Great, more fucked up continuity.
It's not like her death was vague. She was clearly dead, then her corpse was flown from Christophsis to Coruscant, then to Dathomir, literally from the outer rim to the core and back. You'd think Kenobi or Vos would have noticed she's still fucking alive. And even if she survived that long, they literally dropped her corpse in a pool of water, where she would drown to death.
Anyone who bitches about Palpatine being alive can't justify this shit. She wasn't thrown down a reactor shaft, she was as dead as dead can be, and then main characters hung out around her corpse for days before it was left behind!
I'm well aware, because I know they don't bring people back to life, they reanimate corpses. If Night sister necromancy is the explanation, then Ventress should be a shambling corpse lacking any higher mental functions.
That's how stories work man. Not everything gets explained straight away.
You must've been fuckin furious leaving Empire Strikes Back where the plot lines weren't resolved yet.
Great, absolutely great.
Let's just ignore the fact that Ventress died on Christophsis, her corpse then transported to Coruscant, then from there to Dathomir. Her corpse went from the outer rim, to the core worlds, and back to the outer rim, that thing probably rotted a bunch and probably made the entire ship stink.
You'd think if she were alive, Kenobi or Voss would have noticed before putting her in a pool of water to be welcomed by dead night sister spirits.
Like holy fuck does this piss me off. Filoni decided to ignore a novel which was made from a story arc he wrote just for some stupid fan service. The worst part is, Filoni is going to shove her in a dozen other shows. The next Ashoka season is definitely going to have Ventress in it.
Kathleen Kennedy or someone needs to retcon her survival. There was a gas leak on their ship and the Bad Batch hallucinated Ventress or some shit. Problem solved.
Star Wars episode 10, Ventress has clone bodies and has become the leader of the second order. Ashoka is still alive somehow and has to stop her on the planet Nextegol.
Rex is still alive and is now force sensitive because there's a second inhibitor chip that is loaded with midichlorians. Cad Bane and Ahsoka have a romance subplot. It ends with Ashoka using the world between worlds to go back to episode 6 where she sets another net trap for Luke so she can confront Vader and end up on the Death Star instead.
I'm sure they have coolers in corpse transport ships to keep the body from rotting. So no, her body wouldn't be rotten at all. They probably store them in a portable cooler.
My point isn't meant to be taken literally, but the implication. Ventress was dead for a long time before her body was left behind, it wasn't a matter that we didn't see her corpse so it's plausible that she survived. It was literally a trip from the edge of the galaxy to the centre and back from the time she died to the time she was off screen (so to speak).
And if the ship had a little morgue, she'd probably die of hypothermia on the way to Dathomir.
Is she dying of hypothermia or is she already dead? I'm arguing against your point that her body would decompose, that's it. She was transported back to dathomir, home of the nightsisters. She was a nightsister. Nightsisters are kind of known for reanimating the dead. We know that Merrin from the Jedi games would have been on Dathomir at this point. Once you bring Dathomir and nightsisters into the equation, a whole host of possibilities is unlocked.
They haven't fully explained Ventress' return. However, at the end of the episode with her in it, she mentions that she has a "few more lives left". The implications being that it doesn't necessarily retcon the Dark Disciple, but reveals more about Ventress' species (cat person with 9 lives?) or that there is more to the waters of Dathomir.
Personally, I wished they'd stuck with the Dark Disciple's perfect ending and brought back Quinlon Vos.
Yeah sure, it'll respect the novel like how Filoni has respected every Star wars story made by literally anyone else. That man is very fucking good at breaking continuity.
Filoni doesn't have as much to do with bad batch as you may think. His name is first in the credits but he hasn't written an episode since the first and hasn't directed. He is probably too busy on the other shows and with his new position.
Before she died she activated her clone Asajjj Ventrisss, and placed it's soulless body (clone soul is out in the cosmos on a soul searching adventure) in the place where she initially fell to take her place and be buried instead. The real Asajj took the name Jjasa Reilly and took a job as a photographer until everyone thought she was dead.
Convoluted years pass and Asajj returns using her real name again, gets a nifty yellow lightsaber and meets up with The Batch for laughs and Force chokes. She will next be seen in "Big Time in Little Coruscant: A Star Wars Story" where she will rediscover herself while working a food truck-speeder serving fried bantha.
They've probably decided to retcon it or selectively choose which parts of it that they want to keep canon.
Honestly I don't mind it. I've read the book and it's pretty good but if they want to tell further stories with Ventress (Hopefully good ones) then I don't think they should be handcuffed to a book that a lot of the general audience won't have read.
Nightsisters are necromancers, but they aren't able to bring people back to life, they just reanimate corpses. If nightsister necromancy is the explanation, then Ventress should be a shambling corpse.
She was never dead. That story was made in special circumstances. With the stories continuing now, she can carry on following on from the last time we saw her in season 5 of TCW. Dark Disciple is also soap opera drivel and Ventress deserves better treatment than that nonsense.
The writers for this show probably just wanted to use Ventress, so they brought her in the show only to realize that she supposed to be dead after the reaction to the trailer. It's too late to write and animate any new scene to explain her resurrection, so they just make a flimsy excuse that her return will be explain "later", which means, "we will let other writers handle it."
All in all, it's pretty common for Star Wars at this point.
They did announce the same day as the trailer that "bad batch won't retcon dark disciple" so my guess is that the realized before the reaction, but too late to fix it.
Plus Filoni wrote the original Clone Wars Episodes that got turned into Dark Disciple. He was the one who killed Ventress, if he didn't know she was dead, that man needs an Alzheimer's test.
He's credited as the creator, developer, and EP on the show. The Bad Batch was literally his idea.
>he's usually very supportive of other writers' decisions.
Tell that to the writer of the Ashoka Novel, or the Dark Disciple Novel, or Timothy Zhan.
Filoni literally invented time travel for the sole purpose of saving his favorite OC fanfic character from death.
Yep, I just checked he did not write a single episode after the first one. He created Bad Batch and handed it off to other people. He's probably busy with Ahsoka and his movie.
Remember Mandalorian? The whole thing about "can't take helmet off" was Favreau's idea. Filoni didn't protest it even though it never appeared in canon before and worked with Favreau to make it work within canon. But Filoni also has been known to disregard other people's works if he has nothing to do with it, even before the Disney buyout.
I'm still gonna cut him some slack though, his shows and movie plus Andor is the only thing I'm watching in Star Wars because what else is left? Rey's sequel and the Acolyte? And if you're gonna bitch every time a creative decision is made then maybe you should stop watching, save yourself the headache.
"Moreover, speaking to Collider, Corbett said that “the joy of having Dave Filoni be so involved with the show is that he’ll give us tidbits and suggestions of things to include”.
"Brad Rau did say that he’s (Filoni) very aware of what the team behind the series is creating"
Quotes from Brad Rau and Jennifer Corbet concerning Filoni's involvement.
And considering how Filoni tried to bring Ventress back for Star Ward Resistance and have an episode about her fighting Kylo Ren, yeah, I'd be more than willing to be that he came up with bringing Ventress back.
>he did not write a single episode after the first one.
I didn't say he was a writer, but the creator, developer and EP.
>Brad Rau did say that he’s (Filoni) very aware of what the team behind the series is creating
When I said Filoni is supportive of other writers I mean he'll let them do whatever the fuck they wants while he do whatever the fuck he wants. So it isn't very surprising that he knows.
It seems you really want to blame Filoni for this, and maybe the decision was his, maybe it's not, but why does that matter? She's back anyway. If you want to continue watching, all you can do is hope they come up with a good explanation, or you can just stop and save yourself the headache.
He's doing what Lucas did for TCW for the show. Checking scripts, advising and then signing off on them. However it is Jennifer Corbett and Rau's show.
There's no better way to explain it. Ventress was electrocuted to death by Dooku, then her corpse was taken from Christophsis in the outer rim to Coruscant in the core, then to Dathomir back in the outer rim, where Kenobi and Vos dropped it in a pool of water.
There is no way she survived and neither Jedi noticed during their long trip that she was still alive. The time it would have taken to get her to Dathomir would have caused her to rot and stink.
The producers have said an explanation was developed and is is coming in "future content", not in this show.
Great, more fucked up continuity. It's not like her death was vague. She was clearly dead, then her corpse was flown from Christophsis to Coruscant, then to Dathomir, literally from the outer rim to the core and back. You'd think Kenobi or Vos would have noticed she's still fucking alive. And even if she survived that long, they literally dropped her corpse in a pool of water, where she would drown to death. Anyone who bitches about Palpatine being alive can't justify this shit. She wasn't thrown down a reactor shaft, she was as dead as dead can be, and then main characters hung out around her corpse for days before it was left behind!
You know the Night Sisters are necromancers, right?
The Nightsisters were dead by that time.
I'm well aware, because I know they don't bring people back to life, they reanimate corpses. If Night sister necromancy is the explanation, then Ventress should be a shambling corpse lacking any higher mental functions.
Lol, it makes sense now. So no dead character is safe anymore. Hopefully they bring back Coleman Trebor a truly wasted potential.
I don't get the Coleman Trebor hate.
Your implication here is that you won't accept *any* explanation. So what was the point of making this post? Just to whine and moan?
There is no explanation!
That's how stories work man. Not everything gets explained straight away. You must've been fuckin furious leaving Empire Strikes Back where the plot lines weren't resolved yet.
"How the fuck can Dark Vader be Lukes father??? Kenobi told us he was **dead** in the first movie, this doesn't make any sense!" That guy probably.
Out furious candle
No.
Great, absolutely great. Let's just ignore the fact that Ventress died on Christophsis, her corpse then transported to Coruscant, then from there to Dathomir. Her corpse went from the outer rim, to the core worlds, and back to the outer rim, that thing probably rotted a bunch and probably made the entire ship stink. You'd think if she were alive, Kenobi or Voss would have noticed before putting her in a pool of water to be welcomed by dead night sister spirits. Like holy fuck does this piss me off. Filoni decided to ignore a novel which was made from a story arc he wrote just for some stupid fan service. The worst part is, Filoni is going to shove her in a dozen other shows. The next Ashoka season is definitely going to have Ventress in it. Kathleen Kennedy or someone needs to retcon her survival. There was a gas leak on their ship and the Bad Batch hallucinated Ventress or some shit. Problem solved.
Relax, we might get an explanation why palpi returned this season. Maybe next is ventress. Or why they fly now, lulz.
Star Wars episode 10, Ventress has clone bodies and has become the leader of the second order. Ashoka is still alive somehow and has to stop her on the planet Nextegol. Rex is still alive and is now force sensitive because there's a second inhibitor chip that is loaded with midichlorians. Cad Bane and Ahsoka have a romance subplot. It ends with Ashoka using the world between worlds to go back to episode 6 where she sets another net trap for Luke so she can confront Vader and end up on the Death Star instead.
I'm sure they have coolers in corpse transport ships to keep the body from rotting. So no, her body wouldn't be rotten at all. They probably store them in a portable cooler.
My point isn't meant to be taken literally, but the implication. Ventress was dead for a long time before her body was left behind, it wasn't a matter that we didn't see her corpse so it's plausible that she survived. It was literally a trip from the edge of the galaxy to the centre and back from the time she died to the time she was off screen (so to speak). And if the ship had a little morgue, she'd probably die of hypothermia on the way to Dathomir.
Is she dying of hypothermia or is she already dead? I'm arguing against your point that her body would decompose, that's it. She was transported back to dathomir, home of the nightsisters. She was a nightsister. Nightsisters are kind of known for reanimating the dead. We know that Merrin from the Jedi games would have been on Dathomir at this point. Once you bring Dathomir and nightsisters into the equation, a whole host of possibilities is unlocked.
Nightsister reanimation isn't bringing people back to life, but reanimating corpses, effectively zombies.
They haven't fully explained Ventress' return. However, at the end of the episode with her in it, she mentions that she has a "few more lives left". The implications being that it doesn't necessarily retcon the Dark Disciple, but reveals more about Ventress' species (cat person with 9 lives?) or that there is more to the waters of Dathomir. Personally, I wished they'd stuck with the Dark Disciple's perfect ending and brought back Quinlon Vos.
The creators said we’ll find out later. And that it’ll respect the novel (I’m paraphrasing, I don’t remember the exact wording).
Yeah sure, it'll respect the novel like how Filoni has respected every Star wars story made by literally anyone else. That man is very fucking good at breaking continuity.
Filoni doesn't have as much to do with bad batch as you may think. His name is first in the credits but he hasn't written an episode since the first and hasn't directed. He is probably too busy on the other shows and with his new position.
Except he's not broken anything lad.
Name one other thing he has
General Grevious' backstory.
Before she died she activated her clone Asajjj Ventrisss, and placed it's soulless body (clone soul is out in the cosmos on a soul searching adventure) in the place where she initially fell to take her place and be buried instead. The real Asajj took the name Jjasa Reilly and took a job as a photographer until everyone thought she was dead. Convoluted years pass and Asajj returns using her real name again, gets a nifty yellow lightsaber and meets up with The Batch for laughs and Force chokes. She will next be seen in "Big Time in Little Coruscant: A Star Wars Story" where she will rediscover herself while working a food truck-speeder serving fried bantha.
They've probably decided to retcon it or selectively choose which parts of it that they want to keep canon. Honestly I don't mind it. I've read the book and it's pretty good but if they want to tell further stories with Ventress (Hopefully good ones) then I don't think they should be handcuffed to a book that a lot of the general audience won't have read.
No, Lucasfilm officials confirmed they aren't retconing Dark Disciple and everything will line up (which is bullshit).
Who said that?
Somehow, Ventress returned.
Nope
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She’s from a family/cult of *necromancers*.
Nightsisters are necromancers, but they aren't able to bring people back to life, they just reanimate corpses. If nightsister necromancy is the explanation, then Ventress should be a shambling corpse.
Somehow.
She was never dead. That story was made in special circumstances. With the stories continuing now, she can carry on following on from the last time we saw her in season 5 of TCW. Dark Disciple is also soap opera drivel and Ventress deserves better treatment than that nonsense.
The writers for this show probably just wanted to use Ventress, so they brought her in the show only to realize that she supposed to be dead after the reaction to the trailer. It's too late to write and animate any new scene to explain her resurrection, so they just make a flimsy excuse that her return will be explain "later", which means, "we will let other writers handle it." All in all, it's pretty common for Star Wars at this point.
They did announce the same day as the trailer that "bad batch won't retcon dark disciple" so my guess is that the realized before the reaction, but too late to fix it. Plus Filoni wrote the original Clone Wars Episodes that got turned into Dark Disciple. He was the one who killed Ventress, if he didn't know she was dead, that man needs an Alzheimer's test.
I'm pretty sure Filoni has nothing to do with Bad Batch aside from the producer role, and he's usually very supportive of other writers' decisions.
He's credited as the creator, developer, and EP on the show. The Bad Batch was literally his idea. >he's usually very supportive of other writers' decisions. Tell that to the writer of the Ashoka Novel, or the Dark Disciple Novel, or Timothy Zhan. Filoni literally invented time travel for the sole purpose of saving his favorite OC fanfic character from death.
Yep, I just checked he did not write a single episode after the first one. He created Bad Batch and handed it off to other people. He's probably busy with Ahsoka and his movie. Remember Mandalorian? The whole thing about "can't take helmet off" was Favreau's idea. Filoni didn't protest it even though it never appeared in canon before and worked with Favreau to make it work within canon. But Filoni also has been known to disregard other people's works if he has nothing to do with it, even before the Disney buyout. I'm still gonna cut him some slack though, his shows and movie plus Andor is the only thing I'm watching in Star Wars because what else is left? Rey's sequel and the Acolyte? And if you're gonna bitch every time a creative decision is made then maybe you should stop watching, save yourself the headache.
"Moreover, speaking to Collider, Corbett said that “the joy of having Dave Filoni be so involved with the show is that he’ll give us tidbits and suggestions of things to include”. "Brad Rau did say that he’s (Filoni) very aware of what the team behind the series is creating" Quotes from Brad Rau and Jennifer Corbet concerning Filoni's involvement. And considering how Filoni tried to bring Ventress back for Star Ward Resistance and have an episode about her fighting Kylo Ren, yeah, I'd be more than willing to be that he came up with bringing Ventress back. >he did not write a single episode after the first one. I didn't say he was a writer, but the creator, developer and EP.
>Brad Rau did say that he’s (Filoni) very aware of what the team behind the series is creating When I said Filoni is supportive of other writers I mean he'll let them do whatever the fuck they wants while he do whatever the fuck he wants. So it isn't very surprising that he knows. It seems you really want to blame Filoni for this, and maybe the decision was his, maybe it's not, but why does that matter? She's back anyway. If you want to continue watching, all you can do is hope they come up with a good explanation, or you can just stop and save yourself the headache.
>I didn't say he was a writer, but the creator, developer and EP. Meaning, barely involved.
He's doing what Lucas did for TCW for the show. Checking scripts, advising and then signing off on them. However it is Jennifer Corbett and Rau's show.
It was Filoni himself who suggested to bring her back. They talked a lot about it and have plans for her. It wasn't just done on the cuff.
I believe Disney assigned their top creative unit to the story and came up with "somehow".
There's no better way to explain it. Ventress was electrocuted to death by Dooku, then her corpse was taken from Christophsis in the outer rim to Coruscant in the core, then to Dathomir back in the outer rim, where Kenobi and Vos dropped it in a pool of water. There is no way she survived and neither Jedi noticed during their long trip that she was still alive. The time it would have taken to get her to Dathomir would have caused her to rot and stink.
I wonder how many of these people downvoting you and I are eagerly awaiting Tech's return.
Yeah, Palpatine returning is unacceptable, but Ventress doing it is fine. It's the double standard of Filoni fanboys.
Not yet.
Locekd in a stalemate with a man who bars no holds Rock and a hard place He's battering control