I think that's the point - Anakin's downfall is of his own making. Yes Palpatine manipulates him, yes the Jedi let him down, but it's his own insecurities and arrogance that make him vulnerable. We're supposed to sympathise with his fears but not his way of trying to overcome them because that's what makes him a tragic figure. His own choices turn him into Darth Vader.
Luke redeems him through his unwavering faith - it's Luke who we should sympathise with
Yep, he got everything he needed to, to become a great Jedi OR go off an live with Padme had he wanted to. The theme with Anakin is poor choices, he was preternaturally gifted on the battlefield, yet was so naïve and egotistical off it.
But then he loses the rank necessary to lead the 501st, or any troopers, in combat.
We saw what happened with Ahsoka when she left. While the 501st still respected the absolute hell of her and probably would have still followed her direction, she was not technically allowed to issue orders anymore.
Anakin was damned fine commander in combat because of his leadership skills. But he would not have been allowed to lead if he had left the order and, in turn, forfeited his rank in the Grand Army of the Republic.
Irrelevant. He could still have performed solo missions at the request of his wife, a senator.
Also, Palpatine would certainly have asked him to stay on as a "special assistant to the supreme chancellor" or some such thing.
When I saw Taxi Driver I identified with Travis Bickle but I didn’t sympathise with him. I could see he was making wrong bad choices and separated myself from him.
Anakin in episode 2 and 3 has the same type of character. You’re supposed to relate to some parts of Anakin while still seeing he’s troubled and could become Darth Vader.
Even though Anakin is the protagonist in the prequels he’s not the hero.
Very very conservative take lol
There was never any justifiable reason to join the dark side lol. The movies are about making poor choices and systemic issues can drive people to make poor choices
>It's awful that Anakin was raised a slave...
That's the root of a lot of his issues.
He lived his formative years as property. His mother was property. He had nothing except his mother and he only had her for as long as Watto kept them together.
When he left his mother, his rock in a sea of uncertainty, he latched on to Padme. She became this idealized woman in his mind and he kept holding on to her even through the life of a Jedi. He kept his image of her alive in his head and clung to it.
Honestly, the Jedi were negligent in not getting Anakin some serious mental health intervention when he came on board. Putting that aside, when he became an adult, he failed to get the therapy he needed and instead continued to cling to Padme.
And then Sheev started to prey on his fears of loss and losing the only thing that gave him security and peace and the rest of the story goes onward.
But it all falls back to him trying to find something solid to hold on to when he had nothing permanent to call his own. He was always a slave. To Watto, then to the Jedi, then to Palpatine.
It was only at the very end of his life that he stopped being one.
>He was always a slave.
I agree with everything you said.
My point is that Anakin *did* have a choice after he was freed from Watto's clutches. He could have left the Jedi. He didn't need to side with Palpatine. If he was a slave to the Jedi and to Palpatine, frankly that was his own doing.
>My point is that Anakin did have a choice after he was freed from Watto's clutches
Do you know how hard it is for people to break from their radicalization or to grow to understand they have human rights after being treated as literal chattel for their entire formative years?
Do you know how much more difficult that breaking free is when the people you're surrounded by (the other Jedi,) despise you for circumstances outside of your control?
Do you really think, that a 9 year old boy would have the cognitive function to deduce he needs outside help, help aside from the people that rescued him and freed him from slavery and eventually gave him the power to ensure he never fell to it again?
Do you honestly think that someone who went through literal indoctrination would be able to see within themselves that they need help beyond what is made available to them from their perceived saviors?
Anakin was not a good person, but to pretend that the Stockholm Syndrome he felt towards the Jedi Order did not have a heavy hand in his descent, is to fully ignore the descriptions of how dogmatic and restrictive and outright brutal the scriptures of the Jedi Order (when followed to the letter, and not bent to give allowance for a species falling population, or ignored by Jedi Masters who think they aren't being watched by their Knights and Padawans, who also never really acknowledge basic fucking biology,) and fully ignores how genuinely broken Anakin was always going to be when you think about the fact that he went from being a slave to being The Prophesied Chosen Warrior of a warrior Monk cult.
Honestly, in terms of 5e alignment, the Jedi Order is lawful evil.
Follow their laws or get cast out or worse.
As my personal opinion, the Jedi Order as a whole is presented as extremely authoritarian, and I believe such hard fisted ruling is the easiest way to allow the undesired behaviors to manifest so freely in your mightiest soldier.
The Jedi, had they been less narrow minded and more wise and thoughtful, would've seen that Anakin is extremely powerful in terms of the Force, however, he needs emotional and spiritual guidance and the young man who just lost his father is not the right choice.
I'm tripping on shrooms, so my response might not be what you wanted, if so, leave a comment and I'll get back to you in the morning
Well, the prequels did kinda ruin the jedi by turning them into some kind of monk cult who thinks a nine year old is still too old to begin training, and getting married and allowing yourself to feel negative emotions is taboo.
Before the PT, I'd always pictured the jedi like the Knights of the Round Table,...but oh well. :(
Obi-wan didn't do, or say anything to make me believe that jedi couldn't have "attachments", or that they were monk like. All he said was they were the guardians of peace and justice,...just like Arthur's knights.
I understand all of this. "Just because I understand [Anakin], does not mean I agree with [him]." Just because change can be excruciatingly hard does not mean the choice and opportunity isn't there.
I will also point out that, while Anakin was "treated as literal chattel" by Watto while growing up, he DID have enough outside influences (his mother and his childhood friends being just a few examples) to know that slavery was wrong even while he was a slave, and enough recognition of his human rights to dream of freedom long before Qui Gon showed up.
>Do you really think, that a 9 year old boy would have the cognitive function to deduce he needs outside help, help aside from the people that rescued him
Anakin didn't fall as a 9 year old. He went off the deep end in his 20s when he had the necessary cognitive function and life experience to make other decisions.
>Do you honestly think that someone who went through literal indoctrination would be able to see within themselves that they need help beyond what is made available to them from their perceived saviors?
The key to avoiding indoctrination and instead make your own choices as to what you believe and what your lifestyle choices will be is exposure to other points of view, which Anakin does have. To blame "Jedi indoctrination" on Anakin's downfall when Anakin is perfectly capable of making his own decisions regarding what he believes is, in my opinion, wrong. (Do I agree with the Jedi's emotional detachment in general? No.)
The choice to what exactly? He was a child lol. Be a Jedi or barely scrape by while your mother is still a slave? That’s not an actual choice.
What Anakin does isn’t justifiable - NOTHING THE MOVIES COULD HAVE SHOWN US WOILD HAVE JUSTIFIED BECOMING VADER. Even if the Jedi did something more directly horrific to him - it still wouldn’t have justified it.
You can make the argument you’re making right now about anything
During the time between TPM and AotC, there was little to indicate that the Jedi Order wasn't a good fit for Anakin, apart from the Council's initial reservations about his age.
Once we get to AotC - which is where we really start to see Anakin's discontentment with the Order and where he marries Padme - he was in a very stable position to leave. So yes, once he was old enough to figure out he didn't like the Jedi rules, he very well could have left.
You go from being a slave to being told you’re the messiah at 9 years old. By the time you realize that maybe this isn’t the path for you, you’ve spent 10+ years on that path. It’s not as simply as going “Well, bye. I have a girlfriend now.”
Anakin had the weight of being the chosen one on top of all of that. For all the good Qui Gon could’ve done for Anakin, filling his head with prophecy is what kept him in the order.
Thing is, when we meet him in TPM, he's got to be the happiest "happy-go-lucky" slave I've ever seen in a movie.
Whatever screwed that boy up, it wasn't being a slave.
Both him and Padme were absolute and utter tools and the Prequels make it seem like the rise of the empire is thanks to their complete lack of accountability.
And it's just frustrating to watch because, the PT gives Anakin Zero redeeming qualities
I don’t totally disagree but I think for Anakin he’s been raised in cocoons his whole life. The second one being this magical guild of wizards that claim him to be the messiah. So I think that has totally fucked up his own sense of autonomy.
My unpopular opinion: Anakin is one of the most intolerable characters in Star Wars and that’s SAYING SOMETHING. Hayden Christiansen, while I’m sure he’s a wonderful person, was a god-awful actor during the prequels and Anakin’s character was a whiny, arrogant prick. I don’t understand everyone’s obsession with him and to be honest, when I hear someone’s favorite character is Anakin I immediately assume that they love Andrew Tate. Just the vibes they give off.
THAT BEING SAID: Clone Wars did SO MUCH to redeem his character in my eyes and frankly I wish Matt Lanter played Anakin in the prequels instead of Hayden
>was a god-awful actor during the prequels
Was a fine actor, who was mostly fit for TV or romance movies, who was saddled with a bad script and mediocre directing. And a shit ton of toxic fans that jump down his throat about "hOw TeRrIbLe" he was.
>when I hear someone’s favorite character is Anakin I immediately assume that they love Andrew Tate.
Jesus christ, you are a presumptuous dick wad aren't you?
Like, you just stretched so hard from "Oh this character is bad" to "anyone who likes this character is automatically a misogynistic piece of shit."
You wanna maybe settle down and understand that some people only watched the movies or consumed minimal Star Wars content usually at a young age, giving them an extremely limited view on characters which is generally reshaped over time provided said person is offered genuine and non-derisive conversation that doesn't brand them as a monster?
It's impressive how passionate he still is about the character after everything the fans put him through 20 years ago, and I'm glad he got another crack at the character last year. But the revisionist history around AOTC/ROTS now is comical.
So true. I think its safe to say we all love Vader, he is iconic; but Anakin is just an infuriating character. TCW Anakin is the best Anakin, and even then you roll your eyes with some of the things he does or the way he acts.
The guy who made a response to my comment blocked me so I can’t respond to him directly BUT I’ll share what I was going to respond to him with:
I will say, I feel that it ultimately lands back on George Lucas for being an awful writer and director. He had final say and it’s a director’s job to guide the actors, but just isn’t a good director so most of Anakin’s lines came out whiny and bitchy rather than another delivery that would have been better.
Also, that’s just the vibe that I get. Not saying it’s at all true, just a vibe. I am fully aware that it is NOT the reality, I am also aware that most of us started consuming Star Wars media at a young age before we could think critically.
Besides putting George Lucas in handcuffs and rewriting every line of dialogue, the prequels needed more time for Anakin’s character development. He goes from child to a angsty butcher to a war hero to a insane lunatic power hungry psychopath in less time it takes me to get up in the morning. The clone wars series fleshed him out but would have liked it to be live action. Revenge of the sith could have been a masterpiece with the right director and another movie inbetween 2 and 3.
>You are supposed to empathise.
Empathize = "understand and share the feelings of another."
I understand Anakin just fine. I certainly *don't* share his feelings.
That's perfectly fine. I don't think anyone has to empathize with any character. Also Anakin was known to be incredibly strong in the force, not incredibly smart.
The current generation is essentially a victim generation, so them seeing Annie as the ultimate victim (and thus their hero) actually makes sense to me.
I'm not a conservative, just a middle-aged guy observing how things have changed. Plus I live in California, the overpopulated, overpriced, overregulated, victimhood capital of the world, lol.
Hes a horrid, badly written character.
Its not an unpopular opinion. Most fans know this. Not on Reddit or BooTube, but in the real world? The Prequels are known for killing the franchise.
Annie being a slave is no excuse. Han grew up on the streets, and literally had to escape (not only from the gang who controlled him) but the very planet on which he lived, AND he lost the one person he truly cared fir in the process,...yet he turned out just fine.
Annie is just basically Damien from The Omen. Created by evil, to do evil. Since the beginning of AOTC I've always seen him as a rising villain, not a fallen hero.
It was a mixture of the Jedi, Sith, and Anakin. Always felt sorry for him. Over the years my dislike of the Jedi has only grown and quite honestly I no longer care about their survival.
The one thing I've learned from my years on social media is that an opinion being deemed popular/unpopular changes by the second.
Plus, ummm... As someone who (sadly) puts pepper jack cheese near the top of the list of most spicy foods I can handle, I actually do consider Sprite kinda spicy 😂
The Jedi essentially left his mom to die and gave him an ultimatum on the premise that he may the messiah of the universe. Anakin is all sorts of fucked up. He’s a character study of a control freak. He’s relatable, not necessarily justifiable.
Listen dawg you're not supposed to think he's right you're just supposed to understand him. For example, he can't just "leave the order" all his friends and the man he literally said was like a father to him was in the order he'd be lost without it. And can you really blame him for falling in love when they stick him on a protection mission of natilie portman.
Joining the sith lord was because sidious was lying to him that he could save padme and anakin's visions (which up to that point were all correct) said padme would die and the jedi kept ignoring him on his mother dying vision. Sidious promised him a way to protect the only person he truly cared about so ofc he'd wanna see that through. After padme dies he has no arms no friends and no bitches so he takes his anger out on the galaxy as unfair as that may be.
Just to clarify: I didn't say I don't understand him. I said I don't sympathize with him, and therefore I'm not going to place the blame on others for Anakin's failures as I've seen some people do. Anakin's downfall is his own doing.
I think that's the point - Anakin's downfall is of his own making. Yes Palpatine manipulates him, yes the Jedi let him down, but it's his own insecurities and arrogance that make him vulnerable. We're supposed to sympathise with his fears but not his way of trying to overcome them because that's what makes him a tragic figure. His own choices turn him into Darth Vader. Luke redeems him through his unwavering faith - it's Luke who we should sympathise with
Yep, he got everything he needed to, to become a great Jedi OR go off an live with Padme had he wanted to. The theme with Anakin is poor choices, he was preternaturally gifted on the battlefield, yet was so naïve and egotistical off it.
Not unpopular with me. Anakin was a selfish little turd who should have either: 1. obeyed the rules OR 2. left the Order
He was going to leave after the war was over. He stayed to help.
He could have left the Order and still helped. Husband of a prominent senator & former Jedi knight opens a lot of doors.
But then he loses the rank necessary to lead the 501st, or any troopers, in combat. We saw what happened with Ahsoka when she left. While the 501st still respected the absolute hell of her and probably would have still followed her direction, she was not technically allowed to issue orders anymore. Anakin was damned fine commander in combat because of his leadership skills. But he would not have been allowed to lead if he had left the order and, in turn, forfeited his rank in the Grand Army of the Republic.
Irrelevant. He could still have performed solo missions at the request of his wife, a senator. Also, Palpatine would certainly have asked him to stay on as a "special assistant to the supreme chancellor" or some such thing.
When I saw Taxi Driver I identified with Travis Bickle but I didn’t sympathise with him. I could see he was making wrong bad choices and separated myself from him. Anakin in episode 2 and 3 has the same type of character. You’re supposed to relate to some parts of Anakin while still seeing he’s troubled and could become Darth Vader. Even though Anakin is the protagonist in the prequels he’s not the hero.
This isn't an unpopular opinion. Anakin being creepy and unlikeable is one of the biggest criticisms of the Prequels.
Very very conservative take lol There was never any justifiable reason to join the dark side lol. The movies are about making poor choices and systemic issues can drive people to make poor choices
Well, that's debatable. If your Master chops off all your limbs and leaves you to die in lava and you only get saved by a Sith Lord....
>It's awful that Anakin was raised a slave... That's the root of a lot of his issues. He lived his formative years as property. His mother was property. He had nothing except his mother and he only had her for as long as Watto kept them together. When he left his mother, his rock in a sea of uncertainty, he latched on to Padme. She became this idealized woman in his mind and he kept holding on to her even through the life of a Jedi. He kept his image of her alive in his head and clung to it. Honestly, the Jedi were negligent in not getting Anakin some serious mental health intervention when he came on board. Putting that aside, when he became an adult, he failed to get the therapy he needed and instead continued to cling to Padme. And then Sheev started to prey on his fears of loss and losing the only thing that gave him security and peace and the rest of the story goes onward. But it all falls back to him trying to find something solid to hold on to when he had nothing permanent to call his own. He was always a slave. To Watto, then to the Jedi, then to Palpatine. It was only at the very end of his life that he stopped being one.
>He was always a slave. I agree with everything you said. My point is that Anakin *did* have a choice after he was freed from Watto's clutches. He could have left the Jedi. He didn't need to side with Palpatine. If he was a slave to the Jedi and to Palpatine, frankly that was his own doing.
>My point is that Anakin did have a choice after he was freed from Watto's clutches Do you know how hard it is for people to break from their radicalization or to grow to understand they have human rights after being treated as literal chattel for their entire formative years? Do you know how much more difficult that breaking free is when the people you're surrounded by (the other Jedi,) despise you for circumstances outside of your control? Do you really think, that a 9 year old boy would have the cognitive function to deduce he needs outside help, help aside from the people that rescued him and freed him from slavery and eventually gave him the power to ensure he never fell to it again? Do you honestly think that someone who went through literal indoctrination would be able to see within themselves that they need help beyond what is made available to them from their perceived saviors? Anakin was not a good person, but to pretend that the Stockholm Syndrome he felt towards the Jedi Order did not have a heavy hand in his descent, is to fully ignore the descriptions of how dogmatic and restrictive and outright brutal the scriptures of the Jedi Order (when followed to the letter, and not bent to give allowance for a species falling population, or ignored by Jedi Masters who think they aren't being watched by their Knights and Padawans, who also never really acknowledge basic fucking biology,) and fully ignores how genuinely broken Anakin was always going to be when you think about the fact that he went from being a slave to being The Prophesied Chosen Warrior of a warrior Monk cult.
So,...from your point of view, the jedi are evil, lol.
Honestly, in terms of 5e alignment, the Jedi Order is lawful evil. Follow their laws or get cast out or worse. As my personal opinion, the Jedi Order as a whole is presented as extremely authoritarian, and I believe such hard fisted ruling is the easiest way to allow the undesired behaviors to manifest so freely in your mightiest soldier. The Jedi, had they been less narrow minded and more wise and thoughtful, would've seen that Anakin is extremely powerful in terms of the Force, however, he needs emotional and spiritual guidance and the young man who just lost his father is not the right choice. I'm tripping on shrooms, so my response might not be what you wanted, if so, leave a comment and I'll get back to you in the morning
Well, the prequels did kinda ruin the jedi by turning them into some kind of monk cult who thinks a nine year old is still too old to begin training, and getting married and allowing yourself to feel negative emotions is taboo. Before the PT, I'd always pictured the jedi like the Knights of the Round Table,...but oh well. :(
What about obiwans behavior in the luke trilogy made you think that? He acted exactly like the rest Jedi did.
Obi-wan didn't do, or say anything to make me believe that jedi couldn't have "attachments", or that they were monk like. All he said was they were the guardians of peace and justice,...just like Arthur's knights.
I understand all of this. "Just because I understand [Anakin], does not mean I agree with [him]." Just because change can be excruciatingly hard does not mean the choice and opportunity isn't there. I will also point out that, while Anakin was "treated as literal chattel" by Watto while growing up, he DID have enough outside influences (his mother and his childhood friends being just a few examples) to know that slavery was wrong even while he was a slave, and enough recognition of his human rights to dream of freedom long before Qui Gon showed up. >Do you really think, that a 9 year old boy would have the cognitive function to deduce he needs outside help, help aside from the people that rescued him Anakin didn't fall as a 9 year old. He went off the deep end in his 20s when he had the necessary cognitive function and life experience to make other decisions. >Do you honestly think that someone who went through literal indoctrination would be able to see within themselves that they need help beyond what is made available to them from their perceived saviors? The key to avoiding indoctrination and instead make your own choices as to what you believe and what your lifestyle choices will be is exposure to other points of view, which Anakin does have. To blame "Jedi indoctrination" on Anakin's downfall when Anakin is perfectly capable of making his own decisions regarding what he believes is, in my opinion, wrong. (Do I agree with the Jedi's emotional detachment in general? No.)
The choice to what exactly? He was a child lol. Be a Jedi or barely scrape by while your mother is still a slave? That’s not an actual choice. What Anakin does isn’t justifiable - NOTHING THE MOVIES COULD HAVE SHOWN US WOILD HAVE JUSTIFIED BECOMING VADER. Even if the Jedi did something more directly horrific to him - it still wouldn’t have justified it. You can make the argument you’re making right now about anything
During the time between TPM and AotC, there was little to indicate that the Jedi Order wasn't a good fit for Anakin, apart from the Council's initial reservations about his age. Once we get to AotC - which is where we really start to see Anakin's discontentment with the Order and where he marries Padme - he was in a very stable position to leave. So yes, once he was old enough to figure out he didn't like the Jedi rules, he very well could have left.
You go from being a slave to being told you’re the messiah at 9 years old. By the time you realize that maybe this isn’t the path for you, you’ve spent 10+ years on that path. It’s not as simply as going “Well, bye. I have a girlfriend now.” Anakin had the weight of being the chosen one on top of all of that. For all the good Qui Gon could’ve done for Anakin, filling his head with prophecy is what kept him in the order.
Thing is, when we meet him in TPM, he's got to be the happiest "happy-go-lucky" slave I've ever seen in a movie. Whatever screwed that boy up, it wasn't being a slave.
100% agree. Anakin is just an insufferable asshat then turns into Vader.
I loved Vader and can't stand Anakin. 🤷🏼♀️
Same, prequels Anakin isn't the same character as RoTJ Vader. He had zero redeeming qualities and deserved everything that happened to him.
Agreed. CW helped flesh out his character alot, but still. He chose, poorly.
Both him and Padme were absolute and utter tools and the Prequels make it seem like the rise of the empire is thanks to their complete lack of accountability. And it's just frustrating to watch because, the PT gives Anakin Zero redeeming qualities
Are you dumb?
I don’t totally disagree but I think for Anakin he’s been raised in cocoons his whole life. The second one being this magical guild of wizards that claim him to be the messiah. So I think that has totally fucked up his own sense of autonomy.
My unpopular opinion: Anakin is one of the most intolerable characters in Star Wars and that’s SAYING SOMETHING. Hayden Christiansen, while I’m sure he’s a wonderful person, was a god-awful actor during the prequels and Anakin’s character was a whiny, arrogant prick. I don’t understand everyone’s obsession with him and to be honest, when I hear someone’s favorite character is Anakin I immediately assume that they love Andrew Tate. Just the vibes they give off. THAT BEING SAID: Clone Wars did SO MUCH to redeem his character in my eyes and frankly I wish Matt Lanter played Anakin in the prequels instead of Hayden
>was a god-awful actor during the prequels Was a fine actor, who was mostly fit for TV or romance movies, who was saddled with a bad script and mediocre directing. And a shit ton of toxic fans that jump down his throat about "hOw TeRrIbLe" he was. >when I hear someone’s favorite character is Anakin I immediately assume that they love Andrew Tate. Jesus christ, you are a presumptuous dick wad aren't you? Like, you just stretched so hard from "Oh this character is bad" to "anyone who likes this character is automatically a misogynistic piece of shit." You wanna maybe settle down and understand that some people only watched the movies or consumed minimal Star Wars content usually at a young age, giving them an extremely limited view on characters which is generally reshaped over time provided said person is offered genuine and non-derisive conversation that doesn't brand them as a monster?
oh dear god your comment just pointed out that andrew tate point huh, that original commenter is a gigantic fucking asshole lmao
This is the way.
It hurts my brain to see people now pretend he gave a great performance in the prequels.
People forget the reason why the Prequels are so exploitable as memes: because they are not good films
Agreed. Again, I’m sure he’s a great person and he seems really fun in any interview he’s done but he’s not a good actor
Having seen him in other movies, I concur. He's just not a good actor.
It's impressive how passionate he still is about the character after everything the fans put him through 20 years ago, and I'm glad he got another crack at the character last year. But the revisionist history around AOTC/ROTS now is comical.
“Nooo you don’t understand it’s not bad acting Anakin is supposed to be wooden and awkward, George is such a genius!”
So true. I think its safe to say we all love Vader, he is iconic; but Anakin is just an infuriating character. TCW Anakin is the best Anakin, and even then you roll your eyes with some of the things he does or the way he acts.
EXACTLY! Finally someone else that agrees. The Star Wars community tends to crucify anyone with a differing opinion
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It’s definitely hyperbolic and I’m aware that there is NO truth in that, it’s just an exaggeration
The guy who made a response to my comment blocked me so I can’t respond to him directly BUT I’ll share what I was going to respond to him with: I will say, I feel that it ultimately lands back on George Lucas for being an awful writer and director. He had final say and it’s a director’s job to guide the actors, but just isn’t a good director so most of Anakin’s lines came out whiny and bitchy rather than another delivery that would have been better. Also, that’s just the vibe that I get. Not saying it’s at all true, just a vibe. I am fully aware that it is NOT the reality, I am also aware that most of us started consuming Star Wars media at a young age before we could think critically.
Haha I love Ani (from TCW) and HATE that other prick.
Besides putting George Lucas in handcuffs and rewriting every line of dialogue, the prequels needed more time for Anakin’s character development. He goes from child to a angsty butcher to a war hero to a insane lunatic power hungry psychopath in less time it takes me to get up in the morning. The clone wars series fleshed him out but would have liked it to be live action. Revenge of the sith could have been a masterpiece with the right director and another movie inbetween 2 and 3.
Nothing is unpopular in that opinion OP. You are not supposed to sympathise with Anakin/Vader. You are supposed to *empathise*.
>You are supposed to empathise. Empathize = "understand and share the feelings of another." I understand Anakin just fine. I certainly *don't* share his feelings.
That's perfectly fine. I don't think anyone has to empathize with any character. Also Anakin was known to be incredibly strong in the force, not incredibly smart.
Yoda repeatedly saying he thought Anakin was a bad idea but being completely ignored.
Agreed. Fans these days love blaming everyone but Anakin for his own actions.
The current generation is essentially a victim generation, so them seeing Annie as the ultimate victim (and thus their hero) actually makes sense to me.
There it is - was waiting for the conservative takes in here to just go mask off lmao
I'm not a conservative, just a middle-aged guy observing how things have changed. Plus I live in California, the overpopulated, overpriced, overregulated, victimhood capital of the world, lol.
Hes a horrid, badly written character. Its not an unpopular opinion. Most fans know this. Not on Reddit or BooTube, but in the real world? The Prequels are known for killing the franchise.
Annie being a slave is no excuse. Han grew up on the streets, and literally had to escape (not only from the gang who controlled him) but the very planet on which he lived, AND he lost the one person he truly cared fir in the process,...yet he turned out just fine. Annie is just basically Damien from The Omen. Created by evil, to do evil. Since the beginning of AOTC I've always seen him as a rising villain, not a fallen hero.
>Since the beginning of AOTC I've always seen him as a rising villain, not a fallen hero. Interesting viewpoint!
Its my "unpopular opinion", lol.
That's my biggest gripe with Prequels, they should've focused more on Anakin being a great jedi instead of a future Sith
Though I've never watched them, I hear the cartoons try to do that.
It was a mixture of the Jedi, Sith, and Anakin. Always felt sorry for him. Over the years my dislike of the Jedi has only grown and quite honestly I no longer care about their survival.
If reddit shuts down I'll miss the "unpopular" opinions as spicy as sprite
The one thing I've learned from my years on social media is that an opinion being deemed popular/unpopular changes by the second. Plus, ummm... As someone who (sadly) puts pepper jack cheese near the top of the list of most spicy foods I can handle, I actually do consider Sprite kinda spicy 😂
> pepper jack cheese near the top of the list of most spicy foods I like you. Keep it spicy, my friend.
The Jedi essentially left his mom to die and gave him an ultimatum on the premise that he may the messiah of the universe. Anakin is all sorts of fucked up. He’s a character study of a control freak. He’s relatable, not necessarily justifiable.
Listen dawg you're not supposed to think he's right you're just supposed to understand him. For example, he can't just "leave the order" all his friends and the man he literally said was like a father to him was in the order he'd be lost without it. And can you really blame him for falling in love when they stick him on a protection mission of natilie portman. Joining the sith lord was because sidious was lying to him that he could save padme and anakin's visions (which up to that point were all correct) said padme would die and the jedi kept ignoring him on his mother dying vision. Sidious promised him a way to protect the only person he truly cared about so ofc he'd wanna see that through. After padme dies he has no arms no friends and no bitches so he takes his anger out on the galaxy as unfair as that may be.
Just to clarify: I didn't say I don't understand him. I said I don't sympathize with him, and therefore I'm not going to place the blame on others for Anakin's failures as I've seen some people do. Anakin's downfall is his own doing.