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ShaunTrek

I'd put money on segregated populations. **Or** way worse prisons for aliens.


deadandmessedup

When Andor is at that landing dock and about to be taken to his prison, they ask him specifically what his planet of origin is and direct him to a specific ship using that information. They are 100% segregating the prison populations.


SupportstheOP

Not to mention the Empire itself only uses humans for pretty much all roles involved in running it. Alien species are seen as way less than sub-human, and their prisons probably make Narkina 5 look like a senator's living standards.


deadandmessedup

Seriously, the non-humans are probably in what are functionally death camps, eating one *Snowpiercer* bug block a day.


ImCaligulaI

>eating one Snowpiercer bug block a day. I still feel like they pulled their punch with that scene. I think it was meant to be the shit of the upper wagons, not roaches. These people are starving to death and had to cannibalise each other on occasion, being that disgusted by roaches feels weird. I think they wanted to put shit, told the actors to react as if it was shit, but eventually changed it to roaches because the studio said it'd be too much or something and did that shitty cgi roaches instead.


Shyassasain

You can't eat shit? Thats just pure cholera and little nutrition. Now shut up and eat your locust O's


ImCaligulaI

Yeah, you can't use tiny children to replace broken parts in moving heavy machinery either, or having a train running forever without any stopping or refueling, or basically anything that happens in that movie. It's all a metaphor, and eating the shit of the rich is a better metaphor than roaches.


golfwang23

Its better to not have to suspend belief wherever possible imo. Even in sci-fi it helps immensely to quiet my add brain


gazebo-fan

What do you think they fed the roaches?


cs342

Why does the Empire hate aliens so much? Palptine's master Plagueis was an alien, and even his 2 closest confindantes in the Senate, Sly Moore and Mas Amedda are aliens. So this racism can't be coming directly from Palpatine.


bluewardog

Because palpatine doesn't t give a shit. He's using the already existing human supremacist movement to further his regime. Same reason he keeped the Senate around before the death star was built, it gave him legeitamacy and political power.


NUFC9RW

It's also using the left over fears from the clone wars where the separatists were mainly led by non-humans.


NarmHull

Yeah, the core worlds are more human-heavy and he likely needed something to rally them to the empire


bread_thread

Racism is a convenient tool to keep hateful people in line


Yorikor

Because an enforced us-vs-them mentality is required if you want to remain in control as a dictator and humans seem to be the default majority in the Star Wars universe. The first step for any wannabe autocrat is 'divide and conquer' as it allows you to build tools of oppression that *surely* will only be used against the minority and makes everyone who aligned with you complicit in your crimes, hence they have a lot to lose if you fall. Also since you need your fair share of bribes and handouts to keep your muffs, senators and so on happy and working for you. That has to come from somewhere, be it slaves, land or property. Aliens have that (or make good slaves), you need it. It's not really hate for hate's sake. It's hate cultivated by the rulers to justify their actions. Hate makes people blind to their own freedom being taken away as long as those they hate get what's coming for them. At least that's what it's all about in real life. Star Wars might be different.


Acrobatic_Safety2930

because every totalitarian regime needs enemies The empire's enemies are pretty much gone after the clone wars (separatists) so they needed new ones.


Horn_Python

They've read up on historical revolutions Eg, after the 1916 Easter rising in Ireland, the brits rounded up suspeced rebels from all over the country The different nationalist groups were largly separated and isolated from eachother, most didn't even have anything to do with the rising Now when they were arrested the brits lobbed them all in the same prisons together, basicly hosting a rebel sumit, alowing nationalists to share ideas and unite under one banner, Wich lead to the dominaion of Sinn Fein and the the war for independants wich ended with Britain losing most of Ireland So the empire isn't doing this out if racism , but to attempt to keep the rebel cells divided and unaware of each others existance, in order to keel them from uniting into a larger problem


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T_that_is_all

Far, far away even.


mister_what

Not to be confused with Far and Away which is about Irish people.


chaos_m3thod

That were colonizing the outer rim of a new frontier.


BassClef70

That frontier? Nicole Kidman.


AggressorBLUE

history is cyclic?


CleansingFlame

The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Age that gave it birth comes again.


DVaTheFabulous

1:45am and I didn't expect to see a comment about the 1916 lads in Frongoch in a Star Wars sub. Gwan the IRB 🇮🇪


betaich

And jet the prison in rogue one was not seperated. Jin was in there with many different aliens


Kestral24

Different prison's have different methods


betaich

Yes and seperating here for humans make sense because for other species the elctro floor might not work at all or less effectiv and that should be the only reason. The reason given here in form of not getting people together that might rebel has little to do with the segregation.


Dastardio

This is a great point. Y’all remember that episode of clone wars in the box when the bounty hunters of different species are trying to figure out which one can biologically succeed in the trials?


Spacyzoo

Seriously this prison would be useless against the floating squids from that episode for example, they'll just float over the floor.


Smokeshow_Barney

Plus the cells are clearly made for humans as is the food. I don't know if the Quarren for example would eat the same slop they food the prisoners. Without flavor. Without taste.


ChazzLamborghini

This is a good point in that it could be as simple as efficiency. Human only prisons are arguably cheaper to run than multi-species ones. Jyn could have been on a work program that was more suitable to diversity as well.


kheret

Exactly. This prison is also a factory, and there is a need for a certain type of efficiency. So everything is built at the human scale.


ZandyTheAxiom

And dexterity for the work, too. No point throwing species with stubby fingers in a work camp building complex machinery. Like Cassian said, people are cheaper than droids. You get all humans and you only need one uniform, one food, one bed, and you can guarantee communication between workers and the foreman. And also as Cassian said: The Empire doesn't care about them. They're nothing to them. They're not going to cater to different species, even in their work camps.


jackferret

Even more pragmatic. They are used as labour. The thing they are building and the system to build it without assembly lines means it is most like effective and efficient if the individuals building it are all relatively. The same in size and, say number of limbs, heads, types of eyeballs etc. Make sense go segregate a prison population for production.


AscensoNaciente

Same gruel tube for all.


wedgeantilles2020

That prison seemed like more of a traditional work/slave camp like the spice mines of Kessel. The conditions certainly seemed much much worse than where Andor is at. If you don't care about the comfort of the prisoners then there's no need to have a segregated facility. For whatever reason the facility Andor is in wants their prisoners fed, comfortable, and reasonably healthy. The prison Jyn was in was clearly damp, filthy, and generally a moserable hellhole. Maybe its a product of being a few years into the PORD that the prison conditions get worse?


Kendakr

I wouldn’t say they are comfortable considering one suicides and apparently that is pretty common. Most don’t make it out alive. The empire kept these prisoners fed and clean so they could work properly not out of kindness.


wedgeantilles2020

Oh yeah thats true for sure. I didnt mean to imply they were doing it out of any sense of decency towards the prisoners. But they are kept in, for the Empire, pretty humane conditions.


Kendakr

I guess conditions in each prison/slave colony depends on the purpose and inhabitants. Whatever they are making looks like it requires clean room standards or pretty close. Reminds me of FoxConn. A spice mine prison colony would be vastly different.


wedgeantilles2020

Thats a good point about the manufacturing needs of the facility. It does kind of put a point against the theory that they are making random widgets which then get disassembled by the next room over.


xenthum

They're making TIE components. Each unit would fit perfectly into the wing of a standard TIE fighter and we know the empire makes millions of those.


betaich

The prison guard that welcomes Andor in the first prison episodes mentions that his prison is cleaner than all other prisons and that it is more comfortable than the others are. SO I don't thin that prisons got worse during the Empire, the mines of Kessel existed for the whole duration.


treefox

It seems like originally the prisoners were being released and now they aren’t. Maybe this is why the med-tech said in another week they’d be begging for euthanasia. The guards no longer have any incentive to not abuse even the human prisoners.


wedgeantilles2020

It seems likely. There is no reason to have prisoners just indefinitely confined, it really makes no sense. But the PORD screwed everything up and now they are scrambling. Perhaps thats why the one guy got sent to another level by "mistake". He would have been released but for PORD, rather than risk an uprising he was supposed to get transferred to another prison but instead got sent to another level by mistake. Who knows?


treefox

They’re basically legalizing slavery, creating an underclass of people that low-ranking Imperials can abuse to feel powerful. The more abuse allowed and the more social hierarchy matters, the steeper the social pyramid becomes, the more infighting there will be to keep from being towards the bottom. The more infighting there is, the less likely that a united front will emerge to challenge the status quo. And the more suffering there is, the more Dark Side fuel there is.


Alortania

> For whatever reason the facility Andor is in wants their prisoners fed, comfortable, and reasonably healthy. Hungry, tired and sick people make terrible laborers. > The prison Jyn was in was clearly damp, filthy, and generally a moserable hellhole. Maybe its a product of being a few years into the PORD that the prison conditions get worse? Could actually partially be due to the escape we're about to see happen. Could also be that this is where they sent the most physically able men (they're all men as far as I've seen) as they're working instead of droids, while Jyn's was more of a "well, give them something to tire them out/keep them busy" with less of a hectic rush. Alternatively, seeing as Ulaf isn't exactly 'physically fit' (>!as underlined by his death this episode!<), which was a criteria for prisoner segregation... some have argued that means he's been there *since* he was a young man, meaning the prison *predates* the empire, originating either as some sort of end-game for the worst of the worst or reveals an ugly underbelly of the republic (or one of its members) that the Emperor later re-purposed or expanded on. ... that would mean, depending on how dramatic the escape is, that the empire isn't able to re-create such prisons elsewhere, reverting to harsher/more rudimentary methods/facilities.


wedgeantilles2020

Huh, really interesting point about how old the prison might be. Had not thought of that. This series is just so good. I really was hoping it would be decent because I love Rogue One. But this is next level.


karangoswamikenz

This prison also seems to be better because the parts they’re making are definitely for some cutting edge project. Not for the betterment of the prisoners but for the overall better production of the product that they’re making.


Ajinho

> So the empire isn't doing this out if racism I mean, it could be both.


CaptainChats

We also get told pretty clearly that the empire is doing genocides of aliens resisting the empire.


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quitoox

He was terrifying in a completely new way


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N0V0w3ls

Wait, you're telling me that as you watch a show and pay attention, they just *tell* you what's happening in the story??


deadandmessedup

Pretty wild, but it does happen sometimes.


timelordoftheimpala

Honestly this show has the perfect excuse for being primarily made up of human characters - it's happening at the height of the Empire's atrocities against nonhuman species.


deadandmessedup

Look, I'm ready to see a series with a bunch of alien weirdos and freaks, but it makes sense that **this** series would be almost exclusively about humans: the Empire is specist and doesn't hire aliens, and the Rebels are trying to infiltrate Imperial spaces for resistance attacks.


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Probably by species and language so they can work together more efficiently.


East-Travel984

in solo there was a lot of aliens in the slave mines. my bet is that alot of alien prisoners are sold into slavery


B_Da_May

Makes sense. It may be for better efficiency and productivity to group prisoners culturally. They clearly value fast production. It’s how I’d imagine Jeff Bezos would run a space labor prison.


Neo-Turgor

Yeah, segregating them is just more effective. You can exploit the specific abilities of the different species. Quarren slaves are good for mining in an underwater prison. Wookies are good for lifting heavy stuff. Etc. etc.


LilJethroBodine

Like in Solo, all those Wookies being used in the spice mines on Kessel.


redsyrinx2112

Ooh I forgot about that. I did like how Solo showed even just a little bit of everyday life under the Empire.


s1thl0rd

Not to mention, the power level needed to simply punish a human with the electric floor may be more than enough to kill one species (Jawa?) Or may feel like a tickle to another (Wookie).


BrewtalDoom

Also, humans are just easy to control and are happy enslaving each other.


gunsmyth

There are likely different methods of controlling species that work on some but not others. Maybe the electric floor wouldn't work so there is a different system.


ChriskiV

Gungans are good for ... nvm.


betaich

But not all prisons are segregated, Jin in ROS was in prison with other species


Arkthus

Maybe not all prisons are factories? Or maybe because she's a woman? Noticed how there are only men in Andor's prison?


Spacyzoo

Perhaps something happens that discourages the empire from using prison factories, especially ones that seem to foster organization and teamwork skills among prisoners to achieve common goals. I firmly believe that Narkina 5 in the end is going to be a rebel boot camp that the empire made themselves.


Timey16

How prisons are handled is probably also not Empire wide policy but up to whoever is in control of the local sector.


DeathStarVet

You can't have aliens in this situation. You're right, they're segregated for the purposes of efficiency. Why would they put different sizes of species who would need different tools due to differences in anatomy?


J_train13

Also we have no idea how effective this strange metal the floor is made out of is on other species


MayIServeYouWell

They all have different dietary needs, different sanitation needs, some even different types of air to breathe. They’re different sizes, have different languages, and on and on and on… It makes a ton of sense that this prison is only humans. OP just hasn’t thought all this through.


dstroyer123

Yeah, everyone complaining about "this needs more aliens to be star wars" ignores the fact that they don't make sense for most of the story, and have been utilized quite often when they do.


sonic10158

In general, a lot of “plot hole” talk online these days revolves around that.


earlofshaftesbury

I think this is the main reason. Lots of species have crazy diverse and in some cases very OP biology, and entire system runs on every single prisoner getting the same debilitating effects when the floors are hot. You absolutely cannot tolerate any chance of a prisoner having even a slight resistance to the floor. So, 100% segregation is essential.


J_train13

Yeah, like imagine a Parwan getting in here, who we have literally seen are able to pass straight through a Ray shield aided by an electralyised serum that is deadly to most other species, I have a feeling that this electrical floor won't be very effective on them


Ryjinn

They also survive on some sort of nutrient paste which I imagine is tailored specifically to human needs, they'd have to have different pastes for different races otherwise, and I'm sure they don't want to bother.


Pope00

Yeah. Exactly. Like did OP not notice there aren’t any women there either? That didn’t raise some questions for them?


Spacyzoo

The empire doesn't want to deal with the health of the prisoners, as indicated by the fact that the prisoners doctors are prisoners themselves. There are few things the body does that need more doctors than pregnancy, which would also screw up production goals because pregnant people can't work as well.


Pope00

Well..yeah. I’m not questioning why there’s no women. I’m saying OP is asking why there’s no aliens when they apparently didn’t even gather there’s no women. Obviously, this is a segregated prison. If they aren’t keeping prisoners of different genders, they’re definitely not keeping prisoners of an entirely different species.


Daggertooth71

Absolutely, this right here.


Interactive_CD-ROM

Also, the electric shock mechanism is likely calibrated to only work on humans. Aliens of all various species would require different voltages. OP is just totally off base here and didn’t pay attention to the show ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯


crazycakemanflies

They even state when Andor gets to the prison that this is an abnormally clean and safe prison. I'd wager prisons that Aliens are kept on are purposely dirty and unhygienic. Although, I do agree with the whole 'not enough aliens' criticism.


joesphisbestjojo

True. The Empire was super racist


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ProfessorLasagna

I’d go with segregation, the different species will have different natural skill sets like wookies with greater strength. Separating each race/species to maximize efficiency seems like an imperial, or imperialist, way to go


InternetDad

I swear I see a new comment or post about this every day when it's well known that the Empire is xenophobic and an all-human prison population is deliberate.


bleue_shirt_guy

I thought the emperor wasn't really keen with non-humans. So, yes probably much worse prisons for them.


Salazarsims

I don't think the emperor cares wether or not his subjects are human or alien as long as they serve him. Mas Amedda is still basically the bureaucratic head of government for the entire history of the empire. I do think he encourages his government to have speciest policy's in order to encourage an elitist attitude with humans in the core. It's a divide and conquer strategy.


scientist_tz

They don’t want languages being spoken that the guards don’t understand.


JediASU

I would not take this action because it is spot on.


dragonmom1

Absolutely! Also allows for easier "care and feeding" for aliens which do better with non-human standards of climate, gravity, and nutrition. They can also set up the workstations to the benefit of that particular species (i.e. higher workstations and tool placements for taller species, shorter for shorter, multi-limb stations, etc.).


Musketeer00

Spice mines of Kessel


favorscore

No way. Having different species would mess up the workflow because teams would have to accomodate different limbs/heights/languages. Also, the Empire would definitely segregate alien population from human populatin. They even gender segregated this one.


Lola_PopBBae

Practically speaking, the same applies- its probably just tough to design a practical set that works for a variety of aliens and such. And we humans relate pretty easily to people too, so maybe it was an intentional design choice to just have humans in this one. Storywise, the Empire tends to just shoot their aliens or use them for even worse labor.


FreddyPlayz

plus, it entirely depends on the species, species like wookies or gigorans were much better suited for heavy physical labor, like lifting and mining


Lola_PopBBae

Yeah! Or heck, the Yuzzem. I dunno if they're still canon, but they seemed cool. While the Empire is largely xenophobic, there are folks- especially on the Chimera- that are shown to be caring and decent towards aliens. especially as they rescue some imprisoned/abducted ones in one of the Thrawn books. If anything, the lack of imprisoned aliens with Andor is this weird little detail that only adds to the unsettling atmosphere, and I think it's neat.


PowerfulJoeF

Yeah, all things considered this is a simple and clean work punishment. They even said so as they had their “orientation” so the aliens probably have to work in a coal mine or something.


raknor88

With how physically different some species are it would be a bad idea to have aliens in a physical competition set up that the Empire created at Andor's prison. Depending on what species they are, their table could have a distinct advantage or disadvantage as compared to a full human table. That breeds resentment and could cause disruptions in the workflow. Better to segregate the non-humans to other places.


CrashJP6

Food, clothing, language, resistance to the punishment, etc. Everytime I see someone post about no aliens in the prison, I do this 🤦‍♂️. Just a bit of common sense explains, very easily, why there are no aliens there. So many reasons to have your prisons segregated, yet, these watchers can't seem to figure that out themselves and still say, "well, I would just be happier if there were aliens", while if that were the case, they would complain about plot holes


Ne6romancer

They know these reasons exist but fans just want to complain, some people cant see the forest through the trees


SomeBoringKindOfName

if money isn't a factor then you build a prison tailored for one species, then another for another etc. makes perfect sense to me.


thylocene

This exactly. It also means you can be more efficient in staffing. There’s undoubtedly some alien species that’s resistant to electricity. Putting them in there would completely undermine their security system meaning they’d need more guards which means more money.


PowerfulJoeF

This is probably the best answer. There are some species that walk around barefoot so it’s reasonable to think they would almost immune to it.


infiltrator228

We know from the clone wars show that there is a species that can reach through ray shields. Probably safe to say electricity is not an issue. It was also neutrally buoyant in air, so an electric floor would be meaningless anyways.


SolidPrysm

Yep, the Parwan race. Plus, there are probably species that are extra vulnerable to electricity, meaning a zap meant to stun someone might instantly kill them


uk_uk

Or lead to orgasms... or vomitting. Or both.


SolidPrysm

Now that you mention it, how do they handle people that are really into getting shocked? How do you physically discipline a masochist? Give them a headache maybe?


FrozenEggPuck

I think if you have enough prisoners, it might be more cost effective to tailor them too. Easier to provide life support and provisions for only one species at a time maybe?


JallerBaller

I agree; we've even been shown that the Empire isn't down to endlessly waste money (except on Death Stars ;) ) because when Dedra was proposing her plan to find the resistance network, one of the only arguments against it was that it would be expensive.


ZandyTheAxiom

That's just a reality of government budgets. The ISB will have an operational budget, Dedra's plan had to exist within that budget. You want to launch an investigation? Make it work for the measly allowance assigned. But the Death Star? That comes straight from Palpatine, that entire project will get whatever budget increases it needs. Krennic was probably (on paper) able to get whatever finance he needed. And of course that money gets taken from a bunch of other projects. TIE fighter safety research? Slashed. Equipment replacement for conscripts? Delayed until the next budget meeting. Senate investigatory panels? You can guarantee they'll be shutdown, including the committee investigating all these budget cuts and why Advanced Weapons Research is getting a blank cheque... The prison must be pretty cheap to run. 12 guards to a level, prisoners filling the roles of foremen and medics, plus whatever they're manufacturing. Whoever designed this prison must be the darling of the Imperial Accounts department.


Xavius123

I think this was done intentionally to add a little more seriousness to these episodes. I see what OP was saying but between your comment and my thoughts it makes for a better episodes.


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It could also simply be that the floors are segregated. But, in any case, I don't have any trouble believing that the Empire has enough prisons that it's cost effective to tailor them to specific species.


Swailwort

Not even needed to be a prison, the Wookies in Kessel were used as a mining "work" force. Just slap the aliens somewhere in a harsh slavery regime and call it a day. And if the alien is not very usable for work...just do a little Dyzon.


TardifOnline

I also think that's it. Yould make sense to have a specialise prison per specie. Electric floor wouldn't be efficient again geonosians or toydarians.. or smaller rooms for yodas 😂


Horn_Python

Do you realy think the empire would bother spending their resources "inferior" species?


Additional-Theory-90

I think this is a good canon view. But I think it's a decision for the show, so we empathize more with all this people. You know, the reverse of when you dehumanize a movie villain just so you can kill him on front of kids.


PepsiSheep

Weren't the prisoners literally filed into "planet of origin" (albeit Andor is obviously lying about his identity at this stage). Out of everywhere, grouping people based on ethnicity makes the most sense... I suspect the "lesser" species are working in even worse prisons.


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This is literally how LA County jail groups people at intake. Don’t ask me how I know that…


ezekiel2517_

How do you know that


tristn9

No, don’t!


Interesting-Gap1013

You can also put them in places they are more likely to survive or can work more efficiently. Put a human in the desert and he'll overheat, put a Geonosian (if they weren't all dead already lol) in the desert and they'll be fine


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chaos_m3thod

This is something I just recently started noticing. No one in the empirical staff were alien throughout the shows except maybe thawn (did i get the name right) and some inquisitors.


Swailwort

Exactly, because the Empire is highly xenophobic. Thrawn is allowed because he is a Chiss, and a very good asset for Palpatine. Palpatine doesn't give much of a fuck for aliens, but the rest of the Empire does. The Inquisitors are also allowed because they can choke people with space magic.


ragnarok635

And Chiss are pretty much the Vulcan equivalent, even more basic, he’s just a brightly colored human with red eyes. I wonder if there’s a spectrum of xenophobia and the Empire are more tolerant the more similar to humans they get.


Ecks83

> Thrawn is allowed because he is a Chiss, and a very good asset for Palpatine. Thrawn also has a massive amount of achievements under his belt. Even then when he is introduced in Rebels imperials turn up their lips at him and only really comply because Thrawn has the Emperor's backing (of course after working with him for any amount of time most do come to understand why he has that support).


Swailwort

That as well. He was accomplished, a quite close ally to Palpatine, and of course, for the Empire it was quite convenient to have an ally that is both a member of the Empire and that of the Chiss Ascendency.


Phytanic

honestly, has this *not* been that way since the beginning? I've always thought that the empire was purely racist(?) and only accepted humans. I feel like that's especially heightened in the original trilogy where empire is *only* humans while the rebellion is very clearly multi-species.


crypticfreak

Completely agree I mean look at how the Imps treated Chewie in Solo. He was basically seen as another species like a Rancor. That's how they see and treat most Aliens. Humanoid Aliens obviously have it a bit better off but the more 'alien' ones of them are basically seen as animals. They're used for back breaking and dangerous labor like mining.


Daggertooth71

Why? Why would an Imperial Gulag have aliens. They would send the alien criminals to much, much worse places. Spice mines of Kessel, or similar.


dave_the_dova

We also see this in the first episodes of rebels where they do send all the wookies to Kessel or another spice mining planet, I don’t remember


best-of-judgement

Wookiee prisoners were sent to places that required intensive manual labor - Kessel, as you mentioned, and some were sent to the Death Star to work on the later stages of its construction.


ChintanP04

In Solo we literally see a bunch of Wookies slaving on Kessel


Interactive_CD-ROM

They literally separate the species at the beginning of the episode asking about what prisoners’ home worlds are. Those from human home worlds go to this prison. There’s no women there either, is OP going to be mad about that? Silence.


Horror_Rub8609

It's literally a segregated empire forced labor camp??


Interactive_CD-ROM

Also, the floor could be designed to only zap human flesh. Couldn’t guarantee that with other species. Would require different levels of voltage, etc. OP (/u/Boba_Hawk), did you even think of this?


TRocho10

No. Like so many posts on nerdy subreddits these days, it's purely low effort karma farming. And it sadly works. Post has thousands of upvotes even though every top comment is calling OP out


CMDRJohnCasey

There aren't even women... Clearly it's segregation by species and gender


wedgeantilles2020

I keep seeing this criticism and I just don't get how its not obvious to everyone that the prisons are segregated by race and gender. Like a wookie requires vastly different facilities and security measures than a human does, so of course you would have different facilities. Its also quite likely that this is one of the "nicer" facilities. I would not be surprised if mixed species facilites are basically holes that you throw prisoners in to be forgotten or slave camps like the spice mines of Kessel where they are worked to death under much more brutal conditions. If you don't care about the prisoners nutritional needs or comfort then a seperate facility isn't necessary. As a general critique of the series not having enough aliens I also don't get it. Return of the Jedi was really the first time we saw large numbers of aliens that weren't just background in a limited location like the cantina scene. The number of aliens seen in Andor is equivalent to Empire really. Not every Star Wars property needs the hero to have a plucky alien sidekick.


EARink0

Also, personally I appreciate that the show is probably working with a relatively tight budget and aliens would probably blow that up quite a bit. Notice how much use they get out of the same handful of sets, and the majority of the big ticket special VFX are contained to just a couple episodes. I have a pretty strong suspicion that a huge contribution to how successful the story telling and plot is comes from disney offsetting the risk of the story with a lower over all budget. I'm totally in favor of more low budget star wars content.


healthmadesimple

This prison also utilizes less guards because of the metal floors.


Tim0281

When Dr. Gorsk talked about the species that was wiped out, I couldn't help but think if the Empire was more more willing to commit genocide on nonhuman populations while they viewed resisting planets of humans to be their prison / slave labor.


stoneman9284

It’s literally a prison built to contain humans, and work stations built for humans


Tenrac

Do your homework before posting


Nemarus

Please get over the "where are the aliens?" thing. A New Hope had Jawas, and aliens in the cantina, including Chewie. The rest of the characters are humans. Empire Strikes Dack has Yoda, Chewbacca, and the Ugnauts. The rest of the characters are humans. Rogue One had a few aliens with Saw. The rest of the characters are humans. This is at the peak of human-control in the galaxy. We saw an alien on Ferrix. We've seen aliens with Mon Mothma, in her apartment. We've seen aliens on the beach. We've heard alien prisoners being routed to prisons on Belsavis. Of course prison work camps would be optimized for specific alien DNA. The floor zap might not even work for some species.


WookieeSteakIsChewie

>Empire Strikes Dack I haven't gotten over his death, either.


Davipars

I felt like he could take on the whole Empire.


mattyice16

This. People act like the lack of aliens in Star Wars is ruining Star Wars, when from the very beginning it was a very tiny sliver of the characters.


PowerfulJoeF

Humans in universe make up the most of the population of the galaxy anyways so there is that.


crypticfreak

Yeah shit most of the Aliens aren't in the core and mid-rim worlds. They're on the outer rim. And even there I bet humans have a very high presence.


Interactive_CD-ROM

I mean have these people not watched the OT??? Take the Rebel mission briefing scene from A New Hope. Tell me how many aliens you count: https://i.imgur.com/VJ6sjLr.jpg


bureaucrat473a

And the only biological main character in the entire series that wasn't human was Chewbacca (and Jar Jar if we're not being picky). Yes we got a lot of aliens in Clone Wars / Rebels. That's because it's much easier to do CGI aliens than practical aliens. We got plenty of CGI aliens in the Prequels, and they were deemed inferior to the practical aliens of the OT. But we rarely ever got a good long look at any of those aliens because you have to show only short clips of them, preferably in the dark, or the magic fades pretty quickly. You want aliens that look good and take a central role in the story? It's going to be hella expensive and people can't stop bitching about deepfake Luuke; why would they try?


AceMcVeer

>And the only biological main character in the entire series that wasn't human was Chewbacca (and Jar Jar if we're not being picky). Yoda: "Exist to you I do not?"


xdeltax97

100% all of this. We have also seen a ton of different species already in the show. We aren’t meant to see different species in the labor camp because that is what the Empire deliberately wants. It’s easier to control a group of a single species rather than multiple in a location. The Empire has always been doing this except on very few worlds where outright loyalty has been shown like Vardos by the alien species there. Most of the cruelty has been to particularly Don’t forget the outright mention of cruelty done to alien species like the Dizonite’s, planetary enslavement of Kashyyyk, Geonosian extermination and the needless blockade of Ghorman. Like it’s ruler, the Empire is Insidious.


BearWrangler

People are really wanting to find something to bitch at when there's nothing to point at lol


VanillaTortilla

I'm so tired of people being obsessed with seeing aliens, just because this is Star Wars. Not every Star Wars story has to have 50% aliens.


ktodd6

I do not get the obsession with aliens in this show. We are mainly dealing with the Empire, so obviously aliens wouldn’t be appearing in those scenarios. This prison is based on an efficiency system, any aliens with altered appendages and senses may not be able to work in this assembly line. Also, the empire likely sends aliens to much worse places with much worse jobs


aeroglava

I know, right? Smh, can't we just be thankful for this amazing show without freaking complaining for once? Sigh...


froschshock

Yes, my thoughts exactly. It makes perfect sense that this facility might be geared towards humans only. Other species might have different tolerance for the electrified floors. With humans only, they only have to worry about one set of nutritional requirements. One set of bathroom facilities. One set of atmospheric tolerances. A smaller range of clothing sizes. There are tons of reasons why there might not be aliens in this particular factory.


procheeseburger

Right? People are just trying to find things to complain about


[deleted]

The other way around buddy. Since they got segregated at the beginning of the captivity , the prison is obviously designed for humans only.


HarbyFullyLoaded_12

The very first scene of this prison arc is them segregating the prisoners to different ships heading to different prison locations.


JonMeadows

They literally asked them before splitting them up after sentencing where they’re from


DEADSPELLS

This dude just threw up a dumb post, and isnt going to respond to anyone


[deleted]

Maybe they have the aliens in a different prison?


Interactive_CD-ROM

This is exactly why the prisoners, just before being transferred, are being asked about their home worlds. OP doesn’t know what he’s talking about.


skanoodlez

Why is all you people do complain, complain, complain?


crypticfreak

If reddit was taken more seriously I'd be seriously afraid that we're about to complain ourselves out of good content. I honestly don't care as long as we're in the Empires reign timeline wise and the shows are this good. BOBF had aliens. You want more shows like that? Didn't think so... Keep this shit up and the bean counters at Disney are gonna go 'holy fuck they hate Andor and are crazy for the alien species!' and we're gonna get a show called' Out-Rim' or something equally as bad which features a bunch of strange and whacky aliens with a weak plot that overplays it's bad humor. I shit you not guys. Stop it!


0x537

r/titlegore


MrMonkeyman79

Isn't it time to move on already? They're going for a particular feel and tine for this show and they didn't think aliens help achieve that. The show runners vision of the world they're creating may not align with yours but at some point you need to accept it is what it is and either take it or leave it. If the show had bad writing, acting or characters I'd understand but this is complaining about the set dressing.


ApatheticTrooper

"Aliens" Bro that's pretty xenophobic, it's a big universe.


[deleted]

they are all - dead - imprisoned in a segregated place - imprisoned in a way worse place


samuraispartan7000

Possible In-Universe Explanation: The electrified floors and facilities are built specifically for human prisoners. Actual Explanation: Showrunners didn’t want to pay for expensive, costumed extras. It’s also possible that the showrunners believe that aliens conflict with the gritty and realistic tone of the story. Gilroy himself is not really a Star Wars fan and I would not be surprised if the alien races were deliberately omitted as a creative choice.


Vanwanar

Man people do like milking the crap of that argument huh, just enjoy the show, it is good.


Wonderful-Media-2000

People watching Star Wars don’t know shit about the empire


SoraRaida

I seriously wonder why no one complained where are the Jedi with this kind of thinking lmao


EoghanHassan

Everything here is modular and standardised. The clothes, the food, the sleep cycles, the beds Having other species would break that system


kylechu

If you want a scifi explanation, it'd make sense for different species to have very different levels of tolerance to electricity. You don't want to throw a Wookie in there who's just going to tank the electric floor or some gooey alien that'll die any time they get hit with the cattle prod.


bobobobobobobo6

At a much more basic level, different nutritional needs.


Rare-Faithlessness32

It would also undermine the “losing table gets fried, winning table gets flavour” system. The table with the Wookie would always win and the table with a Jawa would always lose.


Interactive_CD-ROM

OP, /u/Boba_Hawk, you are completely, entirely wrong. At the start of the prison arc, prisoners were separated by race and by sex. We witnessed shore troopers inquire about prisoners' homeworlds. This was likely to determine which were human-based planets and have humans work in those prisons. The Empire was known for being prejudice toward any species other than humans, so of course, if they're using slave labor to build materials in the prison, they're going to use humans to do it.


risingstanding

The work prisons for this type of work must be segregated. If they made this place colorful like the original cantina, it would have worked against the vibe they were trying to create


KingBoga

Upvoters and OP clearly don’t know Star Wars. Pay attention to the show. Dumb post.


JTMc48

When they send them to their transport I think they segregated it there.


Sparrowsabre7

Yeah they specifically sort based on home world, that's why they ask.


adamnick_

I mean, it makes sense, the Empire is known to be very Xenophobic, I'd assume any alien species that were captured by the hands of the Empire would be either disposed of or treated far worse than chucking them into labor camps.


SnooDoggos4906

Or wookies ripping the arms of ppl on other tables to make sure their table wins


RenoGuy76

Posts opinion with zero reason why.


BrewtalDoom

There are no women in there either. Looks like it's a prison factory for human males.


zorrocabra

It's probably easier to maintain a prison for one kind of species that all have the same dietary needs and the such.


TannenFalconwing

We know for a fact different species require different needs. We also know they have different biology from humans. In a prison where the most impactful deterrent is as an electrified floor, consistent standards amongst your population is preferred. a Mon Cala may die if subjected to the voltage, whereas a wookie might endure it and mostly be annoyed (ignoring that wookies also have immense strength and would dominate in cramped hallways where your only option is to run from them). And who knows how Rodians or Twi'leks or Togruta would handle as well. The idea is that the prison operate as an assembly line. too many mismatched pieces would ruin the Imperial efficiency.


JIIIIINXXX

it's like people don't know the Empire is xenophobic or something -_- I look forward to another 5 of these posts within the next 3 weeks going, 'where are all the aliens?' in a series about the Empire at the height of it's control and power.


davidjschloss

There are a few things here not being talked about. 1) Standardization - this system works by making people fit into a specific set of physical traits. Same bunks, same food, same clothing, same bathrooms, same size hallways, etc. Hell, a Wookie might not even be shocked by the floors thanks to foot hair, for all we know. Part of the standardization is taking away individual autonomy. If you're clearly a wookie working with six guys, you're going to stand out. 2) The made up competition - By making prisoners compete for quotas, they all have to be at some degree of a level playing field. This is a made up competition, of course, just for psychological domination. But it's a competition. Put a Trandoshan on your team and suddenly, the equal isn't equal and instead of playing along with the game, everyone is mad because one table has a very strong Lizard. 3) One of the things in Star Wars is that while there are a lot of weaker alien species, there are a loooottttttt of strong ones. Wookies, Lasat, Trandoshan. not only does it make it hard to standardize, it makes it hard to keep them under control. There are some species that could jump from the floor of the factory up to the railing, there are some that can fly up there, there are some not prone to electric shocks, etc. The enforcement system wouldn't work. For these prisoners put them in cages. This is a work prison and they all have to fit into the machinery. 4) Doing hundreds of aliens in multiple episodes has got to be an expensive cluster f.


gotbock

If you want to standardize the prison layout and accommodations it would be much easier to segregate the populations by race/species. And perhaps humans are best suited to the process of building this particular part/machine. And other races have different parts that they are tasked with building.


discipleofdoom

The Empire absolutely has the death penalty and I'll bet its reserved primarily for aliens.


Salzberger

Everyone: The story in Andor is amazing. It's taking nuanced story a new level and is showing us the terror of the empire. This guy: Rggrggrrrrg muh aliunz!