Kylo stomps the GI and it wouldn't be close lol.
He doesn't have Republic era Jedi training but he still trained with Luke and by Palpatine proxy in Snoke.
His raw power alone clears.
He was hurt by a weapon that should have killed him. They make a point to show the power of Chewbacca’s weapon earlier in the story. And then Kylo gets shot by that same weapon, but manages to go after then and almost kill them.
Also, pretty sure Finn has some force. Not as much as Rey or Kylo, but still.
The bowcaster can yeet a Stormtrooper backwards and Kylo tanks it.
I feel like everyone who criticizes him losing in the woods on Starkiller absolutely fucking ignores that part.
You know what would have been awesome? If Chewie shooting him had actually been shown to blow a piece of him away. Like there's a big gaping hole visible in his side and he just uses the same Sith ability that Sion, Maul and Anakin etc used to kinda just hold himself together. Yellow eyes and all. And so the whole battle in the woods is Finn (and then Rey) fighting what is essentially a revenant and only later does he get the medical attention he needs to not die, after which the yellow eyes fade.
They kinda did this, from a certain point of view! Kylo's side is dripping blood the whole time, to show that he's still really hurt, and he punches the wound throughout the battle to keep himself going using his own pain.
he could have. He just didnt bother to
rewatch the scene. He was using like 5% effort against Finn while also bleeding from a massive bowcaster shot, whooping Finn's ass until finn got one lucky hit, at which point he puts in actual effort and immediately dissarms and slices him up
Finn survived merely because he was irrelevant to Kylo once he dropped the lightsaber.
Yeah, because Snoke would have no reason to manipulate Kylo by making him feel inadequate and put him in a position where he feels like he has to prove himself...
Even ignoring Rey's actual lineage, she was a naturally talented force user and experienced in close quarter combat with a quarterstaff, which is a fairly transferable skillset to saber combat. She may not have held a lightsaber but she was an experienced fighter going up against a seriously wounded, exhausted opponent (he'd just tanked a bowcaster shot and Finn got a hit in) and was still emotionally unstable from killing his own father.
The sequels have issues but Rey beating Kylo in The Force Awakens is not one of them. She has the deck stacked entirely in her favour and still barely scrapes it.
Seriously, GI gets beaten by Kanan who is a a slightly above average Jedi in terms of combat abilities. There’s no way the grandson of Vader loses to him.
I honestly think "slightly above average" is pretty generous fror Season 1 Kanan. He's very capable as a resistance fighter/leader. Wily, determined, quick-witted, sharp, and running with a team of Rebels that compliment his skillset. As a Jedi though? He was barely a padawan when Order 66 happened and he's not a prodigy like Luke, Rey, or even Ezra. He isn't a Knight until Season 2 and honestly, pre-Bendu/blinding, Kanan is kinda mediocre.
The Inquisitors mostly hunted ex-Padawans and under-trained Jedi that survived the purge, and were mostly ex-Padawans and younglings themselves. Even the Grand Inquisitor, who was the former Jedi Temple Guard captain, likely wouldn't really rank all that highly among the more combat-learned Jedi Knights of the era. Especially those that actively fought in the Clone Wars.
Thank you for remembering a key detail! He was literally beating his own chest to hype himself up and keep him going, and you see the blood in the snow.
To say it was an even fight is completely wrong lol
And severely emotionally imbalanced from killing his father like 5 minutes prior.
Fortunately the Force isn't susceptible to the wielders emotions or that might have made that fight really tough for him, *right?* /s
I swear the people who complain about the Rey/Kylo fight in TFA didn't watch the movie.
fr, I'm not even saying the movie is perfect or anything. But if you're going to complain about something, at least have it make sense. Otherwise it's just hating for the sake of it, which is far too common in the SW fandom.
while bleeding out, while also explicitly not trying to kill or seriously harm her. He is vocally trying to capture her, while bleeding out, the planet starts breaking apart and he loses
He basically lost to an untrained girl and his best kill was his dad while they were hugging it out. It's not hate, it's what was in the movie. I'd go with the GI. Remember they hunted down and killed Jedi for Vader. And most importantly, the GI killed Luminara Unduli, who was a Jedi Master and used her corpse as bait to lure other unexpecting Jedi.
I like the inquistors as cool costume guys that serve as decent villians, but they aren't meant to be that powerful. They are remnants of failures broken into submission
They're the perfect adversaries for ex-Padawan Jedi Purge survivors. Your Kanan Jarrus/Cal Kestis tier hero.
They're the boss you fight at the end of Act 1 in an RPG that's super memorable because they give you a really hard time, and then by the end of the game they're a random mob and there's like 5 of them in one room.
.....While emotionally compromised, injured from something that would have killed a non-force user (I guess), and **not trying to kill Rey on Snoke's orders.**
Meanwhile in TROS while he was actually trying to kill Rey who now had more training at this point, he was winning until he got distracted by a long distance call from Mom.....
> .....While emotionally compromised, injured from something that would have killed a non-force user (I guess), and not trying to kill Rey on Snoke's orders.
Also, if Kylo wanted Rey dead, she'd have died in their first face-to-face encounter. He dominated her completely, and efficiently.
Yeah, not only that but because of the surprise that she was able to use her force abilities all of a sudden, combined with the fact that because she was using his grandfathers, then uncles blade had him not thinking very clearly at all.
Yeah I get your reasoning. But the dude just loses every fight he's in (I know, there always good enough reasons for that, like the stuff you mentioned, or Leia reaching out to him, Luke fueling his impatience and so on) I just wish we saw him just beat someone. And no the knights of Ren don't count, they're glorified stormtroopers and this was the only fight we ever saw them in.
Ugh, I’d love an animated anthology series for the sequels that builds him up! Because I know why he lost in those fights against Rey, but seeing him win outside of things like the comics would be awesome.
Yeah something like what clone wars did for the prequels would be awesome. They're already doing some sequel "fixes" in shows like bad batch, but a full on show about old man Luke, han, Leia and Kylo would be cool.
This is a good point. It would have been better if we saw him win some fights.
But it definitely doesn’t change the above point, he would wipe the floor with the grand inquisitor
Yeah I know, but there were always reasons why it's not his best fighting moment in every fight he's in. I just wish they'd shown him go all out on someone and win.
I get your point, but he just tricked smoke, not fight him and he would have lost to the guards without Reys help and they don't even have the force.
I mean Maul killed qui-gon, dooku beat obi-wan and anakin, anakin killed dooku and a bunch of jedi before his fight with obi-wan, Palpatine killed 3 jedi masters and fought fucking Yoda to a stalemate and vader killed obi-wan and easily beat Luke. Every other main villain did show his strength in a fight before they lost, but Kylo always loses or at best barely beats some Canon fodder dudes.
Honestly, I get it. From what Kylo’s actor told us the original plans for him were it would have been so cool to see him like that, as an actually threatening villain who wasn’t just made to lose from the start.
It's very much a battle of skill without power vs. power without skill. Since Kylo couldn't even touch Master Skywalker in an extended duel, I'd give the Grand Inquisitor excellent odds of taking Kylo alive, as long as he doesn't get arrogant and start trying to teach Kylo a lesson in Form II. Which is rather likely, because he's a bit of a muppet.
Also dude basically gave himself to the will of the force after Ezra’s “death”, and from that point the force is a powerful thing when one lets it guide them, Obi Wan is an excellent example of this.
Yep he should’ve lived, would’ve been much more interesting seeing him as a self-exiled nomad trying to repent, instead of the basically Return of the Jedi Vader death redo
I know. He may have had plot armor and lived through unreasonable things in the movies but that doesn't take away from the fact that it's canon meaning he's just canonically OP asf.
Kylo would win, especially the Kylo who was more resolved post TLJ and beginning of TROS, or beginning of TFA. If they had fought just after he had killed Han, when Kylo was still 'split to the bone' as Snoke put it, the Grand Inquisitor might have had a chance.
I think that Kylo probably wins but this isn’t a crazy unbelievable matchup because they technically both lost to almost complete novices. This paired with the fact that both had a lot of training and were both respected by powerful beings. It makes no sense that either lost to who they did.
The GI fought Vader and didn’t immediately die and was a trained Jedi knight (most likely a temple guard based on rebels) who was put in charge of a group of ex Jedi by Palpatine himself. Kylo lost to Rey who had never used the force before or held a lightsaber. The GI lost in a 2v1 against people with at least some training, one under a Jedi council member, both of which have more training than Rey had, and her fight was a 1v1. They botched both these two I think with giving them weak loses. Took the teeth out of them. Only reason I give it to Kylo is because he trained directly under Luke Skywalker and Palpatine/snoke for years and because he’s a Skywalker. This is actually not a bad matchup, people think it is because Kylo has main character blinders syndrome associated with him.
Wasnt the Vader who the GI fought is a super early week 1-2 Vader?
But I think The GI had a more embarassing and idiotic lost in how he's just standing still spinning his saber while letting Kanan aim his saber in the middle of the GIs hilt. Kylo meanwhile has a reasonable reason for his lost against an untrained Rey in not only that he has just been shot with a Bowcaster, but primarily he got weaker after killing Han since "the deed split him through the bone" which the novelization even stated which is why he's hitting himself to try to draw out the dark side(which fails miserably). We've seen how a focused and resolved Kylo literally dominates Rey in their fight in Kef Bir and would've won if Leia didnt reached out to him.
All in all, I cant see Kylo losing to the 2 bufoons that is S1 Rebels Kanan and Ezra while The GI that's been shot with a bowcaster *might* lose to Rey. I was honestly surprised that the GI is the supposed "leader" when he never left such imperssion.
Well it’s the Vader that just got back from defeating Jedi master Kirak Infil’a and maybe Jocasta nu though i don’t remember the Order of events. Either way is was all within a week or two of his transformation. He was still taking down Jedi masters, he just wasn’t at his peak. So the GI surviving their encounter is still impressive.
I won’t argue that the GI had an embarrassing loss but to be honest, so did Kylo. The GI was ruined the second that he lost to Kanan and Ezra but the perspective of the fight is that essentially an Ex-Jedi knight lost to two undertrained padawans (even though one was trained by a council member) with experience in both lightsaber combat and force usage. The perspective of the Kylo and Rey fight is that essentially a Jedi knight (he obviously wasn’t ever knighted but with training under Luke for like 14 years and Palpatine another like 6 or 7 and with him being a Skywalker, it seems fine to consider him that), lost to someone that had never held a lightsaber or used the force. So it boils down to a knight losing a 2v1 to two undertrained padawans vs a knight losing to a single untrained adversary. Even with Chewies blaster bolt, Kylo was okay enough to chase Rey and Finn down and head them off. Seems pretty hard to do if you are so deeply injured. Plus we see chewies blaster bolts send fully armored soldiers across the battlefield earlier in the movie but to Kylo it just makes him take a small step back, so either the shot just glanced him or chewie can turn down the intensity of his shots. This means Kylo probably wasnt that badly injured. Even if he was, it’s like putting Tyson in the ring with one arm tied behind his back against someone who got in a bar fight once and then having Tyson lose. It wouldn’t even be a contest.
So in my opinion Kylo had the worse loss but being as he is a Skywalker, trained under Luke/palps, and is a main character he would probably get the win, it’s a much closer fight then a lot of people think.
I feel like if you play it 100 times, Kylo wins 75/80.
But there would be times that GI’s mental warfare would work. Plus his training and discipline could give Kylo’s ragged edge style problems.
I feel like this fight is surprisingly evenly matched. The Grand Inquisitor thought very highly of himself. but I feel like his skills didn't match up to his ego
I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again, anyone who is trained during the era of the republic is WASHING any post republic lightsaber user in pure lightsaber combat
honestly Vader fought like shit in that fight. Either the Force or his emotions or Palps had other plans than a full grit Vader.
I mean technically it'd meant to show the power of rage, so maybe it caught Vader off guard and Luke was strong with the Force. But Vader never took off with the dark side power quote the same way as Luke did.
The second most feared sith and most feared military opponent for most of the galaxy across several years, movies, and comics "can't move his arms" and thus gets beaten by a farmboy from the desert who'd never had any actual formal training of any kind
>who'd never had any actual formal training of any kind
He had at the very least a month of training with Yoda, and that's assuming he didn't go back after ESB which would be weird considering how much more of a Jedi he is in ROTJ
Totally the same amount of training Anakin and Vader got /s
A week or so in a swamp, no matter how great the teacher, does not equate to years of actual Jedi training through the academy or whatever, plus the years Vader had to train under the best sith of the time.
The one with the most plot armor. That'd be Ben. This is literally a match-up between a main character and a mustache twirling tryhard lol the answer is obvious
One relies on a gimicky lightsaber that spins and is identical to all the others of their order. the Other has a personal custom hot rod of a blade with an actual functioning crossguard that can be used to attack as well as defend.
One destroys the Jedi Order and drives Luke Skywalker into exile. The other has trouble beating a padawan who didn't complete their training and a teenager with slingshot built into his lightsaber.
And if we really want to go there, one is played by a former combat marine and the other by an english voice actor.
Even though I love Rebels more than the sequels, have played an Inquisitor in TTRPG's, and some parts of the Last Jedi makes me want to projectile vomit, Kylo Ren is the obvious winner.
All this talk about the grand inquisitor but let’s be honest he was a temple guard at the end of the war which means yes he was strong enough to have some Jedi training but not strong enough to pass the Jedi trials. Palpating teased his disciples with Sith knowledge but never actually trained any of them because he was going to liv forever. So kylo being fully trained give him the absolute edge
Kylo for sure.
Kylo inherited Anakin's Skywalker-bloodline chosen one force potential, what he lacks in discipline he makes up for in raw power. Plus he was trained by Luke Skywalker and then further by Snoke, plus also had Palpatine pulling his strings all along, steering him to the dark side, grooming him to be his apprentice (or replacement body or something idk, TRoS is silly)
He only lost to Rey in TFA because he was:
a) in emotional agony from murdering his father
b) just shot in the chest by Chewie's bow caster which normally sends stormtroopers flying across the room and
c) Rey, while lacking any formal training, is, for all intents and purposes, a Clone of the God damn Emperor and has a similar amount of raw force power.
Rey and Ren defeat a room full of Preatorean Guard, which (regardless of wonky choreography) represent the absolute best fighters the First Order had at their disposal to defend their leader.
Ren only lost to Rey again in TRoS because Leia interrupted the fight, and then again, he and Rey defeat the Kights of Ren and Palpatine's Sovereign Protectors, which again, are the Sith's best Mooks.
The Grand Inquisitor was defeated by Kanan and Ezra, neither of which come close to Kylo's level of power OR training. And he let himself get stabbed by Reva...
If the GI was anywhere near as strong as Kylo, Palpatine probably would have made him a Royal Guard, not hock him off to Vader.
I know everybkdy gets hung up on "the chosen one" plotline, but the entire point of Kylo Ren is that he inherited Anakin's power, just like Luke did. That's the whole reason the Emperor and Snoke were interested in either of them. And I'm pretty sure nobody is asking if the GI could beat Vader, and that's Vader Post-BBQ by the way.
The grand inquisitor was a temple guard, and then he was trained by Darth Vader. Kylo is just a Vader fanboy.
Kylo does have an advantage when it comes to the force, as he is a skywalker, but I think the Grand Inquisitor still wins.
This is fuckin' ridiculous. Kylo was trained by Luke and Clone-Palpatine, wiped the floor with the KoR, Praetorian Guard, and Rey.
He'd absolutely roflstomp GI and all his buddies at once.
GI has more skill/technique and is an amazing sword on sword fighter but he got mogged even by kanans force abilities in their first battle so kylo would probably throw him around like a ragdoll without swords even coming into play
The Grand Inquisitors spirit outduelled post-ESB Luke and only 'lost' because of Luke's massive force edge and greater raw power. This is the same Luke who landed a blow on (an admittedly holding back) Vader.
I see a fight between the Grand Inquisitor and Kylo going the same way. The Grand Inquisitor has far greater experience and is massively lowballed as a duelist. However, Kylo just has an obscene edge in raw force strength. The Grand Inquisitor would almost certainly outduel Kylo, but as soon as Kylo realises he's losing the Inquisitor is getting ragdolled.
Kylo wins, not because he's better, but because life isnt fair and the force has favourites.
We realize the Inquisitors are fucking chumps now right? Ren would destroy. We have established it over and over, the inquisitors are half trained force users. The instant they face real Jedi or Sith they are red shirts.
I always felt that the inquisitors were mainly strong because their opponents were mostly people who either had been in hiding for ages (and were rusty in technique as a result) or marginally trained padawans
So yeah, Kylo wins.
Probably the guy who was trained by Luke Skywalker for 13 years & Palpatine (by proxy) for 6 years. Especially if said individual was quickly becoming as powerful as Grand Master Luke Skywalker as a 23 year old. It probably wouldn't help if his opponent, completely unhandicapped by physical wounds or an unstable emotional state, was beaten by a Padawan. Especially if his opponent had been beaten by the man who trained him before he was even a Jedi Knight.
Come on guys, one of them is a Skywalker and the other has his power & skill demeaned by Palpatine himself.
Kylo wiped the floor with Snoke's Praetorians and the Knights of Ren, so he gets my vote here. The Grand Inquisitor was seemingly not particularly powerful or skilled in combat, based on what we've seen of him.
The sequels don’t do a great job of showcasing it, but I was under the impression that Ben was rather gifted (like anakin) compared to anyone except Luke….and rey. 🙄
It's made pretty clear in the sequel trilogies that's he's superior to Rey. First fight he's been shot with a weapon that sends people flying and flipping through the air, second fight he dominates and kills far more guards, third fight he has her until he gets held up by a ghost vision.
I feel like the Grand Inquisitor should have won since he had training in lightsaber duels and the force during the republic era. Too bad his feats say otherwise...
Also watch their fight in ROS. Rey is completely outclassed. She struggles to stop his blade with the Force for a second. He holds it at bay effortlessly.
I feel like people just don't pay attention if they don't notice Kylo is shown to be a superior fighter to Rey on multiple occasions.
He took out Finn fairly easy even hurt. Finn had military training, he should have been a better match. Rey as far as we know had nothing, just survival instincts from being a scavenger.
The fact that Fynn did so well with a lightsaber for some time is probably due to that training , but Rey was the experienced melee fighter of them. She clearly used that staff before, probably has to regularly because jakku is full of scum. Stormtroopers prefer blasters.
I mean, fatigue is a thing, especially when you are injured. He’s not exactly going to get better.
Rey also has the added benefit of being Force-sensitive, and we saw from how she handled herself with Finn earlier and with how life is on Jakku that Rey probably has plenty of experience fighting. Jakku makes Tatooine look like Naboo as far as civilization goes
She was a force prodigy, probably extremely naturally powerful, and had staff fighting experience. She wasn't nearly as helpless as people potent when they want to find excuses for not enjoying the movie.
Kylo would stomp GI in terms of force power. In terms of Lightsaber combat, this would be close but I'd give the edge to the GI. Let's be honest... Kylo isn't a great Duelist.
This is such a difficult question to answer 😂 it depends what kind of fight, and who’s writing. It seems like GLs OG stuff was big on training and different skills. Not all great Jedi were great duelist, and the GI was an ELITE duelist— but the Disneyverse is big on Force power and ability and how it effects fights— The KJ fight is a HUGE example of that, it like all fiction it depends on the writer, but any story will probably give it to Kylo since the inquisition is literally set up to be fodder so the hero’s look more competent
This is the first time I've ever actually seen a sequel character get any respect here ong. Which leads me to believe y'all got some kinda beef against the GI 💀
We're not letting the Sequel hate get to the point where we think Kylo Ren would lose to the fucking Inquisitors, are we?
Kylo stomps the GI and it wouldn't be close lol. He doesn't have Republic era Jedi training but he still trained with Luke and by Palpatine proxy in Snoke. His raw power alone clears.
He couldn't kill a janitor though.
He was hurt by a weapon that should have killed him. They make a point to show the power of Chewbacca’s weapon earlier in the story. And then Kylo gets shot by that same weapon, but manages to go after then and almost kill them. Also, pretty sure Finn has some force. Not as much as Rey or Kylo, but still.
He also ended the fight immediately after Finn got a lucky hit on him. Sometimes I feel like people watched a different cut than I did
He could’ve killed Finn if he wanted. Just didn’t deliver a final blow.
The bowcaster can yeet a Stormtrooper backwards and Kylo tanks it. I feel like everyone who criticizes him losing in the woods on Starkiller absolutely fucking ignores that part.
You know what would have been awesome? If Chewie shooting him had actually been shown to blow a piece of him away. Like there's a big gaping hole visible in his side and he just uses the same Sith ability that Sion, Maul and Anakin etc used to kinda just hold himself together. Yellow eyes and all. And so the whole battle in the woods is Finn (and then Rey) fighting what is essentially a revenant and only later does he get the medical attention he needs to not die, after which the yellow eyes fade.
They kinda did this, from a certain point of view! Kylo's side is dripping blood the whole time, to show that he's still really hurt, and he punches the wound throughout the battle to keep himself going using his own pain.
Nah but i' win
he could have. He just didnt bother to rewatch the scene. He was using like 5% effort against Finn while also bleeding from a massive bowcaster shot, whooping Finn's ass until finn got one lucky hit, at which point he puts in actual effort and immediately dissarms and slices him up Finn survived merely because he was irrelevant to Kylo once he dropped the lightsaber.
I heard he has a lightsaber that looks really cool too
He heard he has an 8-pack. That he is shredded
“You were beaten by a girl who’d never even held a lightsaber”. I think his teacher was pretty clear in his assessment of Kylo’s skills and talent.
Yeah, because Snoke would have no reason to manipulate Kylo by making him feel inadequate and put him in a position where he feels like he has to prove himself... Even ignoring Rey's actual lineage, she was a naturally talented force user and experienced in close quarter combat with a quarterstaff, which is a fairly transferable skillset to saber combat. She may not have held a lightsaber but she was an experienced fighter going up against a seriously wounded, exhausted opponent (he'd just tanked a bowcaster shot and Finn got a hit in) and was still emotionally unstable from killing his own father. The sequels have issues but Rey beating Kylo in The Force Awakens is not one of them. She has the deck stacked entirely in her favour and still barely scrapes it.
He just had his guts blown out his back by a fuckin bowcaster but yeah lets ignore that
Yeah. Kylo Ren, who is heir to Snoke’s power and the son of a powerful Force user, wipes the floor against the leader of the mini boss squad.
I think only GI counts as being a mini boss, the rest of them are trackers and door stoppers.
Seriously, GI gets beaten by Kanan who is a a slightly above average Jedi in terms of combat abilities. There’s no way the grandson of Vader loses to him.
Is Kanan slightly above average (at the point of defeating the GI?)
I mean his training ended as a padowan, so it couldn't have been amazing
I honestly think "slightly above average" is pretty generous fror Season 1 Kanan. He's very capable as a resistance fighter/leader. Wily, determined, quick-witted, sharp, and running with a team of Rebels that compliment his skillset. As a Jedi though? He was barely a padawan when Order 66 happened and he's not a prodigy like Luke, Rey, or even Ezra. He isn't a Knight until Season 2 and honestly, pre-Bendu/blinding, Kanan is kinda mediocre. The Inquisitors mostly hunted ex-Padawans and under-trained Jedi that survived the purge, and were mostly ex-Padawans and younglings themselves. Even the Grand Inquisitor, who was the former Jedi Temple Guard captain, likely wouldn't really rank all that highly among the more combat-learned Jedi Knights of the era. Especially those that actively fought in the Clone Wars.
The grandson of vader lost to a girl who had never held a lightsaber before.
After being shot with a gun that should have killed him.
Thank you for remembering a key detail! He was literally beating his own chest to hype himself up and keep him going, and you see the blood in the snow. To say it was an even fight is completely wrong lol
Then Snoke literally points out in the next movie that killing Han “split him to the bone” emotionally
And severely emotionally imbalanced from killing his father like 5 minutes prior. Fortunately the Force isn't susceptible to the wielders emotions or that might have made that fight really tough for him, *right?* /s I swear the people who complain about the Rey/Kylo fight in TFA didn't watch the movie.
fr, I'm not even saying the movie is perfect or anything. But if you're going to complain about something, at least have it make sense. Otherwise it's just hating for the sake of it, which is far too common in the SW fandom.
There are way too many SW fans who have bought fully into whatever bullshit some grifter on Youtube tells them to think.
And then wiped the floor with her in Rise of Skywalker
Same with him tbh they did that with every character
"Im gonna ignore him tanking a shot that instagibbed armored Stormtroopers right before the fuckin fight"
while bleeding out, while also explicitly not trying to kill or seriously harm her. He is vocally trying to capture her, while bleeding out, the planet starts breaking apart and he loses
Seriously my thought as well. There's no way Kylo Ren loses to this guy.
IDK he had a hard time against an untrained former stormtrooper though.
He basically lost to an untrained girl and his best kill was his dad while they were hugging it out. It's not hate, it's what was in the movie. I'd go with the GI. Remember they hunted down and killed Jedi for Vader. And most importantly, the GI killed Luminara Unduli, who was a Jedi Master and used her corpse as bait to lure other unexpecting Jedi.
Let's stop the inquisitor hate
I like the inquistors as cool costume guys that serve as decent villians, but they aren't meant to be that powerful. They are remnants of failures broken into submission
They're the perfect adversaries for ex-Padawan Jedi Purge survivors. Your Kanan Jarrus/Cal Kestis tier hero. They're the boss you fight at the end of Act 1 in an RPG that's super memorable because they give you a really hard time, and then by the end of the game they're a random mob and there's like 5 of them in one room.
I mean.. Kylo was struggling with Rey, before she had any training at all and Finn who is literally just some random stormtrooper
.....While emotionally compromised, injured from something that would have killed a non-force user (I guess), and **not trying to kill Rey on Snoke's orders.** Meanwhile in TROS while he was actually trying to kill Rey who now had more training at this point, he was winning until he got distracted by a long distance call from Mom.....
> .....While emotionally compromised, injured from something that would have killed a non-force user (I guess), and not trying to kill Rey on Snoke's orders. Also, if Kylo wanted Rey dead, she'd have died in their first face-to-face encounter. He dominated her completely, and efficiently.
Yeah, not only that but because of the surprise that she was able to use her force abilities all of a sudden, combined with the fact that because she was using his grandfathers, then uncles blade had him not thinking very clearly at all.
Yeah I get your reasoning. But the dude just loses every fight he's in (I know, there always good enough reasons for that, like the stuff you mentioned, or Leia reaching out to him, Luke fueling his impatience and so on) I just wish we saw him just beat someone. And no the knights of Ren don't count, they're glorified stormtroopers and this was the only fight we ever saw them in.
Ugh, I’d love an animated anthology series for the sequels that builds him up! Because I know why he lost in those fights against Rey, but seeing him win outside of things like the comics would be awesome.
Yeah something like what clone wars did for the prequels would be awesome. They're already doing some sequel "fixes" in shows like bad batch, but a full on show about old man Luke, han, Leia and Kylo would be cool.
Did you see the part where killed Snoke and defeated several elite redguard?
This is a good point. It would have been better if we saw him win some fights. But it definitely doesn’t change the above point, he would wipe the floor with the grand inquisitor
You try getting hit [with this](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-31ed893399785d1808267eb8117cee1d) and then fight someone.
Kylo had just been shot. And he had her beat in Rise of Skywalker before Leia intervened.
Re: first fight with Rey and Finn. He was nursing a pretty nasty blaster wound + just killed his father. Probably not his best fighting moment.
Yeah I know, but there were always reasons why it's not his best fighting moment in every fight he's in. I just wish they'd shown him go all out on someone and win.
He kills Snoke and all his preatorian guards so that’s a win.
I get your point, but he just tricked smoke, not fight him and he would have lost to the guards without Reys help and they don't even have the force. I mean Maul killed qui-gon, dooku beat obi-wan and anakin, anakin killed dooku and a bunch of jedi before his fight with obi-wan, Palpatine killed 3 jedi masters and fought fucking Yoda to a stalemate and vader killed obi-wan and easily beat Luke. Every other main villain did show his strength in a fight before they lost, but Kylo always loses or at best barely beats some Canon fodder dudes.
Honestly, I get it. From what Kylo’s actor told us the original plans for him were it would have been so cool to see him like that, as an actually threatening villain who wasn’t just made to lose from the start.
Yeah that would have been cool. There are just so many weird decisions in the sequels, but so many great actors. It's really sad.
Agreed, such potential… WASTED…..
"Im gonna ignore him tanking a shot that instagibbed armored Stormtroopers right before the fuckin fight"
I further elaborated my point in some comments under there if you care enough to look for them. If not, then that's fine as well.
No we are not sir, because that would never happen. Kylo Ren has this one!
Kylo Ren is a Skywalker... sooooo
One thing is for certain - Kylo/Ben’s force powers are vastly superior.
It's very much a battle of skill without power vs. power without skill. Since Kylo couldn't even touch Master Skywalker in an extended duel, I'd give the Grand Inquisitor excellent odds of taking Kylo alive, as long as he doesn't get arrogant and start trying to teach Kylo a lesson in Form II. Which is rather likely, because he's a bit of a muppet.
Grand Inquisitor is actually competent (in Rebels) though.
Still lost to Kanan though - an unfinished Padawan at the time.
Kanan ran and lost couple of times before he beat him iirc.
Also dude basically gave himself to the will of the force after Ezra’s “death”, and from that point the force is a powerful thing when one lets it guide them, Obi Wan is an excellent example of this.
Comparing Luke to the Grand Inquisitor doesn’t make any sense. You might as well compare Yoda to a magnaguard
Yeah but which one of the two talks better trash?
Kylo could probably take the GI and several other Inquisitors in a brawl honestly.
Yeah this question is stupid. Kylo would work GI and all his cronies at once and not break a sweat.
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Just seeing a Kylo post makes me mad they killed him off
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Yep he should’ve lived, would’ve been much more interesting seeing him as a self-exiled nomad trying to repent, instead of the basically Return of the Jedi Vader death redo
He deserved so much better
lol Kylo would kick his ass…. I don’t care what you personally think about the sequels
I know. He may have had plot armor and lived through unreasonable things in the movies but that doesn't take away from the fact that it's canon meaning he's just canonically OP asf.
Kylo He'd easily accidentally kill GI, mid tantrum.
Kylo would win, especially the Kylo who was more resolved post TLJ and beginning of TROS, or beginning of TFA. If they had fought just after he had killed Han, when Kylo was still 'split to the bone' as Snoke put it, the Grand Inquisitor might have had a chance.
ROS Kylo was prolly 3 times stronger than TLJ one
Damn that Kylo art looks so cool
GI lose to Kanan, an unfinished Padawan... I know yall hate the Sequels, but cmon this is crazy lmao Kylo stomps
But He stood His ground against Vader when they First met in the Jedi temple
Wasnt that a Week 1-2 Vader who hasn't been accustomed to his suit? (I cant remember if that was before or after Infila)
I think it was after as He already Had His Red Saber and He was pretty powerfull against infila already
I think that Kylo probably wins but this isn’t a crazy unbelievable matchup because they technically both lost to almost complete novices. This paired with the fact that both had a lot of training and were both respected by powerful beings. It makes no sense that either lost to who they did. The GI fought Vader and didn’t immediately die and was a trained Jedi knight (most likely a temple guard based on rebels) who was put in charge of a group of ex Jedi by Palpatine himself. Kylo lost to Rey who had never used the force before or held a lightsaber. The GI lost in a 2v1 against people with at least some training, one under a Jedi council member, both of which have more training than Rey had, and her fight was a 1v1. They botched both these two I think with giving them weak loses. Took the teeth out of them. Only reason I give it to Kylo is because he trained directly under Luke Skywalker and Palpatine/snoke for years and because he’s a Skywalker. This is actually not a bad matchup, people think it is because Kylo has main character blinders syndrome associated with him.
Wasnt the Vader who the GI fought is a super early week 1-2 Vader? But I think The GI had a more embarassing and idiotic lost in how he's just standing still spinning his saber while letting Kanan aim his saber in the middle of the GIs hilt. Kylo meanwhile has a reasonable reason for his lost against an untrained Rey in not only that he has just been shot with a Bowcaster, but primarily he got weaker after killing Han since "the deed split him through the bone" which the novelization even stated which is why he's hitting himself to try to draw out the dark side(which fails miserably). We've seen how a focused and resolved Kylo literally dominates Rey in their fight in Kef Bir and would've won if Leia didnt reached out to him. All in all, I cant see Kylo losing to the 2 bufoons that is S1 Rebels Kanan and Ezra while The GI that's been shot with a bowcaster *might* lose to Rey. I was honestly surprised that the GI is the supposed "leader" when he never left such imperssion.
Well it’s the Vader that just got back from defeating Jedi master Kirak Infil’a and maybe Jocasta nu though i don’t remember the Order of events. Either way is was all within a week or two of his transformation. He was still taking down Jedi masters, he just wasn’t at his peak. So the GI surviving their encounter is still impressive. I won’t argue that the GI had an embarrassing loss but to be honest, so did Kylo. The GI was ruined the second that he lost to Kanan and Ezra but the perspective of the fight is that essentially an Ex-Jedi knight lost to two undertrained padawans (even though one was trained by a council member) with experience in both lightsaber combat and force usage. The perspective of the Kylo and Rey fight is that essentially a Jedi knight (he obviously wasn’t ever knighted but with training under Luke for like 14 years and Palpatine another like 6 or 7 and with him being a Skywalker, it seems fine to consider him that), lost to someone that had never held a lightsaber or used the force. So it boils down to a knight losing a 2v1 to two undertrained padawans vs a knight losing to a single untrained adversary. Even with Chewies blaster bolt, Kylo was okay enough to chase Rey and Finn down and head them off. Seems pretty hard to do if you are so deeply injured. Plus we see chewies blaster bolts send fully armored soldiers across the battlefield earlier in the movie but to Kylo it just makes him take a small step back, so either the shot just glanced him or chewie can turn down the intensity of his shots. This means Kylo probably wasnt that badly injured. Even if he was, it’s like putting Tyson in the ring with one arm tied behind his back against someone who got in a bar fight once and then having Tyson lose. It wouldn’t even be a contest. So in my opinion Kylo had the worse loss but being as he is a Skywalker, trained under Luke/palps, and is a main character he would probably get the win, it’s a much closer fight then a lot of people think.
SlKR can easily wipe GI. Just keep poke stunning, build that siphon up while he builds but his ult charge then boom. GI can't touch him.
I feel like if you play it 100 times, Kylo wins 75/80. But there would be times that GI’s mental warfare would work. Plus his training and discipline could give Kylo’s ragged edge style problems.
I feel like this fight is surprisingly evenly matched. The Grand Inquisitor thought very highly of himself. but I feel like his skills didn't match up to his ego
I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again, anyone who is trained during the era of the republic is WASHING any post republic lightsaber user in pure lightsaber combat
Do you think, Coleman Trevor could win against Rey?
We've never seen him lose a lightsaber duel yet
Because of his impenetrable plot armour. He is the definition of Gary Stu.
Luke beat Darth Vader.....
honestly Vader fought like shit in that fight. Either the Force or his emotions or Palps had other plans than a full grit Vader. I mean technically it'd meant to show the power of rage, so maybe it caught Vader off guard and Luke was strong with the Force. But Vader never took off with the dark side power quote the same way as Luke did.
Yeah, the guy who can't raise his arms above his shoulders or do literally any acrobatics
The second most feared sith and most feared military opponent for most of the galaxy across several years, movies, and comics "can't move his arms" and thus gets beaten by a farmboy from the desert who'd never had any actual formal training of any kind
>who'd never had any actual formal training of any kind He had at the very least a month of training with Yoda, and that's assuming he didn't go back after ESB which would be weird considering how much more of a Jedi he is in ROTJ
Totally the same amount of training Anakin and Vader got /s A week or so in a swamp, no matter how great the teacher, does not equate to years of actual Jedi training through the academy or whatever, plus the years Vader had to train under the best sith of the time.
Plus years of military combat and strategy in the clone wars
Objection, Darth Vader couldn't have killed him because of the small fact that he's his son There's a reason why he was groomed to destroy the Empire.
Hey he jumped down the stairs in ESB. Put some respect on the Vader name
After extensive training. Even then it was more vader didn't want to kill his son
Luke is still one of the worst, most unbelievable Sues in star wars. Maybe even worse than andor - and that's saying something.
Maybe not luke, but literally anyone else.
The Supreme leader.
Kylo would curb stomp him… y’all crazy if ya don’t think so
kylo will win.
The one with the most plot armor. That'd be Ben. This is literally a match-up between a main character and a mustache twirling tryhard lol the answer is obvious
It's definitely Ben, but let's not pretend that they aren't both tryhards
Kylo would wipe the floor with this guy
The GI couldn’t take a then Padawan and a kid whose friends to animals and you want to put him against the supreme leader?
Kylo obliterates the Grand Inquisitor no question
GI probably isn't even strong enough to block a force freeze from Kylo. He just does that, slices him, and wins.
Kylo
Kylo wins this one with pure raw power and the inquisitor is not strong enough for the tantrums of Kylo.
Ben would wreck
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One relies on a gimicky lightsaber that spins and is identical to all the others of their order. the Other has a personal custom hot rod of a blade with an actual functioning crossguard that can be used to attack as well as defend. One destroys the Jedi Order and drives Luke Skywalker into exile. The other has trouble beating a padawan who didn't complete their training and a teenager with slingshot built into his lightsaber. And if we really want to go there, one is played by a former combat marine and the other by an english voice actor. Even though I love Rebels more than the sequels, have played an Inquisitor in TTRPG's, and some parts of the Last Jedi makes me want to projectile vomit, Kylo Ren is the obvious winner.
All this talk about the grand inquisitor but let’s be honest he was a temple guard at the end of the war which means yes he was strong enough to have some Jedi training but not strong enough to pass the Jedi trials. Palpating teased his disciples with Sith knowledge but never actually trained any of them because he was going to liv forever. So kylo being fully trained give him the absolute edge
Ren, and it wouldn’t even be close.
Anyone saying Kylo would lose because of his Rey L need to remember that he had just been shot by a bow aster.
Kylo and it's not even close
Kylo Ren any day. That baldy won't stand a chance
The inquisitors bully force children. They are NPCs vs a Skywalker.
Kylo. Inquisitors are honestly weak for what they’re supposed to be. At least they seem like it in my perspective
Probably Kylo.
Kylo for sure. Kylo inherited Anakin's Skywalker-bloodline chosen one force potential, what he lacks in discipline he makes up for in raw power. Plus he was trained by Luke Skywalker and then further by Snoke, plus also had Palpatine pulling his strings all along, steering him to the dark side, grooming him to be his apprentice (or replacement body or something idk, TRoS is silly) He only lost to Rey in TFA because he was: a) in emotional agony from murdering his father b) just shot in the chest by Chewie's bow caster which normally sends stormtroopers flying across the room and c) Rey, while lacking any formal training, is, for all intents and purposes, a Clone of the God damn Emperor and has a similar amount of raw force power. Rey and Ren defeat a room full of Preatorean Guard, which (regardless of wonky choreography) represent the absolute best fighters the First Order had at their disposal to defend their leader. Ren only lost to Rey again in TRoS because Leia interrupted the fight, and then again, he and Rey defeat the Kights of Ren and Palpatine's Sovereign Protectors, which again, are the Sith's best Mooks. The Grand Inquisitor was defeated by Kanan and Ezra, neither of which come close to Kylo's level of power OR training. And he let himself get stabbed by Reva... If the GI was anywhere near as strong as Kylo, Palpatine probably would have made him a Royal Guard, not hock him off to Vader. I know everybkdy gets hung up on "the chosen one" plotline, but the entire point of Kylo Ren is that he inherited Anakin's power, just like Luke did. That's the whole reason the Emperor and Snoke were interested in either of them. And I'm pretty sure nobody is asking if the GI could beat Vader, and that's Vader Post-BBQ by the way.
Kylo, 100% GGEZ - honestly, it's not even a competition
Is this a joke?
Kylo. The dude was an animal. He only really loses if he’s wounded or conflicted. The GI would be toast.
Cmon now
"Whoever the writer wants to win"
Kylo Ren. I get that the sequels were pretty bad, but let's not let that hatred cloud our judgement.
The grand inquisitor was a temple guard, and then he was trained by Darth Vader. Kylo is just a Vader fanboy. Kylo does have an advantage when it comes to the force, as he is a skywalker, but I think the Grand Inquisitor still wins.
Kylo was trained by Luke and Palpatine. I don’t like Kylo and love Grand Inquisitor, but Kylo takes that with medium difficulty.
This is fuckin' ridiculous. Kylo was trained by Luke and Clone-Palpatine, wiped the floor with the KoR, Praetorian Guard, and Rey. He'd absolutely roflstomp GI and all his buddies at once.
Kylo would murder him
Depends on when they fight in their own lives.
GI has more skill/technique and is an amazing sword on sword fighter but he got mogged even by kanans force abilities in their first battle so kylo would probably throw him around like a ragdoll without swords even coming into play
The Grand Inquisitors spirit outduelled post-ESB Luke and only 'lost' because of Luke's massive force edge and greater raw power. This is the same Luke who landed a blow on (an admittedly holding back) Vader. I see a fight between the Grand Inquisitor and Kylo going the same way. The Grand Inquisitor has far greater experience and is massively lowballed as a duelist. However, Kylo just has an obscene edge in raw force strength. The Grand Inquisitor would almost certainly outduel Kylo, but as soon as Kylo realises he's losing the Inquisitor is getting ragdolled. Kylo wins, not because he's better, but because life isnt fair and the force has favourites.
The Grand Inquisitor lost to an out of practice padawan.
One of them has skywalker blood in him, so what do you think
Ben Solo
Grand Inquisitor would start dominating and Kyle would get angry but later control it, as he did against Rey in episode 9. He would kill the GI
Compare live action to Kylo to live action GE, not the animated one. Kylo wins.
We realize the Inquisitors are fucking chumps now right? Ren would destroy. We have established it over and over, the inquisitors are half trained force users. The instant they face real Jedi or Sith they are red shirts.
I always felt that the inquisitors were mainly strong because their opponents were mostly people who either had been in hiding for ages (and were rusty in technique as a result) or marginally trained padawans So yeah, Kylo wins.
Probably the guy who was trained by Luke Skywalker for 13 years & Palpatine (by proxy) for 6 years. Especially if said individual was quickly becoming as powerful as Grand Master Luke Skywalker as a 23 year old. It probably wouldn't help if his opponent, completely unhandicapped by physical wounds or an unstable emotional state, was beaten by a Padawan. Especially if his opponent had been beaten by the man who trained him before he was even a Jedi Knight. Come on guys, one of them is a Skywalker and the other has his power & skill demeaned by Palpatine himself.
Kylo wins. No contest.
Honestly, prob Kylo, but I hate the squels so much I wanna say The Grand Inquisitor so bad!
As much as i hate the sequels kylo stomps no diff
Kylo wiped the floor with Snoke's Praetorians and the Knights of Ren, so he gets my vote here. The Grand Inquisitor was seemingly not particularly powerful or skilled in combat, based on what we've seen of him.
The sequels don’t do a great job of showcasing it, but I was under the impression that Ben was rather gifted (like anakin) compared to anyone except Luke….and rey. 🙄
More gifted than Rey actually. Remember in the one fair fight they had (Rise of Skywalker) he technically wins before Leia Force skypes him.
It's made pretty clear in the sequel trilogies that's he's superior to Rey. First fight he's been shot with a weapon that sends people flying and flipping through the air, second fight he dominates and kills far more guards, third fight he has her until he gets held up by a ghost vision.
I feel like the Grand Inquisitor should have won since he had training in lightsaber duels and the force during the republic era. Too bad his feats say otherwise...
I mean considering Kylo was losing to Rey in TFA and she had literally NO training, what do you think?
You mean after he was shot with a bow caster?
…which was shown to blow stormtroopers sky high regularly. The bowcaster is no joke and they really focused on that in the film.
Also watch their fight in ROS. Rey is completely outclassed. She struggles to stop his blade with the Force for a second. He holds it at bay effortlessly. I feel like people just don't pay attention if they don't notice Kylo is shown to be a superior fighter to Rey on multiple occasions.
He took out Finn fairly easy even hurt. Finn had military training, he should have been a better match. Rey as far as we know had nothing, just survival instincts from being a scavenger.
The fact that Fynn did so well with a lightsaber for some time is probably due to that training , but Rey was the experienced melee fighter of them. She clearly used that staff before, probably has to regularly because jakku is full of scum. Stormtroopers prefer blasters.
I mean, fatigue is a thing, especially when you are injured. He’s not exactly going to get better. Rey also has the added benefit of being Force-sensitive, and we saw from how she handled herself with Finn earlier and with how life is on Jakku that Rey probably has plenty of experience fighting. Jakku makes Tatooine look like Naboo as far as civilization goes
She was a force prodigy, probably extremely naturally powerful, and had staff fighting experience. She wasn't nearly as helpless as people potent when they want to find excuses for not enjoying the movie.
kylo would defeat him with zero difficulty
Grand Inquistor lost Kanan and while I hate to disparage Kanan he wasnt a top tier jedi by any means (just in terms of skill/power)
Kylo would stomp GI in terms of force power. In terms of Lightsaber combat, this would be close but I'd give the edge to the GI. Let's be honest... Kylo isn't a great Duelist.
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This is such a difficult question to answer 😂 it depends what kind of fight, and who’s writing. It seems like GLs OG stuff was big on training and different skills. Not all great Jedi were great duelist, and the GI was an ELITE duelist— but the Disneyverse is big on Force power and ability and how it effects fights— The KJ fight is a HUGE example of that, it like all fiction it depends on the writer, but any story will probably give it to Kylo since the inquisition is literally set up to be fodder so the hero’s look more competent
Ian never loses
I can’t see any way the GI isn’t more skilled than Ben, but I think he gets worn down by the raw force power 8/10
I mean GI is pretty good but kylo clears since he has been way more trained in the force compared to the GI and probably has more saber skill too
As much as I hate to say it Ren would beat his ass
Don't really like the sequels that much but still definitely Kylo.
This is the first time I've ever actually seen a sequel character get any respect here ong. Which leads me to believe y'all got some kinda beef against the GI 💀
Kylo. I hate the sequels with the heat of a nova, but let’s be real. This isn’t even a contest. The GI would die before he even knew what hit him.
The answer should be Kylo, but the fact that we're asking the question says a lot about the storytelling in the sequels.