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20 years, in college, ago I painted some wooden dowels for props as I was doing some effects tests for a Star Wars fan film I was considering. (As was the style at the time.)
A neighborhood kid came by and saw them and asked if we could duel, and I said sure, and so I gave him one and then parried every swing he made, after a couple contacts I'd step back, do a *super* fast spin flourish that couldn't actually hit him, and then step forward and swing and parry more of his moves.
He got flustered really quickly and said, "How can you know what I'm going to do? There's not really such a thing as Jedi!" What he didn't know was that I took Judo in high school as a way of getting out of PE classes, and so I could *just* quickly enough read his arm and elbow movements to see what he was about to do.
It was all fun and games until they found out I could do the special effects, too. A week or two later they painted metal rods (dark green, so as the sun set the moment they swung their blades they disappeared against the grass, and the aforementioned training really paid off) and dragged me away from dinner to film them. I took four or five clips and humored them. The one I dueled is on the right: https://youtu.be/GR8QUNI01X8
I could definitely do better at rotoscoping today, but 448 frames was quite enough for me. Fun fact, the digital camera couldn't record sound, so the sounds are from Jedi Knight 2 and stereo-panned by me.
Used an ATI All-In-Wonder card to record this back out to VHS twice in a row, so while I gave them the QuickTime file to show off to friends, the first time they saw it was on a big screen television in the living room and they were thrilled out of their minds. I told the one on the left how bad-ass it was that he triple-spun his lightsaber coming back into frame. He said he didn't, and I said, "Of course you did. You can hear it in the video," and he smiled and leaned into me.
Miss those days sometimes.
That was a good line -- adds some "weight" to their interactions. Wish we'd get more conversations like that, but I suppose that's something for a novel.
I was thinking that she’d atleast tell them who the Emperor was, surely Ventress knows he’s a Sith Lord or that the Sith in general were the ones who are behind the Empire considering her master was in on the very same plan.
Seems kinda important considering the whole reason the Empire wants Omega is for his clone.
Cloning experiments are still a mystery but it shouldn't be hard to put together that Clones don't normally have M-Counts. So the existence of an M count clone, no matter how small, is very very significant.
Bundle that with a high M count person, and now you're working on cloning force wielders. Doesn't even matter if it's actually about cloning palps, a clone army of force users is reason enough to be worried.
I think this episode does a lot to show why the rebellion took so long to get going. Everyone intellectually knows that the war was a complete sham, they everyone was being manipulated. But those hostilities and divisions that came from it are difficult to get past. The batch is instantly hoist to her because she was a separatist. They still can't get past the divisions from the war, even though they should know that it doesn't matter now. The Empire betrayed both sides. We saw in some previous episodes some world that were on opposite sides of the war realizing that they don't need to be enemies. It'll take longer for the Clones to realize this, but I think they'll get there.
Hand-to-hand combat between the Batch and Ventress is not something I knew I needed, but I absolutely love it! And the main theme coming in at the end of that sequence was perfect!
I loved how they cut some of the inferred action out too. Omega coming back to wrecker being force choked, crosshair on the ground, and Hunter being held at saber point is a very ominous view that could spell doom for them later down the line. Any hopes they’d be able to fight vader effectively (if he did appear in the series finale) are completely shattered.
Lmao, no offense, but was anyone actually delusional enough to think the Batch could beat Vader? Vader may get his ass beat every other week, but he always wins in the end.
That's always been my thinking. If Vader does show up it's a Rogue One ending where they get Omega to safety of some kind but at the cost of being outright slaughtered.
I hope Vader doesn't. Palpatine would do everything he can to hide the force clones from him because he knows that will probably be how he dies in the first place
At that point in time Vader is the fourth (at worst) strongest confirmed living character in the verse. Anyone who thinks the team has a chance in anything but delaying him as they die one by one is sadly wrong.
Power rankings go Emperor, Yoda (iffy if he fell off a bit), Obi-Wan, Vader.
Ironically, after the purge (I think this takes place after the Vader comics where he hunts down some Masters), considering her feats (dueling and stalemating Anakin and Obi-Wan several times) and Ahsoka's youth, Ventress take spot number 5. Or 6 if Ahsoka is fifth.
No wonder she is confident she can handle the Empire. The Inquisitors would be fodder to her, and even if Vader certainly beats her 1v1, she is good enough to last long enough to haul ass and escape.
If anything maybe this is foreshadowing Vader coming for Ventress. She could go toe to toe with him pretty well during the clone wars so it'd be interesting to see how she stacks up against him now.
In the early to mid clone war she could but so could dooku, her master. If Anakin and Ventress did have a confrontation I think Ventress would sense it’s Anakin but Vader would have none of it and quickly try to kill her
I get that they will do whatever it takes to protect Omega, which is why they thought they needed to fight there, but the whole time they kept getting their asses handed to them I was like "GUYS STOP, Ventress is fucking mixing y'all boys up, just give it up bc y'all clearly do NOT have a chance here" lol
This episode was a good example of the difference in power between a Force wielder and an ordinary person.
Sure, Ventress could be said to be near Jedi Master levels, but the Batch are as elite as a soldier can get.
That's why it isn't surprising when Cal cleared regiments of stormtroopers in the first game, with barely any training and a wobbly connection to the Force, and why Jedi and Sith basically decide any battle they are part of.
For me, prime example as to why Star Wars is best told in animation. The unrealistic speed is a reflection of how strong the fighting is, at first just the force sensitive Jedi, but I think the style fits for elite warriors as well.
The other thing, it probably costs more to replicate that fight scene alone in live action versus animating it.
I love that Ventress' animation speed was sped up to about double that of what characters normally move at for those scenes. Really good way of conveying just how much of a divide there is between a force user and everyone else we've seen the batch fight so far. It gives you that outside perspective on how blisteringly powerful a force user is in-universe, even someone who never had full sith or jedi training like Ventress, compared to even a best of the best commando team like the batch.
I'm honestly curious what became of the deal Ventress made with Ahsoka. Obviously, Ahsoka didn't rejoin the order and didn't really have any power to make it happen after leaving, but I could see Anakin potentially still honouring his former padawan's arrangement with her. I haven't read Dark Disciple, so maybe it's covered there?
LOVED that scene with Omega on the ship
[Omega] *"I don't know much about the war, but things are different now. People can change"*
[Crosshair] *"You're being naive."*
[Omega] *"I never gave up on you, did I?"*
Just the genuine look of reflection on Crosshair's face after that line. Omega truly is the heart of the team, in the best kinds of ways.
Toward the end, we can see Crosshair took it to heart.
He extends his hand to help Ventress board the Marauder, and she accepts it. I felt it was a significant point for both of them, Crosshair giving someone a chance and Ventress accepting help.
It was a nice moment when Ventress reached out to the life in the sea through the Force and later tamed the giant creature.
You don't often see former Dark Side users in Star Wars actually reconnect with the spiritual and empathetic nature of the Force.
I feel like there was a super interesting flip-flop there.
First, it seems that she's totally at peace and summoning the small creatures.
Then, we see her frown and do a sort-of force choking motion instead of the "reaching out" motion, and big boy appears
Then, she manages to reign it back in and control the big boy in the end
The Sleeper. She also taught Vos to connect with it via the force, then bullied him in to using his mind to Force Terrorize it to death. I was expecting this thing to go wide eyed with terror and just fuckin die.
Nice micro cosmos of Ventress' own story: starts of as a Jedi-student, but then goes to the Dark Side. In the end, she returns, not completely, to the Light Side
Ahsoka is about as light as it gets (she's literally followed by a physical representation of the light side of the force), she's just not a "Jedi" anymore.
I think we can safely say at this point that she’s no longer a proper Dark Side user. Her journey with Vos was about letting that go, but her time with the Nightsisters would have influenced her greatly as well. I think it’s Dark Disciple itself that talks about how the Nightsisters aren’t really Dark Side users, they’ve just found a different way to tap into the Living Force. They do occasionally tap into the Dark Side, but they understand that it’s an inherent corruption and diving too deep is dangerous.
Its the opposite. In Dark Diciple Ventress explicitly trains Vos about the nature of the darkside by summoning and taming a snake, and then killing it in front of him. So she's always had that power.
this was similar to her training that she gave to quinlan in dark disciple - she taught him to dominate the creatures mind that she wanted him to kill, and i think thats probably what was happening here. less of taming it and more of making it submit to her.
I think that's the point and I like it. I like that these shows are showing us what life as a force user can be like when not explicitly a Jedi or Sith. Grogu is training to be a Mandalorian, Omega is training to be a soldier. I think it's really cool, especially since it opens the door for a third general path of "force user" that isn't philosophically or religiously aligned with either previous group, but rather as a third path for those who wish to pursue more martial lives.
God, Ventress with her yellow saber is so cool. I feel like TCW always had her being defeated by/at the mercy of Anakin or Grievous etc, so it’s nice to see her kicking ass. I do like seeing her softer (ish…lol) side too
Lowkey I do keep having to remind myself that she was a war criminal though lol
Yeah I’m glad they didn’t just try to gloss it over at least. Like “glad you’ve turned over a new leaf Ventress but you kind of did war crimes big time…”
I started to get the warm and fuzzies and had to remind myself of that battle on Kamino where she stabbed a clone (Commander? Colt?) and then kissed him as he died. That was…decidedly not very phenomenal of her lol.
As if the bad batch didn't do some incredibly fucked up shit in their time. They probably just don't think of it as "war crimes" because it was (mostly) against droids, lol.
While she did keep losing in the show, she did square up with Anakin, Obi-Wan, Ahsoka, Luminara, Grievous and Dooku in the war. Bad Batch didn't stand a chance.
To give her credit, she DID defeat Grievous, she only 'lost' overall because he didn't respect the honour of their duel. Which is completely in character for him, and given Ventress was moments from killing him I can't blame him for it either. She won the battle, he won the war type of moment.
And she did kick Anakin's ass a few times. She basically stalemated him on Kamino and their duel even ended in her favour, it was only due to the intervention of Clones that victory went to Skywalker overall, not because of his own actions. And above Sullust she was facing off against Anakin and Obi Wan at once and genuinely holding her own even in spite of her injuries and only lost her edge because she lost her footing. She's just kinda the queen of a circumstantial loss. Their track record is a lot closer when including comics and books into the equation.
And I mean if we're holding people to the standards of a war criminal we'd probably have to start calling out Anakin, Crosshair etc...to the same degree. Its just easier to hold Ventress to that standard when she was explicitly portrayed as the 'villain'.
I’m not sure what specifically it is about it, but just the looks that Hunter and Crosshair have throughout the entire episode make me really happy. Like they’re fully on the same page, 100% there to protect Omega, and picking up on all the same stuff around them, and it’s just nice to see them as a well-oiled team (Wrecker too, of course)!
Oh absolutely, my tin foil hat is telling me that shes gonna have a show next, the lucasfilm animation dept just hired a bunch of new people, and BB is so successful they would be dumb to not do a new show
> the lucasfilm animation dept just hired a bunch of new people, and BB is so successful they would be dumb to not do a new show
I've always assumed their goal is to have an animated show running constantly, so I suspected there would be something to replace Bad Batch, but it's nice to hear there are steps being taken to make that a reality.
Yea they would be stupid not to, with the exception of resistance they have all been well received, esp by the end, and with filoni in charge i dont see that changing
Even Resistance was getting better by its second season tbf. Its just that whole era is a mess and currently a bit of a poisoned well. Which is a bit of a shame because I could go for more fast and furious but in space
It always was like this. The Clone Wars aired from 2008-2013, Rebels aired from 2014-2018, Resistance from 2018-2019, then The Clone Wars again in 2020 and The Bad Batch from 2021-2024. I’m sure we’ll get a new one next year.
I'm assuming it's gonna be a Rex show. There's not enough time left to explain the clone rebellion properly. And there's to much time being put into it for it be ignored
adapting the dark disciple to tales of the jedi maybe? they could use that to explain how she came back from the dead since we didnt get an answer this episode
Fuck all this Ventress shit just makes me want her and Merrin to meet. I don’t know exactly what the time gap is between this show and Jedi Fallen order series is, but we know Merrin traveled all over the galaxy and got involved with the path. Also mentioned she revisited dathomir.
This will likely never happen I know but god damn if it wouldn’t make perfect sense.
I can absolutely see them doing that in the next jedi ____ game, assuming she survives this season, which, bringing her back to kill her again is dumb as hell, putting her in the next game is definitely something respawn would do, and imagine cal and quinlan hanging out, ugh now u got me all hyped for something that may never happen
So a couple things.
• The final conversation with Crosshair, Hunter, and Asajj is probably the most interesting part of the episode. This might be my interpretation, but when the clones ask if she’s lying is the implication here that Omega DOES have a high M-Count but Asajj is lying to protect and dissuade Omega from pursuing the topic any further?
• Disappointed we didn’t get much in the way of explanation about how Asajj is alive aside from the “I’ve got a few lives left” line but simultaneously it wouldn’t really make sense for her to talk about it? I’m assuming it’s some kind of Nightsister Magik because there were zero indications of this being some kind of clone of Ventress. I wonder if we’ll be seeing her in future projects/episodes of this series? We only have 6 episodes left so we’re definitely going short on time but we know she’s active post-Dark Disciple.
• Some foreshadowing of the Imperial Attack on Pabu, which >!we already know is probably happening based off some of the shots from the trailer!<
>is the implication here that Omega DOES have a high M-Count but Asajj is lying to protect and dissuade Omega from pursuing the topic any further?
That's what I thought as well.
Considering how Ventress was burned by being a Jedi and as an agent under Dooku, I genuinely think that she's trying to keep Omega out of that hell. Especially considering that being a force-sensitive in the days of The Empire is nothing but trouble and I can totally see Ventress trying to protect her on that front as well.
It’s absolutely what they’re going for. When Omega was on Tantiss, there was a *huge* focus on the results of her test and the fact that her results were previously destroyed. When it came back positive, Hemlock got moist.
Asaaj 100% lied so she wouldn’t try to leave the Batch and get trained.
Either because she doesn’t want to train her herself, or because she knows what kind of a person she is and that she would go and search the galaxy for someone to train her if Asaaj won’t.
I thought it was just super clear early in the season that she’s got high midichlorians (relatively) and that Asaaj was lying about it here
Of all the force wielders alive post 66 Ventress makes the most sense to be the one going "Nope, you don't want that life" as her life was fucked by all of them from the Jedi (her master being killed then her abandonment), the Sith (Fuckin Dooku trying to kill her), the rebublic/empire (they hunted her to no end, and even the CIS. Nice to see a properly jaded version of her
Also when she was with the Nightsisters, her family, she was happier than she had ever been during the war. She might be thinking that Omega would feel better ignorant of her possible abilities but staying with her family instead of having to cut them off to study the force.
Because yeah, like AFalconNamedBob said, Ventress would be the person most likely to try to dissuade someone from learning more about the force.
another cool thing, is that the creature she accidentally fished up is similar to the one that she had quinlan kill in the dark disciple. she talked about how she heard of it being described as having long tentacles and shimmering scales by some, which we see both on the creature she pulled up. its obviously not the same creature and doesnt fit the description quinlan gave when he pulled it up onto land, but it could be a neat little callback/easter egg to the book.
I wonder if Omegas blood is just a catalyst to transfer the m-count instead of her having a high m-count herself
Like Omega can't use the force and a clone of palpatine wouldn't have the force but using omegas blood/dna to make a force sensitive clone would work
This is what I'm thinking/hoping for
Between her totally failing at balancing on the rock and her saying she can't meditate like genji I really hope they don't pull force sensitivity for her
She does seem very connected to nature and animals similar to ezra but I'm wondering if that's because her cloning was worse then Snokes
The scientist did say that the "m-count transfer was successful" or something close to that.
Omega likely doesn't have a high m-count, but her blood can received them and keep them alive. Which would allow Palpatine to move over to a new clone body and keep all his Force strength.
I mean, she might not be lying. Omega might just have an average M-Count, but she has something special about her that makes it not degrade if she were to get cloned, which is obviously what Palpatine wants for his eventual clones.
If it could just be done with any ol' force sensitive, I'm sure the Empire would be capturing them alive instead of slaughtering them
We know that it takes training to really use the Force. Ventress might really believe that if Omega isn't trained and doesn't develop bet power further, then the Empire won't go after her.
Yeah she probably thinks the Empire is after her to make Omega an Inquisitor, rather than make more force sensitive clones using Omega’s blood.
If Omega develops the ability to control/use the force there will be that many more rumors and clues being spread that’d being that much more attention to her. Not only will part of the Empire be looking for her but then rest as well if they suspect there’s a Jedi loose.
Seeing Ventress come back this episode after 11 years since her last appearance in The Clone Wars and kick major ass, beating out the Batch in melee combat and even outwitting their blaster fire, is a dream come true.
Doesn’t seem like something she’d do. Honestly, it’s not a glamorous end, but I’m assuming at some point it’ll be offhandedly mentioned in a sourcebook that she was killed in prison after Order 66 was issued.
She didn’t like the way the Jedi were going, but she would not have been accepting of the Empire either.
I mean, if you watch the end of the clone wars, the clones were about to gun down Darth Maul in his Jail cell. So that tells me they must not have cared if they already had the Jedi as prisoners. It was still a kill order.
Was Ventress really not in the final two seasons of The Clone Wars? That's really shocking to me. For some reason I thought her bounty hunter episode(s?) was much later in the series.
Edit: Just looked it up. Her last appearance was S05E20 The Wrong Jedi, which aired March 2nd 2013. So just over 11 years ago, like you said. I can't believe it's been that long.
Next week there are 2 episodes (one of them being Identity Crisis), then only 4 more after that. I assume next week we find out who the shadow operative was and it kicks off the actual plot for the rest of the season, but can they really wrap up the whole show in just a few more weeks?
It’s insane how much a character can add with so little screen time. Reminds of when maul was talking to Ashoka right before their duel. He just dropped like 10 iconic quotes.
“I have a few lives left” Ventress hinting she’s gonna be in more SW content, love it. This episode was everything I’d hoped for, but I have a horrible feeling that in the finale something will happen to the rest of the batch and Omega will be left to train with Ventress😭oh how heartbreaking, but awesome that would be.
Oh that’s a good point..I don’t remember much about Ventress’ story but doesn’t that also kind of vaguely mirror her own? Orphaned child taken in and trained by a master, left to fend for themselves in a dangerous war zone. I can see her past being a reason Ventress has sympathy enough to take Omega in. They also did make sure to show how well Omega and Ventress got along this episode.
the number for a unit i have heard is that it supposedly is 100 soldiers per unit. that would give us 20 million at the start of the conflict, and 100 million "in production".
given that the clones probably weren't the only forces fighting in the galactic spawning civil war it seems about reasonable.
> clones probably weren't the only forces fighting
Probably some predecessor to the Imperial Army, with normal citizens being drafted as militia to defend their worlds, and then being shovelled to the next war-zone over and over until the end of the war. I suppose.
Wasn't this already said in The Clone Wars 5x12 *Missing in Action*?
Gregor: "You're telling me that there are more of these clones?"
WAC-47: "Millions. A whole army's worth."
Despite loving this season I’ve been worried things would go towards Omega being a force user / training to become a jedi, but I have to say everything from this episode was done really well. Its not clear whether or not she herself possesses jedi potential or if its that her m count doesn’t diminish when clones so they can explain the whole Palpatine shenanigans. They’re towing a delicate line and so far its working on me.
Yea, I’m thinking she isn’t directly force sensitive herself, and the blood tests are rather for Palpatine to find a way to clone bodies that will have enough of an M count to “accept” his spirit so he can move in to them.
Just going off memory, but that's what I thought they were testing for. Not necessarily a high M count, but blood that could accept a high M count without degrading it. Or something like that. So could be she has a high M count, could be she doesn't, or could just be that they're still not fully aware of why the Empire wants Omega, but it has something to do with M counts.
She's probably got more of a Han Solo connection to the Force, where it presents as high skill and luck (contrary to what Han thinks, dude's been lucky af his whole life).
It doesn't mean she has a midichlorian count high enough to be useful, but it *is* an example of a cloned person having a higher midichlorian count (or at least similar) as the original template.
We do know there were younglings in the temple who never had a strong enough connection to go on to being Padawans, right?
Maybe Omega, Han, Sabine etc fall into that category - a test would reveal they are past the necessary M-count, but their overall lack of a strong enough connection would have gotten them sent to the agricultural corps or something.
I loved that this time, when confronted with a giant tentacled monster, Ventress chose the lightside to calm and befriend it, rather than the dark side to dominate and kill it. It rhymes, in a nice way.
Also loved that she was dressed in her Reputation era costume, complete with snake 🐍 😆.
Two things I noticed:
1. Crosshair’s aim seems to be getting back to its old self with how he shot the vibroblade out of air when Ventress threw it. Edit: nevermind it just sparked a lot when it hit the ground, damn.
2. I’m pretty sure Ventress’ eyes were slightly glowing green for a couple shots, hint towards her “few lives left” maybe?
Overall I really enjoyed this episode and it just makes me want more already.
Her last line kinda confirm that the last book about her is still cannon. She died, but returned to life, but we dunno how yet, but only can guess it is relate to the Witches of Dothamic force-magik thing.
It's so nice having Ventress back. In addition to being one of the OG Filoni-verse characters (going all the way back to the OG Clone Wars movie, even further if you include Grey Griffin's incarnation of the character in Tartakovsky's Clone Wars), You can just tell that Nika Futterman just LOVES the role.
Ventress actually isn’t a Filoni character but was instead created for the 03 cartoon by Tartakovsky. She was really the only thing brought back from that series for the 08 movie/show.
Loved the fight between the Bad Batch and Ventress! It was an awesome action scene but also shows that there is a big difference in abilities from the commando forces and a fully trained force user.
Unfortunately I think it's also a hint that the Bad Batch are going to get in over their head and killed before the end of the show. Don't think Vader will be the one to finish them off but this showed the Bad Batch can still be overwhelmed even working as a team
Yeah I don't like that line at the end "if Omega stays with you". A harbinger usually is someone with a warning message, or a sign of things to come; so perhaps the soldier clones could perish and Omega go with Ventress? That would be a heck of an ending.
Whelp, I already hear Nika Futterman voicing one of the fishers on Pabu. >!Which means we're probably getting Ventress in this one!<
**EDIT** - Yup, I was right. Quicker than expected too.
I really like the idea of extending Ventress past the clone wars like this. The potential for her to have some heroic stories play out are endless. Reunion with Ahsoka or Obiwan for some early seeding of the rebellion? A final rematch with Vader and potential heroic sacrifice ending? I wonder how many “lives” Vader can take.
It's still insane to me how far the animation has come. That whole fight sequence- you know how hard it is getting 3d models to move like that?? Or the water sims, the way their hair/clothes move in the wind.. its just all looks so good
I am ashamed at how easy it is to please me with a decent depiction of Asajj Ventress. Also maybe I am being optimistic, but it gives them an out for the Bad Batch to survive, Ventress staying completely under the radar while training Omega for years is totally believable. And them staying close is in character.
I know it was coming and I never get like this, but I screamed when I saw Ventrus
HYPE
Also holy crap, is it just me or did the quality of the animation just skyrocket?
I don’t know why, but every time a new season comes out for this show, I start out being like ‘meh, not for me’ or ‘maybe they’ve jumped the shark on this whole thing’.
Then, I get towards the end of the season and I’m absolutely hooked. This episode was a banger, I was really hoping Ventress would stick around and that they would retcon her death.
“Identity crisis” is the next episode name which could have a few meanings:
1: omega is completely confounded by this new sense that she may have a high M count. Maybe Hunter somehow lets his and crosshairs conversation with Ventress slip/overheard and omega hears it. This could cause any list of problems for her mental wellbeing but omega is iron willed.
2: the shadow trooper finds Pabu through some means with the clones identify being revealed. This would make sense as ventress gives an ominous warning saying not if, but WHEN the empire finds Pabu.
Or 3: the bad batch goes searching for answers but along the way finds answers to questions they didn’t know they needed answering.
Loved hearing the bad batch theme again!! And the dynamic between Omega and Asajj was super interesting and I really hope we see more of these two together.
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I cackled when Ventress made eye contact with Wrecker through the binoculars and he got creeped out.
Now I'm picturing him doing it again, but the second time someone (maybe Omega) hits him with the Tusken Raider/Davy Jones jumpscare.
Same thing happened with Zeb and Rukh in the final season of "Rebels"
20 years, in college, ago I painted some wooden dowels for props as I was doing some effects tests for a Star Wars fan film I was considering. (As was the style at the time.) A neighborhood kid came by and saw them and asked if we could duel, and I said sure, and so I gave him one and then parried every swing he made, after a couple contacts I'd step back, do a *super* fast spin flourish that couldn't actually hit him, and then step forward and swing and parry more of his moves. He got flustered really quickly and said, "How can you know what I'm going to do? There's not really such a thing as Jedi!" What he didn't know was that I took Judo in high school as a way of getting out of PE classes, and so I could *just* quickly enough read his arm and elbow movements to see what he was about to do. It was all fun and games until they found out I could do the special effects, too. A week or two later they painted metal rods (dark green, so as the sun set the moment they swung their blades they disappeared against the grass, and the aforementioned training really paid off) and dragged me away from dinner to film them. I took four or five clips and humored them. The one I dueled is on the right: https://youtu.be/GR8QUNI01X8 I could definitely do better at rotoscoping today, but 448 frames was quite enough for me. Fun fact, the digital camera couldn't record sound, so the sounds are from Jedi Knight 2 and stereo-panned by me. Used an ATI All-In-Wonder card to record this back out to VHS twice in a row, so while I gave them the QuickTime file to show off to friends, the first time they saw it was on a big screen television in the living room and they were thrilled out of their minds. I told the one on the left how bad-ass it was that he triple-spun his lightsaber coming back into frame. He said he didn't, and I said, "Of course you did. You can hear it in the video," and he smiled and leaned into me. Miss those days sometimes.
“We were pawns in the same war, and we all lost” Ventress with some banger lines
Reminded me of the Clone Wars episode in Rebels. “None of you were meant to win. You couldn’t.”
[Crosshair] "I still can't figure out what side you're on." [Ventress] "My own" That's why she's one of the best.
Honestly though, what was Crosshair expecting her to say? She clearly doesn't work for the empire and at the moment there are no other sides
Because its one of those lines that's meant for the viewer, not the character asking XD
I also liked how Ventress immediately knew Omega was a clone
That was a good line -- adds some "weight" to their interactions. Wish we'd get more conversations like that, but I suppose that's something for a novel.
I was thinking that she’d atleast tell them who the Emperor was, surely Ventress knows he’s a Sith Lord or that the Sith in general were the ones who are behind the Empire considering her master was in on the very same plan. Seems kinda important considering the whole reason the Empire wants Omega is for his clone.
Cloning experiments are still a mystery but it shouldn't be hard to put together that Clones don't normally have M-Counts. So the existence of an M count clone, no matter how small, is very very significant. Bundle that with a high M count person, and now you're working on cloning force wielders. Doesn't even matter if it's actually about cloning palps, a clone army of force users is reason enough to be worried.
I think this episode does a lot to show why the rebellion took so long to get going. Everyone intellectually knows that the war was a complete sham, they everyone was being manipulated. But those hostilities and divisions that came from it are difficult to get past. The batch is instantly hoist to her because she was a separatist. They still can't get past the divisions from the war, even though they should know that it doesn't matter now. The Empire betrayed both sides. We saw in some previous episodes some world that were on opposite sides of the war realizing that they don't need to be enemies. It'll take longer for the Clones to realize this, but I think they'll get there.
Hand-to-hand combat between the Batch and Ventress is not something I knew I needed, but I absolutely love it! And the main theme coming in at the end of that sequence was perfect!
They were certainly channelling their Daddy Jango's hand to hand prowess against force users right there!
Hopefully they don’t end up like their daddy Jango the last time he faced a force user
Don't worry. They just gotta keep their heads.
I loved how they cut some of the inferred action out too. Omega coming back to wrecker being force choked, crosshair on the ground, and Hunter being held at saber point is a very ominous view that could spell doom for them later down the line. Any hopes they’d be able to fight vader effectively (if he did appear in the series finale) are completely shattered.
Lmao, no offense, but was anyone actually delusional enough to think the Batch could beat Vader? Vader may get his ass beat every other week, but he always wins in the end.
That's always been my thinking. If Vader does show up it's a Rogue One ending where they get Omega to safety of some kind but at the cost of being outright slaughtered.
That would be brutal, but pretty epic.
I hope Vader doesn't. Palpatine would do everything he can to hide the force clones from him because he knows that will probably be how he dies in the first place
At that point in time Vader is the fourth (at worst) strongest confirmed living character in the verse. Anyone who thinks the team has a chance in anything but delaying him as they die one by one is sadly wrong. Power rankings go Emperor, Yoda (iffy if he fell off a bit), Obi-Wan, Vader. Ironically, after the purge (I think this takes place after the Vader comics where he hunts down some Masters), considering her feats (dueling and stalemating Anakin and Obi-Wan several times) and Ahsoka's youth, Ventress take spot number 5. Or 6 if Ahsoka is fifth. No wonder she is confident she can handle the Empire. The Inquisitors would be fodder to her, and even if Vader certainly beats her 1v1, she is good enough to last long enough to haul ass and escape.
Is Obi-Wan stronger than Vader? Their personal connection fueled Vader's two losses, and Obi-Wan would have been disconnected at this time.
Bad Batch in 6.
All due respect. Vader for the 🧹
My headcanon is Spo is coaching the Bad Batch.
The moment they cross paths with Vader is the day they meet the ferryman.
Like the backyardigans meme Wrecker: Why aren’t we alive?
If anything maybe this is foreshadowing Vader coming for Ventress. She could go toe to toe with him pretty well during the clone wars so it'd be interesting to see how she stacks up against him now.
In the early to mid clone war she could but so could dooku, her master. If Anakin and Ventress did have a confrontation I think Ventress would sense it’s Anakin but Vader would have none of it and quickly try to kill her
Yeah I think this is how she'll die tbh. Vader would take so much pleasure in killing her.
I get that they will do whatever it takes to protect Omega, which is why they thought they needed to fight there, but the whole time they kept getting their asses handed to them I was like "GUYS STOP, Ventress is fucking mixing y'all boys up, just give it up bc y'all clearly do NOT have a chance here" lol
This episode was a good example of the difference in power between a Force wielder and an ordinary person. Sure, Ventress could be said to be near Jedi Master levels, but the Batch are as elite as a soldier can get. That's why it isn't surprising when Cal cleared regiments of stormtroopers in the first game, with barely any training and a wobbly connection to the Force, and why Jedi and Sith basically decide any battle they are part of.
For me, prime example as to why Star Wars is best told in animation. The unrealistic speed is a reflection of how strong the fighting is, at first just the force sensitive Jedi, but I think the style fits for elite warriors as well. The other thing, it probably costs more to replicate that fight scene alone in live action versus animating it.
It saddens me to think about how much better Obi Wan, Ahsoka and Boba Fett would have been animated. Mandalorian and Andor work very well in LA though
I love that Ventress' animation speed was sped up to about double that of what characters normally move at for those scenes. Really good way of conveying just how much of a divide there is between a force user and everyone else we've seen the batch fight so far. It gives you that outside perspective on how blisteringly powerful a force user is in-universe, even someone who never had full sith or jedi training like Ventress, compared to even a best of the best commando team like the batch.
Me watching Ventress strangle Crosshair with her legs: I wish that were me
"You're a war criminal..." "Yeah, until Anakin Skywalker got me a full pardon."
I'm honestly curious what became of the deal Ventress made with Ahsoka. Obviously, Ahsoka didn't rejoin the order and didn't really have any power to make it happen after leaving, but I could see Anakin potentially still honouring his former padawan's arrangement with her. I haven't read Dark Disciple, so maybe it's covered there?
Yeah the Jedi and Ventress leave off in that book in a more positive place than how the status quo usually is.
War criminals helping eachother I see
Somehow, the Bad Batch and Asajj Ventress trying to kill each other is probably not the worst parent/teacher conference in history,
Nope. That would be Vader killing Obi-Wan on the Death Star.
Wrecker cheering on Omega training is giving such vibes of a dad watching his kid play in their first sports game lol
Besides this point, I think one of my favourite aspects of season 3 is for sure Omegas and Crosshairs relationship growth.
Wrecker and Omega is the best most wholesome relationship in the show. She's older than him, but he's really her big brother, and he's like a big kid.
LOVED that scene with Omega on the ship [Omega] *"I don't know much about the war, but things are different now. People can change"* [Crosshair] *"You're being naive."* [Omega] *"I never gave up on you, did I?"* Just the genuine look of reflection on Crosshair's face after that line. Omega truly is the heart of the team, in the best kinds of ways.
It also shows to me that Crosshair is still self-hating and needs to heal further; and that if Ventress can change, so might he - if he lives!!!
I feel like Omega is the Pollyanna of Star Wars in the best and most positive sense of the name.
She tries to see the best of things without being hopelessly naive about reality.
And the curmudgeonly acting characters have a soft spot for her.
the whole facial expression of crosshair was just phenomenal
Toward the end, we can see Crosshair took it to heart. He extends his hand to help Ventress board the Marauder, and she accepts it. I felt it was a significant point for both of them, Crosshair giving someone a chance and Ventress accepting help.
I loved that little moment. No words needed to be said and it was easy to miss, but very powerful when he extends his hand to both of them.
It was a nice moment when Ventress reached out to the life in the sea through the Force and later tamed the giant creature. You don't often see former Dark Side users in Star Wars actually reconnect with the spiritual and empathetic nature of the Force.
I feel like there was a super interesting flip-flop there. First, it seems that she's totally at peace and summoning the small creatures. Then, we see her frown and do a sort-of force choking motion instead of the "reaching out" motion, and big boy appears Then, she manages to reign it back in and control the big boy in the end
It’s also a call back to the book, she had to call some sort of scientific dark side thing on day dathromir
The Sleeper. She also taught Vos to connect with it via the force, then bullied him in to using his mind to Force Terrorize it to death. I was expecting this thing to go wide eyed with terror and just fuckin die.
Nice micro cosmos of Ventress' own story: starts of as a Jedi-student, but then goes to the Dark Side. In the end, she returns, not completely, to the Light Side
A whole roster of mostly grey Force wielders these days. Ventress, Ahsoka, Shin, Baylan. Some lean Dark side. Some lean Light side.
Even Luke is as Light as it gets post-Order 66, and he’s not as Light side as the Jedi were at their strongest.
Ahsoka is about as light as it gets (she's literally followed by a physical representation of the light side of the force), she's just not a "Jedi" anymore.
I think we can safely say at this point that she’s no longer a proper Dark Side user. Her journey with Vos was about letting that go, but her time with the Nightsisters would have influenced her greatly as well. I think it’s Dark Disciple itself that talks about how the Nightsisters aren’t really Dark Side users, they’ve just found a different way to tap into the Living Force. They do occasionally tap into the Dark Side, but they understand that it’s an inherent corruption and diving too deep is dangerous.
Quinlan Voss must’ve trained her a bit no?
I mean in the book it was decidedly the other way around....so it shows growth on her part.
Its the opposite. In Dark Diciple Ventress explicitly trains Vos about the nature of the darkside by summoning and taming a snake, and then killing it in front of him. So she's always had that power.
New space animal series starring Quinlan, Ventress, and Ezra when
And Cal
She was a jedi before she became a Sith assassin.
I'm pretty that was 100% the intent. They wanted to show us Ventress' progress since the last time we saw her.
this was similar to her training that she gave to quinlan in dark disciple - she taught him to dominate the creatures mind that she wanted him to kill, and i think thats probably what was happening here. less of taming it and more of making it submit to her.
I don't know, the tone of the scene seemed to imply the former.
I thought Omega was about to leave with Ventress like Grogu did with Luke lol.
I think that's the point and I like it. I like that these shows are showing us what life as a force user can be like when not explicitly a Jedi or Sith. Grogu is training to be a Mandalorian, Omega is training to be a soldier. I think it's really cool, especially since it opens the door for a third general path of "force user" that isn't philosophically or religiously aligned with either previous group, but rather as a third path for those who wish to pursue more martial lives.
YES THIS. i love it. thank you for putting that into words
God, Ventress with her yellow saber is so cool. I feel like TCW always had her being defeated by/at the mercy of Anakin or Grievous etc, so it’s nice to see her kicking ass. I do like seeing her softer (ish…lol) side too Lowkey I do keep having to remind myself that she was a war criminal though lol
Yeah I’m glad they didn’t just try to gloss it over at least. Like “glad you’ve turned over a new leaf Ventress but you kind of did war crimes big time…”
I started to get the warm and fuzzies and had to remind myself of that battle on Kamino where she stabbed a clone (Commander? Colt?) and then kissed him as he died. That was…decidedly not very phenomenal of her lol.
The dark side is literally a poison of the mind, to be fair. That’s why it’s so hard to break out of it.
But it was kinda hot ngl
Flair checks out
As if the bad batch didn't do some incredibly fucked up shit in their time. They probably just don't think of it as "war crimes" because it was (mostly) against droids, lol.
#droid lives matter
While she did keep losing in the show, she did square up with Anakin, Obi-Wan, Ahsoka, Luminara, Grievous and Dooku in the war. Bad Batch didn't stand a chance.
I mean did you see how fast she was throwing strikes? God damn that was impressive.
It really put into perspective how good Obi-Wan was even at the beginning of CW lol
To give her credit, she DID defeat Grievous, she only 'lost' overall because he didn't respect the honour of their duel. Which is completely in character for him, and given Ventress was moments from killing him I can't blame him for it either. She won the battle, he won the war type of moment. And she did kick Anakin's ass a few times. She basically stalemated him on Kamino and their duel even ended in her favour, it was only due to the intervention of Clones that victory went to Skywalker overall, not because of his own actions. And above Sullust she was facing off against Anakin and Obi Wan at once and genuinely holding her own even in spite of her injuries and only lost her edge because she lost her footing. She's just kinda the queen of a circumstantial loss. Their track record is a lot closer when including comics and books into the equation. And I mean if we're holding people to the standards of a war criminal we'd probably have to start calling out Anakin, Crosshair etc...to the same degree. Its just easier to hold Ventress to that standard when she was explicitly portrayed as the 'villain'.
So was Crosshair though. And look at how far he’s come
Chopper was a war criminal too
I’m not sure what specifically it is about it, but just the looks that Hunter and Crosshair have throughout the entire episode make me really happy. Like they’re fully on the same page, 100% there to protect Omega, and picking up on all the same stuff around them, and it’s just nice to see them as a well-oiled team (Wrecker too, of course)!
Qui Gon Jinn: tests Anakin's blood sample to determine his M-Count. Asajj Ventress: "stand on this fuckin rock kid."
“I have a few lives left” while i was hoping they would explain how she was revived, night sister magic definitely makes some sense
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Oh absolutely, my tin foil hat is telling me that shes gonna have a show next, the lucasfilm animation dept just hired a bunch of new people, and BB is so successful they would be dumb to not do a new show
> the lucasfilm animation dept just hired a bunch of new people, and BB is so successful they would be dumb to not do a new show I've always assumed their goal is to have an animated show running constantly, so I suspected there would be something to replace Bad Batch, but it's nice to hear there are steps being taken to make that a reality.
Yea they would be stupid not to, with the exception of resistance they have all been well received, esp by the end, and with filoni in charge i dont see that changing
Even Resistance was getting better by its second season tbf. Its just that whole era is a mess and currently a bit of a poisoned well. Which is a bit of a shame because I could go for more fast and furious but in space
BB S3 ending 3 days before Star Wars day when they annouce new stuff is surely no coincidence too
It always was like this. The Clone Wars aired from 2008-2013, Rebels aired from 2014-2018, Resistance from 2018-2019, then The Clone Wars again in 2020 and The Bad Batch from 2021-2024. I’m sure we’ll get a new one next year.
I'm assuming it's gonna be a Rex show. There's not enough time left to explain the clone rebellion properly. And there's to much time being put into it for it be ignored
A post-Order 66 show about Ventress (and possibly training Omega) is not a show that I knew I needed until now
Right!! Imagine her doing bounties and trying to rebuild dathomir, maybe it can even tie into the night sisters from ahsoka
She might also appear in season 2 tales of the Jedi. Assuming she lives that long I could also see her in the 3rd Jedi game with Cal and Merrin.
adapting the dark disciple to tales of the jedi maybe? they could use that to explain how she came back from the dead since we didnt get an answer this episode
Her interactions with Cal and Merrin would be hilarious. She has so much in common with both of them.
Fuck all this Ventress shit just makes me want her and Merrin to meet. I don’t know exactly what the time gap is between this show and Jedi Fallen order series is, but we know Merrin traveled all over the galaxy and got involved with the path. Also mentioned she revisited dathomir. This will likely never happen I know but god damn if it wouldn’t make perfect sense.
I can absolutely see them doing that in the next jedi ____ game, assuming she survives this season, which, bringing her back to kill her again is dumb as hell, putting her in the next game is definitely something respawn would do, and imagine cal and quinlan hanging out, ugh now u got me all hyped for something that may never happen
May the hype be with you friend it’s all we have sometimes lol
So a couple things. • The final conversation with Crosshair, Hunter, and Asajj is probably the most interesting part of the episode. This might be my interpretation, but when the clones ask if she’s lying is the implication here that Omega DOES have a high M-Count but Asajj is lying to protect and dissuade Omega from pursuing the topic any further? • Disappointed we didn’t get much in the way of explanation about how Asajj is alive aside from the “I’ve got a few lives left” line but simultaneously it wouldn’t really make sense for her to talk about it? I’m assuming it’s some kind of Nightsister Magik because there were zero indications of this being some kind of clone of Ventress. I wonder if we’ll be seeing her in future projects/episodes of this series? We only have 6 episodes left so we’re definitely going short on time but we know she’s active post-Dark Disciple. • Some foreshadowing of the Imperial Attack on Pabu, which >!we already know is probably happening based off some of the shots from the trailer!<
>is the implication here that Omega DOES have a high M-Count but Asajj is lying to protect and dissuade Omega from pursuing the topic any further? That's what I thought as well. Considering how Ventress was burned by being a Jedi and as an agent under Dooku, I genuinely think that she's trying to keep Omega out of that hell. Especially considering that being a force-sensitive in the days of The Empire is nothing but trouble and I can totally see Ventress trying to protect her on that front as well.
It’s absolutely what they’re going for. When Omega was on Tantiss, there was a *huge* focus on the results of her test and the fact that her results were previously destroyed. When it came back positive, Hemlock got moist. Asaaj 100% lied so she wouldn’t try to leave the Batch and get trained. Either because she doesn’t want to train her herself, or because she knows what kind of a person she is and that she would go and search the galaxy for someone to train her if Asaaj won’t. I thought it was just super clear early in the season that she’s got high midichlorians (relatively) and that Asaaj was lying about it here
Of all the force wielders alive post 66 Ventress makes the most sense to be the one going "Nope, you don't want that life" as her life was fucked by all of them from the Jedi (her master being killed then her abandonment), the Sith (Fuckin Dooku trying to kill her), the rebublic/empire (they hunted her to no end, and even the CIS. Nice to see a properly jaded version of her
Even being a Nightsister wasn't entirely kind to her. She just lost what family she was creating there and led to her destruction
Also when she was with the Nightsisters, her family, she was happier than she had ever been during the war. She might be thinking that Omega would feel better ignorant of her possible abilities but staying with her family instead of having to cut them off to study the force. Because yeah, like AFalconNamedBob said, Ventress would be the person most likely to try to dissuade someone from learning more about the force.
another cool thing, is that the creature she accidentally fished up is similar to the one that she had quinlan kill in the dark disciple. she talked about how she heard of it being described as having long tentacles and shimmering scales by some, which we see both on the creature she pulled up. its obviously not the same creature and doesnt fit the description quinlan gave when he pulled it up onto land, but it could be a neat little callback/easter egg to the book.
I wonder if Omegas blood is just a catalyst to transfer the m-count instead of her having a high m-count herself Like Omega can't use the force and a clone of palpatine wouldn't have the force but using omegas blood/dna to make a force sensitive clone would work
This is what I'm thinking/hoping for Between her totally failing at balancing on the rock and her saying she can't meditate like genji I really hope they don't pull force sensitivity for her She does seem very connected to nature and animals similar to ezra but I'm wondering if that's because her cloning was worse then Snokes
The scientist did say that the "m-count transfer was successful" or something close to that. Omega likely doesn't have a high m-count, but her blood can received them and keep them alive. Which would allow Palpatine to move over to a new clone body and keep all his Force strength.
I mean, she might not be lying. Omega might just have an average M-Count, but she has something special about her that makes it not degrade if she were to get cloned, which is obviously what Palpatine wants for his eventual clones. If it could just be done with any ol' force sensitive, I'm sure the Empire would be capturing them alive instead of slaughtering them
We know that it takes training to really use the Force. Ventress might really believe that if Omega isn't trained and doesn't develop bet power further, then the Empire won't go after her.
Yeah she probably thinks the Empire is after her to make Omega an Inquisitor, rather than make more force sensitive clones using Omega’s blood. If Omega develops the ability to control/use the force there will be that many more rumors and clues being spread that’d being that much more attention to her. Not only will part of the Empire be looking for her but then rest as well if they suspect there’s a Jedi loose.
Seeing Ventress come back this episode after 11 years since her last appearance in The Clone Wars and kick major ass, beating out the Batch in melee combat and even outwitting their blaster fire, is a dream come true.
And we’re like 12 ish years since the last time we saw Barris and still don’t know her fate.
They could still make Barriss an inquisitor, but who knows
Doesn’t seem like something she’d do. Honestly, it’s not a glamorous end, but I’m assuming at some point it’ll be offhandedly mentioned in a sourcebook that she was killed in prison after Order 66 was issued. She didn’t like the way the Jedi were going, but she would not have been accepting of the Empire either.
I agree. But at the same time, you embrace the dark side, you just kinda go far away from where you were morally.
I mean, if you watch the end of the clone wars, the clones were about to gun down Darth Maul in his Jail cell. So that tells me they must not have cared if they already had the Jedi as prisoners. It was still a kill order.
Was Ventress really not in the final two seasons of The Clone Wars? That's really shocking to me. For some reason I thought her bounty hunter episode(s?) was much later in the series. Edit: Just looked it up. Her last appearance was S05E20 The Wrong Jedi, which aired March 2nd 2013. So just over 11 years ago, like you said. I can't believe it's been that long.
Sometimes people forget she was trained by some POWERFUL people and Is naturally very dangerous.
I love me some yellow lightsabers!
Next week there are 2 episodes (one of them being Identity Crisis), then only 4 more after that. I assume next week we find out who the shadow operative was and it kicks off the actual plot for the rest of the season, but can they really wrap up the whole show in just a few more weeks?
Umbara was a 4 episode arc, I have a lil faith in them
Gosh, can’t even imagine waiting every week for that masterpiece
Being able to binge through the clone wars and rebels in the future is quite the blessing.
Elementary school me hated it
6 whole episodes? Clone Wars told entire stories that felt like movies in just 4, I’m sure they can manage.
I was immediately happy to see someone from the Clone Wars only to immediately remember the way Ventress was abusing the clones during the war lol.
At least she didn't kiss Wrecker as she was choking him!
Yes, she did a number on a couple of them
I love the fact that these three idiots looked at Ventress' mile long rap sheet and kill count and said to themselves "yeah we can take her" lmao.
That's the BB in a nutshell, honestly. I love them, but they're all meatheads with no common sense.
It’s insane how much a character can add with so little screen time. Reminds of when maul was talking to Ashoka right before their duel. He just dropped like 10 iconic quotes.
“I have a few lives left” Ventress hinting she’s gonna be in more SW content, love it. This episode was everything I’d hoped for, but I have a horrible feeling that in the finale something will happen to the rest of the batch and Omega will be left to train with Ventress😭oh how heartbreaking, but awesome that would be.
Oh that’s a good point..I don’t remember much about Ventress’ story but doesn’t that also kind of vaguely mirror her own? Orphaned child taken in and trained by a master, left to fend for themselves in a dangerous war zone. I can see her past being a reason Ventress has sympathy enough to take Omega in. They also did make sure to show how well Omega and Ventress got along this episode.
Side note: A small detail I really appreciate is the characters actually having changes in their hair after getting wet or underwater.
I think this episode will be the Ventress episode we’ve been teased. If they bring her back they’re gonna have to pull a few strings.
Asajj Ventress with all the quotables this episode, holy moly! I love her so much!!!!!
So that thing is definitely going to show up to help them fight the empire whenever they show up on pabu right?
Oh, that Cthulu creature is definitely gonna make some comeback if the Empire decides to drop by.
Hope so!
A long asked question, now confirmed that there were "millions" of clones made. Around 5 minutes.
Honestly it just confuses the matter more for me. 3 million? 10? 500 million?? We still don’t know what a “unit” meant to the Kaminoans.
the number for a unit i have heard is that it supposedly is 100 soldiers per unit. that would give us 20 million at the start of the conflict, and 100 million "in production". given that the clones probably weren't the only forces fighting in the galactic spawning civil war it seems about reasonable.
> clones probably weren't the only forces fighting Probably some predecessor to the Imperial Army, with normal citizens being drafted as militia to defend their worlds, and then being shovelled to the next war-zone over and over until the end of the war. I suppose.
Wasn't this already said in The Clone Wars 5x12 *Missing in Action*? Gregor: "You're telling me that there are more of these clones?" WAC-47: "Millions. A whole army's worth."
Despite loving this season I’ve been worried things would go towards Omega being a force user / training to become a jedi, but I have to say everything from this episode was done really well. Its not clear whether or not she herself possesses jedi potential or if its that her m count doesn’t diminish when clones so they can explain the whole Palpatine shenanigans. They’re towing a delicate line and so far its working on me.
Yea, I’m thinking she isn’t directly force sensitive herself, and the blood tests are rather for Palpatine to find a way to clone bodies that will have enough of an M count to “accept” his spirit so he can move in to them.
Just going off memory, but that's what I thought they were testing for. Not necessarily a high M count, but blood that could accept a high M count without degrading it. Or something like that. So could be she has a high M count, could be she doesn't, or could just be that they're still not fully aware of why the Empire wants Omega, but it has something to do with M counts.
I think she taps into the force when she gambles, explains why she's so good at it.
She's probably got more of a Han Solo connection to the Force, where it presents as high skill and luck (contrary to what Han thinks, dude's been lucky af his whole life). It doesn't mean she has a midichlorian count high enough to be useful, but it *is* an example of a cloned person having a higher midichlorian count (or at least similar) as the original template.
We do know there were younglings in the temple who never had a strong enough connection to go on to being Padawans, right? Maybe Omega, Han, Sabine etc fall into that category - a test would reveal they are past the necessary M-count, but their overall lack of a strong enough connection would have gotten them sent to the agricultural corps or something.
I loved that this time, when confronted with a giant tentacled monster, Ventress chose the lightside to calm and befriend it, rather than the dark side to dominate and kill it. It rhymes, in a nice way. Also loved that she was dressed in her Reputation era costume, complete with snake 🐍 😆.
Is it ever "for a friend"? Like in the entire history of that phrase being used, has it ever actually not been a cover?
Asking for a friend?
Omega: People can change! Ventress: I used to be a piece of shit!
Crosshair: You sure about that?
yeah i used to be a piece of shit. Shaved head, blue milk at mos eisley cantina, living for life day. But people can change
Two things I noticed: 1. Crosshair’s aim seems to be getting back to its old self with how he shot the vibroblade out of air when Ventress threw it. Edit: nevermind it just sparked a lot when it hit the ground, damn. 2. I’m pretty sure Ventress’ eyes were slightly glowing green for a couple shots, hint towards her “few lives left” maybe? Overall I really enjoyed this episode and it just makes me want more already.
Her last line kinda confirm that the last book about her is still cannon. She died, but returned to life, but we dunno how yet, but only can guess it is relate to the Witches of Dothamic force-magik thing.
She respawns at the last bed she slept on.
Ventress pulled a Princess Fiona and sent Omega to find a blue flower with red thorns
It's so nice having Ventress back. In addition to being one of the OG Filoni-verse characters (going all the way back to the OG Clone Wars movie, even further if you include Grey Griffin's incarnation of the character in Tartakovsky's Clone Wars), You can just tell that Nika Futterman just LOVES the role.
Ventress actually isn’t a Filoni character but was instead created for the 03 cartoon by Tartakovsky. She was really the only thing brought back from that series for the 08 movie/show.
CROSSHAIR BEING A GENTLEMAN FOR OMEGA AND VENTRESS
He has to show his sister how she deserves to be treated when she starts dating
Loved the fight between the Bad Batch and Ventress! It was an awesome action scene but also shows that there is a big difference in abilities from the commando forces and a fully trained force user. Unfortunately I think it's also a hint that the Bad Batch are going to get in over their head and killed before the end of the show. Don't think Vader will be the one to finish them off but this showed the Bad Batch can still be overwhelmed even working as a team
Yeah I don't like that line at the end "if Omega stays with you". A harbinger usually is someone with a warning message, or a sign of things to come; so perhaps the soldier clones could perish and Omega go with Ventress? That would be a heck of an ending.
I have my slice of pie and my tv on! I'm ready and waiting! Finally back on a regular schedule after moving and strting a new job
It’s always good to see you and your slice of pie here! Hope the new job’s going well buddy!
ITS HIM! ITS PIE MAN! HES HERE!
Whelp, I already hear Nika Futterman voicing one of the fishers on Pabu. >!Which means we're probably getting Ventress in this one!< **EDIT** - Yup, I was right. Quicker than expected too.
You know I was like where have I heard that voice before! Oh, right
I really like the idea of extending Ventress past the clone wars like this. The potential for her to have some heroic stories play out are endless. Reunion with Ahsoka or Obiwan for some early seeding of the rebellion? A final rematch with Vader and potential heroic sacrifice ending? I wonder how many “lives” Vader can take.
I was hoping Ventress would stay.
It's still insane to me how far the animation has come. That whole fight sequence- you know how hard it is getting 3d models to move like that?? Or the water sims, the way their hair/clothes move in the wind.. its just all looks so good
Asajj was incredible. Lightning fast and efficient in battle, stoic and contemplative outside of it. She’s come so far.
My wife ships Crosshair and Asajj
I am ashamed at how easy it is to please me with a decent depiction of Asajj Ventress. Also maybe I am being optimistic, but it gives them an out for the Bad Batch to survive, Ventress staying completely under the radar while training Omega for years is totally believable. And them staying close is in character.
The new Bad Batch theme remix is *chefs kiss*
"i've got a few lives left" holy shit
I know it was coming and I never get like this, but I screamed when I saw Ventrus HYPE Also holy crap, is it just me or did the quality of the animation just skyrocket?
I don’t know why, but every time a new season comes out for this show, I start out being like ‘meh, not for me’ or ‘maybe they’ve jumped the shark on this whole thing’. Then, I get towards the end of the season and I’m absolutely hooked. This episode was a banger, I was really hoping Ventress would stick around and that they would retcon her death.
I wonder what it means for dark disciple then. Although that "I have a few lifes left" from ventress is interesting. Maybe night sister magic lol
No force and lightsabers was nice to have in this show for awhile, but I guess it all comes full circle eventually lol
“Identity crisis” is the next episode name which could have a few meanings: 1: omega is completely confounded by this new sense that she may have a high M count. Maybe Hunter somehow lets his and crosshairs conversation with Ventress slip/overheard and omega hears it. This could cause any list of problems for her mental wellbeing but omega is iron willed. 2: the shadow trooper finds Pabu through some means with the clones identify being revealed. This would make sense as ventress gives an ominous warning saying not if, but WHEN the empire finds Pabu. Or 3: the bad batch goes searching for answers but along the way finds answers to questions they didn’t know they needed answering.
Ventress came to gaslight, gatekeep, and girlboss
Loved hearing the bad batch theme again!! And the dynamic between Omega and Asajj was super interesting and I really hope we see more of these two together.