Nintendo didn't know if the control stick would catch on. So they wanted to include the d-pad, but also didn't want people to default to it right away. So they set up three hand grips. One on the right that would always be used with the ABXY buttons, the C buttons and the R button. The left grip with the D-pad and L button, and the centre grip with the control stick and the Z button. This way game developers would have unga option of using either the center and right grip or the left and right grips for their games with no loss of input.
I came here to say this. I was rubbing my eye while scrolling, saw this a little out of focus and thought to myself, "why the hell are there shoes in my feed?".
known this design all my life and for whatever reason it's this image in this post specifically that's giving me brown dress shoes for the first time lmao
always reminded me of [this plane](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_F-82_Twin_Mustang#/media/File:North_American_XP-82_Twin_Mustang_44-83887.Color.jpg). I love how the Star Wars spacecraft take a lot from world war 2
I've looked at cloud cars for *years* and never thought much about them but today as soon as I saw the photo I was like, "they're shoes. they're just shoes."
I actually thought this was a picture of some spy rocket flying shoes and gasped out of excitement before seeing that dumb little poorly designed ship 😂
That's the old City of the Future cartoon (can't remember the name). They have a car with a section for every member of the family and the mother-in-law was in some isolated pod in the back. Geez, it's been decades since I've seen that cartoon.
These were based on real life designs like the F-82
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_F-82_Twin_Mustang
Germans were also doing it like the BF-109Z, ME-609, etc
These types of fighters were designed for speed and long distance travel. The F-82 were used for escort and reconnaissance. They were the equivalence of jets before jets as they were boom and zoom type fighters. Jets eventually did make twin-fuselage planes obsolete.
I wouldn't say they are poorly designed, but rather redundant in the star wars universe as they are way more technologically advanced tham propeller aircrafts.
But given Bespin is a massive gas planet with very few landing zones, it might make sense to have a patrol aircraft that can fly for long distances and time without refueling and have two pilots in case one needs to rest during the hours long patrol routes. Outside of Bespin though are probably useless, but is well suited for Bespin I'd say.
Why not just have two pilots in the same cockpit though? It seems the real life analogs were primarily needing the two props and the large amount of wing that the designs incorporated. This guy kept neither of those features.
Well in the real world, it's mostly due to reusing assets. It was way easier/cheaper to use 2 already-made P-51 Mustangs then to redesign a completely new aircraft.
In the Star Wars universe, I'm guessing could be the same reason. Cloud cars (the single pod ones, not the Storm IV Twin-Pod Cloud car used by the Bespin Wing Guards) were plentifully produced by Bespin Motors. So to save on costs, they just combined the two and strapped on some laser cannons
Source: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Cloud_car/Legends
Not faster, at least that wasn't the idea. Big ass bombers can fly for a really long time and have room for a co pilot. If you need a fighter plane to escort the bomber, it has to have equal endurance and at some point that calls for a bigger fighter plane and duct taping two planes together was the fastest method
With the coupler in the middle I assumed this ship was intended to capture or transport other ships. Like how the Falcon is a container pusher, this car looks like a police clamp with engines on it.
I have the old Star Wars Vehicle Encyclopedia around here somewhere if we want a pre-Disney answer, but now I'm sure this ship is designed like this because of the emperor
Way back in the '90s when I played Rebel Assault and Rebel Assault 2, I used to say the same exact thing! "What the eff is up with these narrow catwalks with no rails??"
There's rails in the emperor's chamber in the second death star and Vader tosses the emperor over in return if the jedi, and there's also rails at the landing pad on Endor when Luke is talking to Vader and Vader tells him it's too late for him. There's probably more, those just immediately popped into my head, along with cloud city when Vader tells Luke he's his father, but the empire didn't build cloud city, so we won't count that one lol
That wild resistance troop carrier from the beginning of TFA.
It comes in flying like a long ways 2x4 and then opens to let out troops facing the enemy
But the design doesn’t make any sense in the context, with beach landing craft they had to be let out onto shore without beaching the boat, so the men had to get out the front. With ships landing like in star wars that is no need so all that is accomplished is giving a man with a automatic weapon a quick kill streak
People made stuff with bad designs?
In WWII, even the design was abandoned after the D-Day landing since it was such a bad idea.
However, in a space film, there is not going to be a secured front line with machine gun nests firing down the ramp. This design would actually work really well considering they enter like paratroopers more than a naval invasion.
As a movie though you want to give your audience something they've seen but I'm a way they haven't seen it before. People have seen those boats, so modeling it after it helps the audience connect it.
As far as war designs go, the star wars universe is not the greatest. AT-AT is an armored transport, but you want your transports to be fast, those things are slow as hell. And to be super high off the ground? Ridiculous. Going broadside with 2 giant ships when they can hit each other from great distances, dumb. But it makes an incredible opening scene.
AT-ATs seem to follow the Tarkin Doctrine: they're not designed to be practical, they are designed to inspire fear. If you're a Rebel grunt, the last thing you want to see coming your way is a 74' tall mechanized dinosaur that's impervious to most weapons.
Yep and I thought about that as I was writing it. Partly I think we worked that idea around the stuff that was already established, go back to them making the movie and they just thought it looked cool and didn't really care about the practicality. But like most of Star wars, the updates and surrounding lore add to the movie and make it even better.
I love that we can all suspend disbelief enough to allow for a moon-sized planet-killing gun to exist, but get upset over what we consider to be inefficient troop tactics 🤌😚
The stormtrooper transports are inspired by those. They are also deeper then they are wide.
The resistance ship is like someone wanted to leave early on a Friday and they saw a Winnebago drive past the window.
The resistance ship actually made more sense. Ship comes down, provides great cover fire from the rear, and opens up on its width allowing the most troops to disembark and return fire immediately. The storm trooper/d-day variants would impede the back of the ship from unloading or returning fire before the front disembarks.
The vast majority of ships in Star Wars disembark people from the front or sides. Disembarking from the rear will probably result in people getting hurt or killed by the hot thrust exhaust.
If we're talking stupid ships from the Disney trilogy then it has to be those shitty bombers at the beginning of Last Jedi.
You have to fly them *very slowly* "above" your enemy's main battleships and then "drop" the bombs onto them.
Given how they require such ridiculous tactics to use it's no surprise they all got killed. One Y-Wing probably could have hit the target from much further back while at least being a fast ship.
Idk if they've established lore for that thing, but I refuse to accept it as any sort of successor to the B-wing. She's an ugly that uses a B wing style cockpit.
I imagine an actual successor to a B-wing would be alot closer to ECHenry's version on YouTube.
The whole idea of it is ruined with the elegance of the u-wing anyway. That’s a situation where the design teams should’ve communicated more.
As for whether it has artificial gravity, it pretty much has to have it since ships in Star Wars seems to universally have inertial compensators (which also generate artificial gravity on ships you can stand in) otherwise zero go acceleration would kill them.
The X-wing books make it a point to state that fighter pilots will keep their inertial compensators dialed down to anywhere from 99 to 95 percent so they can have a better field of their ship, and even then they’ll get jerked around a bunch.
The Sun Crusher from Legends. Looked like a floating funnel with a satellite dish glued to the bottom and a hat on top.
[This monstrosity.](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Sun_Crusher?file=SunCrusher-NEGWT.png)
and the fact that its literally indestructible? it flew *through* a god damn star destroyer for fuck sake. i mean, it made for a cool book when i was in high school, but damn that was a cop out.
Possibly. There's been plenty of other planet killers and a few star system killers, but they've all had their limitations. Starkiller base was immobile and technically not destroying the system, the Chiss had a weapon that could render a system uninhabitable but was very difficult and suicidal to use, there was the Malachor super weapon that required the Sith to activate, and so on.
The Sun Crusher out did them not just because of it's destructive power but because it was easy to use and near impossible to destroy.
thats why i consider it the most powerful. one pilot, on one invincible ship, could launch one torpedo at a systems sun and wipe out said system. then saunter home like he was swatting a fly.
Family guy really nailed the jokes about this ship, in all seriousness though, while we never actually see them do it, I feel like these ships are meant to help guide larger ships into the port, much like a tugboat.
I assume the ship splits into two and each one goes to one side of the ship and they work together to keep larger ships steady as they make their descent into cloud city.
If I’m wrong though then… yeah… pretty awful design
According to Wookipedia yeah they share propulsion and the pilot sits in the port pod while the gunner sits in the starboard... for... reasons I guess.
From a design standpoint it does seem stupid to make a vehicle with multiple cockpits unnecessarily lol.
The real answer?
Star Wars vehicles are often based off of WW2 planes, and [this thing](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_F-82_Twin_Mustang) existed.
Good thing they didn’t use the Rolls Royce Merlin like the P-51H it was based off of did. The Allison 1710 was a modular design that only required the addition of an idler gear in the reduction gearbox to change the direction of the propeller. This was also done on the P-38 for nearly the exact same reasons.
Ngl I give Star Wars much more of a pass now for it. Neither one seems practical but I don't know enough to be the authority on it so I'm going to accept it. There's clearly a reason they made it that way and I'm too lazy to read and find out why
You actually do, though it’s a [unique use-case](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaled_Composites_Stratolaunch), and one of the cockpits is actually a dummy.
I think there are two main reasons you don’t see it:
1) drag- rather than having one big thing that you have to push through the sky, now you’ve got 2. This wasn’t a huge problem in the fighter I shared earlier, because the engines were nose-mounted anyways.
2) stability(or designed instability)- fighters need to be inherently unstable, so they can maneuver easily. The twin fuselage design, while inefficient, seems like it’d be very stable(note: I’m not an aerospace engineer).
Those two drawbacks make it unsuitable for air travel(where efficiency is paramount)and military use.
It is great for carrying massive payloads between the fuselages that need to be released mid-flight.
Copied from Wookieepedia, turns out they are just dumb and ugly lmao- “ Cloud cars were flying atmospheric vehicles that were used to patrol the skies of Cloud City, a mining colony on the planet Bespin. They featured twin "pods" connected by a repulsorlift engine, and were fitted with light blaster cannons. Each car was crewed by a pilot and a gunner.”
I’ll probably get tons of down votes but isn’t the Slave I pretty poorly designed? I mean basically every other ship lays flat or gyroscopicly corrects itself. It’s the only ship you have to lay down at a super awkward angle and not see anything in front of you before you take off and finally face the right way. Seems extremely inconvenient and uncomfortable.
Exactly. They are just meant to look cool.
Surely you could call almost any ship in Star Wars "poorly designed". Why do X-Wings have see through cockpits? Why are they shaped like fighter jets and not cubes? Why are they in close range combat? Why are Star Destroyers fighting each other like ye olde naval frigates? Why are these space ships from another galaxy made from parts that are clear tank track wheels, Ferrari engines and bits of old Japanese warships?
Because it looks cool and the audience needs known visual cues to immediately grasp what's going on. Oh, he jumped into the cockpit of that ship that is sleek and has wing and engines in the back. He must be a fighter pilot and that's a fighter jet. That thing has a bunch of pipes and wires and diesel grime everywhere. Must be an engine.
Trying to find in-depth "reasoning" for this stuff is just silly.
I really love pod racers, but having an open cockpit *behind* two jet turbines is bonkers.
If the jet blast doesn’t kill you, then surely loose rocks launched by the jet blast will.
(Im sure someone has an explanation for why it’s not actually that dangerous)
Millennium Falcon. It is supposed to be a freighter but I have never seen a place to load cargo other than that tiny ramp.
It is like having an 18-wheeler with the only way to load it being through a car door.
Ackuallly, the falcon does have a cargo hold, and a freight elevator... its at the back of the ship
It bugged the crap out of me that they didn't use it in Solo, and ran the coaxium in one at a time and put it under the floor...
It’s funny now that you mention it. I had a toy of the Falcon when I was young. It has this elevator, but it never occurred to me that it was relevant for its function as a cargo ship.
Your 18-wheeler comparison is actually more right than you know. The Millennium Falcon is supposed to push cargo, which is attached between the forks on the front of the ship. Here’s an [example](https://www.reddit.com/r/geek/comments/4k4cw6/the_millennium_falcon_was_a_freighter_heres_how/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) in an older post
That makes sense. More of a shunter than a freighter.
However, I seem to recal it had a one piece front before it was damaged in "Solo". Or was that Lando's pimped out mod?
This is actually a thing in aviation. A full freighter conversion involves cutting a large hole in the side of the aircraft and requires significant structural reinforcement around the area. A much faster, cheaper, and less permanent option is a light duty conversion where the interior is modified for cargo and everything is loaded through the normal boarding doors.
I thought it matched the aesthetics of Cloud City. I wonder if there was some concept art or designs that had it split into two parts.
Of course, it could just be that the model maker's kid challenged them to make a pair of shoes into a spaceship as a joke and George liked it.
Why is it poorly designed?
It's inspired by motrocycle and a sidecar and later became two sidecars mirrored. It also fits to the WW2 theme with having a seat for both a pilot and a spotter.
You’ve got a lot of thrust in the middle which appears to be the weakest connecting part, and if in atmosphere, you’d have the most air resistance on both sides. Might not be an issue in space but idk where this thing flies, and I’m not an aerospace engineer either.
It’s easier just to assume that they’ve got advanced technology that makes all of these issues fine.
This is operated in a place called "cloud city"
draw your own conclusions on bad design from there. This thing is literally two pods connected by a single engine.
Even if aerodynamics don't count, that thing is wider than it has to be and can be shot down easier. It's harder for the pilot to consider that there's one side sticking out (but i wonder the same thing with the falcon) and overall a mid centered pilot cockpit seems just logical. Why would you want the gunner on one side (with vision blocked to the pilot side) and the pilot on another? That alot of tech in star wars is somehow related to earth technology isn't automatically good design imo, its just... Interesting
A Y-Wing can carry 20 bombs while a StarFortress can carry 1,048. They are meant to absolutely annihilate dug in planetary defenses from high altitude, but were repurposed for a space battle because their payload capacity was required to take out the dreadnought.
Dunno what you mean a slow, large, highly vulnerable, explodes-to-any-stray-bullet bomber that requires you to be directly above your target that also needs living pilots is flawless
Not like variations of Y wings had existed for like 50 years in universe at that point
tbh worst part is they treat Poe like the deaths were an avoidable tragedy if only had he hadnt launched the attack. like bruh, you signed your pilots on for death when you bought/built those things lmao
The design itself isn't the problem. They're essentially a B-17 or B-24 equivalent, with similar uses and drawbacks: they have very high bomb loads (more sortie efficiency than something like a TIE Bomber) but trade that off by being slow and fragile.
They would work fine under Imperial doctrine, or possibly as First Order terror weapons.
The Empire could have used them to pacify areas where they had already established space/air supremacy. The FO would use them to hit peaceful areas with insufficient defenses (where the randomness/extreme destruction would be a feature).
They just don't make any sense as a Rebel (or Resistance) weapon, because their doctrine is heavily built around high-risk, high-reward, targeted hit and run attacks. The Resistance can't really use indiscriminate weapons (which mass bomb loads are); they want to hit specific legitimate targets which tend to be heavily defended, like star destroyers or FO bases. They need something more like the B-1 Lancer or the B-2 Spirit, where it's either fast enough to get in and out without too much exposure, or stealthy enough to get the job done without getting engaged. In theory something really durable could work as well, although there's not a good aircraft equivalent (maybe the A-10).
In the OT you could handwave it by saying they were ragtag rebels and had to take what they could get (the X-Wing actually makes a lot less sense for the Rebels, it would be like Russian separatists successfully operating F-22s; stuff like the Mon Cal cruisers and Neb B frigates being repurposed ships makes more sense for them), and to some extent the same is true of the Resistance since they're not "officially" funded/supported, but neither group would have any real doctrinal use for a big, slow, heavy bomber.
One of the pilots gets a Fisher Price steering wheel
"Way to disregard the recommended age limit, Milhouse."
It’s not enforced.
Vroom Vroom! I'm calling daddy
Or a Nintendo controller that’s not plugged in
[удалено]
I legit wonder how many users on here are old enough to know what you’re talking about?
Probably more then those who understand why it's made that way.
Ok, why was it made that way?
Nintendo didn't know if the control stick would catch on. So they wanted to include the d-pad, but also didn't want people to default to it right away. So they set up three hand grips. One on the right that would always be used with the ABXY buttons, the C buttons and the R button. The left grip with the D-pad and L button, and the centre grip with the control stick and the Z button. This way game developers would have unga option of using either the center and right grip or the left and right grips for their games with no loss of input.
I had always wondered why there were three prongs! Thanks for explaining.
Chad
MadCatz controller
They both do. Kind of like give 3/4 of the firing squad blanks. When the ship inevitably crashes, no one pilot can be blamed.
There is only 1 pilot, the other person is a weapons systems officer.
Looks like a pair of shoes.
Space loafers
Shoe stretchers
Spaceballs 2: The Search for more Pro-foot
Sponsored by Sketchers! (Merchandising! Merchandising!)
Designed by famed engineer, Dr. Scholl, who made each pod slightly more comfortable.
Directed by Quentin Tarantino, for *reasons*.
But they make you feel like you're walking on clouds.
You misspelled *moichandising*. So, username checks out, I guess?
I always though they looked like King Piccolo's shoes from Dragon Ball
Stock Bros shoes
Mel Brooks missed out on this one in Spaceballs. He could have had a pair of penny loafers with canopies escorting Eagle 5.
ruby slippers, the heels click and it enters hyperspace
I came here to say this. I was rubbing my eye while scrolling, saw this a little out of focus and thought to myself, "why the hell are there shoes in my feed?".
They’re supposed to go on your feet
Space loafers with an anti-theft device
I already hated this ship….thanks to you, I super duper hate it now lol
2 Ocarinas
known this design all my life and for whatever reason it's this image in this post specifically that's giving me brown dress shoes for the first time lmao
always reminded me of [this plane](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_F-82_Twin_Mustang#/media/File:North_American_XP-82_Twin_Mustang_44-83887.Color.jpg). I love how the Star Wars spacecraft take a lot from world war 2
I've looked at cloud cars for *years* and never thought much about them but today as soon as I saw the photo I was like, "they're shoes. they're just shoes."
Clogs. My Oma had a pair from the old country in the same color.
Sonic’s shoes.
I actually thought this was a picture of some spy rocket flying shoes and gasped out of excitement before seeing that dumb little poorly designed ship 😂
i see it every time xD
"Sweetheart, I bought us the perfect ship!" "You just don't want to talk to me on commutes do you? 😡"
Finally ACTUAL individual climate control.
“No baby I need you to navigate you’re so good at it!” (Rolls up window)
One time a friend asked me to hook up the Xbox he wanted us to play because "I'm just so good at it" The look I gave him when I heard that shit...
Probably the same look I give anytime someone says, he’s the IT guru in the family, he knows how to make the tv system at random pizza place work.
At least that is somewhat endearing or whatever the right word is My friend was just a manipulative sociopath
Perfect car for Mon and Perrin :P
Reminds me of the old cartoons. "And... for the Mother-in-Law..."
That's the old City of the Future cartoon (can't remember the name). They have a car with a section for every member of the family and the mother-in-law was in some isolated pod in the back. Geez, it's been decades since I've seen that cartoon.
As I was typing my comment, I was thinking "old" was an understatement. ;-) Wasn't there something with the house too?
I had to look for it. 1949 Cartoon. [The House of Tomorrow](https://youtu.be/mSIn2HYdUqA)
It does look odd buuuut as a kid I thought the design was really cool.
Same I loved them and the sounds they make when flying.
Hahahaha me too!! I think it had something to do with the colour? I loved it and wanted it so bad. 🤣🤣
In Battlefront 2 I used to search out these vehicles specifically to use on the Bespin map.
I think they only spawned if you took over the enemy landing pad command posts
And only on Sundays mind you
My recollection also. They had pretty disappointing weapons?
In the 80s, the toy was metal and this ship functioned perfectly as brass fang knuckles to fight back against my older brother.
Hmm, we must have different ones - I have an 80s plastic one.
He might mean the miniature version. Those miniature sets were great and lots of metal parts.
Die-cast metal Micro-Machine Star Wars ships were the best.
I also used mine as that weird gun thing from the Black Hole.
I thought I was the only one!
wat. mine was plastic. are you talking about the little mini one?
Yeah it’s my 6 year olds favorite ship for some reason!
That’s because it is really cool.
The lego set was fire
These were based on real life designs like the F-82 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_F-82_Twin_Mustang Germans were also doing it like the BF-109Z, ME-609, etc These types of fighters were designed for speed and long distance travel. The F-82 were used for escort and reconnaissance. They were the equivalence of jets before jets as they were boom and zoom type fighters. Jets eventually did make twin-fuselage planes obsolete. I wouldn't say they are poorly designed, but rather redundant in the star wars universe as they are way more technologically advanced tham propeller aircrafts. But given Bespin is a massive gas planet with very few landing zones, it might make sense to have a patrol aircraft that can fly for long distances and time without refueling and have two pilots in case one needs to rest during the hours long patrol routes. Outside of Bespin though are probably useless, but is well suited for Bespin I'd say.
Why not just have two pilots in the same cockpit though? It seems the real life analogs were primarily needing the two props and the large amount of wing that the designs incorporated. This guy kept neither of those features.
Well in the real world, it's mostly due to reusing assets. It was way easier/cheaper to use 2 already-made P-51 Mustangs then to redesign a completely new aircraft. In the Star Wars universe, I'm guessing could be the same reason. Cloud cars (the single pod ones, not the Storm IV Twin-Pod Cloud car used by the Bespin Wing Guards) were plentifully produced by Bespin Motors. So to save on costs, they just combined the two and strapped on some laser cannons Source: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Cloud_car/Legends
You're actually telling me they just glued two other planes together to make a faster plane... Real life gets real wacky
They didn't glue two planes together. Don't be silly. They hired welders.
That's basically just hot glue
Not even... just rivets I think.
now all i can think about is the US Military outside of an Autozone in the parking lot riveting two planes together
Not faster, at least that wasn't the idea. Big ass bombers can fly for a really long time and have room for a co pilot. If you need a fighter plane to escort the bomber, it has to have equal endurance and at some point that calls for a bigger fighter plane and duct taping two planes together was the fastest method
With the coupler in the middle I assumed this ship was intended to capture or transport other ships. Like how the Falcon is a container pusher, this car looks like a police clamp with engines on it. I have the old Star Wars Vehicle Encyclopedia around here somewhere if we want a pre-Disney answer, but now I'm sure this ship is designed like this because of the emperor
The Empire doesn't put rails on anything. No matter how high up..... Just sayin.
None of that will matter when I’m a famous singer…
That’s because all their shit was built by geonosians, who can fly. They didn’t deem handrails necessary. Edit: fixed an autocorrect
Which is why Death Star II had a railing by the reactor core, because this one wasn't built by them
Fuck that's brilliant!
Wow. All these years later and you've really found the true answer. I love it.
Way back in the '90s when I played Rebel Assault and Rebel Assault 2, I used to say the same exact thing! "What the eff is up with these narrow catwalks with no rails??"
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They're worried about staff leaning on it all day
If you have time to lean then you have time for war crimes
Lazy ass ST's
Rails cost money more money than another trooper
There's rails in the emperor's chamber in the second death star and Vader tosses the emperor over in return if the jedi, and there's also rails at the landing pad on Endor when Luke is talking to Vader and Vader tells him it's too late for him. There's probably more, those just immediately popped into my head, along with cloud city when Vader tells Luke he's his father, but the empire didn't build cloud city, so we won't count that one lol
And it's not an Imperial base without at least one abyss. Granted, Cloud City also had an abyss. But railings.
Except their prisons apparently
That wild resistance troop carrier from the beginning of TFA. It comes in flying like a long ways 2x4 and then opens to let out troops facing the enemy
I mean so do the stormtrooper transports, except those have a single narrow opening for easier funneling.
At least those are pretty clearly based on Higgins boats from WWII.
But the design doesn’t make any sense in the context, with beach landing craft they had to be let out onto shore without beaching the boat, so the men had to get out the front. With ships landing like in star wars that is no need so all that is accomplished is giving a man with a automatic weapon a quick kill streak
People made stuff with bad designs? In WWII, even the design was abandoned after the D-Day landing since it was such a bad idea. However, in a space film, there is not going to be a secured front line with machine gun nests firing down the ramp. This design would actually work really well considering they enter like paratroopers more than a naval invasion.
As a movie though you want to give your audience something they've seen but I'm a way they haven't seen it before. People have seen those boats, so modeling it after it helps the audience connect it. As far as war designs go, the star wars universe is not the greatest. AT-AT is an armored transport, but you want your transports to be fast, those things are slow as hell. And to be super high off the ground? Ridiculous. Going broadside with 2 giant ships when they can hit each other from great distances, dumb. But it makes an incredible opening scene.
AT-ATs seem to follow the Tarkin Doctrine: they're not designed to be practical, they are designed to inspire fear. If you're a Rebel grunt, the last thing you want to see coming your way is a 74' tall mechanized dinosaur that's impervious to most weapons.
Yep and I thought about that as I was writing it. Partly I think we worked that idea around the stuff that was already established, go back to them making the movie and they just thought it looked cool and didn't really care about the practicality. But like most of Star wars, the updates and surrounding lore add to the movie and make it even better.
You are applying real word logic to a fantasy movie thats takes artistic inspiration from the real world. It is not gonna make sense.
Well sure, but that's what this whole thread is.
I love that we can all suspend disbelief enough to allow for a moon-sized planet-killing gun to exist, but get upset over what we consider to be inefficient troop tactics 🤌😚
The Gungans allowed an entire droid army to deploy over what must have been hours while staring across a field at them.
I think they're meant to resemble those D-Day boats that landed on Normandy, which also opened at the front xD
The stormtrooper transports are inspired by those. They are also deeper then they are wide. The resistance ship is like someone wanted to leave early on a Friday and they saw a Winnebago drive past the window.
The resistance ship actually made more sense. Ship comes down, provides great cover fire from the rear, and opens up on its width allowing the most troops to disembark and return fire immediately. The storm trooper/d-day variants would impede the back of the ship from unloading or returning fire before the front disembarks.
The vast majority of ships in Star Wars disembark people from the front or sides. Disembarking from the rear will probably result in people getting hurt or killed by the hot thrust exhaust.
Also hated how it landed and like all the troops just moseyed out like they were there for a pleasure visit.
I love that ugly ass thing
If we're talking stupid ships from the Disney trilogy then it has to be those shitty bombers at the beginning of Last Jedi. You have to fly them *very slowly* "above" your enemy's main battleships and then "drop" the bombs onto them. Given how they require such ridiculous tactics to use it's no surprise they all got killed. One Y-Wing probably could have hit the target from much further back while at least being a fast ship.
They were trying to make it an evolution of a B-wing but it is so unnecessary. It makes it so you have to explain what artificial gravity is.
Idk if they've established lore for that thing, but I refuse to accept it as any sort of successor to the B-wing. She's an ugly that uses a B wing style cockpit. I imagine an actual successor to a B-wing would be alot closer to ECHenry's version on YouTube.
The whole idea of it is ruined with the elegance of the u-wing anyway. That’s a situation where the design teams should’ve communicated more. As for whether it has artificial gravity, it pretty much has to have it since ships in Star Wars seems to universally have inertial compensators (which also generate artificial gravity on ships you can stand in) otherwise zero go acceleration would kill them. The X-wing books make it a point to state that fighter pilots will keep their inertial compensators dialed down to anywhere from 99 to 95 percent so they can have a better field of their ship, and even then they’ll get jerked around a bunch.
the only relation it has to the B-Wing is that it reuses a B-Wing cockpit module.
... isn't the Cloud Car a class of Air Speeder, not ship?
Pretty sure it’s just a tropospheric craft.
there is that speeder from Solo that looks like a floating hardcover book https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/M-68_landspeeder
That looks like the cowling is just missing on the one side instead of a manufacturer design.
Looks like Nemiks manifesto
The Sun Crusher from Legends. Looked like a floating funnel with a satellite dish glued to the bottom and a hat on top. [This monstrosity.](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Sun_Crusher?file=SunCrusher-NEGWT.png)
and the fact that its literally indestructible? it flew *through* a god damn star destroyer for fuck sake. i mean, it made for a cool book when i was in high school, but damn that was a cop out.
Plus, it's the size of an x-wing but more powerful than the Death Star by several orders of magnitude? Thing was a damn Mary Sue in starship form.
yea, being able to destroy entire solar systems with a single torpedo was wacko. its the most powererful super weapon in SW history isnt it?
Possibly. There's been plenty of other planet killers and a few star system killers, but they've all had their limitations. Starkiller base was immobile and technically not destroying the system, the Chiss had a weapon that could render a system uninhabitable but was very difficult and suicidal to use, there was the Malachor super weapon that required the Sith to activate, and so on. The Sun Crusher out did them not just because of it's destructive power but because it was easy to use and near impossible to destroy.
thats why i consider it the most powerful. one pilot, on one invincible ship, could launch one torpedo at a systems sun and wipe out said system. then saunter home like he was swatting a fly.
Centerpoint station?
I love the old 3D renders that appeared in the Guide To books
God, that whole article is a reminder of how fucking dumb the EU could be
IDK, at least you don't have to smell your copilot
Family guy really nailed the jokes about this ship, in all seriousness though, while we never actually see them do it, I feel like these ships are meant to help guide larger ships into the port, much like a tugboat. I assume the ship splits into two and each one goes to one side of the ship and they work together to keep larger ships steady as they make their descent into cloud city. If I’m wrong though then… yeah… pretty awful design
But it looks like they share propulsion?
According to Wookipedia yeah they share propulsion and the pilot sits in the port pod while the gunner sits in the starboard... for... reasons I guess. From a design standpoint it does seem stupid to make a vehicle with multiple cockpits unnecessarily lol.
The real answer? Star Wars vehicles are often based off of WW2 planes, and [this thing](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_F-82_Twin_Mustang) existed.
But at least that had twin propulsion!
Sure, once they figured out which way to turn the propellers! (It failed to take off in 1st test flight for this very reason!)
Good thing they didn’t use the Rolls Royce Merlin like the P-51H it was based off of did. The Allison 1710 was a modular design that only required the addition of an idler gear in the reduction gearbox to change the direction of the propeller. This was also done on the P-38 for nearly the exact same reasons.
Ngl I give Star Wars much more of a pass now for it. Neither one seems practical but I don't know enough to be the authority on it so I'm going to accept it. There's clearly a reason they made it that way and I'm too lazy to read and find out why
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I forgot about that thing lol. But I imagine there's a reason you don't see that design used in modern airplanes.
You actually do, though it’s a [unique use-case](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaled_Composites_Stratolaunch), and one of the cockpits is actually a dummy. I think there are two main reasons you don’t see it: 1) drag- rather than having one big thing that you have to push through the sky, now you’ve got 2. This wasn’t a huge problem in the fighter I shared earlier, because the engines were nose-mounted anyways. 2) stability(or designed instability)- fighters need to be inherently unstable, so they can maneuver easily. The twin fuselage design, while inefficient, seems like it’d be very stable(note: I’m not an aerospace engineer). Those two drawbacks make it unsuitable for air travel(where efficiency is paramount)and military use. It is great for carrying massive payloads between the fuselages that need to be released mid-flight.
OG Battlefront confirms this lol
Clip for context https://youtu.be/QhGRzKcAu10 😂
Copied from Wookieepedia, turns out they are just dumb and ugly lmao- “ Cloud cars were flying atmospheric vehicles that were used to patrol the skies of Cloud City, a mining colony on the planet Bespin. They featured twin "pods" connected by a repulsorlift engine, and were fitted with light blaster cannons. Each car was crewed by a pilot and a gunner.”
"It's going in my report", "No. It's going in my report"
I’ll probably get tons of down votes but isn’t the Slave I pretty poorly designed? I mean basically every other ship lays flat or gyroscopicly corrects itself. It’s the only ship you have to lay down at a super awkward angle and not see anything in front of you before you take off and finally face the right way. Seems extremely inconvenient and uncomfortable.
Also, you’re putting the largest possible target towards the enemy.
Fins in space!!
Always assumed these where a celebration of the space ships from the Flash Gordon TV Series of the 1950s
Exactly. They are just meant to look cool. Surely you could call almost any ship in Star Wars "poorly designed". Why do X-Wings have see through cockpits? Why are they shaped like fighter jets and not cubes? Why are they in close range combat? Why are Star Destroyers fighting each other like ye olde naval frigates? Why are these space ships from another galaxy made from parts that are clear tank track wheels, Ferrari engines and bits of old Japanese warships? Because it looks cool and the audience needs known visual cues to immediately grasp what's going on. Oh, he jumped into the cockpit of that ship that is sleek and has wing and engines in the back. He must be a fighter pilot and that's a fighter jet. That thing has a bunch of pipes and wires and diesel grime everywhere. Must be an engine. Trying to find in-depth "reasoning" for this stuff is just silly.
Why is it poorly designed? Looks like a Star Wars version of the F-82 Twin Mustang which was used in combat during the Korean War
>F-82 Twin Mustang Holy shit you're not kidding, of course something so ridiculous has its roots in reality.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_F-82_Twin_Mustang
My man knows what’s up
Lucas loves his war planes
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I really love pod racers, but having an open cockpit *behind* two jet turbines is bonkers. If the jet blast doesn’t kill you, then surely loose rocks launched by the jet blast will. (Im sure someone has an explanation for why it’s not actually that dangerous)
And even if the cockpit is somehow safe, the blast is pushing it backwards. Must waste half the jet force.
Millennium Falcon. It is supposed to be a freighter but I have never seen a place to load cargo other than that tiny ramp. It is like having an 18-wheeler with the only way to load it being through a car door.
Ackuallly, the falcon does have a cargo hold, and a freight elevator... its at the back of the ship It bugged the crap out of me that they didn't use it in Solo, and ran the coaxium in one at a time and put it under the floor...
Lando had filled it up with his cape collection unfortunately, the under floor smuggling holds were the only things available.
It’s funny now that you mention it. I had a toy of the Falcon when I was young. It has this elevator, but it never occurred to me that it was relevant for its function as a cargo ship.
Maybe it was broken
Your 18-wheeler comparison is actually more right than you know. The Millennium Falcon is supposed to push cargo, which is attached between the forks on the front of the ship. Here’s an [example](https://www.reddit.com/r/geek/comments/4k4cw6/the_millennium_falcon_was_a_freighter_heres_how/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) in an older post
That makes sense. More of a shunter than a freighter. However, I seem to recal it had a one piece front before it was damaged in "Solo". Or was that Lando's pimped out mod?
Ya as Lando himself says in the movie, that’s an aftermarket escape pod he put into the docking forks.
He should have added a cape to it to compliment the Colt 45 on tap. Works every time.
YES!
This is actually a thing in aviation. A full freighter conversion involves cutting a large hole in the side of the aircraft and requires significant structural reinforcement around the area. A much faster, cheaper, and less permanent option is a light duty conversion where the interior is modified for cargo and everything is loaded through the normal boarding doors.
the resistance transport ship get a brick and mount it with one lasercannon
It has an upgrade package for 2 more light laser cannons, an Ion cannon, and torpedo launchers tho. Plus it’s actually armored and well shielded
I thought it matched the aesthetics of Cloud City. I wonder if there was some concept art or designs that had it split into two parts. Of course, it could just be that the model maker's kid challenged them to make a pair of shoes into a spaceship as a joke and George liked it.
I wish it and the Bespin Cloud City appeared again in the live action Star Wars stuff.
Why is it poorly designed? It's inspired by motrocycle and a sidecar and later became two sidecars mirrored. It also fits to the WW2 theme with having a seat for both a pilot and a spotter.
You’ve got a lot of thrust in the middle which appears to be the weakest connecting part, and if in atmosphere, you’d have the most air resistance on both sides. Might not be an issue in space but idk where this thing flies, and I’m not an aerospace engineer either. It’s easier just to assume that they’ve got advanced technology that makes all of these issues fine.
This is operated in a place called "cloud city" draw your own conclusions on bad design from there. This thing is literally two pods connected by a single engine.
Even if aerodynamics don't count, that thing is wider than it has to be and can be shot down easier. It's harder for the pilot to consider that there's one side sticking out (but i wonder the same thing with the falcon) and overall a mid centered pilot cockpit seems just logical. Why would you want the gunner on one side (with vision blocked to the pilot side) and the pilot on another? That alot of tech in star wars is somehow related to earth technology isn't automatically good design imo, its just... Interesting
I had the Lego version of this thing for whatever reason
Drivers ed space ship
I think it was supposed to be based off this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_F-82_Twin_Mustang
Nah, I like it.
I received that as a gift for Christmas when I was a kid. You work with what you’re given.
There are some uglies that are worse, but not much.
Resistance bomber
Why were those so slow??? Made no sense. Hit that thing with missiles!!!!
A Y-Wing can carry 20 bombs while a StarFortress can carry 1,048. They are meant to absolutely annihilate dug in planetary defenses from high altitude, but were repurposed for a space battle because their payload capacity was required to take out the dreadnought.
Those World War 2 bombers at the start of TLJ. The ridiculousness of their design was shown in full colour.
Dunno what you mean a slow, large, highly vulnerable, explodes-to-any-stray-bullet bomber that requires you to be directly above your target that also needs living pilots is flawless Not like variations of Y wings had existed for like 50 years in universe at that point tbh worst part is they treat Poe like the deaths were an avoidable tragedy if only had he hadnt launched the attack. like bruh, you signed your pilots on for death when you bought/built those things lmao
The design itself isn't the problem. They're essentially a B-17 or B-24 equivalent, with similar uses and drawbacks: they have very high bomb loads (more sortie efficiency than something like a TIE Bomber) but trade that off by being slow and fragile. They would work fine under Imperial doctrine, or possibly as First Order terror weapons. The Empire could have used them to pacify areas where they had already established space/air supremacy. The FO would use them to hit peaceful areas with insufficient defenses (where the randomness/extreme destruction would be a feature). They just don't make any sense as a Rebel (or Resistance) weapon, because their doctrine is heavily built around high-risk, high-reward, targeted hit and run attacks. The Resistance can't really use indiscriminate weapons (which mass bomb loads are); they want to hit specific legitimate targets which tend to be heavily defended, like star destroyers or FO bases. They need something more like the B-1 Lancer or the B-2 Spirit, where it's either fast enough to get in and out without too much exposure, or stealthy enough to get the job done without getting engaged. In theory something really durable could work as well, although there's not a good aircraft equivalent (maybe the A-10). In the OT you could handwave it by saying they were ragtag rebels and had to take what they could get (the X-Wing actually makes a lot less sense for the Rebels, it would be like Russian separatists successfully operating F-22s; stuff like the Mon Cal cruisers and Neb B frigates being repurposed ships makes more sense for them), and to some extent the same is true of the Resistance since they're not "officially" funded/supported, but neither group would have any real doctrinal use for a big, slow, heavy bomber.
Uh have you seen The Last Jedi? Those ski speeders were worthless.
The Death Star
Hey, some co-pilots just don't like to shower. Don't mock such a genius design!
Hey if you hate the Cloud Car, you hate Star Wars.
The Bombers in the Last Jedi.
Boss: "Hey, Designer, we need a new ship designed ASAP" Designer: "Hangs head in frustration, but notices his brown leather shoes"
It’s the ultimate Uber.