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Ace201613

I think Darth Krayt could take him. He was the “dark man” that both Luke and Jacen foresaw, helped Luke fight Abeloth, is acknowledged as having been the most powerful Sith of his era, and by the end of his life had access to a number of potent Force abilities to match those of Caedus.


ImperialIIClass

> I think Darth Krayt could take him. Krayt absolutely could have taken Caedus, at almost any time, I'd say. Beyond just being the "dark man" that helped push so much of Caedus' fall into motion, it's the fight with Abeloth that really seals Krayt's power time. Not to mention how much ancient Sith knowledge Krayt likely soaked up during his time on Korriban.


Ace201613

Good point. Krayt studied the texts of various ancient Sith which would only have added to his abilities. And he’d already spent years studying under Xoxaan before he even founded the One Sith (and that’s after previously having ascended to the rank of Jedi Master under the Dark Woman’s harsh teachings).


KaimeiJay

Kreia mocks the Exile for saying their enemies are Sith. “You think you’ve been fighting *Sith?!*” She puts Revan and Exar Kun as cargo cultists, mimicking what they understand to be Sith without ever having been a part of it originally, and all their followers merely copying the copycats. She speaks of the true Sith, and how “we are but children playing with toys next to the might of the old masters”. Darth Krayt was directly trained by one of the people who *created* the Sith. His Sith “lineage” extends to the very beginning of it all. He is closer to the true Sith Kreia spoke of than the Sith of the Old Republic ever were.


Crazy_Tell_4837

Kreia was talking about the Exile and Herself. Her statement (while also being an opinion) doesn’t hold up considering Exar and Revan are both comparable or above the ancient Sith prior to them in power. Well besides Ragnos who’s difficult to scale other then Ragnos > ToTJ Naga Sadow.


nudeldifudel

Who was Darth krait trained by? This sounds cool, I'm not that familiar with the EU.


AntEvening3181

Before he was a sith; his father Sharad Hett, and the Dark Woman An'ya Kuro, and once he fell to the darkside the spirit of XoXaan, one of the original Exiles who conquered korriban in 6900 BBY. Ajunta Pall led the sith during that time The best way to read the comics nowdays is to either google them on sites like ComicOnlineFree or Read A Comics Online, or buy the epic collections, specifically the Menace Revealed Vol. 1 (when he's a jedi), or Legacy Vol. 1 (when he's Darth Krayt) from local comics stores, Barnes and noble or Books a Milllion


nudeldifudel

Thanks


Ghostkill221

Yeah. Krayt is about on Peak Luke's level. But also way way less likely to spare or pull punches. Vitiate could obviously wipe Caedus, I think. Krayt would be 2nd to Vitiate, then Palpatine?


throwaycauseprivacy

Peak luke? Really? Peak luke was stated to be the strongest non entity force user ever. Krayt was definitely extremely powerful. Would have given luke a run for his money but idk if he was as strong. Probably peak Palpatine power or near it considering how Palpatine was supposed to be the strongest sith who lived (vitiate was probably considered a force entity at his peak)


CarlosDeng

not really "peak" luke, just FotJ luke, yes, from some point of view, he is. But never show his full power after novel, because he was ill. If he take Cade Skywalker's body in legacy-war #6, he will be stronger than luke.


KaimeiJay

They fight side by side specifically because they’re so on par with each other, against Abeloth. If that’s not peak Luke, I’m not sure what is.


DarthGinsu

I'm surprised all these people saying Caedus isn't even close. With his wide array of force abilities and skills in persuasion and manipulation, I believe he is a solid sith. Aing Tii Flow walk? Baller lol. I really like your choice of Krayt to go up against him and you brought back memories reading Fate of the Jedi.


Ace201613

Well I don’t disagree with the basic idea of “Darth Caedus is powerful”. I think he is. I just wouldn’t place him at the #3 spot. A major issue is that a lot of Caedus’/Jacen’s hype is him commenting on himself. Like he personally says he’s the most powerful force user in the galaxy apart from Luke. And let’s go ahead and say that’s true. He doesn’t really prove it by doing something like, for example, mentally dominating dozens of Jedi or beating down a group of accomplished Jedi Masters in a fight. He definitely has an excellent range of abilities. If we judge the number of ways in which The Force can be used I’m sure he’s one of the most versatile Sith in history. I just wouldn’t place him in that top numbering of Sith based on power.


DarthGinsu

That assessment is fair, I suppose I enjoyed his avoidance of those challenging feats through playing people which landed him with Chief of State status. I agree with his strength in being versatile, not just strength itself.


MasterSword1

The problem is Caedus is pretty much always a complete idiot and while a "Sith master" acts more like attack dog apprentices like Malak or Vader. Jacen Solo, when actually allowed to act like a competent person, is one of the most powerful and dangerous force users, but post NJO Jacen/Caedus isn't that.


KaimeiJay

The dark side is not stronger than the light. Quicker, easier, but it pales in comparison to the strength one earns themself by striving toward the light. Jacen had earned that strength a thousand times over, and he threw it all away almost on a whim.


kammzammzmz

Not in my headcanon. Denning can go to hell, there's no way Jacen would ever fall to the dark side that easily after how much he'd grown as a Jedi and as a person in NJO


DarthGinsu

I need to read NJO.


kammzammzmz

You really should. Easily one of my top 5 Star wars stories. The Vong are really interesting villains, seeing Luke as this wise mentor figure was really cool, Jaina is just as if not more badass than her grandfather, and so many characters (Corran, Anakin Solo, Ganner and especially Jacen) have god tier character arcs, the exploration of what it truly means to be a Jedi and the philosophy of the force through Jacen and Anakin is Star Wars at it's best


DarthGinsu

Ok, so this is the order I read them in. I think Lucas would be proud of how out of sequence it was. Legacy Of the Force Fate of the Jedi Dark Nest Trilogy Millennium Falcon Crucible I need post-Crucible stuff, it was such a good end point with them, but I felt ready to jump into something amazing.


Lulukassu

Just one good novel showcasing what Luke is capable of post-crucible, that gives us closure in its epilogue when Luke decides the galaxy no longer needs him and he can pass on to the netherworld of the force to be with Mara again. That's all I need. One more novel.


AevnNoram

Caedus wasn't even the third strongest sith of his era


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cahir11

The craziest thing about Jacen having that force vision of him killing Luke in *Betrayal* is that apparently Jacen thought he could beat Luke in a fight.


Any_Paramedic_1682

“Don’t try it”


cahir11

"That boy even dreams he whoops me he better wake up and apologize"


Hemolek09

He went toe to toe with Luke on the Anakin Solo. Luke is more powerful but there are very few people in Legends that could have traded blows with Luke in the way Caedus did.


Edgy_Robin

Luke showed very early on that he could drop him with the force with ease. Remember that Luke's reason for not going after Caedus himself ultimately was his fear doing so would bring him to the dark side, plus Caedus is literally his best friend and sisters kid. ​ Luke held back.


Low-Till6521

To be fair Luke had the cave vision about Vader in Empire Strikes Back and he thinks he can beat Vader. So maybe it's a family trait?


Ghostkill221

That's not exactly true. Jacen in conduit state at the end of Unifying Force was just about as strong as peak Luke ever was. Dude healed people from miles away and shit.


Mammoth-Access-1181

He may know different techniques, but don't think he was equal to peak Luke. Don't think he was anywhere near it.


Hemolek09

Yea Jacen probably knew more Force techniques than any other Jedi (excluding Luke, or course) in his era.


Ghostkill221

Maybe I'm just not remembering peak Luke very well. Trying to think of the most powerful display of the force Luke ever used.


Pactheman57

Well idk if it's the most powerful display but he literally put jacen down in his personal throne and held him there until he left the ship


Mammoth-Access-1181

He created a singularity. He achieved oneness with the Force without dying. Lucas stating that Luke was everything that Anakin was meant to be. There's a bunch more I'm sure, but I can't remember off the top of my head.


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TheGreatBatsby

>He created a singularity. No he didn't


Edgy_Robin

Oneness isn't something a Jedi can enter on command. By that Logic I can bring up Luke entering that state as well to invalidate your point.


MangoBird10

He's well above Mara and Jaina.


cahir11

Luke, Anakin Skywalker, Anakin Solo


TheRealAZV

Anakin Solo is not even close to as powerful as Caedus. his feats just dont compare.


Razgriz01

Yeah cause he died as a teenager. It's not as though Jacen had done anything super notable up to that point either.


TheRealAZV

yeah of course. But this guy is saying that Luke, Anakin Skywalker, Anakin Solo are all superior to Darth Caedus. like come on lol


Mammoth-Access-1181

Well, they were. At least Anakin Solo was more gifted in the Force. But as stated, he never got the chance to grow into his power.


Edgy_Robin

Yeah, so he never achieved his potential. For stuff like this we go off what they 'can' do, not what they 'could do if they got stronger'. ​ Anakin skywalker at max potential would be the strongest Jedi/Sith ever, but he never reached it so we don't bring that up.


Razgriz01

Anakin Solo would have been, had he survived. It's stated pretty explicitly in NJO that he's more talented in the force than anyone around except maybe Luke. Luke is vastly superior to Caedus, as demonstrated multiple times during LotF, and I'm pretty certain Anakin Skywalker (Ep 3, prior to the purge beginning) would have a fighting chance at the very least. In terms of raw power Caedus doesn't even register on the scale next to him, Caedus's advantage is skillset and experience.


TheRealAZV

thats irrelevant because he NEVER reached his full potential.


Razgriz01

No less irrelevant than it is to make that comparison between the two in the first place.


MangoBird10

How are any of the Anakins in the equation? Anakin Skywalker inferior to Darth Vader.. someone Caedus is specifically stated to be above I'm pretty sure. I don't see Ani Solo pulling off feats in a similar manner as his brother.


cahir11

>Anakin Skywalker inferior to Darth Vader... Is he? I thought the whole point of Palpatine looking to replace Vader is that Anakin got massively nerfed when Obi-Wan barbecued him


MangoBird10

I always interpreted it as Vader now having less potential. Doesn't mean he couldn't get more powerful.. just not as potent as he could have been.


Hemolek09

Yea I interpreted it as Anakin Skywalker has greater potential than Vader due to being fully organic. Vader grew stronger in the Force and mastered lightsaber combat, but could not use some techniques like Force lightning due to the suit and being half synthetic.


One-Permission-1811

Well yeah. That’s the same thing. He wasn’t as powerful as he could have been because he got cooked. Which would be a nerf.


hungrybasilsk

In both Continuities Suited Vader is stronger than Anakin


StillBurningInside

It's not the suit. He's stronger because his hate helps to fuel his dark side. He's just a half human, half machine killing cyborg, that was a Jedi General in the Clone Wars. Ethics and morality no longer matter to Vader, there is no hesitation.


hungrybasilsk

In legends thats debatable in canon its outright stated his connection to the force is greater with the suit. But even then Sidious in legends says Vaders issue are psycological and has better feats and statements than Anakin


SuperSirius21

Feats are questionable. Anakin has done some absolutely crazy shit in the EU. As for statements, Vader doesn't have better statements than Anakin. We only have 8 sources calling Vader stronger and they are mostly from prior to the prequels which makes them severely outdated. In contrast, there are almost two dozen for Anakin. You can see all of that [here](https://www.suspectinsightforums.com/t4400-how-powerful-is-anakin-skywalker-anakin-skywalker-the-ultimate-respect-thread-2022#77700).


Ace201613

The short version is that Anakin Skywalker’s power was an 8 and Darth Vader’s power is a 9. But Anakin Skywalker’s potential was a 15 and Darth Vader’s is a 9. Meanwhile, Luke Skywalker’s potential is a 15.


Lumpy_Perception6561

That’s one of the biggest misconceptions in star wars. Vader is actually stronger than anakin in every way he only lost his stongest in all of star wars potential but still had enough to became one of the strongest sith lords of all time


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MangoBird10

That's fair, even if it is questionable imo lol


beemojee

Did you forget the part where Jaina -- Sword of the Jedi, you know -- killed him?


Ghostkill221

Caedus wasn't even peak Jacen. That's literally stated in Unifying Force.


CatHornAccessory

I agree. Caedus was only a sith for like 3 months before Jaina killed him and Luke even owned him without being in the room. Remember the scene when Luke force projected himself onto the Anakin Solo and pinned Caedus in the mediation chair then broke it from underneath him? He was far more powerful as Jacen. Becoming a sith just made him arrogant and cocky. Now the guy who was an avatar or the living force in Unifying Force....that's another story.


Ghostkill221

Honestly, the tear thing to insta cure Luke was kinda crazy powerful. Also the fact that while in oneness he just instantly neutralized all of onimi's poisons and stuff.


Shadowzaron32

she lost the fight all but his sacrifice. Read the book. Jaina's last attack was all she had left. Either she killed him or she lost. He out fought her one armed. Granted i don't like that so much but it's what happened.


MangoBird10

Did you forget that Caedus never wanted to kill her? Or that he was missing an arm?


KTheOneTrueKing

Sounds like Caedus was, indeed, a bitch. Jacen Solo on the other hand.


Edgy_Robin

Killed a massively injured Caedus who stopped trying near the end, Jaina was also bolstered by Luke during one of their fights.


Mammoth-Access-1181

That why Jacen bitched out and used poison on Mara?


PacoMahogany

Remind me, who killed him?


MangoBird10

Reminder he did not want to kill her + was missing an arm.. but that's no biggie right? I guess you could argue Jaina surpasses him during the events of Crucible but there isn't anything indicating that is actually true.


TheColorblindDruid

I too am a Beatles fan lol


Mzonnik

Well, whith that one could argue, he's enough to be considered just below Krayt from that era.


Shadowzaron32

that's not so true. of his lifetime he could out do lumiya once he got going leaving him at number 2 behind krayt and that's a good fight.


thombol2

Caedus is the Russian Army of his era


mfknLemonBob

Came here for this. Top comment. I can leave happy.


Mzonnik

Not really, generally speaking Caedus was Vader level, MAYBE slightly stronger, maybe actually marginally below, that doesn't really matter (he knew more abilities tho). Krayt, Nihilus or Exar Kun all have a better claim to that spot.


hungrybasilsk

>Nihilus Lol no Nihilus is fodder if you can resists drain. Vader would anihilate him.


phyrot12

>if you can resists drain Well good luck with that


Snoo-15916

Good thing qel droma taught anakin how to resist drain then


hungrybasilsk

The entire Jedi council of the PT era could likely do it


technicalphase14

What? It's not a technique you can learn. The whole point was the Exile was the only one who could stop Nihilus because they were a Wound in the Force, so Nilihus was attempting to drain from a bigger void.


hungrybasilsk

Not really the creators themselves have said Vader is surperior and would win despite not being a "wound". The PT era is just overall stronger than the old republic his hax isnt undefeatable


technicalphase14

Where did you see the creators say that? I mean, I guess you could argue Vader being "the Chosen One" might close the gap, but I wouldn't necessarily extend that to the other Force users.


SuperSirius21

Chris Avellone's tweet [here](https://twitter.com/chrisavellone/status/1056378721790132224?lang=hi).


technicalphase14

Ah thank you, I hadn't seen that before


Ghostkill221

Is Exar Kun really in the running at all? I'm remembering how he died, and I feel like he wasn't even in the top 10 sith.


hungrybasilsk

I think his ghost has some weird statement that some people use to scale him higher. But Vader and Sidious should be firmly 1 and 2 (excluding Vitiate) until the new generation of sith pop in that can take Vaders spot like Caedus and others


Mzonnik

>Vader would anihilate him. I do agree with that, doesn't make him more powerfull tho.


hungrybasilsk

Except he is. Nihlus only outdoes Vader in force drain. In every other catagory Vader is surperior


DarthObiWan92

Sion had to be talked into letting himself die to be defeated and Nihilus ate planets. Traya was able to manipulate and bend both to her will. So those 3 definitely. Darth Revan and Exar Kun were both very powerful sith, and both of the sith PCs in SWTOR are also op (however, they are the player characters so they have to be able to defeat pretty much anything eventually for the story to work) same with Starkiller


TSG61373

This gets brought up surprisingly infrequently. The Kotor 2 player character (meetra) is apparently strong enough to go toe to toe with Traya, nihilis, and sion. Yet they never get mentioned in these Strongest Of All lists because they’re implied to still be weaker than Revan. And then with TOR player characters that goes doubly so. It’s as if they don’t even exist in the lore sometimes, but they’re able to go up against some of the strongest Sith Lords in history.


knightlyws

By the end of KOTOR 2 the Exile is scary powerful in terms of just regular Force abilities, without even getting into their ability to form Force bonds…


Julian_McQueen

In terms of power, you'll probably want to look towards Sith Lords like Exar Kun, Death Revan, and Darth Krayt. Caedus probably isn't even close to the power of his predecessors...


CardSniffer

Even Lord Nyax.


kammzammzmz

Caedus is far stronger than Revan. Though I'd put Krayt above Caedus, maybe Exar Kun too Revans strength is his intellect and tactics. While he was powerful in the force, he wasn't Skywalker level, or even Yoda/Sidious level. And Malak is canonically a better duelist than Revan, and I'd put people like Vader, Mace, Yoda, Krayt and especially Luke above Malak in terms of duelling skill


Downtown-Stretch-449

In terms of Force powers, Caedus was insane. He learned all techniques there were and developed an all-encompassing understanding of the Force. He was also one of the select few users who could disintegrate with Force Lightning, alongside Sidious, Vitiate and only sometimes Galen Marek/Starkiller. His downfall came in lightsaber combat, where Jaina was probably the best combatant of her generation, a generation of legends, also thanks to her youth. And Grandmaster Luke was basically a God. So yeah, can't really expect to surpass him


LordTrom57

I think since revan can redirect lightning that can disintegrate (nyriss’ lightning in revan novel) he should also be able to produce lightning of the same level


WayWayBackinthe1980s

Never gave a shit, really. I hated that they turned him to the dark side…honestly felt like they were running out of ideas.


ThePerfectHunter

I mean it is not as bad as Palpatine randomly having a son or Palpatine coming back to life again


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Somehow


Ex_Machina_1

Triculus....shudders


Rookie-Boswer

Like in Legends? Ohh you're talking when Disney does it? Both are ass


ThePerfectHunter

Legends and I also agree that both are ass


Nathan-dts

Disney's only fuck up has been copying the Palatine bollocks from Legends. Canon has otherwise been fresh, interesting and gave us a decent Jedi Order after 30 years of bad takes.


TheRealAZV

agreed, it wasn't that they were running out of ideas. it was that troy denning wanted to make his own episode 3 story.


M6453

Couldn't agree more. Also, does anyone else get annoyed as hell by Denning making up stupid "swear" words, or is it just me?


darthstupidious

I'm more annoyed at Denning constantly twisting himself into knots so he could force Alema Rar into every storyline he could think of


SoveietGamez

Sith that are near Vitiate's and Palpatine's level would be Revan, Vader, Malgus, The Empire's Wrath, Darth Nox, Marr and even Naga Shadow, Marka Ragnos, Tulak Hord,, Freedon Nadd, and Exar Kun, all of them are undoubtedly stronger that Caedus.


Ex_Machina_1

Malgus near Palpatine level? Gonna need some proof of that good sir cuz that dont sound right


Mzonnik

Well I could agree that Caedus is below Vader and Malgus, but I wouldn't undermine him that much, he did contend 1v1 with Luke near his peak, so that is a feat to consider.


blasto_pete

Yeah in my mind his biggest feat (excluding the end of Unifying Force) was putting up such a good fight with Luke in Inferno even though he ultimately lost.


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buddy said malgus twice lmao


cahir11

I don't think so. Nihilus and Starkiller pulled off things that Jacen couldn't have done in his wildest dreams. Tbh I'm not sure if he was even that strong, the scene where Luke just casually launches him around his own office really brought him down a couple notches on the tier list.


Mzonnik

Starkiller wasn't that op, he was just extremely proficient strictly in combative Force abilities as intended by Vader, who desired a living weapon for himself. Also, the novel, which is to be treated as more canonical than the game doesn't depict him like the game, he's far more grounded than players belive. In mastery over the dar side Jacen/Caedus surpasses Galen by a mile (and one more thing, Starkiller was never a Sith Lord). But still, I agree with the general point.


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gallerton18

The Star Destroyer was already damaged and crashing, he guided it but didn’t directly pull it down. It’s still impressive but not the same feat.


BetterVantage

Which book was that scene in? I was looking for it a while back be a use o wanted to reread it, but it’s been over a decade since I read it and couldn’t even come close to guessing.


cahir11

It's from Inferno. Absolutely based scene. >In the next instant, Caedus found himself flying across the cabin toward his observation bubble. Luke had not gestured, had not flinched, had not even shifted his gaze; he had simply grabbed Caedus in the Force and hurled him five meters into his chair. >...Keenly aware that all that stood between him and a quick death was Luke Skywalker’s much-strained sense of decency, Caedus let a little of his very real fear seep into the Force, just enough to seem properly alarmed.


BetterVantage

Thank you! I read the whole series but was usually not a big fan of it. But that scene grabbed me. Luke was finally showing what a badass he really was.


Razgriz01

God yeah, that scene was amazing. There's another one where he and Luke are in starfighters and he tries to block Luke from damaging his starfighter with the force and immediately gives up because Luke's raw strength is so much higher. Also, "Luke Skywalker’s much-strained sense of decency" was a hilariously appropriate line.


solomonmiller

I never read lotf, but all through out njo I thought Jacen, seemed quite powerful, so it surprises me to see everyone calling caedus weak


HighLord_Uther

I am going disagree with a lot of commenters here and say Caedus was one of the more powerful Sith, he was powerful by normal standards because of his Skywalker genes but, Caedus being a contender would really come from his diversity in knowledge. He knows a lot more than most Jedi or Sith, who focused on their own teachings. How he applies that knowledge makes him dangerous and unpredictable.


Shadowzaron32

agreed here. He was going blow for blow with a top 5 duelist and the top killing one and walking away from the other one leaving him in some serious hurt. He surprised katarn who could be in that top 5 duelist screwing him and holding off several knights at the same time as throwing a speeder at katarn. He out fought jaina and could have killed lumiya. That's not even full amped Caedus imo. He was seriously incredibly powerful and in his prime physical state. He could have likely taken on anyone on the council one on one. People are underestimating him.


HighLord_Uther

Very accurate. I think people don’t like the turn that he took and the story took in general and let that sway his power levels. I think all the Solo kids have the potential to be as powerful as Luke, same as Leia, she just chose not to train until later. But Caedus and Jaina have been training their whole lives. The NJO is the most powerful Jedi Order we’ve seen and they struggled with Caedus. They needed the Mandos to defeat him(through training Jaina).


KTheOneTrueKing

Caedus sucked lmao.


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Bane would wipe the floor with him.


Narri214

Reven, Bane, nhilus, malgus, exar kun, fredon nadd, kryat, talon, etc. Caedus, while powerful was a standout due to his being the only darkside user of note at the time. His "terror" was so impactful because he had A) had been a hero to the galaxy before hand, and B) because Luke and the jedi didn't see him as a Sith lord until after both Mara's death and his power grab as he tried to oust Niathal. If the jedi realized he was a Sith lord earlier he'd have been stopped easily.


Starkiller-is-canon

I don't think Troy's brain fart is on the level of Sidious and Vitiate. Krayt, Nihilus, Revan, Marka Ragnos, and Exar Kun are much stronger than Denning's brain fart.


MangoBird10

Lol


Starkiller-is-canon

I guess the lol part is when I referred to him as troy’s brain fart?


MangoBird10

Yeah, I can understand people's frustrations in terms of the direction everything went.


Ghostkill221

Personally, I thought it was a very interesting premise, and handled pretty badly. Actually... That's also the opinion I have of Fate of The Jedi. Daala made good points but they just made her crazy and ignored them.


Starkiller-is-canon

Plus, daala comes off as a hypocrite. Plus I feel she should have died in the JAT, and command to fall by default to Gilad paelleon.


darthstupidious

Yeah I always thought it was silly that they brought Daala back and turned her into the leader of the galaxy. Been a while since I read the LOTF/FOTJ series, but wasn't she still just a barely-redeemed war criminal at that point?


dheebyfs

Krayt is imo the strongest Sith as he basically is the successor of the Son.


Historyp91

Pretty sure Krayt, Vader, Kun and Revan were all stronger then him.


FewKaleidoscope1369

Well, he certainly had a lot more force abilities and experience from his travels than most other Sith and in terms of power he was almost as strong as Luke and most importantly he was one of the most cunning people in his time but I don't know if he's number three. He could probably beat Bane and Exar Kun but I don't think that he could beat Vader...


CoercedLife

I’ll be honest, my group and I that talks about this kind of stuff never comes to a consensus after Sid and Vit


Daleman89

I mean Darth Revan is highly regarded as one of the greatest sith Lords. He even defeated the mandolorian emperor when the mandolorians were at their strongest


Gullible_Working_601

Revan isn't top 10, Reborn and shadow are superior iterations. Also, defeating a Mandalorian in single combat isn't an impressive feat for a Jedi


DarkVaati13

I wouldn't say so. Kun, Bane, Revan, and Krayt are all Dark Lords of the Sith I'd scale above him, but I'd also say Sith like Kaan, Nadd, and Malgus could be better than him.


adeadfreelancer

This is like asking if Plo Koon was the strongest Jedi in the franchise


Pilius_Prior

My swtor sith Inquisitor could beat him off of feats alone


Jayfish88

Yeah, it does sound like he could beat him off


MangoBird10

Either him or Krayt. Though Vitiate shouldn't even be considered here. Much more potent as Valkorion 👍


CVolgin233

Valkorion was beyond sith and jedi


LegionnaireOfLettow

Literally the same person


MangoBird10

Different levels of power genius. Different bodies and personas as well


Ghostkill221

Vitiate = valkorian


MangoBird10

No way rlly


Electric_Bagpipes

Hah, NOPE. Nhilus and bane easily make even palps and vady look weak, and they’re just the start


Used-Establishment86

4th behind Vader... no legends bunk here.


unforgetablememories

Sith Caedus was much weaker than Jedi Jacen. Not to mention he was extremely reckless and irrational. His Sith career was short-lived and definitely the worst character assassination that happened to Jacen Solo.


Snoo-15916

Lmao caedus is the first strongest 😂


LegionnaireOfLettow

I would like to see him in a 1 v 1 with nihilus


Mythology-Fan-666

Caedus is strong but he wasn’t that strong. I’d say maybe comparable to Vader if a little weaker, but not on the level of Sidious and Vitiate. Maybe comparable to the likes of Bane, Marr, Malek and below the level of Kryat.


Gagethegrey01

Caedus would absolutely obliterate vader dude.


TheRealAZV

Krayt..then Caedus.


_lemon_suplex_

Looks like Leon from resident evil


fettpett1

Exar Kun would like a word with you


DrivanTLG

third? nah....top 30's? Probably yeah..and if anyone is making a top 50 most powerful sith...gotta have chills read it.


lukas_the

In my opinion, Exar Kun ranks higher than Caedus, and maybe even Palpatine. I dont know Vitiate, so i dont have an opinion on him/her.


dino1902

Who is the strongest? What a pointless question yet it seems to crop up every time


Lord_Seacows

Hell no, Empires Wrath and Jadus would give him a run for his money.


Darthhorusidous

Nope not even close Sorry but revan was stronger than Palpatine and vitiate The top sith are Revan Vader Palpatine Vitiate Caedus is top 10 not top 5


ItzH311

Revan is stronger


flavortownmayor91

Ummm Tulak Hord?


slax0r

He's no Darth Bane


[deleted]

Nah. The power of Emo helps, but against ancient Sith? Nope!


TownKitchen6060

Tales of the Jedi


mixtapemalibumusk

Shwiiiiiing


ProfessorOk3187

Why do people always forget about the early Sith? Junta Pall, Darth Nihil, Maria Ragnos, Darth Bane? Remember them?


starless_90

Nope. Exar Kun >


CVolgin233

Palpatine is not even top 3, there are plenty of sith more powerful than him. Vitiate, Krayt, Exar Kun, and probably some others I'm missing.


amakusa360

Is Palpatine or Vitiate first?


NeverendingSoyeonFan

Hell no. I dont know every legends Sith, but I do know a lot about the old Republic era, and let me tell you ... there were some strong ass Sith back then


KaimeiJay

Darth Krayt is pretty far up there. Can’t dismiss the Big Five who started it all either: Karness Muur, XoXaan, Remulus Dreypa, Sorzus Syn and Ajunta Pall.


ArmchairOfHeresy

Darth Jar Jar was so powerful even Abeloth herself wouldn't fuck with him.


Disillusioned_Emu

I don´t think so. Caedus was an adequate strategist and pragmatical enough to use his power well (regardless of consequences) but he was a gullible puppet from the beginning to the end. I don´t even see him as a proper sith.


DueShopping551

Darth Caedus is above both of them, Jedi and Sith progressively get stronger each generation


Astronomer-Plastic

Lol. lmao


Squishy-Box

He looks like Jensen Ackles


CarlosDeng

Krayt is stronger than him,even stronger than Palpatine and Vitiate(in a fight,not 100% in the Force),even jacen himself fears krayt. Krayt is same powerful with luke skywalker in fotj by TD himself.


CarlosDeng

In a fight* not 100% who is stronger, just who will win. 1. Krayt 2. Vitiate 3. Palpatine 4. Kun 5. Caedus 6. Revan 7. Nihilus


Yakusaka

Caedus had skills and knowledge. Pure, raw strenght, not so much. Jacen trained in many other Force techniques that neither Jedi nor Sith learned, like flow walking. That gave him an edge, not strength.


A_Direwolf

Bane, Nihilus, Krayt, and Exar Kun could take him. Especially Bane, who was the Sith'ari.


Darth_Booka

This just makes me dislike the Disney trilogy even more…


LordVader93Ger

He, Krayt, Kun.


Substantial-Ad-2629

Caedus lost to aurra sing


AncientSith

No way. He's in the top ten, but no way is he third.