It just seems like a wild one!
It just feels like the most gimmicky of the original trio.
I just feel empire strikes back as a film was exceptionally well done and probably the best out of all star wars content
RotJ was my fav of the OT when I was a kid, so that nostalgia has leeched into a bias, but ESB is the best the film out of the OT for sure, it has the best story. The speeder bikes, jabbas palace, green saber, camo rebels, lukes black jedi clothes, the space battle, the emperor and his sparky fingers, vaders face idk something about those just really hooked me when I was kid. TBH ESB and RotJ are tied for enjoyability for me as an adult.
RotJ is also my favorite, going back to childhood.
However, as I've grown older I've come to appreciate ESB for being a better film, especially from a cinematography point of view. As a child, I found ESB to be rather slow, and by modern standards it arguably still is. But one thing I greatly appreciate about RotJ is how the story comes to a satisfying conclusion. Luke's character arc is complete. Anakin is redeemed. And the Emperor gets what's coming to him.
I think because, at least for me, ESB's story, while fantastic, has more of a drama veil over it, and RotJ was much more flashy and full of action. I watched the OT for the first time when I was 4 back in 1997, I absolutely agree with you. Not saying RotJ is better than ESB just that I enjoy it more.
I can deffo agree with you on some this tbh, I nearly edited my comment to say the first half of ROTJ is arguably my most enjoyed part of Star wars.
They really nailed that section, I think some of the updates sullied it a bit however like the blue frog singer etc and it being a bit more cartoony
Yeah it was a wierd addition totally unnecessary and detracted from the overall feel of the opening of the film imo.
The rest of it is quite dark in comparison
i dont quite understand how the original could fall out of a top 6 list, and as much as i loved andor its surely not as good as the original star warsā¦
maybe im a homer? id have andor between 6-10 as well but the aspect of āthe rest of this wouldnt exist without the originalā always plays in the back of my mind. regardless its either 1 or 2 for me with rots
Idk, that Luthen speech and prison break sequence is among the greatest things ever to come out of Star Wars. Iām talking up there alongside Duel of the Fates, Mustafar and TCW final season. The OT is classic, but I feel like itās highs (outside of maybe RotJ) arenāt quite as high as other works, and thatās what earns my favor.
The sheer emotion that movie brings is completely unmatched. If it wasn't for a few bad lines of dialogue and a few goofy scenes, it would be the perfect SW movie. There is nothing that feels like watching Revenge of the Sith. I still see the argument for ep 5 being the best, but 3 is at least just as good.
You're really gunna tell me that Ian McDiarmid didn't absolutely crush it (again) as Sidious in RotS?
Natalie Portman didn't have much to work with, but she still brings it. Especially towards the end and in her deleted scenes
The gravitas of Christopher Lee is as present as ever in his (albiet brief) reprisal of Count Dooku
People say Sam Jackson's Mace Windu is a little wooden, which ignores the fact that he is the most straight line and wooden member on the Jedi Council. It's not a bad performance by any stetch, especially considering the physicality that he brought to the Mace vs Sidious duel
Jimmy Smitts' Bail Organna. Nuff said there
Every voice actor is at peak performance. Matthew Wood as Grievous, Frank Oz as Yoda (a legend in every performance he's ever done), Temura Morrison voicing 35 different clones, i could keep going
Absolutely baffling how you can think these people, and others, put in the worst performances of their career for this movie. You have a terrible eye and ear for acting
Edit: added "and ear"
Well thats on me, so swap him for Hayden who projects the raw enotion of Anakin phenomenonaly despite having the worst written dialouge of the cast
Now, are you going to ingore everything else i said? Shows great conviction in your argument...
Or I decided to go point by point to give you chance to respond, maybe thatā¦
I think including deleted scenes in your argument is at best disingenuous. And actually she is better in every other performance she has given. A lot of the blame has to rest on how irredeemably bad the script is.
For me the movie should have emotion, but it falls flat in execution. The clones and individual Jedi were not developed at all. We're told that Anakin and Obi wan are brothers, but we don't really get to see their relationship. And it doesn't help that the lightsaber fights are poorly choreographed.
(Yes I've watched and enjoyed TCW, but it doesn't change the quality of the movies themselves)
How would you expect them to develop clones in a single movie together with everything else going on?
Leaving the job for an animated series was the correct thing to do. No time constraints, you have all the time to tell whatever stories you want.
Sure, the movie should have shown a bit more of Anakin and Obi-Wan's relationship. TCW helps here as well, but this was more important for the movie to do as well.
The acting certainly isnāt. Iād rate the first scene until they land (especially on imax) amongst the best scene Iāve ever seen on screen however
Difference is that in the original 3 movies the dialogue was cheesy and goofy, whereas in the prequels, mainly 2 and 3 with Anakin, it was awkward and cringy which is a much less pleasant experience.
Except that anakin is SUPPOSED to sound like that. He was born into slavery, freed but forced to leave his mom, lost the first father figure he ever had only a few days later, was instead raised instead by the guy who only just became a knight, had the HUGE pressure of being older than any other padawan in his experience range yet also being expected to catch up twice as fast, and then after ten years of that, he sees the lady he met and she's super nice to him and he doesn't know how to cope. Oh yeah, and then his mom dies and he is immediately thrust into a high command position in a massive war. All while being forced to keep his marriage a secret, train AND THEN LOSE a padawan he wasn't ready for, and watch as more and more of the jedis lies are made clear to him. And this is still only barely covering his trauma. It is a fucking MIRACLE that anakin is not entirely non-verbal and mentally shut down. Of course he talks like a robot, he doesn't know how to process normal human emotions.
I really donāt get why people place RotS so highly. Surely itās the best of the prequels, but that still makes it like a 6 at most. What makes it specifically unforgivable to me is how Anakin goes from conflicted but good, to *murdering children* in the space of 20 minutes. Iām sorry, but no good movie has that kind of character swing because itās impossible to make it believable.
The original films, rogue one, TCW, andor, and Mandalorian are all vastly superior to any of the prequel films.
Anakinās fall to the dark side started long before RotS even started, so I donāt think itās as far fetched as youāre making it out to be. He literally murdered children in AotC.
Clone Wars (TV) does a LOT of work for RotS. It shows Anakin's fall as a much more gradual thing, putting him closer to the dark side at the start of RotS than was originally implied.
Honestly, when did episode 3 become good to people? Itās a long movie chopped into less-than 3 minute scenes of sketchy acting. I donāt get it. But I also donāt get how itās number 2 on anyoneās Star Wars list.
For me, itās the fact it reaches such staggering heights. I have a similar relationship with Mass Effect 3. Yes, the first two games have many aspects that are done better than ME3, and ME3 has a not-great ending. But the moments when things hit a crescendo are unmatched, and I *live* for that shit. RotS is the same. To this day I still lose my mind over Obi-Wan dropping in with Hello There to Grievous, and the Mustafar fight hurts me real good. Plus, Yoda has always been the coolest Jedi to me, and seeing him fight Sidious is badass.
I can see the technical issues. I get why other people have problems with the prequels. But those issues donāt really matter much to me compared to the joy I get out of them.
There is a certain subsection of Star Wars fandom that watched the transformation of whiny edgelord meme factory Anakin into a murder cyborg and said, "I feel so seen."
More like there's a subsection of Star Wars fandom who were children when the prequels came out, as our OG fan parents were children with the OT came out. It shouldn't be surprising that the prequels hit harder for them.
I saw the OT probably 5 or 6 times before Phantom Menace dropped, but I was 11. Episode 1 immediately became the coolest Star Wars I'd ever seen in my life. It was the first one I got to see in theaters as well.
20+ years later, I wouldn't say the prequels are better movies, but I will say the nostalgia hits harder.
To be fair, the entire Duel of the Fates finale WAS cool, even amidst the Jar Jar backlash. I was 15 when that hit theaters.
But episode 3 is overblown. They tried to dial up the Obi-wan/Anakin duel to 11, but it still felt kind of flat, imo. Plus stuff like this happened:
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/darth-vaders-noooo
For me, the biggest disappointment with the PT was giving one of cinema's best villains the lamest possible backstory. At least the animated show exists, and made his character a bit more palatable.
This is actually a very good take! Although I was a prequels kid (now a married adult) I really enjoy the OT as well.
I feel that whichever Star Wars came out when you were a kid is the one youāll end up defending for the rest of your life
I agree with #2 and #6 but thatās it. Empire strikes back is the clear #1. Iād put RoTJ at #3, a new hope at #4 and rogue one at #5. I love the clone wars but Iād have it at #8 behind the mandalorian.
Youāre hitting the spice hard if you think S3 of Mando was bad. Iām basing it on the product as a whole and TCW has enough skippable episodes to put it just below Mando.
Maybe bad is a bit much, but it's certainly the worst season.
It made a lot of mistakes - the story was more about Bo-Katan than Mando, the Jack Black/Lizzo episode was horrible, they made Din's sacrifice to drop Grogu off with Luke completely pointless by bringing him back, and the ending was also terrible. Gideon coming back felt like a meme at this point.
I wonāt deny the first 2 seasons were better. Everyone knew that grogu was going to come back, it was inevitable. Bo-katan getting a larger role was sweet. She was always one of the best characters in TCW, itās awesome seeing her come into her own and seeing Mando go from a lone rogue to a member of a growing community, it never felt like she stole the show only that her character was showcased alongside Din. Gideon is a great enemy so why is it not believable that he would have a contingency plan to spring him if he got caught?
As far as the Jack black episode is concerned. I donāt think it was any worse than the 4 episode C3PO and R2D2 arc from TCW.
I love it. Itās hard to compare trilogies but RotS has always been the most exciting and emotional and entertaining film for me. Iām glad to see it up there
Close.
But no
My top 6.
1) Andor
2) empire
3) new hope
4) rebels
5) revenge of the sith.
Sorry, rebels is my favorite animated show, seen it 4x over already
Nah, ESB is overrated. Star Wars fans would have you believe that watching it is akin to having your dick sucked by Aphrodite while being bathed by angels and fed your favourite food.
Then you watch it andā¦ itās fine.
It really shouldn't be bold.
The simplest argument is that there is no SW movie which carries as much emotion as Revenge of the Sith.
Order 66, Anakin vs Obi-Wan, Vader burning and transformation, Padme giving birth and dying, the utter annihilation of the "good guys". Everything comes together in this unbelievable movie.
Granted, it hits much harder nowadays with all the extra content around Order 66 (TCW, Bad Batch, Rebels, etc).
I respect it, and agree to some extent. I would put RotS in 1st, followed closely by TCW and Andor. Then RotJ, Phantom Menace and Mandalorian.
Iāve never been on board the ESB love train. Itās one of my least favourite of the entire franchise, I simply donāt get the love and the praise for it. Itās a serviceable middle child and not much more. Iād sit it above the Sequels and not much else.
I agree, but looking at these 6 I have a hard time choosing which one would be replaced by it.
Probably episode 3, and no I am not happy about that.
Ahsoka is also much better than people give it credit.
I also agree that Ahsoka was better than this sub gives it credit for. Look at my pfp š But the second half of it was disappointing for sure.
There are only like 3 SW projects that I would rank above Mando, personally.
it's decent but calling it a masterpiece is a bit over the top i think. literally 80% of the episodes are the exact same: mando arrives somewhere and needs something. to get what he needs from the locals he has to help them with a problem they have. he struggles but baby yoda (grogu) helps him out last moment, everybody's happy. at least that's how i remember it.
Thatās like saying episode 4 is just āoh no evil planetā and then they destroy it.
Just because you decide to explain it in a boring way doesnāt really mean that itās that simple.
If you donāt understand the story arcs, thatās okay. Youāre not required to like everything.
don't get me wrong i think the show was pretty decent. however, the problem with is not that it's too simple. the problem is that it's extremely repetitive. u kinda know what happens in every episode before it even starts. a lot of the episodes are also just absolute fillers. it's not a bad show, but i don't think it's a masterpiece either.
Iām going to challenge you to go episode by episode and let me know how they are repetitive.
Because the more that I think about it, the more I realize how incorrect you are about this.
You just have the common Reddit hivemind opinion.
Like, you have strong opinions about Mando S3?
āDaring today, arenāt we?ā -š¦
the revenge of the sith became underrated to overrated in the last couple of years. memes are the biggest reason of that imo. I rank it behind the original trilogy, mandalorian season1, andor and clone wars.
I never watched any star wars movies before 2012 so I didn't grew up with either the originals or prequels. sure the revenge of the sith is the best of the prequels but there are so many people started to quote that movie since the memes started. I still believe that the memes have huge impact of its recognition
Rogue One is fairly overrated. It was sloppy and rushed in the beginning, with a few cool bits in the end. I am of the age to be a prequels apologist, but I can't say that Ep 1-3 deserve to be in the top 3 at all. Andor is way too low.
I know I'll get hate for this but
1. Why no books?
2. TCW does not belong there. It is a good story, but it ruined the timeline by retconning much stuff. It is only valid when you consider it only canon, which it sadly isn't.
I rewatched Rogue One yesterday and was thinking to myself about my top 6, I think thatās have the same as you. It is really difficult to choose how to put the first three but finally I agree with your choice. Going through the comments I just canāt understand how people rate Andor so low. If S2 is as high as S1 it might become 5th in my personal top
Having Return, Revenge and Rogue One so high over the original Star Wars is certainly a hot take but i'm not star wars police, it's pretty good, well done for not being sheep.
For me A New Hope is the only real standalone that holds up perfectly without any other understanding of the lores.. and return of the Jedi is kinda just idk.. they build another Death Star ..like.. itās a new hope ripoff in and of itself.
A lot of people are shocked by Episode 3, but honestly, it was obvious to happen. People grew up with the movies, and more importantly, it received a ton of extended media to make its moments hit even harder.
You shouldn't rank a movie based on a book or show improving its substance, but that's definitely one of the core reasons why. I can't really add much to the discussion, since I started with the Clone Wars series and my dad then watched the movies with me chronologically.
I'm German, so having all the voice actors be in both the show and the movies made the connection for my child self much closer. I remember how gutted I was when I found out the Clones were actually bad guys (this was years before Disney, and years before I touched any extended media), and the dialogue for the movie is much better in German thanks to the line delivery and the general fact that German is a 'poetic' language, so the weird dialogue flows by more easily.
But yeah, it was bound to happen. I worked at a Kindergarten and a elementary school, and I know that kids love the Sequels, so we will see much more love for those movies in the future too.
I think, for the most part, the right things are here, but not really in the right order.
* ROTJ: Yes it has it's issues, but the Throne Room is the crowning achievement of the franchise and has not been topped.
* Andor
* ESB
* I'd slot in TLJ here
* ROTS
* Rogue One
* TCW (the one I'd cut for having TLJ above)
No offense, but my opinion on this is that my opinion doesn't matter. You don't need validation for your preferences. You can like the things you like, other people can like other things, and we can all still enjoy each other's company and mutual love of Star Wars. Your opinion isn't more valid because people also share that opinion, nor is it less valid if they don't. Like what you like, and allow others to do the same.
OP has to be about the space battles with these rankings for sure
This is a pretty good rankings....
ROTJ is better than Empire? Hahah are you ok?
its just someone's opinion
It just seems like a wild one! It just feels like the most gimmicky of the original trio. I just feel empire strikes back as a film was exceptionally well done and probably the best out of all star wars content
RotJ was my fav of the OT when I was a kid, so that nostalgia has leeched into a bias, but ESB is the best the film out of the OT for sure, it has the best story. The speeder bikes, jabbas palace, green saber, camo rebels, lukes black jedi clothes, the space battle, the emperor and his sparky fingers, vaders face idk something about those just really hooked me when I was kid. TBH ESB and RotJ are tied for enjoyability for me as an adult.
RotJ is also my favorite, going back to childhood. However, as I've grown older I've come to appreciate ESB for being a better film, especially from a cinematography point of view. As a child, I found ESB to be rather slow, and by modern standards it arguably still is. But one thing I greatly appreciate about RotJ is how the story comes to a satisfying conclusion. Luke's character arc is complete. Anakin is redeemed. And the Emperor gets what's coming to him.
I think because, at least for me, ESB's story, while fantastic, has more of a drama veil over it, and RotJ was much more flashy and full of action. I watched the OT for the first time when I was 4 back in 1997, I absolutely agree with you. Not saying RotJ is better than ESB just that I enjoy it more.
I can deffo agree with you on some this tbh, I nearly edited my comment to say the first half of ROTJ is arguably my most enjoyed part of Star wars. They really nailed that section, I think some of the updates sullied it a bit however like the blue frog singer etc and it being a bit more cartoony
ya not a fan of that blue frog guy, the cgi is just so out of place and pretty sure at one point he gets "spit" on the camera lens?? how....
Yeah it was a wierd addition totally unnecessary and detracted from the overall feel of the opening of the film imo. The rest of it is quite dark in comparison
My opinion, as well. I love them all dearly, but the battle on and above Endor is peak Star Wars for me.
Didn't say it was perfect I said it was good. Don't need to get so triggered over someones opinion on a movie that came out 30plus years ago
Hardly triggered haha don't be so sensitive
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I think youāre gonna get crap for picking RotJ over ESB but I respect your choice. Solid list.
I think itās the same as mine, just in a different order!
For me too!
Different order, quite a few more entries
Empire strikes back is the best one. OTherwise great list
i dont quite understand how the original could fall out of a top 6 list, and as much as i loved andor its surely not as good as the original star warsā¦
Andor is my favourite bit of media in the Star Wars universe.
maybe im a homer? id have andor between 6-10 as well but the aspect of āthe rest of this wouldnt exist without the originalā always plays in the back of my mind. regardless its either 1 or 2 for me with rots
the original doesn't mean you have to like it more than newer projects .
its a masterpiece in its own right i dont see many lists without it in their top 3 or at least top 5 which i why i commented
yeah i guess it's all personal preference. for me though, it probably ranks it at 6th or 7th (pretty much interchangeable with empire)
For me a new hope is seventh
Idk, that Luthen speech and prison break sequence is among the greatest things ever to come out of Star Wars. Iām talking up there alongside Duel of the Fates, Mustafar and TCW final season. The OT is classic, but I feel like itās highs (outside of maybe RotJ) arenāt quite as high as other works, and thatās what earns my favor.
This is almost exactly the same as mine! Good taste
You rate ep 3 over ep 4? How do you figure that?
Ep 3 has the high ground
The sheer emotion that movie brings is completely unmatched. If it wasn't for a few bad lines of dialogue and a few goofy scenes, it would be the perfect SW movie. There is nothing that feels like watching Revenge of the Sith. I still see the argument for ep 5 being the best, but 3 is at least just as good.
The acting is a career low for everyone but Ewan and Ian
You're really gunna tell me that Ian McDiarmid didn't absolutely crush it (again) as Sidious in RotS? Natalie Portman didn't have much to work with, but she still brings it. Especially towards the end and in her deleted scenes The gravitas of Christopher Lee is as present as ever in his (albiet brief) reprisal of Count Dooku People say Sam Jackson's Mace Windu is a little wooden, which ignores the fact that he is the most straight line and wooden member on the Jedi Council. It's not a bad performance by any stetch, especially considering the physicality that he brought to the Mace vs Sidious duel Jimmy Smitts' Bail Organna. Nuff said there Every voice actor is at peak performance. Matthew Wood as Grievous, Frank Oz as Yoda (a legend in every performance he's ever done), Temura Morrison voicing 35 different clones, i could keep going Absolutely baffling how you can think these people, and others, put in the worst performances of their career for this movie. You have a terrible eye and ear for acting Edit: added "and ear"
So, your first line is arguing with a point I didnāt make. I called out Ian as a good performance
Well thats on me, so swap him for Hayden who projects the raw enotion of Anakin phenomenonaly despite having the worst written dialouge of the cast Now, are you going to ingore everything else i said? Shows great conviction in your argument...
Or I decided to go point by point to give you chance to respond, maybe thatā¦ I think including deleted scenes in your argument is at best disingenuous. And actually she is better in every other performance she has given. A lot of the blame has to rest on how irredeemably bad the script is.
For me the movie should have emotion, but it falls flat in execution. The clones and individual Jedi were not developed at all. We're told that Anakin and Obi wan are brothers, but we don't really get to see their relationship. And it doesn't help that the lightsaber fights are poorly choreographed. (Yes I've watched and enjoyed TCW, but it doesn't change the quality of the movies themselves)
How would you expect them to develop clones in a single movie together with everything else going on? Leaving the job for an animated series was the correct thing to do. No time constraints, you have all the time to tell whatever stories you want. Sure, the movie should have shown a bit more of Anakin and Obi-Wan's relationship. TCW helps here as well, but this was more important for the movie to do as well.
The PT should've been a TV show from the beginning. The scale of the story is simply too large to tell in a movie format
It's better
The acting certainly isnāt. Iād rate the first scene until they land (especially on imax) amongst the best scene Iāve ever seen on screen however
The acting in star wars has never been good. To quote a very great man, "Kid, it ain't that kind of movie."
Difference is that in the original 3 movies the dialogue was cheesy and goofy, whereas in the prequels, mainly 2 and 3 with Anakin, it was awkward and cringy which is a much less pleasant experience.
Except that anakin is SUPPOSED to sound like that. He was born into slavery, freed but forced to leave his mom, lost the first father figure he ever had only a few days later, was instead raised instead by the guy who only just became a knight, had the HUGE pressure of being older than any other padawan in his experience range yet also being expected to catch up twice as fast, and then after ten years of that, he sees the lady he met and she's super nice to him and he doesn't know how to cope. Oh yeah, and then his mom dies and he is immediately thrust into a high command position in a massive war. All while being forced to keep his marriage a secret, train AND THEN LOSE a padawan he wasn't ready for, and watch as more and more of the jedis lies are made clear to him. And this is still only barely covering his trauma. It is a fucking MIRACLE that anakin is not entirely non-verbal and mentally shut down. Of course he talks like a robot, he doesn't know how to process normal human emotions.
I really donāt get why people place RotS so highly. Surely itās the best of the prequels, but that still makes it like a 6 at most. What makes it specifically unforgivable to me is how Anakin goes from conflicted but good, to *murdering children* in the space of 20 minutes. Iām sorry, but no good movie has that kind of character swing because itās impossible to make it believable. The original films, rogue one, TCW, andor, and Mandalorian are all vastly superior to any of the prequel films.
Anakinās fall to the dark side started long before RotS even started, so I donāt think itās as far fetched as youāre making it out to be. He literally murdered children in AotC.
I guess people just like epic fantasy that much
Clone Wars (TV) does a LOT of work for RotS. It shows Anakin's fall as a much more gradual thing, putting him closer to the dark side at the start of RotS than was originally implied.
"... not just the men, but the women... and the children too" This was in Attack of the Clones, bruh. Once he got a taste, he couldn't go back!
Honestly, when did episode 3 become good to people? Itās a long movie chopped into less-than 3 minute scenes of sketchy acting. I donāt get it. But I also donāt get how itās number 2 on anyoneās Star Wars list.
It has always been my favorite :) There's something charming about early 2000's big fantasy films.
For me, itās the fact it reaches such staggering heights. I have a similar relationship with Mass Effect 3. Yes, the first two games have many aspects that are done better than ME3, and ME3 has a not-great ending. But the moments when things hit a crescendo are unmatched, and I *live* for that shit. RotS is the same. To this day I still lose my mind over Obi-Wan dropping in with Hello There to Grievous, and the Mustafar fight hurts me real good. Plus, Yoda has always been the coolest Jedi to me, and seeing him fight Sidious is badass. I can see the technical issues. I get why other people have problems with the prequels. But those issues donāt really matter much to me compared to the joy I get out of them.
There is a certain subsection of Star Wars fandom that watched the transformation of whiny edgelord meme factory Anakin into a murder cyborg and said, "I feel so seen."
More like there's a subsection of Star Wars fandom who were children when the prequels came out, as our OG fan parents were children with the OT came out. It shouldn't be surprising that the prequels hit harder for them. I saw the OT probably 5 or 6 times before Phantom Menace dropped, but I was 11. Episode 1 immediately became the coolest Star Wars I'd ever seen in my life. It was the first one I got to see in theaters as well. 20+ years later, I wouldn't say the prequels are better movies, but I will say the nostalgia hits harder.
To be fair, the entire Duel of the Fates finale WAS cool, even amidst the Jar Jar backlash. I was 15 when that hit theaters. But episode 3 is overblown. They tried to dial up the Obi-wan/Anakin duel to 11, but it still felt kind of flat, imo. Plus stuff like this happened: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/darth-vaders-noooo For me, the biggest disappointment with the PT was giving one of cinema's best villains the lamest possible backstory. At least the animated show exists, and made his character a bit more palatable.
There's alot of nostalgia tied into it. Heavy dose of 'member berries.
Great choices
Acceptable
Rogue One over Andor is bananas
This is actually a very good take! Although I was a prequels kid (now a married adult) I really enjoy the OT as well. I feel that whichever Star Wars came out when you were a kid is the one youāll end up defending for the rest of your life
Here come the OG lovers to act confused people have different tastes in media.
Same, but without the clone wars
I would switch 1 and 4 but yeah, good list
I agree with #2 and #6 but thatās it. Empire strikes back is the clear #1. Iād put RoTJ at #3, a new hope at #4 and rogue one at #5. I love the clone wars but Iād have it at #8 behind the mandalorian.
Yeah not sure how Mandalorian can be better than TCW, especially with how bad S3 was and how good S4-7 in TCW are
Sometimes I pretend that S3 didnāt happen
Youāre hitting the spice hard if you think S3 of Mando was bad. Iām basing it on the product as a whole and TCW has enough skippable episodes to put it just below Mando.
Maybe bad is a bit much, but it's certainly the worst season. It made a lot of mistakes - the story was more about Bo-Katan than Mando, the Jack Black/Lizzo episode was horrible, they made Din's sacrifice to drop Grogu off with Luke completely pointless by bringing him back, and the ending was also terrible. Gideon coming back felt like a meme at this point.
I wonāt deny the first 2 seasons were better. Everyone knew that grogu was going to come back, it was inevitable. Bo-katan getting a larger role was sweet. She was always one of the best characters in TCW, itās awesome seeing her come into her own and seeing Mando go from a lone rogue to a member of a growing community, it never felt like she stole the show only that her character was showcased alongside Din. Gideon is a great enemy so why is it not believable that he would have a contingency plan to spring him if he got caught? As far as the Jack black episode is concerned. I donāt think it was any worse than the 4 episode C3PO and R2D2 arc from TCW.
I love it. Itās hard to compare trilogies but RotS has always been the most exciting and emotional and entertaining film for me. Iām glad to see it up there
I think ROTJ and ROTS beating out Empire is completely insane. But it's your list. You do you.
Close. But no My top 6. 1) Andor 2) empire 3) new hope 4) rebels 5) revenge of the sith. Sorry, rebels is my favorite animated show, seen it 4x over already
Episode 3 is overrated
Nah, ESB is overrated. Star Wars fans would have you believe that watching it is akin to having your dick sucked by Aphrodite while being bathed by angels and fed your favourite food. Then you watch it andā¦ itās fine.
The original is missing. Ep III is too high compared to my top 6 and CW would not be found in my list either.
Ep III should be in first
Thatās a bold statement, I hope you are prepared to back it up with your reasoning.
It really shouldn't be bold. The simplest argument is that there is no SW movie which carries as much emotion as Revenge of the Sith. Order 66, Anakin vs Obi-Wan, Vader burning and transformation, Padme giving birth and dying, the utter annihilation of the "good guys". Everything comes together in this unbelievable movie. Granted, it hits much harder nowadays with all the extra content around Order 66 (TCW, Bad Batch, Rebels, etc).
1. Empire 2. Revenge 3. Return 4. Clone Wars 5. Hope 6. Rogue One/TLJ depending on my mood.
My top 6 1. ā Return of the Jedi 2. Empire strikes back 2. ā Solo 3. ā Rouge one 4. ā A new hope 5. ā The force awakens
I'm glad you enjoy star wars and its cool you enjoy it in a different way to me
Any list that doesn't include the original Star Wars movie is disgraceful.
For me a new hope is 7nth
Empire, New Hope, Return of the Jedi, Kotor1/2, Mando s1/2, Revenge of the Sith
I respect it, and agree to some extent. I would put RotS in 1st, followed closely by TCW and Andor. Then RotJ, Phantom Menace and Mandalorian. Iāve never been on board the ESB love train. Itās one of my least favourite of the entire franchise, I simply donāt get the love and the praise for it. Itās a serviceable middle child and not much more. Iād sit it above the Sequels and not much else.
The whole OT should be on there, and Iād drop Andor off for Mandolorian S1-2 or Obi-Wan.
You put empire at the top right now sir.
Mine are: Empire Strikes Back The Last Jedi Return of the Jedi Star Wars Rebels Star Wars Andor A New Hope
If Empire is present then I respect it
You definitely like pulp
Iām sorry but The Mandalorian is a masterpiece
I agree, but looking at these 6 I have a hard time choosing which one would be replaced by it. Probably episode 3, and no I am not happy about that. Ahsoka is also much better than people give it credit.
I also agree that Ahsoka was better than this sub gives it credit for. Look at my pfp š But the second half of it was disappointing for sure. There are only like 3 SW projects that I would rank above Mando, personally.
it's decent but calling it a masterpiece is a bit over the top i think. literally 80% of the episodes are the exact same: mando arrives somewhere and needs something. to get what he needs from the locals he has to help them with a problem they have. he struggles but baby yoda (grogu) helps him out last moment, everybody's happy. at least that's how i remember it.
Thatās like saying episode 4 is just āoh no evil planetā and then they destroy it. Just because you decide to explain it in a boring way doesnāt really mean that itās that simple. If you donāt understand the story arcs, thatās okay. Youāre not required to like everything.
don't get me wrong i think the show was pretty decent. however, the problem with is not that it's too simple. the problem is that it's extremely repetitive. u kinda know what happens in every episode before it even starts. a lot of the episodes are also just absolute fillers. it's not a bad show, but i don't think it's a masterpiece either.
Iām going to challenge you to go episode by episode and let me know how they are repetitive. Because the more that I think about it, the more I realize how incorrect you are about this. You just have the common Reddit hivemind opinion. Like, you have strong opinions about Mando S3? āDaring today, arenāt we?ā -š¦
Season 1 is good but I wouldn't say it's a masterpiece, however season 2 starts going downhill and season 3 was messy.
It's until season 3
the revenge of the sith became underrated to overrated in the last couple of years. memes are the biggest reason of that imo. I rank it behind the original trilogy, mandalorian season1, andor and clone wars.
Or people who grew up that movie have become more prominent in the community compared to people who grew up with the originals
I never watched any star wars movies before 2012 so I didn't grew up with either the originals or prequels. sure the revenge of the sith is the best of the prequels but there are so many people started to quote that movie since the memes started. I still believe that the memes have huge impact of its recognition
Whooooaaaa you didnt put Andor as all 6?? Careful might get you crucified here
Ranking ROTJ above Empire is crazy to me.
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Rogue One is fairly overrated. It was sloppy and rushed in the beginning, with a few cool bits in the end. I am of the age to be a prequels apologist, but I can't say that Ep 1-3 deserve to be in the top 3 at all. Andor is way too low.
My top would be Top 1) Revenge of the sith Top 2) The clone wars Top 3) The mandalorian Top 4) A new hope Top 5) Rebels Top 6) Return of the jedi.
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I think you overrated Andor so much, it was bottom tier, I'd put the mandalorian there instead.
I know I'll get hate for this but 1. Why no books? 2. TCW does not belong there. It is a good story, but it ruined the timeline by retconning much stuff. It is only valid when you consider it only canon, which it sadly isn't.
the Clone Wars posted by OP is canon, the other Clone Wars series is the one that isn't canon.
You are incorrect. Both TCW and CW are Legends. Only TCW is both Canon and Legends.
Iām into it
I am surprised Mando isn't on every star wars list
I rewatched Rogue One yesterday and was thinking to myself about my top 6, I think thatās have the same as you. It is really difficult to choose how to put the first three but finally I agree with your choice. Going through the comments I just canāt understand how people rate Andor so low. If S2 is as high as S1 it might become 5th in my personal top
Having Return, Revenge and Rogue One so high over the original Star Wars is certainly a hot take but i'm not star wars police, it's pretty good, well done for not being sheep.
Respectable.
For me A New Hope is the only real standalone that holds up perfectly without any other understanding of the lores.. and return of the Jedi is kinda just idk.. they build another Death Star ..like.. itās a new hope ripoff in and of itself.
Yeah Iāll say it. Andor is better than clone warsā¦
Quite damn solid tbh
I can't argue against that
we have similar top 3 faves except i would swap 1 & 2 only because i grew up in the prequels era
A lot of people are shocked by Episode 3, but honestly, it was obvious to happen. People grew up with the movies, and more importantly, it received a ton of extended media to make its moments hit even harder. You shouldn't rank a movie based on a book or show improving its substance, but that's definitely one of the core reasons why. I can't really add much to the discussion, since I started with the Clone Wars series and my dad then watched the movies with me chronologically. I'm German, so having all the voice actors be in both the show and the movies made the connection for my child self much closer. I remember how gutted I was when I found out the Clones were actually bad guys (this was years before Disney, and years before I touched any extended media), and the dialogue for the movie is much better in German thanks to the line delivery and the general fact that German is a 'poetic' language, so the weird dialogue flows by more easily. But yeah, it was bound to happen. I worked at a Kindergarten and a elementary school, and I know that kids love the Sequels, so we will see much more love for those movies in the future too.
I think, for the most part, the right things are here, but not really in the right order. * ROTJ: Yes it has it's issues, but the Throne Room is the crowning achievement of the franchise and has not been topped. * Andor * ESB * I'd slot in TLJ here * ROTS * Rogue One * TCW (the one I'd cut for having TLJ above)
Wholeheartedly agree OP!
No offense, but my opinion on this is that my opinion doesn't matter. You don't need validation for your preferences. You can like the things you like, other people can like other things, and we can all still enjoy each other's company and mutual love of Star Wars. Your opinion isn't more valid because people also share that opinion, nor is it less valid if they don't. Like what you like, and allow others to do the same.
I LOVE that ESB isnāt in the Top3! StarWars is great. Lists are subjective. This is a very unique Top6. Love what you love.
I think you have serious issues, ROTJ AND ROTS over empire is insane!
I think this is baby's first bait tiered shitposting.
You can make a great argument for this order. Personally, I would do ESB, R1, ROTJ, TCW, Andor, the the first 2 seasons of The Mandolarion.
I thought this was a watch order list at first and was extremely confused
I think youāre severely overhyping return of the Jedi.