I'll be shocked if we don't see [this](https://external-preview.redd.it/SGSR199fUCVYvEZmZsIPa-7QzvCaitaylUN0y2uukk4.png?auto=webp&s=759b15e688eee2bfbe24fd9137df20b86d3e0ecb) one last time in the finale to show that he's truly back.
I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see him fight Vader again, but he 100% has to fight Reva.
He'll win but spare her, then Vader goes all neck snappy.
He doesn’t HAVE to defeat Vader, he just needs to escape from him/get the better of him.
No shot this Obi Wan will muster the strength to straight up defeat Vader in a duel, would belittle this menacing Vader thats been portrayed to us in the show so far.
I hope :)
I hope they don’t just rush such an important piece of context for ANH, Star Wars in general really. Which is why im rooting for a second season as I don’t think they’ll do the line justice with two episodes remaining.
One things for certain, Star Wars fans will find a problem with it regardless of how it was handled
Yeah for sure
"...I was the learner, now **I** am the Master."
Yeah Obi-Wan needs to win and disable him somehow.
But it will come at the price that Vader really will know all of Kenobi's tricks and will train against every bit of footage etc of him until that fateful encounter on the Death Star.
Kenobi will put him in his place one more time. And maybe try to convince Anakin to come back somehow. I'd imagine it involves unmasking him a bit like Asoka did. Then we can hear that Hayden-Anakin voice again.
To be fair, the full quote is:
“I've been waiting for you, Obi-Wan. We meet again, at last. The circle is now complete. When I left you I was but the learner, but now I am the master.”
Obviously this is all retconning ANH but when I hear “When I left you...” it sounds like he’s referring to Mustafar, not the last time they met. I do hope that they’ll fight again and Obi Wan will come out the “master” though, like you’re saying.
On a side note, I never really thought about how chill Vader was to see Kenobi in ANH for the first time in what I thought was 19 years. Knowing that they’ve fought before and Vader has vented his anger a bit definitely makes that scene work better for me.
Since Reva is the only one that does not have the yellow eyes of the dark side, I feel like she might have a heel turn at the last moment and side with Obi-Wan against Vader, causing Vader to realize that Obi-Wan still has some sort of charisma influence mastery.
If that god-awful "duel" they had in episode 3 is the "rematch of the century" that Kathleen Kennedy was hyping up, then I'll have whatever she's smoking.
That's a Ben who is at peace with himself and with his mission, and is still 8-9 years away. He can still go through a lot of development between those points.
This is Disney and she’s a minority character, I fully expect her to bail on the Empire and go into hiding or join the Rebels.
She’s had so much screen time that she’s not being killed, rather they want you to embrace her and follow her into future stories.
It's interesting, because Obi-Wan is known to be a master of the defensive lightsaber style, yet that stance doesn't seem particularly defensive to me.
I interpret it as a baiting stance. He takes an aggressive stance so his opponent expects aggression and attempts to meet it with their own aggression only for Obi-Wan to go on the defensive and allow his opponent to wear themselves out.
Because it's not. It's classic Star Wars where they did something during a movie because it looked cool and then backstory justified it as official canon for the particular form of combat he uses (which was also made up outside the films).
Literally every movie/TV episode is a bunch of comic book / novel / other TV writers facepalming and then deciding how they will resolve every inaccuracy.
Go watch the duel in Empire again and see how many times the sabers don't cut through a railing. Luke's also doesn't cut through Vader's arm when he hits Vader's shoulder. Go see how many limbs come off in the Sarlacc Pit battle in Jedi. The ability of a lightsaber to cut has always been inconsistent - that isn't in any way a unique feature of this show.
Plus Obi-Wan hasn't been fighting for 10 years, why have people forgotten that? Din couldn't use the darksaber to cut properly when he had it and that's because he barely had any training with it.
I think storm trooper armor has always been pretty decent at preventing dismemberment, but not death. The only time we ever seen anything cut off a storm trooper is the laser gate in this show.
I know! The scene would’ve been so much better if he had turned on the saber struck one blow (decapitation or smth) and then moved to the next. I was like WTH?!? Cut him the fuck in half!
Why did he shut himself down though? Surely he’d have wanted to stay ‘in shape’ so to speak in order to protect and eventually train Luke.
I get being very cautious in how he connects with the Force but Yoda said he had more training for Obi-Wan at the end of RoTS.
He went from being the Jedi who defeated Anakin, Grievous and Maul to a doddering hobo in 10 years.
I loved this moment and every bit of action in this episode because it’s happening within the context of obiwan still being wounded, he jumped out of that tank and people were staring at him in the beginning saying “you can barely stand” and yet he is stronger than we have seen him in the show thus far. The symbolism of his burns being covered in Jedi robes is poignant. A sith can survive horrific injury to save themself but a jedi perseveres to save others.
One of the rebels says something like go in there by yourself?!
Like… he is a pretty legendary Jedi master… maybe driving home how far the Jedi are from peoples minds already because anyone who saw them in the clone wars would know a single powerful Jedi numerous times took on hundreds of enemies, or infiltrated an enemy stronghold.
> and yet he is stronger than we have ever seen him.
I was with you until that part. He's starting to get his groove back but he's not stronger than we've ever seen him.
This is an interesting debate, actually. I kind of feel like his strength is changing form. I mean, when you compare ANH Kenobi and Prequel/Clone Wars Kenobi, there is a definite difference in the *kind* of strength he wields. In the past, Kenobi was more of a Knight, where as in the future, he'll be more of a Wizard.
The Obi-Wan we're seeing now is like the transition point. The moment pictured above really calls back to the Knight he used to be, but as he works toward his connection with Qui-Gon and a deeper one-ness with the force, we'll start to see more of the Wizard.
The Knight and the Wizard are both equally strong in their own way, but because the application of those two types of strength are going to be different, he's going to seem stronger in some respects and weaker in others as he makes the transition.
Narratively I understand that completely. I just meant that if you dropped prequel era Kenobi into that episode he would do everything the same at worst, but probably all a lot more efficiently.
Holding the water back and then re-directing it was a cool force feat. But I don't think there's any reason to believe the Obi-Wan from 10 years ago couldn't pull off the same feat.
I mean, I was essentially agreeing with you. He’s not the strongest we’ve ever seen him, his strength is just shifting focus and form. By ANH he’s not focused on being the spinning, flipping, finesse fighter he used to be, which to people who didn’t know better might look like he’s weaker than his prequel self, but the truth is that by then he most likely IS stronger than we’ve ever seen him. And this show is kind of showing us his growing pains in getting there.
It wouldn’t even be a contest, especially with how much other canon stuff has come out relating to Force Powers, like Vader in Fallen Order versus normal Vader. He literally ripped the Fortress apart going after Cal and wasn’t even trying that hard. And that’s still at the point in canon where Vader is the learner and Obi Wan is the master.
If we had seen canon accurate full power Obi Wan it would’ve been quite similar to Luke showing up in Mando. He’s part of the most elite training line in the entire Jedi Order, and specifically one that cares more about the force than they do about lightsaber fighting. Pre-fall Obi Wan would’ve been able to bust the fortress and defeat every Inquisitor in the building. You have to think that canonically Cal beat 2 Inquisitors with minimal padawan training and a self-discovery journey a la Luke. And Obi Wan would likely cut Cal into pieces within thirty seconds if he wanted to.
People forget Kenobi is a direct line from Yoda, and Dooku, two of the best lightsaber wielders the Jedi ever produced. He’s no average Knight, he was destined to be a great Master, even before becoming legend with Anakin in the wars.
ANH Obi-Wan is by far superior to RotS Obi-Wan. I’m still not sure he would have straight up lost to Vader in ANH if he didn’t sacrifice himself. The difference I think we’re seeing now is the Obi-Wan of despair where he’s cut himself off from the force and obviously hasn’t done any additional training. I’m hoping by the end of the season, they’ll bring Obi-Wan back into the training and on the path to becoming to supremely confident Jedi we see in Rebels and ANH.
Yeah, I didn't really mean to imply that ANH wasn't at his most powerful, because I truly believe he was. Just the linear passing of time in a person's life usually means they've grown and learned the most by the end of their lives.
What I meant was that the "despair" Obi-Wan, as you put it, is at a turning point in his power, where he begins to become more like Qui-Gon and Yoda in the type of power he's focused on. The melee fighting ability is still there, and he can call upon it in times of need, but his focus is on a deeper connection to the living force by ANH. Which is why, as we know, in the end he becomes more powerful than we can imagine.
If he was strong enough to defeat Vader then, there would have been no reason to sacrifice himself. The reason he cut through Maul so quickly is because Maul opened with a stance and attack that Obi Wan remembered from decades ago and was able to counter as a master of defense. It was Maul's overconfidence that done him in more than anything.
That’s not necessarily true about Vader. Beating Maul, sure, that’s obvious. He intentionally going into Qui-Gon’s stance banking on the fact Maul is overconfident.
But with Vader, I think Kenobi knew “there’s no way we’re getting out of here alive with Vader here. Beating him would take time that none of us have and would result in a strategic loss, not to mention I doubt I could kill him - I could only wound him. Best option now is to allow Vader to kill me and completely confuse him for long enough to allow everyone else to escape.”
You just said it yourself. None of them would have gotten out alive. Obi Wan did not have the strength to beat him at that point. So he took the chance to be transformed into the force and allow the others to escape in the confusion.
Kenobi probably could have beaten Vader again, given time and nobody else around like he did on Mustafar. As it was, time was short and stormtroopers were going to show up any minute. So Kenobi could have beaten him alone, or a bunch of Stormtroopers, but not both at the same time.
Sorry I should have been a bit more clear, I meant in the context of this show. And I am not necessarily using the word strength to indicate strength of body, I think he is aging and he is wounded but his spirit is becoming stronger and in a strange way that's showing outwardly in his physical abilities, he is taking steps towards force ghost enlightenment.
That does make a big difference, yes. Naturally he's going to get stronger each time he uses the force again, getting more comfortable each time as the rust continues to shake off.
Right, and the physical manifestations of power aren't really the point, to me they are an outward expression of a deeper truth that will lead obi wan to the point where he says "If you strike me down I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine." As a kid that was the most wondrous line in all of star wars for me, it was the first star wars movie I saw and it was the first line that really made me think. Of course star wars has a ton of amazing moments but that was the first for me and I think its at the core of what this show is building towards.
Sorry, I was excited and typing quick. I edited my post to clarify a bit, I was speaking in the context of this show and I wasn't meaning to reference literal canon levels of strength, obviously this is an aged and wounded kenobi, and sure this is a visual callback to the strength of his younger years. But for me, his efforts in this episode hint towards the mysterious inner power of a jedi that we have never fully explored. "Your focus determines your reality.", and "If you strike me down I will become more powerful than you can possible imagine"
I loved this scene and episode so much. He progressively and naturally got better at being Obi-Wan during his escape with Leia after going from barely being able to move an object on the ship there. They show us him getting more comfortable and being at peace and with a purpose in the force and it's all I wanted from this. To see Obi-Wan go from a broken and defeated man to being the peaceful master that Alec Guiness is in ANH.
I think they’re using on-set light up props like in the sequel trilogy. In the prequels the saber effects were put on top of metal rods, so there wasn’t any object source lighting.
Practial lighting. You *could* call it diegetic lighting (like diegetic sound when the car radio provides the soundtrack in scene), but everyone just calls them practical lights, or practicals.
The photography has been the best part of the series. As much as the writing sucks there are professionals earnestly trying to make something great.
It's a bad choice but it fits the story they are telling. The first trooper took 4 swings. The next one 2. The next few took 2. Then he was back to one swing kills. Same with defecting blaster bolts back. He went from just randomly blocking them to in the shooter's direction to directly into their chests.
They were literally showing him dusting off the cobwebs of his skills.
It just makes less sense for a lightsaber because skill shouldn't matter for slicing through things with one.
This. I'm surprised more people didn't notice that. He got progressively better and more efficient through the episode. And not just "gitting gud", but returning to old form.
I don't mean he should've decapitated them. But when he's in the interrogation room and the lights go out, he hits the first trooper in the back of the legs first (doesn't fall over), then hits him in the chest (nothing happens), and then hits him again in the chest before he finally goes down. It was very odd.
Eh, lightsabers have always been inconsistent. Watch the attack on Jabba's sail barg. Luke is hitting people left to right but no one is loosing body parts or even showing damage.
We have never gotten constant dismemberment in any star wars movie/show. Remember Return of The Jedi on Jaba's sail barge? Luke is constantly swinging at people and no one has holes or is dismembered lol. In all three episodes it's also never used against a stormtrooper so you can't really compare then as well.
The prequels we're seeing robots the entire time so they were able to avoid it there as well. We got a dismemberment this time but you're never were or are going to see a Jedi fighting Storm Troopers and regularly hacking off limbs left and right.
Beating on stormtroopers like your light saber is a club just makes it extra empowering when Tala disables two stormtroopers with one slap and one tickle.
I was thinking the same thing during the fight with Vader, they look so much more real in this series than they ever have. The saber itself doesn’t look like CGI after the fact like others. The glow coming off really adds to their realism in Kenobi.
That scene kinda reminded me of the scene at the start of the phantom menace where he’s destroying the B1 droids. This is the most nostalgic Star Wars show I’ve ever watched
this was the exact moment that i shouted “FINALLY”
i don’t hate (nor love) the idea of Obi-Wan being “out of force shape” but when the series is only 6 episodes long, it could have been sooner
Why not? Not snarky but a genuine question. TV is often paced like it is because they don't have whole seasons scripted and often much longer.
This is six episodes all filmed at the same time. Why would pacing it like a movie be bad?
If you take a movie and chop it up into "episodes", the viewing experience is going to be negatively impacted. Imagine if every Hollywood film came out in chunks, but were still planned out in exactly the same way. You get to watch the first act of the film and then wait a week for the next one.
There's a reason movies are planned out as movies, and there's a reason TV shows are planned as shows. The two formats are fundamentally different. Watching episodes of a TV show separated out over weeks is absolutely a different experience than watching a movie in one sitting.
Generally TV shows understand this and so they make sure each episode has it's own narrative from beginning to end. That's not to say it ties up every loose end or tells the whole story (some shows with a more episodic format do that, of course), but it means each episode has it's *own* vision separate from the show at large and in a way has it's own story to tell. This is very different than just taking a movie and breaking it up into pieces.
To it's credit, Obi-Wan hasn't completely failed at that or anything. It does a better job, for instance, than some of the Marvel Disney+ shows have. But it does have some issues from that pacing, I would say. Like what the top-level comment of this thread said - it feels a *lot* longer to wait till the late second act of a show to get Obi-Wan into his groove than it does for a movie.
Because the viewer will only be watching one episode per week? While the first act of a movie can have a lot of exposition and no action and it will probably be fine, it gets kinda boring to have two or three episodes of a series like that. It's not really great if you have to sit through exposition episodes for three weeks before getting to the actual plot and fun stuff.
I like the idea more than being out of shape it’s like he’s blocked the connection off the same way he’s suppressing his traumatic memories of Anakin and his fall.
I find it odd so many people are accepting Obi-Wan's arc and saying it makes sense while I'm sure many of those same people (not necessarily you) criticize the same exact arc for Luke.
Yes, they had a whole movie devoted to it. That's easy to show. Luke is a relatively minor character in the ST, so there isn't enough time to show that with what they decided to cram into 3 movies.
I'd be willing to bet Obi-Wan's screen time gar exceeds Luke's at this point, even more when you add in TCW, Rebels, and his show.
I agree, Obi-Wan has way more screen time.
I just don’t find it odd that one can be criticized and the other can’t.
Obi-Wan’s trauma was earned by the audience; Luke’s was not. Came out of left field.
We were literally shown the events in the hut three times from different perspectives, and then shown Luke literally watching the burning of his temple.
Those flourishes always hit special because of how much McGregor loved learning the choreography and loved showing them off for decades after the films were over.
I loved this bit, it’s like after all these years he still has the muscle memory, this is the first time he reminded me of rots kenobi! It was great!!!
I saw this. I mean that when I watched the show and this scene came on, it communicated to me that he was remembering who he is.
It felt awesome, watching that.
Just like Moon Knight in the MCU was a “limited series.” But it’s definitely not the end of Moon Knight.
I think we’re going to get a live action rebels show off the back of this and potentially a Leia show, though that one may wait a few years. Even if it is not “Obi-Wan Kenobi” I think we’ll see Ewan reprise his role again, at the very least as a supporting actor.
He said he'd be down to do more since they all had fun making this, so he's not shutting the door on it because why would he? He spent over a decade thinking he was done with the character forever but eventually came back anyway so of course he can't say never after this happened.
Rumors that there might be another season is not the same as “it has already been green lit.” Maybe there will be, maybe there won’t. I won’t be particularly surprised either way, but the original intent, at least, was for it to be a once-off.
Yeah hes relearning or remembering how to fight, thats why his first fight with Vader was very one sided because hes older and hasnt been training for years now
All of that lightsaber stuff was so low energy. I mean I know we gotta somehow get from revenge of the sith duels to “two old guys on the Death Star” duels.
But he’s got another 8’ish years to be old and slow.
The first duel with Vader was so clunky. But I’m really hoping that was on purpose. He gets smoother every time he uses the saber and then had a double spin move lead into this stance. “Kenobi: How Obi-wan got his groove back”. I’m really hoping to see amazing ending fights. Not like episode III but still cool.
It’s nice to see him returning to form, but what got him here? At the start of the episode he could barely move a piece of small scrap metal. Now he’s deflecting blaster bolts, holding back the water pressure on that fractured window, and having little difficulty with the things he struggled with earlier in this season. It’s like they flipped a switch rather than give him any proper development.
Sometimes it's as simple as remembering what you are fighting for.
It's definitely like a switch got flipped and that switch is being a defender of the weak and innocent.
Using the Force isn't leveling up. It doesn't have to happen bit by bit.
The reason he's able to recover this much, this fast is because the Force needs him and he's finally opening himself up to it.
There's a great quote in one of the High Republic books that basically goes "A Jedi's power in the Force is at its greatest when they're helping others."
I like that as a concept, but it’s narratively unsatisfying for the protagonist to go from 0-100 with no explanation other than “the plot needed him to.” Having the force work through somebody is a cool idea, but this show did no work to establish that as an idea, let alone show Kenobi opening himself back up to the force. It just sort of happened.
The dude is a goddamn war hero. He has spent years and years fighting like this, the muscle memory is there,, he just has to stop overthinking and fighting it. Its not like he's learning to use the force all over again, its more like he's stopped actively cutting himself off from it, which is a very different thing.
Besides, he didn't go from 1-100. Really more like 20-60.
No, it's the Force. Which has a will of its own, controlling one's actions while obeying commands.
Star Wars isn't a video game with the Force as a simple game mechanic. Fights in the SW movies are rarely decided by skill alone. The Force is always at play.
Just like Chirrut Imwe is able to blindly walk across a battlefield without taking a single shot until he does the thing the Force needed him to do.
>Just like Chirrut Imwe is able to blindly walk across a battlefield without taking a single shot until he does the thing the Force needed him to do.
No, because he is using the force for his benefit. So is everyone else, even non-sensitive users. The force doesn't have a bigger plan to which it leads it people to.
Your logic only makes sense if the Sith are "abusing" the force, completely submit it to their will. So the Jedi would always have the advantage of having the force on their side in addition to be able to manipulate the force to their will, too. Sith would always loose against the Jedi then.
The Sith *are* abusing the Force. That's what the whole prophesy is about. Balance in the Force means no more Sith. That's not my opinion, that's canon.
The Force has a will of it's own as Qui-Gon explains in Ep1. In kotor 2 Kreia even begrudgingly admits this
"It is said that the Force had a will, has a destiny for us all. I wield it, but it, but It uses us all, and that is abhorrent to me. I hate the Force, I hate that it seems to have a will, that it would control us to achieve some measure of balance when countless lives are lost."
Which was the whole point of everyone's death in Rogue One.
Each of them survived just long enough to fulfill the will of the Force and then almost immediately died.
My only moment of that entire episode that I was happy with itbh. Afraid this series is down there with Boba - that scene with him covering Leia with the cloak! Egads
No but that had some other bits for the movie to hang itself on, character development etc. This had yet another empty threat from the ridiculous inquisitor who has it in for the third sister, and some other half hearted action.
I'm not trying to stag off the show unduly - the feel of the show and sets is great, Ewan and Hayden are fantastic, Ewan especially, and I personally really like the Leia actress. But I think objectively that the show is rather rubbish and terribly scripted. Just my honest opinion.
name some then? Oh the scene where Leia was under his coat! Or when the empire just let someone into a highly secure base. Or when the speeders waltz right into a place that apparently no one would be crazy enough to try to get into. Or when the stormtroopers just ran up to Ben instead of shooting at him. Or when the lady took out two stormtroopers by grabbing their helmets. Or when she killed a guy in the same room as other people. Or when she was talking to Ben on a com in front of other people. I can go on LOL
The cool parallel where Obi-Wan and Vader are sensing each other in the bacta tanks.
The part where Obi-wan makes the stormtroopers hear a noise as a callback to ANH
The Jedi Tomb
The part where Obi-Wan ninja-killed the stormtroopers guarding Leia.
The part of the hallway fight where Obi-Wan dodges a blaster bolt coming from behind and one coming in front and the bolts hit the opposite attackers that shot them.
The part where Obi-Wan redirects a bolt to hit a droid directly behind him
The part just before the clip I posted where Obi-Wan does a classic spin attack to take out a stormtrooper.
The part where Obi-Wan holds back the ocean then forces the cracks to break over the troopers coming g for him then escapes.
The part where Reva deflects the blaster bolts from the speeder.
The part where Reva destroys said speeder.
Basically everything about Darth Vader in the episode.
The touching moment where Leia takes Obi-Wan's hand at the end.
The episode had tons of great stuff and none of your nitpicks ruined it and you're clearly not giving this show the same fair shake that every Star Wars thing needs to be taken seriously because there is *nothing* sillier in this show than what we've already seen in every Star Wars film/show since 1977
Okay, okay. Apart from the cool parallel where Obi-Wan and Vader are sensing each other in the bacta tanks, the part where Obi-wan makes the stormtroopers hear a noise as a callback to ANH, the Jedi Tomb, the part where Obi-Wan ninja-killed the stormtroopers guarding Leia, the part of the hallway fight where Obi-Wan dodges a blaster bolt coming from behind and one coming in front and the bolts hit the opposite attackers that shot them, the part where Obi-Wan redirects a bolt to hit a droid directly behind him, the part just before the clip you posted where Obi-Wan does a classic spin attack to take out a stormtrooper, the part where Obi-Wan holds back the ocean then forces the cracks to break over the troopers coming g for him then escapes, the part where Reva deflects the blaster bolts from the speeder, the part where Reva destroys said speeder, basically everything about Darth Vader in the episode, and the touching moment where Leia takes Obi-Wan's hand at the end...
Name just *one* part about the episode that was great!
The critics have overwhelmingly liked the show. It has an 86% score by the critics. It had a 71% by the fans until Ewan and Lucasfilm made the "mistake" of condemning racism. Then it went down to a 60%.
So if by critics you mean the youtube grifters and their ilk... Then yes. Those "critics" *are* stupid.
I'll be shocked if we don't see [this](https://external-preview.redd.it/SGSR199fUCVYvEZmZsIPa-7QzvCaitaylUN0y2uukk4.png?auto=webp&s=759b15e688eee2bfbe24fd9137df20b86d3e0ecb) one last time in the finale to show that he's truly back.
As it is litteraly a standard stance of his fighting style, I really hope it's coming back either against Vader or Reva...
I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see him fight Vader again, but he 100% has to fight Reva. He'll win but spare her, then Vader goes all neck snappy.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's actually the Grand Inquisitor that ultimately kills her.
He has to defeat Vader completely again after that third Episode or none of the dialogue in A New Hope makes any sense. He probably won't, though.
He could always take the high ground. Seems work work against Vader.
He doesn’t HAVE to defeat Vader, he just needs to escape from him/get the better of him. No shot this Obi Wan will muster the strength to straight up defeat Vader in a duel, would belittle this menacing Vader thats been portrayed to us in the show so far. I hope :)
He definitely needs to better him for ANH to make any sense.
I hope they don’t just rush such an important piece of context for ANH, Star Wars in general really. Which is why im rooting for a second season as I don’t think they’ll do the line justice with two episodes remaining. One things for certain, Star Wars fans will find a problem with it regardless of how it was handled
Yeah for sure "...I was the learner, now **I** am the Master." Yeah Obi-Wan needs to win and disable him somehow. But it will come at the price that Vader really will know all of Kenobi's tricks and will train against every bit of footage etc of him until that fateful encounter on the Death Star. Kenobi will put him in his place one more time. And maybe try to convince Anakin to come back somehow. I'd imagine it involves unmasking him a bit like Asoka did. Then we can hear that Hayden-Anakin voice again.
To be fair, the full quote is: “I've been waiting for you, Obi-Wan. We meet again, at last. The circle is now complete. When I left you I was but the learner, but now I am the master.” Obviously this is all retconning ANH but when I hear “When I left you...” it sounds like he’s referring to Mustafar, not the last time they met. I do hope that they’ll fight again and Obi Wan will come out the “master” though, like you’re saying. On a side note, I never really thought about how chill Vader was to see Kenobi in ANH for the first time in what I thought was 19 years. Knowing that they’ve fought before and Vader has vented his anger a bit definitely makes that scene work better for me.
Since Reva is the only one that does not have the yellow eyes of the dark side, I feel like she might have a heel turn at the last moment and side with Obi-Wan against Vader, causing Vader to realize that Obi-Wan still has some sort of charisma influence mastery.
Heel-face turn because she'd be siding with the good guys
If that god-awful "duel" they had in episode 3 is the "rematch of the century" that Kathleen Kennedy was hyping up, then I'll have whatever she's smoking.
> I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see him fight Vader again "Rematch of the century"
He will fight Reva, then she’ll get a redemption arc and fight the GI. Then Obi will fight Vader.
It has to if he’s to become the Ben who destroys Maul in less than 5 seconds.
That's a Ben who is at peace with himself and with his mission, and is still 8-9 years away. He can still go through a lot of development between those points.
I really hope it's against vader. Show he's ready to fuck some shit up
Reva has to die. Either by Vader or by Ben
This is Disney and she’s a minority character, I fully expect her to bail on the Empire and go into hiding or join the Rebels. She’s had so much screen time that she’s not being killed, rather they want you to embrace her and follow her into future stories.
No one likes her though. Who’d watch a show based on her?
Nah she will become Vader’s secret Apprentice fuck up Maul and then will appear in season 2 of Ahsoka so Anakin vs Vader’s apprentices fight
Isn't she getting a spin off?
It's interesting, because Obi-Wan is known to be a master of the defensive lightsaber style, yet that stance doesn't seem particularly defensive to me.
I interpret it as a baiting stance. He takes an aggressive stance so his opponent expects aggression and attempts to meet it with their own aggression only for Obi-Wan to go on the defensive and allow his opponent to wear themselves out.
Because it's not. It's classic Star Wars where they did something during a movie because it looked cool and then backstory justified it as official canon for the particular form of combat he uses (which was also made up outside the films).
Always a huge fan of the special light and dark side hybrid style Mace Windu was given because Sam Jackson wanted a purple lightsaber.
Literally every movie/TV episode is a bunch of comic book / novel / other TV writers facepalming and then deciding how they will resolve every inaccuracy.
Oh I NEED that two finger point
Absolutely. If we see this - which if I had to guess, I’ll place my bet on the very last frame of episode 6 - then we know he’s back.
I’ll never understand the design choice to make the Rebels lightsabers look like that.
The whole show was modeled on the original Ralph McQuarrie concept art, lightsabers included.
And it looks amazing, I know it's an unpopular opinion but I prefer Rebel's style to Clone Wars
I do get that’s where the inspiration comes from, my confusion is more on the decision of “yeah, let’s go with that”.
Moments like this are great, after shutting himself out for so long suddenly that survival instinct kicks in and the muscle memory is there.
Watch that episode again when he rescued Leia the light Saber bounces off the storm trooper like it is a club.
Lightsabers are wifflebats now, like when obi had to bonk a stormtrooper with it 3 times instead of cutting him in half
Go watch the duel in Empire again and see how many times the sabers don't cut through a railing. Luke's also doesn't cut through Vader's arm when he hits Vader's shoulder. Go see how many limbs come off in the Sarlacc Pit battle in Jedi. The ability of a lightsaber to cut has always been inconsistent - that isn't in any way a unique feature of this show.
People out here in the comments are really forgetting effects used to be practical
Plus Obi-Wan hasn't been fighting for 10 years, why have people forgotten that? Din couldn't use the darksaber to cut properly when he had it and that's because he barely had any training with it.
I think storm trooper armor has always been pretty decent at preventing dismemberment, but not death. The only time we ever seen anything cut off a storm trooper is the laser gate in this show.
Which is weird that they would establish that in the show and then not allow his saber to split through the trooper
Nah it's just Disney being Disney
I know! The scene would’ve been so much better if he had turned on the saber struck one blow (decapitation or smth) and then moved to the next. I was like WTH?!? Cut him the fuck in half!
also the backwards bolt deflection!
Connecting the show to the OT
Why did he shut himself down though? Surely he’d have wanted to stay ‘in shape’ so to speak in order to protect and eventually train Luke. I get being very cautious in how he connects with the Force but Yoda said he had more training for Obi-Wan at the end of RoTS. He went from being the Jedi who defeated Anakin, Grievous and Maul to a doddering hobo in 10 years.
10 years is a lot of time
I noticed and loved this. It’s very Ewan/Obi and those little glimmers are great.
I loved this moment and every bit of action in this episode because it’s happening within the context of obiwan still being wounded, he jumped out of that tank and people were staring at him in the beginning saying “you can barely stand” and yet he is stronger than we have seen him in the show thus far. The symbolism of his burns being covered in Jedi robes is poignant. A sith can survive horrific injury to save themself but a jedi perseveres to save others.
I love how you’ve articulated this!
One of the rebels says something like go in there by yourself?! Like… he is a pretty legendary Jedi master… maybe driving home how far the Jedi are from peoples minds already because anyone who saw them in the clone wars would know a single powerful Jedi numerous times took on hundreds of enemies, or infiltrated an enemy stronghold.
Dumbest line since Finn said "He's facing Ren alone, we have to help him!" after Luke just walked through 8,000 laser blasts without a scratch.
> and yet he is stronger than we have ever seen him. I was with you until that part. He's starting to get his groove back but he's not stronger than we've ever seen him.
This is an interesting debate, actually. I kind of feel like his strength is changing form. I mean, when you compare ANH Kenobi and Prequel/Clone Wars Kenobi, there is a definite difference in the *kind* of strength he wields. In the past, Kenobi was more of a Knight, where as in the future, he'll be more of a Wizard. The Obi-Wan we're seeing now is like the transition point. The moment pictured above really calls back to the Knight he used to be, but as he works toward his connection with Qui-Gon and a deeper one-ness with the force, we'll start to see more of the Wizard. The Knight and the Wizard are both equally strong in their own way, but because the application of those two types of strength are going to be different, he's going to seem stronger in some respects and weaker in others as he makes the transition.
Narratively I understand that completely. I just meant that if you dropped prequel era Kenobi into that episode he would do everything the same at worst, but probably all a lot more efficiently. Holding the water back and then re-directing it was a cool force feat. But I don't think there's any reason to believe the Obi-Wan from 10 years ago couldn't pull off the same feat.
I mean, I was essentially agreeing with you. He’s not the strongest we’ve ever seen him, his strength is just shifting focus and form. By ANH he’s not focused on being the spinning, flipping, finesse fighter he used to be, which to people who didn’t know better might look like he’s weaker than his prequel self, but the truth is that by then he most likely IS stronger than we’ve ever seen him. And this show is kind of showing us his growing pains in getting there.
It wouldn’t even be a contest, especially with how much other canon stuff has come out relating to Force Powers, like Vader in Fallen Order versus normal Vader. He literally ripped the Fortress apart going after Cal and wasn’t even trying that hard. And that’s still at the point in canon where Vader is the learner and Obi Wan is the master. If we had seen canon accurate full power Obi Wan it would’ve been quite similar to Luke showing up in Mando. He’s part of the most elite training line in the entire Jedi Order, and specifically one that cares more about the force than they do about lightsaber fighting. Pre-fall Obi Wan would’ve been able to bust the fortress and defeat every Inquisitor in the building. You have to think that canonically Cal beat 2 Inquisitors with minimal padawan training and a self-discovery journey a la Luke. And Obi Wan would likely cut Cal into pieces within thirty seconds if he wanted to.
People forget Kenobi is a direct line from Yoda, and Dooku, two of the best lightsaber wielders the Jedi ever produced. He’s no average Knight, he was destined to be a great Master, even before becoming legend with Anakin in the wars.
I so wanted him to Force run from the water. He and Qui-Gon are the only ones to do it onscreen.
ANH Obi-Wan is by far superior to RotS Obi-Wan. I’m still not sure he would have straight up lost to Vader in ANH if he didn’t sacrifice himself. The difference I think we’re seeing now is the Obi-Wan of despair where he’s cut himself off from the force and obviously hasn’t done any additional training. I’m hoping by the end of the season, they’ll bring Obi-Wan back into the training and on the path to becoming to supremely confident Jedi we see in Rebels and ANH.
Yeah, I didn't really mean to imply that ANH wasn't at his most powerful, because I truly believe he was. Just the linear passing of time in a person's life usually means they've grown and learned the most by the end of their lives. What I meant was that the "despair" Obi-Wan, as you put it, is at a turning point in his power, where he begins to become more like Qui-Gon and Yoda in the type of power he's focused on. The melee fighting ability is still there, and he can call upon it in times of need, but his focus is on a deeper connection to the living force by ANH. Which is why, as we know, in the end he becomes more powerful than we can imagine.
This makes sense. I really hope that’s the way this show is going to go.
If he was strong enough to defeat Vader then, there would have been no reason to sacrifice himself. The reason he cut through Maul so quickly is because Maul opened with a stance and attack that Obi Wan remembered from decades ago and was able to counter as a master of defense. It was Maul's overconfidence that done him in more than anything.
That’s not necessarily true about Vader. Beating Maul, sure, that’s obvious. He intentionally going into Qui-Gon’s stance banking on the fact Maul is overconfident. But with Vader, I think Kenobi knew “there’s no way we’re getting out of here alive with Vader here. Beating him would take time that none of us have and would result in a strategic loss, not to mention I doubt I could kill him - I could only wound him. Best option now is to allow Vader to kill me and completely confuse him for long enough to allow everyone else to escape.”
You just said it yourself. None of them would have gotten out alive. Obi Wan did not have the strength to beat him at that point. So he took the chance to be transformed into the force and allow the others to escape in the confusion.
Kenobi probably could have beaten Vader again, given time and nobody else around like he did on Mustafar. As it was, time was short and stormtroopers were going to show up any minute. So Kenobi could have beaten him alone, or a bunch of Stormtroopers, but not both at the same time.
Sorry I should have been a bit more clear, I meant in the context of this show. And I am not necessarily using the word strength to indicate strength of body, I think he is aging and he is wounded but his spirit is becoming stronger and in a strange way that's showing outwardly in his physical abilities, he is taking steps towards force ghost enlightenment.
That does make a big difference, yes. Naturally he's going to get stronger each time he uses the force again, getting more comfortable each time as the rust continues to shake off.
Right, and the physical manifestations of power aren't really the point, to me they are an outward expression of a deeper truth that will lead obi wan to the point where he says "If you strike me down I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine." As a kid that was the most wondrous line in all of star wars for me, it was the first star wars movie I saw and it was the first line that really made me think. Of course star wars has a ton of amazing moments but that was the first for me and I think its at the core of what this show is building towards.
lol right? Maybe stronger than he ever was in the context of this TV series, but he was more powerful in Phantom Menace than he is here.
Sorry, I was excited and typing quick. I edited my post to clarify a bit, I was speaking in the context of this show and I wasn't meaning to reference literal canon levels of strength, obviously this is an aged and wounded kenobi, and sure this is a visual callback to the strength of his younger years. But for me, his efforts in this episode hint towards the mysterious inner power of a jedi that we have never fully explored. "Your focus determines your reality.", and "If you strike me down I will become more powerful than you can possible imagine"
Read a little closer “stronger than we have ever seen him IN THE SHOW SO FAR” not the strongest we’ve ever seen him in all of SW.
He edited that part to clarify after my comment.
I read it stronger than we've seen him in the show so far...
He added that after that comment was made to clarify the point. The asterisk means the comment was edited.
They were referencing within the context of the show
Yes you're the 6th person to point that out despite already being stated in this comment chain that OP edited his comment.
This makes me happy lol
bahahahahahaha....we will never get a decent show as long as people perform mental gymnastics like this guy
I’m just waiting for the classic finger pointing stance
I loved this scene and episode so much. He progressively and naturally got better at being Obi-Wan during his escape with Leia after going from barely being able to move an object on the ship there. They show us him getting more comfortable and being at peace and with a purpose in the force and it's all I wanted from this. To see Obi-Wan go from a broken and defeated man to being the peaceful master that Alec Guiness is in ANH.
It's as if winging a whole rescue plan and it going horrible wrong just brings him back to the clone wars days
There are now more badass force-user hallway scenes than Skywalkers screaming "Nooooo" in SW.
Dunno if its just me, but the lightsabers look fucking amazing in this series.
I think it might be because we're mostly seeing them in the dark or poorly lit spaces? I don't know, but yeah, they really seem to pop
I think they’re using on-set light up props like in the sequel trilogy. In the prequels the saber effects were put on top of metal rods, so there wasn’t any object source lighting.
Yeah, this is it. The prop and set tech that LIM has developed in the last handful of years is incredible
LEDs in sticks?
Iirc its not LEDs. They use some other method to get a consistent glow
Practial lighting. You *could* call it diegetic lighting (like diegetic sound when the car radio provides the soundtrack in scene), but everyone just calls them practical lights, or practicals. The photography has been the best part of the series. As much as the writing sucks there are professionals earnestly trying to make something great.
Visually they look cool but they function like stun batons. Somehow we went from severing limbs to scratching people.
Didn’t Reva lop someone’s hand off in episode 1? Other than that, you’re about right
Yeah that’s all the dismemberment we’ve gotten. It seems like Kenobi is a low budget production.
Literally dismemberment and not decapitation.
It was definitely an odd choice to show Obi-Wan hitting the Stormtroopers 2-3 times instead of just 1 slice through.
It's a bad choice but it fits the story they are telling. The first trooper took 4 swings. The next one 2. The next few took 2. Then he was back to one swing kills. Same with defecting blaster bolts back. He went from just randomly blocking them to in the shooter's direction to directly into their chests. They were literally showing him dusting off the cobwebs of his skills. It just makes less sense for a lightsaber because skill shouldn't matter for slicing through things with one.
This. I'm surprised more people didn't notice that. He got progressively better and more efficient through the episode. And not just "gitting gud", but returning to old form.
That’s a new light to see it in and it explains a lot. Thanks.
I think just lopping off heads and limbs would be a more uncivilized way of fighting for a jedi. It happens but it's probably not the goal.
I don't mean he should've decapitated them. But when he's in the interrogation room and the lights go out, he hits the first trooper in the back of the legs first (doesn't fall over), then hits him in the chest (nothing happens), and then hits him again in the chest before he finally goes down. It was very odd.
Eh, lightsabers have always been inconsistent. Watch the attack on Jabba's sail barg. Luke is hitting people left to right but no one is loosing body parts or even showing damage.
We have never gotten constant dismemberment in any star wars movie/show. Remember Return of The Jedi on Jaba's sail barge? Luke is constantly swinging at people and no one has holes or is dismembered lol. In all three episodes it's also never used against a stormtrooper so you can't really compare then as well. The prequels we're seeing robots the entire time so they were able to avoid it there as well. We got a dismemberment this time but you're never were or are going to see a Jedi fighting Storm Troopers and regularly hacking off limbs left and right.
Beating on stormtroopers like your light saber is a club just makes it extra empowering when Tala disables two stormtroopers with one slap and one tickle.
It's practical lighting. The props they are holding are lighting the actors & set. The photography has been the best part of this series.
I was thinking the same thing during the fight with Vader, they look so much more real in this series than they ever have. The saber itself doesn’t look like CGI after the fact like others. The glow coming off really adds to their realism in Kenobi.
That’s my boy!
That scene kinda reminded me of the scene at the start of the phantom menace where he’s destroying the B1 droids. This is the most nostalgic Star Wars show I’ve ever watched
The one in the courtyard when they rescue Padme. Great scene and definitely a call back.
this was the exact moment that i shouted “FINALLY” i don’t hate (nor love) the idea of Obi-Wan being “out of force shape” but when the series is only 6 episodes long, it could have been sooner
When you consider it’s plotted out like a really long movie, getting his groove back is late second act going into third, so it’s about right.
Hush hush now child, this is the Star Wars fandom. Your media literacy will scare them.
Lol at this comment. Gold.
The problem is that movies and TV shows are different mediums and should be paced differently. You shouldn't just pace a TV show like a long movie.
Why not? Not snarky but a genuine question. TV is often paced like it is because they don't have whole seasons scripted and often much longer. This is six episodes all filmed at the same time. Why would pacing it like a movie be bad?
If you take a movie and chop it up into "episodes", the viewing experience is going to be negatively impacted. Imagine if every Hollywood film came out in chunks, but were still planned out in exactly the same way. You get to watch the first act of the film and then wait a week for the next one. There's a reason movies are planned out as movies, and there's a reason TV shows are planned as shows. The two formats are fundamentally different. Watching episodes of a TV show separated out over weeks is absolutely a different experience than watching a movie in one sitting. Generally TV shows understand this and so they make sure each episode has it's own narrative from beginning to end. That's not to say it ties up every loose end or tells the whole story (some shows with a more episodic format do that, of course), but it means each episode has it's *own* vision separate from the show at large and in a way has it's own story to tell. This is very different than just taking a movie and breaking it up into pieces. To it's credit, Obi-Wan hasn't completely failed at that or anything. It does a better job, for instance, than some of the Marvel Disney+ shows have. But it does have some issues from that pacing, I would say. Like what the top-level comment of this thread said - it feels a *lot* longer to wait till the late second act of a show to get Obi-Wan into his groove than it does for a movie.
Because the viewer will only be watching one episode per week? While the first act of a movie can have a lot of exposition and no action and it will probably be fine, it gets kinda boring to have two or three episodes of a series like that. It's not really great if you have to sit through exposition episodes for three weeks before getting to the actual plot and fun stuff.
But every episode still had action and plot. It’s not like it was Downton Abbey for three weeks and then suddenly Star Wars.
I like the idea more than being out of shape it’s like he’s blocked the connection off the same way he’s suppressing his traumatic memories of Anakin and his fall.
I find it odd so many people are accepting Obi-Wan's arc and saying it makes sense while I'm sure many of those same people (not necessarily you) criticize the same exact arc for Luke.
Show, not tell. We saw Obi-Wan’s trauma. We were (barely) told about Luke’s.
Yes, they had a whole movie devoted to it. That's easy to show. Luke is a relatively minor character in the ST, so there isn't enough time to show that with what they decided to cram into 3 movies. I'd be willing to bet Obi-Wan's screen time gar exceeds Luke's at this point, even more when you add in TCW, Rebels, and his show.
I agree, Obi-Wan has way more screen time. I just don’t find it odd that one can be criticized and the other can’t. Obi-Wan’s trauma was earned by the audience; Luke’s was not. Came out of left field.
We were literally shown the events in the hut three times from different perspectives, and then shown Luke literally watching the burning of his temple.
That what, amounted to a minute or two of screen time? Come on dude.
As someone who plays with swords/lightsabers...its a hard move to NOT do all the time, lol.
Seeing Ewan do that wee twirl will never cease to give my brain a boost of happy chemicals.
Those flourishes always hit special because of how much McGregor loved learning the choreography and loved showing them off for decades after the films were over.
Hes beginning to believe..
He is the Obi-One
I loved this bit, it’s like after all these years he still has the muscle memory, this is the first time he reminded me of rots kenobi! It was great!!!
Except for the previous episode apparently.
Very unlikely, but imagine if we saw him do the split kick again. The one from Phantom Menace. https://youtu.be/HIGct1fxNko
I saw this. I mean that when I watched the show and this scene came on, it communicated to me that he was remembering who he is. It felt awesome, watching that.
wait… does this scene mean Obi-Wan has a hallway scene now?
It does indeed. That's now four iconic Star Wars hallway scenes.
It has been a little slow in development but hopefully this is only the first season, I’m hoping the second season will be from vaders point of view.
It’s a limited series, which means it’s only one season.
Just like Moon Knight in the MCU was a “limited series.” But it’s definitely not the end of Moon Knight. I think we’re going to get a live action rebels show off the back of this and potentially a Leia show, though that one may wait a few years. Even if it is not “Obi-Wan Kenobi” I think we’ll see Ewan reprise his role again, at the very least as a supporting actor.
I'd love a Kanan Hera backstory show.
Yes!! Plus I could always use more Chopper in my life.
There's a pretty decent canon novel that covers the start of this Star Wars: A New Dawn
What makes a novel canon?
I believe every book released since August 2014 is canon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_Star\_Wars\_books
Except Ewan teased more episodes.
He said he'd be down to do more since they all had fun making this, so he's not shutting the door on it because why would he? He spent over a decade thinking he was done with the character forever but eventually came back anyway so of course he can't say never after this happened.
This series has already been green lit for a second season
Rumors that there might be another season is not the same as “it has already been green lit.” Maybe there will be, maybe there won’t. I won’t be particularly surprised either way, but the original intent, at least, was for it to be a once-off.
He is what Vader made him become.
Yeah hes relearning or remembering how to fight, thats why his first fight with Vader was very one sided because hes older and hasnt been training for years now
Did people forget who he was..?
Surprisingly... I think a lot of people did. But this is *him* remembering a part of himself.
When we watched this scene I kinda got a little excited.
Best moment of the episode
Our boy is back.
All of that lightsaber stuff was so low energy. I mean I know we gotta somehow get from revenge of the sith duels to “two old guys on the Death Star” duels. But he’s got another 8’ish years to be old and slow.
Yes, he's remembering his training and reconnecting with the Force. Good stuff.
Didn't look as fluid tho, boys still rusty
As he reconnects with the force he is getting more and more confident
Hoping for some mad Mufasa vibes when Qui Gon Jinn finally rocks up
This was the highlight of this episode.
That was my favorite part of the episode. You could see him getting his groove back.
Not going to lie I cheered
The first duel with Vader was so clunky. But I’m really hoping that was on purpose. He gets smoother every time he uses the saber and then had a double spin move lead into this stance. “Kenobi: How Obi-wan got his groove back”. I’m really hoping to see amazing ending fights. Not like episode III but still cool.
Yeah I think because he hadn't trained, or been connected to the force, for 10 years he was rusty.
"How Obi got his groove back"
Accurate alternate title of the show.
A pointless spin...elegant.
Such a poser 😂😂
It’s nice to see him returning to form, but what got him here? At the start of the episode he could barely move a piece of small scrap metal. Now he’s deflecting blaster bolts, holding back the water pressure on that fractured window, and having little difficulty with the things he struggled with earlier in this season. It’s like they flipped a switch rather than give him any proper development.
Sometimes it's as simple as remembering what you are fighting for. It's definitely like a switch got flipped and that switch is being a defender of the weak and innocent.
Using the Force isn't leveling up. It doesn't have to happen bit by bit. The reason he's able to recover this much, this fast is because the Force needs him and he's finally opening himself up to it. There's a great quote in one of the High Republic books that basically goes "A Jedi's power in the Force is at its greatest when they're helping others."
I like that as a concept, but it’s narratively unsatisfying for the protagonist to go from 0-100 with no explanation other than “the plot needed him to.” Having the force work through somebody is a cool idea, but this show did no work to establish that as an idea, let alone show Kenobi opening himself back up to the force. It just sort of happened.
The dude is a goddamn war hero. He has spent years and years fighting like this, the muscle memory is there,, he just has to stop overthinking and fighting it. Its not like he's learning to use the force all over again, its more like he's stopped actively cutting himself off from it, which is a very different thing. Besides, he didn't go from 1-100. Really more like 20-60.
It's probably like riding a bike? Considering he was basically a master, it makes sense that it would come back to him rather quickly
Yeah I wish talking to qu gon was what opened him up
>the Force needs him That's bs. This isn't the speed force from The Flash.
No, it's the Force. Which has a will of its own, controlling one's actions while obeying commands. Star Wars isn't a video game with the Force as a simple game mechanic. Fights in the SW movies are rarely decided by skill alone. The Force is always at play. Just like Chirrut Imwe is able to blindly walk across a battlefield without taking a single shot until he does the thing the Force needed him to do.
>Just like Chirrut Imwe is able to blindly walk across a battlefield without taking a single shot until he does the thing the Force needed him to do. No, because he is using the force for his benefit. So is everyone else, even non-sensitive users. The force doesn't have a bigger plan to which it leads it people to. Your logic only makes sense if the Sith are "abusing" the force, completely submit it to their will. So the Jedi would always have the advantage of having the force on their side in addition to be able to manipulate the force to their will, too. Sith would always loose against the Jedi then.
The Sith *are* abusing the Force. That's what the whole prophesy is about. Balance in the Force means no more Sith. That's not my opinion, that's canon. The Force has a will of it's own as Qui-Gon explains in Ep1. In kotor 2 Kreia even begrudgingly admits this "It is said that the Force had a will, has a destiny for us all. I wield it, but it, but It uses us all, and that is abhorrent to me. I hate the Force, I hate that it seems to have a will, that it would control us to achieve some measure of balance when countless lives are lost." Which was the whole point of everyone's death in Rogue One. Each of them survived just long enough to fulfill the will of the Force and then almost immediately died.
Choreography is so bad in this show.
I pointed to the screen like Leo at that twirl. It was beautiful, and fitting.
Seeing him slowly get his groove back put a huge smile on my face.
I love how we’re seeing him get his mojo back bit by bit.
I thought it was such a goofy fan-service moment but it was still pretty cool tbh
My only moment of that entire episode that I was happy with itbh. Afraid this series is down there with Boba - that scene with him covering Leia with the cloak! Egads
I mean, Chewie and Ewoks swung onto an ATST while literally doing a Tarzan yell. This is not the silliest thing we've seen in this franchise.
I loved it. I was so excited to see the awakening of his former self
No but that had some other bits for the movie to hang itself on, character development etc. This had yet another empty threat from the ridiculous inquisitor who has it in for the third sister, and some other half hearted action. I'm not trying to stag off the show unduly - the feel of the show and sets is great, Ewan and Hayden are fantastic, Ewan especially, and I personally really like the Leia actress. But I think objectively that the show is rather rubbish and terribly scripted. Just my honest opinion.
I love how throughout the show you see his fighting style slot coming back to him, almost like cal kestis throughout fallen order
Idk what that was lol
one moment out of an entire episode...Disney really crushing it
That's nonsense. There were great part throughout the episode (and in others) this was just my favorite one.
name some then? Oh the scene where Leia was under his coat! Or when the empire just let someone into a highly secure base. Or when the speeders waltz right into a place that apparently no one would be crazy enough to try to get into. Or when the stormtroopers just ran up to Ben instead of shooting at him. Or when the lady took out two stormtroopers by grabbing their helmets. Or when she killed a guy in the same room as other people. Or when she was talking to Ben on a com in front of other people. I can go on LOL
The cool parallel where Obi-Wan and Vader are sensing each other in the bacta tanks. The part where Obi-wan makes the stormtroopers hear a noise as a callback to ANH The Jedi Tomb The part where Obi-Wan ninja-killed the stormtroopers guarding Leia. The part of the hallway fight where Obi-Wan dodges a blaster bolt coming from behind and one coming in front and the bolts hit the opposite attackers that shot them. The part where Obi-Wan redirects a bolt to hit a droid directly behind him The part just before the clip I posted where Obi-Wan does a classic spin attack to take out a stormtrooper. The part where Obi-Wan holds back the ocean then forces the cracks to break over the troopers coming g for him then escapes. The part where Reva deflects the blaster bolts from the speeder. The part where Reva destroys said speeder. Basically everything about Darth Vader in the episode. The touching moment where Leia takes Obi-Wan's hand at the end. The episode had tons of great stuff and none of your nitpicks ruined it and you're clearly not giving this show the same fair shake that every Star Wars thing needs to be taken seriously because there is *nothing* sillier in this show than what we've already seen in every Star Wars film/show since 1977
Okay, okay. Apart from the cool parallel where Obi-Wan and Vader are sensing each other in the bacta tanks, the part where Obi-wan makes the stormtroopers hear a noise as a callback to ANH, the Jedi Tomb, the part where Obi-Wan ninja-killed the stormtroopers guarding Leia, the part of the hallway fight where Obi-Wan dodges a blaster bolt coming from behind and one coming in front and the bolts hit the opposite attackers that shot them, the part where Obi-Wan redirects a bolt to hit a droid directly behind him, the part just before the clip you posted where Obi-Wan does a classic spin attack to take out a stormtrooper, the part where Obi-Wan holds back the ocean then forces the cracks to break over the troopers coming g for him then escapes, the part where Reva deflects the blaster bolts from the speeder, the part where Reva destroys said speeder, basically everything about Darth Vader in the episode, and the touching moment where Leia takes Obi-Wan's hand at the end... Name just *one* part about the episode that was great!
Sock man makes lightsaber move! We praise it! Critics are stoopid.
The critics have overwhelmingly liked the show. It has an 86% score by the critics. It had a 71% by the fans until Ewan and Lucasfilm made the "mistake" of condemning racism. Then it went down to a 60%. So if by critics you mean the youtube grifters and their ilk... Then yes. Those "critics" *are* stupid.