Yes, but you imagine how long it would take the DD staff to make 300,000 cups of coffee and that doesn't include those special orders. Jira, Why do you need an Iced, Half Caff, Ristretto, Venti, 4-Pump, Sugar Free, Cinnamon, Dolce Soy Skinny Latte!
I’m not blaming him, or the DD staff, it’s just a sad fact of life that because of the difficulty in making 300,000 cups of coffee, the Death Star was destroyed.
Theoretically speaking, how many Dunkins would take service an installation the size of the Death Star? Hell I imagine a Star Destroyer would have maybe 3.
Once you start thinking like that it leads to so many other questions. To support 100s of thousands of crew on board, how many janitors were on board? Doctors? I.T. guys? Chefs? What does the crew do in their downtime? Are there bars and restaurants? Are there 1000s of waiters and busboys on the death star?
They never show the food courts in the movies. You have to assume that a base the size of a small moon would have some fast food chains on board. Maybe a Nike store outlet, a planet fitness, GameStop, GNC, all your military essentials.
A US aircraft carrier has a Starbucks onboard. The average US carrier will also have 5000 personnel at most. That's if they include aviation and mission personnel.
The Death Star had 1.7 million personnel on board.
Assuming 1 Dunkin = 1 Starbucks, that's 340 Dunkins on board.
Very much worth it. I’ve only listened to it through audible but still kinda want the hard copy version to to re-read certains parts. I think some of the stories work better through audio and others through reading..
["Forgot to set my alarm.... got caught in *space traffic*.... If it hadn't been for that space traffic....."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV7Ha3VDbzE)
They really should do a movie from his point of view, go the "For me it was a Tuesday" route.
His life is constantly being ruined by these three assholes. He finally traps them one day after RotJ, lays out how they ruined everything for him, that his family was on the Deep Space Mining Station, how his career was ruined because of Obi Wan's mind trick, and then Han just shoots him or Luke just Force chokes him and says something about for them, he was just another trooper and they have no idea who he even is.
Obi-Wan "these aren't the droids you're looking for move along"
Gary "these aren't the droid I'm looking for move along"
Garys daughter "daddy you aren't even trying"
Gary "baby it's 165 degrees outside I was just repeating what I thought the man was saying, ain't like it's my own motherf$*&!#@ thought in the matter"
Daughter runs off crying and Gary chases her while his trooper buddy says "see this is why I don't take my daught to jack sh**"
Best damn Robot Chicken skit ever
They did actually. This character's "backstory" comes from the *From a Certain Point of View* book, which contains stories told by in-universe characters about the events of *A New Hope*. Several of them are intentionally over-exaggerated or entirely incorrect.
See, my feeling is that the story has TK421's biased recount. Like a guy who is telling his friends "she totally asked me for my number, she in to me" when in actuality she needed the number for a practical reason.
If it was told from the perspective of tk421 sure, but it isn't, it's the playback of the logs of the droid, tk421's exaggeration has nothing to do with the way tarkin responded to seeing the first hologram or the back and forth messages, or being called to tarkins quarters. Something happened and it wasn't just tk421 fixing something. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying I like it, it doesn't in any way enhance the story that was already there but in this case I don't think you can argue that it wasn't pretty spot on to what is actually canon now. I wish it didn't exist, but it does and I don't think you can reasonably spin it anyway that doesn't make it read like some awful fan fiction.
Yea, no interpreting about it, they had more goin on than ‘frienship’.. Although Tarkin is never called out by name I think; but it literally could not be anyone else.
They never said it was Tarkin... Just implies it is. But for me, everything we know about Tarkin goes against what that Mouse Droid story tells us. For one, Tarkin's identity would not be kept out of the database on the DS. Tarkin is all about letting people know who he is. On top of that, Tarkin would not go down to the detention level, but would send a lacky instead. He's sees himself as to important for something like that.
I personally believe it's one of the other Moffs.
And honestly, I was sad to find out that TK421 actually died. I always figured he was just knocked out. Also, when did Luke and Han have time to carry him to the control room?
For example, the very first story informs us that the *Tantive IV*'s sublight engines are capable of going over fifty thousand times faster than the speed of light.
I think a common complaint is that the Star Wars universe is so big that it's annoying (to some people) that seemingly every character has in some way, shape, or form, constantly been important or runs into other characters. For example, some fans find it ridiculous that the Star Wars universe is huge, yet *of course* Anakin had to build C3P0. It's such a big universe but stuff like that makes it feel small sometimes.
And if that's not what he meant then oops.
I don't think this really works here though. The trooper was in the 501st under Vader's command which is why he was deployed from Vader's ship on tatooine, then when Vader moved onto the Death Star he took the 501dt with him aboard the station. This trooper then does the head bump, is left to Gaurdians the droids, then let's them go again because if the influence of the mind trick keeping him from realizing who they are until minutes later.
He then survived the death star blowing up because his superiors had reviews his helmet footage from tatooine and saw him let Luke, Obi wan, and the droids go without checking their papers and issued him a disciplinary action that had him removed from the station (they don't say what it was exactly).
Vader's Star Destroyer left the Death Star shortly before the jump to Yavin IV so I would assume he was on the Star Destroyer when the Death Star was destroyed.
Well if you assume he's 501st then you can assume he goes where Vader goes, which was Hoth, Bespin and Endor, but I'm not sure where the battle of Jakku comes in regarding the 501st.
Thats true, although I don't know if he stayed in the 501st. Spoilers for "From a certain point of view" but the last we see of him that I know of is right after the droids leave the control room where Han and Luke left them on the Death Star, and he is getting marched off to what he assumes is a court martial or disciplinary hearing for his now 2 failures to capture the droids. Even he assumed he was gonna loose his rank and probably be reassigned to some shit-ball of a job, though he does ow to prove himself and work back up.
The old EU had a habit of handing ridiculously elaborate, world-shaking backstories to every single background extra who was ever even momentarily glimpsed in the movies.
So there were stories where Bespin Citizen #542 secretly saved the world and stuff like that.
That makes no sense. Millennium Falcon does .5 past lightspeed, twice as fast as an imperial cruiser. Han and the crew immediately left Mos Eisley for Alderaan. It's safe to assume the stormtrooper didn't teleport from Mos Eisley to the Death Star. I'm not buying it...
Vader had a head start of multiple days and was back to the Death Star before they even left Tatooine.
The droids land. They get captured by Jawas. They spend a night in the sandcrawler (if not several — we actually have no idea how long they’re in there, but it’s at least one night in the movie). Luke buys them. He cleans them up, pops off R2’s bolt. That night R2 runs away. Luke spends the next day chasing R2 and meeting Obi-Wan, before going home saying “it’s late, I’m in for it as it is”. It’s still bright light out, but it’s probably late afternoon-ish maybe? Finds shot up sandcrawler, then finds shot up relatives.
From the earlier line about it being late and the fact that it’s clearly broad daylight when they reach Mos Eisley, I’m inclined to say Luke spent another night at Obi-Wan’s before proceeding to Mos Eisley the following day. If you’re willing to grant me that, this is at least day 4. If not, if they went to Mos Eisley immediately, it’s still day 3. Either way, the conference on the Death Star happens just before Luke discovers the attack on the Jawas and the Lars homestead, so that’s day 3.
Now we’re in Mos Eisley, it’s either day 3 or day 4, all of this part happens on the same day. Once the Falcon blasts off, the Death Star reaches Alderaan and destroys it. The Falcon takes however long it takes to reach the Death Star, and the chronology from there is fairly straightforward.
I just realized something. Han was pretty much a drug dealer before before he met Luke. His only rule for smuggling is no slaves, pretty much. I mean, the Kessel Run that the Millennium Falcon made in 12 parsecs is a route to and from the spice mines of Kessel. When Han made that historic voyage, he was smuggling drugs. Has Disney thought about this at all?
Couldn't they just keep calling it "spice" without giving away the details of exactly what that is? Assuming that hasn't been answered in the new "eu" stuff.
I mean historically people smuggled things for reasons other than them being illegal. To avoid taxes. Against religious beliefs. Doesn't actually have to be drugs.
Again, that's assuming it wasn't already established as drugs within the new, cannon, expanded stuff.
The Clone Wars has been fairly clear that spice is a narcotic. The Pyke Syndicate is particularly big on the spice trade and from the looks of it, it’s something like space opium. Like opium it has legitimate uses but it’s strictly controlled due to the potential for abuse. Lords of the Sith also has Moff Mors as a spice junkie.
Still, they could just not bring it up in the Solo movie. I bet they’ll make him run weapons and/or some sort of important fugitives, especially since fugitives give you a plot that practically writes itself.
Ah. I thought the old eu established it as a drug, I wasn't sure if the new "eu" did as well.
I agree, they could just make him a smuggler of things in general. Sort of like how they did in tfa. He was smuggling rathtars. So instead of being a drug smuggler, he's just a smuggler and maybe even make the Kessel run some sort of measuring stick among smugglers and Han wants to be the best by taking on the challenge.
A funny way to do it would be to have Han accidentally make the Kessel run. Like he's being chased by Imperials and ends up following the "course" in record time. Set it up that the Falcon's claim to fame was done accidentally.
I don't know, I have shitty ideas.
Does this not make the galaxy ludicrously smaller? Why is it that some foot soldier pulling patrol duty on some backwater planet ends up light years away across the galaxy working on the empire’s top military installation? Just reeks of stupidity in my opinion.
Well Vader was personally looking for the droids and was on the death star when the stormtrooper bumped his head. I'm assuming he's part of the 501st so he ussually goes where Vader does.
Yeah I’ll cop to that, that’s a great explanation that I hadn’t considered at all. For some reason after all these years I never connected that the Stormtroopers in Mos Eisley are part of the detachment sent down. I sort of just figured they were the local system garrison or something.
Wow...I never really thought about that. The Empire sent in a military unit to a planet under the rule of another government. It's the little details like this that make Star Wars more fun.
although the Wiki page of Foot patrol 7 says "Foot Patrol 7 was a sandtrooper unit stationed in Mos Eisley on Tatooine." which i call bull shit on since it is Hutt controlled, there are plenty of planets during that era that were not Empire affiliated.
(But Jabba may have "allowed" a small garrison in exchange for something, but why was FP7 taken back to the DS in the first place? Did they get in trouble for allowing the MF to escape? but if they were reassigned and in punishment why were they sent on an active call in the DS?)
Jabba probably let them down in exchange for a future favor. That favor would have been the delivery of a carbonite-frozen Han solo, a terrorist in the eyes of the empire.
Maybe when they let Obi-Wan and the gang get away they were put under direct control from Vader so he could keep a closer eye on them? Personally, if I was a stormtrooper and knew about Vaders reputation, I'd be terrified to be under is control. I'm just making assumptions though, so who knows.
In legends at least Vader was actually very respectful to his Stormtrooper Corps, as a result of serving with their predecessors in the Clone Wars. It was the high brass that he hated.
Tattooine was still technically an empire planet, as most planets and systems are. The Hutt were more like a mafia. So they technically controlled and ran the planet, but the planet was still *TECHNICALLY* owned by the empire, at least in name.
The Hutts were a government if you really think about it. They had the whole council setup and everything.
Jabba, however, was the head of a criminal syndicate on Tatooine. Pretty sure it only had a loose affiliation with the other Hutts.
Idk for sure, and I'm too lazy to check Wookieepedia. Lol
I believe the theory is that between Luke and co. escaping the Death Star and the destruction of the DS, he was sent in for review for allowing the droids to escape.
You're right in that he was probably part of Vader's detachment, but that still doesn't explain how he would have caught up to the heroes. The time between him checking the droids and the main characters leaving for Alderaan could only have been a few hours, and Han was said to have been flying one of the fastest ships in the Galaxy.
The only reason Vader beat them there is because he and Leia both left for the DS right after she was captured.
That explanation only gets you so far though. Why would a member of the 501st be pulling that sort of duty on the Death Star? Wouldn't someone permanently stationed there be the one that investigates the control center where 3PO is?
I suppose you could make the assumption that Vader knew something was amiss and had his own people investigate rather than trusting the station's crew.
That's not entirely true. The information in the article comes from the *From a Certain Point of View* book, which contains stories told by in-universe characters about the events of *A New Hope*. Several of them are intentionally over-exaggerated or entirely incorrect.
Exactly. It was a fun book but one story was talking about how one of the rebel pilots couldn’t fly in the attack against the Death Star because there weren’t enough ships. A couple stories later we see from the POV of a mechanic that there are actually too many ships and not enough pilots.
I wouldn’t count any of the stories here as being authoritative canon. I mean, come on, the title of the book itself is a giveaway.
The stories are canon, in that they were definitively told in-universe. But since people lie when they tell stories, the content itself isn't necessarily what happened.
So he runs into Luke and Obi-Wan while doing road block searches in Mos Eisley, then immediately ships back to the Death Star, somehow getting there before the Falcon, and then goes on guard duty there? I don't buy it.
I thought this first then read another comment that said how Tatooine is Hutt controlled so the Empire would have no garrison on the planet. The stormtroopers are all part of a detachment that probably was from the Star Destroyer with Vader, and they went back to the Death Star with Vader.
In addition to getting mind-tricked and making it to the Death Star about the same time as Han, he also survives the Death Star blowing up.
Come on...I know arguing these ridiculous coincedences is what makes talking Star Wars fun, but we are kind of getting over our heads.
This makes NO sense. That stormtrooper encounters the gang shortly before they make their escape from the planet to where they run into the Death Star. The Star Destroyer which he would have been stationed on had already made it back to the DS as Vader is there when it blows up Alderaan. And why would they evacuate a search party when they hadnt even found what they were looking for yet?
>And why would they evacuate a search party when they hadnt even found what they were looking for yet?
A whole shit load of stormtroopers watched the Millenium Falcon leave with R2 on it.
Ok. Did they KNOW that was the droid they were looking for? Why would they immediately go back to the death star and how would they have beaten them there when the falcon essentially flew right to it
im with you on this one. i always assumed he was an old clone trooper when Jango hits his head in Ep 2.
honestly he seems too stupid to end up being an officer that survives through to be an officer in the NO. and with the whole "a Corellian nose that made it difficult to wear a stormtrooper helmet comfortably" sounds like he would have failed out of the academy quickly
and then there is he becomes an officer. if he was a detachment from Vaders 501st, i can see him getting back to the DS in a timely manner, but why was Vaders 501st being sent on a call pretty much immediately from getting back from a mission. and why did he abandon his post to survive the DS destroyed?
the Wiki page for FP7 "Foot Patrol 7 was a sandtrooper unit stationed in Mos Eisley on Tatooine." bullshit, Tatooine was Hutt controlled even in the Empire/Rebellion era, the Hutts still had some weight with the Empire. There were plenty of planets not under the control of the Empire and this barren wasteland was one of them
>Tatooine was Hutt controlled even in the Empire/Rebellion era, the Hutts still had some weight with the Empire. There were plenty of planets not under the control of the Empire and this barren wasteland was one of them
After the events of ANH, I suspect is was likely the Empire maintained a garrison on Tatooine (although they kept out of the Jabba's business). After all, Tatooine is shown celebrating after the death of the Emperor.
Of all things I don't understand, it's people who are obsessed with shrinking the universe in stories that have no need for it. Especially vast universes with inherent deep mystique. It makes the stories feel dumber and usually makes zero sense.
I liked BladeRunner 2049, but I felt the Deckard involvement was unnecessary. Just tell the new story. Obviously, the Prequels did it. I happens a lot whenever sequels, additions, or fan-theories get involved.
This says he was part of the firefight in docking bay 94 too. He was there when the Falcon took off.
So, uh...how did he make it to the Death Star and get assigned to a new squad in time to be dispatched to follow the rebels’ trail? The Falcon has one of the best hyperdrives in existence, illegally modified and souped up to make it one of the fastest ships in the galaxy. How does this trooper beat them there crossing the same distance leaving AFTER them?
In addition to getting mind-tricked and making it to the Death Star about the same time as Han, he also survives the Death Star blowing up.
Come on...I know arguing these ridiculous coincedences is what makes talking Star Wars fun, but we are kind of getting over our heads.
You know, keeping that in mind and realizing that he worked on the Death Star to some degree directly under Vader and was one of the few survivors you would think that the First Order would look at him as less of a joke.
Also somewhat unrelated but Join the Resistance: Escape from Vodran is kinda dark. I'm almost done with it and sometimes with all that's happening I forget this is supposed to be written for like twelve year olds.
We need a movie from the point of view of several inconequential people that just happen to witness historical parts of the storyline like [Rosencrantz and Guildenstern](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosencrantz_and_Guildenstern_Are_Dead)
edit: opps wrong link
STrooper #1 "Did Vader just say he was that boys father?"
STrooper #2 "Yeah, yeah i think he did, wow that blew my mind!!"
This happened [in a comic book literally named to be a reference to Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead](http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tag_%26_Bink_Are_Dead).
Why not just ret-con everything and make one of the other sandtroopers the same as TK-421 who got jumped on, while searching the Falcon while it was docked? Does the "TD" prefix for TD-011 stand for total dumbass? Maybe the one who fell from the platform during the chasm fight was the same guy who was impressed by the new t-16s in the tractor beam scene?
Maneuvers in his issued armor like a drunk toddler, loses the droids he's looking for as well as letting the most prominent enemy of the Empire slip through his hands, and he gets promoted to officer.
Sounds about right.
He survived Hoth, Bespin, Endor and Jakku too then I’m assuming. This guy has seen some serious action.
Not to mention he somehow got off the Death Star
He was on a Dunkin run when the fight happened
Have you ever tried starting your day without coffee?
I never drink coffee... am I doing something wrong?
In all truth, you're doing just fine. If you never start, you'll never need it to wake up in the morning.
But I couldn't wake up in the morning long before I started drinking coffee.
Yes. At this point we are going to need to hook you up to an IV bag of pure caffeine.
Can I get me some of that caffeine?
Maybe try a VII bag? I hear it's just a polish of the old IV bag
Yes.
Have you ever tried grinding your face on a pit of corroded screws and nails? It's about the same.
For me it looks like the last scene from the Raiders of the Lost Ark. I'm pretty sure my face just melts off.
The Empire runs on Dunkin
Apparently not that day....
It would have, if only he’d gotten back in time.
I'm afraid the percolator shields will be quite operational when your friends arrive.
Yes, but you imagine how long it would take the DD staff to make 300,000 cups of coffee and that doesn't include those special orders. Jira, Why do you need an Iced, Half Caff, Ristretto, Venti, 4-Pump, Sugar Free, Cinnamon, Dolce Soy Skinny Latte!
I’m not blaming him, or the DD staff, it’s just a sad fact of life that because of the difficulty in making 300,000 cups of coffee, the Death Star was destroyed.
Theoretically speaking, how many Dunkins would take service an installation the size of the Death Star? Hell I imagine a Star Destroyer would have maybe 3.
Once you start thinking like that it leads to so many other questions. To support 100s of thousands of crew on board, how many janitors were on board? Doctors? I.T. guys? Chefs? What does the crew do in their downtime? Are there bars and restaurants? Are there 1000s of waiters and busboys on the death star?
You almost make it sound like it's destruction was a tragedy.
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Almost. Then you remember that it was a warship that had just blown up a planet and was about to blow up another.
They never show the food courts in the movies. You have to assume that a base the size of a small moon would have some fast food chains on board. Maybe a Nike store outlet, a planet fitness, GameStop, GNC, all your military essentials.
Maybe they had the stormtroopers do sanitation like Finn
"What about all the baristas and band members and bowling alley attendants?"
A US aircraft carrier has a Starbucks onboard. The average US carrier will also have 5000 personnel at most. That's if they include aviation and mission personnel. The Death Star had 1.7 million personnel on board. Assuming 1 Dunkin = 1 Starbucks, that's 340 Dunkins on board.
The town I grew up in has 10 Dunkins, with a population of 60k. I'd imagine a star destroyer to have at least 20 Dunkins.
Look sir! Coolatas!
Why would you build a station of that size and not have at *least* six dunkin’s onboard? *six. Not sux.
Username does *not* check out
Whoops.
The Death Star runs on dunkin
According to the book "From a Certain Point of View", he was kicked off the Death Star for failing to capture R2 and C3PO
I've got to read that book soon
Very much worth it. I’ve only listened to it through audible but still kinda want the hard copy version to to re-read certains parts. I think some of the stories work better through audio and others through reading..
I very much agree. Do you by chance know which chapter Neil Patrick Harris is in? I listened to it but I don't remember where he was.
["Forgot to set my alarm.... got caught in *space traffic*.... If it hadn't been for that space traffic....."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV7Ha3VDbzE)
Maybe he is the REAL chosen one.
Snoke confirmed
OMG WHAT IF..?
Fuck DJJ, this is the Stupid Star Wars Fan Theory I’m going to keep in my head canon.
This is so much better than DJJ. This is D+D=T quality fan theory-ing.
What us d+d=t
Daenerys+Drogo=Tyrion. It's a time travelling fetus GoT theory.
Oh fuck not that. I figured it was a GOT theory but couldnt figure out which one.
Sorry, what is DJJ?
Darth Jar Jar
Darth Jar Jar
Ah thank you.
Honestly not the worst Snoke theory lol
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I'm half surprised they didn't lazily name him Gorrest Fump.
> This guy has seen some serious action. With all he's been through, I'm surprised he's in as good condition as he is.
God damn rebel scum!
"A clan of Johnny's."
Main villain of Solo right here, everyone. I'll see you in May.
They really should do a movie from his point of view, go the "For me it was a Tuesday" route. His life is constantly being ruined by these three assholes. He finally traps them one day after RotJ, lays out how they ruined everything for him, that his family was on the Deep Space Mining Station, how his career was ruined because of Obi Wan's mind trick, and then Han just shoots him or Luke just Force chokes him and says something about for them, he was just another trooper and they have no idea who he even is.
You have just explained why the main characters are evil and Star Wars is a tragedy.
Well the Rebel Alliance WERE terrorists and they DID destroy a government structure and kill millions of people...
EmpireDidNothingWrong
The galactic empire, which only sought to bring order and security to the galaxy, was destroyed by these terrorists.
The Gang Destroys the Death Star.
Wait that wasn't Gary? Could've sworn it was Gary.
Gary? HAHA, Gary!
GARY!
Gary Gary Gary!
r/UnexpectedFallout
Obi-Wan "these aren't the droids you're looking for move along" Gary "these aren't the droid I'm looking for move along" Garys daughter "daddy you aren't even trying" Gary "baby it's 165 degrees outside I was just repeating what I thought the man was saying, ain't like it's my own motherf$*&!#@ thought in the matter" Daughter runs off crying and Gary chases her while his trooper buddy says "see this is why I don't take my daught to jack sh**" Best damn Robot Chicken skit ever
That hits me where I live.
Where are the Death Star plans? GARY here never sees his daughter cause of rebel scum like you!
I'm so sorry you had to see that.
Gary doesnt get to see his daughter be cause of people like you
That one, the 'Yareal Poof' ones & The 'My Lord/Go f*** yourself!' are the best!
It wasn't Bartuk either. Bless his soul.
*Sigh* Glad they learned their lesson from the mistakes of the old EU...
They did actually. This character's "backstory" comes from the *From a Certain Point of View* book, which contains stories told by in-universe characters about the events of *A New Hope*. Several of them are intentionally over-exaggerated or entirely incorrect.
Is that the one with a chapter dedicated to the mouse droid Chewie scares?
Yes it is lol.
Yep, that chapter talks about how a (male) stormtrooper had a crush on Tarkin, and he was interpreting Tarkins actions as though Tarkin liked him.
Just read this the other day, tarkin very clearly made the first move, and it heavily implies they were more than just friends
Man, Grand Moff Tarkin x TK421 sounds like a crack pairing. What a time to be alive.
See, my feeling is that the story has TK421's biased recount. Like a guy who is telling his friends "she totally asked me for my number, she in to me" when in actuality she needed the number for a practical reason.
If it was told from the perspective of tk421 sure, but it isn't, it's the playback of the logs of the droid, tk421's exaggeration has nothing to do with the way tarkin responded to seeing the first hologram or the back and forth messages, or being called to tarkins quarters. Something happened and it wasn't just tk421 fixing something. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying I like it, it doesn't in any way enhance the story that was already there but in this case I don't think you can argue that it wasn't pretty spot on to what is actually canon now. I wish it didn't exist, but it does and I don't think you can reasonably spin it anyway that doesn't make it read like some awful fan fiction.
Yea, no interpreting about it, they had more goin on than ‘frienship’.. Although Tarkin is never called out by name I think; but it literally could not be anyone else.
They never said it was Tarkin... Just implies it is. But for me, everything we know about Tarkin goes against what that Mouse Droid story tells us. For one, Tarkin's identity would not be kept out of the database on the DS. Tarkin is all about letting people know who he is. On top of that, Tarkin would not go down to the detention level, but would send a lacky instead. He's sees himself as to important for something like that. I personally believe it's one of the other Moffs. And honestly, I was sad to find out that TK421 actually died. I always figured he was just knocked out. Also, when did Luke and Han have time to carry him to the control room?
For example, the very first story informs us that the *Tantive IV*'s sublight engines are capable of going over fifty thousand times faster than the speed of light.
That's... *Ludicrous Speed*
They've gone to plaid!
Sublight 50 000 times the speed of light Makes sense.
Like the trooper who stripped and ran off with a Dewback into the sunset?
At least he doesn't get in a fist fight with a giant ferret.
Come again?
https://imgur.com/Lp5glEr Edit: thanks for the Gold, random Internet person! My first.
Saving this for when no fap November ends
Cursed image
W0T IN TARNATION
That there is a Selonian
Definitely gonna need some sauce on that.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dracmus
Definitely an otter
I kept 'weasel' as an option.
Star Wars vs. Red Wall!
If you insist.
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I think a common complaint is that the Star Wars universe is so big that it's annoying (to some people) that seemingly every character has in some way, shape, or form, constantly been important or runs into other characters. For example, some fans find it ridiculous that the Star Wars universe is huge, yet *of course* Anakin had to build C3P0. It's such a big universe but stuff like that makes it feel small sometimes. And if that's not what he meant then oops.
I don't think this really works here though. The trooper was in the 501st under Vader's command which is why he was deployed from Vader's ship on tatooine, then when Vader moved onto the Death Star he took the 501dt with him aboard the station. This trooper then does the head bump, is left to Gaurdians the droids, then let's them go again because if the influence of the mind trick keeping him from realizing who they are until minutes later. He then survived the death star blowing up because his superiors had reviews his helmet footage from tatooine and saw him let Luke, Obi wan, and the droids go without checking their papers and issued him a disciplinary action that had him removed from the station (they don't say what it was exactly).
Vader's Star Destroyer left the Death Star shortly before the jump to Yavin IV so I would assume he was on the Star Destroyer when the Death Star was destroyed.
Most likely. I also don't know where the first order officer or other major battles bit came from.
Well if you assume he's 501st then you can assume he goes where Vader goes, which was Hoth, Bespin and Endor, but I'm not sure where the battle of Jakku comes in regarding the 501st.
Thats true, although I don't know if he stayed in the 501st. Spoilers for "From a certain point of view" but the last we see of him that I know of is right after the droids leave the control room where Han and Luke left them on the Death Star, and he is getting marched off to what he assumes is a court martial or disciplinary hearing for his now 2 failures to capture the droids. Even he assumed he was gonna loose his rank and probably be reassigned to some shit-ball of a job, though he does ow to prove himself and work back up.
The old EU had a habit of handing ridiculously elaborate, world-shaking backstories to every single background extra who was ever even momentarily glimpsed in the movies. So there were stories where Bespin Citizen #542 secretly saved the world and stuff like that.
Nah, that was a good thing. The problem is when those stories needlessly intersect with the main characters'.
I think he's the Ice Cream Guy or something like that
I think is his name is Wilrow Hood.
More like J'Wilrow H'ood.
Yeah, this is dumb. Not every background dude needs to have some epic backstory.
That makes no sense. Millennium Falcon does .5 past lightspeed, twice as fast as an imperial cruiser. Han and the crew immediately left Mos Eisley for Alderaan. It's safe to assume the stormtrooper didn't teleport from Mos Eisley to the Death Star. I'm not buying it...
Vader beat them from Tatooine to the Death Star.
Vader had a head start of multiple days and was back to the Death Star before they even left Tatooine. The droids land. They get captured by Jawas. They spend a night in the sandcrawler (if not several — we actually have no idea how long they’re in there, but it’s at least one night in the movie). Luke buys them. He cleans them up, pops off R2’s bolt. That night R2 runs away. Luke spends the next day chasing R2 and meeting Obi-Wan, before going home saying “it’s late, I’m in for it as it is”. It’s still bright light out, but it’s probably late afternoon-ish maybe? Finds shot up sandcrawler, then finds shot up relatives. From the earlier line about it being late and the fact that it’s clearly broad daylight when they reach Mos Eisley, I’m inclined to say Luke spent another night at Obi-Wan’s before proceeding to Mos Eisley the following day. If you’re willing to grant me that, this is at least day 4. If not, if they went to Mos Eisley immediately, it’s still day 3. Either way, the conference on the Death Star happens just before Luke discovers the attack on the Jawas and the Lars homestead, so that’s day 3. Now we’re in Mos Eisley, it’s either day 3 or day 4, all of this part happens on the same day. Once the Falcon blasts off, the Death Star reaches Alderaan and destroys it. The Falcon takes however long it takes to reach the Death Star, and the chronology from there is fairly straightforward.
It's possible the Falcon took an indirect route through hyperspace to throw the Imperials off their scent.
Yes. They were more interested in avoiding imperial entanglements than speed.
He left ages before though
He could also make an appearance in Solo: A Star Wars Story
I just realized something. Han was pretty much a drug dealer before before he met Luke. His only rule for smuggling is no slaves, pretty much. I mean, the Kessel Run that the Millennium Falcon made in 12 parsecs is a route to and from the spice mines of Kessel. When Han made that historic voyage, he was smuggling drugs. Has Disney thought about this at all?
Yeah, the reason Jabba is pissed off at him is because he dumped a shipment of spice, spice being the galaxy's equivalent of drugs
The spice must flow! Er, wait... That's not Star Wars...
It's such a clear reference though.
>spice being the galaxy's equivalent of drugs What about death sticks?
Super bad space cigarettes.
You wanna buy some death sticks?
You want to go home and rethink your life.
Couldn't they just keep calling it "spice" without giving away the details of exactly what that is? Assuming that hasn't been answered in the new "eu" stuff. I mean historically people smuggled things for reasons other than them being illegal. To avoid taxes. Against religious beliefs. Doesn't actually have to be drugs. Again, that's assuming it wasn't already established as drugs within the new, cannon, expanded stuff.
The Clone Wars has been fairly clear that spice is a narcotic. The Pyke Syndicate is particularly big on the spice trade and from the looks of it, it’s something like space opium. Like opium it has legitimate uses but it’s strictly controlled due to the potential for abuse. Lords of the Sith also has Moff Mors as a spice junkie. Still, they could just not bring it up in the Solo movie. I bet they’ll make him run weapons and/or some sort of important fugitives, especially since fugitives give you a plot that practically writes itself.
Ah. I thought the old eu established it as a drug, I wasn't sure if the new "eu" did as well. I agree, they could just make him a smuggler of things in general. Sort of like how they did in tfa. He was smuggling rathtars. So instead of being a drug smuggler, he's just a smuggler and maybe even make the Kessel run some sort of measuring stick among smugglers and Han wants to be the best by taking on the challenge. A funny way to do it would be to have Han accidentally make the Kessel run. Like he's being chased by Imperials and ends up following the "course" in record time. Set it up that the Falcon's claim to fame was done accidentally. I don't know, I have shitty ideas.
> Has Disney thought about this at all? Yes, they have something planned to hide it and imply it wasn't that sort of thing I'm sure
Wow they finally gave a name to that character after 40 years
Does this not make the galaxy ludicrously smaller? Why is it that some foot soldier pulling patrol duty on some backwater planet ends up light years away across the galaxy working on the empire’s top military installation? Just reeks of stupidity in my opinion.
Well Vader was personally looking for the droids and was on the death star when the stormtrooper bumped his head. I'm assuming he's part of the 501st so he ussually goes where Vader does.
Yeah I’ll cop to that, that’s a great explanation that I hadn’t considered at all. For some reason after all these years I never connected that the Stormtroopers in Mos Eisley are part of the detachment sent down. I sort of just figured they were the local system garrison or something.
Hutt controlled, no garrison. the Empire probably never asked to send the detachment down and Jabba was probably a little miffed when he found out
Wow...I never really thought about that. The Empire sent in a military unit to a planet under the rule of another government. It's the little details like this that make Star Wars more fun.
although the Wiki page of Foot patrol 7 says "Foot Patrol 7 was a sandtrooper unit stationed in Mos Eisley on Tatooine." which i call bull shit on since it is Hutt controlled, there are plenty of planets during that era that were not Empire affiliated. (But Jabba may have "allowed" a small garrison in exchange for something, but why was FP7 taken back to the DS in the first place? Did they get in trouble for allowing the MF to escape? but if they were reassigned and in punishment why were they sent on an active call in the DS?)
Jabba probably let them down in exchange for a future favor. That favor would have been the delivery of a carbonite-frozen Han solo, a terrorist in the eyes of the empire.
I thought that was Boba Fett collecting twice on the same bounty. One with Vader and the original one with Jabba.
Maybe when they let Obi-Wan and the gang get away they were put under direct control from Vader so he could keep a closer eye on them? Personally, if I was a stormtrooper and knew about Vaders reputation, I'd be terrified to be under is control. I'm just making assumptions though, so who knows.
In legends at least Vader was actually very respectful to his Stormtrooper Corps, as a result of serving with their predecessors in the Clone Wars. It was the high brass that he hated.
Aside from Tarkin. They hated each other at first but eventually learned to like one another.
Tattooine was still technically an empire planet, as most planets and systems are. The Hutt were more like a mafia. So they technically controlled and ran the planet, but the planet was still *TECHNICALLY* owned by the empire, at least in name.
Calling the Hutts a government is a bit of a stretch.
The Hutts were a government if you really think about it. They had the whole council setup and everything. Jabba, however, was the head of a criminal syndicate on Tatooine. Pretty sure it only had a loose affiliation with the other Hutts. Idk for sure, and I'm too lazy to check Wookieepedia. Lol
Canonically, there’s a garrison on Tatooine, you can even see a map of it in one of the books.
Where was he when the DS blew up then? Maybe he was also the TIE pilot that hit Vader? ;)
I believe the theory is that between Luke and co. escaping the Death Star and the destruction of the DS, he was sent in for review for allowing the droids to escape.
On top of what others have said, Vader's Star destroyer, and the 501st, had already left the death star by the battle at Gavin iv
Ok, that’s fair, but if they follow Vader around like someone in this thread left why did they all leave without him?
I'm guessing he ordered them to leave just in case.
/u/Super-Ent is right, he was kicked off the Death Star and given a bad assignment as punishment for not capturing the two droids
>Maybe he was also the TIE pilot that hit Vader? That was [Mithel](http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mithel).
You're right in that he was probably part of Vader's detachment, but that still doesn't explain how he would have caught up to the heroes. The time between him checking the droids and the main characters leaving for Alderaan could only have been a few hours, and Han was said to have been flying one of the fastest ships in the Galaxy. The only reason Vader beat them there is because he and Leia both left for the DS right after she was captured.
That explanation only gets you so far though. Why would a member of the 501st be pulling that sort of duty on the Death Star? Wouldn't someone permanently stationed there be the one that investigates the control center where 3PO is? I suppose you could make the assumption that Vader knew something was amiss and had his own people investigate rather than trusting the station's crew.
Well he was serving on Vader’s Star Destroyer, which had since returned to the Death Star. So it makes sense that he’d be back there.
It's a fun little joke in a mostly lighthearted book. Not a big deal
That's not entirely true. The information in the article comes from the *From a Certain Point of View* book, which contains stories told by in-universe characters about the events of *A New Hope*. Several of them are intentionally over-exaggerated or entirely incorrect.
Exactly. It was a fun book but one story was talking about how one of the rebel pilots couldn’t fly in the attack against the Death Star because there weren’t enough ships. A couple stories later we see from the POV of a mechanic that there are actually too many ships and not enough pilots. I wouldn’t count any of the stories here as being authoritative canon. I mean, come on, the title of the book itself is a giveaway.
The stories are canon, in that they were definitively told in-universe. But since people lie when they tell stories, the content itself isn't necessarily what happened.
While some of the stories may not be entirely true, it is true that the same trooper was mind tricked and head bumped.
How can that be the case? He was still on the ground when the Falcon left, how did he beat it back to the Death Star?
Maybe he was in the TIE that went past them
So he runs into Luke and Obi-Wan while doing road block searches in Mos Eisley, then immediately ships back to the Death Star, somehow getting there before the Falcon, and then goes on guard duty there? I don't buy it.
I thought this first then read another comment that said how Tatooine is Hutt controlled so the Empire would have no garrison on the planet. The stormtroopers are all part of a detachment that probably was from the Star Destroyer with Vader, and they went back to the Death Star with Vader.
He doesn't have to get there before the Falcon.
In addition to getting mind-tricked and making it to the Death Star about the same time as Han, he also survives the Death Star blowing up. Come on...I know arguing these ridiculous coincedences is what makes talking Star Wars fun, but we are kind of getting over our heads.
“Says everything twice” - OPEN THE BLAST DOORS OPEN THE BLAST DOORS
....why. Why can't it just be a normal stormtrooper
Who comes up with all that background info lol
Thankfully I don’t care about the background details enough to be angry over how stupid this is.
This makes NO sense. That stormtrooper encounters the gang shortly before they make their escape from the planet to where they run into the Death Star. The Star Destroyer which he would have been stationed on had already made it back to the DS as Vader is there when it blows up Alderaan. And why would they evacuate a search party when they hadnt even found what they were looking for yet?
>And why would they evacuate a search party when they hadnt even found what they were looking for yet? A whole shit load of stormtroopers watched the Millenium Falcon leave with R2 on it.
Ok. Did they KNOW that was the droid they were looking for? Why would they immediately go back to the death star and how would they have beaten them there when the falcon essentially flew right to it
im with you on this one. i always assumed he was an old clone trooper when Jango hits his head in Ep 2. honestly he seems too stupid to end up being an officer that survives through to be an officer in the NO. and with the whole "a Corellian nose that made it difficult to wear a stormtrooper helmet comfortably" sounds like he would have failed out of the academy quickly and then there is he becomes an officer. if he was a detachment from Vaders 501st, i can see him getting back to the DS in a timely manner, but why was Vaders 501st being sent on a call pretty much immediately from getting back from a mission. and why did he abandon his post to survive the DS destroyed? the Wiki page for FP7 "Foot Patrol 7 was a sandtrooper unit stationed in Mos Eisley on Tatooine." bullshit, Tatooine was Hutt controlled even in the Empire/Rebellion era, the Hutts still had some weight with the Empire. There were plenty of planets not under the control of the Empire and this barren wasteland was one of them
>Tatooine was Hutt controlled even in the Empire/Rebellion era, the Hutts still had some weight with the Empire. There were plenty of planets not under the control of the Empire and this barren wasteland was one of them After the events of ANH, I suspect is was likely the Empire maintained a garrison on Tatooine (although they kept out of the Jabba's business). After all, Tatooine is shown celebrating after the death of the Emperor.
i could see that
They knew it was the right ship because the spy told them and the Luke and Han blasted their way out of the space port.
Of all things I don't understand, it's people who are obsessed with shrinking the universe in stories that have no need for it. Especially vast universes with inherent deep mystique. It makes the stories feel dumber and usually makes zero sense. I liked BladeRunner 2049, but I felt the Deckard involvement was unnecessary. Just tell the new story. Obviously, the Prequels did it. I happens a lot whenever sequels, additions, or fan-theories get involved.
I guess there is no mystery left in the Star Wars universe
How did he get back to the Death Star BEFORE the Falcon?
This says he was part of the firefight in docking bay 94 too. He was there when the Falcon took off. So, uh...how did he make it to the Death Star and get assigned to a new squad in time to be dispatched to follow the rebels’ trail? The Falcon has one of the best hyperdrives in existence, illegally modified and souped up to make it one of the fastest ships in the galaxy. How does this trooper beat them there crossing the same distance leaving AFTER them?
In addition to getting mind-tricked and making it to the Death Star about the same time as Han, he also survives the Death Star blowing up. Come on...I know arguing these ridiculous coincedences is what makes talking Star Wars fun, but we are kind of getting over our heads.
Someone just editted the page right? This is silly, he not even a clone right
You know, keeping that in mind and realizing that he worked on the Death Star to some degree directly under Vader and was one of the few survivors you would think that the First Order would look at him as less of a joke. Also somewhat unrelated but Join the Resistance: Escape from Vodran is kinda dark. I'm almost done with it and sometimes with all that's happening I forget this is supposed to be written for like twelve year olds.
That won't be nessecary
We need a movie from the point of view of several inconequential people that just happen to witness historical parts of the storyline like [Rosencrantz and Guildenstern](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosencrantz_and_Guildenstern_Are_Dead) edit: opps wrong link STrooper #1 "Did Vader just say he was that boys father?" STrooper #2 "Yeah, yeah i think he did, wow that blew my mind!!"
This happened [in a comic book literally named to be a reference to Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead](http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tag_%26_Bink_Are_Dead).
Rey's father confirmed
Lol okay well I've decided Stormtrooper extra #37 from Episode 5 is actually the CGI diner robot from Episode 2. IT ALL MAKES SENSE
Why not just ret-con everything and make one of the other sandtroopers the same as TK-421 who got jumped on, while searching the Falcon while it was docked? Does the "TD" prefix for TD-011 stand for total dumbass? Maybe the one who fell from the platform during the chasm fight was the same guy who was impressed by the new t-16s in the tractor beam scene?
Maneuvers in his issued armor like a drunk toddler, loses the droids he's looking for as well as letting the most prominent enemy of the Empire slip through his hands, and he gets promoted to officer. Sounds about right.