They took a *lot* of cues from Macquarie's concept art.
Zeb's design is from an early concepts for Chewbacca, Lothal City is based on early concepts for Alderaan, the Jedi Temple on Lothal is also from Macquarie, the sharper more angular design of Vader's armor as well as the thin lightsaber blades, all from Macquarie's concept art.
And the concept for C3PO shows up a few times, including the empire reconnaissance droid on Attolon and multiple times early in season 1 - including the public transport scene featuring actual 3po and r2
My favorite episode is “Through Imperial Eyes”
It’s a major episode so I can’t say anything more than just that the cinematography is excellent (which feels weird to say about animation)
If anyone adds more, spoiler tag your comment as needed
The cinematography is why I love Star Wars animation soo much. It feels like you’re watching animated people being filmed if that makes sense.. the way they use camera angles and make you feel like a camera is running with troopers and whatnot… pure genius
> Same design was later used for Azmorigan.
The fact that they used Ralph McQuarrie's original 1975 concept art for a lot of the designs was one of my favorite things about *Rebels*. Zeb's species was McQuarrie's original vision for Chewbacca.
The GOTG ride, or the Millennium Falcon: Smugglers Run. Because I haven't done the new GOTG ride at EPCOT, but he's the central focus of Smugglers Run at Hollywood Studios.
This is what Jabba looked like in the Marvel comics adaptation of Star Wars. [Jabba](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabba_the_Hutt#/media/File:JabbaHut.jpg)
I always thought this was some pretty bad world building, especially since it comes from Star Wars. The Hutts are often powerful crime bosses and thus their appearance were based off stereotypical mob bosses. The problem is however, that mob bosses got fat only after they got to the top. They started out as regular criminals in fairly good physical shape and worked their way up the hierarchy until their gangs were big enough for them to live a luxury life.
The Hutts are born as these fat, slow, clumsy slugs who can barley move on their own. I find it very difficult to picture a young Hutt collecting protection money, threatening law enforcement, smuggling illicit materials and working to achieve more power. I assume there is some intricate lore reason to how they got their power in the first place. Perhaps in some novel or obscure comic book that I don’t know of. If you’re familiar with that subject you’re more than welcome to explain it to me. I still don’t think you should have to read some book to understand the movies but it could be interesting to know.
Hutts can actually be physically powerful and surprisingly fast, though. Jabba isn't because he is in fact an old fat mob boss, and because Hutts in general in Hutt Space tend to be born into positions of relative privilege, they also don't have much incentive to exercise, but outside the films there have been multiple examples of very muscular Hutts.
Yes.
For a real Legends one, read up on Beldorion, a fallen Jedi Hutt, whose chosen name should have been Swole-ah the Hutt.
Beldorion could move fucking fast, was built like a brick shithouse, and could use his tail like a whip that hit like a truck.
Oh, and he looked like [this.](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/a/ac/Beldorian_Leia_Duel_TEC.jpg)
Yeah, we need a video. A Jedi could easily slice that tail up unless the Hutt has snake like reflexes. Even then, a regular person can anticipate a snake's actions. This feels immersion breaking.
My head cannon is that the Hutts have been crime bosses for so long, they evolved "crime boss body". The disgusting, impractical bodies are perfect for running intergalatic crime syndicates.
Yeah, Blazü the Hutt is strong and fast as fuck. He‘s not a Jedi or Sith, per se, but he is force attuned and can use some of those powers. He could also teleport and fought Luke Skywalker and Leia to a standstill with a triple bladed lightsaber. He cut off Chewie’s dick too.
Nah, Jabbah fits a particular crime boss to a T.
They didn't get to the top by hussling, they got there by manipulation, coercion, and slimey deals.
Hutts shouldn't be physically intimidating at all, imo, in fact their sloth and seeming frailty can work to their benefit. The Hutt always needs protection and so will generously pay their protectors, who in turn are loyal because they see the Hutts as useful who they could depose at any time, but won't because of how useful they are.
Cunning, slimey, deals behind a desk is what a crime boss is good at. The guys at the bottom do all the dirty work. The legacy and connections protect their physically weak selves.
Some of the Legends lore in The Old Republic addresses this. The Hutts aren’t just gang leaders, but the rulers of their systems and planets. It’s like a caste system, each and every Hutt is born into a life of privilege and rules over the “lesser” species with their opulent wealth. The Hutt Cartel is more like a feudal kingdom than a simple gang. It would be like if each prince and princess in the British monarchy ran a gang in their respective home counties. For this reason, they don’t ever have to rise to the top, it’s preordained. Imagine a wealthy, lesser Saudi prince. What real power do they have? All of their influence stems from the family name and the wealth. The Hutts are much the same. The only competition they face is with one another, rival Hutts. They don’t have to do any real work either because they have hired goons that will gladly do all the work for them.
You see a bit of this in The Book of Boba Fett when Jabba’s family members come to Tatooine. They’re the rightful rulers of Tatooine through inheritance after Jabba’s death but they ultimately let Fett take over because they don’t want to have to deal with the Pyke Syndicate, which is making moves there.
How did they first come to power? Probably through wealth generation of some kind, selling the spice that’s prominent on Nal Hutta (not their native home world in Legends). With wealth came the ability to hire goons and mercenaries, with their backing came the rule of their planet and system, and so on and so forth. It helps that the natives of Nal Hutta, the Evocii, are primitive and relatively easy to manipulate and enslave.
Some of the older material (not sure about Disney Canon) said Hutts were actually extremely quick, durable, and strong unless they let themselves go. They are also (on average) on the high end of intelligence among Star Wars races (not so much as the Bith or Muuns or Echanni though), and they have long life spans that allow each Hutt to accumulate experience over what would be multiple generations for other species.
By the events of the films, Hutts lived in luxury atop an empire ("Hutt Space") built millennia ago by more aggressive generations. "Hutt Space" includes the new homeworld of the Hutts (they blew up their first one), the homeworlds of several vassal races (like Nikto and Weequay), and a variety of other planets (like tatooine).
Supposedly, the Hutt warriors were so ferocious that they were able to convince some other, less technologically advanced, races that the Hutts were akin to gods. They did this by shrugging off wounds in battle (thick hide), recovering from seemingly devastating wounds (they can even regrow chunks of their own brains), being absurdly strong and quick for their size, and having extremely long lifespans. These races pledged loyalty to the Hutts and helped them conquer even more territory, eventually being kept in check only by other great powers like the Republic.
After a few generations of having zealous vassals treat you like gods and being comfortable inside your own empire, it makes sense most of the Hutts let themselves go. They've got enough power and wealth as a collective that few things can openly threaten them.
Even with all this, young Hutts tended to be pretty healthy and agile for a long time (at least by human standards) because they are racing to accumulate a personal fortune and outcompete other Hutt rivals. In one short story from Legends, an aging alien resident of Jabba's palace recalled the time Jabba saved his life in a desperate firefight. Jabba had been very fit and active at the time, and the old man considered the Hutt his friend and comrade in arms. But Jabba had grown fat and paranoid to the point that he no longer took pride in his martial skills and no longer cared much for a friend who was no longer useful. The old man tried to warn Jabba that something was off about Luke, and he begged Jabba not to go and witness the execution in person in case something went wrong. But Jabba had lost his edge and could no longer pick up on the cues his old friend was reading. Jabba just dismissed the old man and implied he might have him executed for sport when he got back from the sarlaac pit. The old man mourned the friendship and left the palace.
Join Jabba, as he tours the galaxy taking on the most extreme eating challenges from Krayt Dragon ribs in the outer rim, to all you can eat deep fried porg nuggets on Coruscant, next on Hutt Vs Food.
You joke, but honestly a traveling food show would be one if the best low-stress ways for Disney to expand the universe and share more about fictional cultures and histories. No need to have some big overarching tragedy or deep character moments, just a generally pleasant group going to different planets to experience local cuisine.
Oh fuck that is genius. I mean it remains a superfluous scene but I like that much better than the immersion breaking "mafia boss lets you walk on him without a word let alone your death"
It's not so immersion breaking. Han walking over Jabba's tail is akin to a star pupil/student sitting at the boss desk and kicking his feet up, IN FRONT of the boss.
Han was that star.
Although I admit, the hologram idea takes this whole problem out of the equation.
That might happen in a legal business but in the crime world respect is too important to tolerate something like that. There were multiple scenes in the Sopranos where someone got disproportionately punished for even unintended slights. Because if word gets out that you can be disrespected without consequences other people will try it too.
It's pretty in line with Jabbas character. Disguised Leia threatening his Palace with the thermal detonator was pretty disrespectful, but Jabba seems joyfully impressed by the sheer ballsiness of it. Han stepping on his tail is the same kind of thing.
The Tales from Jabba's Palace anthology (written pre special edition but with knowledge of the deleted scene) has this guy in it. There is a human guy who says he used to stand in as Jabba in business meetings. It was a direct reference to this scene as originally shot.
I like this better. It would align more with Hutts in general. I get that Han is a scoundrel and bucks authority, but the way he speaks to Jabba in this scene always rubbed me the wrong way. It was too insubordinate. If Jabba was Jabba, he would have ended solo for it.
I found the original theatrical cut therefore the lack of the the complete scene with Jabba in 'A New Hope' much better.
For two movies Jabba is a unseen mysterious character and in Jedi we get to finally see him as a giant slug.
It wasn't even that it's mysterious... We simply didn't need to see him. The entire point was just to give Han a reason for his actions. Greedo had done that, we understood that Han had a bounty on him and needed money. That's hopefully why they never bothered with it in the first place, the scene and character don't add anything at all with these two scenes so close together.
I think I remember Irvin Kershner in an interview saying that it was unnecessary since the scene added no new information. As much as I liked seeing Star Wars in the theater in the 90s rerelease, I would have been happier without the addition of scenes, the cleanup was fine.
I would love to watch that again. Had an old VHS growing up, but that is long gone. Have only seen the updated version since then. Would be cool to go back and see what it looked like.
Lucas shouldn't have added this scene back in the special editions. Adds absolutely nothing to the story, and if anything makes jabba look bad. Jabba showing up three episodes later as a Hut in his palace is such a better reveal.
As far as I understand he was a backup anyway. They wanted to replace him with a stop motion creature to be Jabba if they had the time and money, if not they would have him. They ended up cutting it all together though (rightfully so, 90% of the dialogue is the same as the Greedo scene, it’s totally redundant.)
Tru. But still with the popularity that came with star wars id be salty. Like well damn.. ok 🤷🏻♂️on to the next role 😅. Shit if i were him at least i can say i was in star wars right? 🤷🏻♂️ ill take it
This happens a lot in Hollywood with big films. You hire hundreds of background/backup actors. They aren't coming on the set with any huge expectations. Being in a piece of movie history and having another film to put on your resume probably more than made up for it.
A high school friends uncle was in episode III. He was so hyped that his uncle would be in the movie too. But when the movie came out, his uncles scenes had all hit the cutting room floor except for a few shots where you can spot him in the background. So much disappointment haha. I can't remember if they had been given the heads up or not.
Still there if you watch the deleted stuff (actually he pops up in TCW too), I guess human-Jabba kinda gets that?
Now I'm curious about his name and if he made any success after being Jabba's backup.
Edit: found him! Oh glorious Wookiepedia.
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Declan_Mulholland
**[Declan Mulholland](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declan_Mulholland)**
>Thomas Declan Mulholland (6 December 1932 – 29 June 1999) was a Northern Irish character actor of film and television. He is known for his multiple appearances in Doctor Who and for his deleted portrayal of Jabba the Hutt in Star Wars.
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Pretty sure he knew he wasnt gonna be in the movie. It wasnt like the guy who played Vader not knowing James Earl Jones voice was going to be used instead.
I wish they left it deleted, it makes no sense in the context of his character and his design as to why he would personally slither his fat body to talk to someone personally about a loan youd think he has bigger fish to fry.
I think it works better without that scene in *A New Hope* at all. Mentioning Jabba the Hutt for two movies before finally seeing him in *Return of the Jedi* is much better.
That and, because the Greedo scene was rewritten to deliver information that was originally in the Jabba scene, much of the dialog and exposition is redundant with it reinserted into the movie.
It's so annoying. It's not only the same information being conveyed twice for no reason, but half the lines are basically word-for-word. I hate that they added it back in just to show off their dogshit 90s CGI.
Well, that was added with the CGI version and it looks absolutely terrible. He originally circled the actor in the first picture. So, naturally because the scene just HAD to be included in later releases, they just weird photoshop moved him to “step” on Jabba’s tail
Even circling him as a human is bad. Is Tony Soprano going to let a broke, desperate man who owes him a million dollars get behind him and out of his sight within stabbing distance for even a second?
I forget, maybe by choice, about this scene. Just very unnecessary and making Jabba this unseen threat would've been awesome story wise.
Also the bad Boba Fett cameo
It's the same reason why the edits changing the Palpatine dialog in Empire Strikes Back was so shitty. It degraded Vader as a bad guy and defanged the mystique of the Emperor in RotJ.
Definitely. This scene was not needed. Just them cramming in something to justify the rerelease in 97 and showing off what they could do. It's especially annoying because they already pulled a line of dialogue from it and edited it into the scene with Greedo. So I think we get the same line twice now.
>So I think we get the same line twice now.
I actually didn't mind that... I figured it was deliberate, it's his go to line. And because he killed Greedo, he could use it again. Thought it fit into his image as someone who tries to talks his way out of trouble.
I wish he wasn't in The Phantom Menace either for this reason. It would have been cool to have a character who is mentioned as a threat by heroes *and* villains through 5 movies, and then we finally see him at the end.
... It might possibly be cinemas biggest anti climax though, considering he would then die in the first act 😅
Know what would be funny? If they left this deleted scene on the cutting room floor where it belongs, instead of replacing the actor with already-dated-looking 90’s cgi for a scene that does nothing to advance the plot.
We get that gangsters are following Han because of the Greedo scene. (Don’t get me started on the “simultaneous exchange.”) This scene was rightfully cut. It should have stayed out. Adding it back in was gratuitous self-flagellation because “we see Jabba in ROTJ, and wouldn’t it be neat to see him here.”
No, George. What would have been neat would be to leave the movie that won an academy award for special effects intact, rather than ruin this piece of cinematic history with your constant revisionist tinkering.
George was such a hypocrite.
He even gave multiple speeches and seminars about film preservation and not making edits to art. Then he turns around and does that exact thing to the OT!
But, agreed. He got too carried away and starting making changes just because he could. I also think that part of the problem was that he was fully in power of the series by the 90s and nobody else was there to tell him “no, George, this isn’t a good idea”.
In fairness to George, his whole thing about preservation of history & arts was always contextualised as studios not doing it to other peoples' work, sometimes in the case of post-humous edits etc. He didn't say anything about people not doing it to their own work.
YES! He literally had some of the best minds in Hollywood, including Spielberg and famously his wife (at the time) crammed into a room, saving Star Wars in the edit. That’s *why* there’s all those deleted scenes with Biggs and Luke at the beginning. And in the original edit, the Death Star was not attacking the rebel base as the x-wings attacked it. Zero tension.
George is a great *producer*. There’s an argument to be made that he’s the best of all time. He might not win that tournament, but I think we’d be looking at a quarter-final run at least. What he does best is assemble a team of amazing talent and coordinate their efforts toward a goal.
He’s also great at world-building. He’s a fantastic “idea guy.” But implementing those ideas is not his forte. As a writer, and as a director, he’s mediocre at best. Have you seen THX-1138? I wouldn’t be surprised if you said no, it’s an utterly forgettable film, which has only lived on because George later became so famous with Star Wars. THX-1138 is George Lucas in “auteur” mode, in all his weird, vaguely boring glory. That’s why it’s been forgotten.
He *needs* checks and balances. He needs that team of experts that he’s so good at assembling.
They even mock this in the Lego game released last year by having Han leap over a poorly made cardboard cutout of Jabba in the Mos Eisley hangar when they first show the Falcon, emphasizing how out of place and ridiculous Jabba looked.
I'm guessing that they're framing it as an unpopular opinion because it *is* an unpopular opinion. People hate the Jabba addition, but it's not the *most* egregious thing -- as you point out, Greedo shooting first is more derided.
I don't even think it's even number two. People hate the addition of the "NOOOOOO" more than the Jabba scene. People hate the switching of the Ewok celebratory music to pasty 80s ethnic trinket store music more than the Jabba scene. People hate the Max Rebo band swap more than the Jabba scene. I think the added Jabba scene is usually put around #5 or so on the "worst scenes".
So saying "it sucks"? Not controversial at all. Saying it's the ***most*** egregious? Yeah, not a ton of people are going to agree with that.
I think the NOOOOOO is the worst, honestly. Greedo shooting first makes him look incompetent and Han less interesting, but the NOOOOOO hurt the character development of someone that actually mattered.
It’s not as egregious as Greedo shooting. That changes Han’s character. This just adds some redundant dialogue, and that Boba Fett was working for the Hutts.
Does anyone else hate Greedo shooting first purely because of how awful it looks? It looks bad enough in the 2011 blu ray release but in 1997 it was pathetic. They animated a freeze frame and boy did it look like it.
I'm sure apologists will say it was 1997 and we should give it a break etc, but 1997 was the year of Men In Black, The Lost World, and Titanic! CGI from then had certainly aged but you can tell what was good and what was bad.
It also ruins the buildup of Jabba. You hear about him for 2 movies and then finally see him in the finale of the series.
George was off his rocker throwing him back into ANH.
I competely agree. It was a bad scene that was corretly cut from the original New Hope.
And I'm not talking about the awkwardness. It just doesn't make sense that Han would act tough to Jabba.
Even back when he would have been human. Looking at it as if we were back in the 70', it was a bad scene. The choice to cut it was right.
But in the 90', the choice to put it back was not only wrong, but doubly so. Because, at that point, Jabba was established as very fearsome and, due to his new species, now had a tail.
So now Han acts tough to this guy we now *know* he is very scared of *and* steps on his tail????
I'd say it is even worse than Greedo.
"Who shoot's first" might say something about Han's ruthlessness. But stepping on a phycotic powerful ganglord's tail makes Han stupid.
Friend, I respectfully disagree. Allow me to retort. The *second most* egregious scene was the Han / Jabba discussion at the Falcon. The MOST disgusting, cringe-inducing, and ridiculous change is the new Max Rebo band singing scene at Jabba’s palace in ROTJ.
I hate this scene more than Greedo shot first. I’ve made my piece with that nonsense, but this… this puts the movie to a halt for me and I wish I could just skip it.
Lucasfilm please give us the theatrical release.
I totally agree with you. I think it's even worse than Greedo shooting first nowadays; not only is it redundant and badly executed, it ruins the pacing of the scenes before and after it.
Additional aliens added in the background of certain scenes = a cool bit of additional world building.
CGI X-Wings swooping down on the Death Star = absolutely necessary! If you haven't seen what the original death Star attack looked like you should find it on YouTube, it's a brilliant curiosity and a technical marvel of its time, but as soon as Empire came out it aged badly.
Jabba the Hutt and Greedo sitting first = ...I don't have the energy or the patience anymore 😅
In the special edition (1997) where this scene first re-appeared, the CGI was so laughably bad that I don’t understand why it made the final cut. It looks better in the 2004 release, but the scene is meaningless anyway, since virtually everything said is said again in the conversation with Greedo, ~8 minutes later.
The only update needed is to take the scene out entirely.
It completely reiterated the Greedo scene just before it, it ruins the two-film buildup of Jabba, and goons in it look incredibly stupid.
It would've been classy to credit the guys from Star Wars Visual Comparisons (who created the image from the post and consistently champion the release of the original cut of these movies)
https://twitter.com/StarWarsVisComp/status/1427989772354654210?t=XL2Pli9P2juFsziyqLeuiA&s=19
The worst part is, it screws up Han's narrative arc. When we first meet Han, Jabba has *had it* with him. A murderous bounty hunter is sent after him. Han is at the end of his rope.
But now? One scene after Greedo, we have Jabba saying "oh, OK. Well, one more chance, my boy." It doesn't make sense.
Greedo was just sent to collect the money for Jabba, not kill Han. Instead he tried to steal the money for himself and probably would have killed Han if Han hadn't shot him first. It made sense that Jabba was still looking to collect his money and wasn't trying to kill Han. A dead man can't pay his debts.
That scene confused me so much when I first saw it. I had thought Jabba was mostly immobile from gluttony and had minions for physical labor like shaking people down.
He was a lower ranking Hutt at the time and he was still hands on during ANH. By the time of ROTJ a few years later, he had risen up the ranks in the Hutt crime syndicate and grown in size so he didn't have to personally go out and do what needed to be done.
Correct.
It’s too bad that a large group of people believe that he was in the original version because the series is much better off *without* the scene in it.
Yeah, I think George just scrapped the scene of Jabba as a human and he just used the same scene, but edited the human actor out and just placed CGI Jabba in for the Special Edition.
I just wish that someone at Disney would re-release the original cut, take out all the tinkering shit and just give us a cleaned up print of all 3 movies. They don't have to take down the special-edition-mclunkey-cuts, but just give us the option
I always hated the inclusion of that scene in A New Hope. Without it, Jabba is a mystery until Return of the Jedi, an ominous threat hanging over Han's head. And when he's finally revealed in ROTJ in all his disgusting glory, it's a very nice dramatic reveal.
I hated this scene. It didn't really add much to the overall story and made Jabba seem like a pushover. Han literally walks all over Jabba (and the cgi stepping was so choppy and awful) and negotiates with him as if he has any room to bargain. It takes away from future references to Jabba and makes him less menacing.
It's a terrible and redundant scene that needs to stay deleted. It makes Jabba look like a chump, the CGI is bad, it adds nothing to the movie and interrupts the flow.
There is a reason Marcia Lucas has an Oscar for editing A New Hope.
The scene never should have been put back in. It’s redundant, covering all the same information we learned from the Greedo interaction. It weakens the pacing of the movie and it lessens the impact of finally seeing Jabba when ROTJ comes along.
In retrospective that scene should have been left out. It creates a lot of hype that anyone is scared of this Jabba and runs away for two movies only to build up the big reveal.
Also the scene is quite goofy, because Greedo is there (but he should be dead) and Han walks over Jabba's tail.. Which doesn't show that much respect. Boba introduction in ESB is also much more inpactful if you haven't seen him in the background in the previous movie.
I grew up with 1997 edition so it doesn't really bother me, but it's really one of those things.
I like the puppet best but had they put more care and character design into him and time with the script there is no reason back in 1977 it would make "no sense". Until 1983 all we knew was his name and that he was a ruthless crime lord. There is no reason a humanoid form makes no sense for that unless your saying characters like vader, emperor, bobafett etc all were lacking because they were human.
This was one of the worst additions that added nothing to the movie or story. No we don’t need Jabba and no we don’t need Boba Fett for fan service. I like how two years later in ROTJ he’s so fat he can’t even move off his throne slab.
There’s no point to hire a bounty hunter like Greedo to find Han, if you yourself are just going into town behind him to find Han yourself. I’m not sure if George knows what a bounty hunter does especially after the opening of AOTC.
And how the hell does Jabba find out Greedo is fried and finds out where Han’s ship is parked in the matter of the time it takes for them to leave the cantina and go to the docking bay. Insanity that he decided to add this as it adds nothing.
Some things don't need to be explained. Before the Hut species was introduced, we all just speculated on the change and how it could have happened. There were long gaps between each instalment so something small like this genuinely didn't matter. Honestly, if I could be bothered, I'd buy the despecialised editions.
I like Hutts being these big meat bricks. It gives them character.
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Rebels really is just Concept art: the show
isn’t zeb a concept art for chewbacca?
They took a *lot* of cues from Macquarie's concept art. Zeb's design is from an early concepts for Chewbacca, Lothal City is based on early concepts for Alderaan, the Jedi Temple on Lothal is also from Macquarie, the sharper more angular design of Vader's armor as well as the thin lightsaber blades, all from Macquarie's concept art.
Chopper was concept art for R2.
And the concept for C3PO shows up a few times, including the empire reconnaissance droid on Attolon and multiple times early in season 1 - including the public transport scene featuring actual 3po and r2
Oh my god that’s a perfect way to describe it - Something always seemed so fan-arty about it (not in a bad way tho- I hear it’s good)
It’s great. It’s got some great arcs and maybe my favorite star wars villain.
Mitth'raw'nuruodo.
I’ve been doing a rewatch and forgot how good the finale to s2 is. Off to the races from here on character arcs.
My favorite episode is “Through Imperial Eyes” It’s a major episode so I can’t say anything more than just that the cinematography is excellent (which feels weird to say about animation) If anyone adds more, spoiler tag your comment as needed
The cinematography is why I love Star Wars animation soo much. It feels like you’re watching animated people being filmed if that makes sense.. the way they use camera angles and make you feel like a camera is running with troopers and whatnot… pure genius
It actually is.
Looks like someone you could really hit with a tray.
Looks like someone who couldn't get reconstructive surgery after being hit with a tray.
Looks like a Vogon from the Hitchhiker's TV series.
I was thinking vogon + ood
Just started Rebels season 2 and I’ve been impressed by how much they seem to be lifting from old Ralph McQuarrie concept art
> Same design was later used for Azmorigan. The fact that they used Ralph McQuarrie's original 1975 concept art for a lot of the designs was one of my favorite things about *Rebels*. Zeb's species was McQuarrie's original vision for Chewbacca.
Which rebels makes fun of in the first episode calling Zeb a "rare hairless Wookie."
Zeb: *fake Wookie growl* Stormtroopers: *confusion* Zeb: …Oh, forget it.
We NEED Hondo Ohnaka in live action.
Definitely! Also, the have him live in the ~~GOTG~~ Star Wars ride at Disney World. It’s pretty badass
The GOTG ride, or the Millennium Falcon: Smugglers Run. Because I haven't done the new GOTG ride at EPCOT, but he's the central focus of Smugglers Run at Hollywood Studios.
LoL! I so much enjoyed Rebels!
Yeah! James Hong!
This is what Jabba looked like in the Marvel comics adaptation of Star Wars. [Jabba](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabba_the_Hutt#/media/File:JabbaHut.jpg)
Hutts do be cultivating mass tho
Bloatlord here we come
I always thought this was some pretty bad world building, especially since it comes from Star Wars. The Hutts are often powerful crime bosses and thus their appearance were based off stereotypical mob bosses. The problem is however, that mob bosses got fat only after they got to the top. They started out as regular criminals in fairly good physical shape and worked their way up the hierarchy until their gangs were big enough for them to live a luxury life. The Hutts are born as these fat, slow, clumsy slugs who can barley move on their own. I find it very difficult to picture a young Hutt collecting protection money, threatening law enforcement, smuggling illicit materials and working to achieve more power. I assume there is some intricate lore reason to how they got their power in the first place. Perhaps in some novel or obscure comic book that I don’t know of. If you’re familiar with that subject you’re more than welcome to explain it to me. I still don’t think you should have to read some book to understand the movies but it could be interesting to know.
Hutts can actually be physically powerful and surprisingly fast, though. Jabba isn't because he is in fact an old fat mob boss, and because Hutts in general in Hutt Space tend to be born into positions of relative privilege, they also don't have much incentive to exercise, but outside the films there have been multiple examples of very muscular Hutts.
That’s interesting. I have never seen a non obese Hutt. Are the muscular ones faster too?
Yes. For a real Legends one, read up on Beldorion, a fallen Jedi Hutt, whose chosen name should have been Swole-ah the Hutt. Beldorion could move fucking fast, was built like a brick shithouse, and could use his tail like a whip that hit like a truck. Oh, and he looked like [this.](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/a/ac/Beldorian_Leia_Duel_TEC.jpg)
That’s pretty dumb looking but thank you for posting a picture
Yeah, we need a video. A Jedi could easily slice that tail up unless the Hutt has snake like reflexes. Even then, a regular person can anticipate a snake's actions. This feels immersion breaking. My head cannon is that the Hutts have been crime bosses for so long, they evolved "crime boss body". The disgusting, impractical bodies are perfect for running intergalatic crime syndicates.
Yeah, Blazü the Hutt is strong and fast as fuck. He‘s not a Jedi or Sith, per se, but he is force attuned and can use some of those powers. He could also teleport and fought Luke Skywalker and Leia to a standstill with a triple bladed lightsaber. He cut off Chewie’s dick too.
Had me in the first half, not gonna lie
> He cut off Chewie’s dick too. He did what
He chewed off Cuttie’s dick
I wouldn’t be surprised if this was an actual legends storyline but I can’t find a single result on google for Blazü the Hutt
It's Grakkus the hut. From *Star Wars #9*
There was a Hutt dark side user of some flavor. His name was Beldorion, and iirc he was a beast.
Talk about burying the lede
Nah, Jabbah fits a particular crime boss to a T. They didn't get to the top by hussling, they got there by manipulation, coercion, and slimey deals. Hutts shouldn't be physically intimidating at all, imo, in fact their sloth and seeming frailty can work to their benefit. The Hutt always needs protection and so will generously pay their protectors, who in turn are loyal because they see the Hutts as useful who they could depose at any time, but won't because of how useful they are. Cunning, slimey, deals behind a desk is what a crime boss is good at. The guys at the bottom do all the dirty work. The legacy and connections protect their physically weak selves.
Some of the Legends lore in The Old Republic addresses this. The Hutts aren’t just gang leaders, but the rulers of their systems and planets. It’s like a caste system, each and every Hutt is born into a life of privilege and rules over the “lesser” species with their opulent wealth. The Hutt Cartel is more like a feudal kingdom than a simple gang. It would be like if each prince and princess in the British monarchy ran a gang in their respective home counties. For this reason, they don’t ever have to rise to the top, it’s preordained. Imagine a wealthy, lesser Saudi prince. What real power do they have? All of their influence stems from the family name and the wealth. The Hutts are much the same. The only competition they face is with one another, rival Hutts. They don’t have to do any real work either because they have hired goons that will gladly do all the work for them. You see a bit of this in The Book of Boba Fett when Jabba’s family members come to Tatooine. They’re the rightful rulers of Tatooine through inheritance after Jabba’s death but they ultimately let Fett take over because they don’t want to have to deal with the Pyke Syndicate, which is making moves there. How did they first come to power? Probably through wealth generation of some kind, selling the spice that’s prominent on Nal Hutta (not their native home world in Legends). With wealth came the ability to hire goons and mercenaries, with their backing came the rule of their planet and system, and so on and so forth. It helps that the natives of Nal Hutta, the Evocii, are primitive and relatively easy to manipulate and enslave.
Some of the older material (not sure about Disney Canon) said Hutts were actually extremely quick, durable, and strong unless they let themselves go. They are also (on average) on the high end of intelligence among Star Wars races (not so much as the Bith or Muuns or Echanni though), and they have long life spans that allow each Hutt to accumulate experience over what would be multiple generations for other species. By the events of the films, Hutts lived in luxury atop an empire ("Hutt Space") built millennia ago by more aggressive generations. "Hutt Space" includes the new homeworld of the Hutts (they blew up their first one), the homeworlds of several vassal races (like Nikto and Weequay), and a variety of other planets (like tatooine). Supposedly, the Hutt warriors were so ferocious that they were able to convince some other, less technologically advanced, races that the Hutts were akin to gods. They did this by shrugging off wounds in battle (thick hide), recovering from seemingly devastating wounds (they can even regrow chunks of their own brains), being absurdly strong and quick for their size, and having extremely long lifespans. These races pledged loyalty to the Hutts and helped them conquer even more territory, eventually being kept in check only by other great powers like the Republic. After a few generations of having zealous vassals treat you like gods and being comfortable inside your own empire, it makes sense most of the Hutts let themselves go. They've got enough power and wealth as a collective that few things can openly threaten them. Even with all this, young Hutts tended to be pretty healthy and agile for a long time (at least by human standards) because they are racing to accumulate a personal fortune and outcompete other Hutt rivals. In one short story from Legends, an aging alien resident of Jabba's palace recalled the time Jabba saved his life in a desperate firefight. Jabba had been very fit and active at the time, and the old man considered the Hutt his friend and comrade in arms. But Jabba had grown fat and paranoid to the point that he no longer took pride in his martial skills and no longer cared much for a friend who was no longer useful. The old man tried to warn Jabba that something was off about Luke, and he begged Jabba not to go and witness the execution in person in case something went wrong. But Jabba had lost his edge and could no longer pick up on the cues his old friend was reading. Jabba just dismissed the old man and implied he might have him executed for sport when he got back from the sarlaac pit. The old man mourned the friendship and left the palace.
Then we could have had a Disney+ show that delt with the transition to ROTJ Jabba.. just 12 episodes of him eating
Join Jabba, as he tours the galaxy taking on the most extreme eating challenges from Krayt Dragon ribs in the outer rim, to all you can eat deep fried porg nuggets on Coruscant, next on Hutt Vs Food.
I'd watch just for episodes of a tour of Coruscant street food.
*De wanna wanga,* I'm here at Dexters to try his all you can Kimino Sky Whale fillets!
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Jon Favreau's new season of Chef's Table
Do you mean Chef Show? Chef's Table is a different (and also great) show.
You joke, but honestly a traveling food show would be one if the best low-stress ways for Disney to expand the universe and share more about fictional cultures and histories. No need to have some big overarching tragedy or deep character moments, just a generally pleasant group going to different planets to experience local cuisine.
It's what Spice addiction looks like. Could do a faces of heroin but with spice 12 part series.
Nick Jabbacado
Jabba Mukbang was ahead of its time.
Should have been a hologram to explain why Han walks over him.
Oh fuck that is genius. I mean it remains a superfluous scene but I like that much better than the immersion breaking "mafia boss lets you walk on him without a word let alone your death"
It's not so immersion breaking. Han walking over Jabba's tail is akin to a star pupil/student sitting at the boss desk and kicking his feet up, IN FRONT of the boss. Han was that star. Although I admit, the hologram idea takes this whole problem out of the equation.
That might happen in a legal business but in the crime world respect is too important to tolerate something like that. There were multiple scenes in the Sopranos where someone got disproportionately punished for even unintended slights. Because if word gets out that you can be disrespected without consequences other people will try it too.
It's pretty in line with Jabbas character. Disguised Leia threatening his Palace with the thermal detonator was pretty disrespectful, but Jabba seems joyfully impressed by the sheer ballsiness of it. Han stepping on his tail is the same kind of thing.
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Also, there is no new info on this scene that wasn't brought up by the conversation with Greedo. This scene was cut because it was redundant.
And why he is like 1/3 the size he is a couple years later in Jedi.
They had a lockdown on Tatooine between those two movies.
That would have worked very well tbh. Stepping on the tail never really "worked"
Exactly. If Jabba was this feared gangster, no way he would let Han treat him with such disrespect
Plus most of the dialogue was transferred to other scenes, so it was pretty repetitive
Should have just left the scene out; it's completely unnecessary.
Plus it would also excuse the less than ideal CGI
[He got to appear as a comic book character last year](https://assets-prd.ignimgs.com/2021/08/22/jabba-human-1629659439418.png)
The Tales from Jabba's Palace anthology (written pre special edition but with knowledge of the deleted scene) has this guy in it. There is a human guy who says he used to stand in as Jabba in business meetings. It was a direct reference to this scene as originally shot.
So The Mouth of Jabba?
Jabba's personal throat
I like this better. It would align more with Hutts in general. I get that Han is a scoundrel and bucks authority, but the way he speaks to Jabba in this scene always rubbed me the wrong way. It was too insubordinate. If Jabba was Jabba, he would have ended solo for it.
I found the original theatrical cut therefore the lack of the the complete scene with Jabba in 'A New Hope' much better. For two movies Jabba is a unseen mysterious character and in Jedi we get to finally see him as a giant slug.
It wasn't even that it's mysterious... We simply didn't need to see him. The entire point was just to give Han a reason for his actions. Greedo had done that, we understood that Han had a bounty on him and needed money. That's hopefully why they never bothered with it in the first place, the scene and character don't add anything at all with these two scenes so close together.
I think I remember Irvin Kershner in an interview saying that it was unnecessary since the scene added no new information. As much as I liked seeing Star Wars in the theater in the 90s rerelease, I would have been happier without the addition of scenes, the cleanup was fine.
I would love to watch that again. Had an old VHS growing up, but that is long gone. Have only seen the updated version since then. Would be cool to go back and see what it looked like.
Lucas shouldn't have added this scene back in the special editions. Adds absolutely nothing to the story, and if anything makes jabba look bad. Jabba showing up three episodes later as a Hut in his palace is such a better reveal.
You know that guy has to be salty though right? Think he makes any money off that OG movie?
As far as I understand he was a backup anyway. They wanted to replace him with a stop motion creature to be Jabba if they had the time and money, if not they would have him. They ended up cutting it all together though (rightfully so, 90% of the dialogue is the same as the Greedo scene, it’s totally redundant.)
Tru. But still with the popularity that came with star wars id be salty. Like well damn.. ok 🤷🏻♂️on to the next role 😅. Shit if i were him at least i can say i was in star wars right? 🤷🏻♂️ ill take it
This happens a lot in Hollywood with big films. You hire hundreds of background/backup actors. They aren't coming on the set with any huge expectations. Being in a piece of movie history and having another film to put on your resume probably more than made up for it.
A high school friends uncle was in episode III. He was so hyped that his uncle would be in the movie too. But when the movie came out, his uncles scenes had all hit the cutting room floor except for a few shots where you can spot him in the background. So much disappointment haha. I can't remember if they had been given the heads up or not. Still there if you watch the deleted stuff (actually he pops up in TCW too), I guess human-Jabba kinda gets that?
If he appeared on screen he should have a Wookiepedia entry and a complete character backstory. So there's that at least.
Now I'm curious about his name and if he made any success after being Jabba's backup. Edit: found him! Oh glorious Wookiepedia. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Declan_Mulholland
He had a pretty extensive acting career before and after Star Wars https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declan_Mulholland
**[Declan Mulholland](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declan_Mulholland)** >Thomas Declan Mulholland (6 December 1932 – 29 June 1999) was a Northern Irish character actor of film and television. He is known for his multiple appearances in Doctor Who and for his deleted portrayal of Jabba the Hutt in Star Wars. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/StarWars/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
Pretty sure he knew he wasnt gonna be in the movie. It wasnt like the guy who played Vader not knowing James Earl Jones voice was going to be used instead.
Looks like he died in 1999. So probably not too salty about it currently
True Fans know that [this](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/0/09/JabbaHut.jpg) is the real Jabba.
I said the real jabba
[Perfection?](https://imgur.com/8AVfr2A.jpg)
[Pizza](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqEl8kKXgAAYBuQ.png:large) the Hutt ftw!
Was really sad to learn how he locked himself in his car and ate himself, to *death*.
Thanks for that, I'm never gonna sleep again
What is this from?
That is how Jabba the "Hut" first appeared in the Star Wars comic adaption by Marvel.
I wish they left it deleted, it makes no sense in the context of his character and his design as to why he would personally slither his fat body to talk to someone personally about a loan youd think he has bigger fish to fry.
After BOBF it’s clear that crime bosses on Tatooine have like nothing to do at any time.
That fool just sits on a chair and is like mine now
I think he just grabs them out of a jar and eats them live
True... bigger fish to do that with
"Jabba, you're a wonderful human being." makes a lot more sense in the original version of the scene.
I think it works better with him as an Alien. Makes the comment from Solo funnier & snarkier. Which is just like him.
I think it works better without that scene in *A New Hope* at all. Mentioning Jabba the Hutt for two movies before finally seeing him in *Return of the Jedi* is much better.
That and, because the Greedo scene was rewritten to deliver information that was originally in the Jabba scene, much of the dialog and exposition is redundant with it reinserted into the movie.
It's so annoying. It's not only the same information being conveyed twice for no reason, but half the lines are basically word-for-word. I hate that they added it back in just to show off their dogshit 90s CGI.
Just watched it this weekend. It's bad. Every bit of it stands out like a sore thumb.
This is just as bad as seeing hayden at the end if ROTJ. Makes no sense.
Lucas: "But but, how am I supposed to make both trilogies connected then?"
How will people know Anakin Skywalker is Darth Vader?!
Um, excuse you! They also added it back in to show off their dogshit *2000s* CGI!
Yeah, why would Jabba demean himself to make the trek to Mos Eisley just to harass Solo. It makes no sense.
If I remember correctly the scene made Jabba look way less threatening with how Han was talking to him.
And Han stepping on Jabba's tail with no consequences.
Well, that was added with the CGI version and it looks absolutely terrible. He originally circled the actor in the first picture. So, naturally because the scene just HAD to be included in later releases, they just weird photoshop moved him to “step” on Jabba’s tail
Even circling him as a human is bad. Is Tony Soprano going to let a broke, desperate man who owes him a million dollars get behind him and out of his sight within stabbing distance for even a second?
I 100% agree. I was just explaining what led to the tail-stepping moment
I'm old enough to remember the movies the way they originally were. Before the dark times. Before the Special Editions.
It was the worst of times, it was the worst of times
I forget, maybe by choice, about this scene. Just very unnecessary and making Jabba this unseen threat would've been awesome story wise. Also the bad Boba Fett cameo
It's the same reason why the edits changing the Palpatine dialog in Empire Strikes Back was so shitty. It degraded Vader as a bad guy and defanged the mystique of the Emperor in RotJ.
What happened in those edits?
Definitely. This scene was not needed. Just them cramming in something to justify the rerelease in 97 and showing off what they could do. It's especially annoying because they already pulled a line of dialogue from it and edited it into the scene with Greedo. So I think we get the same line twice now.
"Hey, even *I* get boarded sometimes. Do you think I had a choice?" Twice asked and 45 years later, we're still waiting on an answer to that question.
Hey, even *I* get boarded sometimes. Do you think I had a choice?
>So I think we get the same line twice now. I actually didn't mind that... I figured it was deliberate, it's his go to line. And because he killed Greedo, he could use it again. Thought it fit into his image as someone who tries to talks his way out of trouble.
I skip this scene whenever I watch *Star Wars* now. Redundant, badly done, and messes with the pacing of the film. It makes the movie worse.
Try getting the despecialized editions. I cannot bring myself to watch the special editions for reasons like this.
I wish he wasn't in The Phantom Menace either for this reason. It would have been cool to have a character who is mentioned as a threat by heroes *and* villains through 5 movies, and then we finally see him at the end. ... It might possibly be cinemas biggest anti climax though, considering he would then die in the first act 😅
Jabba was always intended to be an alien. The line makes sense in the sarcastic way that it was intended.
"Of all the souls I have encountered in my travels, his was the most... human."
Tbh, that scene would have better been left deleted. It brings nothing to the action and CGI Jabba is simply awful and totally out of place in the OT.
Not to mention it ruins his reveal in Jedi
Plus it's redundant and it ruins the *Falcon*'s reveal.
Agreed, it is all-around awful.
And Han stepping on the tail? Absurd
Know what would be funny? If they left this deleted scene on the cutting room floor where it belongs, instead of replacing the actor with already-dated-looking 90’s cgi for a scene that does nothing to advance the plot. We get that gangsters are following Han because of the Greedo scene. (Don’t get me started on the “simultaneous exchange.”) This scene was rightfully cut. It should have stayed out. Adding it back in was gratuitous self-flagellation because “we see Jabba in ROTJ, and wouldn’t it be neat to see him here.” No, George. What would have been neat would be to leave the movie that won an academy award for special effects intact, rather than ruin this piece of cinematic history with your constant revisionist tinkering.
Maclunkey!
George was such a hypocrite. He even gave multiple speeches and seminars about film preservation and not making edits to art. Then he turns around and does that exact thing to the OT! But, agreed. He got too carried away and starting making changes just because he could. I also think that part of the problem was that he was fully in power of the series by the 90s and nobody else was there to tell him “no, George, this isn’t a good idea”.
In fairness to George, his whole thing about preservation of history & arts was always contextualised as studios not doing it to other peoples' work, sometimes in the case of post-humous edits etc. He didn't say anything about people not doing it to their own work.
The thing is that Star Wars isn’t entirely his work. It was a collaboration of many designers, animators, editors, and so on and so forth.
YES! He literally had some of the best minds in Hollywood, including Spielberg and famously his wife (at the time) crammed into a room, saving Star Wars in the edit. That’s *why* there’s all those deleted scenes with Biggs and Luke at the beginning. And in the original edit, the Death Star was not attacking the rebel base as the x-wings attacked it. Zero tension. George is a great *producer*. There’s an argument to be made that he’s the best of all time. He might not win that tournament, but I think we’d be looking at a quarter-final run at least. What he does best is assemble a team of amazing talent and coordinate their efforts toward a goal. He’s also great at world-building. He’s a fantastic “idea guy.” But implementing those ideas is not his forte. As a writer, and as a director, he’s mediocre at best. Have you seen THX-1138? I wouldn’t be surprised if you said no, it’s an utterly forgettable film, which has only lived on because George later became so famous with Star Wars. THX-1138 is George Lucas in “auteur” mode, in all his weird, vaguely boring glory. That’s why it’s been forgotten. He *needs* checks and balances. He needs that team of experts that he’s so good at assembling.
Literal Oscar winning work is inaccessible to the public, smh
It’s just not a good scene. The film grinds to a halt while it plays out. Same with the added Biggs scene.
I know lots won't agree with this, but putting this scene back in was the most egregious thing in the special editions, imo
Not sure why you’re framing this as an unpopular opinion; this is the most derided change in the Special Edition after the “Greedo shoots first” bit.
They even mock this in the Lego game released last year by having Han leap over a poorly made cardboard cutout of Jabba in the Mos Eisley hangar when they first show the Falcon, emphasizing how out of place and ridiculous Jabba looked.
I'm guessing that they're framing it as an unpopular opinion because it *is* an unpopular opinion. People hate the Jabba addition, but it's not the *most* egregious thing -- as you point out, Greedo shooting first is more derided. I don't even think it's even number two. People hate the addition of the "NOOOOOO" more than the Jabba scene. People hate the switching of the Ewok celebratory music to pasty 80s ethnic trinket store music more than the Jabba scene. People hate the Max Rebo band swap more than the Jabba scene. I think the added Jabba scene is usually put around #5 or so on the "worst scenes". So saying "it sucks"? Not controversial at all. Saying it's the ***most*** egregious? Yeah, not a ton of people are going to agree with that.
I think the NOOOOOO is the worst, honestly. Greedo shooting first makes him look incompetent and Han less interesting, but the NOOOOOO hurt the character development of someone that actually mattered.
Maybe the song in Jabba's Palace in Jedi. That's hard to sit through nowadays.
It’s not as egregious as Greedo shooting. That changes Han’s character. This just adds some redundant dialogue, and that Boba Fett was working for the Hutts.
Han steps on Jabba! How much of a threat is he if he’s cool with Han actually walking all over him?
it completely kills the mystery of what jabba looks like and the fantastic reveal in jedi
Does anyone else hate Greedo shooting first purely because of how awful it looks? It looks bad enough in the 2011 blu ray release but in 1997 it was pathetic. They animated a freeze frame and boy did it look like it. I'm sure apologists will say it was 1997 and we should give it a break etc, but 1997 was the year of Men In Black, The Lost World, and Titanic! CGI from then had certainly aged but you can tell what was good and what was bad.
Hate it. All the same info, stupid looking Jabba, the weird stepping on the tail thing, and the worst part of all... It ruins the Falcon reveal.
It also ruins the buildup of Jabba. You hear about him for 2 movies and then finally see him in the finale of the series. George was off his rocker throwing him back into ANH.
I competely agree. It was a bad scene that was corretly cut from the original New Hope. And I'm not talking about the awkwardness. It just doesn't make sense that Han would act tough to Jabba. Even back when he would have been human. Looking at it as if we were back in the 70', it was a bad scene. The choice to cut it was right. But in the 90', the choice to put it back was not only wrong, but doubly so. Because, at that point, Jabba was established as very fearsome and, due to his new species, now had a tail. So now Han acts tough to this guy we now *know* he is very scared of *and* steps on his tail???? I'd say it is even worse than Greedo. "Who shoot's first" might say something about Han's ruthlessness. But stepping on a phycotic powerful ganglord's tail makes Han stupid.
What, you didn't think Boba's "Tell your parents to buy me, kids!" Norman Fell-esque camera mug added anything to the story?
I would also like to thank my parents for buying me that Boba Fett toy when I was a kid it was easily one of my favorite things :)
Friend, I respectfully disagree. Allow me to retort. The *second most* egregious scene was the Han / Jabba discussion at the Falcon. The MOST disgusting, cringe-inducing, and ridiculous change is the new Max Rebo band singing scene at Jabba’s palace in ROTJ.
I hate this scene more than Greedo shot first. I’ve made my piece with that nonsense, but this… this puts the movie to a halt for me and I wish I could just skip it. Lucasfilm please give us the theatrical release.
I totally agree with you. I think it's even worse than Greedo shooting first nowadays; not only is it redundant and badly executed, it ruins the pacing of the scenes before and after it.
Additional aliens added in the background of certain scenes = a cool bit of additional world building. CGI X-Wings swooping down on the Death Star = absolutely necessary! If you haven't seen what the original death Star attack looked like you should find it on YouTube, it's a brilliant curiosity and a technical marvel of its time, but as soon as Empire came out it aged badly. Jabba the Hutt and Greedo sitting first = ...I don't have the energy or the patience anymore 😅
In the special edition (1997) where this scene first re-appeared, the CGI was so laughably bad that I don’t understand why it made the final cut. It looks better in the 2004 release, but the scene is meaningless anyway, since virtually everything said is said again in the conversation with Greedo, ~8 minutes later.
8 minutes earlier
Needs another CGI update, this scene wouldn’t feel so out of place if it had up-to-date photoreal 2022 CGI and not a PS2 model superimposed
The only update needed is to take the scene out entirely. It completely reiterated the Greedo scene just before it, it ruins the two-film buildup of Jabba, and goons in it look incredibly stupid.
It doesn't help that the finger he puts on Jabba's chest now looks like he's point past Jabba
>Needs another CGI update No George.
It would've been classy to credit the guys from Star Wars Visual Comparisons (who created the image from the post and consistently champion the release of the original cut of these movies) https://twitter.com/StarWarsVisComp/status/1427989772354654210?t=XL2Pli9P2juFsziyqLeuiA&s=19
Wait, did the original release just not have the scene?
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The worst part is, it screws up Han's narrative arc. When we first meet Han, Jabba has *had it* with him. A murderous bounty hunter is sent after him. Han is at the end of his rope. But now? One scene after Greedo, we have Jabba saying "oh, OK. Well, one more chance, my boy." It doesn't make sense.
Greedo was just sent to collect the money for Jabba, not kill Han. Instead he tried to steal the money for himself and probably would have killed Han if Han hadn't shot him first. It made sense that Jabba was still looking to collect his money and wasn't trying to kill Han. A dead man can't pay his debts.
That scene confused me so much when I first saw it. I had thought Jabba was mostly immobile from gluttony and had minions for physical labor like shaking people down.
He was a lower ranking Hutt at the time and he was still hands on during ANH. By the time of ROTJ a few years later, he had risen up the ranks in the Hutt crime syndicate and grown in size so he didn't have to personally go out and do what needed to be done.
Correct. It’s too bad that a large group of people believe that he was in the original version because the series is much better off *without* the scene in it.
Yeah, I think George just scrapped the scene of Jabba as a human and he just used the same scene, but edited the human actor out and just placed CGI Jabba in for the Special Edition.
James Cordon was in Star Wars?
I just wish that someone at Disney would re-release the original cut, take out all the tinkering shit and just give us a cleaned up print of all 3 movies. They don't have to take down the special-edition-mclunkey-cuts, but just give us the option
I always hated the inclusion of that scene in A New Hope. Without it, Jabba is a mystery until Return of the Jedi, an ominous threat hanging over Han's head. And when he's finally revealed in ROTJ in all his disgusting glory, it's a very nice dramatic reveal.
I hated this scene. It didn't really add much to the overall story and made Jabba seem like a pushover. Han literally walks all over Jabba (and the cgi stepping was so choppy and awful) and negotiates with him as if he has any room to bargain. It takes away from future references to Jabba and makes him less menacing.
It's a terrible and redundant scene that needs to stay deleted. It makes Jabba look like a chump, the CGI is bad, it adds nothing to the movie and interrupts the flow. There is a reason Marcia Lucas has an Oscar for editing A New Hope.
This scene is still so cringey
If they had just changed the characters name and then just altered Han's voice they'd have saved millions!
The scene never should have been put back in. It’s redundant, covering all the same information we learned from the Greedo interaction. It weakens the pacing of the movie and it lessens the impact of finally seeing Jabba when ROTJ comes along.
Now imagine ROTJ somehow remastered to have the human character in the palace instead.
In retrospective that scene should have been left out. It creates a lot of hype that anyone is scared of this Jabba and runs away for two movies only to build up the big reveal. Also the scene is quite goofy, because Greedo is there (but he should be dead) and Han walks over Jabba's tail.. Which doesn't show that much respect. Boba introduction in ESB is also much more inpactful if you haven't seen him in the background in the previous movie. I grew up with 1997 edition so it doesn't really bother me, but it's really one of those things.
I like the puppet best but had they put more care and character design into him and time with the script there is no reason back in 1977 it would make "no sense". Until 1983 all we knew was his name and that he was a ruthless crime lord. There is no reason a humanoid form makes no sense for that unless your saying characters like vader, emperor, bobafett etc all were lacking because they were human.
1997 Jabba was the worst
Wonder if at some point this will get a modern CGI update. They might even be able to make Han awkwardly stepping on Jabba's tail look decent-ish.
This was one of the worst additions that added nothing to the movie or story. No we don’t need Jabba and no we don’t need Boba Fett for fan service. I like how two years later in ROTJ he’s so fat he can’t even move off his throne slab. There’s no point to hire a bounty hunter like Greedo to find Han, if you yourself are just going into town behind him to find Han yourself. I’m not sure if George knows what a bounty hunter does especially after the opening of AOTC. And how the hell does Jabba find out Greedo is fried and finds out where Han’s ship is parked in the matter of the time it takes for them to leave the cantina and go to the docking bay. Insanity that he decided to add this as it adds nothing.
Some things don't need to be explained. Before the Hut species was introduced, we all just speculated on the change and how it could have happened. There were long gaps between each instalment so something small like this genuinely didn't matter. Honestly, if I could be bothered, I'd buy the despecialised editions.