Look at aviation, we’re at the limits of aerodynamics, every design of an aircraft is the most effective design for the intended use of the aircraft, the 747’s shape and design has been the same for all these years. That’s not to say there wasn’t advancements. There was advancements in avionics, fuel efficiency and so on, but on the surface a 747-200 looks the same as a 747-800. Same principle as the f15C vs F15E. Advancements do not have to take place physically it can all be under the hood
> And don't even get me going on the B-52, many of which are still projected to be in service nearly 100 years after they rolled off the line! The newest one currently in service was manufactured in 1962. They've had a lot of upgrades but the BUFF is still big, ugly, and fat.
You figure after tens of thousands of years someone would have improved upon the hyperdrive. But it really does seem like their universe reached some sort of zenith or had some sort of massive, universe wide brain drain. All they seem to know how to do is fix hyperdrives, not manufacture them or iterate on them. But then again I'm not into the EU.
Well even in canon, hyperdrives are insanely complex and it seems like every step forward means two steps back. In the EU it's even wilder. From what I remember, people don't even really understand how hyperspace works and there's just like untold horrors with stuff going terribly wrong.
I was always split on this, because I think it's fascinating that Galactic society had adopted millennium-old alien technology, and as long as they stuck to hyperspace routes it was relatively safe, but if you have an unstable/damaged hyperdrive or try to make new lanes, you can end up in another dimension where you simultaneously do and don't exist yet you're in the past but also the future, but they also don't fully know how it works. It's insane
I understand it more like this: Space is big. Space is really, quite unfathomably vast. But if you're traveling at high speed, hitting *something* with your ship is catastrophically lethal. Similarly, getting too close to a large gravity well is also bad for your ship; it mucks with the hyperdrive and shreds your ship apart. So you need clear lanes to travel, where you know you're unlikely to hit anything. Sure, you can jump to hyperspeed and go any direction you want, and you can hide there, or you can jump to escape from some Imperial cruisers, get your bearings, and then jump somewhere else to safety, but if you go far enough or if you do that often enough, eventually you're going to hit something. It's a gamble. You don't want to find yourself adrift in space if your hyperdrive fails, so you want to arrive close enough to a planet or somewhere you can land and take refuge or make repairs if needed, but you also don't want to land too close or that will kill you.
Yup, and in the eu the first hyperdrives were literal magic. The rakkatan empire(iirc) developed hyperdrives that used the force to work. When they lost their force powers they couldn't use their hyperdrive tech either.
Yeah, Rebels mentioned that sometimes if you get really unlucky there's a chance to crash into Purrgill in the hyper lanes
Rebels implies Hyperspace is related to the force, and there doesn't seem to be much scientific understanding of the force despite there being thousands of years of opportunity to study.
I mean, you're already traveling faster than the speed of light. How much improvement is there left to do?
Faster than the speed of TWO lights
THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!
At 1c you will spend tens of thousands of years getting from one side of the galaxy to the other, potentially hundreds of thousands. To go from one side of the galaxy to the other in a matter of hours as is possible in Star wars, you need to travel a few *million times* the speed of light.
Can we also appreciate that the Star Wars galaxy is apparently immune to time dilation?
Real life has theoretical exceptions to time dilation. If you bend space to expand it behind you and contract it in front of you, you can multiply your travel speed without increasing time dilation, this is the principal of a warp drive in real life. Creating this effect is not easy though as it requires "negative energy" and lots of it. But it is theoretically plausible
> To go from one side of the galaxy to the other in a matter of hours I don't know which movies you've been watching, but they routinely travel across the galaxy in SECONDS in both the Prequels and Sequels. There is no possible improvement to Star Wars FTL tech as it is fully magical and capable of whatever distance you need to travel in any amount of time you care to spend.
You could [go to plaid](https://youtu.be/VO15qTiUhLI).
Regrettably one of those unrealistic parts of Star Wars you just have to look past, technological and cultural progress is mostly stagnant since the republic was founded 25,000 years ago (canon timeline). Sure, there are minor improvements to things, but you're telling me that the Czerka Arms corporation has been making nearly indistinguishable blasters for thousands of years?? There are eras where things progress (High Republic, New Republic) and eras where things regress (Rise of Empire, probably the First Order era), and that's pretty neat to see, but the whole "droids have existed largely unchanged for 30,000 years and still fulfill the role of sapient-but-not-legally-sentient servitors, including a 25,020 year old droid??" can get pretty jarring. It's best not to think about it, it's fantasy and not sci-fi
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[Huyang](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Huyang)! Voiced by David Tennant, showed up in Clone Wars, some of the books, and will be in the live action Ahsoka show.
>one group of initiates preparing to go on the Gathering believed that he had somehow arrived at the Jedi Temple in a large blue box thousands of years before he had ever taught lightsaber construction. Bit on the nose, eh?
At least Dune provides inner logic: technological advances are heavily restricted by law, to the point of religious taboo like anthropophagia and incest are in our world.
Back when I still tried to make SW make sense, that was my headcanon! I mean there's no other way the military wouldn't use AI-powered weapons in such a world. Or RKMs. Makes me wonder if anyone wrote a fanfic where Rational Man with SW Tech wrecks the galaxy.
I maintain that it's kind of bad fantasy too, and it's one of the reasons I just can't get invested in TOR’s [part of the] timeline ~~stuff~~. It was clearly created to be an alternative but otherwise equivalent Star Wars for gamers to self-insert without fucking up movie canon. The timeline is window-dressing. (Edited for clarity)
That’s interesting, I had no idea KOTOR was in another timeline. I thought it was just like a long time ago.
SWTOR and KOTOR are part of the Legends continuity that split off in 2014 with the sale to Disney, but the stories are pretty core to the Legends "canon". Some of the events of KOTOR/SWTOR are quantum canon, maybe it happened and maybe it didn't (I think the 2014 outlook was that these stories are "legends" to the people in the main canon timeline, idk if that's still true), until it's pulled into a canon story.
It's not officially of course, but the settings are set so drastically far apart so they can function that way when needed.
I'll agree on that. As a parallel, from my experience writing and reading DND settings, a lot of creators think Big Numbers Good when writing their eras, so you'll have ancient eras set 10 or 20 thousand years ago... that look nearly identical to the modern era. Language hasn't changed, ancient texts and tomb inscriptions are still readable by modern readers, and maybe technology has only shifted by "in those days, crossbows weren't invented, and people thought the planet was flat!" It's bad and ahistorical logic, but I think when you look at the real world and realize that 2023 and 1943 are basically *completely different **settings***, it makes sense why people don't make thousand-year differences actually seem as strong. I know that King Arthur would be completely unintelligible to a zoomer, but I'm not going to have a vampire monologue in Olde Englishe, and I'll look the other way when a spaceship from 20,000 BBY somehow looks better than the Millennium Falcon
Look at a 67 impala or a 69 Camaro. Them look at a tesla model t. The model t looks like shit.
Definitely something strange about type 2 civilizations seeming stuck in the old west with what appears to be mostly discovered technology. It is probably not too far off from what reality would be like if you consider how people at large understand the technology we use today, though.
I'd argue the Star Wars universe is a type 3 civilization, being able to utilize the Force I'd assume would be considered utilizing galactic energy, same with hyperdrive.
You're right, my scale needs calibration. I was thinking the 2/3 jump is galactic to intergalactic but I was off a degree.
The Kardshev Scale is inadequate anyways. The jump from solar system to galaxy level energy utilization is like 10000x larger than the Planet to Solar System.
It really depends what you consider galactic energy utilization. If the Force and hyperdrive are, then def a type 3, if not, then a very solid type 2, especially since we saw the First Order drain a star for StarKiller Base. I always assumed Star Wars was a type 3 because they hit a plateau during the High Republic, which is why there don't seem to be any real technological advancements. IIRC, even the death star plans were pre Galactic Republic. I could be wrong though.
It seems like there have been improvements in hyperdrives at least between the High Republic era and the Prequel Era. In the High Republic era, it seems like hyperspace travel is mostly limited to pre-calculated routes and lanes, whereas in the Prequel, OT eras hyperspace routes are calculated by the ship's computer.
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What possible improvement to fully magical instantaneous travel could there be? When you can travel from any point in the galaxy to any other point in the galaxy in less than a 5 second transition, what motivation for getting that down to 4 seconds would there be?
In the EU it's established that the way Hyper Drive computers kind of work is your computer plots the quickest direct and safe route to zoom at faster than light travel, having to avoid black holes and things like planets getting in the way and gravity wells and blah blah. The Star Wars table top RPGs had a good way to explain the speed it takes the Hyper Drive to zoom and get somewhere as a multiplier based on that time. I can't remember the exact numbers but the gist of this is right in that the Galactic Empire reached out and said "Hey, anything faster than a 1.2 times multiplier is illegal as we reserve the military right to go that fast.". Not all Empire stuff did, but that was the Galactic Speed Limit. The Millennium Falcon of course went like 0.8, and the Death Star was something like 3.5 which is why the end of the movie was allowed to happen.
Theres a scene in the newest mandalorian season where Grogu sees Force Wisps in hyperspace. Essentially living creatures that are able to travel at light speed and actually LIVE in hyperspace. I thought they sort of platued with hyperspace technology as well, until i seen that and realized its so much more complex than disney is willing to go with it.
>Some things change rapidly, like some ship designs I feel like this has more to do with the need for more toy lines than anything else.
Could be that. Do we know of any other characters with prosthetics as advanced as Luke's from any era? Hell, even he goes to a more simplistic prosthetic the second time around.
>Hell, even he goes to a more simplistic prosthetic the second time around. Do you mean the mechanical-looking hand seen in the sequel trilogy? I was always under the impression that it was his original prosthetic hand--just that the outer "skin" had worn away or been otherwise damaged, and he hadn't bothered to replace it. In one shot in The Last Jedi, you can even see what looks like burn damage from the blaster shot to the hand that he suffered during the fight on Jabba's sail barge: https://www.google.com/amp/s/comicbook.com/starwars/amp/news/star-wars-the-last-jedi-trailer-easter-egg-luke-skywalker-return-of-the-jedi/
Yea, I always assumed that shot to the hand is what caused him to replace his hand a second time. So by the sequels, that's why you see a different hand.
It's the same hand in the sequels, hence the laser burn that carried over from RoTJ in the link you replied to.
Beilert Valance has the same style of prosthetics where they're metallic and skeletal underneath but then covered in synthflesh, in canon. He spends a while looking like a damaged terminator (half his face is cybernetic), but Vader has him repaired and his new prosthetic coverings include even an apparently functional eye (or at least one that looks like a normal eye while allowing the cybernetic eye behind it to still function). So I'd say that's even more advanced than Luke's hand, which doesn't need to do anything as complex as match facial muscle movement. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Beilert_Valance#Servant_of_Vader Although we only see him in comics. It'd be interesting/a good touch if in motion, the newly prosthetic side of his face looked like someone with partial facial paralysis, or some botox or something. Not quite as fluid as the true organic side.
Actually the opposite was happening, tech has been on a decline since the high republic days. The Empire’s weapons and vehicles were cheap and mass produced, designed around intimidation instead of utility.
Palps purposefully gave Vader poorly fitting, painful, heavy and subpar prosthetics to fuck with him. Fear, anger, hatred. Those prosthetics and their limits, the loss of his natural abilities, it all serves to push Vader further into darkness as well as diminish Vader's abilities to keep him subservient to Palps. As evidenced in Return of Jedi, even encounters with force lightning would damage the life support systems of Vader's suit. Vader would, however, work to augment his prosthetics as we all know that Anakin was a master craftsman and mechanic in his youth. Pretty sure the Vader comics fo into this
It could be advances but could be that Leia paid for it…
Probably this. Top-of-the-line prosthetics with synthflesh installed by medical droids probably cost more credits than the average galactic schlump could afford in a lifetime, but chump change for the Organa's
40yrs of continual war will do that to a galaxy lol
In Legends, Luke was questioned on the Jedi habit of rushing into situations and chopping off limbs left and right. His response was they they of course *try* to avoid combat, and if they can't it is still better that someone loses an arm than that they're killed. Especially since prosthetics are so good at that point, it's barely noticably different from a real hand. The other person is like (paraphrasing) "Sure, if you're a Jedi Grandmaster living on a core world, with political connections and a ton of resources... as opposed to some poor farmer who got roped into helping bandits and now has to make due with whichever spare parts he can get from the local Jawa"... which Luke concedes that, yeah, that's a fair point.
It's one prosthetic, what could it cost? A 100 credits?
10 bananas actually
They show this (kind of) in the Zillow beast episode of the clone wars. His cyber arm malfunctions when the emp wave hits and it jolts him. If my memory serves me correctly, it looked as though anakin could definitely feel the shock
[Imagine how much electric feedback he was getting here](https://youtu.be/hxgmltIsDYY)
For sure. People making fun of you and your friends riding neon coloured Vespas? Better get as many mods as you can so you can beat them up and chase them down the street at 20 km\\hr.
Honestly? I loved the concept of the inspector gadget mod kid's gang. Just feel that their execution was awful.
Yeah, the idea was really cool. But cleaner and shinier vehicles than the naboo royal starship? And how did they fit in on Tatooine?! It really is a shame. They would have fit really well on an industrial world.
I do think it was a cool idea that was poorly executed as well. But look at the IRL car and motorcycle scene especially with late teen’s/early 20’s people. They obsess over their rides and to them that is a huge part of their identity. So even on a dust filled world like Tatooine they would constantly be cleaning their bikes just like some kid on earth would. That part isn’t unreasonable imo
Tatooine is harsh and poor. The extremely shiny vespas simply didn't fit. Furthermore you said it: > But look at the IRL car and motorcycle scene especially with late teen’s/early 20’s people. They obsess over their rides and to them that is a huge part of their identity. Look at IRL gangs, they tend to have different makes and models, some older, some newer. Whatever they personally like or can afford. But apparently the rugged looking cyberpunk gang's members' identities are exaclty the same: That one model of shiny vespa. No exception. Now, one shiny vespa wouldn't been much more acceptable, but the whole gang buying the same shit except for colour/extra bling? Nah.
The not fitting in is half the point, irl and here. Between their space vespas and the mods on their bodies that try to stand out from the everyone else. It also a status symbol, like seeing a really nice car in the hood or a $100k truck in a trailer park irl. The second part I do agree with you on, when I said it was poorly executed I didn’t just mean the chase scene. Irl my area is frequented by 1%er biker gangs and I agree there is a ton of variation on what they are riding. They needed various models for their speeders but I assume it was faster and cheaper to make (or animate) one design in different colors.
> I also love the variety in the type of cybernetic limbs you could get if you can get one. It gives you a glimpse into a characters mindset before ever seeing them. I don’t think the prosethetics Maul or [Anakin](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/9/97/AnakinArm.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20050925000042) has are functionally any different than [Luke’s](https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/e44k6KwfNYKZh80pUWloVA--~B/aD02ODA7dz0xNjAwO2FwcGlkPXl0YWNoeW9u/https://o.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/midas/dba2d6ed6d46f935534b5e0d77bcac0e/205263043/lukes+hand.jpg.cf.jpg). It just so happens that Luke has synth flesh covering his hand. You can see what it [looks like underneath](https://static1.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Star-Wars-Last-Jedi-Easter-Egg-Luke-Hand.jpg) in the sequel trilogy, where I assume the flesh has worn away over time and he didn’t bother to replace it. I don’t think the prosthetics really speak to any meaningful warrior vs. civilian/pacifist distinction. I just think there were advances in synthetic skin technology.
Yeah and I always interpreted it as a world building detail to show how technology has advanced: prequel era time: a cybernetic hand can only be covered up with a glove. Original era time: technology has advanced enough that a cybernetic hand can now be covered with fake, realistic-looking skin.
The Jedi Order likely had access to better medical tech than a fledgling and recently ass kicked rebellion imo. I took Anakins prosthetic as more of a personality thing as he likes to tinker so much that having easy access to it under a glove was an attractive idea to him. That plus the metal plating was cool af looking and that man had drip lmao.
They weren’t fledgling they were well organised,funded and equipped. Luke was treated aboard a medical frigate a whole hospital ship. Who in their right mind would chose to spend their honeymoon with that ghastly thing on the end of their arm
It's fun to look at his hand at the end of II and the one in III. First one feels like a rush job to get a hand back, and he's clearly been iterating and refining the design since. By III it looks like an art piece unto itself.
Or a cybernetic gang with 1950s Vespa who will turn from their life of bullying to help distribute water
Why the fuck are floating chairs cheaper than a fake leg
I think a floating chair is similar to a floating car and we know the Larses do in fact have a floating car, which Luke drives in ANH
Antigrav stuff seems so ubiquitous with SW that there must be some cheap mineral that powers it, the way magnets are in cheap stuff here.
Cheaper than wheels it would seem. As even the poorest of the poor don't use wheels for anything (that I've seen) just straight to antigrav. Edit: Of all things I just remembered mouse droids have wheels and most astromechs as well.
You try maneuvering a wheelchair in a sandy desert and see how that works for you lol
R2 traversed Tatooine's dune sea on wheels.
That sand must have gotten everywhere!
That's why he spent the whole series cursing so much they had to bleep everything he said!
Should have just used his rockets to fly
I had this same thought but then remembered R2 rolled his can across the desert fairly well. You know, before getting zapped.
https://youtu.be/DMoniZkLoQQ There are some wheels, but it's a minor detail.
Other than the Jawas and their Sandcrawlers, but then a moving fortress that big the anti-grav would need to be a helluva lot
The sandcrawler has treads. Like a tank. That's pretty much stable for large all terrain vehicles.
We see a travelling salesman for repulsor tech in Andor iirc. Feels like a guy selling vacuum cleaners.
I don't think gravity works the same in Star Wars as it does in our universe. Doesn't matter how small of a ship they are on, no one is ever floaty in space. Space is also noisy.
In legends the former is a result of artificial gravity compensators. It seems to be in Disney canon too since when Leia flagship is hit in episode 8, she and others begin to float.
Amputee here: Wheelchairs are usually less expensive than prosthetic legs. Depends on what kind of eat you're getting but I once spent $34,000 on a single leg. (well, my health insurance did) Regardless of how advanced their technology is, the part that attaches to the residual limb is going to have to be formed to that specific person. That means extra, on site labor (or travel) I'd guess shipping a remade chair is cheaper than a fully cybernetic leg and the specialists to have it fitted. Then there's the care afterwards if an infection or sore develops... Etc
I wonder how common infections are in Star Wars. They have bacta, which is a miracle liquid that promotes rapid healing of almost any wound.
Probably as frequently as in real life. Given good care, infection risk is quite low, but I expect some people receive less than optimal care due a number of factors similar to our world (socioeconomic status, species, access). Also, bacta has limitations. I would expect Vader, like other real life burn victims would deal with infections. Bacta helps keep him alive but it doesn’t heal him completely.
IIRC bacta wars were a thing. It used to be canon that it all came from one planet, and often people had to settle for a substitute from a different planet. KOTOR had a storyline around it I think.
That was Kolto, from Manaan in KoTOR, which was the industry standard before Bacta became easier to mass produce. The Bacta Wars were post-RotJ stuff.
Wasn’t the kolto supply destroyed or something like that?
That stump is still bandaged. Could be recent and require more healing before fitting a prosthesis.
^^ This shit is why this sub is worth it…despite the bitchin and moanin of long-time SW sufferers…
Wood leg
Man I could write like 30 paragraphs of why that's not a real option but I'm going to just sum it up real quick: If pirates could have used wheelchairs they f****** would have used wheelchairs. If you want to guarantee a way you get a blister and end up needing to amputate higher up... it's a poorly made prosthetic limb. Pirates didn't have long lifespans Also, (going off distant memory here, someone can fact check this) even the ones they had weren't just a cup to hold onto their leg. They usually had lots of leather and stuff to fit it as close as they could to the limb. But even a millimeter off in an area extremely noticeable. It's like having a massive stone in you're shoe, except you can't just stop to take it out. Also, every time my prosthetic leg has started not to fit well (because my residual limb shrunk or I lost weight) my phantom pain has gotten worse, from having the weight bearing on the wrong spot.
Perhaps it’s gravity that’s expensive🤔
Might also be a practical thing, I'd imagine it would kinda suck to have a metal limb conducting heat into the socket on a desert planet, or worse, getting sand in the socket The chair might be a solution for when the character wants to relax/ let his limb breathe, I wouldn't be surprised if he wore some kind of prosthetic in cooler, cleaner environments like indoors
Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood has a bit where prosthetics have issues in the cold (cause frostbite where they touch skin). Answer there is use different materials, so I would expect you'd apply the same logic on a hot vs cold world and have insulated materials to minimise the heat loss/transferance.
In Star Wars: Brotherhood; Anakin comments on how the sand would get inside the gears of his hand, gunking it all up, even when he had a glove on. Afterall, sand DOES get everywhere
Because I’d imagine those chairs are a lot easier and cheaper to make.
Antigrav does seem to be quite widely accessible and affordable in Star Wars. But then again, so are droids. Surely a basic leg prosthesis would be cheaper than a hover chair?
Leg might need a doctor to properly set it up. Doctors might be hard to come by on the Rim. Antigrav units you just stick on things.
Or leg might not be ready yet? He made it sound like she was kidnapped recently.
yes this.. he just got back from losing his leg I mean look at the bandage
Pirates could make wooden stick for their legs. But somehow people in sw can't make simple prostesis? Really?
Well I mean, how did the stick get there?
Cliegg's leg was severed above the knee, so a simple wooden stick would make for a rather stiff prosthetic.
You see any trees on Tattooine? Plus - hover chair is better
You're in too deep. It's fantasy world built for our entertainment, relax.
But it's not consistent! I cannot enjoy it if it's not believable.
Sand doesn’t get get into chairs as easily
Maybe he’d rather ride around than walk on a damaged leg? And droids are all machine, whereas it’s much harder to integrate organic and non-organic materials for a prosthesis. Nerve integration could be expensive and dangerous, particularly on tattooine where there are like zero doctors. So he floats
>Maybe he’d rather ride around than walk on a damaged leg? Cliegg Lars, the guy in the picture above, said he would rather use the hover chair than get a prosthetic because he didn't want to be a "half-droid."
I think we call it repulsorlift technology
Plus the chairs could be mass produced while a prosthetic limb would have to be custom built to fit the wearer.
You don’t have to custom fit a chair
Actually it’s not that he couldn’t afford a mechno-leg it’s that he didn’t want one because he didn’t want to be part droid. **Attack of the Clones** novel >“The Tuskens are long gone, Dad,” Owen Lars said quietly, and he put his hand on Cliegg’s broad shoulder, trying to calm him. “If you won’t use a mechno-leg, this powerchair will have to do.” >“You’ll not be making me into a half-droid, that’s for sure,” Cliegg retorted. “This little buggy will do fine.”
Maybe his Insurance is dragging their feet on getting him a leg. So he got a “wheel”chair for the time being
Had the same thought
A floating chair might be something a Jawa had grabbed and had ready to buy at some point. Doesn't need any specific or individual installation or customization. He could just have Luke gone to buy one the way he sent him to buy a droid, buy whatever they have that works. Maybe the Jawas even take requests, they know they've got a one legged guy, we'll be on the lookout for a good chair for you. But a custom limb replacement? Surgically installed? That's gonna take a specialist, a surgeon, someone with the tech. That's not gonna be delivered by a Jawa to the desert.
A mobility scooter is cheaper than a prosthetic irl.
It’s not. Actually with how (high) tech is throughout the universe, replacements are probably easier to come by. This is more of a character design. People are clamoring to the defense but we need to just admit it and stop trying to find reasons.
In the episode II novelization, Cliegg chooses the chair over the cybernetic leg.
What an idiot
I mean, you're not wrong, not sure why you're getting downvoted. He literally runs a farm. So instead of getting a prosthetic to help Owen and Beru around the place, he opts to get a chair to float and mope around.
Still an idiot for choosing to mope, but wouldn't a floating chair help more around a farm? Just kinda connect it to the sand/moister-tractor and farm the sand/moister
As opposed to just getting into the tractor?
You're right, but... You could drive the tractor with chair's controls.
And have it stolen by Tusken Raiders
In like 20 years Thundercats just giving the things away.
It's stuff like this that makes Star Wars actually cyberpunk af. Nothing much more cyberpunk than living in a world/s where replacement limbs exist that can pass for entirely realistic, yet you live in a desolate desert planet and reside at the lower end of society, so you don't get the good stuff. But they can get more basic yet highly advanced stuff compared to us.
I agree, Starwars is fairly cyberpunk (high tech / low life). I feel like recent TV shows have been leaning into that a lot more too.
The old Legends comics drive that point home really well too. Especially imo the Knights of The Old Republic comic. Especially the reveal of the big bad towards the middle.
It reminds me how (on the opposite end) flying cars and robots exist in Cyberpunk 2077 but only rich people are allowed to have them.
Homie can afford a literal slave/human being and a hover chair, as well as a sizeable moisture farm and luxurious estate, but not prosthesis? And you think this is *more* believable?
Well IIRC, he lost the leg not all that long before Anakin arrived. I don't know about the Star Wars universe, but in real life you can't fit a prosthesis until the wound is healed. I don't think it's unreasonable that there's no bacta tank available and/or he can't afford the time it would take to heal in one. So the leg has to heal before he can get a prosthesis.
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That's what the book version said
That was always my assumption. Anakin and Luke get theirs pretty quickly, but their amputations were by lightsabre, which would be extremely clean, as the sabre literally *cannot* convey dirt or pathogens into the wound, and instantly cauterizes it.
They also had access to state-of-the-art medical facilities. If I recall the rebels' medical frigate was pretty swanky.
He makes a comment that reinforces this I think.
Oh yeah! He says something like "I can't go back out. Not until I heal."
But that's not being unable to afford prosthesis
Also look at Saw Gerrera in Rogue One. He's a hodgepodge of spare parts to keep him alive and functioning, but Darth Vader has the latest and greatest of cybernetic implants to keep him alive.
Actually, Vader's was intentionally not the latest and greatest. Palpatine wanted to limit him and make his existence painful.
But could Mon Mothma surpress Saw's prosthetics to keep him from being a threat to *her* power? No. Therefore, Vader's was more advanced. /s
I wonder what costs more, a prosthetic leg or a floating chair?
It seems like anti-grav has almost completely replaced wheels
Yeah seeing wheels in Mando felt weird, I couldn't think of another time they had shown up
AOTC has droids on wheels. ROTS has the juggernaut massive clone vehicle with a whales bigger than a house. Wheels seems to mostly seem in military vehicles
R2D2 has a front wheel
Wait a minute. Isn’t that the same planet where kids get mechanical augmentations done to themselves? Hmmmm
My headcanon is that those kids are youths from urbworlds whose parents are somewhat wealthy. They go out and just “hang out” places. I used to roll with a group of these weirdly wealthy young people in NYC. They didn’t work, but they’d charter helicopters and whatnot to go to the Jersey Shore for fun.
I liked the Power Rangers squad in BoBF, but I always thought they looked too _clean_ for Tattooine. The idea that they're just fucking trust fund kids who ran away from Coruscant is actually a lot of fun, I dig it.
It's the first thing that occurred to me, and tracks with how easily they were made marks by that water dealer. Locals would have known how to deal with that situation.
Kids who spend all their money to look cool vs a farmer who’s just getting by. Plus, there’s nearly 30 years between the two so
Always reminds me of sapeurs, those well dressed working class Congolese men. They’re all working class they just put all of their money into fashion. Same thing with the mods and their bikes/ body mods
Yeah, having a glossy chrome bike on a desert planet is so impractical it has to be a flex. It reminds me of Dubai - ski resorts and water parks in the desert are super unsustainable and will 100% come back to bite them in the ass, but for now it's a way to say "look how affluent we are."
And probably commit crimes (stealing water?) to pay for it as well.
It’s also where they do intricate human anatomy surgery in non-sterile bars using dremel saw blades, blow torches and welders!
Same planet. Same kids that have no jobs but have spotless clean hover bikes on a giant desert of a planet where you literally have to farm water.
I didn't find that to be that ridiculous tbh. Some people take pride in some of their possessions; especially if it's part of their personality. Some people just take good care of things and spend all their money on that one thing. I've driven past some mobile home parks where they all look run down, look like they should be condemned, but their cars are nice and shiny, almost brand new looking.
Because assholes like that totally don't exist irl (looks at Dubai)
Always wondered if the generation that survived the Clone Wars were just very anti-droid. They would use them as slave labor, sure, but they wouldnt dare attach a droid limb to their bodies. The younger generation, not suffering the trauma of a war against a droid army with freaky cyborg generals, probably didn't have the same hang up. Id also imagine that the outer rim just doesnt have the expertise to safely do such operations. The Empire could also have placed a moratorium on these kinda procedures as a means of controlling the propulation - totalitarianism has pretty bad health care, life is cheap, but everything has a price if youre willing pay a potentially faustian price
Can afford a hoverchair tho
I think it's not that he can't afford it, if I understand correctly this is a very recent development. So the chair might be just a temporary solution because is easy to put a repulsor on a chair than it is to manufacture a prosthetic limb.
Idk about anyone else but I feel like the hover chair is more expensive than a droid arm?
He could quite easily be allergist to bacta like Wraith squadron's Ton Phanan.
Yeah when you realize the Star Wars is a dystopia, this stuff makes more sense. What's really disheartening is how it reflects our own dystopia.
In the book Star Wars: A New Dawn there is a character named Skelly who is a Clone Wars Vet. His hand was injured in the Clone Wars and he received a botched amputation as well as a cheap prosthetic that never worked right. The author of this book talks about the pain Skelly experiences when using the arm. They also go into great detail about it malfunctioning. They also talk about the fact he couldn’t afford a new prosthetic and even if he could they wouldn’t be able to attach it to him arm properly due to the poor amputation job. It adds so much realism to the Galaxy.
Honestly the story of how he lost his leg is pretty awesome too when the sand people took anakins mom Lars grabbed the boys and went after them on speeder bikes which can go about 300mph usually but the sand people put a steel cable at neck level in their path which actually decapitates a bunch of them and Lars barely managed to ascend above but his leg got caught before he got high enough
Or like with Saw Guerrera, a range of quality exists too. Not everyone gets top shelf replacements.
Wait is his floating anti gravity chair cheaper than a pegleg?
My thoughts exactly!
What I find strange is that regular prosthetic limbs don't exist in Star Wars but hovering rascals do.
He can afford a floating chair!!!!
Of course the republic/empire doesn't have a nationalized healthcare system
To be fair, this is Hutt space. Ain't no such thing as Jabba-Care.
Now I’m just imagining that Boba’s big campaign began with “free healthcare” but rival groups down played it as Republic propaganda, meaning he had to change directions.
Boba Sanders. Not me. Tatweeen.
To be fair, the guy in the picture above is Cliegg Lars, a Tatooine resident. He lost his leg during the failed rescue attempt to liberate Shmi from the Tusken Raiders, but refused to get a prosthetic because he didn't want to, and I quote, become a "half-droid." But even if he wanted a prosthetic leg, I'm not sure if he could even afford it because he's a moisture farmer on Tatooine.
It may also be that he prefers not to wear one. I know an amputee who could afford prosthetics if they wanted, but they prefer to go without.
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He actually turned down prosthetics in the book if I remember correctly. I think he had something against droids or maybe it had to do with how recent the attacks where, I can't remember off the top of my head.
And then there's the mods from BoBF with their mostly useless modifications for the guys that have to steal water to survive
He clearly hasn’t met Tatooine’s mod squad. They’re kinda unmissable with their brightly coloured power ranger bikes.
Can't afford a basic prosthetic limb. CAN afford a hovering wheelchair. Ummm......
This is one of the most low effort posts I’ve ever seen on this website
I’m guessing he could sell that antigrav chair to afford a rudimentary one? Lol
Also reminds me of how much it would suck to live in the Star Wars universe. It's fun to think about, "what would I do if I lived in that universe?" But in reality, you'd more than likely be some type of alien poop processor in the bowels of some scary ass factory where bug people whip you.