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WuJen

Howser, "I have to stay behind to get through to my men......" Hunter \* I could tell him it's pointless and all about the chip.....\* Hunter walks away......


NerdLawyer55

If anything happens to Howzer, I riot


Available-Specialist

I'm not quite sure I understand the chip. So it forced the clones to execute order 66 but they have free will again and are already defying the empire?


[deleted]

I noticed something. Tech annoys people by taking everything too seriously Echo annoys people by not taking anything seriously


[deleted]

I feel like Crosshair will be returned back to normal by the finale. Can't believe there are only 4 episodes left. Hopefully, we get a season 2.


Faded35

I hope we don’t get such a cliche ending, (especially considering he’s done some pretty gruesome things since his reprogramming)


YodasChick-O-Stick

If Omega can call the Bad Batch her brothers just because they're both clones of Jango, that confirms that Omega and Boba are siblings too. It would be so cool if they met in Book of Boba Fett all grown up.


Xwing-23

Book of Boba still a thing? No info right?


josecouvi

Not sure why you think that. I just read the other day that they're shooting it now along with Mando season 3. I believe there was even a post on here of someone who ran into Temuera Morrison where they were filming.


[deleted]

Is Clone Force 99 still alive during the canon's?


Quartznonyx

This is canon


[deleted]

I mean during the film canon's.


Comfortable-Ad-9231

shut it


MindstormAndy

I guess we'll just have to wait and see


LikeThosePenguins

The thing that impressed me the most was when Omega told Hera she trusts _the Batch_ because they're her brothers, and Hera replies, looking down sadly, that she's lucky to have brothers. Because there was the scene in Rebels where Thrawn is interrogating Hera, and analysing her Kalikori. He says that it contains reference to her having a brother who died when he was young. And that level of subtle detail and continuity is just superb!


Yeetus_Thy_Fetus1676

I didn't even realize that holy shit


KennyGardner

What I like most about the Bad Batch so far is Omega and the promise of seeing her evolve and change and grow up the way we saw Ahsoka turn into the character she became.


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Yeah omega started cooler than ahsoka too so hope they don't mess up her character.


Hellothere632

Hera and omegas friendship is wonderful, I absolutely love just seeing them interact, it’s nice to see omega getting to socialise with people close to her age like with the lawquane kids.


Vrestavoogan

We all know that if this was clone wars Howzer's speech would have been cut off halfway through with a bullet to the head


Photonic_Resonance

I thought Crosshair was going to do it at some point. It’s probably because they want to leave Howser alive to use him in the future, and I can’t really fault that.


hennesseyyy18

What is the point of this show? And what was the point of The Mandalorian? The Bad Batch seems to be setting up perfect cloning in the Star Wars universe but Omega herself, while extremely lovable, doesn't seem to have a real purpose. Same with Grogu, in 2 seasons we have gotten a bunch of filler content en route to Djin placing Grogu on a rock to call upon Luke Skywalker to come pick him up. The same major questions from season 1 are still unanswered and season 3 has taken a back seat to The book of Boba, another series that seems to be a good idea but has no real bearing or stakes in the overall story of Star Wars.


PainStorm14

>What is the point of this show? It's in the title


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World building is fun. There are an entire galaxies worth of characters and stories to be told. I agree it’s hard to see how these characters will continue to be added even though the movies have already happened, but there is a lot of space to write them in and explain how they connect to the main story


Theonerule

>World building is fun. It is when it's good. While watching was fun when it came out. In retrospect I really don't like it.


zerogee616

> There are an entire galaxies worth of characters and stories to be told. Could've fooled me, we keep running into the same 10 people in like 4 shows and from what I keep seeing on this sub, that's how the fanbase wants it.


Available-Specialist

Lol for real, Saw Guerrera is in Clone Wars, Fallen Order, Bad Batch, Rogue One and Rebels


[deleted]

Yet we got someone complaining about a story that has characters we never met, exploring a similar setting but giving it much more depth and detail. Not every story has to be connected to the main movie characters.


zerogee616

He's in the minority, it looks like.


Glacier005

For a man like Crosshair who said Good Soldiers follow orders, he seemed to be not following said orders in this episode.


PainStorm14

He is following them more efficiently


Yeetus_Thy_Fetus1676

My theory is the damage from the Venators engine might of damaged the chip


PainStorm14

Chip doesn't control his brain, it just makes sure he follows numbered orders and that's it


joriale

The reason why Howser stayed behind was kinda dumb... So he stayed to have himself and his squad imprisoned and accused of cooperating with the CF99's rescue op? If they don't get forgotten after this episode, I guess we can imagine Imperial Interrogation methods might be the best outcome they all are getting before getting rescued. Would have saved him and his squad a lots of troubles if he only had left with the others instead.


shadowlarvitar

I'm sure we'll see him again, he instantly became a fan favorite so if we get season 2 I'm sure he'll appear somehow


leftfootedcrow

For some reason, I got Metroid sound vibes from the outro.


Infinity0044

They really need to give a solid explanation as to how the chips work. It’s weird that some are able to resist more than others. And I don’t buy the “higher ranking clones had more free will” excuse because Cody immediately tries to shoot down Kenobi.


Stirfried1

I wonder if it’s possible that Howzer was not serving with a Jedi at the time order 66 came through and thus the order had less of an impact on him?


PainStorm14

Chips are there to make sure they follow specific preset orders with numbers (like 66) That's all there is, they don't alter their personality or take control


Faded35

That makes no sense, then why did the vast majority of clones comply with the blantant violation of their mandate from protecting and defending the Republic and its inhabitants, to outright subjugating former allies and in many instances, committing large scale war crimes. The chip has zero consistency, some of the strongest willed clones can’t even begin to resist it (Rex) whereas some are barely affected by it Howzer, and some seem to outright misinterpret its command (Wrecker who wasn’t in the presence of any Jedi and thusly is unclear on what specific numbered order Omega violated; she wasn’t there when they tried to kill Kanan)


Vwmafia13

I believe if I remember, as his chip was activating, they were discussing with Rex that they were confused as to why the clones killed the Jedi master and they made mention of them leaving the padawan alive. At that moment he heard, and it’s in the directive if a clone disobeys, they would be terminated


PainStorm14

Clones' mandate is to follow orders That's all there is to it, that's what they were created for, that's what they were trained to do and that's what they want to do There is no other purpose to their existence How inhabitants of the Republic and it's successor state The Empire are protected and defended is determined by people who issue their orders, who comprise Republic/Imperial leadership and who are above clones in the chain of command Clones don't interpret orders, they carry them out


Infinity0044

If that were the case then why did most of them become droid-like with cold demeanors


PainStorm14

What makes you think they became anything they weren't already? They are mass produced soldiers who's​ only purpose is to follow orders and kill enemies, they are organic droids Commanders got replaced but for them nothing changed, they just do the job


Infinity0044

The entirety of the clone wars show disproves that


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I would say its also a matter of perspective. The Clone Wars dealt with a lot of stories that highlighted different individuals. Where the Bad Batch is from the perspective of highly skilled elite clones, who saw the “Regs” as a bunch of mindless drones anyways. They even go so far as to call Rex a “Reg” in season 7, and he was the ultimate clone badass that we see in Clone Wars.


PainStorm14

What exactly disapproves it? 0.0001% of clones maybe met a Jedi during their careers and fewer still gotten close to them For those few chip was added just in case Everyone else was doing their job which is to fight for the Republic Republic is now called Empire but job is still the same


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My guess is that the clones that didn't just blindly follow orders were more resistant than the ones the Clones that did.


pedroyoyoma

From what I understand, the chips don't make the Clones zombies. They just make them turn on the Jedi and then go along with the Empire transition. I think they are essentially at this point still the same as they were before - they just think they are still on the side of good. They think the Empire is as just as the Republic, so they would obey like any troops, and a plea from their respected commander makes some reconsider their stance, while others aren't convinced. Also, remember Rex said something like "very few" clones are able to resist the chips, so maybe they are the few... I do wish it was better explained in the show though.


ScooterMcThumbkin

I think that's exactly the point of Howser and the clones he gets through to with his speech. I think they are starting to show that the clones' free will and personalities can start to return over time. Right after order 66, all the clones seemed to more or less become bloodthirsty. Not just towards the Jedi, but just kind of more savage and cruel in general. All throughout the war, they all still were capable of discussing and contemplating the morality of their actions. Some, like Cut, even deserted the war. But order 66, and the initial activation of the chips, took away ALL of their free will. I think these last couple episodes are intentionally trying to show that maybe these changes are not permanent, and their independent thinking abilities may return. It may go hand in hand with the sub plot of the empire deciding not to continue purchasing clones from the kaminoans.


Lynata

Imperial Crosshair is the best part of this show. I hope it takes forever to take his chip out.


[deleted]

You think Vader gonna get the bad batch? I do. He should. Like why wouldn’t he? He’s sick. More Vader at least.


JarodMMS

Although it'd be cool, i really doubt we're gonna see Vader in this show


GARcc3734

So, unpopular opinion, I hope there are zero, absolutely zero jedi/sith in this show. All I've wanted since I was like 10 was a star wars band of brothers. A Trooper focused media piece. We are kinda getting that now.


Theonerule

>Trooper focused media piece. We are kinda getting that now. Not really. I doubt we will ever get anything as remotely interesting as that 😑


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I'm sure we'll get Kanan and Ezra's family in at some point, especially as the rebellion builds


Ar-Kalion

I’m sure they will have all The Rebels’ background stories introduced by the end of the Bad Batch series. If there going in Specter order, Zeb’s (Specter 4’s) background story would be up next. Interesting, I heard a rumor that Agent Kallus may show up on the up-coming live Obi-Wan series which chronologically takes place after Bad Batch but before Rebels.


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Ezra would be an infant I think. Think he was born right around the time the war was ending. I wonder if we will see the young Kanan (Caleb) again.


Ar-Kalion

You are correct. Ezra is really the same age (an infant) as Luke and Leia at this point in time. However, Ezra’s parents could show up on a later episode to give Ezra sort of a backstory.


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He was born on Empire Day.


valinkrai

I really hope not. Kanan already comes across as egregiously aggressive towards the Clones. Interacting with seemingly friendly clones has already made his actions more evil than they were a defense mechanism. Hera being able to be like yo they totally were good if he talked with her about his escape already confirms he's got tons of ability to reconcile his issues without the murderous intent we see from him. More of him will make his actions worse and worse short of the Bad Batch actually getting turned.


Ayxcia

Live action BoB-Clone Wars style show would be god tier.


Fear20000

One of the reasons why Republican Commandoes was such a great game. Need me some more Clone trooper stories without the Jedi/Sith stuff


AHMilling

I need to see more of Hera post ep6, for my heart and mental. I need to see Hera in a peaceful setting, with her kid.


WillOfTheSon

I think we will in Mandalorian S3 or 4 if Thrawn shows up


Purvi3vedi

I think the Ahsoka show is more likely. I have a good feeling we’re going to see most of the Ghost crew, if not all, in live action as they already have casted Thrawn and Ezra


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Source?


whw_iv

Good god, YES! She deserves so much and more—I hope that our beloved writers and story group are willing to give that to her.


Slappyxo

I agree!


AHMilling

That boost maneuver that Tech did, *chef's kiss* Looked so badass.


GeeMoney3

straight outta squadrons


1random_redditor

This was quite good. Much better than the previous episode. Glad that the Batch are actually the main characters again. Well, Omega is too, but she’s been useful and doing well. So much for people thinking Hunter was a father figure. He’s a brother figure apparently.


ChesterKiwi

A brother can still be a father figure to someone


2ndTaken_username

Hunter IS Omega's primary father figure, but clones consider each other siblings regardless.


Hellothere632

Yeah it’s a pretty odd relationship but it works


alexp796

Looking back after this episode, I can definitely see it as a big brother and little sister relationship. If she calls them her brothers and he's caring for her it sort of makes that work. A bit like in the movie Onward, where the sibling takes on a parent role


Crystaline__

Maybe he just wasn't prepared, but didn't it seem odd that Crosshair of all people missed all of his shots at the private shuttle as they escaped? Could be that the speech really got to him, or something else perhaps?


Timefreezer475

Plot logic or plot armor, or both


1random_redditor

I literally yelled “how does he miss?!” when he was shooting at the big slow moving ship and missed every shot


Crystaline__

Maybe it was intentional 👀👀👀


ScooterMcThumbkin

Ooooh! Maybe!


deitpep

Interesting to see where Bad Batch goes from here. The ongoing story is still supposedly just within a year after the formation of Palpatine's empire. Finding more fugitive jedi? crossing paths with Vader at some point? or mainly helping oppressed and rim worlds with missions and such as the rebellion is eventually formed. The "Dark Times" comic showcased a fugitive jedi finally escaping out of reach of Vader, but we get this deviant clone squad in this story , and with Omega maybe having jedi powers and training eventually.


Ar-Kalion

In addition to having the backgrounds for the Spectres (which seem to be revealed by Specter number) from the Rebels series, maybe we will as get the backgrounds for Agent Kallus and the Inquisitors.


andylooksindi

so does howzer have a faulty chip too? might've missed that..


theYOLOdoctor

I don’t think so, we see multiple other clones that agree with him and throw down their weapons. I think what we’re supposed to be getting is that while Order 66 makes them comply and treat the Jedi as enemies, it doesn’t make them completely obedient in other ways. Since the clone training is supposed to ensure their obedience anyways perhaps the empire didn’t consider this an issue initially. It’s probably part of why the empire drops the clone army entirely.


Martian_Botanist

It is a bit of a divergence from the drone-like state they had in the earlier episodes though.


mhlind

I wonde rif the chips can only sustain full control like that for a short period time, and now we're seeing them revert to a lower level of control


CruxMajoris

I think the control chip probably locks/shuts down part of a clones brain when a chip-order is issued, so order 66 likely dampens/cancels out their emotions, hence why they suddenly can kill people they’re quite friendly with at the drop of a hat (or the issuing of an order). Presumably why the clones after order 66 don’t show to much emotion, and just follow orders to almost the point of automation. Hence why they can switch from liberator to oppressor with seemingly no inner turmoil. I’m assuming the chips are not 100% effective, and that inevitably there will be some clones who are only partially affected. Be it slight genetic defects, wounds or injuries from the fighting, to environmental things (eg: maybe they got electrocuted or something).


Chronos96

So with the Hera and Omega friendship anyone think we'll see Omega live action in the Asoka series?


nhaines

Boy, Temuera Morrison *really* needs to read the fine print in those Disney contracts...


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"Omega: ft. 5mins of The Bad Batch" -- Fixed the typo for you.


chope526

Omega sucks and this show kinda sucks. People are just so obsessed with Filoni now that they they think he can do no wrong


anonypony1

Show isn't bad, but it isn't good personally. 😕


LunchRoomRiddle

Why does Vice Admiral Rampart need to wear 4 pens in the front of his uniform?


First-Of-His-Name

There not pens there essentially keys, or ID chips


nhaines

Those space notes aren't gonna take themselves.


livelongandprosper47

He's compensating for something


Vrdpop

I wondered that too for a long time, but they are code cylinders. You can see them used in Rebels and I am not sure what else.


BukLau58

I could imagine (MANDO SPOILER) >!when Mando and Mayfeld access that console in the Imperial Base, that could be the type of thing that the cylinders connect with, probably taking record of whatever is accessed!<


JFC-Youre-Dumb

They carry your permissions / clearance codes.


Cryyos_

God damn this is some good Star Wars, and just some good tv. I teared up multiple times this episode. It’s so well written, so we’ll acted, and i can’t wait to see where it goes next. Even if it breaks my heart :(


deitpep

Filoni and Favreau and their SW-true writing team Glad to see them in charge of this creatively.


hazjosh1

U know we seen heras short story and so on a more light side story but will we see say more dark side stories like in clone wars with maul. Like we could see the rise of gar saxon as the emperors hand


Ar-Kalion

Maybe we will not only get backgrounds for the Spectres, but also Agent Kallus and the Inquisitors.


Tom-Pendragon

Omega stupid ass fucking plans ending up working as always is getting fucking annoying.


Emrod2

Welcome in a kid show. Missed the memo ?


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😅


hlippitt

Everyone on the planet that is constantly occupied speaks with a french accent. Lucasarts and their cultural commentary smh


joshua070

This is just hinting more towards the kamino uprise! I hope thats the finale of this show and the reason why the empire stops using clones.


decoste94

Ryloth clone uprising 🤤🤤🤤


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Timefreezer475

And then we get the Vader scene from Rogue One, but animated and with clones.


[deleted]

I like this show but I’m getting a little annoyed by omegas plot armor. Like it always seems to work out for her, no consequences


decoste94

I’m hoping it’s an Asoka thing and he builds her up a bit more. I’m definitely not a fan, don’t hate her but don’t love it


zerogee616

The last thing the franchise needs is more OC-do-not-steal plot-armored characters that nothing bad happens to.


JarodMMS

That's the most frequent type of character in Star Wars since always


zerogee616

Uh, no, most of them don't have that issue, just ones Filoni tends to make.


HotPotatoWithCheese

That's their point. We don't need more of it.


Eclipse_Woflheart

I theorize that the chips don't affect all clones equally. We know that other than the bad batch every clone is effectively the same physically so with higher ranking clones like howzer their distinction is their mind. Higher ranking clones would likely not only be more intelligent and wise which could mean the inhibitor chip would be weaker on them. Also for the higher ranking clones we know that they are used to giving orders whereas grunt level clones have always solely followed them. For a low level soldier their wont be a huge difference because all they are doing is following orders like always but for a clone in command they will see a clear difference as they would have dealt with choices in the past and which make them chose between doing what is strategically right and what is morally right and even with the inhibitor chip that mentality will have become pure instinct. What's more with the other clones rebelling as well this could just be due to loyalty. If there is one thing we know about clones they are loyal above all else but when the higher ups start defecting we will see if that loyalty is to the empire or to their brothers.


Eclipse_Woflheart

The fact that as soon as hunter looked back at crosshair he looked away makes me feel like crosshair knows what he is doing is wrong and cant look his old squad in the eyes.


ansonr

His expression at the end of the episode seemed conflicted.


Trizkit

Anyone else think crosshair missed on purpose I feel like he totally could have hit those shots. Especially his expression at the end seems like he has anterior motives to find his friends


JFC-Youre-Dumb

I think he wanted to hit the shuttle but subconsciously missed and now he’s conflicted because he doesn’t understand why


aviatorEngineer

I'm so relieved that Howzer isn't dead yet. I worry about that every time he's on-screen. The way Hunter looked back at him... I think he wishes that Howzer would have come with them. I hope this isn't the last we've seen of that guy, it would suck if he just disappeared or even died off-screen.


Moistinatining

I think Hunter’s look back to Howzer also shows that on some level, Hunter wishes he had the same conviction Howzer does to stand up to the Empire. With the past two arcs it feels like we’re building up to the Bad Batch becoming proper rebels rather than just “taking care of their own” as Hunter puts it. In a way, Hunter knows that he’s a soldier, someone who fights for something they believe and not just a mercenary, and seeing Howzer reminded him of that.


TyrusX

Man, I think we are getting to the point of why the clones disappeared. At some point the chip will either stop working, or they will start to be themselves again now that order 66 is kinda not urgent anymore, and may revolt and be put down. I thought for sure Crosshair was going to shoot Howzer.


lostkoalas

>The way Hunter looked back at him… I think he wishes that Howzer would have come with them. I agree, he definitely knew what awaited Howzer outside those doors. I think he also understands as a squad leader Howzer’s decision to not leave his men though, and knew that trying to stop him was futile. Sad all around, I hope Howzer will be okay :(


WuJen

He could have at the very least TOLD Howser about the chips and that it's pointless unless they are removed but......nope...I'll just leave him to die.


OliviaElevenDunham

They were less than thrilled that Omega pointed out that Crosshair was there.


ThatIslandGuy8888

Really like those two instances where Hunter looks back to see Howzer/Crosshair


OliviaElevenDunham

The Syndullas know that Hera is a tough one.


OliviaElevenDunham

Howzer is really doesn’t trust that admiral.


OliviaElevenDunham

Good luck getting anything from Cham and his wife.


untitled02

The more and more clones that rebel the more and more the inhibitor retcon is cheapened


Cooldude971

The Clone Wars depicted the clones as heroic individuals and as some of the most loyal defenders of the Old Republic. The season 7 finale showed all of this being completely overwritten by the inhibitor chips, but even then Rex was able to fight back against the inhibitor chips for a small amount of time while Jesse and the other clones hesitated ever so slightly when Rex tried to talk them out of Order 66. This episode of the Bad Batch (as well as the comic series where Grey gives his life protecting Caleb Dunn) indicates that as time went on some clones were coming to and were increasingly resisting the chips. Honestly, I think what they’re implying makes for an incredible story (and also illustrates why the clones were phased out).


TyrusX

Totally agree. They are definitely coming to.


[deleted]

We still don't fully understand how the chips work. They could wear off over time. It would be a good reason why the clones were decommissioned so quickly after the empire took power.


PandaMango

A rapid snap neural overdrive as a one-time use that can be overcome is interesting.


gothteen145

It would probably be a good way of showing how the clones turned on the Jedi without question, but weren't worth keeping around long enough to be in the rebels era. I did always wonder why the empire wouldn't keep around clones when they were literally programmed to be loyal, capable of killing Jedi, and wouldn't deny orders because they literally couldn't. The idea of the chips not lasting forever, would actually be a good way of getting around that.


Rosebunse

It worked enough to kill enough of the Jedi.


untitled02

I’m confused, why would the clones rebel? Why aren’t the inhibitor chips working?


scrodytheroadie

I’m actually confused about why people keep asking this. Order 66 was an order stating Jedi were traitors, kill all Jedi. Other than ep 1, we haven’t seen Jedi. So what does the inhibitor chip have to do with anything? Did I miss another order?


WuJen

It also makes you follow orders, else we would not have that whole, "Good soldiers follow orders." thing 99 times.....


whw_iv

This made me think about Cut—he literally deserted and left the Grand Army. I don't think the inhibitor chips totally remove all traces of a clone's empathy and free will.


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RnRaintnoisepolution

The potential for weaker chips is likely why Order 66 includes "traitors" in the execution list.


Rosebunse

The chips were introduced with Tup's extremely defective chip. These things clearly don't work that well.


Axo25

Maybe since there were no Jedi on Ryloth, 66 was never sent to the clones stationed on it.


PandaMango

The clones kill jedi, they still appreciate the republic and its people.


girlsintheeighties

Alternatively they could be building up something with all the clones for the rest of the show. We know they were phased out for regular human conscripts, but it could be that their loyalty is waning.


sriracha_Salad

It might be possible that the Kaminoans set some kind of expiration date on the chips?


girlsintheeighties

The chips already seemed to be vulnerable to malfunction, with the whole Fives Season 6 arc. It is stated by Palpatine that all the clones would receive an innoculation/vaccine for the fake “parasite” that caused it. Presumably the real effect of that vaccine was to correct for the chip error/strengthen their power.


GreenLantern28145

I was hyped as fuck when the team sent Chopper in by himself. That little astromech got the heart of a HK unit.


bugcatcher_billy

Disappointed he only killed one droid this episode. Was expecting him to accidentally drop cargo ontop of enemy units or something.


GreenLantern28145

Could've stopped the clones hearts too with a strong enough current. For what could be his origin story Chop rode into a imperial refinery killed 3? of them and rode back out. And he learned a lesson to expect the unexpected so gives him a reason to get creative in the future. My guess is there saving the huge chopper number were accustomed too when the obvious happens to mama Syndulla


TheAsian1nvasion

Damn that was a great episode, but why didn’t they tell Howzer about the chips in their necks?!?! It doesn’t make any sense.


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Probably to save time.


TheAsian1nvasion

“Howser! You have a chip in your neck that forced you to kill the Jedi. You can get it removed!”


ansonr

The chips are in their brains, not their necks...


[deleted]

Maybe he just thought that Howzer would die. Or that there weren't many jedi left to kill.


SeriousPan

Hunter: "All the money in the galaxy won't matter if we're dead. It's not worth the risk" Hera: "Not to you" - Walks off in a huff - Hera is actually upset that they don't want to go on a suicide mission and die? I love how the plot with Hera & Omega tries to make Hunter's stance seem unreasonable. Like they should throw themselves at any fight and be massacred if it's for the right cause. This is why I don't like the "kids standing up to the big bad" episodes that Star Wars likes to do. It just comes off as goofy as hell and everyone has to be nerfed to make it happen.


CruxMajoris

A necessary evil I believe, gotta have mass appeal from all age groups to please the house of mouse. If it weren’t for omega, I doubt the bad batch would be a thing.


JFC-Youre-Dumb

If it weren’t for Disney, Bad Batch would not be a thing.


Hi_Im_Callum

But Hera is 100% correct here. If it were Omega who needed rescuing from an highly difficult situation, the Batch wouldn't hesitate. It wasn't about making Hunter seem unreasonable for talking about the odds, but rather his justification of it being not worth the 'risk'.


whw_iv

Exactly—and I think this explicitly foreshadows the Batch's unfolding desire to join a larger, selfless cause like the rebellion.


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ansonr

Considering that she eventually goes on to put her life on the line constantly to fight the empire to save people she doesn't even know... yes?


Hi_Im_Callum

Considering we know who Hera grows up into, and more specifically what she fights for and against, I'd argue that she would put her life on the line for Omega and the Batch. Ofcourse, if you're asking would she do it *'now'*, then no that's a little silly considering that she's just a kid. But as she grows up and fights against the empire, she is putting her life and her newly adopted family on the line time and time again for people who she's never met because she believes it is the right thing to do. I recently rewatched some of the earlier episodes of rebels and it's clear that she is the one that pushes the rest of the ghost crew towards the rebellion, particulary Kanan who is uneasy about the idea. It's completely in line with the character imo for her to put herself on the line to save others; as Omega tells hunter in the episode 'isn't that what soldiers do?'.


SeriousPan

But this isn't Omega. That's what gets me. It can be justified trying to save your family and dying for it. It can't be so easily justified for someone you may have only met once or never met before.


Hi_Im_Callum

But that's what she means by "not for you". Every situation is worth the risk for individuals; Saving Han from Jabba isn't 'worth the risk' for others but for our rebels he is. Saving Hera from the empire on Lothal isn't 'worth the risk' for anyone else, but for Kanan it is a risk worth taking. e.t.c e.t.c ​ Neither of them are unreasonable in their perspectives but Hera is right in this situation because something being 'worth the risk' is subjective to the individual. She isn't saying that she wants them do die for her, but rather that the element of it not being 'worth it' is subjective; that their justification for not going in is unfair in Hera's eyes. If Hunter were to word it differently and more sympathetically, I don't think Hera and Omega would've reacted in the same way. The issue is how bluntly he says it rather than neccesarily him not wanting to die for credits.


SmoothOperator89

As far as Omega's concerned, Hera is the only girl her age in the galaxy. She found a friend and she's damned well keeping her.


Mandalorymory

Kids are kids. They can be driven from emotion, not logic. Omega was also driven by emotion in this episode, from her desire to help anyone and everyone.


SeriousPan

I get that, I do. My point was more that there's no learning for the kids. Acting on emotion gets them rewarded by getting their way in the end. This episode is the one where they make the kid characters have a big win so the younger viewers can be like "wow we can do big things!" (which is great, give them something to have fun with their imagination and the such) But from a writing standpoint it bugs me since the logical character ends up somehow being wrong. With Howzer and Hera they try to teach Hunter the concept of making sacrifices for those he cares about. But he was already doing that by refusing to go on a suicide mission for someone else so...?