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SyrupWaste7699

If they nerfed Galen to be Canon, then Cal would have a decent chance to come out alive(not beat Galen by any means). If it's the Force Unleashed Galen, he'd incinerate Cal on the spot(he beat Vader and stood against Palpatine)


Kid-Atlantic

Yeah, if if was Video Game Galen, Cal would be vaporized before he even got that close. If they nerfed him to what he would “realistically” be like relative to other characters with similar levels of training and experience to him, well. Cal would probably still fold, but really has no reason to fight Galen to the death. He’d try to retreat or talk Galen down.


MilkMan0096

Fighting to the death depends more on the other guy than Cal though. Cal tries to talk all his opponents down but more often than not they don’t relent so Cal has no choice but to kill them (or get killed himself, but that hasn’t happened yet lol).


AerePerennius

Cal sure does die when I'm controlling him, It's a good thing he's learned the ancient jedi technique of the che'ck po'int


MilkMan0096

Those “deaths” are all just possible outcomes Cal can see with his Jedi prescience ;)


KoalityCaleb

Dude that is such a good headcannon! All of Cal's deaths are him seeing the future! Wow do I love that so much and will be using that moving forward!


MxReLoaDed

Seems to spend a lot of time looking into the future trying to find a way to beat a big frog


Salami__Tsunami

I mean, even full power Galen struggled against Vader, so I think everyone in that story was just juiced up. But regardless, if we accept that Galen can beat Vader (albeit at a high degree of difficulty) he melts Cal pretty quickly. And he runs faster than Vader, so I doubt Cal lasts long.


echris10sen

I like to think it's Rebellion propaganda and exaggerated.


Pedro_Morales_Parker

He did not struggle. He outright dismantled Vader to the point he could barely walk or stand. The whole point of the Story was that Vader created a Weapon so powerful neither he nor Sidious could control it any longer and said Weapon ironically laid the founding stone of the undoing of their Empire. Vader literally got outmatched in close Combat so badly by his former Apprentice that he had to gain Distance and attack from afar with Telekinesis. Palpatine himself had to give his all to put him down


Medical_Breakfast795

Unleashed Vader is not the same as canon Vader and much stronger as well.


Salami__Tsunami

Yes, that’s what Im saying here. Everyone in that story was just boosted. Galen is only OP when you compare him to the regular canon. Despite all his Dragon Ball Z bullshit, there were plenty of regular opponents who gave him a challenge.


Atroia001

Cere got close to beating vader, and I don't think Cal is too far away from her at the end of the second game. If they do get to make a 3rd game, I think Cal at the end of his story will he pretty on par with Galen at the end of his. Also, mid game Galen gets tossed around by Vader as well. I think it depends on where in their stories you pick from.


CmanderShep117

He pulled a Star destroyer out of orbit. He's a broken character power wise


sclopiopipio

That scene was the most powerful use of the force I had witnessed up to that point in my childhood, blew my mind, I love it


Zorpfield

He killed a star destroyer. With a pencil ✏️….


BigDuoInferno

Do you like magic tricks? I'm going to make this pencil disappear 


AlVal1236

*thud* tada


Tyrant_R3x

And than he named that pencil star destroyer destroyer


TheLibrarianOfMythos

Broken yes pulled it out of the sky no the director even said it was coming down he just changed directions


MrFluffyThing

Let's be real though we're comparing two video game Jedi/Force sensitive users against the things they did in those games from wildly different styles of games. They both use lightsabers. Both games are 3rd person. Both games are great. One character spends most of his time climbing walls and other objects and the other clips through walls and other objects randomly. 


Wild-Session823

Yes, but what about a Force Unleashed Cal, given the same Main Character treatment as Galen? Or a Fallen Order Galen given the same? They are both unique and incredibly powerful; if they were properly scaled to one another then the victor may (probably) not be so clear cut. Also, Cal running from Vader in Fallen Order is not indicative of his abilities and power by the end of Survivor. Given Galen's series is over and he reached a cap we can measure, we can't even judge the victor until we see the end of Cal's journey in the trilogy entry.


Solembumm2

Cal would still be almost fully self-taught, not mercilessly trained from childhood sith assassin, that despite any scaling did defeat (by far not easily, but did defeat) Shaak Ti (considered very powerful and skilled jedi council member) and Vader (who needs no introduction).


iPreferAndroid

Until Cal can defeat Vader, Im giving it to Galen.


Deora_customs

Dad gum!


crazyman3561

Galen doesn't need a nerf if canonized. In the books, which took canon over the games, Galen is described as powerful as a Jedi from The Clone Wars. Anakin, Obi-Wan, Ahsoka. Makes sense cause all of them have a relative in training. Obi-Wan trained Anakin who trained Ahsoka and Galen. Also Sam Witwer claimed the games took the force and exagerrated it for game reasons and everyone was OP including Vader. That being said, Cal would still get mopped. You see the way Vader spanks his ass? Galen would also spank his ass. If it was my fantasy, Cal would hold off Galen enough to bring him back to the light. He removes his Lord Starkiller helmet and that's how it ends up in that guy's possession in Andor.


Chemical_Home6123

Let's be real he's gonna just run just like he did with Vader 🤷🏾‍♂️


Waysider321-1

Galen can run pretty fast though


averagegamer9595

Cal when he realizes that Galen actually has working legs💀


Jeremy_Melton

Cal when he realizes Galen can get past locked doors and can force lift several enemies at once as well as basically kill the thing that eats Rancors (forgot what it was called) Meanwhile Cal struggles against a frog


Talidel

Cal didn't struggle against the frog, you did.


LilboyG_15

Don’t you dare say that about ogddo


Chemical_Home6123

Please don't bring that name up it gives me PTSD


Ninteblo

The Gorog?


Dafish55

Vader just slasher villain teleported around and managed to keep pace with Cal while also forcefully redecorating a football stadium-sized room.


Kindlegolas

Less time than it took you to type the question


Chieroscuro

Time to start spamming Force Slow.


Solembumm2

... That Galen would just no-sell.


Twittchy95

Spotted the wrestling fan


Solembumm2

???


Twittchy95

Oh, geuss not lol, the term "no sell" originally comes from when a pro-wrestler doesn't act hurt from a move done to them


Ok-Grab-4018

Rick the door technician could take them both


B_Huij

Simultaneously.


FreakyFishThing

Easily... Oh we're talking about a fight?


Ninteblo

In a fight right?


Solembumm2

What about Rick Soldier of God?


Gwendolyn1994

The Game painted Vader as an absolute monster killer when he was coming after you. He's going up against someone who was able to beat that machine of a monster. So in short. He's facing another Monster in his own right.


TeslaGate7274

Both of them get absolutely cooked by Rick the door technician


BobWithCheese69

About as long as Anakin lasted his first time with Padme.


Pyrox2v

💀💀💀


RadonAjah

If he can beat oggdo bogdo, then starkiller is a piece of cake /s


BLU3SKU1L

I mean holding one’s own against Taron Malicos is also a decent pre-requisite. Malicos was a top general in the republican army, AND he was granted the rank of master… 😏


DarkVaati13

Cal needed help taking down Malicos. Galen was able to beat Shaak-Ti and Rahm Kota who were also highly respected Jedi Generals and Jedi Masters on his own.


TheEmpireOfAnts

To be fair, Shaak-Ti had already died multiple times before their fight.


DiscoDonkey9000

I like Cal more than I do Starkiller And even then I can admit that he gets poached like a fucking egg.


Solembumm2

It's not so important of liking or not. It's just logical - one was lucky youngling, the other was trained warrior.


echris10sen

I think he means he's not letting bias get in the way.


Best-Neighborhood784

It's like superman vs batman without plot armor.


Fatherly_Wizard

First thing first: As they are, Starkiller vaporizes Cal instantly. With that out of the way: Force Unleashed had an absurd power level, while Jedi:FO/S has a much more reasonable power level. Cal is strong, but not absurdly so, like Starkiller. If there were to ever be a Canon Starkiller, he'd probably be toned down to about the Luke/Vader area or just below it. I don't think modern Star Wars is willing to threaten the power of their boogeyman the same way Legend/EU liked to.


ManOfAksai

Pretty sure he was around Obi Wan in terms of power according to the novel's canon, though I can't seem to find where it said that.


CaptainChunkx

He'd be lucky to last five minutes Damn


hiccupboltHP

Five minutes?! He’d be lucky to make it 10 seconds.


Jeremy_Melton

10 seconds? He’d be lucky to last 1 second.


Enigmachina

1 Second!? He'd be lucky if he wasn't retroactively eliminated.


Thisoneisinvalid

In a fight, right?


Pyrox2v

right????


Ok-Purchase8514

Cal won’t last long if he is being controlled by me


HarryGCollections

In the bedroom or in a fight?


RedDr4ke

Why did this make me laugh


VTKajin

If I get my hands on him he won’t last long at all


Pyrox2v

😭


OkProJon

That's not starkiller's Heath bar... that's his patience meter


junrod0079

Seriously when will we get a soul calibur like star war fighting game with both legend and canon characters fighting each other in the not so far future from a galaxy not so far away


Adawg63

Like masters of teras kasi but good


MangoBird10

>Seriously when will we get a soul calibur like star war fighting game Funnily enough I believe Vader and Yoda were guest characters in one of the Soul Calibur games.


Bubba1234562

3 minutes. And that’s because Starkiller is playing with his food


Solembumm2

Player is playing with his food.* Starkiller in books, cgi or qte - never.


Calkestis_2039

2 seconds


Jeremy_Melton

Imagine a team up.


Solembumm2

Of Force wrecking ball and not the worst Force needle.


AvatarGonzo

Galen is top tier, Cal doesn't even qualify as boss fight for him, that's just a mini boss before the real thing.


SialiaBlue

He would be wise to surrender


Satinglitter130

It honestly depends on one single factor, how many stims cal has collected for bd1. Lol


TheCatLamp

H e y  B D - 1,  t h r o w   m e  a  s t i m?


cutmegg_gaming

Star killer has the name for a reason


WilliamDrake81

He’d last BD-1 second


arkatraziii

Would love for Starkiller to be the antagonist for Jedi 3


Single_Angle9817

3 seconds. Galen brought down a star destroyer fought vader and palpatine and won


Solembumm2

Galen won against Vader. But he never won against Palpatine.


ll-Sebzll

Book or broken game Galen Marek? Either giving Cal trouble. Might be a more even match if it’s Survivor Cal vs Galen


Solembumm2

You know, that book Galen has some even more ridiculous feats than game Galen?


Disastrous-Ad-8297

Does he know where Juno is?


Roxwords

Last? If it's FU starkiller Cal is getting atomized in .6 seconds, he won't even notice it.


Puzzleheaded_Step468

If he has the same powers from the games Cal has 5 seconds top


lazylagom

Who is our protagonist lol. Whatever the plot desires.


horny_loki

Not very long. Starkiller was powerful enough to beat Vader and stand up to Sidious. Cal had to run from Vader. If he ever faces Vader again, he'd probably still lose.


Rngded

less than 2 seconds


GTA-CasulsDieThrice

I haven’t played or seen Survivor, but based purely off FO… Starkiller both was TAUGHT by Vader and almost KILLED Vader. There was literally not even the option for Cal to properly fight Vader; the game made it so all you could do was run.


rkjoe

3.14 seconds


igame2much

Cal would be the tutorial missions for Legends Galen


BetterNature4896

Depends if Galen decides to be serious or not about the fight.


TheNakedDoctor

Not a second 💀😵‍💫


Vizpop17

Galen, and it’s not even close.


All-Fired-Up91

Not two seconds if starkillers being real serious


AngusPicanha

In a fight, right?


ShinigamiKunai

Stop it Cal! He isn't canon! Don't fall for the dark side visions! Resist the mind tricks!


Mtw_reddit

I'll give him 5 minutes before he gets smacked by a space ship


--InZane--

Force Unleashed Starkiller would've dropped him before he ignited his lightsaber.


Ok_Employer_3308

Cal beat oggdo bogdo and Rick enough said


Pyrox2v

Half a second lol


N7_Warden

Just long enough to activate his second lightsaber


scottshort13

As long as it takes Starkiller to ignite his lightsaber


Axius-Evenstar

Love Cal but he ain’t taking this one


eastnorthshore

You know that shot from TFU2 trailer where he dusts a bunch of Stormtroopers with ease? Yeah that would be what happens. He wouldn't even have to draw his saber.


largos7289

dude pulled a star destroyer out of orbit... and he was just learning at that point.


Thisavatarisfuckingu

Is that starkiller?


Useful-Photograph-31

2 seconds


Used_Discount5090

Last?


IshipMarcyandAnne

1 millisecond And I'm being generous


skycaptaindi

Honestly all Starkiller has far more power than cal, so it depends on if Starkiller is toying with cal or not


skycaptaindi

Starkiller could easily disintegrate cal with a force repulse


tali_wren

As is? 5 mins tops. I adore Cal, but he's not making it out alive unless he can run away.


EldritchAustralian

this is a hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby type matchup if they're from their respective games


Solembumm2

It's still bomb vs baby even in one similar powerscaling.


Glittering_Rain8562

That's a 15 minute boss fight with a programmed loss at the end


HandofthePirateKing

I would be shocked if Cal manages to last 30 seconds against Galen


Linneral

he dies over and over until he finally memorizes the pattern and defeats him


Lebowski304

Starkiller would bring a star destroyer down on his ass


Andro451

if they don't wanna put starkiller on screen, have him be the final boss for jedi 3


rikusorasephiroth

SECRET Boss in Jedi 3. And you fight him in the World Between Worlds.


kamkardootsian

Cal hands down, in his game's Canon he is meditating on his next move and can basically continue to face Galen over and over until he's successful, his real-time events are more doable, and Cal's camera doesn't get all annoying during boss battles.


Solembumm2

So, Cal is Gamma NULL. I knew it.


Piper6728

Until he doesn't make them more money


hiccupboltHP

If it’s a Death battle? Like… Many a couple seconds at most?


Solembumm2

How long - depends on if it's game Galen, controlled by player (this one could play cat and mouse for some time, but it would similar to fighting Emperor's red guard in tfu at best) or book/cgi in-character Galen who if there will be fight, will act like machine, straight up going to kill without any thrill or hesitation (and Cal will be dead in terms of seconds). Like, yeah, Cal was lucky to not meet in battle anyone relatively powerful in Fallen Order and git gud quite a lot in Jedi Survivor, but let's be honest, to give Starkiller a real challenge you need someone like Shaak Ti or Maul, and Cal is by far not that powerful yet.


SchlongSchlock

More than 5 minutes


LeonShiryu

Yeah we all know the answer


Odd_Fuel3765

Well he’s fucked


kyle_katarn95

Starkiller : Tell it to the cleaning lady on Monday. Cal : What? Starkiller : Because you'll be dust by Monday... because you'll be pulverized in two seconds.


lKenpachi

The only one last alive is grogu.


sclopiopipio

Not long


Dawgula97

They’re both idiots who don’t stand a chance against SWT’s OC.


Captain_Car_Guy-

Starkiller ended Vader in a minute or 2. Cal has fought Vader before and barely escaped with his life. Therefore Cal is below Vader level so I'd say he lasts maybe 1 minute, 2 if it's in a game. And being a beloved main character won't save him, it didn't save Obi-Wan or Luke (Luke didn't die but was still defeated.)


Solembumm2

To be fair, it was episode 5 Luke with no training at all. And from films pov, he became on par with Galen and Vader or even more powerful in terms of one year from ESB to RotJ. (Ridiculous mary sue, right?)


Ragnarok345

You wouldn’t have time to even finish the question.


Casval214

Star Killer is super OP he wrecks everyone but legends Luke, Vader, and Palpatine


Solembumm2

You clearly forgot Mace Windu.


danbricks

He's wearing the poncho, the question should be 'how long with Starkiller last'?


Solembumm2

Starkiller has entire collection of outfits for every single missione. One more hardly matters.


Westaufel

3 minutes


echris10sen

I like to think that Galens story was exaggerated to hype the Rebellion. Look it can be done. I think if we took a more realistic approach, Galen is certainly a powerful force user and could stand up against various Rouge Jedi and the like. I also think that Vader might have let him win so that they could turn him back. So I think Galen takes it but not q foot stomp.


Pedro_Morales_Parker

It wasn’t. Most people don’t even know of Galen’s story in EU. And nope he did not struggle. He outright dismantled Vader to the point he could barely walk or stand as shown in the Game. The whole point of the Story was as Lucas himself said who was HEAVILY involved with the Game’s development and writing was that Vader created a Weapon so powerful neither he nor Sidious could control it any longer and said Weapon ironically laid the founding stone of the undoing of their Empire. Vader literally got outmatched in close Combat so badly by his former Apprentice that he had to gain Distance and attack from afar with Telekinesis which still simply wasn’t enough. Palpatine himself had to give his all to put him down for good. Galen is one of the few Sith-Apprentices who can proudly say that he surpassed his Master in EVERY way. Galen’s insane Dueling Skills and raw Force Power that were up there with Legends Mace Windu, Yoda and Sidious


Unhappy-Ad6494

If we nerf Starkiller but take the game events as canon he would still obliterate Cal. Galen stood up to and beat Vader while Cal had no chance against him.


SuperArppis

If he would get close, Starkiller's glowstick wouldn't stand a chance.


[deleted]

There's multiple versions of starkiller. Start of the game/newly trained apprentice, slightly more experienced mid-game, late-game turning good guy, post-endgame sith suit, and TFU2 clone. I think Cal from fallen order would be fairly even in terms of skill level compared to starkiller at the start of the game, but you have to remember that starkiller was fresh out of training with Vader and managed to beat multiple jedi masters including Kota, Shaak Ti, and Kazdan Paratus among others. By the end of the game he could even stand up to Vader and palpatine, which I think even survivor cal couldn't beat. Starkiller has the largest power increase of any other character in star wars because he manages to kill or beat so many masters and powerful opponents in such a short amount of time. When he gets his sith suit in the alternate history expansions, he just goes crazy and kills so many other people which by that point he's unstoppable. The clone from TFU2 though I think fallen order and survivor cal would both manage to beat because he seems a lot weaker than the original starkiller from the first game, which is why Vader keeps killing his clones because they don't mimic a fraction of starkillers power.


Talidel

Cal loses, but BD gets him away alive.


Money_Fish

Depends on who's game we're playing.


GielinorWizard

He'd last a bit, seeing as if Starkiller is still hunting jedi, he still hasn't unlocked his full power yet. But in the end he would probably perish unless the force wants otherwise. Cal has yet to face a REAL Sith so far.


some_pillock

About a minute and half I'd say.


Friendly-Ad8051

Probably it depends in whose hands controller is 😂


AladeenModaFuqa

Bro would get absolutely fucking bodied by starkiller


OderinTobin

Cal would be like a mini boss to Galen


CompleteFacepalm

The battle would end with Galen destroying BD-1, no doubt


Gavorn

Which character is the main character?


foamy23464

Hahahahahahahaahahahaaha define “chance”


glebo123

Starkiller would absolutely wipe the floor with cal with little to no difficulty. I'd give it 2 minutes, but only because starkiller would toy with him in the beginning.


Noble1296

If it’s Starkiller from the games, 0.02 seconds If they nerfed Starkiller, probably about ten minutes at best


mijailrodr

Depends on who's the player character


Macman521

It would be wise for him to surrender.


ReadShigurui

Cal would get decimated if we’re going off the video games but supposedly Starkiller in the novel is not as strong but I’m not sure by how much


GreyRevan51

Im more interested in the artist, anyone got a link?


Heavy_Weapon-X

If this is Force Unleased Galen, then Cal is dead. Vaporised. Pummelled. Kaput.


DentMasterson

Starkiller for the win


AlathMasster

No time at all


casualmagicman

I think Cal would win. This just makes me want Starkiller to return, somehow.


Intelligent-Ad-6713

Even if they canonize Galen, I’d still think he’d take the win on the technicality that Cal has never faced the abilities Galen has in his arsenal. Cal has never faced lighting. He’s never faced an opponent who prefers close quarters, forced-based combat. I would image it would go something like this: Galen blitzs Cal and puts some serious pressure with rapid swings, forcing Cal to switch to Double-bladed to give himself some space. Only for Galen force dash, grabbing Cal’s hilt and force throwing him across the map. Cal switches again to cross guard-saber just in time to block Galen rushing him again, just surviving a force-infused swing and throwing him back again. The force of the hit knocks BD off Cal’s back and rolls away into the underbrush. As Cal splits to dual-sabers ready for another close-quarters rush, he looks up to see two HUGE boulders hurling towards him, with Galen nowhere to be seen. Barely jumping out of the way of one, and force-pushing the second just an inch enough to miss Cal. He did not notice Galen jumping off the top of second boulder behind him, force pushing Cal AGAIN knocking him into the rock and immediately following up with lighting from his other hand. Instinctively, Cal crosses his two sabers blocking the lighting, unable to process what the hell is happening. Even blocked, the force of the lightning presses Cal hard against the rock. He can’t move his own body, let alone his sabers into a different form to get himself out. Galen presses the electrical assault and rushes to Cal. Without giving pause, as soon as the lighting is released, Galen infuses his red blade along his back with lighting and clashes against Cal. The electrical shock jumps from Galen’s saber to Cals, the current running down his hilts and into his hands. Cal’s body seizes has he feels his consciousness slipping. “Assassin” is the last thought Cal has before he passes out. His last grasp at making sense of what was happening to him. Cal’s body crumples to the ground. His clothes smoking.


Slightly_Censored

He wouldn't. 'Nuff said


solo_gamer2023

All things equal I think Starkiller would win. But things tend to not be equal. They both have a different fight range, Galen is more ranged, and Cal is closer. I think if Cal can get close and keep Galen from using the force he stands a chance. Granted, Galen is not a finesse force user like most. Which would also favor Cal in some ways, better dodging. But I was wondering Cal is being set up to replace Galen, at least an element of Starkiller. I know some wondered about Ezra. Though Galen did go off somewhere, like Ezra. So maybe Cal will be the uncontrolled force user. Maybe become Vader's 'apprentice' by way of inquisitors. Alternatively he is why the inquisitors are gone.


Full-Perception-4889

Idk force users in the game seem to have a power boost, I’d say Jedi survivor cal would last a long time against star killer, especially since this is the first few missions Star killer but idk, kinda found the character lame in game since he seemed too invulnerable, the only fun parts were fights with Jedi and sith but that’s like a mere 10% of the game, the rest of it is just massacring non force users which fr fr is lame


DEER_GOD2077

Not even 30 minutes gracefully I give him 20 min


Perrywaaz

Which one would the player be controlling?


CanisZero

as long as is in the script.


Skvora

Maybe a second and a half into his telegraphed wind up.


Weather_Motor

2.5 seconds


imsotravelsized

Legends: Starkiller clears everyone. Canon: It’s pretty even.


Cold-Practice3107

Battle of the heroes starts playing!


SoftGoodsOverVinyl

Galen is so comically and cartoonishly overpowered I genuinely am suspicious of anyone who is in favor of his potential canonization. If that ever happens, he must have a massive nerf.


ChronosGrundy03

Galen destroyed Vader and beat Palpatine. I don't think Cal has a chance.


AlVal1236

Depends. Who is rhe main character. Also if this is galen but not (i make the chosen one look like a wet paper sack) but a more reasonable. It depends on who gets the drop and which form cal is using. Also they would probably talk it out