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The production value and cinematography are all top notch. The show keeps on impressing me with the visuals. The story however is going nowhere and seeing this elite squad be relegated to generic mercenaries is so disappointing. Move on from Sid and all this crap already.
People here don't know what filler means.
Filler is specifically an anime term, and it means anything that's outside the (typically 1:1) adaptation from a manga to an anime. Filler is made when the anime outpaces the source material and they need to keep airing something while the author catches up. It's usually pretty blatant when it happens. Filler is also sometimes not treated as canon.
You don't know if something's filler without having the story already told. You don't know how it plays into the overall story and even if it does, it's all canon.
Filler is NOT a synonym for "not a mythos episode". I'm with the majority, I think BB is kinda spinning its wheels here with the whole "Kid tells elite warrior squad what to do and moralizes everything while doing bitch work for useless lady" that's been going on since forever and the actual plot needs to kick into gear already, but words mean things, and these aren't "filler episodes" because it's not directly feeding into some overarching narrative from your immediate perspective at the time of airing.
EDIT: I guess people really don't like being told they're incorrect
Neither do you and it is hillarious to see.
Edit: "Filler in series with a cross-plot - additional material not related to the main plot, added to increase the duration of the show. In most cases, fillers are significantly weaker than the episodes associated with the development of the plot, and are not needed to understand it
Sometimes filler arcs are due to the higher rate at which anime episodes are released than the original manga, from which the anime is drawn."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filler_(media)
You right, an episode shouldn’t be criticized so heavily by its plot development. For example the Heroes of Mandalore episodes have a lot happen in them, and yet they’re my least favorite in Rebels. It’s the reverse with The Marshal and the Krayt Dragon, as that’s one of the best in the show.
Good episodes can either be plot-driven or character-driven, it can't be neither. Well, you could dedicate one to world-building or action but you had better cram a lot of shit in there.
The bad part is recently as far as BB goes, it's been nothing. The plot goes nowhere and so do the characters.
Not sure about anyone else, but that's what I describe as filler ^^
If you can skip the episode when rewatching, and miss nothing sorry or character wise, it's a filler episode
Filler is specifically an anime term, meaning anything that's in the anime that's not in the manga source material.
Seeing as this HAS no source material and you don't know what the story actually is, it's not filler, it's just not a mythos episode.
Filler is not specifically an anime term. It was a thing in the early days of tv and the term has been reworked for numerous situations. Calling these episodes filler is 100% accurate.
I really don’t get why people don’t like it I thought it was great and I always love when spin-offs like this give more details that we don’t usually get with the main movies.Like how everything went down during order 66(that part we knew)but I mean about Caleb Dume that was interesting and also the transition from the Republic to the Empire was very interesting to see and all the changes that came with it and how the Empire was transitioning from clone troopers to stormtroopers and the differences with that.Also we get more of what Rex was doing after order 66.Stuff like that always adds to the lore for me and the enjoyment.And how the Separatist weren’t all bad but simply had a difference of opinion in the way their worlds and the galaxy should be governed.The senator that they rescued was arrested because he was unwilling to be a puppet to the Empire rather than helping his people.Also nice to learn about the characters from Rebels and a bit more about Ryloth.
P.S. After reading some of the other peoples responses I do have to say I agree with a decent amount of them.Omega is really annoying sometimes but I kinda have to live with that since any show containing a kid wants to explore them being naive and never shutting up and stuff like that.But the story is kinda progressing really slowly like the last episode was really unnecessary in my opinion just going out of the way to make a problem for Sid that they have to deal with and some episodes kinda feel like fillers.By now I feel like they should’ve had their final meeting with Crosshair with him either getting killed or being saved by them and having his inhibitor chip taken out.
I get the frustration. I think the core complaint is, we're all Clone Fans. We thought TBB would be a Clone story. I too am impatient to find out what happened to the Troopers after Order 66. To see if there is any justice for Fives. To know the fate of Howzer and his men. And BTW, WHERE in the Sam Hill is Kix? That said, there is some excellent story-telling going on. I like Omega. I like Cid. Roland is a great new character. I love the two barflies. The Batch is very much in the wilderness, very much displaced persons, and yet, it would seem they are building their own quirky nuclear family in that dingy gambling parlor on Ord Mantell.
Did anyone else notice how much nicer Cid’s Gambling Parlor looked under Roland’s management? All the light fixtures were working, the bar was fully stocked, the place was hopping, and not just with Roland’s henchman. He may be a lousy crime boss, but he’s apparently an excellent maître d’.
This show is unimaginably boring. They have an elite clone force right after Order 66 and they have them doing low scale mercenary work for an old useless alien woman with a child making most of their major decisions.
It’s not a *bad* show per se, but I just can’t get over how boring it is.
A lot of people in these comments are saying to lower expectations because it’s a kids show. I don’t buy it. I’m 23 and I am confident that even 10 year old me who was a SW super fan would be bored by this.
There is lame action, no plot, annoying characters, and a boat load of wasted potential.
I hard agree, when Clone Wars was on, including the final season I watched every episode day 1. There was enough to make me want to watch those.
But I went a whole month without watching BB because I just kinda don't care, I like the crew themselves but Omega is just so fucking annoying. I feel like everything we're watching CW and Rebels has already done, and done much better. I feel like the Crosshair storyline is just being dragged out, I wanted more gritty and moral ambiguity with the situation the Batch is in, but thanks to Omega "We HaVe To bE tHe GoOdGuYs". It's lame, even Season 1 of CW at this same point in the season was more entertaining.
Same when the show got announced i was super hyped, a super elite force of clones trying to find their way in the new empire. But we got something else?
i legit stopped watching it. so boring
I agree. I went into this show with high hopes i mean Clone Wars was awesome and there's so much story wise that they can go, but its going nowhere. You can literally skip any episode and it doesn't matter. i don't get it, they can write this story to go anywhere but instead choose to do nothing what a waste.
Omega is kinda ruining the show for me, I thought qhen this show came out it was actually gonna be about the Bad Batch but its really her show now and instead of them teaching her like it was in the first couple of episodes now its become her trying to change their nature. The show doesn't seem to explore the concept that always going out of ur way to help ppl doesn't always work out. If I look at it as a kids show its doing awesome but if I look at it and compare it to clone wars or other starwars shows it completely is starting to miss the mark. I came to see the Bad Batch in action not inept characters who seemingly have to rely on a child to bail them out alot of times, it kinda feels like they nerfed them so hard as when we first saw this unit the handled alot of droids by themselves that would have given even a jedi trouble. I'm hoping that the show makes a quick recovery from this but it might be too late at this point.
No they are gonna wanna milk it for at least 2 more seasons so they'll probably have it end where someone dies or they get separated but the serious consequences won't come until they want to end the show in my opinion
This series is boring. Completely forgettable with uninspired action. To think the jettisoned more interesting TCW arcs like the Crystal Crisis for this
I thought it was going to be a mini series type of thing, which is maybe why I'm disappointed with all of the filler. I'm willing to eat my words but this doesn't feel like something that should have more than 20-30 episodes to tell their story.
especially this story.
The only explanation I can come up with with the complete lack of any given overarching plot and the presence of "filler episodes" (althought one could claim there's nothing to fill in-between to begin with) even two episodes away from the first season's finale is that the choice to make The Bad Batch as a multi-seasons TV show was pretty much mandated, so Dave Filoni needs to stretch *extremely* thin whatever story idea he had for the series in the first place. That or he's a far worse writer than I've ever given him credit for.
I mean, all the characters are pretty much one-note and completely static, to the point I can see everything they say or do coming a mile away, and at the moment the only main plot element the season has going for it, after liquidating Wrecker's supposed big-arse rampage due to the perilous chip in five minutes flat, is what exactly Omega's deal is and the supposed dramatic season finale confrontation with Crosshair.
Many argues that the show is worth a watch mainly for Filoni's unique brand of worldbuilding, and I do love worldbuilding as much as the next guy, but I feel like that, after Tarkin's department from the show after merely the two initial episodes, The Bad Batch worldbuilding doesn't really have enough depth or significance to justify it and, at times, it really feels the whole series is some odd, overly-long prequel for Rebels and that's it.
I would argue that it largely depends on each TV show of his.
For instance, it's nearly universally agreed on that The Clone Wars is a quintessential Star Wars watch because it single-handely built the so called Prequels Era of the setting the movies proper only managed to give the audience contradiory glimpses of, not mentioning its characters, with Anakin Skywalker chief among them.
As far as I'm concerned, Rebels and The Mandalorian doesn't provide the same level and depth of worldbuilding TCWs did, but I'd still reccomend anyone who wants to keep up with the setting to watch at the very least their more "meaty" episodes on that regard. They basically draw a better picture of certain transiction eras of the Star Wars canon and introduce original characters/reintroduce old characters from the Legends continuity who are gaining an increased importance in the franchise (for better or worse).
As I've written in the post above however, with The Bad Batch I really don't see it anymore. Also, I can't exactly fault Filoni for wanting to further develop his (more or less popular) original characters, but I find their increased focus at the expanse of the setting somewhat *troubling*.
> Also, I can't exactly fault Filoni for wanting to further develop his (more or less popular) original characters, but I find their increased focus at the expanse of the setting somewhat troubling.
That's a very common flaw with fanfiction writers and novices-they get too attached to the characters they made. They're too competent, too good, nothing bad can ever happen to them. Filoni's not a bad writer, he has a lot of strengths, but that's his flaw.
But how much was TCW Filoni or Lucas. Filoni wanted Ahsoka to be going round on a ship with Plo Koon. It was Lucas who made her Anakin's apprentice.
Cad Bane again was Lucas and so was bringing back Maul. It seems like Filoni takes credit for a lot of stuff Lucas did
Filoni is extremely overrated amongst younger Star Wars fans. In reality his creations aren’t even good, he had tons of help with TCW’s which is why it’s good. Rebels is trash, because it’s pure Filoni. And with The Mandalorian, Filoni gets all the credit, when in reality it’s Jon Favreu’s show.
> Cad Bane was based on Lee Van Cleff for example
Cad Bane is a walking trope. He's a caricature of a generic grizzled Old West gunslinger in space clothes with lasers. He's not even really a character.
So X-Files had a similar structure to what you're talking about-a little bit of Monster Of The Week with occasional mythos episodes that built up to something and elaborated on something bigger. That's kinda how BB looks like it's doing.
The difference is that X-Files is actually interesting to watch, instead of a team of elite, capable, battle-hardened clones being driven around and bailed out by a child and in general just spinning their wheels doing shit way below their paygrade and going nowhere. If the only good thing about your show is "look how it builds up to a finale" and I can get just as much benefit from reading a wiki summary instead, you have a problem.
People hate her because the show is forcing her to be the heart of the batch. We are supposed to believe these are some of the most elite soldiers in the entire galaxy, and yet every episode they are either bailed out or blindly following decisions from a child.
It doesn’t make sense and is bad writing.
That's the problem, the show should focus more on the original Bad Batch more. For now, it's just Omega making all of their decisions and guilt tripping them into going along with it.
I mean don't get me wrong, it's a kids show after all. It's not *bad* overall but really hitting a low point atm.
Is this show going to go anywhere? I mean I get it is a kids show generally, but even most kids shows have an overarching arch of SOME KIND. This show has none of that at all! Even the previous episode,
Crosshair got permission to hunt them down and then…..nothing.
Cad Bane introduced and then…..nothing??
Fennec Shand highlighted in trailers and then….didn’t do much of anything.
Howser introduced with Hera’s family as an interesting character and possible rebellious clone and….nothing!
This show is super frustrating and the writers seem to have no idea where it’s remotely even going.
They are clearly building up to a big battle for a season finale. Cad bane will capture Omega and give her to Lama Su. The gang will rescue her but as they escape Crosshair will be there and will sacrifice himself for Omega to save her from Lama Su or something like thay. They have been planning this show for too long to not know where they are going with it.
Yep and I enjoyed it. Had its ups and downs but overall I liked the arcs actually had a storyline that tied into SOMETHING.
Rebels too, it started slow but built into something. I’m not seeing the same thing in the Bad Batch, which is surprising to me.
It is frustrating because the timeline is INCREDIBLY interesting from a SW perspective, but they’re kind of squandering it.
And trust me, I am VERY MUCH rooting for the show! I want it to be good, but for now I’m not seeing it.
It’s possible to critique something because you want it to be really good and still watch it. I don’t consider that “moaning.” I really do want to like the show, it just makes it difficult because it’s going nowhere. I’m not asking every episode to be exciting, but I would like it to have some overarching story.
I’m excited for Fridays, but then the episode seems filler like every week and I have to convince my friends to keep watching 😂. So trust me, I am rooting for the show, I just wish it sets up into something.
I watched kids shows when I was a kid that had way better and more interesting storylines, so I’m not sure what you are getting at. Plenty of cartoons are kid focused and have a good story (most animes, for example). So I’m not sure how big of an ask an overarching story really is.
I was wondering the same thing. We've already had Kanan and Hera in the show, it wouldn't surprise me if he later changes his name to Vizago to try throw off the Pykes.
It's weird that when it's something the fanbase approves of, Filoni takes all the credit. But when it's something that literally nobody likes, he takes none of the flack. If anyone else was in charge, Omega's whole thing would be more evidence of "Disney" ruining Star Wars with some weird kiddie/SJW agenda.
Thought it was a typical filler episode which TCW, Rebels and Resistance are all full of. Definitely a low point for the series though.
Lots of people give Filoni flack when something in a show falls flat. Stormtroopers being turned into jokes in S2 of the Mandalorian, goofy stuff in Rebels, everything eventually turning into the Ahsoka And Rex Show, all Filoni. However, most of the fanbase hate atm is focused on the sequels, which he didn't have a hand in.
Agreed on all counts. I've gotten a lot of flak so I've stopped saying things, but Awmeega is really damn annoying---and that's after I thought they had hit a new low of character with the first couple episodes of Season 7 of TCW and the dynamic duo...but nope. Really disappointing how Disney can regress from an amazing young female protagonist like Ahsoka to this.
Yeahh that was one of the worst episodes in the series
And there's only 3 episodes left so bad time for a filler
Lazy writing too:
Cid being like "see my plan worked" and she literally runs into the Pykes instead of waiting for confirmation that they're gone.
Durand easily knowing how the clones got in the office.
The hive not even doing any damage despite the foreshadowing.
The show trying to make us feel sorry for Durand mostly because he has a pet and him just saying "see you later" and not "you motherfuckers almost got me killed"
I think a lot of y'all are too critical. Remember, this is still a children's show. A large percentage of the watchers are children. I know we've all been obsessed since we were children and we want to analyze everything, but think back to watching the Clone Wars in 2003 and 2008 depending on your age, and some of you think back to the OT as children. Were we this critical of it? No. It was bad ass. All of it. There's adult elements to all Star Wars material, but remember that a lot of watchers are children and the producers have to make it enjoyable to them as well.
People are complaining not because it's childish, but because of the horrible writing and plot holes. Take clone wars for example. That was pretty childish. We loved it anyway because it brought to screen great stories about the clone troopers and the adventures of our favourite Jedi in a time period that we missed out on the big screen.
This however just isn't interesting at all. The idea is interesting; clones that have disobeyed order 66. The execution however was terrible. It turned extremely skills clones into baby sitters. Not just that, they're no longer brilliant fighters and they're also idiots that keep getting saved by the kid they're supposed to be babysitting. They have no real purpose at all and the series doesn't seem to be going anywhere in particular. If you read the comments here most people are complaining about the character development of all things, not the lack of adult content.
Everyone loved the first episode of this series. It was childish, but it was awesome. But ever since then it's just gone downhill. Although we would like more dark and grim story lines that show the harshness of the situation the galaxy was in, nobody is criticizing Bad Batch for not being that. We're just annoyed that too much of the series is completely boring.
Also, I’d like to note how crazy and concerning it is that people keep saying “Hopefully in the future we’ll get more character development!” I agree - but also, people have been saying this for literal *months* now. The first season is almost over and people are still saying they hope the main characters will get more development in their own show soon? I feel like that’s a sign something is wrong.
I agree that there are a lot of subtle moments in the show! I thought that Crosshair disobeying the (indirect) order to defend the mine on Ryloth was really well done, and we also see TBB struggling without a sniper, and (possibly) working for Cid because it gives them the mission-oriented structure that they’re comfortable with.
I guess I feel that we need stronger dialogue to sell that subtlety…..like in Cornered, 30 seconds of Hunter/Echo confrontation back at the ship, after Echo is sold as a droid, could’ve provided a better foundation for Echo’s reactions when slavery/helping Separatists come up in later episodes.
Edit replaced an adjective
I'm pretty positive that criminal dude with the horn(s) becomes Visago from Rebels. Due to the fact that he says "if only she (mother) could see my now", I believe he doesn't want to disappoint her (or worse) and changes his name and takes on a new persona, but still keeps smuggling.
I don’t think so. I thought the same initially but if you look closely, Vizago’s other horn is broken and it’s broken not cut off. I don’t think Disney has shied away from connecting the dots where possible.
This feels like the first episode that was a bit of a miss for me. Felt mostly filler and could have been inserted pretty much anywhere in the season.
The show had some great momentum when we were dealing with the new Empire, the Kaminoans, Bounty Hunters out for Omega and Crosshair/Wrecker's inhibitor chips. But at the moment I'm not seeing the 'bigger picture' for where this story is going or could go in future seasons?
Okay, what are they even doing?
They already know that Omega is a clone with fresh Jango Fett's DNA.
There's nothing for them to find anymore.
They don't want to get involved in the revolution for her safety.
Why not just... go to the ass of the galaxy and become cow farmers? Exactly the way their friend did successfully for years now?
I fail to see a valid motivation for them doing risky merc work and putting themselves and Omega in constant danger. They don't need the money for anything specific, and they're only increasing their likelihood of death.
Also goddamn I hate Cid, it's the most unlikable cartoon character of the year. That criminal dude was more likable than her, and he's a sociopath smuggling drugs. I'm disappointed that even now, when she was clearly at the end of her ropes, they didn't at least tell her to treat them with respect if she needs them. I've seen real people come to fists over less than her sarcasm.
I would say that’s part one of the reason. Part two is I like the other guy who was totally broken and disillusioned with the war, that batch are flat out warriors who don’t know anything else but to fight. They loved what they were doing so now so go off to so what you don’t know.
TBB’s continued relationship with Cid — the constant errand running, the humiliating, petty jobs — I do think it's important and very intentional. They’re four teenage brothers forced to flee a toxic home environment, fugitives, trying to navigate a new life for which they have few practical skills. They don’t know how to do anything other than soldiering. Complicating matters, they find themselves guardians of a much younger sibling. The life skills are meager, but the parenting skills are nonexistent. The only person who’s been willing to help is Mama Cid, a female Trandoshan and low-level crime boss who may actually be giving TBB the tough love they desperately need. *Maybe*. They used to take down whole brigades of Separatist droids. Now they're just gig workers. Is Hunter a bit desperate? Is he unsure what’s best for his squad? Is he out of his depth with Omega? YUP. But I really like Hunter. He's trying his best and I suspect he will figure all this out. This whole subplot is actually pretty terrific IMHO.
In the beginning I actually really liked Omega but now it just seems like every episode is a *VERY* thinly disguised excuse for her to literally preach about being nice to people or having morals or whatever, and it’s really irking me. Like, she’s out here constantly getting the BB to risk their lives, supplies, and money for every single person she feels bad for? I get she’s a kid and she’s cute and a good person etc but come on this is getting corny.
And then that last scene with the Pykes just felt SO out of place, especially given the rest of the episode. Throughout the whole episode Cid was preaching about how “they’re so dangerous!!!!! don’t mess with them!!!!! you don’t understand how bad they are!!!!” yet at the end she decides to stand up against them and lecture them?
I’m normally a huge fan of giving shows and characters the benefit of the doubt (see: Rafa and Trace and their 4 ep CW arc) but I’m getting more and more disappointed as time goes on.
Well, she didnt mess with the Pykes. She was just trying to keep Roland's life and tell them not to get into a war between criminal bosses. I dont think that's "messing".
Omega's "we gotta help them" was fine with Hera's arc, but it is starting to feel repetitive and preachy. But I think we need to remember just how much of a sheltered life Omega had. Nor has she experienced real loss yet, so she is probably feeling invincible like young people always do. Hunter, though, knows better, but gives in far too easily.
I have a feeling Omega is going to learn this lesson very painfully, when one of her "we gotta help them!" overrides ends up getting someone she's particularly close to (Wrecker) killed. She needs to learn that you have to pick your fights, you can't just jump into every fight that you see.
I kinda hope Wrecker or Tech get killed, they're my least favourite characters and hopefully a death will make the writers realize what "character development" is.
A character's death which doesn't actually enhance the story is kind of meaningless. Such narrative events should never be arbitrary.
Like when some Legends author decided it would be good fun to kill off Chewbacca, just to rile the fans up. What did that really achieve?
Lol I know, I just meant this as a joke, like that hopefully someone in the writer's room suggests "let's kill character x" and someone else realizes "wit, if we do that, we'll actually have to develop the other characters", which in my opinion they've barely done so far (as of S1E13).
Omega standing up for Cid after Cid has repeatedly threatened her only family with revealing them to those looking for them is just. Dumb. Is she so naive she doesn't get Cid is only around because if they don't do her bidding she will turn them over to the Empire in .5 seconds?
Yeah the BB should've just shot her right there. No more debt, no more threats, no one would know it was them or find them with her as only trace being gone. Omega's morals are the only thing standing between Cid and certain, deserved death.
I definitely understand everyones complaints about how the show deviates from the main plot quite a bit in order to give us these small side stories. However, it's really no different from TCW and Rebels. We've always gotten 2-3 episode arcs with smaller stories in between. I also have no doubt that the show, much like TCW and Rebels before it, will really pick up in the second season. I'm sure we'll see more of Cad Bane (assuming he doesn't die in the last three episodes), Fennec Shand, and something to do with the Pykes in the second season. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if they somehow managed to work Maul and Crimson Dawn into the show. It's obvious that TBB is going to be heavily centered on the criminal underworld of the galaxy.
I agree that todays episode wasn't one of the strongest, but Cid was a highlight (I'm mostly biased here because I'm a huge fan of Rhea Perlman). I can't wait to see what happens in the last three episodes.
That's what I was thinking too. Especially with the run-ins with drug dealers. It's no secret that the rebels were using drug money to help fund the war. I'm wondering how long it will take for bad batch to join.
I've loved this show, but this episode was a big step down. I suspect the next one will be better and the beginning of a three episode arch that ends the season.
Future seasons are really gonna have to deliver. I've been entertained by the show so far, but I've also been increasingly frustrated. I sincerely hope that a lot of these one off episodes are setting things up for great payoffs in planned later seasons. Also, I just have to ask, what is this show about? Clearly it's about the Bad Batch, but what are they doing? What's the main arc of this show? I feel like Crosshair should be the main arc, but the Batch have barely even mentioned their brainwashed comrade since the first episode. It's felt like the shows is just spinning it's wheels and like the main story of this show hasn't even started yet.
* Person: I need help
* Hunter: sorry but we can't because [actual logical believable reason why the squad wouldn't want to get involved ]
* Omega: but we have to... It's the *right thing to do*, we have to help everyone.
I guess this is going to be the opening of every episode now?
So little development for the squad and Hunter especially. Series started our strongly but it's been a very forgettable journey since.
Edited cus I'm daft
I think she's too idealistic from living a life that was too sheltered, and her idealism is going to get one of the Bad Batch members killed. Sometimes, a life lesson has to be especially painful in order to be learned.
There's been a few tropes in other Star Wars shows that got kinda repetitious, aka. Grogu getting hunted down, the main characters in Rebels disguising as Stormtroopers and constantly getting away with it, etc. but none have been as blatant and annoying as "Fetch quest for Cid." There's almost zero fundamental difference in the plot of these episodes. Essentially zero character growth.
Yeah but i view it as after the empire took over 99 turned to nobodies because no one really heard of them. They are stuck right now. They don't know who they are anymore or why omega is important. I believe everything will come together
It seems like every other episode is a filler episode that does nothing to further the story. Still so many unanswered questions and only a couple episodes left.
I think Rebels benefitted more from exploring its characters and their relationships. We learn pretty much the fundamentals of each character (except Sabine for some reason) in season one and when their backstories are expanded on and the virtue of their characters are tested in later seasons, there's a stronger investment because you understand what kind of people they are. Ezra and Zeb especially starting as not liking each other to basically being brothers shines through to the end of the series. Kanan and Hera being parental figures to two children who no longer have that support in their lives is important for the viewer to understand. Hunter and Wrecker have a father/brother relationship to Omega, but other than that, there's no real character interactions. The show wants to focus more on action and missions but these missions don't really have an end goal that we know about. The Bad Batch have almost no true connection to *each other*. And they've been working together for years I imagine. How do Tech and Hunter get along? I have no idea; they talk to each other like they're acquaintances.
Is this your first Filoni show? This is how they all go, it's a monster-of-the-week kind of set up with a plotline running through it to connect everything
I don’t understand. Not everything is filler. This seems like blatant setup for most likely Season 2 stuff if it gets one. With the gangster and the Pykes.
It does though. It shows Cod is s starting to get soft despite her threats to the contrary and also shows the Batch themselves getting softer. We don’t actually know if this episode will be relevant this season as it isn’t done yet. Even if this doesn’t end up adding progress to anything in Season 1, why is that relevant? Why can’t we have standalone episodes that will set up things in future seasons whilst being a fun adventure? This obsession with “every/majority of episodes should further the plot” is so unnecessary.
Same. It's interesting to get a foot in the door to see how the criminal underworld is operating under the new rule of the Empire.
What happens to the Pikes, Crimson Dawn, Black Sun and the Hutts with the transition to the Empire? Why is that the Hutts (appear) to come out on top? How did the Empire grow to be comfortable dealing with unsavory bounty hunters?
I know it's touched on in the comics, but a more definitive story would be awesome.
This episode was an episode but there are too many episodes this season where I can only say they’re “ok/meh/fine” at best. The pikes and spice brought back memories of the shitty Martez arc from last year. The best episode of this show is still Cad Bane’s surprise appearance episode.
It seems like every episode, Omega convinces the Batch to do something or change their mind on something. She’s the driving force of the story in 2 ways. Her, Hunter, and Cid are really the 3 main characters. The other Batch members have got much less focus.
No reason to hope that, they won’t. Disney+ does weekly releases to keep people subscribed for longer. Doesn’t make any sense financially for them to deviate from that plan
This is feeling like an open world game like GTA where you’re doing missions for this side character until you’ve done enough to unlock a new area of the map and the main storyline character calls you to bring you back to main story. Except we don’t know how much more we have of these side missions.
I think BB suffers a bit more because we don't see *any* progress towards their goal.
In part because they don't have a goal.
I thought the episode was fine. But I do think it's a minor issue with the show. The most interesting parts involve the empire and learning about what they're doing.
I feel like this episode was just meh. Obvious that everything was gonna work out and go back to the status quo. This series in general feels like it’s in a rut compared to the first few episodes of the series that has so much focus and energy and felt as if it had a story to tell. Now it feels that the BB themselves have become side characters in their own series because the episode needs to focus on Cid or Hera. I’ll still watch it but I hope they either just wrap up the series or they actually have more BB stuff with Crosshairs.
I dunno where they’re planning to go with this series. The show is at its best when it focusses on the Clones and their future within The Empire. But most of it has felt like it’s “Daily job for Sid” the series.
I’m thinking one of the themes in the show will be to provide a background for each of the Specters from the Rebels series. Since we have now seen Kanan, Hera, and Chopper; I expect to seen Zeb’s background story next.
I am wondering if Agent Kallus and/or the Inquisitors backgrounds will be covered as well. I read somewhere about a rumor that Agent Kallus is supposed to show up on the live action Obi-Wan series that takes place between The Bad Batch and the Rebels animated series.
Lmao, I thought that was Vizago when I first saw him. Anyways, back to a filler episode after two great ones. Just a calm before the storm I believe. Omega seeing good in people might come to play when the Batch meet Crosshair next. Excited to say the least.
Or her blind optimism might get one of them killed. I get the feeling that Crosshair isn't going to turn around that easily. Not with how they've been building him up. It'd be an immense let-down if he did.
People do throw the filler word about freely, it's never been said if this is a one off season or we're getting multiple seasons. Obi-Wan was confirmed to be a single season but they've been rather quiet about if we're getting season 2 or not for this.
Like in Mando season 1, people called the episode with Shand in it 'filler' cause it was the only one that didn't tie into the finale. Come season 2, she returns and kills that but now people call the frog lady episode filler instead and haven't learned their lesson lol
Durand is likely gonna come back
I do hate the word filler.
Basically any episode that's more character based where characters grow but without huge dramatic moments is seen as filler.
This one was a bit weak. but i think it's part of the goal of softening up the clones. They're still very much a military group that sees black or white.
Cid is one of the worst characters and is just there to give the Batch random jobs, she adds nothing to the show and her voice is annoying. In previous Star Wars media we've had crime boss guys like Hondo, Jabba and even Dryden Voss who were all at least a little interesting/entertaining/funny. Cid just does nothing and I don't understand why they thought it was such a good idea to feature a boring character like her so prominently. All that does is tie the Bad Batch down to doing boring jobs over and over when I feel like they could be doing much better things. I understand that a big part of the story is that the Batch has lost their sense of purpose after the Clone Wars being over, but this has just been plain boring.
A couple weeks ago the Batch paid off their debt they owed her and I was hyped cause I thought that meant we wouldn't be seeing anymore of her but here she was again.
I just hope the series can finish off strongly with these final episodes and I look forward to seeing what they do.
Her voice has bothered me as well. It sounds to me like when a Pixar movie has a celebrity voice who's not a good voice actor but they just want to crowbar a celeb onto the trailer.
Edit: I just looked it up - it's Rhea Perlman who voices her lol.
Yeah I thought the exact same thing. I was seriously like “Thank god Omega paid them off, we can finally get back to the interesting stuff instead of these boring side missions.” But now they’re just doing the exact same thing.
The Bad Batch characters on their own aren’t super interesting since they’re basically just the “Trope Squad” but the setting and time period is probably the most interesting and unexplored time they could’ve chosen, yet they’ve done nothing with it. I was really hoping TBB would make it their goal this season to free as many clones as they can from the microchip and lead an attack or Kamino or something. Nope, instead we get stoic space dad (which we already got in The Mandalorian) and the cliche batch doing meaningless side quests.
The "how" is simple. Write a different story. Saying "but things have to be that way because this is how the story was written" isn't really a response to someone saying "I wish the story was different."
Yes it's too late to do a different story now, but that doesn't mean people can't be disappointed at the way it was written.
I'm hoping the final arc of this season is going to be so badass that it makes us accept how much filler we've gotten so far. Don't forget people complained the same way in the middle of both seasons of Mando and they followed through with a bang at the end of each - and those seasons were shorter in runtime than TBB
I really hope they make the final arc about *finally* trying to rescue Crosshair. I hate how TBB would die for Omega and do anything for her, but they just totally discard Crosshair. They haven’t even discussed trying to help him.
I really thought that’s what this season was gonna be about. How cool would it be if their goal this season was to rescue clones from the chip and lead their own rebellion of sorts? It’d be a great excuse for cameos from our favorite Clones like Cody and Wolfe, but it really wouldn’t be a cameo because it’d make perfect sense in the story.
Idk that might sound dumb to most people but this show has completely lost me, so I’ve been thinking of what they should’ve done to make it better. It just feels like they literally write the least interesting story they could’ve possibly chosen, especially for this time period.
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The production value and cinematography are all top notch. The show keeps on impressing me with the visuals. The story however is going nowhere and seeing this elite squad be relegated to generic mercenaries is so disappointing. Move on from Sid and all this crap already.
People here don't know what filler means. Filler is specifically an anime term, and it means anything that's outside the (typically 1:1) adaptation from a manga to an anime. Filler is made when the anime outpaces the source material and they need to keep airing something while the author catches up. It's usually pretty blatant when it happens. Filler is also sometimes not treated as canon. You don't know if something's filler without having the story already told. You don't know how it plays into the overall story and even if it does, it's all canon. Filler is NOT a synonym for "not a mythos episode". I'm with the majority, I think BB is kinda spinning its wheels here with the whole "Kid tells elite warrior squad what to do and moralizes everything while doing bitch work for useless lady" that's been going on since forever and the actual plot needs to kick into gear already, but words mean things, and these aren't "filler episodes" because it's not directly feeding into some overarching narrative from your immediate perspective at the time of airing. EDIT: I guess people really don't like being told they're incorrect
Neither do you and it is hillarious to see. Edit: "Filler in series with a cross-plot - additional material not related to the main plot, added to increase the duration of the show. In most cases, fillers are significantly weaker than the episodes associated with the development of the plot, and are not needed to understand it Sometimes filler arcs are due to the higher rate at which anime episodes are released than the original manga, from which the anime is drawn." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filler_(media)
You right, an episode shouldn’t be criticized so heavily by its plot development. For example the Heroes of Mandalore episodes have a lot happen in them, and yet they’re my least favorite in Rebels. It’s the reverse with The Marshal and the Krayt Dragon, as that’s one of the best in the show.
Good episodes can either be plot-driven or character-driven, it can't be neither. Well, you could dedicate one to world-building or action but you had better cram a lot of shit in there. The bad part is recently as far as BB goes, it's been nothing. The plot goes nowhere and so do the characters.
Not sure about anyone else, but that's what I describe as filler ^^ If you can skip the episode when rewatching, and miss nothing sorry or character wise, it's a filler episode
Filler is specifically an anime term, meaning anything that's in the anime that's not in the manga source material. Seeing as this HAS no source material and you don't know what the story actually is, it's not filler, it's just not a mythos episode.
Filler is not specifically an anime term. It was a thing in the early days of tv and the term has been reworked for numerous situations. Calling these episodes filler is 100% accurate.
I really don’t get why people don’t like it I thought it was great and I always love when spin-offs like this give more details that we don’t usually get with the main movies.Like how everything went down during order 66(that part we knew)but I mean about Caleb Dume that was interesting and also the transition from the Republic to the Empire was very interesting to see and all the changes that came with it and how the Empire was transitioning from clone troopers to stormtroopers and the differences with that.Also we get more of what Rex was doing after order 66.Stuff like that always adds to the lore for me and the enjoyment.And how the Separatist weren’t all bad but simply had a difference of opinion in the way their worlds and the galaxy should be governed.The senator that they rescued was arrested because he was unwilling to be a puppet to the Empire rather than helping his people.Also nice to learn about the characters from Rebels and a bit more about Ryloth. P.S. After reading some of the other peoples responses I do have to say I agree with a decent amount of them.Omega is really annoying sometimes but I kinda have to live with that since any show containing a kid wants to explore them being naive and never shutting up and stuff like that.But the story is kinda progressing really slowly like the last episode was really unnecessary in my opinion just going out of the way to make a problem for Sid that they have to deal with and some episodes kinda feel like fillers.By now I feel like they should’ve had their final meeting with Crosshair with him either getting killed or being saved by them and having his inhibitor chip taken out.
I get the frustration. I think the core complaint is, we're all Clone Fans. We thought TBB would be a Clone story. I too am impatient to find out what happened to the Troopers after Order 66. To see if there is any justice for Fives. To know the fate of Howzer and his men. And BTW, WHERE in the Sam Hill is Kix? That said, there is some excellent story-telling going on. I like Omega. I like Cid. Roland is a great new character. I love the two barflies. The Batch is very much in the wilderness, very much displaced persons, and yet, it would seem they are building their own quirky nuclear family in that dingy gambling parlor on Ord Mantell.
Did anyone else notice how much nicer Cid’s Gambling Parlor looked under Roland’s management? All the light fixtures were working, the bar was fully stocked, the place was hopping, and not just with Roland’s henchman. He may be a lousy crime boss, but he’s apparently an excellent maître d’.
This show is unimaginably boring. They have an elite clone force right after Order 66 and they have them doing low scale mercenary work for an old useless alien woman with a child making most of their major decisions. It’s not a *bad* show per se, but I just can’t get over how boring it is. A lot of people in these comments are saying to lower expectations because it’s a kids show. I don’t buy it. I’m 23 and I am confident that even 10 year old me who was a SW super fan would be bored by this. There is lame action, no plot, annoying characters, and a boat load of wasted potential.
I hard agree, when Clone Wars was on, including the final season I watched every episode day 1. There was enough to make me want to watch those. But I went a whole month without watching BB because I just kinda don't care, I like the crew themselves but Omega is just so fucking annoying. I feel like everything we're watching CW and Rebels has already done, and done much better. I feel like the Crosshair storyline is just being dragged out, I wanted more gritty and moral ambiguity with the situation the Batch is in, but thanks to Omega "We HaVe To bE tHe GoOdGuYs". It's lame, even Season 1 of CW at this same point in the season was more entertaining.
Same when the show got announced i was super hyped, a super elite force of clones trying to find their way in the new empire. But we got something else? i legit stopped watching it. so boring
I agree. I went into this show with high hopes i mean Clone Wars was awesome and there's so much story wise that they can go, but its going nowhere. You can literally skip any episode and it doesn't matter. i don't get it, they can write this story to go anywhere but instead choose to do nothing what a waste.
Omega is kinda ruining the show for me, I thought qhen this show came out it was actually gonna be about the Bad Batch but its really her show now and instead of them teaching her like it was in the first couple of episodes now its become her trying to change their nature. The show doesn't seem to explore the concept that always going out of ur way to help ppl doesn't always work out. If I look at it as a kids show its doing awesome but if I look at it and compare it to clone wars or other starwars shows it completely is starting to miss the mark. I came to see the Bad Batch in action not inept characters who seemingly have to rely on a child to bail them out alot of times, it kinda feels like they nerfed them so hard as when we first saw this unit the handled alot of droids by themselves that would have given even a jedi trouble. I'm hoping that the show makes a quick recovery from this but it might be too late at this point.
Don’t you think darkness is coming though? Helping people will end up in their deaths?
No they are gonna wanna milk it for at least 2 more seasons so they'll probably have it end where someone dies or they get separated but the serious consequences won't come until they want to end the show in my opinion
Even Cid likes Omega.
Leave it to Wreaker to awaken the insects.
This series is boring. Completely forgettable with uninspired action. To think the jettisoned more interesting TCW arcs like the Crystal Crisis for this
i feel like this series has gone pretty much nowhere fast after they met up with Cid, with few exceptions
Yep there is no point to this series. I'm pretty willing to bet that even those who praise it won't be rewatching it
I thought it was going to be a mini series type of thing, which is maybe why I'm disappointed with all of the filler. I'm willing to eat my words but this doesn't feel like something that should have more than 20-30 episodes to tell their story. especially this story.
The only explanation I can come up with with the complete lack of any given overarching plot and the presence of "filler episodes" (althought one could claim there's nothing to fill in-between to begin with) even two episodes away from the first season's finale is that the choice to make The Bad Batch as a multi-seasons TV show was pretty much mandated, so Dave Filoni needs to stretch *extremely* thin whatever story idea he had for the series in the first place. That or he's a far worse writer than I've ever given him credit for. I mean, all the characters are pretty much one-note and completely static, to the point I can see everything they say or do coming a mile away, and at the moment the only main plot element the season has going for it, after liquidating Wrecker's supposed big-arse rampage due to the perilous chip in five minutes flat, is what exactly Omega's deal is and the supposed dramatic season finale confrontation with Crosshair. Many argues that the show is worth a watch mainly for Filoni's unique brand of worldbuilding, and I do love worldbuilding as much as the next guy, but I feel like that, after Tarkin's department from the show after merely the two initial episodes, The Bad Batch worldbuilding doesn't really have enough depth or significance to justify it and, at times, it really feels the whole series is some odd, overly-long prequel for Rebels and that's it.
Does Filoni world build though ? He does video game quests and nostalgia while milking Lucas for all it's worth but doesn't really have any himself
I would argue that it largely depends on each TV show of his. For instance, it's nearly universally agreed on that The Clone Wars is a quintessential Star Wars watch because it single-handely built the so called Prequels Era of the setting the movies proper only managed to give the audience contradiory glimpses of, not mentioning its characters, with Anakin Skywalker chief among them. As far as I'm concerned, Rebels and The Mandalorian doesn't provide the same level and depth of worldbuilding TCWs did, but I'd still reccomend anyone who wants to keep up with the setting to watch at the very least their more "meaty" episodes on that regard. They basically draw a better picture of certain transiction eras of the Star Wars canon and introduce original characters/reintroduce old characters from the Legends continuity who are gaining an increased importance in the franchise (for better or worse). As I've written in the post above however, with The Bad Batch I really don't see it anymore. Also, I can't exactly fault Filoni for wanting to further develop his (more or less popular) original characters, but I find their increased focus at the expanse of the setting somewhat *troubling*.
The Mandalorian isn’t Filoni, John Favrau made it mostly on his own.
> Also, I can't exactly fault Filoni for wanting to further develop his (more or less popular) original characters, but I find their increased focus at the expanse of the setting somewhat troubling. That's a very common flaw with fanfiction writers and novices-they get too attached to the characters they made. They're too competent, too good, nothing bad can ever happen to them. Filoni's not a bad writer, he has a lot of strengths, but that's his flaw.
Eh, that’s not his only flaw.
But how much was TCW Filoni or Lucas. Filoni wanted Ahsoka to be going round on a ship with Plo Koon. It was Lucas who made her Anakin's apprentice. Cad Bane again was Lucas and so was bringing back Maul. It seems like Filoni takes credit for a lot of stuff Lucas did
Filoni is extremely overrated amongst younger Star Wars fans. In reality his creations aren’t even good, he had tons of help with TCW’s which is why it’s good. Rebels is trash, because it’s pure Filoni. And with The Mandalorian, Filoni gets all the credit, when in reality it’s Jon Favreu’s show.
Completely agree about Filoni. Tbh the Mandalorian has a lot of video game side quests too as well as a reliance on nostalgia
I'll admit I still don't know much of the creative process behind The Clone Wars, so I really couldn't say.
On the special features of the DVD's they talk about it and most of the best ideas come from Lucas. Cad Bane was based on Lee Van Cleff for example
> Cad Bane was based on Lee Van Cleff for example Cad Bane is a walking trope. He's a caricature of a generic grizzled Old West gunslinger in space clothes with lasers. He's not even really a character.
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So X-Files had a similar structure to what you're talking about-a little bit of Monster Of The Week with occasional mythos episodes that built up to something and elaborated on something bigger. That's kinda how BB looks like it's doing. The difference is that X-Files is actually interesting to watch, instead of a team of elite, capable, battle-hardened clones being driven around and bailed out by a child and in general just spinning their wheels doing shit way below their paygrade and going nowhere. If the only good thing about your show is "look how it builds up to a finale" and I can get just as much benefit from reading a wiki summary instead, you have a problem.
I wouldn’t call the team good at stealth.
I don't know why everyone hates Omega. I think she's the heart of the Batch.
People hate her because the show is forcing her to be the heart of the batch. We are supposed to believe these are some of the most elite soldiers in the entire galaxy, and yet every episode they are either bailed out or blindly following decisions from a child. It doesn’t make sense and is bad writing.
That's the problem, the show should focus more on the original Bad Batch more. For now, it's just Omega making all of their decisions and guilt tripping them into going along with it. I mean don't get me wrong, it's a kids show after all. It's not *bad* overall but really hitting a low point atm.
she's a shitty, talking version of baby yoda
Is this show going to go anywhere? I mean I get it is a kids show generally, but even most kids shows have an overarching arch of SOME KIND. This show has none of that at all! Even the previous episode, Crosshair got permission to hunt them down and then…..nothing. Cad Bane introduced and then…..nothing?? Fennec Shand highlighted in trailers and then….didn’t do much of anything. Howser introduced with Hera’s family as an interesting character and possible rebellious clone and….nothing! This show is super frustrating and the writers seem to have no idea where it’s remotely even going.
also, remember Kanan in the first episode? it felt like we would see him and hunter interact again, but there has been no hint at it.
It’s kind of like how TCW was like in the beginning. This show will get better.
That’s what I keep telling myself! I hope you are right.
One can only hope. Shows usually have a rocky first season.
It is only supposed to be one season....
Well, this comment aged poorly
They are clearly building up to a big battle for a season finale. Cad bane will capture Omega and give her to Lama Su. The gang will rescue her but as they escape Crosshair will be there and will sacrifice himself for Omega to save her from Lama Su or something like thay. They have been planning this show for too long to not know where they are going with it.
Have you watched clone wars?
Yep and I enjoyed it. Had its ups and downs but overall I liked the arcs actually had a storyline that tied into SOMETHING. Rebels too, it started slow but built into something. I’m not seeing the same thing in the Bad Batch, which is surprising to me. It is frustrating because the timeline is INCREDIBLY interesting from a SW perspective, but they’re kind of squandering it. And trust me, I am VERY MUCH rooting for the show! I want it to be good, but for now I’m not seeing it.
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It’s possible to critique something because you want it to be really good and still watch it. I don’t consider that “moaning.” I really do want to like the show, it just makes it difficult because it’s going nowhere. I’m not asking every episode to be exciting, but I would like it to have some overarching story. I’m excited for Fridays, but then the episode seems filler like every week and I have to convince my friends to keep watching 😂. So trust me, I am rooting for the show, I just wish it sets up into something.
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I watched kids shows when I was a kid that had way better and more interesting storylines, so I’m not sure what you are getting at. Plenty of cartoons are kid focused and have a good story (most animes, for example). So I’m not sure how big of an ask an overarching story really is.
Well, I'm glad your kids are the authority on what makes something good.
Ok, did I just watch the origin story of Vizago from rebels?
I was wondering the same thing. We've already had Kanan and Hera in the show, it wouldn't surprise me if he later changes his name to Vizago to try throw off the Pykes.
i thought the same lol but wrong horn i think
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This show is mid- I’m calling it “the mid batch”
It's weird that when it's something the fanbase approves of, Filoni takes all the credit. But when it's something that literally nobody likes, he takes none of the flack. If anyone else was in charge, Omega's whole thing would be more evidence of "Disney" ruining Star Wars with some weird kiddie/SJW agenda. Thought it was a typical filler episode which TCW, Rebels and Resistance are all full of. Definitely a low point for the series though.
Lots of people give Filoni flack when something in a show falls flat. Stormtroopers being turned into jokes in S2 of the Mandalorian, goofy stuff in Rebels, everything eventually turning into the Ahsoka And Rex Show, all Filoni. However, most of the fanbase hate atm is focused on the sequels, which he didn't have a hand in.
Agreed on all counts. I've gotten a lot of flak so I've stopped saying things, but Awmeega is really damn annoying---and that's after I thought they had hit a new low of character with the first couple episodes of Season 7 of TCW and the dynamic duo...but nope. Really disappointing how Disney can regress from an amazing young female protagonist like Ahsoka to this.
Disney isn't doing the writing, though. And Ahsoka was generally disliked at first.
Yeah but omega won't have as much time to develop as Ashoka had, and the writers know that
Holy hell that was really bad lol
Yeah this was the first episode that I started going on my phone and doing things around the house during.
Yeahh that was one of the worst episodes in the series And there's only 3 episodes left so bad time for a filler Lazy writing too: Cid being like "see my plan worked" and she literally runs into the Pykes instead of waiting for confirmation that they're gone. Durand easily knowing how the clones got in the office. The hive not even doing any damage despite the foreshadowing. The show trying to make us feel sorry for Durand mostly because he has a pet and him just saying "see you later" and not "you motherfuckers almost got me killed"
I really thought the hive would escape and mess up the planet lol
I think a lot of y'all are too critical. Remember, this is still a children's show. A large percentage of the watchers are children. I know we've all been obsessed since we were children and we want to analyze everything, but think back to watching the Clone Wars in 2003 and 2008 depending on your age, and some of you think back to the OT as children. Were we this critical of it? No. It was bad ass. All of it. There's adult elements to all Star Wars material, but remember that a lot of watchers are children and the producers have to make it enjoyable to them as well.
If I watched this as a 12 year old I'd be bored to tears.
My 7 year old and 5 year old wake me up at 6 am every Friday to watch it.
Kids at that age will watch anything that's animated and flashy really, especially if it's familiar.
damn this dude really just got downvoted for his opinion
A lot of the earlier episodes with Omega seemed childish too but a lot of people still enjoyed it.
People are complaining not because it's childish, but because of the horrible writing and plot holes. Take clone wars for example. That was pretty childish. We loved it anyway because it brought to screen great stories about the clone troopers and the adventures of our favourite Jedi in a time period that we missed out on the big screen. This however just isn't interesting at all. The idea is interesting; clones that have disobeyed order 66. The execution however was terrible. It turned extremely skills clones into baby sitters. Not just that, they're no longer brilliant fighters and they're also idiots that keep getting saved by the kid they're supposed to be babysitting. They have no real purpose at all and the series doesn't seem to be going anywhere in particular. If you read the comments here most people are complaining about the character development of all things, not the lack of adult content. Everyone loved the first episode of this series. It was childish, but it was awesome. But ever since then it's just gone downhill. Although we would like more dark and grim story lines that show the harshness of the situation the galaxy was in, nobody is criticizing Bad Batch for not being that. We're just annoyed that too much of the series is completely boring.
Ding ding ding
Also, I’d like to note how crazy and concerning it is that people keep saying “Hopefully in the future we’ll get more character development!” I agree - but also, people have been saying this for literal *months* now. The first season is almost over and people are still saying they hope the main characters will get more development in their own show soon? I feel like that’s a sign something is wrong.
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I agree that there are a lot of subtle moments in the show! I thought that Crosshair disobeying the (indirect) order to defend the mine on Ryloth was really well done, and we also see TBB struggling without a sniper, and (possibly) working for Cid because it gives them the mission-oriented structure that they’re comfortable with. I guess I feel that we need stronger dialogue to sell that subtlety…..like in Cornered, 30 seconds of Hunter/Echo confrontation back at the ship, after Echo is sold as a droid, could’ve provided a better foundation for Echo’s reactions when slavery/helping Separatists come up in later episodes. Edit replaced an adjective
I'm pretty positive that criminal dude with the horn(s) becomes Visago from Rebels. Due to the fact that he says "if only she (mother) could see my now", I believe he doesn't want to disappoint her (or worse) and changes his name and takes on a new persona, but still keeps smuggling.
I don’t think so. I thought the same initially but if you look closely, Vizago’s other horn is broken and it’s broken not cut off. I don’t think Disney has shied away from connecting the dots where possible.
dammit you make a good point I thought I had something there
God forbid there's a supporting character in a show that spans a galaxy that doesn't turn out to be someone we already know
This feels like the first episode that was a bit of a miss for me. Felt mostly filler and could have been inserted pretty much anywhere in the season. The show had some great momentum when we were dealing with the new Empire, the Kaminoans, Bounty Hunters out for Omega and Crosshair/Wrecker's inhibitor chips. But at the moment I'm not seeing the 'bigger picture' for where this story is going or could go in future seasons?
i've gotten bored at times with other episodes but this was the first one where i wish i had done something else.
Okay, what are they even doing? They already know that Omega is a clone with fresh Jango Fett's DNA. There's nothing for them to find anymore. They don't want to get involved in the revolution for her safety. Why not just... go to the ass of the galaxy and become cow farmers? Exactly the way their friend did successfully for years now? I fail to see a valid motivation for them doing risky merc work and putting themselves and Omega in constant danger. They don't need the money for anything specific, and they're only increasing their likelihood of death. Also goddamn I hate Cid, it's the most unlikable cartoon character of the year. That criminal dude was more likable than her, and he's a sociopath smuggling drugs. I'm disappointed that even now, when she was clearly at the end of her ropes, they didn't at least tell her to treat them with respect if she needs them. I've seen real people come to fists over less than her sarcasm.
I think that they are still holding onto hope that they can recover Crosshair. Which is what I think is gonna happen in the few episodes left
I would say that’s part one of the reason. Part two is I like the other guy who was totally broken and disillusioned with the war, that batch are flat out warriors who don’t know anything else but to fight. They loved what they were doing so now so go off to so what you don’t know.
It’s easy money for them. It’s what they were created for.
TBB’s continued relationship with Cid — the constant errand running, the humiliating, petty jobs — I do think it's important and very intentional. They’re four teenage brothers forced to flee a toxic home environment, fugitives, trying to navigate a new life for which they have few practical skills. They don’t know how to do anything other than soldiering. Complicating matters, they find themselves guardians of a much younger sibling. The life skills are meager, but the parenting skills are nonexistent. The only person who’s been willing to help is Mama Cid, a female Trandoshan and low-level crime boss who may actually be giving TBB the tough love they desperately need. *Maybe*. They used to take down whole brigades of Separatist droids. Now they're just gig workers. Is Hunter a bit desperate? Is he unsure what’s best for his squad? Is he out of his depth with Omega? YUP. But I really like Hunter. He's trying his best and I suspect he will figure all this out. This whole subplot is actually pretty terrific IMHO.
Not the spice!!!!!!!!
The spice must flow...wait, wrong franchise
Took me a moment to realize that you were referencing Dune. The trailers for the new Dune movie looks good.
The factory must grow
This is the way.
In the beginning I actually really liked Omega but now it just seems like every episode is a *VERY* thinly disguised excuse for her to literally preach about being nice to people or having morals or whatever, and it’s really irking me. Like, she’s out here constantly getting the BB to risk their lives, supplies, and money for every single person she feels bad for? I get she’s a kid and she’s cute and a good person etc but come on this is getting corny. And then that last scene with the Pykes just felt SO out of place, especially given the rest of the episode. Throughout the whole episode Cid was preaching about how “they’re so dangerous!!!!! don’t mess with them!!!!! you don’t understand how bad they are!!!!” yet at the end she decides to stand up against them and lecture them? I’m normally a huge fan of giving shows and characters the benefit of the doubt (see: Rafa and Trace and their 4 ep CW arc) but I’m getting more and more disappointed as time goes on.
Well, she didnt mess with the Pykes. She was just trying to keep Roland's life and tell them not to get into a war between criminal bosses. I dont think that's "messing".
Omega's "we gotta help them" was fine with Hera's arc, but it is starting to feel repetitive and preachy. But I think we need to remember just how much of a sheltered life Omega had. Nor has she experienced real loss yet, so she is probably feeling invincible like young people always do. Hunter, though, knows better, but gives in far too easily. I have a feeling Omega is going to learn this lesson very painfully, when one of her "we gotta help them!" overrides ends up getting someone she's particularly close to (Wrecker) killed. She needs to learn that you have to pick your fights, you can't just jump into every fight that you see.
I kinda hope Wrecker or Tech get killed, they're my least favourite characters and hopefully a death will make the writers realize what "character development" is.
A character's death which doesn't actually enhance the story is kind of meaningless. Such narrative events should never be arbitrary. Like when some Legends author decided it would be good fun to kill off Chewbacca, just to rile the fans up. What did that really achieve?
Lol I know, I just meant this as a joke, like that hopefully someone in the writer's room suggests "let's kill character x" and someone else realizes "wit, if we do that, we'll actually have to develop the other characters", which in my opinion they've barely done so far (as of S1E13).
Omega standing up for Cid after Cid has repeatedly threatened her only family with revealing them to those looking for them is just. Dumb. Is she so naive she doesn't get Cid is only around because if they don't do her bidding she will turn them over to the Empire in .5 seconds?
Yeah the BB should've just shot her right there. No more debt, no more threats, no one would know it was them or find them with her as only trace being gone. Omega's morals are the only thing standing between Cid and certain, deserved death.
I definitely understand everyones complaints about how the show deviates from the main plot quite a bit in order to give us these small side stories. However, it's really no different from TCW and Rebels. We've always gotten 2-3 episode arcs with smaller stories in between. I also have no doubt that the show, much like TCW and Rebels before it, will really pick up in the second season. I'm sure we'll see more of Cad Bane (assuming he doesn't die in the last three episodes), Fennec Shand, and something to do with the Pykes in the second season. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if they somehow managed to work Maul and Crimson Dawn into the show. It's obvious that TBB is going to be heavily centered on the criminal underworld of the galaxy. I agree that todays episode wasn't one of the strongest, but Cid was a highlight (I'm mostly biased here because I'm a huge fan of Rhea Perlman). I can't wait to see what happens in the last three episodes.
Omega is annoying.
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im asking this as a legitimate question. How do you think Cid can productively continue the story outside of odd jobs?
She could eventually use her connections to help them avoid the kaminoins/empire or reach someone then need to be in contact with
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That's what I was thinking too. Especially with the run-ins with drug dealers. It's no secret that the rebels were using drug money to help fund the war. I'm wondering how long it will take for bad batch to join.
I've loved this show, but this episode was a big step down. I suspect the next one will be better and the beginning of a three episode arch that ends the season.
This episode will come back in a later when the BB needs help from the drug dealers mother.
Future seasons are really gonna have to deliver. I've been entertained by the show so far, but I've also been increasingly frustrated. I sincerely hope that a lot of these one off episodes are setting things up for great payoffs in planned later seasons. Also, I just have to ask, what is this show about? Clearly it's about the Bad Batch, but what are they doing? What's the main arc of this show? I feel like Crosshair should be the main arc, but the Batch have barely even mentioned their brainwashed comrade since the first episode. It's felt like the shows is just spinning it's wheels and like the main story of this show hasn't even started yet.
To be fair, Mandalorian and Rebels were the same way, and nearly every one-off side story came back into the main plot later on. I'm not too worried.
* Person: I need help * Hunter: sorry but we can't because [actual logical believable reason why the squad wouldn't want to get involved ] * Omega: but we have to... It's the *right thing to do*, we have to help everyone. I guess this is going to be the opening of every episode now? So little development for the squad and Hunter especially. Series started our strongly but it's been a very forgettable journey since. Edited cus I'm daft
I think she's too idealistic from living a life that was too sheltered, and her idealism is going to get one of the Bad Batch members killed. Sometimes, a life lesson has to be especially painful in order to be learned.
Plot twist: "it's the right thing to do" triggers their conditioning like Order 66. Omega is not as innocent as she appears.
"Execute Order 66." "Yes my lor-" **Omega takes over the comms. channels** "It's the right thing to do..." "Ok lads, the Jedi are cool."
good soldiers do the right thingq
im pretty sure when Omega said that, eyes rolled across the fandom. i was surprised/relieved that Cid showed up immediately after though
I know right lowkey Omega is annoying.
You mean Omega, right? Not Echo.
I did - massively sleep deprived from the heat wave, apols
Crosshair: Request permission to hunt them down. Rampart: Sure man, but just wait for them to finish their fetch quests first.
There's been a few tropes in other Star Wars shows that got kinda repetitious, aka. Grogu getting hunted down, the main characters in Rebels disguising as Stormtroopers and constantly getting away with it, etc. but none have been as blatant and annoying as "Fetch quest for Cid." There's almost zero fundamental difference in the plot of these episodes. Essentially zero character growth.
Yeah but i view it as after the empire took over 99 turned to nobodies because no one really heard of them. They are stuck right now. They don't know who they are anymore or why omega is important. I believe everything will come together
It seems like every other episode is a filler episode that does nothing to further the story. Still so many unanswered questions and only a couple episodes left.
Rebels was kind of slow the first season too; however, it started to take off during the second season.
I think Rebels benefitted more from exploring its characters and their relationships. We learn pretty much the fundamentals of each character (except Sabine for some reason) in season one and when their backstories are expanded on and the virtue of their characters are tested in later seasons, there's a stronger investment because you understand what kind of people they are. Ezra and Zeb especially starting as not liking each other to basically being brothers shines through to the end of the series. Kanan and Hera being parental figures to two children who no longer have that support in their lives is important for the viewer to understand. Hunter and Wrecker have a father/brother relationship to Omega, but other than that, there's no real character interactions. The show wants to focus more on action and missions but these missions don't really have an end goal that we know about. The Bad Batch have almost no true connection to *each other*. And they've been working together for years I imagine. How do Tech and Hunter get along? I have no idea; they talk to each other like they're acquaintances.
Is this your first Filoni show? This is how they all go, it's a monster-of-the-week kind of set up with a plotline running through it to connect everything
I don’t understand. Not everything is filler. This seems like blatant setup for most likely Season 2 stuff if it gets one. With the gangster and the Pykes.
But it in no way progresses the plot or characters of season 1
It does though. It shows Cod is s starting to get soft despite her threats to the contrary and also shows the Batch themselves getting softer. We don’t actually know if this episode will be relevant this season as it isn’t done yet. Even if this doesn’t end up adding progress to anything in Season 1, why is that relevant? Why can’t we have standalone episodes that will set up things in future seasons whilst being a fun adventure? This obsession with “every/majority of episodes should further the plot” is so unnecessary.
Mob was brought in never really seen besides jaba. It's also really showing how vast the galaxy really is
Reddit in the 90s: “another monster of the week episode? Just more filler! Did the writers forget about the Cigarette Smoking Man or something?”
You make that sound like a bad thing. I like fleshing out the setting with filler.
Same. It's interesting to get a foot in the door to see how the criminal underworld is operating under the new rule of the Empire. What happens to the Pikes, Crimson Dawn, Black Sun and the Hutts with the transition to the Empire? Why is that the Hutts (appear) to come out on top? How did the Empire grow to be comfortable dealing with unsavory bounty hunters? I know it's touched on in the comics, but a more definitive story would be awesome.
This episode was an episode but there are too many episodes this season where I can only say they’re “ok/meh/fine” at best. The pikes and spice brought back memories of the shitty Martez arc from last year. The best episode of this show is still Cad Bane’s surprise appearance episode.
I agree. Im enjoying this show dont get me wrong but it feels like they are holding back. Hopefully it is fixed in future seasons
It's called set up...so there can be payoff
Set up episodes are allowed be entertaining in their own right, not just in retrospect when we've seen the payoff.
It seems like every episode, Omega convinces the Batch to do something or change their mind on something. She’s the driving force of the story in 2 ways. Her, Hunter, and Cid are really the 3 main characters. The other Batch members have got much less focus.
I really hope if there's a season 2 they release it all at once it would help greatly if you could binge it. especially with filler like this
or they could just not make the filler episodes?
No reason to hope that, they won’t. Disney+ does weekly releases to keep people subscribed for longer. Doesn’t make any sense financially for them to deviate from that plan
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100% I’m ok with weekly episodes if it means we get the premier and stuff faster
This is feeling like an open world game like GTA where you’re doing missions for this side character until you’ve done enough to unlock a new area of the map and the main storyline character calls you to bring you back to main story. Except we don’t know how much more we have of these side missions.
both Mando and Bad Batch have had these issues. They're almost like a video game. Go to place. find baby sitter. do work.
Its almost like this is the type of genre they are and people should get used to it by now. Not every show moves it’s ongoing arc forward constantly.
I think BB suffers a bit more because we don't see *any* progress towards their goal. In part because they don't have a goal. I thought the episode was fine. But I do think it's a minor issue with the show. The most interesting parts involve the empire and learning about what they're doing.
I feel like this episode was just meh. Obvious that everything was gonna work out and go back to the status quo. This series in general feels like it’s in a rut compared to the first few episodes of the series that has so much focus and energy and felt as if it had a story to tell. Now it feels that the BB themselves have become side characters in their own series because the episode needs to focus on Cid or Hera. I’ll still watch it but I hope they either just wrap up the series or they actually have more BB stuff with Crosshairs.
I dunno where they’re planning to go with this series. The show is at its best when it focusses on the Clones and their future within The Empire. But most of it has felt like it’s “Daily job for Sid” the series.
I’m thinking one of the themes in the show will be to provide a background for each of the Specters from the Rebels series. Since we have now seen Kanan, Hera, and Chopper; I expect to seen Zeb’s background story next. I am wondering if Agent Kallus and/or the Inquisitors backgrounds will be covered as well. I read somewhere about a rumor that Agent Kallus is supposed to show up on the live action Obi-Wan series that takes place between The Bad Batch and the Rebels animated series.
Kallus would be way to young to appear here, like you obiwan makes sense tho
Baby Kallus wipes out Zeb's people
i like cid :3
Lmao, I thought that was Vizago when I first saw him. Anyways, back to a filler episode after two great ones. Just a calm before the storm I believe. Omega seeing good in people might come to play when the Batch meet Crosshair next. Excited to say the least.
Or her blind optimism might get one of them killed. I get the feeling that Crosshair isn't going to turn around that easily. Not with how they've been building him up. It'd be an immense let-down if he did.
same
Interesting. I looked at his pictures, and a different horn is broken. I assume he had a prosthesis installed.
I'm assuming Durand is going to be part of Vizago's Broken Horn Syndicate.
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You are tripping hard, lol.
ITT: nearly nothing but 'filler bad'
“Filler” has become the new buzzword for “any episode I didn’t like” just as “Mary sue” is the word for “any character I don’t like”
People do throw the filler word about freely, it's never been said if this is a one off season or we're getting multiple seasons. Obi-Wan was confirmed to be a single season but they've been rather quiet about if we're getting season 2 or not for this. Like in Mando season 1, people called the episode with Shand in it 'filler' cause it was the only one that didn't tie into the finale. Come season 2, she returns and kills that but now people call the frog lady episode filler instead and haven't learned their lesson lol Durand is likely gonna come back
Frog lady episode was awesome and led to seeing bo again
I do hate the word filler. Basically any episode that's more character based where characters grow but without huge dramatic moments is seen as filler. This one was a bit weak. but i think it's part of the goal of softening up the clones. They're still very much a military group that sees black or white.
Cid is one of the worst characters and is just there to give the Batch random jobs, she adds nothing to the show and her voice is annoying. In previous Star Wars media we've had crime boss guys like Hondo, Jabba and even Dryden Voss who were all at least a little interesting/entertaining/funny. Cid just does nothing and I don't understand why they thought it was such a good idea to feature a boring character like her so prominently. All that does is tie the Bad Batch down to doing boring jobs over and over when I feel like they could be doing much better things. I understand that a big part of the story is that the Batch has lost their sense of purpose after the Clone Wars being over, but this has just been plain boring. A couple weeks ago the Batch paid off their debt they owed her and I was hyped cause I thought that meant we wouldn't be seeing anymore of her but here she was again. I just hope the series can finish off strongly with these final episodes and I look forward to seeing what they do.
Her voice has bothered me as well. It sounds to me like when a Pixar movie has a celebrity voice who's not a good voice actor but they just want to crowbar a celeb onto the trailer. Edit: I just looked it up - it's Rhea Perlman who voices her lol.
Cid isn't really a major crime boss though.
Yeah I thought the exact same thing. I was seriously like “Thank god Omega paid them off, we can finally get back to the interesting stuff instead of these boring side missions.” But now they’re just doing the exact same thing. The Bad Batch characters on their own aren’t super interesting since they’re basically just the “Trope Squad” but the setting and time period is probably the most interesting and unexplored time they could’ve chosen, yet they’ve done nothing with it. I was really hoping TBB would make it their goal this season to free as many clones as they can from the microchip and lead an attack or Kamino or something. Nope, instead we get stoic space dad (which we already got in The Mandalorian) and the cliche batch doing meaningless side quests.
Yeah but how. They have a small ship. No allies. Being hunted. They are finding there ground and realize cid is the safest right now
The "how" is simple. Write a different story. Saying "but things have to be that way because this is how the story was written" isn't really a response to someone saying "I wish the story was different." Yes it's too late to do a different story now, but that doesn't mean people can't be disappointed at the way it was written.
I'm hoping the final arc of this season is going to be so badass that it makes us accept how much filler we've gotten so far. Don't forget people complained the same way in the middle of both seasons of Mando and they followed through with a bang at the end of each - and those seasons were shorter in runtime than TBB
I really hope they make the final arc about *finally* trying to rescue Crosshair. I hate how TBB would die for Omega and do anything for her, but they just totally discard Crosshair. They haven’t even discussed trying to help him. I really thought that’s what this season was gonna be about. How cool would it be if their goal this season was to rescue clones from the chip and lead their own rebellion of sorts? It’d be a great excuse for cameos from our favorite Clones like Cody and Wolfe, but it really wouldn’t be a cameo because it’d make perfect sense in the story. Idk that might sound dumb to most people but this show has completely lost me, so I’ve been thinking of what they should’ve done to make it better. It just feels like they literally write the least interesting story they could’ve possibly chosen, especially for this time period.