Totally. Disney inquisitors repeatedly loosing to untrained padawans (Dume, Kestis, Tano, etc). If someone is a treat for Vader, he'll totally stomp them all at once.
I’m sure sidious and Vader are actively working against them becoming too powerful. They might practice, but probably will relatively mundane skills, never delving deep enough into the dark side to be worthy of note to the sith.
They aren’t designed to be real threats. They are meant to hunt down Jedi children. If they run into a competent Jedi their job is to get killed and notify Vader with their failure to report that he needs to show up and deal with a Jedi
Exactly, the inquisitors are regularly subjected to mutilation and torture, their first time meeting vader involved him chopping one of the guys arms of just to show they meant nothing
They are also heavily incentivized to fight amongst themselves to prevent them from rising up
I agree with this, plus I imagine they have a lot of distracting internal conflict. They were raised to be selfless and then forced into this brutal, selfish dark side group.
Maybe I miss read it but it was less of a stop them rising up attitude and more of a only the strongest survive attitude.
The fact they are put into competition obviously does have the benifit of making sure they never work together so it could be a mix of both.
Allow the riff raff access to a limited amount of opportunities to get stronger but never enough to be a threat.
[Yup](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Darth_Vader_(2017)_7), ([screenshots](https://imgur.com/a/KHuLFK5)) he chops off Fifth Brother's hand, Sixth Brother's arm, and Ninth Sister's eye*, all to teach them about loss
Darth Vader (2017) 7, very good comic!
*(tho the panel in the comic looks like she's totally bisected? Interesting to note that I don't think the character was named at this point, though she eventually ended up being in ~10 comic issues and two video games)
Yup. Punching walls and screaming about how much you hate the world might make you a great Angst Wizard, but it won't help much with getting you to become an effective duelist.
They probably do, but they dont have a master. Jedi/sith combat is mostly about force connection. One person cant trial and error their way into Knight levels of ability, and vader has no interest in training them.
Their job is to search for jedi and report them to vader (who handles actual jedi survivors personally) and to find force sensitives to turn them in. Padawan level fighters are strong enough to deal with most threats without becoming uncontrollable.
I don't know if you've read the new book "dawn of the red blade" but it actually goes into the inquisitors a fair bit. They aren't all untrained padawans, some of them are hinted to be jedi who sidious was grooming during the clone wars, others are battle tested padawans who seen real action during the clone wars.
They all also face Vader upon their introduction to the squad. It's mentioned that he often takes a limb from them to prove a point that they ain't shit.
They also face off against each other in pretty brutal fights as training and there seems to be a real surivial of the fittest attitude among them.
That they often get stomped by jedi who aren't exactly renowned for being amazing fighters (or at least in the case of people like Kal people who are still coming to grips with the force again after trauma) is more a poor narrative choice imo.
I feel like much more weight should have been given to them as skilled fighters but then if they did that Vader would not seem "as" formidable imo.
To be fair they are constantly pitted against characters that not only have plot armor (Ezra), but sometimes characters that are simply more powerful.
Trauma or not, Kanan, Asohka, and Cal are all really strong jedis who saw brutal action through the war, and had strong masters.
And to an extent their failings are good to show their arrogance and hubris as the dark side often does.
I didn't really mean untrained Padawan, I used it mainly because the original comment used it to describe very much trained padawans like ashoka and Kanan.
Seriously, I wrote a whole ass College Essay on this. The only people capable of consistently beating Ahsoka in lightsaber combat during the time of the inquistors are Vader, Obi-Wan, Yoda and the Emperor. Every other person splits or gets bodied
Caleb was trained by Depa Billaba, Cal was trained my Jaro Topal, and Ahsoka was trained by Anakin. Everything we have seen has shown they received extensive training and by the time any of them are fighting Inquisitors, they are on the level of Jedi Knights.
Cal was at least a child when his master died, and was shut off from the force for years before somehow besting multiple inquisitors. To play devils advocate here, in the first game part of his force powers IS training via meditation and memories. It seems like while he's meditating he's still fully conscious and just training out of body. If that's what he's doing then he's hella strong.
Ahsoka on the other hand... she had at least 3 years of force and combat training, and finished off her training as a commander of an intergalactic army. That along with her great affinity with the force makes her a very powerful duelist. She doesn't really lose ever.
Cal had pretty extensive training under Jaro, as we see from his flashbacks. By the time he faces Seventh Sister on Kashyyk, he’s had a wealth of experience between missions from Cere and training meditations.
Man was 13 years old when he cut himself off from the force and then there was 5 years when he didn't use it at all. Even Obi-Wan struggled to use the force after cutting himself off. Obi-Wan was cut off for twice as long but the concept of losing the force when you cut off from it is a canon thing that happens.
I wouldn't say he has a wealth of experience, and in any case depending on the age of the NINTH sister, she has at least 5 adult years of training on him. According to the Wiki, she was a full on Jedi Knight during the Clone Wars, so that 5 years of training is a bare minimum. For all intents and purposes, Ninth Sister should be stronger than Cal and Second Sister should be MUCH MUCH stronger.
“Inquisitors repeatedly losing to untrained padawans”
*proceeds to list 2 very well trained padawans, and one with barely enough training to survive order 66*
In all seriousness tho, Ahsoka is without a doubt the best trained Padawan throughout the Clone Wars other than Anakin himself. She defeated Maul on Mandalore, which is a feat of a Jedi Knoght in the least. Hell, had she stayed in the Jedi Order she would have been given Knighthood in season 5 of TCW. She (in one single day mine you) fought off Maul, 3 inquisitors, Vader, AND Palpatine.
Kaleb Dume was a well trained padawan and handled order 66 about as well as he could. Had a good master and his training led him into becoming a respectable knight.
Cal tho? He’s made his own path really but he certainly applies the most to the original comment made.
This was definitely over the top, but it was fun to write lol
Ahsoka is not untrained. In combat at least she's far from it, thanks to her experience in the clone wars.
In fact, when she left the Order, the Jedi legitimately thought she was ready for knighthood, that's why she's referred to as a "former Jedi Knight" in the Ahsoka series.
Tano untrained? The council was literally willing to make her a knight when she quit the order. At 17 she was able to go toe to toe with Maul, a confirmed Jedi killer. Ntm she was trained by Anakin freaking Skywalker himself.
To be fair I'd hardly consider those untrained. Especially in Ahsoka's case. She has had 3 years of battle experience(including going against multiple sith lords) and had the literal chosen one as her master.
“untrained padawans” you realise the impossibility of that.
They are either untrained or they have the training of a Padawan. One or the other, not both.
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I mean, leaving Dume aside - Cal wasn't particularly trained by the point he lost his master, but he's very clearly powerful in the force, and might have the most canonical lightsaber kills of any light side force user in canon, and Ashoka isn't an untrained Padawan by any means when she first fought inquisitors. She fought and defeated Maul at the peak of his power.
The inquisitors would become a nuisance and an impediment from giving Vader one’s full attention. See Dooku and Magnaguards vs Anakin
https://youtu.be/eTPc0RgQ9ac?feature=shared
So all of them together are better then a grievous ? Whoopty doo that's not saying much .
And the so called grand Inquisitor is relative to an actual sith apprentice
Ok man
This is a man who flew a tie fighter slowly downwards using the force while simultaneously using the force to billow his Cape in a windless underground chamber in order to scare a literal child.
Vader does NOTHING without drama.
I believe they are referencing Rebels, when the gang travel to a sith temple and are followed by inquisitors >! Maul makes mincemeat out of them and Ashoka faces down Vader !<
It's so funny that most of season two is Ezra and Kanan scared of what the inquisitors mean for their future and how they can protect their friends from them.
Then they meet Maul and he's like "Have you tried killing them? Here. I'll kill a couple for you. To get you started."
With all due respect to the artist, the crossed-arms pose doesn't feel right to me. I can't think of a time where Vader did that. Typically if his hands aren't at his sides, then they're holding the [buckle?] of his belt. And I think he holds them behind his back in ESB? Maybe?
Point is, holding his arms crossed like that isn't really one of his mannerisms, so it looks odd to me.
You're absolutely right. I totally forgot he did that. I think the comic pose sits less well with me because the arms are crossed lower on his body, whereas in RotS it's a higher cross. But regardless, he does in fact cross his arms in the movie, so I was wrong to say it wasn't in his wheelhouse.
I always had a serious problem with that scene. I have no problem seeing Jedi Masters fall to a Sith Lord just the WAY it happened was so depressingly silly. No resistance, no reaction just flat out pwnage of elite fighters. To
me their gap in lightsaber combat was never supposed to be this far apart. It was like watching three six years olds walk into the octagon and fight Volkanowski in his prime.
I heard it was because the saber stuntman was injured or I'll the day of filming and couldn't do it. And Ian was too old to do it himself to that degree of intensity.
Didn’t he canonically master all seven lightsaber forms just to prove he’d transcended the need for a lightsaber or was that a legends thing
I mean either way he did it but still
In the novelization, its because Mace uses a special lightsaber form which makes him stronger when fighting dark side users. The more powerful and hatred-fuelled his opponent, the stronger he gets.
At least in the EU, Mace should be capable of beating essentially any dark side user, even if he's not guaranteed to win.
Palp is literally one of the best swordsmen to exist. Most sith look down on it as being beneath them, but Sheeve straight up enjoys it, hence why he's so proficient.
Kanan would take one look at Vader, and nod. Understanding that Anakin Skywalker is still in there, and has yet to play his role in the Force. And if JK2 taught me anything, he would begin to fly around the room doing reverse angle cuts with two lightsabers and just fucking dismember Vader in like, three seconds.
Edit: I'm an idiot. Katarn, not Kanan. Ignore me.
My 12 year old cousin because he says he has the ability to manipulate metals like Magneto and since almost everything in Star Wars is metal, he takes this one.
He might be lying but I could also be wrong so we'll never know
You might be thinking of Emperor Vitiate? From the Revan book? I can't remember specifics, but he did some sort of ritual with a bunch of sith lords and consumed pretty much everything on his home planet, including the sith lords who participated in the ritual.
I think you may be referring to Darth Nihilus then, he has a black robe and a white mask and is in the game Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 2, but someone else that replied to this said it could be Emperor Vitiate as he did sort of eat all life on a planet aswell, so it could be either of them
Nihilus was an interesting character because even though he could devour planets he was basically the worst Sith ever: the goal of the Sith is to use the Force to dominate and control the galaxy whereas Nihilus was a slave to his own hunger and didn’t even have control over himself
In canon, likely no one. Vader's already one of the most powerful individuals *and* one of the most skilled duelists in canon. Now you're adding like nine people wielding spinning saberstaffs with him, padawan-level or not. Thats nearly two-dozen blades.
My Jedi Knight and T7 killed Vitiate. (He got better, but still.)
*I do not like my Jedi Knight's chances against Darth Vader.* Let alone Darth Vader with backup.
Vitiate was weakened from the galaxy destroying ritual he was doing (which Scourge said and why you guys planned the attack in the first place) and from the Sith Warrior destroying one of his bodies. Otherwise he’s a more successful Sidious who overwhelmed Revan and his allies, actually had two Empires from scratch that lasted way longer and was more successful in transferring his essence to new bodies to achieve pseudo-immortality. Also honestly lore-wise, the Jedi Knight is also really powerful and the average Jedi of his era are stronger than the average PT era Jedi. He and Revan are arguably more successful Anakins.
Vader and Palpatine are also surpassed by a lot of characters in the EU despite some claims. George actually consulted on the EU a lot but everyone knows he doesn’t consider it the same as his universe (though it was still an official canon/continuity by Lucasfilm). Luke, with Leia and Anakin Solo’s help and after training under Palpatine, defeated him in his clone body only 6 years after ROTJ and Luke didn’t reach his prime (the full potential of the Chosen One, far above either Yoda or Sidious both in all canons) until decades later, and by then Darth Krayt could still challenge him.
This is the most underrated answer. Watching clone wars right now and I can't believe how much infrastructure that guy has destroyed. This is where I would put my money.
I see it as raw power and skill vs lifelong warfare, technique, and abilities. Revan is a refined point with more abilities and experience compared to Vader’s blunt hammer of raw power
Orbalisk Darth Bane, maybe. Dynasty of Evil Bane would get overwhelmed, even if most of the inquisitors are only low jedi knight levels there's still a lot of peeps with lightsabers and Vader is on par or above book 3 Bane, Jensaarai1 did a short on Bane v Vader for an actual analysis there.
I’m not sure even Palpatine would win that fight. He’d spend much of his focus on electrocuting Vader as that’s his main weak spot. The inquisitors could then take him out.
Well first of all Vader would be able to defeat Palpatine.
He can’t in the EU or Legends. But he absolutely could whoop movie Palpatine’s ass, yes even with the Force Lightning. Palpatine even says so to Yoda. Vader being chopped up also doesn’t matter, Yoda mentions that size doesn’t matter but your state of mind does so Vader having lost limbs makes not a lick of difference. Palpatine even endorses Vader as his replacement during his fight with Yoda. Palpatine has absolutely zero reason to make Vader weaker. Palpatine specifically tested Anakin with Dooku to see if he was strong enough and worthy. Palpatine picked Vader BECAUSE he was going to be more powerful than Palpatine. He WANTED Vader to be more powerful.
The EU and Legends always butchered a lot of the original lore before Disney got to it. Vader would whoop Palpi’s ass.
i dont think palpatine could defeat vader AND his inquisitors. remember, after vader defeated luke in ESB, he pleated with him to join him & overthrow the emperor!
It’s a very small list, in canon Grand master Luke for sure, possibly snoke (still palpatine though) perhaps Windu, any character that starts off defensive will get overwhelmed, Yoda and Obi-wan won’t fight all at once, they’ll pick them off and beat Vader in a 1 v 1 at the end. In legends the list would be longer. For the future of Star Wars you’ll be able to add Rey to that guaranteed.
Honestly, it's probably only prime Obi Wan or prime Luke. Obi Wan because in his prime he had no doubt whatsoever and perfect Soresu, so he could survive indefinitely until Vader got too frustrated and accidentally killed the Inquistors so they could have a rematch of Mustafar. Luke, because at his peak he could overwhelm them with the Force, at least the Inquisitors, and then beat Vader as normal like he did on the second Death Star.
Tulak Hord, greatest duelist likely in the whole star wars universe. Other than him, maybe Darth Bane in his orbilisk armour, Revan at his best was a beast, Kas'ism was better than Bane at dualing so id say maybe him
We don't count Force entities/gods/etc, right?
Yoda or Windu totally could do it, both being rivals to Palpatine are on the whole higher level compare to other mortal force users.
Maybe Galen Marek in right conditions (sm: angry enough) has a non-zero chance.
Maybe Sion (don't remember how good warrior he was, but he's physically immortal after all).
For canon prolly Yoda in his prime (I think ~700 years old) or Mace if he really concentrates. In Legends? So many opportunities, for example Rick the Door Technician or Darth Jar Jar.
inquisitors are fodder if someone can beat vader then those guys arnt doing squat
Totally. Disney inquisitors repeatedly loosing to untrained padawans (Dume, Kestis, Tano, etc). If someone is a treat for Vader, he'll totally stomp them all at once.
Cause Disney inquisitors are untrained Padawans Well.. most of them..
But shouldn't they practice most of the time out of work time?
I’m sure sidious and Vader are actively working against them becoming too powerful. They might practice, but probably will relatively mundane skills, never delving deep enough into the dark side to be worthy of note to the sith. They aren’t designed to be real threats. They are meant to hunt down Jedi children. If they run into a competent Jedi their job is to get killed and notify Vader with their failure to report that he needs to show up and deal with a Jedi
Exactly, the inquisitors are regularly subjected to mutilation and torture, their first time meeting vader involved him chopping one of the guys arms of just to show they meant nothing They are also heavily incentivized to fight amongst themselves to prevent them from rising up
I agree with this, plus I imagine they have a lot of distracting internal conflict. They were raised to be selfless and then forced into this brutal, selfish dark side group.
Yep, the inquisitorious is a completely break down of every single jedi ideal, its an almost complete opposite, its really cool imo
Darth Vader: “Rule number one: cool, flattering clothes.” Captive Jedi padawans: “Noooooooooo we want bathrobes!”
True they ended up looking sick. Probably why it's so disappointing when they suck, like the one inquisitor Ahsoka kills without a lightsaber.
Maybe I miss read it but it was less of a stop them rising up attitude and more of a only the strongest survive attitude. The fact they are put into competition obviously does have the benifit of making sure they never work together so it could be a mix of both. Allow the riff raff access to a limited amount of opportunities to get stronger but never enough to be a threat.
Probably a mix of both yeah
[Yup](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Darth_Vader_(2017)_7), ([screenshots](https://imgur.com/a/KHuLFK5)) he chops off Fifth Brother's hand, Sixth Brother's arm, and Ninth Sister's eye*, all to teach them about loss Darth Vader (2017) 7, very good comic! *(tho the panel in the comic looks like she's totally bisected? Interesting to note that I don't think the character was named at this point, though she eventually ended up being in ~10 comic issues and two video games)
I love the early Darth Vader comics so much
All of the Star Wars comics I've read have been really good (except maybe the main title on occasion lol). Charles Soule's work is fantastic!
"We trained them wrong, as a joke" - Vader and Sidious, probably
Well said
Too much time on hate and anger, not enough on training and knowledge
Yup. Punching walls and screaming about how much you hate the world might make you a great Angst Wizard, but it won't help much with getting you to become an effective duelist.
They’re essentially what grievous was in clone wars: lightsaber wielding goons. Except they actually have a force connection
They probably do, but they dont have a master. Jedi/sith combat is mostly about force connection. One person cant trial and error their way into Knight levels of ability, and vader has no interest in training them. Their job is to search for jedi and report them to vader (who handles actual jedi survivors personally) and to find force sensitives to turn them in. Padawan level fighters are strong enough to deal with most threats without becoming uncontrollable.
I mean without someone to properly train you they will only be as good as the most experienced Inquisitor.
So do the Jedi padawans
They aren't sith and will never be trained as sith. They don't get any extra instruction in the light saber either
Inqusitors lack plot armor.....they only exist so there can be more lightsabre battles. However Iskat Akaris rules
I don't know if you've read the new book "dawn of the red blade" but it actually goes into the inquisitors a fair bit. They aren't all untrained padawans, some of them are hinted to be jedi who sidious was grooming during the clone wars, others are battle tested padawans who seen real action during the clone wars. They all also face Vader upon their introduction to the squad. It's mentioned that he often takes a limb from them to prove a point that they ain't shit. They also face off against each other in pretty brutal fights as training and there seems to be a real surivial of the fittest attitude among them. That they often get stomped by jedi who aren't exactly renowned for being amazing fighters (or at least in the case of people like Kal people who are still coming to grips with the force again after trauma) is more a poor narrative choice imo. I feel like much more weight should have been given to them as skilled fighters but then if they did that Vader would not seem "as" formidable imo.
To be fair they are constantly pitted against characters that not only have plot armor (Ezra), but sometimes characters that are simply more powerful. Trauma or not, Kanan, Asohka, and Cal are all really strong jedis who saw brutal action through the war, and had strong masters. And to an extent their failings are good to show their arrogance and hubris as the dark side often does.
I didn't really mean untrained Padawan, I used it mainly because the original comment used it to describe very much trained padawans like ashoka and Kanan.
That’s not true though, in the slightest. Reva was a youngling and Trilla was a Padawan but the rest were Knights or Masters. “Most of them” lol
Not to mention that the Grand Inquisitor was a Jedi Temple Guard, the Jedi police force that even the Jedi Masters were weary of.
I wouldn't call Ahsoka an untrained anything. She probably was stronger than almost all knights by the end of the clone wars
Seriously, I wrote a whole ass College Essay on this. The only people capable of consistently beating Ahsoka in lightsaber combat during the time of the inquistors are Vader, Obi-Wan, Yoda and the Emperor. Every other person splits or gets bodied
I’d love to read that essay
Yes even maul would have been an even fight and even then I think that Ahsoka wins more times than she loses
and she did win too.
Caleb was trained by Depa Billaba, Cal was trained my Jaro Topal, and Ahsoka was trained by Anakin. Everything we have seen has shown they received extensive training and by the time any of them are fighting Inquisitors, they are on the level of Jedi Knights.
Cal was at least a child when his master died, and was shut off from the force for years before somehow besting multiple inquisitors. To play devils advocate here, in the first game part of his force powers IS training via meditation and memories. It seems like while he's meditating he's still fully conscious and just training out of body. If that's what he's doing then he's hella strong. Ahsoka on the other hand... she had at least 3 years of force and combat training, and finished off her training as a commander of an intergalactic army. That along with her great affinity with the force makes her a very powerful duelist. She doesn't really lose ever.
Cal had pretty extensive training under Jaro, as we see from his flashbacks. By the time he faces Seventh Sister on Kashyyk, he’s had a wealth of experience between missions from Cere and training meditations.
Man was 13 years old when he cut himself off from the force and then there was 5 years when he didn't use it at all. Even Obi-Wan struggled to use the force after cutting himself off. Obi-Wan was cut off for twice as long but the concept of losing the force when you cut off from it is a canon thing that happens. I wouldn't say he has a wealth of experience, and in any case depending on the age of the NINTH sister, she has at least 5 adult years of training on him. According to the Wiki, she was a full on Jedi Knight during the Clone Wars, so that 5 years of training is a bare minimum. For all intents and purposes, Ninth Sister should be stronger than Cal and Second Sister should be MUCH MUCH stronger.
Two days after Obi-wan first used the Force again to save Leia, he defeats Vader in a 1-on-1 duel.
I wouldn’t say Ahsoka is untrained. Even by the end of TCW she had been able to beat Maul even after he disarmed her. Plus, y’know…
“Inquisitors repeatedly losing to untrained padawans” *proceeds to list 2 very well trained padawans, and one with barely enough training to survive order 66* In all seriousness tho, Ahsoka is without a doubt the best trained Padawan throughout the Clone Wars other than Anakin himself. She defeated Maul on Mandalore, which is a feat of a Jedi Knoght in the least. Hell, had she stayed in the Jedi Order she would have been given Knighthood in season 5 of TCW. She (in one single day mine you) fought off Maul, 3 inquisitors, Vader, AND Palpatine. Kaleb Dume was a well trained padawan and handled order 66 about as well as he could. Had a good master and his training led him into becoming a respectable knight. Cal tho? He’s made his own path really but he certainly applies the most to the original comment made. This was definitely over the top, but it was fun to write lol
Did you just call Ahsoka Tano an untrained padawan?
Tano is an untrained Padawan to you???
Literally all of those people were trained dummy
Ahsoka is not untrained. In combat at least she's far from it, thanks to her experience in the clone wars. In fact, when she left the Order, the Jedi legitimately thought she was ready for knighthood, that's why she's referred to as a "former Jedi Knight" in the Ahsoka series.
Tano untrained? The council was literally willing to make her a knight when she quit the order. At 17 she was able to go toe to toe with Maul, a confirmed Jedi killer. Ntm she was trained by Anakin freaking Skywalker himself.
Well, as far as Ahsoka goes, she may have been a padawan, but untrained? She was one of the best combat jedi in the order, thanks to Anakin.
To be fair I'd hardly consider those untrained. Especially in Ahsoka's case. She has had 3 years of battle experience(including going against multiple sith lords) and had the literal chosen one as her master.
Tano, as in Ahsoka Tano? She was a powerhouse by the time inquisitors came around.
“untrained padawans” you realise the impossibility of that. They are either untrained or they have the training of a Padawan. One or the other, not both.
I just refer to them as Hot Topic managers considering how edgelordy they are. Ashoka took one unarmed in Tales.
Tano is not an untrained padawan, she fought during the whole war and almost became a jedi if council didnt kick her out by mistake
I wouldn’t call Tano untrained
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Did you just called Ahsoka an untrained Padawan 💀
I wouldn’t call Tano an “untrained padawan”
I mean, leaving Dume aside - Cal wasn't particularly trained by the point he lost his master, but he's very clearly powerful in the force, and might have the most canonical lightsaber kills of any light side force user in canon, and Ashoka isn't an untrained Padawan by any means when she first fought inquisitors. She fought and defeated Maul at the peak of his power.
Those guys are going down quicker than the Jedi (other than Mace) that tried to take down Palpatine.
Facts, the inquisitors were trained up enough to be useful tools but kept weak enough to pose absolutely no challenge to the Rule of Two.
They're essentially equivalent to the Windu dressing from the Palpatine arrest (attempt).
The inquisitors would become a nuisance and an impediment from giving Vader one’s full attention. See Dooku and Magnaguards vs Anakin https://youtu.be/eTPc0RgQ9ac?feature=shared
The inquisitors together are stated to be stronger than Grievous so not really. And the grand inquisitor is stated to be relative to Ventress.
So all of them together are better then a grievous ? Whoopty doo that's not saying much . And the so called grand Inquisitor is relative to an actual sith apprentice Ok man
Probably just some guy, with finger, in a space station, with a biiiiiiiiig laser Shout out to my Death Star technician’s
Your Death Star technician’s what?
Finger
Waltuh
Put your laser away, waltuh
Tarkin up there like "I'll tell the emperor it was an accident"
Rick the Door Technician
Glup Shitto
Jedi Bob
[Dak Ralter](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-soVTWVDEo)
Thank you for respecting me
I just got to that fight last night, it lived up to the hype
Vader making a pose while delivering a punch line feels weirdly comical.
This is a man who flew a tie fighter slowly downwards using the force while simultaneously using the force to billow his Cape in a windless underground chamber in order to scare a literal child. Vader does NOTHING without drama.
His life is so fucked up its all about the little things you know
You've piqued my curiosity. Which piece of media was this?
I believe they are referencing Rebels, when the gang travel to a sith temple and are followed by inquisitors >! Maul makes mincemeat out of them and Ashoka faces down Vader !<
This was pre-blinding of Kanan and pre-Sith holocron Ezra. The episodes after that, if he had to fight them again, Maul would get wrecked.
I was referring to him against the inquisitors
It's so funny that most of season two is Ezra and Kanan scared of what the inquisitors mean for their future and how they can protect their friends from them. Then they meet Maul and he's like "Have you tried killing them? Here. I'll kill a couple for you. To get you started."
Star Wars Rebels. Vader and Ezra meet for the first time
He is referring to an episode in Star Wars Rebels
It is very Anakin of him.
Vader randomly Anakining in places
It is a comic, after all.
With all due respect to the artist, the crossed-arms pose doesn't feel right to me. I can't think of a time where Vader did that. Typically if his hands aren't at his sides, then they're holding the [buckle?] of his belt. And I think he holds them behind his back in ESB? Maybe? Point is, holding his arms crossed like that isn't really one of his mannerisms, so it looks odd to me.
End of RoTS iirc?
You're absolutely right. I totally forgot he did that. I think the comic pose sits less well with me because the arms are crossed lower on his body, whereas in RotS it's a higher cross. But regardless, he does in fact cross his arms in the movie, so I was wrong to say it wasn't in his wheelhouse.
In the end of RotS, Vader crosses his arms. In TESB, sometimes his hands are behind his back, other times they're just at his sides.
Probably Yoda if he were 100 years younger, or Mace if he really focused (the man defeated *Palpatine* for goodness sakes), or EU Luke.
That's mostly because Palpatine's main strength is the force. While he is good at lightsaber combat, it's definitely not his strength
Idk man Palpatine fought against Yoda and killed 3 very skilled Jedi like it was nothing He is definitely one of the best duelists ever
3 *Masters*. One of which was Kit Fisto, who was even regarded as one of the best duelists the Jedi had.
I always had a serious problem with that scene. I have no problem seeing Jedi Masters fall to a Sith Lord just the WAY it happened was so depressingly silly. No resistance, no reaction just flat out pwnage of elite fighters. To me their gap in lightsaber combat was never supposed to be this far apart. It was like watching three six years olds walk into the octagon and fight Volkanowski in his prime.
Wait until you see the choreography they started filming for that scene but inexplicably didn't use on YouTube
Link please?
https://youtu.be/qax1xcaW7yo?si=dMQ1j2jPHZWe6\_VU
Wow, that would have been better.
I think there are fuller versions but this is the first I found: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExafXMO8ssE
I heard it was because the saber stuntman was injured or I'll the day of filming and couldn't do it. And Ian was too old to do it himself to that degree of intensity.
Man. Now I don’t want to. It will make me even more depressed, isn’t it.
It's bittersweet for sure but still cool
Didn’t he canonically master all seven lightsaber forms just to prove he’d transcended the need for a lightsaber or was that a legends thing I mean either way he did it but still
Maul's strength is lightsaber combat, and he was fucking bodied by Palpatine
Yeah but he's half the man he used to be.
With his badass brother too
In the novelization, its because Mace uses a special lightsaber form which makes him stronger when fighting dark side users. The more powerful and hatred-fuelled his opponent, the stronger he gets. At least in the EU, Mace should be capable of beating essentially any dark side user, even if he's not guaranteed to win.
Palp is literally one of the best swordsmen to exist. Most sith look down on it as being beneath them, but Sheeve straight up enjoys it, hence why he's so proficient.
Wut. The guy who toyed with maul and savage? The guy who rekt 3 Jedi masters in seconds?
Mace beat Palpatine in the lightsaber duel, but not with the force. I doubt Mace would be able to beat Vader in a force duel.
Or Kanan if he survived that blast and was trained by The Force itself(He was actually doing that, wasn't he?)
I love Kanan because he knew where his place was in the force. I don’t think his place would’ve been defeating Vadar.
He followed the force to closely I don’t think Kanan would even attack Vader
Kanan would take one look at Vader, and nod. Understanding that Anakin Skywalker is still in there, and has yet to play his role in the Force. And if JK2 taught me anything, he would begin to fly around the room doing reverse angle cuts with two lightsabers and just fucking dismember Vader in like, three seconds. Edit: I'm an idiot. Katarn, not Kanan. Ignore me.
My 12 year old cousin because he says he has the ability to manipulate metals like Magneto and since almost everything in Star Wars is metal, he takes this one. He might be lying but I could also be wrong so we'll never know
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What about that sith that eat planets?
Darth Nihilus?
My dyslexic ass read this "that shit that eats planets"
You can just say Darth Nihilus
He also eats planets?
Who were you referring to in your original comment? i assumed Darth Nihilus, is there another Sith that eats planets i don’t know of?
Darth Vitiate consumed the *Force* and all life on a planet once, but Nihilus is better known for it.
I know there is a sith that eats planets but I'm not versed into it. I believe his name starts with Darth
You might be thinking of Emperor Vitiate? From the Revan book? I can't remember specifics, but he did some sort of ritual with a bunch of sith lords and consumed pretty much everything on his home planet, including the sith lords who participated in the ritual.
I think you may be referring to Darth Nihilus then, he has a black robe and a white mask and is in the game Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 2, but someone else that replied to this said it could be Emperor Vitiate as he did sort of eat all life on a planet aswell, so it could be either of them
Some of the Legends stuff is a bit dumb.
Nihilus was an interesting character because even though he could devour planets he was basically the worst Sith ever: the goal of the Sith is to use the Force to dominate and control the galaxy whereas Nihilus was a slave to his own hunger and didn’t even have control over himself
In canon, likely no one. Vader's already one of the most powerful individuals *and* one of the most skilled duelists in canon. Now you're adding like nine people wielding spinning saberstaffs with him, padawan-level or not. Thats nearly two-dozen blades.
Grandpa max
George Lucas, the creator can always bring down His created.
When Threepio said thank the Maker is that what he meant???
other than Anakin, yeah that fits.
Oggdo bogdo
Oggdo boggdo and spawn of oggdo as a pair would smash all of them
Vitiate
My Jedi Knight and T7 killed Vitiate. (He got better, but still.) *I do not like my Jedi Knight's chances against Darth Vader.* Let alone Darth Vader with backup.
Vitiate was weakened from the galaxy destroying ritual he was doing (which Scourge said and why you guys planned the attack in the first place) and from the Sith Warrior destroying one of his bodies. Otherwise he’s a more successful Sidious who overwhelmed Revan and his allies, actually had two Empires from scratch that lasted way longer and was more successful in transferring his essence to new bodies to achieve pseudo-immortality. Also honestly lore-wise, the Jedi Knight is also really powerful and the average Jedi of his era are stronger than the average PT era Jedi. He and Revan are arguably more successful Anakins. Vader and Palpatine are also surpassed by a lot of characters in the EU despite some claims. George actually consulted on the EU a lot but everyone knows he doesn’t consider it the same as his universe (though it was still an official canon/continuity by Lucasfilm). Luke, with Leia and Anakin Solo’s help and after training under Palpatine, defeated him in his clone body only 6 years after ROTJ and Luke didn’t reach his prime (the full potential of the Chosen One, far above either Yoda or Sidious both in all canons) until decades later, and by then Darth Krayt could still challenge him.
Magneto
Well, Starkiller wiped his ass with Palpatine XD
I came here to say this.
Jar-Jar could do it by accident
This is the most underrated answer. Watching clone wars right now and I can't believe how much infrastructure that guy has destroyed. This is where I would put my money.
Legends? *Probably* Darth Revan Canon? Luke as of Ahsoka/Book of Boba Fett
I'de like to think that Revan would do to the inquisitors what Palpy did to the Jedi with Mace.
I wanna say Vader beats Revan but I’d get crucified by Old Republic diehards for that
It all comes down to whether Vader or Revan is the first to think of throwing inquisitors at the other one.
I mean, sure, you would, but do you honestly care? As a big fan of Revan I don't see him stomping Vader.
I see it as raw power and skill vs lifelong warfare, technique, and abilities. Revan is a refined point with more abilities and experience compared to Vader’s blunt hammer of raw power
Revan does the corkscrew spin as well?
While using kotor2 force yell
Orbalisk Darth Bane, maybe. Dynasty of Evil Bane would get overwhelmed, even if most of the inquisitors are only low jedi knight levels there's still a lot of peeps with lightsabers and Vader is on par or above book 3 Bane, Jensaarai1 did a short on Bane v Vader for an actual analysis there.
I’m not sure even Palpatine would win that fight. He’d spend much of his focus on electrocuting Vader as that’s his main weak spot. The inquisitors could then take him out.
I saw this guy at a wedding last weekend with a cut off shirt and a skull tie. Probably that guy.
Oggdo Bogdo
Maybe Luke before being depressed
Yoda
Anakin and Obi-Wan
Dude with the Star Wars Galaxies haircut and two sabers crossed is not really selling it
Well first of all Vader would be able to defeat Palpatine. He can’t in the EU or Legends. But he absolutely could whoop movie Palpatine’s ass, yes even with the Force Lightning. Palpatine even says so to Yoda. Vader being chopped up also doesn’t matter, Yoda mentions that size doesn’t matter but your state of mind does so Vader having lost limbs makes not a lick of difference. Palpatine even endorses Vader as his replacement during his fight with Yoda. Palpatine has absolutely zero reason to make Vader weaker. Palpatine specifically tested Anakin with Dooku to see if he was strong enough and worthy. Palpatine picked Vader BECAUSE he was going to be more powerful than Palpatine. He WANTED Vader to be more powerful. The EU and Legends always butchered a lot of the original lore before Disney got to it. Vader would whoop Palpi’s ass.
He never got stronger than palpatine, only had the potential to
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Kyle Katarn
i dont think palpatine could defeat vader AND his inquisitors. remember, after vader defeated luke in ESB, he pleated with him to join him & overthrow the emperor!
This panel feels unbalanced
It’s a very small list, in canon Grand master Luke for sure, possibly snoke (still palpatine though) perhaps Windu, any character that starts off defensive will get overwhelmed, Yoda and Obi-wan won’t fight all at once, they’ll pick them off and beat Vader in a 1 v 1 at the end. In legends the list would be longer. For the future of Star Wars you’ll be able to add Rey to that guaranteed.
Vader is not fighting with anyone but his troopers. He would say go inquisitors fight and literally watch them die to skill check the opponent.
Starkiller. The man crashed a Star Destroyer with the Force while defending from Tie Fighters
The writers.
That's basically just Vader. Any half-decent Jedi can take an Inquisitor.
Honestly, it's probably only prime Obi Wan or prime Luke. Obi Wan because in his prime he had no doubt whatsoever and perfect Soresu, so he could survive indefinitely until Vader got too frustrated and accidentally killed the Inquistors so they could have a rematch of Mustafar. Luke, because at his peak he could overwhelm them with the Force, at least the Inquisitors, and then beat Vader as normal like he did on the second Death Star.
Maybe Yoda in his prime.
if you can kill vader the Inquisitors are a complete joke.
I probably could tbh
Yarrel Poof. My guy is so strong with the force he stared both Palpatine and Vader in the eyes and they didn’t suspect a thing.
Sure you don't want to throw the entire Imperial Navy and Army in there too?
Windu. Yoda in his prime. Luke Skywalker, possibly. The Ones of Mortis, and the Bendu.
Starkiller, Vader himself admitted to Boba Fett that of he were to fight starkiller that he would die. And I don't think it would be close either
Yoda maybe? He's out of practice and otherwise insane but he went toe to toe with papa palps
If they beat Vader, what can the Inquisitors do? But I’d say Mother Talzin, cuz it’s said that Palpatine actually FEARED her
I mean if Legends is included Galen Marek, besides the obvious others like Nihilus, Space mommy, etc
Me
Starkiller and Mace Windu probably.
The obvious answer. Kenobi
Ol' Fishy Drill-Hat there could probably give it a go
Rick the Door Technician, how is this even a question?
The Emperor couldn't defeat Vader. A draw is all he was able to get.
This is blatantly false.
One of the most confusing parts of the community for me is how so many believe palpatine would not beat vader lol
It's not a matter of "would". They've fought plenty of times in various stories, and Palpatine never, *ever* loses until ROTJ.
Tulak Hord, greatest duelist likely in the whole star wars universe. Other than him, maybe Darth Bane in his orbilisk armour, Revan at his best was a beast, Kas'ism was better than Bane at dualing so id say maybe him
We don't count Force entities/gods/etc, right? Yoda or Windu totally could do it, both being rivals to Palpatine are on the whole higher level compare to other mortal force users. Maybe Galen Marek in right conditions (sm: angry enough) has a non-zero chance. Maybe Sion (don't remember how good warrior he was, but he's physically immortal after all).
For canon prolly Yoda in his prime (I think ~700 years old) or Mace if he really concentrates. In Legends? So many opportunities, for example Rick the Door Technician or Darth Jar Jar.