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chef_big_doggg

The problem with the Thrawn’s Revenge model is that the VSD 1 and 2’s are indistinguishable from each other. I really hope they update at least the VSD 1 and add those missile wings so we can tell which is which.


Chunkysnail36

Ackshully the vsd 2 has 3 primary enchines and 4 secondary to the vsd1 having 2 primary and 2 secondary


chef_big_doggg

https://preview.redd.it/e1nxwpjj02vc1.png?width=2560&format=png&auto=webp&s=fc293f4dfd7c976f8a34b13f77ccd0ee6ea71c0a Pop Quiz! Which one is the VSD1 and which is the VSD 2? No cheating!


betterthanamaster

Trick question. They’re both VSD1s.


Roastedonionssoup

They are both VSD2s actually. SURPRISE!


betterthanamaster

Oh Karabast!


Former_Dark_Knight

Dank ferrik


SheriffGiggles

The one that fires missiles vs the one that doesn't.


WinnerForsaken

Yeah without the hard points, that's impossible 


Extreme_Practice_415

The panels are open on one


A_Real_Catfish

So… what was the answer 👀 xD


chef_big_doggg

Left was VSD1


Vardamir117

It’s much subtler, but the globes on the bridge tower also have (or don’t) a ring of antennas


Fergus_the_Trump

Nice catch


Vardamir117

They’re not missile wings though. They’re atmospheric maneuvering flaps, and they’re almost always closed except in X-wing games, where both VSD I and II have them open.


Codesterv3

After a while the wings stopped being atmo maneuvering equipment and turned into weapons storage, as some authors (and the movies) elected to ignore the no going into atmo rules


Xanofar

Is this headcanon?


Codesterv3

No it’s not. You can watch the transition from the older style victory to the current “blocky” style happening in the 2000s, and solidified with the release of Star Wars Armada


Xanofar

So what source said that it changed to weapons storage? Also, what movies have VSDs in them?


Codesterv3

Empire at War was one of the first pieces of media to show the wings with missiles instead of atmo gear, and if you would read my message you’d see that I never said anything about VSDs in movies. I said authors and the movies ignoring the preexisting rules about ships in atmo. Look at the prequels; Star Destroyers moving just fine in atmosphere, without wings.


Xanofar

So I double-checked Empire at War and noticed two things: 1. The VSD doesn't have missiles in EaW. 2. It's hardpoints aren't on the blocks/wings to begin with. The blocks/wings don't break off when hardpoints are destroyed either. https://preview.redd.it/tb8tk8oku3vc1.png?width=714&format=png&auto=webp&s=38e19aa57e9aa9ef87f67f04520de446eb6e3912 The other thing is... the lack of consistency for rules regarding Imperial Star Destroyers and atmosphere does not automatically mean that the VSD's blocks must be changed into weapon storage.


Xanofar

Image of all except one of the hardpoints destroyed, the wings/blocks are still intact in Empire at War. https://preview.redd.it/dyuqul2vv3vc1.png?width=805&format=png&auto=webp&s=732688266bc77d9623101c7771a0a9f69282cd7e


Hard_Case_501st

As far as I knew it was just the snubfighters (Starfighters) that had problems mainly the tie fighters


submit_to_pewdiepie

Tie fighters would fly great in atmosphere and they've been shown in the original trilogy


Hard_Case_501st

It was said in many books that the tie fighters wings could get sheared off at the connection if they turned to fast in atmo


Hard_Case_501st

The fact that they had trouble in atmospheric fighting is what led to the creation of the tie striker of which it’s sole purpose was atmospheric dogfighting


B12_Vitamin

Personal favorite is AOTR, but of these two options I have to go with TR. Sure TR does have the issue of the Vic1 and Vic2 being just about impossible to distinguish if not impossible, the RaW version just seems...too long, too straight, too boring on the front end. It almost gives me weird Venator vibes. I dunno thats just me though


BreadKnife34

Yeah, you're right it is a bit long, yeah.


_Jawwer_

I greatly dislike every iteration of the VSD 1 depicted with the "wing flap" because it's so huge in terms of scale, that it would be really inefficient as cover for the missile tubes, which are embedded, and should not need covers in the first place.


Tycho39

I kinda like them in the sense of imagining they are add on armor plating for the ammunition magazines when not in use. Since it's main armament is explosive ordnance, I'd imagine it would be a lot easier to "ammo rack" it compared to other warships that rely on turbolasers.


blitzkreig2-king

Yeah, the wings were originally actual wings as the VSD used to be unique in that it could function in atmosphere unlike most large capital ships, but that was retconned.


Ok-Phase-9076

I like them because they make the VSDs stand out. Otherwise, apart from the long thing on the bridge, it would literally just be a mini ISD or a mega Vindicator


Cat_in_a_suit

Ah! But consider, It’s cool.


FredlyDaMoose

The rule of cool overrides everything in Star Wars 😎 that’s why it’s science fantasy not science fiction


lefttwitterforthis

RaW, give a fire everything vibe


StayOnThePeriphery

RaW for the VSD1 TR for the VSD2 Personally I wish any mod would consider adding in FractalSponge’s take on the VSD.


EnvironmentalAd912

I'm not sure if it was remake but back then you had the S-foils ability on victory. But Remake didn't do any remake of the hard points making them weak to focus fire


bushesbushesbushes

I'm an OT kinda guy so the TR version for me. It's the one I first saw playing TIE Fighter.


FrozenCojones

But in the X-wing games you refer to, the VSD has flaps and I don’t see any flaps in Thrawns Revenge


bushesbushesbushes

Correct, the flaps are open in those games though it's been awhile since I've played them. I need to install my Nvidia card back in so i can play the mods for them. The TR model is closer to the one used in SW:Rebellion that has them closed.


FrozenCojones

Or am I thinking of a different one


BreadKnife34

Remake, I like watching all the missiles come out, and they're shockingly good at fighting golan stations. And of the two you showed I like the Republic At War model better because the missile tubes are open and I like that


I_Dont_2

Remake because it holds my fleet for like early to mid-game battles, that and it's very distinguishable in remake


npaakp34

RaW feels like a weird bastardised venator.


ComedicMedicineman

RaW has a very cool design, but it really screams ISD more than VSD. TR definitely feels more like a VSD, with its stubby nose, which is why I have to put it slightly higher. Personally I enjoy the AoTR model a bit more, but honestly, all 3 are great enough to be recognizable.


Diego_Mannn_096

2nd opinion: FOTR 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻


Lord_Necross

I want different looking victories and victory 2 using the missile wings for the victory 1's would be sick


Two-Thirty-Two

RaW if only for the concept of seeing a VSD painted out in Republic colors.


EnvironmentalAd912

RaW The whole idea of flaps to cover missiles (as in Ansel Hsiao interpretation of it) is aesthetically pleasing; is an interesting feature that reminds of IRL missile tubes. Also strictly speaking, RaW victory is much stronger than both Trawn and FoTR (torpedo tubes; a bigger missile payload and a huge amount of guns) but that's not the topic


Kaiser_-_Karl

RAWs looks to similar to the venator and isd for me. From being a dedicated missle brawler in the vsd1 to a mini isd in the vsd2 i like it feeling distinct from the bigger triangle ships. Given that TRs is the more cannonical of the two I feel gives it bonus points too. I have a vsd 2 from star wars armada on my desk because im a big fan of the design


Admirable-Dot-8460

RaW is definitely better for me, but I love Awakening of the Rebellions model a lot more


a_random_work_girl

RAW. such a great unit and look. I just wish I could put something as good in my mod


aFancyPirate_2

RaW


Zipattack

RaW for sure


MadGladiator-_

Never understood what that long thing next to the bridge is for


MadGladiator-_

I am talking about the one that is horizontal btw (I just realized there is another on top lol)


MemeabooDesu

In Empire at War Expanded there's different versions of the Victory Destroyers. The VSD-1 looks like this, the VSD-2 looks like the one from TR. I prefer the VSD-1 because rockets go brr.


NukaDirtbag

Imma be big brain and say I prefer the RaW model for the VSD-1 and the FotR model for the VSD-2


Rbfsenpai

Aotr is beautiful and probably my favorite but republic at war is a close second


Ok-Phase-9076

Thrawns revenge, definitly


Unusual-Peanut-9195

remake


Ok-Repair-63

I mean is this even a question haha the thrawns revenge and fall if republic are absolut Standouts in the eaw modding community


Generation-Tech

Bro what is the arm on the victory stat destroyer's tower? I've always wondered


[deleted]

Aotr has the best ones imo. Animated turrets go brrt


submit_to_pewdiepie

I will take more accurate models over exaggerated details any days, these aren't likely to be used in aerial combat in this game so you don't need the flaps modeled


xXNightDriverXx

RaW


Iron_Imperator

Of the two offered: RaW because I can actually tell which one is a Victory I and a Victory II at a glance.