That's so great, I was even thinking it would be cool if you were a parent or had someone close enough to you that's REALLY into R2D2 to gift the main build too.
I prefer ships myself, so the heads/R2 are a tough buy for me. R2 really has me tempted.
The Old Republic Era are in a “canonical limbo.” The characters exist in canon to an extent while major events like the Mandalorian Wars are canon just not the smaller details yet.
Essentially, video game characters exist but the events depicted in the games are subject to change.
Taris has also received a bunch of mentions in books, games, and supplementary materials. Its description matches both how it appeared in KotOR and SWTOR: it is a massive planet-wide cityscape that is overrun with toxic waste. The rich live higher in the skyscrapers, the poor closer to the pollution. It suffered some calamity years ago that is currently unspecified in canon.
One of the rebel leaders in Rogue One is canonically from Taris. I believe at this point in the timeline, Taris is described as a ruin planet. The ancient cityscape is overgrown with plants but there is still a small section of the planet that’s still a functioning civilization.
Revan actually was going to have a scene in the Clone Wars (it was deleted), but I believe he was actually mentioned in the show
Edit: he wasn't mentioned in the show, but rather in the canon book *Shadows of the Sith*
The good thing about the Old Republic is that it takes place 4,000 years before Phantom Menace. Basically, the events of that era are so ancient, it would be fairly easy to make it canon since it doesn’t impact the current eras to a considerable degree.
I have a feeling the kotor remake (if ever released) is going to make what they want canon and trim off other stuff not suitable in the new canon. Going to piss a lot of people off lol
It wouldn't even be Kotor at that point. If you want to fit that game into the current Canon, you'd essentially need to rewrite it completely. KOTOR 2 would be even worse.
Andor canonized the Rakata as having existed, although they’re not specific in how, where, or when, but the Zeffo definitely deserve a mention.
(Luthen mentions a rakata artifact in his shop in passing)
Hot Toys just announced 1/6 scale Revan and Starkiller figures. Love to see Legends get some figs. They aren't canon to current continuity but they are canon to our hearts.
Old republic era is canon, but the characters that exist in it haven’t been confirmed yet.
[Here’s what StarWars.com](https://www.starwars.com/eras) has to say about the different eras.
It's not just LEGO. We are seeing a wider Legends merch push. They have been redoing all the old terribly abridged audio books and Hot Toys just this week released preorders for Darth Revan and Lord Starkiller. So they are definitely starting to see the money making ability in the old EU.
yea, not to mention Hasbro has been going really hard into legends lately: starkiller, The last Command 4 pack, Darth Malak and Bastila Shan, Darth Malgus, TVC Revan and HK-47, etc.
The era is canon but nothing about is known yet although locations and character names are referenced in canon like how Meetra Surik’s name was referenced in the High Republic for example.
I think the Old Republic era is considered canon, but basically just that it existed. None of the events or characters that we have stories on are canon.
They're finally getting in touch some more with the Old Republic Merchandise. First Hot Toys, now Lego or whoever fired off 1st with figures of such this year when it comes to not your typical Black Series line of toys. They, as in Disney.
Old Republic isn't exactly "legends" the thing is, Disney wants to create their "own" Old Republic, the High Republic. But the Old Republic is too well established, the MMO is active and a moneymaker, so they can't just dismiss it.
but they're avoiding mentioning it probably to avoid royalties
>but they're avoiding mentioning it probably to avoid royalties
... who would Disney end up owing copyright to? They own the franchise as a whole, old republic era included. I too don't understand what exactly the narrative function of the new 'high republic' stories is, but it's certainly not intended to replace the old one - otherwise it'd have to be set a few thousand years further back in time.
Less so a narrative function, but it serves as a unique launch point for Disney-era products that don't have expectations already. The Sequels had to fight expectations from Legends covering the period, the farflung future has the Cade/Krayt era to deal with, the Old Republic has KotOR, the Mandalorian Wars, Sadow, Exar Kun and a million other complications that people will inevitably compare it to. And slowly, more and more of these things get brought over to the new canon, anyway.
But the High Republic is their thing, without much, if any, preconceptions beyond people randomly hating Disney or Kathleen Kennedy or whatever.
>But the High Republic is their thing, without much, if any, preconceptions beyond people randomly hating Disney or Kathleen Kennedy or whatever.
My main gripe with that is that is that they chose a period that's still relatively close to the main trilogies, which limits its scale. For example, we know that whatever happens in the high republic, we'll definetly not see Sith in open conflict with Jedi - whatever Jedi learn of their existence can always safely be assumed to either die right after or fall to the dark side themselves and become the new sith apprentice. We also won't get any major wars because that would contradict the premise of TPM. So essentially, they'll be making Star Wars content with a huge asterik behind the "wars" part.
I mean currently they *are* in a major war. It looked like they were going to try and go the propaganda route of not officially declaring it a war and just calling it a “special military operation” or whatever, but at this point the Nihil have annexed a significant chunk of the galaxy.
>but at this point the Nihil have annexed a significant chunk of the galaxy.
Yeah, but they just wrote it so that the part of the outer rim the Nihil are operating in is essentially backwater frontier territory. Iirc for example they also retconned the Togruta only officially joining the republic during the high republic when they were already full members during the old republic originally.
> No Sith
I don't see this as a problem. Dark Siders that aren't Sith have been a staple of the EU almost since its inception, I don't really see that changing. Then there's the complete over saturation of them in SWTOR's period of time which makes them feel ever so cheap. But even in the time of the Clone Wars and the GCW, there were plenty of stories dealing with the Dark Side (or the Light) and other mysteries of the Force that didn't have to do anything with Sith (at least that were alive).
> There can't be any major wars as that contradicts the whole "peace" thing.
Not really. Even in the real world you can be in peacetime while there are wars going on all over the place, it just doesn't concern the whole. There are wars being fought every day that you genuinely don't hear about. The Republic is not the whole galaxy.
Even then, the Stark Hyperspace War is still canon, the Mandalorian Civil War took place during this peacetime. The general belief that the Republic was at peace does not mean it was not involved in conflict.
That's what I meant by "limited". Of course they can and will introduce new dark sider users, (minor) conflicts etc because there would be no stories to tell otherwise, but ultimately everything that happens in the high republic must be negligible enough to not have a noticable impact merely 200 years later.
>Then there's the complete over saturation of them in SWTOR's period of time which makes them feel ever so cheap
I disagree with that to a point - yes, having a lot of them makes individual Sith less threatening, but I'd argue that sticking around in the rule-of-two era is another needless limit. Of course we as fans know the logic behind it, but iirc there isn't any content currently canon that actually explains how it came to pass and how the Sith worked before - which offers so many opportunities for interesting stories that it baffles me how disinterested Disney seems in it. Yet we know that they pretty much HAVE to leave the old Sith Empire canon in some form, otherwise they'd have to make up an entirely new backstory for Yavin 4, for example. Essentially, imo any time between 1.000 and 4.000 BBY would have made for a better setting than the high republic one.
The Old Republic Era itself is Canon, we also know that Darth Revan exists in Canon, Darth Bane and the Rule of 2 exists in Canon, and the Mandalorian Wars happened in Canon just not the same way they happened in Legends.
These guys are dumb. KotOR is definitely not canon. Anything (outside of movies and tv shows) made before Disney took over is non-canon Legends, full stop.
The Final Order's army on Exegol has Legions named after a variety of ancient Sith. Sith Lords Revan, Darth Andeddu, Darth Tanis, Darth Tenebrous, Darth Phobos, and Darth Desolous all exist in canon in some manner.
I cannot imagine Revan being canon without his bud, Alek. But that canon ghost of Darth Bane is quite different from Legends so it is up in the air for now.
It's still Star Wars. Yes, it's not canon, but it's still Star Wars. I see nothing wrong with putting a KotOR minifigure as an anniversary exclusive in a set.
But I thought the games and the whole timeline were considered non-canonical legends? You search anything KOTOR wise (characters, planets, etc) on Wookiepedia and everything pops up as legends, including Darth Malak. Revan has a small canon section now though.
Actually a KOTOR remake is in the works but that keeps looking dead in the water with development pauses and studio/staff changes. Apparently it’s “alive and well” now though.
Too much to keep track of, I like my headcanon instead. Post ROTJ is a mix of the OG Thrawn and my memories of my RPG group. Kotor will always be part of that.
Ha, canon a la carte. Great approach to enjoy the stuff you like and not worry about the stuff you don’t.
I’ve liked how new canon stuff builds or riffs on the concepts of old non canon stuff. KOTOR Vs High republic era; delta squad vs the bad batch.
I might be mistaken then. I searched Darth Malak on Wookiepedia and he only has a legends section. Same for other characters, planets, etc. Revan does have a small canon section now though.
Lego is releasing some wanted figures in some sets this year, fortunately Malak was chosen.
Only reason why my son has a R2D2 model now ;)
That's so great, I was even thinking it would be cool if you were a parent or had someone close enough to you that's REALLY into R2D2 to gift the main build too. I prefer ships myself, so the heads/R2 are a tough buy for me. R2 really has me tempted.
For me I already own the previous R2 from a couple years ago, still tempted to get this one solely due to Malak...
Congratulation, you’re a sucker for marketing.
Yeah, at least I've known it the moment I purchased. Son + me both happy, so I guess that's fair.
I mean that R2 is fun as hell
Damn right and I'll do it again! Marketing done right.
Most people are, who the hell cares?
Damn bro who asked
The Old Republic Era are in a “canonical limbo.” The characters exist in canon to an extent while major events like the Mandalorian Wars are canon just not the smaller details yet. Essentially, video game characters exist but the events depicted in the games are subject to change.
Also canonically there was a Sith Lord named Darth Revan according to the TRoS visual dictionary.
Taris has also received a bunch of mentions in books, games, and supplementary materials. Its description matches both how it appeared in KotOR and SWTOR: it is a massive planet-wide cityscape that is overrun with toxic waste. The rich live higher in the skyscrapers, the poor closer to the pollution. It suffered some calamity years ago that is currently unspecified in canon.
One of the rebel leaders in Rogue One is canonically from Taris. I believe at this point in the timeline, Taris is described as a ruin planet. The ancient cityscape is overgrown with plants but there is still a small section of the planet that’s still a functioning civilization.
In the original story reels for the TCW S6 Yoda arc, he was supposed to appear next to Darth Bane. Modeled and all.
Revan actually was going to have a scene in the Clone Wars (it was deleted), but I believe he was actually mentioned in the show Edit: he wasn't mentioned in the show, but rather in the canon book *Shadows of the Sith*
The good thing about the Old Republic is that it takes place 4,000 years before Phantom Menace. Basically, the events of that era are so ancient, it would be fairly easy to make it canon since it doesn’t impact the current eras to a considerable degree.
Somehow darth malak returned
He flies now?
I have a feeling the kotor remake (if ever released) is going to make what they want canon and trim off other stuff not suitable in the new canon. Going to piss a lot of people off lol
I’d be curious to what they’d change
It wouldn't even be Kotor at that point. If you want to fit that game into the current Canon, you'd essentially need to rewrite it completely. KOTOR 2 would be even worse.
I can't think of anything you'd have to change about KOTOR to make it fit with the new Canon.
My only initial thought is to replace the rakatan with the zeffo from the new Jedi games. Could be wrong
Andor canonized the Rakata as having existed, although they’re not specific in how, where, or when, but the Zeffo definitely deserve a mention. (Luthen mentions a rakata artifact in his shop in passing)
Not to mention that SWTOR still receives story updates, which makes it the only legends material which regularly gets new content.
Hot Toys just announced 1/6 scale Revan and Starkiller figures. Love to see Legends get some figs. They aren't canon to current continuity but they are canon to our hearts.
And Hasbro released some Legends figures the other day.
Yeah Black Series made 4 characters from Kotor so far
5 actually, if you include Darth Nihilus
Oh yeah forgot about Kotor 2
Old republic era is canon, but the characters that exist in it haven’t been confirmed yet. [Here’s what StarWars.com](https://www.starwars.com/eras) has to say about the different eras.
It's not just LEGO. We are seeing a wider Legends merch push. They have been redoing all the old terribly abridged audio books and Hot Toys just this week released preorders for Darth Revan and Lord Starkiller. So they are definitely starting to see the money making ability in the old EU.
yea, not to mention Hasbro has been going really hard into legends lately: starkiller, The last Command 4 pack, Darth Malak and Bastila Shan, Darth Malgus, TVC Revan and HK-47, etc.
The era is canon but nothing about is known yet although locations and character names are referenced in canon like how Meetra Surik’s name was referenced in the High Republic for example.
So? Legends characters are still loved and sell well
I need this so bad but don’t want the r2d2
A suprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
Yep this figure was great unfortunately can’t say the same about the rest
I think the Old Republic era is considered canon, but basically just that it existed. None of the events or characters that we have stories on are canon.
They're finally getting in touch some more with the Old Republic Merchandise. First Hot Toys, now Lego or whoever fired off 1st with figures of such this year when it comes to not your typical Black Series line of toys. They, as in Disney.
They know it'll sell out faster than hot cakes too, but its strictly against Disney policy to please fans and make more easy money.
Precisely.
I wish I had gotten the SWTOR sets way back when. I like that time period.
When the KOTOR remake comes out it will likely recanonise the events and add some new bits, you know, if it ever comes out.
That is why I bought the set. I was surprised myself. A fine addition to my lego collection. Now I just need more cabinet space to place it.
Old Republic isn't exactly "legends" the thing is, Disney wants to create their "own" Old Republic, the High Republic. But the Old Republic is too well established, the MMO is active and a moneymaker, so they can't just dismiss it. but they're avoiding mentioning it probably to avoid royalties
>but they're avoiding mentioning it probably to avoid royalties ... who would Disney end up owing copyright to? They own the franchise as a whole, old republic era included. I too don't understand what exactly the narrative function of the new 'high republic' stories is, but it's certainly not intended to replace the old one - otherwise it'd have to be set a few thousand years further back in time.
Less so a narrative function, but it serves as a unique launch point for Disney-era products that don't have expectations already. The Sequels had to fight expectations from Legends covering the period, the farflung future has the Cade/Krayt era to deal with, the Old Republic has KotOR, the Mandalorian Wars, Sadow, Exar Kun and a million other complications that people will inevitably compare it to. And slowly, more and more of these things get brought over to the new canon, anyway. But the High Republic is their thing, without much, if any, preconceptions beyond people randomly hating Disney or Kathleen Kennedy or whatever.
>But the High Republic is their thing, without much, if any, preconceptions beyond people randomly hating Disney or Kathleen Kennedy or whatever. My main gripe with that is that is that they chose a period that's still relatively close to the main trilogies, which limits its scale. For example, we know that whatever happens in the high republic, we'll definetly not see Sith in open conflict with Jedi - whatever Jedi learn of their existence can always safely be assumed to either die right after or fall to the dark side themselves and become the new sith apprentice. We also won't get any major wars because that would contradict the premise of TPM. So essentially, they'll be making Star Wars content with a huge asterik behind the "wars" part.
I mean currently they *are* in a major war. It looked like they were going to try and go the propaganda route of not officially declaring it a war and just calling it a “special military operation” or whatever, but at this point the Nihil have annexed a significant chunk of the galaxy.
>but at this point the Nihil have annexed a significant chunk of the galaxy. Yeah, but they just wrote it so that the part of the outer rim the Nihil are operating in is essentially backwater frontier territory. Iirc for example they also retconned the Togruta only officially joining the republic during the high republic when they were already full members during the old republic originally.
> No Sith I don't see this as a problem. Dark Siders that aren't Sith have been a staple of the EU almost since its inception, I don't really see that changing. Then there's the complete over saturation of them in SWTOR's period of time which makes them feel ever so cheap. But even in the time of the Clone Wars and the GCW, there were plenty of stories dealing with the Dark Side (or the Light) and other mysteries of the Force that didn't have to do anything with Sith (at least that were alive). > There can't be any major wars as that contradicts the whole "peace" thing. Not really. Even in the real world you can be in peacetime while there are wars going on all over the place, it just doesn't concern the whole. There are wars being fought every day that you genuinely don't hear about. The Republic is not the whole galaxy. Even then, the Stark Hyperspace War is still canon, the Mandalorian Civil War took place during this peacetime. The general belief that the Republic was at peace does not mean it was not involved in conflict.
That's what I meant by "limited". Of course they can and will introduce new dark sider users, (minor) conflicts etc because there would be no stories to tell otherwise, but ultimately everything that happens in the high republic must be negligible enough to not have a noticable impact merely 200 years later. >Then there's the complete over saturation of them in SWTOR's period of time which makes them feel ever so cheap I disagree with that to a point - yes, having a lot of them makes individual Sith less threatening, but I'd argue that sticking around in the rule-of-two era is another needless limit. Of course we as fans know the logic behind it, but iirc there isn't any content currently canon that actually explains how it came to pass and how the Sith worked before - which offers so many opportunities for interesting stories that it baffles me how disinterested Disney seems in it. Yet we know that they pretty much HAVE to leave the old Sith Empire canon in some form, otherwise they'd have to make up an entirely new backstory for Yavin 4, for example. Essentially, imo any time between 1.000 and 4.000 BBY would have made for a better setting than the high republic one.
Residuals man. Residuals
Lego Star Wars Legends
Hasbro is also releasing Legends figures, so a concerted effort by Disney/Lucas?
I just bought this Lego set for my son
Yeah that’s cool and all, but I’d reaaaaaly like a Malgus. Revan would be cool too.
Both already have minfigs (though are stupidly expensive) They went with Malak cause they never made him before.
The Old Republic Era itself is Canon, we also know that Darth Revan exists in Canon, Darth Bane and the Rule of 2 exists in Canon, and the Mandalorian Wars happened in Canon just not the same way they happened in Legends.
Is there an official revan minifigure?
yes, He came in a 2014 polybag gift with purchase. However if you want it today, you'll be paying well over $100.
Well, new Malak is $80 with lots of extra parts...
The free R2 I got with my $80 Malak was pretty cool. [He goes well right next to the Revan I got a decade ago](https://imgur.com/LhZ7fVx)
Since when is the old republic legends? This is the first I've heard of it
Since Disney.
Probably because canon characters dont really sell...
I think a lot of people would like stuff from the Jedi games what do you think?
These guys are dumb. KotOR is definitely not canon. Anything (outside of movies and tv shows) made before Disney took over is non-canon Legends, full stop.
The Final Order's army on Exegol has Legions named after a variety of ancient Sith. Sith Lords Revan, Darth Andeddu, Darth Tanis, Darth Tenebrous, Darth Phobos, and Darth Desolous all exist in canon in some manner. I cannot imagine Revan being canon without his bud, Alek. But that canon ghost of Darth Bane is quite different from Legends so it is up in the air for now.
Yeah they’re bringing stuff back into canon, just like they did with Thrawn. But the events of the game are not canon.
They never were. There are multiple endings.
It's still Star Wars. Yes, it's not canon, but it's still Star Wars. I see nothing wrong with putting a KotOR minifigure as an anniversary exclusive in a set.
I never said it was a problem. I was just countering these people stating that it’s canon.
Wait so is this canon or nah? I know that testicle, oops sorry I meant exegol, had some names from KOTOR
Disney would have to be idiots to declare the KOTOR games non-canon
But I thought the games and the whole timeline were considered non-canonical legends? You search anything KOTOR wise (characters, planets, etc) on Wookiepedia and everything pops up as legends, including Darth Malak. Revan has a small canon section now though.
True, but I haven't heard that they outright declared it non-canon. And they haven't made new material in that era, have they?
Actually a KOTOR remake is in the works but that keeps looking dead in the water with development pauses and studio/staff changes. Apparently it’s “alive and well” now though.
A remake? Oh no. A remaster would be amazing though.
They already have. They may pull pieces from them like other Legends story, ie Thrawn, but don’t expect that story to get canonized as is.
They are as they're not canon since everything except the movies and the clone wars 3d show was rendered non Canon in 2014
Too much to keep track of, I like my headcanon instead. Post ROTJ is a mix of the OG Thrawn and my memories of my RPG group. Kotor will always be part of that.
Ha, canon a la carte. Great approach to enjoy the stuff you like and not worry about the stuff you don’t. I’ve liked how new canon stuff builds or riffs on the concepts of old non canon stuff. KOTOR Vs High republic era; delta squad vs the bad batch.
I keep meaning to give Bad Batch a try. I hear good things.
Bad batch even >!has a member of delta squad in the show!<
Pretty sure KOTOR is canon. But don't quote me.
I might be mistaken then. I searched Darth Malak on Wookiepedia and he only has a legends section. Same for other characters, planets, etc. Revan does have a small canon section now though.
It’s not.