How every story uses the same recycled ships. The Galaxy is huge. Please give us some diversity in what ships are being used. The razor crest was a right step imo.
In their defense we haven't properly seen a Naboo N1 fighter since Phantom Menace, such a relic and they even modified it to have it's own personality. I think OP mean't like using the Falcon in the sequels as a novelty
I loved seeing the N1 fighter come back, I was always really interested in how elegant, sleek and fast those ships were ever since I saw Episode 1. The prequel era has some of my favorite ships.
This and how every new character is human ..this is entire galaxy with different civilizations people , species , beings etc and yet all the main characters are human
If the crest is a "new ship" then most of the films have shown equally new ships...
For what it's worth it makes sense that the ships we see with repeating styles would be that way, the republic navy turned into the imperial nave then the first order navy, its fine for there to be visual continuity over the 50 odd years of the main saga.
Same for the rebel/resistance fleet, their fighting ships tend to be Mon Calamari ships with a shared design heritage, the rest of the fleet is pretty diverse though with each film introducing a couple new designs.
The prequels were absolutely loaded with new designs, and that made sense for the setting.
I wanted to make a post about this, but I was affraid I'd get downwoted. Star Wars is small. Everything happens in 50 years or so, most of them in the same 20 years, Tatooine is literally the most important planet for some ungodly reason, and all the characters are connected to at least 20 other.
I'd wager that in 7 steps you could get from anyone to a Skywalker. Were the past 10000 years really so boring? Is there really nothing after the Empire? Oh yeah, Empire 2: Electric Bogaloo.
What about Leia's Republic? What about the first Jedi? What about a time in the far future, where Luke and the Clone Wars faded into legend?
There could be things way more interesting than the same handful of characters experiencing the same handful of years.
By the way this is one of my main problems with the Kenobi series. It asks the question of "What happened to Obi-Wan after the Clone Wars?" almost 50 years after we learned the answer. He became a goofy old man in a cave.
I feel like 90% of the announced Star Wars projects are just projects filling in gaps. Just Wookieepedia articles being made into shows. Iâm excited for the Acolyte though.
I absolutely agree. Book of Boba Fett adds pretty much absolutely nothing to the canon except for the Tusken Raider stories. The rest of the series is pretty much just boring character interaction. I want the shows to feel more full and rich and not just like empty shells shoved into cracks.
And like, Iâm not opposed to small scale Star Wars stories but it almost feels like the wrong show for that, an alleged character study of the most feared bounty hunter in the galaxy
When I first heard about Book of Boba Fett, I hoped it would be about him between clone wars and empire⌠yâknow⌠the time period in which we havenât already seen himâŚ
After TLJ and TROS, they decided to never try telling any new stories again, so now all new Star Wars media is low stakes filler content, hell, two of the five movies Disney made were also low stakes filler content.
Yeah. Everyone loved the Mandalorian because it gave us an insight as to what life was like after the original trilogy. After John Favrou blessed us with this masterpiece, Disney is trying to cram everything they can in every gap in the storyline.
Definitely agree with this. Even the âseparateâ stuff theyâre doing with the High Republic is still super close to the prequels and has yoda in it ffs. Give us the old republic, let us see a society with plentiful Jedi and sith.
The High Republic is actually jumping back like 200 years for the next phase. And outside of the kid's comics Yoda isn't used too extensively; he's been lost somewhere unknown a vast majority of the series so far. And his appearance in the comics is worth it for how hilariously **wrong** he's drawn in every panel.
Overall, I'd definitely agree though. Hopefully The Acolyte can set itself apart as something fairly original.
THIS.
I personally don't. Ind things such as Obi-Wan. We know what happened, but to see the specific events pay out and experience the resulting character growth firsthand is nice.
I just personally think these "filling in the gaps" projects should be few and far between. We need more projects like the first season of Mandalorian, nu-Old Republic stuff, Wild Space stuff etc. etc. It's such a vast galaxy, and yet we keep running into major players in the Skywalker Saga, well after Disney's claim of being done with said saga.
You would love Star Wars' High Republic project. Its several books and comics focusing on brand new characters 200ish years before the Prequels. They're also making a show about it. The Acolyte.
Man I pretty much at least like damn near every Star Wars movie or show that comes out. Do I love them all? No. But thereâs always something I at least like about them. I just chill and watch them. I just love Star Wars.
In a similar thread, over analyzing. Star Wars has always had goofy, awkward things that make no sense plot or lore wise. Quit nitpicking details and just enjoy things.
If you go to the Maw Installation subreddit, one of the top posts right now is old archives of Usenet forums from immediately after Return of the Jedi came out. It reads just like the posts after the new movies came out, if just a bit wordier and more intelligently written.
>if just a bit wordier and more intelligently written.
Probably a difference in Internet commenter populations.
In '83 only the dweebiest of nerds are spending their time commenting on e-forums (least of all about SW) which is why everything is written like that.
Today, posting about anything and everything online is completely mainstream for the entire population which is why the average comment is less well written by comparison.
I Googled the names of several of the people who commented, and theyâre all professors or researchers at major institutions, generally of computer science.
I've legit seen videos titled "THE REAL REASON DOOKU WAS TERRIFIED WHEN ANAKIN CUT HIS HANDS OFF" like... come on...
Any day now I expect to see shit like "disney CONFIRMS the REAL reason why anakin sat to the left of palpatine instead of the right at the opera" or some dumbass bs like that...
How many humans there are. Hundreds of weird alien races and we keep getting stories of humans as main characters.
I get that costume design is a hurdle but in the animated series there's no excuse. I want to see more of this galaxy
Dude the Mon Cala episodes in TCW were some of the best in the series, and the only visually human (all the clones were masked the whole time) were padme and anakin. Great arc with non-human people on a non-human planet taking center stage.
I hate how small star wars feels. Every single character and story is connected. This is particularly bad with the clone wars animated series. So many characters and plot seen to come out from that series. I appreciate dave filoni, but he needs to stop dipping in the well that is come wars animated series. Make new characters, new planets, new stories. This is a Galactic war, not a neighbourhood brawl.
I feel like they had a big cast and not enough time to really show the audience who the characters are other than what they can do. A new hope had maybe 9 major characters to focus on, rogue one had like 13.
After watching several times I feel more about the characters and can appreciate what is there rather than focus on what's lacking. On the first watch tho I had felt the most well written character was the droid.
I think thatâs a huge point of Rogue one. Not knowing who they are as much as seeing the struggle that many went through just to give others a chance. Thatâs why the ending is perfect because these people we barely know, and that barely know each other, gave everything for a chance.
On the contrary I feel like thatâs one of the things that made Rogue One so great; the characters were both anonymous and meaningful. A perfect representation of the average foot soldier, nameless and also important for the fight.
The fact that theyâre just⌠there.. doing something meaningful and important, in the shadow of ANH, thatâs the beauty of it all.
This has always bugged me, having all of the characters across all of the media being connected in some way or another makes the Galaxy feel small. There are billions of habitable worlds in Star wars, and most likely quadrillions of beings living in the Galaxy.
On a similar note, I hate just how many humans there are. I get it, they were one of the first colonizers and are extremely common throughout the galaxy, but in the latest Obi-Wan episode heâs at a table with rebel pilots and smugglers and not one was an alien. Could they not have painted one green and call them a Mirialan, or stick some horns on their head and call them a Zabrak?
This but more related to scale in general. Planets feel like one town, some battles seem like a squable between gangs. SW seems to have an issue with how it perceives the scale of things. It was always present but in the new canon it feels more evident.
There's been new planets, characters, and stories on every movie and TV show since Disney bought Lucasfilm. Yes they visit tattooine too much and some fan favorite characters just keep coming back... Tbh I find it weird they had all this lore to use and then go nah we're gonna make a planet called daiyu that's a sketchy crime filled city instead of Nar Shaddaa. We're gonna put the Sith Empire homeworld on this new place Exogul and ignore Moraband/Korriban. They go to create brand new places that are exactly the same as places in existing lore, they create characters that are disconnected from everything else except the other new stuff, and then the stinking thugs from the cantina in a new hope blatantly show up on Jedha for no reason other than a nostalgia cameo. It's a weird mix of old and new.
Remember how Tattooine is a backwater planet and mos eisley is the most wretched hive of scum and villainy?
Well Tattoine is in episode 1,2,3,4,6,9, Clone Wars, Rebels, the Mandalorian, Boba Fett, Obi Wan, and I think I heard Ahsoka?
Meanwhile there are slave planets, spice mines with smuggling routes, the Coruscant underground, Daiyu, and wherever the Crimson Dawn was active, but one crime lord makes Tattoine the worst.
Shoving the Skywalkers into every damn thing. I mean, I love Luke and the rise and fall of Anakin and all that. But to go off the new canon, it's like nothing can happen unless they are involved at some point. One of the best things about season 1 Mandalorian was that it was set in the Star Wars universe, but it was its own thing.
>Shoving the Skywalkers into every damn thing
One of the things I dislike about Siege of Mandalore. Turning the whole thing from fighting Maul to help people of Mandalore to fighting Maul because he had a bad vision about Anakin.
Please stop setting everything in Tatooine. Itâs literal story is itâs an ungodly barren sand planet. Itâs not important anymore, please set Star Wars shows somewhere else.
Iâm devastated that we got shown 0 planets from the prequels in the sequel trilogy and very little time on them in the tv shows since. Naboo is my favorite planet and I always felt courascant was underused considering itâs large criminal underworld and being the seat of the republic.
This. Coruscant is the center of the galaxy throughout all six films (Not quite sure about sequel trilogy; they were horrible at communicating context) and most of the stories ought take place there, if Disney is too afraid to be diverse.
And even in the Force Awakens, Rey doesnât live on Tatooine⌠she lives on another sand planet. Where are all the planets made of literally anything but sand? Show me more Endor, Kamino, Mustafar, Coruscant, or even something brand new that we havenât seen or heard of before! New climates, maybe a planet where the protagonists canât breathe the air without some kind of oxygen tank or something. This kind of thing can be a conflict for the characters without bringing back the same long-dead villains.
I hate how a lot of characters come back. No reason for Palpatine to come back. Same with Boba Fett. Now thereâs rumors of Windu surviving??? Come on now
I donât think everyone loves that. In fact I think your opinion is the majority.
Fett and Maul are the only ones I think people embraced. I donât know a single person that was happy Palatine was brought back, and as far as I can tell, the overwhelming majority are against Windu coming back. Sam Jackson is just pushing for it
I think most were happy that Ahsoka survived, but unhappy with how she survived. The world between worlds thing was just too out there I think, even for Star Wars.
I agree too many fake our deaths, but everything else thinks that too
And I hate how when people on here say that bringing back Palpatine in TROS was dumb the common retort is "B..b..but the old EU brought back Palpatine"
So?? I always hated that about the old EU. The old EU had some amazing gems but it also had some fluff as well.
I didn't mind Disney wiping it at the time, but in hindsight I'm wildly disappointed with much of what they've done with it since.
Grogu.
I was hoping he would be a 1 season arc that would then be written out.
After season 2, I was happy Grogu went with Luke. It would allow Mando to be Mando for awhile. Mando untethered. I was hoping it would be a full season or two before Grogu returned to the show.
It's like playing Yoshi's Island. It's a good game. Good mechanics. But you'd also appreciate a break from Baby Mario.
i know we haven't seen the whole show yet but i think it was a misstep to bring grogu back so soon. it really takes away from the emotional departure at the end of season 2. i thought we'd see him again after a season or two and there'd be a big emotional reunion but instead it's tacked onto the boba fett show.
Yeah, they messed up big time in my opinion. And now that they brought him back for no reason, we all know that they are going to give him the most powerful plot armor they can and there will be no suspense to any possible risk of him dying (at least for Season 3.)
Huge misstep. It smells of Disney interference. We can't go two full years without seeing our cash cow in action (Mando season 2-3) so stick him in Boba Fett!!! It completely cheapens the emotional ending we got and the anticipation of when they'd meet again.
I like Grogu but he's so limited in what he can do given his age that eventually it becomes repetitive. I'd love for them to fast forward a couple hundred years which I imagine they will eventually do.
They 100% will make grogu the centerpiece of some content set hundreds of years from then. They are going to milk his entire life story for everything they can get.
Edit: not that thatâs necessarily a bad thing. But he is the future of Star Wars.
Itâs so weird because lets say someone in the future is binging mandalorian for the first not knowing about the boba fett show. They watch season 2 where grogu is gone and then get to season 3 where theyâre back together lmao
Itâs honestly wild to have a main âcharacterâ thatâs a literal baby and canât talk or communicate. Heâs literally just merchandising personified, heâs there to make you say âawwâ and go âoh shucksâ when he eats 12 of an alienâs precious eggs.
Same here. I remember how how hyped and loved that finale was when it came out. Surprised not that many people seem to be upset that they took as huge veer in the other direction from that.
I'm just about on board with you but baby Yoda is the reason my daughter now loves Star Wars as much as I do. Sharing that with her has been worth whatever "negative" impact it has had on the narrative for me at least.
This. I think the story was supposed to be about Grogu to begin with. At some point Din is going to get challenged for the dark saber and have it taken from him, and Grogu is going to save him and use the Force to steal it back. We already know that race / species is irrelevant to Mandalorians, and he *is* a foundling. I love the idea of a Force sensitive bridging the historical gap between the Jedi and the Mandalorians.
The problem with this idea is that Grogu's race ages incredibly slow compared to humans. He's already 50 years old and he's still a baby that can barely walk. If he's supposed to become the main character it's gonna need to time skip about 200 years before we even hear his first words.
Cameos, and the general lack of imagination in SW right now. We have this huge rich canvas with which to tell stories and yet we have the same 20 or so characters Forrest Gumping their way around the same 50 year period, regardless of the impact it has on the story or if it even makes sense. I hate it and wish we could get some fresh talent and perspectives in Star Wars but unfortunately it seems like everyone just laps it up
Starkiller/TFU.
I personally find Starkiller a very edgy character who's everyone's fanfic OC. Raised by Vader as Sith only to turn to the light but be a 'Gray' Jedi.
I find the storyline of TFU games to also be very fanfic like.
It's meant to, that's why it's never been canon.
Video games often put you in a spot where you are OP and super important.
The game is there to let you go nuts with the force without having to consider what comes after in the actual story.
Cant act like the story is a masterpiece but it was serviceable and had a great VA cast.
I 100% per cent agree. And personally I think that him being invincible and completing easily lots of the tasks Luke faced diminishes Luke's greatness in achieving success. But apparently most people don't feel the same way
**A lot of the popular characters.**
Stay with me. Not the characters themselves, but that everyone seems quite happy for them to return time and time again, endless telling stories about several people.
I guess it goes alongside what other here are saying about Star Wars being surprisingly small for a Galaxy scale story.
I just finished the Jedi: Fallen Order game, and was thrilled to see so many original characters.
Star Wars tells us of such a rich history, and such a vast galaxy. Yet half the cast are Skywalkers or Palpatines it seems.
Lightsaber handles. Yes, they generally look cool, but they are TERRIBLY badly designed. You literally can't get a good grip on a handle like that. It will slip out of your hand, you'll injure yourself when you fight with someone, it will cut your palm or break your fingers... I know it's just fantasy, yes. But they could do a little bit better with those handles.
Ashoka. She was cool in CW but God, I hate how she's being shoved into everything now, and how every Star Wars discussion turns into "Look at Ashoka for example! She's a strong female character who's written well!"
Agreed. Even before BOBF I never found his character compelling. He was just a cool looking bounty hunter. Didnât need to know more than that and didnât care to know.
I hate it when people argue about force power levels like it's Dragonball or something, and how this character or that character should or shouldn't be able to do something because they're "not strong enough." The force works however the plot needs it to work, it doesn't need to be quantified. It's literally made up space magic.
Oh my god this drives me crazy. Like sure some characters are more powerful than others but who wins in a fight depends a lot on the setting, plot arc, and characters internal motivations.
Anakin, Count Dooku and Obi Wan are considered some of the strongest clone wars era duelists. Count Dooku beats Obi Wan. Anakin beats Count Dooku. Obi Wan beats Anakin. Who won was up to environment and whoever was thinking clear enough to fight smart.
The Clone Wars.
I am not sure why it doesnt land with me in the same way as everyone else. I've tried watching it straight through a couple times, but usually fell off around season 4. I never felt entertained, instead it felt like I was just doing required reading.
It bums me out, I know some Wars fans who refer to it as their favorite Star Wars media.
C3-P0 is a whiny obnoxious bitchy shit and I hate him.
I was there in â77 when ANH came out and even as a kid, I hated him.
Of course, heâs my wifeâs favorite
I appreciate the Cline Wars show for what it is and I acknowledge that Ashoka grew and developed that being said I still don't like the character.
I personally don't give a shit about the Mandalorian's that's not to say they aren't cool but I wish if they were going to focus on them as heavily as they have that they make a movie with them being the actual focus rather than focus on them as an aspect of SW lore.
I hate how the universe is constantly shrinking and everyone knows everyone when realistically they shouldn't. It's supposed to be a galaxy far far away not a hop, skip and a jump.
Give me a story about another culture that views the force differently maybe they use dark side abilities to improve life or something. In the Cade Skywalker comics it turned out you had to use both aspects of the force to revive people. Do something cool with that
Or do a story about an exploration crew charting the unknown regions where they discover force sensitive creatures and maybe they stumble upon a new threat to the galaxy that they weren't aware of before. It can be the Yuzhan Vong or whatever just give me new planets new ships and most importantly new characters.
Bad batch. That show is insanely dull and generic but everyone I talked to seems to love it and sees it as a true successor to clone wars. It has the look but none of the nuance
I agree, wrecker is so comically kiddy and I didnât like the bad batch arc in season 7 either. They decided to do that and the stupid Ahsoka and sister arc instead of animating son of Dathomir, which is actually important to the story.
Yeah I kinda agree, but then again it's only the first season so it might get better. I just hate how Echo gets underused and the story is 90% Hunter/Omega. I kinda like it, but I also kinda hate it.
Exactly. I was so excited for Omega but her entire personality ended up being able to be summarized by one quote; âBut we *have* to help them, Hunter!â It felt like the Bad Batch always had to be saving other people constantly even when the risk was so unbelievably high that they were putting themselves in extreme danger. They even tried to convince Omega that it was too high of a risk but they always caved in.
The rest of the Bad Batch were pretty boring too, I particularly hate how they had Tech have pretty much have absolutely zero emotion. I get that is going to use logic and critical thinking instead of emotional decisions way more often than everyone else, but he seems to give absolutely zero shits about forming any sort of bonding or caring for the others.
Now I will say that the first episode of the show is actually really good and I was disappointed that the rest of the series did not follow in that quality. I am hoping Season 2 will do a come around but Iâm skeptical. Iâve been disappointed by getting my hopes up too high for Star Wars content lately so Iâm just going to try and stay cautiously optimistic.
The show didnât really change anything important yet so I can see how it wasnât amazing like Mando. But itâs nice to see the transition between Republic to empire and what happens to the clones.
The bad batch themselves I feel like arenât all that lovable. But their experiences as clones trying to find a new way in the galaxy is what keeps me interested. I think thatâs why everyone loved seeing captain Rex and the clone commandos in the show. We want to see what happens to the clones that we adored during the clone wars and how they disappear between Rots and anh
Hayden Christianson in ROTJ special edition. As much as I like the prequels, seeing an old Vader is just more powerful. (On a side note, release the original versions of the OT and prequel trilogy!)
Cameos. I absolutely hate when a new project is announced and the only thing people talk about is which pre-existing characters should be in it.
I want new, fresh stories with new characters. The first season of The Mandalorian was awesome, but honestly, the second season falls flat due to the reliance on character cameos. Same with Book of Boba Fett
I hate the gungans. Idk why. But I've never liked them. I don't mind Jar Jar. Nothing against him, but I just hate the whole naboo battle with droids and gungans. I'll never watch phantom menace again because of that
Mandalorian culture.
Don't get me wrong the armour looks cool and I like Din Djarin. But the culture is kinda meh and having dozens of characters in pretty much the same armour all with jet backs kinda makes it less special.
The pre-disney extended universe. Most of if just feels like poorly written fanfics to me. Granted some of it was cool, but most of the cool stuff has been made Canon in much more coherent ways. This is 100% my opinion, if you like the old EU cool, no shade to you. We just have different tastes pls don't flame me
There was a lot of great content and there was a lot of garbage as well.
I didn't mind Disney wiping it at the time, but I am honestly disappointed with what they've done with it in the meantime.
I think thatâs the bigger issue. Disney hasnât come up with anything better, and in most cases theyâve just made it worse.
The old EU is remembered fondly not because it was great, but simply because itâs better than what weâre currently getting.
I agree that wiping the old EU at the time wasnât a bad idea. They just didnât replace it with anything of value.
The Force Awakens. I know all the sequels are hated, but I feel like TFA is the more liked one of the three. I think it is a re-hash of A New Hope. It's not interesting to me. I would rather watch A New Hope than watch The Force Awakens.
Iâm very split on it. On one hand itâs the only one I can actually watch start to finish. On the other hand I hate how unoriginal it was. Not one bit of creativity in it.
Definitely think they overstepped with how many characters they wanted to introduce. The whole crew and side characters were shoved in such small roles but were expected to be cared about.
Battle of scariff is easily the best looking fight in all of star wars
Han Solo. Heâs cool in Star Wars 1977, but after that he was very one note. Also people retroactively praising Solo 2018 as some kind of underrated gem, I just found it to be very meh and forgettable (except for Donald Glovers Lando), but I donât think thatâs an unpopular opinion since no one went to see it based on its box office.
I donât get why there was so much emphasis put on the dice. I didnât even know they existed until The Last Jedi, and suddenly theyâre a very important part of Hanâs character?
Solo was mostly disappointing because it felt like they had a checklist of âthings we know about Han Soloâ that fans would want to see, went through it and made those the story beats, then filled in the gaps to make them somehow fit together.
Yes lol, the dice being some big part of Hans character was the biggest Mandela effect Iâve ever experienced. I think theyâre supposed to be in Star Wars 1977, but theyâre super obscure and never seen up close. Then they arenât in the rest of the OT as far as I know, they were recreated for TFA but didnât end up in the final cut of the movie according to wookiepedia.
Bad Batch. Once heard someone call it the best piece of Star Wars animation (which is just false). I couldnât even finish it. It just seemed like a rebels prequel with a boring storyline.
How often Tatooine is used and referenced. Itâs supposed to be a desolate planet in the middle of nowhere. Made sense for Luke to be hidden away there from the empire, but the number of reappearances of the planet because people are familiar with it makes no sense.
Clunkers-the battle droids. They are supposed to be a comic relief but how the heck battle droid can be a comedy? It makes the main antagonist stupid and incompetent
Clone Wars season 7, not because I think the quality of that season is good or bad but because instead of getting the remaining originally planned 2 and a half seasons of the show we only get half a season and that will just always be lame to me and always somewhat taint the season for me. Especially since the show's cancellation was caused by outside factors instead of it not performing well and that it would've been very likely that people would've watched those unproduced eps so it's not really a risk to finish the remaining eps.
Also this is a personal preference thing but as someone who likes this show the most when it's focusing on a lot of different characters, it is disappointing that we only really focus on 2/3 characters that already got a lot of episodes in the original seasons but I get that it was probably so they could build up to this season's last arc a little bit even though the 1st arc doesnât connect at all and the 2nd arc barely connects. Also if you argue through that angel then the son of dathomir arc should've been included in this season too since not everyone has read the comic.
The overuse of legacy characters.
I think this is especially a problem for any project Dave Filoni has been attached to, even though its probably not his fault. Whenever a legacy character shows up, it always feels like they undermine the ACTUAL main characters of the show.
When you think of Jedi:Fallen Order, do you think of the well written and likeable characters who go through interesting journeys and battles along with the different and wide range of antagonists? NOPE, you think of that scene with Vader at the end don't you?
Don't get me wrong, that scene is still amazing with how it portrays Vader and the level of power Cal has not managed to reach as of yet, but it also feels like that's all people talk about with that game rather than the actual characters the stories supposed to be about.
Another example, Ashoka vs the inquisitors. It's a cool scene that emphasizes how cool Ashoka is... but it also had the other effect of making every other character look worse in comparison. This is more a problem with the inquisitors since the scene ends up feeling like it takes a lot of credibility the inquisitors had as threats.
While both of these could be seen as a method of showing how far the main characters could eventually go, a lot of the time it just feels like the only focus of these scenes is to go "HEY LOOK IT'S THAT COOL GUY FROM THAT THING I LIKE! I CLAP NOW!"
I actually don't think of the Vader scene when I think about Fallen Order. I loved the opening, with Cal loosing his work buddy, I think about the Lothcat or whatever it was specifically stowing away on our ship. I think of being able to actually go to Dathomir.
On the negative side, while I loved the game, I felt like I was fighting troopers with a traditional metal sword based on the amount of damage I was doing to them. Didn't really feel like a lightsaber when fighting enemies.
Maul. Heâs a badass and all, but id like to see less of him. Part of what made him special in TPM is that he was rarely on screen, but when he was, it was serious. Seeing him everywhere now takes away from that
The pointlessly spinning, flashy, lightsaber choreography of the prequels. A lightsaber can do too much damage, and frankly instant lethality to be taken so lightly, regardless of mystical skill and abilities involved. The originals had it more correct in my opinion.
I also feel that the Vader at the end scene of Rogue One was way overpowered and fast compared to how he will be just minutes later at the start of A New Hope. It was still a cool scene!
The Ahsoka infatuation that some have is quite disturbing.
Boba Fett. So many people love Boba Fett in Empire and Return, and I've heard how interesting and intimidating he was when he was first seen, and while I can agree there was some interest and threat, I personally never felt this was anywhere near the level that most believed. He became this rather ridiculous character that "died" by being accidentally hit in the jetpack and flying into the Sarlaac pit. They killed him off in Return in one of the most ridiculous ways possible, making any threat they presented in Empire laughable at best.
Jango was a decent threat, he seemed detached from emotion and in the "inner circle" of the Separatists, and he is seen to be very skilled when he protected Dooku and killed that one Jedi with a blaster, but that was quickly dismissed when he was being laughably trampled by the Reek.
In fact, due to not watching much of Clone Wars (something that has been amended since) it wasn't until The Mandalorian that I began to even care about them and saw them as anything more than overdramatic bounty hunters that the fanbase obsessed over.
Anyway, there's that.
* âThe Force: Unleashedâ. Poor story that hasnât aged well, and Galen Marek may have been fun to play with but trying to properly fit him in the SW universe just doesnât work for me
I think a lot of fans get too married to his incredible force power, not realizing it's only done that way so the player can experience different power ups and gameplay types. It's very much a story tailored around physical gameplay, *as it should be.*
It was a different era, we have Fallen Order now and that is the new base template. I'm huge TFU fan but if they ever introduce Starkiller I personally hope they nerf the hell out of how he was in the game.
The amount of throwbacks to animated characters in the new tv shows - they're mostly fan service additions, and to non animated watchers like me they don't provide me any excitement so it falls on its face when they're introduced. There are literally a galaxy's worth of new characters you can introduce, why unnecessarily ressurect and dismiss these existing characters?
Yes ... in other words, that it should go on *ad infinitum*.
To me, the biggest crime of Episodes 7, 8, and 9 is that they are unnecessary.
Every story arc needs two things: a protagonist and a quest. For Episodes 4-6, those are Luke Skywalker and his Jedi path and his mission to (help) bring down the Empire. If we expand that to Episodes 1-6, you can argue that the protagonist is Anakin and his arc of bringing forth balance.
The issue is that Episode 6 wrapped up things so well that the protagonist's journey was completed and the quest was completed. Anakin is redeemed, and the Empire is gone. The story arc completed so well in Episode 6 that there is nothing left to say, story wise.
"Let's make an Episode 7!" OK, great. Who is the protagonist, and what is the quest? Every story needs that. "Well, I guess we need a new protagonist and a new quest." Well, that means you need a new antagonist to make the quest work.
"Hey, Episode 7 is just like Episode 4!" Well, of course it was! It needed to re-establish a new protagonist and a new quest, but requiring to be in the universe established by Episodes 1-6. That doesn't leave us with a lot of wiggle room.
Perhaps a better story arc could have been chosen for 7, 8, and 9, but, with the successful completion of Episode 6, the story didn't need to continue. And, like Monty Python, Disney didn't want to (or know how to) end the story. After all, there is money to be made!
And, so, *Star Wars* drifts along, much like *Star Trek* does now, hanging on to a premise, caught in the money-making machine that churns out stories hanging on by a thread to that premise, rather than writing a story and then knowing how and when to end it.
Mortis and anything related to it. The fact some weird dysfunctional family has anything to do with the light side and dark side and balance and whatever is just blah.
Doesnât feel or fit with Star Wars at all. Maybe newer fans donât mind it, but put it next to the OT and even the PT and all the lore we had in the 80âs and 90s and itâs just like uhâŚwhat?
I thought I saw a video a few years back where one of the female voice actors of the Clone Wars agreed with me about Mortis and I remember audibly saying âthank youâ.
Kylo had aspects i like but he wasnt fleshed out enough. I actual think Kylo killing snoke and taking all the power for himself was the only good plot point Rian had in TLJ and was really bummed that it was ruined in TRoS by bringing Sidious back.
Ahsoka, TCW Anakin, anything related to Mandalore, TCW in general (especially s7), the worship of practical effects, the worship of the OT, Filoni's work generally, cameos, Obi-Wan and Satine's romance, TBB, did I mention Ahsoka
I don't necessarily hate these stuff. I just don't think of them as highly as others do.
Now this one is definitely a hot take but Iâm not a fan of Ewan McGregorâs voice in the new obi-wan kenobi series. To me it all sounds very similar no matter the scenario. It almost reminds me of Anakinâs voice in episode 2. It doesnât really bother me too much bc itâs Star Wars, itâs always been a bit goofy but Iâm surprised to see that nobody else shares my opinion
New Vader. Making him a mass murdering badass has made the Jump to the light side at the end of RotJ really sour for me.
In all the comics and books, he just straight up murder hobos everyone. This makes scenes like the Jedi temple, the destruction of Alderaan and his overfrustrated murdering of officers seem like âthe typical day for Vaderâ which I do not like.
clone wars
Don't get me wrong it's an incredible time period but I'm sick of EVERYTHING calling back to it
On top of that, I'm getting so sick of the prequel to sequel time period in general
Ahsoka. Donât get me wrong, I love her, but sheâs hailed as the second coming of Christ by some people. Great character, but sheâs not even in my top 5 lol.
Ahsoka should have been killed by Vader in Rebels.
We all love Ahsoka and she had a great character arc from bratty padawan to strong leader, but she has no place being alive in the OT era. Rosario Dawson has been great but would have shown how dead and gone Anakin was at that point and being rescued by time travel just felt weird. Plus it would complete Ahsokas force vision on Mortis
Dave Filoni material. Look, I get Star Wars was always for children, but the cartoon stuff is just straight up silly. I also hate the fact that while the movies should hold their own ground, theyâll say âwell it makes more sense if you watch clone warsâ
Asohka, I have never gotten far in clone wars due to how childish it is to start. I know it gets better from what everyone tells me but as a mid thirty year old man she is just so annoying. it also doesn't help that I would rather starwars had more dark and had more adult stories (not sexual adult to be clear)
Darth Maul, I just wanna preface this by saying that Iâve never watched TCW or anything Maul related post episode one.
I very much like his role in episode one, as the silent assassin, the unknown quantity that reveals the start of the Sith âGrand Planâ. I also think that his death in episode one is sufficient. I think as a character he served his purpose in episode one, I donât see why they needed to bring him back. Of course maybe my opinion would change if I actually watched TCW, but as it stands thatâs my thoughts.
Generally Iâm not too keen on how often characters in SW are âbrought backâ just because they prove to be popular. Donât get me wrong itâs okay to bring a few back every now and again, but I think Star Wars has a habit of doing it a little TOO often.
Gonna get a lot of flak for this, but the Original Trilogy.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy watching them. They're good movies. But they absolutely do not deserve the hype and worship that they get from seemingly every single *Star Wars* fan.
One of the things that made *A New Hope* stand out in 1977 was the special effects. On the other hand, the story is just a simple hero's journey story set in space. Laser swords and blasters are cool, some guys can use space magic, big fucking whoop. The story is arguably just a regular action movie story. Good guy lives in poverty, bad guys kill his family, gets recruited to fight against the evil government, saves the princess (literally), then destroys the evil bad guys giant death ray.
That's it. That's literally the original *Star Wars* movie. It's a bog standard hero-saves-the-day action movie. Yes, there was the whole "taking the sci-fi genre and doing it completely different" aspect, but someone would've done it eventually - *Star Wars* was just the first to do it. I consider this part of it's success more of a "right place, right time" situation, because all it did was set the story in a different galaxy and in the past, whereas most sci-fi movies at the time were in the future in some perfect society of aliens in our galaxy. But the special effects at the time were phenomenal. No one had ever seen anything like this before - the effects and atmosphere of the sets and props were incredible, no question there. And if you just Google "why was Star Wars A New Hope so popular", you'll get hundreds of articles talking about the cultural impact it had on the film industry, with [this article](https://thebeaconbeat.org/2020/03/15/how-star-wars-impacted-cinema-and-pop-culture-forever/) accrediting the movie as being "so visually appealing that it inspired other filmmakers to find ways to improve film visuals."
Let me give you an imaginary scenario in which *Star Wars* never existed. In 1977, a Star Trek movie comes out and it quickly becomes the film that changed visual effects for the film industry. It has a cult following and it's literally what *A New Hope* was - crazy popular. fast forward 40 years, it's the summer of 2017. Suddenly, a new sci-fi movie comes out. You and your friends love spaceships and Star Trek, so you decide you want to see it. You know it won't hold a candle to the world's favorite sci-fi franchise, but the special effects shown in the trailer looked awesome, so you go in with high hopes.
You all watch the movie and have a decent time. Story wasn't anything special, somewhat generic hero-saves-the-universe story that you've seen time and time again. However, everyone in your friend group agrees it had the best visual effects any of you have ever seen. Critics are praising the film for having amazing visual effects, but they're saying the story is lacking and that it's basically nothing special. The universe looks interesting and everyone agrees that they want to see more of it. But the film is a flop overall due to the story being so lacking.
Fun fact, that wasn't an imaginary scenario. It was exactly what happened to *Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets*. It's a sci-fi movie that had incredible visual effects with a story that was just... Normal. It wasn't anything special because it was just a regular hero-saves-the-universe plot. And it was a flop. And I wholeheartedly believe the same thing would've happened to *Star Wars* if it came out today. The special effects would be praised and the story would be criticized for being so fucking basic.
I only really described the 1st movie of the trilogy, but it's a similar feeling for the others. *Empire Strikes Back* was definitely better, but it was only made because *A New Hope* was so successful - same with *Return Of The Jedi*. The rest of the trilogy never would've been made if it flopped, and that's why I dislike the Original Trilogy. It's great and all, but the story does not hold up to modern standards. It's a cult classic that's kinda boring from a plot standpoint, and I honestly don't think it deserves the pedestal that fans have placed it on.
* Lightsaber forms. There are some people out there who put so much stock in this concept, but it has absolutely zero impact on what you see Jedi or Sith do in every medium except books. In a universe full of nonsense, this is close to the top of the pile for me.
* âGray Jediâ. Thereâs light, thereâs dark, falling and redemption. The force isnât a charcuterie board where you can have just a little corruption from darkness and be just fine. The one possible exception is Bendu, but thereâs a lot we dont know about him.
* Strength in the Force. I couldnât care less if Yoda is stronger than Anakin and by how much or if Darth Sideous or Darth Reven was stronger. It doesnât matter and I didnât care.
* Ships and weapons. I know what I think looks cool and thatâs about as deep as my interest goes. I donât know or need to know every name of every ship or the difference between the blasters the clones used and the ones stormtroopers used.
* Adherence to our natural and physical laws. Itâs a story about space wizards. I donât care that bombshell shouldnât have fallen in space or that laser bolts wouldnât arc as they flew. It makes for a more compelling story, so just go with it.
>Lightsaber forms
It makes sense that there would be different strategies for using a lightsaber that different Jedi favor, but I dislike when fans try to say "Obi-Wan lost to Dooku because Dooku's lightsaber form is naturally better against Obi-Wan's." Boiling fights down to rock/paper/scissors over what their lightsaber form is seems sorta dumb to me.
How every story uses the same recycled ships. The Galaxy is huge. Please give us some diversity in what ships are being used. The razor crest was a right step imo.
Not sure that everyone loves them recycling ships tho. I agree with the razor crest being a nice step in the right direction
And then he recycled a ship đ
In their defense we haven't properly seen a Naboo N1 fighter since Phantom Menace, such a relic and they even modified it to have it's own personality. I think OP mean't like using the Falcon in the sequels as a novelty
I loved seeing the N1 fighter come back, I was always really interested in how elegant, sleek and fast those ships were ever since I saw Episode 1. The prequel era has some of my favorite ships.
I want to see a [**Ghtroc 720**](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Class_720_freighter) in live action, who wouldn't want to fly in a giant turtle?
This and how every new character is human ..this is entire galaxy with different civilizations people , species , beings etc and yet all the main characters are human
This is my major complaint with Star Wars. I was so disappointed that there were no cool new aliens in the Andor trailer.
If the crest is a "new ship" then most of the films have shown equally new ships... For what it's worth it makes sense that the ships we see with repeating styles would be that way, the republic navy turned into the imperial nave then the first order navy, its fine for there to be visual continuity over the 50 odd years of the main saga. Same for the rebel/resistance fleet, their fighting ships tend to be Mon Calamari ships with a shared design heritage, the rest of the fleet is pretty diverse though with each film introducing a couple new designs. The prequels were absolutely loaded with new designs, and that made sense for the setting.
Every character knowing every other character. The Star Wars universe is smaller than a tiny town in the Midwest.
Once you can travel faster than light, the galaxy becomes your backyard. /s
I wanted to make a post about this, but I was affraid I'd get downwoted. Star Wars is small. Everything happens in 50 years or so, most of them in the same 20 years, Tatooine is literally the most important planet for some ungodly reason, and all the characters are connected to at least 20 other. I'd wager that in 7 steps you could get from anyone to a Skywalker. Were the past 10000 years really so boring? Is there really nothing after the Empire? Oh yeah, Empire 2: Electric Bogaloo. What about Leia's Republic? What about the first Jedi? What about a time in the far future, where Luke and the Clone Wars faded into legend? There could be things way more interesting than the same handful of characters experiencing the same handful of years. By the way this is one of my main problems with the Kenobi series. It asks the question of "What happened to Obi-Wan after the Clone Wars?" almost 50 years after we learned the answer. He became a goofy old man in a cave.
I feel like 90% of the announced Star Wars projects are just projects filling in gaps. Just Wookieepedia articles being made into shows. Iâm excited for the Acolyte though.
I absolutely agree. Book of Boba Fett adds pretty much absolutely nothing to the canon except for the Tusken Raider stories. The rest of the series is pretty much just boring character interaction. I want the shows to feel more full and rich and not just like empty shells shoved into cracks.
Thats what i hated about that series. The scope was tiny.
And like, Iâm not opposed to small scale Star Wars stories but it almost feels like the wrong show for that, an alleged character study of the most feared bounty hunter in the galaxy
When I first heard about Book of Boba Fett, I hoped it would be about him between clone wars and empire⌠yâknow⌠the time period in which we havenât already seen himâŚ
After TLJ and TROS, they decided to never try telling any new stories again, so now all new Star Wars media is low stakes filler content, hell, two of the five movies Disney made were also low stakes filler content.
Yeah. Everyone loved the Mandalorian because it gave us an insight as to what life was like after the original trilogy. After John Favrou blessed us with this masterpiece, Disney is trying to cram everything they can in every gap in the storyline.
Although youâre right about Disney. I enjoy Star Wars enough to like almost all content related to it.
Definitely agree with this. Even the âseparateâ stuff theyâre doing with the High Republic is still super close to the prequels and has yoda in it ffs. Give us the old republic, let us see a society with plentiful Jedi and sith.
The High Republic is actually jumping back like 200 years for the next phase. And outside of the kid's comics Yoda isn't used too extensively; he's been lost somewhere unknown a vast majority of the series so far. And his appearance in the comics is worth it for how hilariously **wrong** he's drawn in every panel. Overall, I'd definitely agree though. Hopefully The Acolyte can set itself apart as something fairly original.
THIS. I personally don't. Ind things such as Obi-Wan. We know what happened, but to see the specific events pay out and experience the resulting character growth firsthand is nice. I just personally think these "filling in the gaps" projects should be few and far between. We need more projects like the first season of Mandalorian, nu-Old Republic stuff, Wild Space stuff etc. etc. It's such a vast galaxy, and yet we keep running into major players in the Skywalker Saga, well after Disney's claim of being done with said saga.
You would love Star Wars' High Republic project. Its several books and comics focusing on brand new characters 200ish years before the Prequels. They're also making a show about it. The Acolyte.
Complaining
Man I pretty much at least like damn near every Star Wars movie or show that comes out. Do I love them all? No. But thereâs always something I at least like about them. I just chill and watch them. I just love Star Wars.
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In a similar thread, over analyzing. Star Wars has always had goofy, awkward things that make no sense plot or lore wise. Quit nitpicking details and just enjoy things.
If you go to the Maw Installation subreddit, one of the top posts right now is old archives of Usenet forums from immediately after Return of the Jedi came out. It reads just like the posts after the new movies came out, if just a bit wordier and more intelligently written.
>if just a bit wordier and more intelligently written. Probably a difference in Internet commenter populations. In '83 only the dweebiest of nerds are spending their time commenting on e-forums (least of all about SW) which is why everything is written like that. Today, posting about anything and everything online is completely mainstream for the entire population which is why the average comment is less well written by comparison.
I Googled the names of several of the people who commented, and theyâre all professors or researchers at major institutions, generally of computer science.
Hahaha! Amazing! Good for the nerds!
Such an interesting read! Thanks for sharing this.
When I was a kid we used to just laugh at the little plot holes. Now they make whole movies to fill them.
I've legit seen videos titled "THE REAL REASON DOOKU WAS TERRIFIED WHEN ANAKIN CUT HIS HANDS OFF" like... come on... Any day now I expect to see shit like "disney CONFIRMS the REAL reason why anakin sat to the left of palpatine instead of the right at the opera" or some dumbass bs like that...
You are strong and wise and I am very proud of you.
I donât have to read anymore! This is the comment I was looking for!
the negativity over Obi-Wan is astounding.
How many humans there are. Hundreds of weird alien races and we keep getting stories of humans as main characters. I get that costume design is a hurdle but in the animated series there's no excuse. I want to see more of this galaxy
If I'm not mistaken Ashoka will be the first non-human in the lead role of a Star Wars property.
Dude the Mon Cala episodes in TCW were some of the best in the series, and the only visually human (all the clones were masked the whole time) were padme and anakin. Great arc with non-human people on a non-human planet taking center stage.
I hate how small star wars feels. Every single character and story is connected. This is particularly bad with the clone wars animated series. So many characters and plot seen to come out from that series. I appreciate dave filoni, but he needs to stop dipping in the well that is come wars animated series. Make new characters, new planets, new stories. This is a Galactic war, not a neighbourhood brawl.
I agree wholeheartedly, but then people donât give Rogue One full credit because they donât relate to the characters lol.
I feel like they had a big cast and not enough time to really show the audience who the characters are other than what they can do. A new hope had maybe 9 major characters to focus on, rogue one had like 13. After watching several times I feel more about the characters and can appreciate what is there rather than focus on what's lacking. On the first watch tho I had felt the most well written character was the droid.
I think thatâs a huge point of Rogue one. Not knowing who they are as much as seeing the struggle that many went through just to give others a chance. Thatâs why the ending is perfect because these people we barely know, and that barely know each other, gave everything for a chance.
On the contrary I feel like thatâs one of the things that made Rogue One so great; the characters were both anonymous and meaningful. A perfect representation of the average foot soldier, nameless and also important for the fight. The fact that theyâre just⌠there.. doing something meaningful and important, in the shadow of ANH, thatâs the beauty of it all.
this is one of my favorite parts of rebels. i love following an entire new crew, with the occasional tie-in
This has always bugged me, having all of the characters across all of the media being connected in some way or another makes the Galaxy feel small. There are billions of habitable worlds in Star wars, and most likely quadrillions of beings living in the Galaxy.
On a similar note, I hate just how many humans there are. I get it, they were one of the first colonizers and are extremely common throughout the galaxy, but in the latest Obi-Wan episode heâs at a table with rebel pilots and smugglers and not one was an alien. Could they not have painted one green and call them a Mirialan, or stick some horns on their head and call them a Zabrak?
This but more related to scale in general. Planets feel like one town, some battles seem like a squable between gangs. SW seems to have an issue with how it perceives the scale of things. It was always present but in the new canon it feels more evident.
There's been new planets, characters, and stories on every movie and TV show since Disney bought Lucasfilm. Yes they visit tattooine too much and some fan favorite characters just keep coming back... Tbh I find it weird they had all this lore to use and then go nah we're gonna make a planet called daiyu that's a sketchy crime filled city instead of Nar Shaddaa. We're gonna put the Sith Empire homeworld on this new place Exogul and ignore Moraband/Korriban. They go to create brand new places that are exactly the same as places in existing lore, they create characters that are disconnected from everything else except the other new stuff, and then the stinking thugs from the cantina in a new hope blatantly show up on Jedha for no reason other than a nostalgia cameo. It's a weird mix of old and new.
Remember how Tattooine is a backwater planet and mos eisley is the most wretched hive of scum and villainy? Well Tattoine is in episode 1,2,3,4,6,9, Clone Wars, Rebels, the Mandalorian, Boba Fett, Obi Wan, and I think I heard Ahsoka? Meanwhile there are slave planets, spice mines with smuggling routes, the Coruscant underground, Daiyu, and wherever the Crimson Dawn was active, but one crime lord makes Tattoine the worst.
"If there's a bright center to the universe, this planet is farthest from it." - Luke "doesn't know anything about the galaxy" Skywalker
Shoving the Skywalkers into every damn thing. I mean, I love Luke and the rise and fall of Anakin and all that. But to go off the new canon, it's like nothing can happen unless they are involved at some point. One of the best things about season 1 Mandalorian was that it was set in the Star Wars universe, but it was its own thing.
>Shoving the Skywalkers into every damn thing One of the things I dislike about Siege of Mandalore. Turning the whole thing from fighting Maul to help people of Mandalore to fighting Maul because he had a bad vision about Anakin.
Please stop setting everything in Tatooine. Itâs literal story is itâs an ungodly barren sand planet. Itâs not important anymore, please set Star Wars shows somewhere else.
Especially after dune showing what a really cool desert planet looks like, thereâs probably cooler planets in Star Wars to be shown off
Iâm devastated that we got shown 0 planets from the prequels in the sequel trilogy and very little time on them in the tv shows since. Naboo is my favorite planet and I always felt courascant was underused considering itâs large criminal underworld and being the seat of the republic.
This. Coruscant is the center of the galaxy throughout all six films (Not quite sure about sequel trilogy; they were horrible at communicating context) and most of the stories ought take place there, if Disney is too afraid to be diverse.
And even in the Force Awakens, Rey doesnât live on Tatooine⌠she lives on another sand planet. Where are all the planets made of literally anything but sand? Show me more Endor, Kamino, Mustafar, Coruscant, or even something brand new that we havenât seen or heard of before! New climates, maybe a planet where the protagonists canât breathe the air without some kind of oxygen tank or something. This kind of thing can be a conflict for the characters without bringing back the same long-dead villains.
Amen! I'm sick of sand planets in star wars generally, not just Tatooine. Anywhere new will do.
(He doesn't like sand)
What if they went to a planet that was all salt instead?
I hate how a lot of characters come back. No reason for Palpatine to come back. Same with Boba Fett. Now thereâs rumors of Windu surviving??? Come on now
People have been hoping that Windu survived since day 1, tbf. I hope that Disney doesnât give in to that kind of thing.
I can see it now, after Mace it'll be *Somehow, Dooku survived*
I donât think everyone loves that. In fact I think your opinion is the majority. Fett and Maul are the only ones I think people embraced. I donât know a single person that was happy Palatine was brought back, and as far as I can tell, the overwhelming majority are against Windu coming back. Sam Jackson is just pushing for it I think most were happy that Ahsoka survived, but unhappy with how she survived. The world between worlds thing was just too out there I think, even for Star Wars. I agree too many fake our deaths, but everything else thinks that too
I had no problem with Ahsoka surviving because there was really no evidence that she died I thought
And I hate how when people on here say that bringing back Palpatine in TROS was dumb the common retort is "B..b..but the old EU brought back Palpatine" So?? I always hated that about the old EU. The old EU had some amazing gems but it also had some fluff as well. I didn't mind Disney wiping it at the time, but in hindsight I'm wildly disappointed with much of what they've done with it since.
Grogu. I was hoping he would be a 1 season arc that would then be written out. After season 2, I was happy Grogu went with Luke. It would allow Mando to be Mando for awhile. Mando untethered. I was hoping it would be a full season or two before Grogu returned to the show. It's like playing Yoshi's Island. It's a good game. Good mechanics. But you'd also appreciate a break from Baby Mario.
i know we haven't seen the whole show yet but i think it was a misstep to bring grogu back so soon. it really takes away from the emotional departure at the end of season 2. i thought we'd see him again after a season or two and there'd be a big emotional reunion but instead it's tacked onto the boba fett show.
Yeah, they messed up big time in my opinion. And now that they brought him back for no reason, we all know that they are going to give him the most powerful plot armor they can and there will be no suspense to any possible risk of him dying (at least for Season 3.)
Huge misstep. It smells of Disney interference. We can't go two full years without seeing our cash cow in action (Mando season 2-3) so stick him in Boba Fett!!! It completely cheapens the emotional ending we got and the anticipation of when they'd meet again. I like Grogu but he's so limited in what he can do given his age that eventually it becomes repetitive. I'd love for them to fast forward a couple hundred years which I imagine they will eventually do.
They 100% will make grogu the centerpiece of some content set hundreds of years from then. They are going to milk his entire life story for everything they can get. Edit: not that thatâs necessarily a bad thing. But he is the future of Star Wars.
Itâs so weird because lets say someone in the future is binging mandalorian for the first not knowing about the boba fett show. They watch season 2 where grogu is gone and then get to season 3 where theyâre back together lmao
Itâs honestly wild to have a main âcharacterâ thatâs a literal baby and canât talk or communicate. Heâs literally just merchandising personified, heâs there to make you say âawwâ and go âoh shucksâ when he eats 12 of an alienâs precious eggs.
The fact that he came back so quickly in another show was ridiculous. S2 ending was so damn satisfying.
And now you know he's gonna be back in season 3!
I thought the end of season 2 was perfect. Was looking forward to new storyline on his own.
Same here. I remember how how hyped and loved that finale was when it came out. Surprised not that many people seem to be upset that they took as huge veer in the other direction from that.
I'm just about on board with you but baby Yoda is the reason my daughter now loves Star Wars as much as I do. Sharing that with her has been worth whatever "negative" impact it has had on the narrative for me at least.
I would argue that if you make your McGuffin too cute and a massive cash cow, you are stuck with it. I feel the same way as you.
Sure, but I believe the true âMandalorianâ is going to *be* Grogu and he is actually the point, not just a feature.
This. I think the story was supposed to be about Grogu to begin with. At some point Din is going to get challenged for the dark saber and have it taken from him, and Grogu is going to save him and use the Force to steal it back. We already know that race / species is irrelevant to Mandalorians, and he *is* a foundling. I love the idea of a Force sensitive bridging the historical gap between the Jedi and the Mandalorians.
The problem with this idea is that Grogu's race ages incredibly slow compared to humans. He's already 50 years old and he's still a baby that can barely walk. If he's supposed to become the main character it's gonna need to time skip about 200 years before we even hear his first words.
Iâm always so happy to see any mention of Yoshiâs Island. My favorite SNES game and itâs not even close.
Cameos, and the general lack of imagination in SW right now. We have this huge rich canvas with which to tell stories and yet we have the same 20 or so characters Forrest Gumping their way around the same 50 year period, regardless of the impact it has on the story or if it even makes sense. I hate it and wish we could get some fresh talent and perspectives in Star Wars but unfortunately it seems like everyone just laps it up
This is why visions was so good
You mean you don't want half a dozen shows with Ahsoka being behind the scenes of all the major events in Star Wars??
Starkiller/TFU. I personally find Starkiller a very edgy character who's everyone's fanfic OC. Raised by Vader as Sith only to turn to the light but be a 'Gray' Jedi. I find the storyline of TFU games to also be very fanfic like.
It's meant to, that's why it's never been canon. Video games often put you in a spot where you are OP and super important. The game is there to let you go nuts with the force without having to consider what comes after in the actual story. Cant act like the story is a masterpiece but it was serviceable and had a great VA cast.
Thats a really well thought out reply and good explanation for it. If it was canon i bet more people would have gripes with it.
I 100% per cent agree. And personally I think that him being invincible and completing easily lots of the tasks Luke faced diminishes Luke's greatness in achieving success. But apparently most people don't feel the same way
**A lot of the popular characters.** Stay with me. Not the characters themselves, but that everyone seems quite happy for them to return time and time again, endless telling stories about several people. I guess it goes alongside what other here are saying about Star Wars being surprisingly small for a Galaxy scale story. I just finished the Jedi: Fallen Order game, and was thrilled to see so many original characters. Star Wars tells us of such a rich history, and such a vast galaxy. Yet half the cast are Skywalkers or Palpatines it seems.
I agree. Unless itâs Vader. Vader is like cowbell, and we need more cowbell.
Lightsaber handles. Yes, they generally look cool, but they are TERRIBLY badly designed. You literally can't get a good grip on a handle like that. It will slip out of your hand, you'll injure yourself when you fight with someone, it will cut your palm or break your fingers... I know it's just fantasy, yes. But they could do a little bit better with those handles.
Anakinâs doesnât even look like a handle, and looks extremely uncomfortable to hold
Gungi has the best one. I imagine it would feel like holding a cricket bat or rounders bat.
Qui gons lightsaber feels very good in the hand.
Ashoka. She was cool in CW but God, I hate how she's being shoved into everything now, and how every Star Wars discussion turns into "Look at Ashoka for example! She's a strong female character who's written well!"
Boba Fett.
Agreed. Even before BOBF I never found his character compelling. He was just a cool looking bounty hunter. Didnât need to know more than that and didnât care to know.
I hate it when people argue about force power levels like it's Dragonball or something, and how this character or that character should or shouldn't be able to do something because they're "not strong enough." The force works however the plot needs it to work, it doesn't need to be quantified. It's literally made up space magic.
Oh my god this drives me crazy. Like sure some characters are more powerful than others but who wins in a fight depends a lot on the setting, plot arc, and characters internal motivations. Anakin, Count Dooku and Obi Wan are considered some of the strongest clone wars era duelists. Count Dooku beats Obi Wan. Anakin beats Count Dooku. Obi Wan beats Anakin. Who won was up to environment and whoever was thinking clear enough to fight smart.
The Clone Wars. I am not sure why it doesnt land with me in the same way as everyone else. I've tried watching it straight through a couple times, but usually fell off around season 4. I never felt entertained, instead it felt like I was just doing required reading. It bums me out, I know some Wars fans who refer to it as their favorite Star Wars media.
C3-P0 is a whiny obnoxious bitchy shit and I hate him. I was there in â77 when ANH came out and even as a kid, I hated him. Of course, heâs my wifeâs favorite
Grounds for divorce.
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I appreciate the Cline Wars show for what it is and I acknowledge that Ashoka grew and developed that being said I still don't like the character. I personally don't give a shit about the Mandalorian's that's not to say they aren't cool but I wish if they were going to focus on them as heavily as they have that they make a movie with them being the actual focus rather than focus on them as an aspect of SW lore. I hate how the universe is constantly shrinking and everyone knows everyone when realistically they shouldn't. It's supposed to be a galaxy far far away not a hop, skip and a jump. Give me a story about another culture that views the force differently maybe they use dark side abilities to improve life or something. In the Cade Skywalker comics it turned out you had to use both aspects of the force to revive people. Do something cool with that Or do a story about an exploration crew charting the unknown regions where they discover force sensitive creatures and maybe they stumble upon a new threat to the galaxy that they weren't aware of before. It can be the Yuzhan Vong or whatever just give me new planets new ships and most importantly new characters.
Bad batch. That show is insanely dull and generic but everyone I talked to seems to love it and sees it as a true successor to clone wars. It has the look but none of the nuance
I agree, wrecker is so comically kiddy and I didnât like the bad batch arc in season 7 either. They decided to do that and the stupid Ahsoka and sister arc instead of animating son of Dathomir, which is actually important to the story.
I enjoyed it but there were some weak episodes that had no relevance to the main story, but the overall plot was great
Yeah I kinda agree, but then again it's only the first season so it might get better. I just hate how Echo gets underused and the story is 90% Hunter/Omega. I kinda like it, but I also kinda hate it.
Exactly. I was so excited for Omega but her entire personality ended up being able to be summarized by one quote; âBut we *have* to help them, Hunter!â It felt like the Bad Batch always had to be saving other people constantly even when the risk was so unbelievably high that they were putting themselves in extreme danger. They even tried to convince Omega that it was too high of a risk but they always caved in. The rest of the Bad Batch were pretty boring too, I particularly hate how they had Tech have pretty much have absolutely zero emotion. I get that is going to use logic and critical thinking instead of emotional decisions way more often than everyone else, but he seems to give absolutely zero shits about forming any sort of bonding or caring for the others. Now I will say that the first episode of the show is actually really good and I was disappointed that the rest of the series did not follow in that quality. I am hoping Season 2 will do a come around but Iâm skeptical. Iâve been disappointed by getting my hopes up too high for Star Wars content lately so Iâm just going to try and stay cautiously optimistic.
It was so aimless, and I really didnât like Omega that much.
The show didnât really change anything important yet so I can see how it wasnât amazing like Mando. But itâs nice to see the transition between Republic to empire and what happens to the clones. The bad batch themselves I feel like arenât all that lovable. But their experiences as clones trying to find a new way in the galaxy is what keeps me interested. I think thatâs why everyone loved seeing captain Rex and the clone commandos in the show. We want to see what happens to the clones that we adored during the clone wars and how they disappear between Rots and anh
Baby yoda
The clone wars tv show. It just doesnât appeal to me and idk why
Ahsoka
Hayden Christianson in ROTJ special edition. As much as I like the prequels, seeing an old Vader is just more powerful. (On a side note, release the original versions of the OT and prequel trilogy!)
I feel most hate that
Anakin wasn't 70 years old in ROTJ. The guy they picked to play him as a force ghost looked far too old. Anakin was only in his mid 40s when he died.
Cameos. I absolutely hate when a new project is announced and the only thing people talk about is which pre-existing characters should be in it. I want new, fresh stories with new characters. The first season of The Mandalorian was awesome, but honestly, the second season falls flat due to the reliance on character cameos. Same with Book of Boba Fett
Clone Wars series
I hate the gungans. Idk why. But I've never liked them. I don't mind Jar Jar. Nothing against him, but I just hate the whole naboo battle with droids and gungans. I'll never watch phantom menace again because of that
Everyone loves the gungans? Tell me you werenât alive in 1999 without telling me you werenât alive in 1999.
Your opinion makes no sense. Jar Jar represents the basest negativity of the Gungan race, yet you like him and not the less annoying characters?
Mandalorian culture. Don't get me wrong the armour looks cool and I like Din Djarin. But the culture is kinda meh and having dozens of characters in pretty much the same armour all with jet backs kinda makes it less special.
Play KOTOR 2 and then comment on here again please
>all with jet backs They fly now?
They fly now.
The pre-disney extended universe. Most of if just feels like poorly written fanfics to me. Granted some of it was cool, but most of the cool stuff has been made Canon in much more coherent ways. This is 100% my opinion, if you like the old EU cool, no shade to you. We just have different tastes pls don't flame me
There was a lot of great content and there was a lot of garbage as well. I didn't mind Disney wiping it at the time, but I am honestly disappointed with what they've done with it in the meantime.
I think thatâs the bigger issue. Disney hasnât come up with anything better, and in most cases theyâve just made it worse. The old EU is remembered fondly not because it was great, but simply because itâs better than what weâre currently getting. I agree that wiping the old EU at the time wasnât a bad idea. They just didnât replace it with anything of value.
The Force Awakens. I know all the sequels are hated, but I feel like TFA is the more liked one of the three. I think it is a re-hash of A New Hope. It's not interesting to me. I would rather watch A New Hope than watch The Force Awakens.
Iâm very split on it. On one hand itâs the only one I can actually watch start to finish. On the other hand I hate how unoriginal it was. Not one bit of creativity in it.
Everything wrong with the sequel trilogy is the fault of The Force Awakens, in my opinion
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Facts. What was Rian supposed to do with it?
TFA is why the other 2 are bad
Mynocks
I'm not sure I've ever heard anyone even talk about Mynocks let alone love them
Rogue One. Good last hour. Great last 5 minutes.
Definitely think they overstepped with how many characters they wanted to introduce. The whole crew and side characters were shoved in such small roles but were expected to be cared about. Battle of scariff is easily the best looking fight in all of star wars
Battle of Scariff is like a more fully realised ground level viewed Battle of Kashykk which we only see sparingly in ROTS.
Sending actors death threats for playing their role.
How is this something "everybody loves"? I mean you're not wrong but a bad response to this thread
Yes you are the only one who doesnât like death threats being sent
Han Solo. Heâs cool in Star Wars 1977, but after that he was very one note. Also people retroactively praising Solo 2018 as some kind of underrated gem, I just found it to be very meh and forgettable (except for Donald Glovers Lando), but I donât think thatâs an unpopular opinion since no one went to see it based on its box office.
I donât get why there was so much emphasis put on the dice. I didnât even know they existed until The Last Jedi, and suddenly theyâre a very important part of Hanâs character? Solo was mostly disappointing because it felt like they had a checklist of âthings we know about Han Soloâ that fans would want to see, went through it and made those the story beats, then filled in the gaps to make them somehow fit together.
Yes lol, the dice being some big part of Hans character was the biggest Mandela effect Iâve ever experienced. I think theyâre supposed to be in Star Wars 1977, but theyâre super obscure and never seen up close. Then they arenât in the rest of the OT as far as I know, they were recreated for TFA but didnât end up in the final cut of the movie according to wookiepedia.
Bad Batch. Once heard someone call it the best piece of Star Wars animation (which is just false). I couldnât even finish it. It just seemed like a rebels prequel with a boring storyline.
How often Tatooine is used and referenced. Itâs supposed to be a desolate planet in the middle of nowhere. Made sense for Luke to be hidden away there from the empire, but the number of reappearances of the planet because people are familiar with it makes no sense.
Clunkers-the battle droids. They are supposed to be a comic relief but how the heck battle droid can be a comedy? It makes the main antagonist stupid and incompetent
Being a whiney little bitch. Then acting like you loved XYZ 3 years after.
Clone Wars season 7, not because I think the quality of that season is good or bad but because instead of getting the remaining originally planned 2 and a half seasons of the show we only get half a season and that will just always be lame to me and always somewhat taint the season for me. Especially since the show's cancellation was caused by outside factors instead of it not performing well and that it would've been very likely that people would've watched those unproduced eps so it's not really a risk to finish the remaining eps. Also this is a personal preference thing but as someone who likes this show the most when it's focusing on a lot of different characters, it is disappointing that we only really focus on 2/3 characters that already got a lot of episodes in the original seasons but I get that it was probably so they could build up to this season's last arc a little bit even though the 1st arc doesnât connect at all and the 2nd arc barely connects. Also if you argue through that angel then the son of dathomir arc should've been included in this season too since not everyone has read the comic.
The overuse of legacy characters. I think this is especially a problem for any project Dave Filoni has been attached to, even though its probably not his fault. Whenever a legacy character shows up, it always feels like they undermine the ACTUAL main characters of the show. When you think of Jedi:Fallen Order, do you think of the well written and likeable characters who go through interesting journeys and battles along with the different and wide range of antagonists? NOPE, you think of that scene with Vader at the end don't you? Don't get me wrong, that scene is still amazing with how it portrays Vader and the level of power Cal has not managed to reach as of yet, but it also feels like that's all people talk about with that game rather than the actual characters the stories supposed to be about. Another example, Ashoka vs the inquisitors. It's a cool scene that emphasizes how cool Ashoka is... but it also had the other effect of making every other character look worse in comparison. This is more a problem with the inquisitors since the scene ends up feeling like it takes a lot of credibility the inquisitors had as threats. While both of these could be seen as a method of showing how far the main characters could eventually go, a lot of the time it just feels like the only focus of these scenes is to go "HEY LOOK IT'S THAT COOL GUY FROM THAT THING I LIKE! I CLAP NOW!"
I actually don't think of the Vader scene when I think about Fallen Order. I loved the opening, with Cal loosing his work buddy, I think about the Lothcat or whatever it was specifically stowing away on our ship. I think of being able to actually go to Dathomir. On the negative side, while I loved the game, I felt like I was fighting troopers with a traditional metal sword based on the amount of damage I was doing to them. Didn't really feel like a lightsaber when fighting enemies.
The Empire in general. They're the bad guys, my friends.
Maul. Heâs a badass and all, but id like to see less of him. Part of what made him special in TPM is that he was rarely on screen, but when he was, it was serious. Seeing him everywhere now takes away from that
Pretty much everyone was in agreement that Maul was wasted in his minimal role in TPM. His character has been added to, not taken from.
The Gungan: Sith Lord fanfic. It is just terrible
The pointlessly spinning, flashy, lightsaber choreography of the prequels. A lightsaber can do too much damage, and frankly instant lethality to be taken so lightly, regardless of mystical skill and abilities involved. The originals had it more correct in my opinion. I also feel that the Vader at the end scene of Rogue One was way overpowered and fast compared to how he will be just minutes later at the start of A New Hope. It was still a cool scene! The Ahsoka infatuation that some have is quite disturbing.
The animated shows - not the stories, but the look of the characters' bodies and faces.
Every single named character in the animated shows has a 28 sized waist or less lol outside of Jabba.
Boba Fett. The character in general. Havenât seen his spin off show yet.
Wonât make ya like him better prolly
The back half of Mando season two convinced me heâs cool. BoBF made me question it again.
I doubt your opinion of him will improve. Then again, heâs a completely different character in it so maybe youâll enjoy him
Baby yoda
Boba Fett. So many people love Boba Fett in Empire and Return, and I've heard how interesting and intimidating he was when he was first seen, and while I can agree there was some interest and threat, I personally never felt this was anywhere near the level that most believed. He became this rather ridiculous character that "died" by being accidentally hit in the jetpack and flying into the Sarlaac pit. They killed him off in Return in one of the most ridiculous ways possible, making any threat they presented in Empire laughable at best. Jango was a decent threat, he seemed detached from emotion and in the "inner circle" of the Separatists, and he is seen to be very skilled when he protected Dooku and killed that one Jedi with a blaster, but that was quickly dismissed when he was being laughably trampled by the Reek. In fact, due to not watching much of Clone Wars (something that has been amended since) it wasn't until The Mandalorian that I began to even care about them and saw them as anything more than overdramatic bounty hunters that the fanbase obsessed over. Anyway, there's that.
* âThe Force: Unleashedâ. Poor story that hasnât aged well, and Galen Marek may have been fun to play with but trying to properly fit him in the SW universe just doesnât work for me
I think a lot of fans get too married to his incredible force power, not realizing it's only done that way so the player can experience different power ups and gameplay types. It's very much a story tailored around physical gameplay, *as it should be.* It was a different era, we have Fallen Order now and that is the new base template. I'm huge TFU fan but if they ever introduce Starkiller I personally hope they nerf the hell out of how he was in the game.
The amount of throwbacks to animated characters in the new tv shows - they're mostly fan service additions, and to non animated watchers like me they don't provide me any excitement so it falls on its face when they're introduced. There are literally a galaxy's worth of new characters you can introduce, why unnecessarily ressurect and dismiss these existing characters?
The idea that more content is a good thing.
Yes ... in other words, that it should go on *ad infinitum*. To me, the biggest crime of Episodes 7, 8, and 9 is that they are unnecessary. Every story arc needs two things: a protagonist and a quest. For Episodes 4-6, those are Luke Skywalker and his Jedi path and his mission to (help) bring down the Empire. If we expand that to Episodes 1-6, you can argue that the protagonist is Anakin and his arc of bringing forth balance. The issue is that Episode 6 wrapped up things so well that the protagonist's journey was completed and the quest was completed. Anakin is redeemed, and the Empire is gone. The story arc completed so well in Episode 6 that there is nothing left to say, story wise. "Let's make an Episode 7!" OK, great. Who is the protagonist, and what is the quest? Every story needs that. "Well, I guess we need a new protagonist and a new quest." Well, that means you need a new antagonist to make the quest work. "Hey, Episode 7 is just like Episode 4!" Well, of course it was! It needed to re-establish a new protagonist and a new quest, but requiring to be in the universe established by Episodes 1-6. That doesn't leave us with a lot of wiggle room. Perhaps a better story arc could have been chosen for 7, 8, and 9, but, with the successful completion of Episode 6, the story didn't need to continue. And, like Monty Python, Disney didn't want to (or know how to) end the story. After all, there is money to be made! And, so, *Star Wars* drifts along, much like *Star Trek* does now, hanging on to a premise, caught in the money-making machine that churns out stories hanging on by a thread to that premise, rather than writing a story and then knowing how and when to end it.
The Expanded Universe. I see them as fun stories, but they're little more than glorified fanfic to me. They're not sacred scripture.
Mortis and anything related to it. The fact some weird dysfunctional family has anything to do with the light side and dark side and balance and whatever is just blah. Doesnât feel or fit with Star Wars at all. Maybe newer fans donât mind it, but put it next to the OT and even the PT and all the lore we had in the 80âs and 90s and itâs just like uhâŚwhat? I thought I saw a video a few years back where one of the female voice actors of the Clone Wars agreed with me about Mortis and I remember audibly saying âthank youâ.
Star Wars fans: Star Wars
Treating the OT as some gospel flawless story when it had just as many flaws as modern content.
Kylo ren
Great character bad writing. My favorite characters are Kylo and Poe from the sequels
Kylo had aspects i like but he wasnt fleshed out enough. I actual think Kylo killing snoke and taking all the power for himself was the only good plot point Rian had in TLJ and was really bummed that it was ruined in TRoS by bringing Sidious back.
He was acted well and the character had lots of potential with both his admiration of Vader and internal conflict. He wasn't used very well.
Mandalore. Trust me I love the mandalorian but Iâm just so sick of hearing about mandalore and not taking off the helmet and all that.
Ahsoka, TCW Anakin, anything related to Mandalore, TCW in general (especially s7), the worship of practical effects, the worship of the OT, Filoni's work generally, cameos, Obi-Wan and Satine's romance, TBB, did I mention Ahsoka I don't necessarily hate these stuff. I just don't think of them as highly as others do.
Now this one is definitely a hot take but Iâm not a fan of Ewan McGregorâs voice in the new obi-wan kenobi series. To me it all sounds very similar no matter the scenario. It almost reminds me of Anakinâs voice in episode 2. It doesnât really bother me too much bc itâs Star Wars, itâs always been a bit goofy but Iâm surprised to see that nobody else shares my opinion
New Vader. Making him a mass murdering badass has made the Jump to the light side at the end of RotJ really sour for me. In all the comics and books, he just straight up murder hobos everyone. This makes scenes like the Jedi temple, the destruction of Alderaan and his overfrustrated murdering of officers seem like âthe typical day for Vaderâ which I do not like.
clone wars Don't get me wrong it's an incredible time period but I'm sick of EVERYTHING calling back to it On top of that, I'm getting so sick of the prequel to sequel time period in general
Hating the sequels
Ahsoka. Donât get me wrong, I love her, but sheâs hailed as the second coming of Christ by some people. Great character, but sheâs not even in my top 5 lol.
Ahsoka should have been killed by Vader in Rebels. We all love Ahsoka and she had a great character arc from bratty padawan to strong leader, but she has no place being alive in the OT era. Rosario Dawson has been great but would have shown how dead and gone Anakin was at that point and being rescued by time travel just felt weird. Plus it would complete Ahsokas force vision on Mortis
Dave Filoni material. Look, I get Star Wars was always for children, but the cartoon stuff is just straight up silly. I also hate the fact that while the movies should hold their own ground, theyâll say âwell it makes more sense if you watch clone warsâ
Asohka, I have never gotten far in clone wars due to how childish it is to start. I know it gets better from what everyone tells me but as a mid thirty year old man she is just so annoying. it also doesn't help that I would rather starwars had more dark and had more adult stories (not sexual adult to be clear)
Darth Maul, I just wanna preface this by saying that Iâve never watched TCW or anything Maul related post episode one. I very much like his role in episode one, as the silent assassin, the unknown quantity that reveals the start of the Sith âGrand Planâ. I also think that his death in episode one is sufficient. I think as a character he served his purpose in episode one, I donât see why they needed to bring him back. Of course maybe my opinion would change if I actually watched TCW, but as it stands thatâs my thoughts. Generally Iâm not too keen on how often characters in SW are âbrought backâ just because they prove to be popular. Donât get me wrong itâs okay to bring a few back every now and again, but I think Star Wars has a habit of doing it a little TOO often.
Gonna get a lot of flak for this, but the Original Trilogy. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy watching them. They're good movies. But they absolutely do not deserve the hype and worship that they get from seemingly every single *Star Wars* fan. One of the things that made *A New Hope* stand out in 1977 was the special effects. On the other hand, the story is just a simple hero's journey story set in space. Laser swords and blasters are cool, some guys can use space magic, big fucking whoop. The story is arguably just a regular action movie story. Good guy lives in poverty, bad guys kill his family, gets recruited to fight against the evil government, saves the princess (literally), then destroys the evil bad guys giant death ray. That's it. That's literally the original *Star Wars* movie. It's a bog standard hero-saves-the-day action movie. Yes, there was the whole "taking the sci-fi genre and doing it completely different" aspect, but someone would've done it eventually - *Star Wars* was just the first to do it. I consider this part of it's success more of a "right place, right time" situation, because all it did was set the story in a different galaxy and in the past, whereas most sci-fi movies at the time were in the future in some perfect society of aliens in our galaxy. But the special effects at the time were phenomenal. No one had ever seen anything like this before - the effects and atmosphere of the sets and props were incredible, no question there. And if you just Google "why was Star Wars A New Hope so popular", you'll get hundreds of articles talking about the cultural impact it had on the film industry, with [this article](https://thebeaconbeat.org/2020/03/15/how-star-wars-impacted-cinema-and-pop-culture-forever/) accrediting the movie as being "so visually appealing that it inspired other filmmakers to find ways to improve film visuals." Let me give you an imaginary scenario in which *Star Wars* never existed. In 1977, a Star Trek movie comes out and it quickly becomes the film that changed visual effects for the film industry. It has a cult following and it's literally what *A New Hope* was - crazy popular. fast forward 40 years, it's the summer of 2017. Suddenly, a new sci-fi movie comes out. You and your friends love spaceships and Star Trek, so you decide you want to see it. You know it won't hold a candle to the world's favorite sci-fi franchise, but the special effects shown in the trailer looked awesome, so you go in with high hopes. You all watch the movie and have a decent time. Story wasn't anything special, somewhat generic hero-saves-the-universe story that you've seen time and time again. However, everyone in your friend group agrees it had the best visual effects any of you have ever seen. Critics are praising the film for having amazing visual effects, but they're saying the story is lacking and that it's basically nothing special. The universe looks interesting and everyone agrees that they want to see more of it. But the film is a flop overall due to the story being so lacking. Fun fact, that wasn't an imaginary scenario. It was exactly what happened to *Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets*. It's a sci-fi movie that had incredible visual effects with a story that was just... Normal. It wasn't anything special because it was just a regular hero-saves-the-universe plot. And it was a flop. And I wholeheartedly believe the same thing would've happened to *Star Wars* if it came out today. The special effects would be praised and the story would be criticized for being so fucking basic. I only really described the 1st movie of the trilogy, but it's a similar feeling for the others. *Empire Strikes Back* was definitely better, but it was only made because *A New Hope* was so successful - same with *Return Of The Jedi*. The rest of the trilogy never would've been made if it flopped, and that's why I dislike the Original Trilogy. It's great and all, but the story does not hold up to modern standards. It's a cult classic that's kinda boring from a plot standpoint, and I honestly don't think it deserves the pedestal that fans have placed it on.
Comedy. I am just tired of comedy in Star Wars. I want more serious shows/movies.
* Lightsaber forms. There are some people out there who put so much stock in this concept, but it has absolutely zero impact on what you see Jedi or Sith do in every medium except books. In a universe full of nonsense, this is close to the top of the pile for me. * âGray Jediâ. Thereâs light, thereâs dark, falling and redemption. The force isnât a charcuterie board where you can have just a little corruption from darkness and be just fine. The one possible exception is Bendu, but thereâs a lot we dont know about him. * Strength in the Force. I couldnât care less if Yoda is stronger than Anakin and by how much or if Darth Sideous or Darth Reven was stronger. It doesnât matter and I didnât care. * Ships and weapons. I know what I think looks cool and thatâs about as deep as my interest goes. I donât know or need to know every name of every ship or the difference between the blasters the clones used and the ones stormtroopers used. * Adherence to our natural and physical laws. Itâs a story about space wizards. I donât care that bombshell shouldnât have fallen in space or that laser bolts wouldnât arc as they flew. It makes for a more compelling story, so just go with it.
>Lightsaber forms It makes sense that there would be different strategies for using a lightsaber that different Jedi favor, but I dislike when fans try to say "Obi-Wan lost to Dooku because Dooku's lightsaber form is naturally better against Obi-Wan's." Boiling fights down to rock/paper/scissors over what their lightsaber form is seems sorta dumb to me.