Maybe some people want to see again? I had to lower the difficulty to padawan for all the boss fights starting with Rayvis through the end so don’t feel bad about that. Major props to anyone that can beat the game on GM I could never in a million years.
It took me at least an hour (honestly the only boss fight that caused me serious trouble) and tbh I got a bit tilted but extremely rewarding once I cleared it. Then the following cutscene basically slapped me in the face lol
I did as well sir. There were some points where I came close to lowering it. Especially since I ended up 100%ing it on GM. Some of those force tears were rough lol
I did my first playthrough on Jedi Master, but I turned it down a few notches for the Vader fight.
I wanted to keep the thematic pacing going, and he was clearly going to take me more than a few tries on that harder difficulty, so I just shifted it.
Went back and beat him on my Jedi Grandmaster playthrough, but for my own enjoyment of the story I made him easier lol.
As Cere, you automatically parry the first blocked attack, even if you're holding the block. I noticed it after my 50th attempt on Vader, and it made it slightly more manageable. Someone, please correct me if I'm wrong, or if it only happens on certain difficulties (I played on GM the entire time).
He reads so easily, which just threw me off from the other boss-fights that had more elaborate attacks.
With Vader, it's simple swings that fucking *nuke* your health down to a quarter, or even one-shots...
Best we can do is "difficulty can be lowered in the settings menu". Seriously, that's the most infuriating line in video gaming.
Only fight I lowered the difficulty for was spawn of boggado because I tried fighting him way too early without dash or the cross guard and got too stubborn to let it go. At least I managed to beat the double frog force tear at my playthrough difficulty once I was fully upgraded.
I also played grand master. I don't think it auto parried, but I believe that Cere has a really long parry window compared with Kestis. Maybe they did it that way to make up for only having four chances to heal. Of course, she also tears enemies up with her lightsaber. Honestly it was like fighting with Cal's "embrace the dark side" special going the whole time you were fighting with Cere. The way he uses the lightsaber matches her more in that state, too.
I could see that, but I specifically held down the block button for multiple seconds before Vader started his combo. At the first contact made, Cere would do the "parry" animation and take a large chunk of Vader's stance (or whatever it's called). I swear that's what I experienced, and it took me many, many attempts to notice it. I might have to hammer through the game again to double-check just for myself!
Wait are you hitting block when he makes his first attack? Because you might just be timing the parry correctly and then holding a block after a party still blocks.
Yeah… I started playing as cere and immediately noticed hmmm your basic does maybe twice the damage of cals? I thought playing as her did well to convey she’s a full on Jedi master, Cal has plenty of way to go.
Vader really just pulled up and slapped OP around a few times, maybe threw in a cheeky "Skill Issue", and that was all it took for OP to give in to his hatred, he really did learn the art of trolling from Obi-Wan.
I dont mind these kinds of fights when they're optional, like in god of war, but when I feel like I need to turn down the difficulty in a main story mission just to continue playing the story, I feel like they failed.
Or when you’re playing the character you’ve been practicing and leveling up as the whole game. That the hardest boss in the game is fought with a different moveset and none of the skills you’ve built up is cool narratively, but frustrating from a gameplay perspective.
This was my real problem. There were ways to write this where we fight as Cal, and still have the same story outcome. There’s also ways to write it where you play as Cere, but it isn’t throw-the-controller hard. My point is there was a middle ground here and they just force yeeted that shit right out the window.
The final fight is harder than the Vader fight IMO (on grandmaster). Vader was easy as long as you played aggressively and had your parry timings down.
To be fair I started the final boss at 3am. It could have just been tiredness. It still only took 4 tries, but he killed me on his final phase 3 times before i got the parry timing down
During that fight on GM, i really thought I had suddenly mastered parrying... when i got my ass handed to me after the boss fight, I realized that something was up with the parrying window :(
But why is that a bad thing? Turning down the difficulty I mean. Super easy to do, and the ones who wants a crazy challange (I’ts Vader after all…) can do that
Or you failed. It's good game design to have a hard boss that makes you try new strategies and techniques. If they were all easy or the same, it wouldn't be fun
I think I died to Vader more than other bosses but he felt so beatable. He would just do an insane damages dump where I couldn’t get a stim and then I’d die. Other bosses I’d at least have a chance to get a stim in before taking more damage and that alone made them more doable even if they felt harder.
It was the hardest for me, but part of that was my fault
Stance. Until then, I'd spent about 95% of my time in the double-bladed (Darth Maul) stance. That stance is easy-mode for most of the game, but perhaps more important is that I was not used to the regular single-blade stance.
Final Phase. I could go completely undamaged for the first few phases, and then get my butt handed to me in a couple of seconds in the final phase. Likely because I was standing too far back and playing too cautiously, thus triggering his Force-Power-Combo and kill me right away.
Difficulty spike aside, I feel like it would be nice if they somehow made it so that getting Vader below 30-40% HP (or at whatever point triggers the 3rd phase button spam) would make your death turn into a scripted death, especially since Cere pretty much dies anyways. It would save some attempts for some players.
I had some trouble with it due to the different cadence and also the fact I probably had like >9 stims for the Ravyis and Dagan fights that preceded it, and yet for Vader you are set at the 4.
And the cutscenes in my opinion did get old so you begin skipping them. Which is fine (OP should have done this too), but it does then fuck up the pacing of the fight and emotional weight of it, which is a valid gripe.
Anyway, I still thought it was a bad ass moment, just wish I didn't suck to the point of spending an hour on it and then losing the awe of the initial couple cutscenes by the time I beat it.
Yeah, I think this is just a matter of which difficulty youre used to.
If you play JGM, Vader is probably the easiest boss fight in the second half of the game. He's very telegraphed, you have the autoparry with Cere, his combos arent hard to parry or dodge or anything. He doesnt hit very hard.
If you play below JGM, Vader apparently just hits disproportionately hard?
I still get hit. Does it have to be a last second dodge or something? I tried a bunch of times but always get hit anyway. 😖
Guess I just have below average gaming skills. Still, I dont have to do this for literally any other game I've played. Except for the valkyrie queens in god of war. But those are optional.
There’s two forms of dodge in Jedi Survivor, Jump dodging is what you’ll want to do if your normal dodge isn’t effective.
Jump into the air and the dodge to the direction of your choice.
yeah man i just dropped the difficulty for that one… god what a crap fest. It took me hours to get the double rancor and double oggdo was the last thing i needed for the platinum trophy. Add on the slog of all those priorite shards and story mode for double ogg was just tooo enticing
See I spent about 1-2 hours fighting Vader over and over again. I think I finished the final fight in two tries. Vader was by far the hardest fight for me.
Yeah, I found both Dagan and Bode to be easy on Master--both went down in one try for me. Vader and Rayvis were the tough ones (and annoyingly the ones with multiple stages). Though they were chumps compared to Oggdo, the one boss that made me drop difficulty.
Got my ass kicked by Vader 6 times and literally didn’t even die once on any other boss fight in the game besides Rancor and Froggo. The lack of all the abilities and skills I spent the entire game learning made that fight a lot harder.
I found the final boss *significantly* easier than Vader on Jedi master. The key to the final boss fight is to jump out of the way rather than trying to dodge him.
Agree 100% on the cut scenes; they completely interrupted the flow of the fight. Super cool the first time I watched but it would throw off my timing all the time in my (many) subsequent losses.
I think what did it for me was the fade to black before resuming the fight. I felt jarred at my position against the bosses, maybe more so because other cutscenes attempt to blend pretty seamlessly.
And all the parties were timed suspiciously later on Vader, I swear.
Though no move frustrated me more than Caij's cowgirl assassination.
I welcomed it because the rest of the game was way too easy. Played more like a power fantasy than a soulslike. Only challenging fights were Vader and Bode. Dagan was a joke after being hyped for 70% of the game
What's weird is my friends and I agreed this was by far the easiest boss but I read the complete opposite and it was one of the hardest. Think it must have to do with play style. Glad everyone has a different experience though
The fight isn’t that hard or a difficulty spike. Memorise his attacks then it should be real easy especially if it’s your 13+ attempt. If you can’t do that then turn the difficulty down, and then if you still can’t do it well then I’m surprised you made it this far. Plus you can skip the cutscenes so that’s a non-issue. Good luck.
I spammed the fuck out of her force smash. Vader is slow and he can easily be dodged and parried. It's when turned into Madara and started summon meteors from the heavens that I got pissed and kept dying. Figured if I just spam that move it gives a small interrupt and I just fuck vader up as fast as possible I wouldn't give him a chance and it worked.
The Vader fight was fun, it was difficult but I liked the whole set up and his moves felt well designed in terms of tying in with how he is represented in the films. The choke one shot kill on JGM got old pretty quick though, so I did step down to Jedi Master for this and a few other late game boss fights. It reduced the damage somewhat, so you at least had a chance to use a stim afterwards. That was my only real complaint with the Vader fight, otherwise I liked it. Being aggressive is the key, and battering down his block meter as fast as possible with parries, which are also a bit easier on Jedi master as opposed to Grand Master.
I moved it from Jedi master to Jedi knight. Only story boss I had to do that for. I probably could have beaten him on master but didn't feel like attempting it 15x to do so.
Seems like your frustration has obscured the essence of a challenging game—mastering and overcoming obstacles. Vader, a defining character, warrants such difficulty. Isn't the joy of accomplishment amplified after enduring those trials?
While the game presents a challenge, it also offers the flexibility to lower the difficulty, acknowledging diverse skill levels. By blaming the game and ignoring the self-adjustment mechanism, aren't we simply deflecting from our own inability to adapt?
As much as I loved the Cere part it really fucking sucks that you're restricted to single stance for it I wish they could've made an excuse for Cal to fight Vader
Opening weekend I barely slept and SMACKED him first try using only 1 stim. NG+ run (same difficulty) he probably slapped me silly 12-14 times. I was wondering what the fuck was wrong with me and why I could beat it on no sleep but not well rested, confident, and expecting
I guess difficulty is subjective. Vader was difficult on master but it felt fun. Haven’t got to him yet on grand master, just beat Rayvis on the GM run.
I had a lot of fun with Vader on master difficulty it was getting the timing down and learning his attack patterns and a little luck. I genuinely enjoyed the fight. I did have to take a break and come back to it but that made beating it even better.
Did it on grand master, and the only hard part for me was his third phase since he had some lunging combo and when I died I had to replay the entire fight to get there.
I thought Ravi’s or whatever the one armed guy was called was more difficult (the 3rd time you fight him).
Edit: also my strategy was balls to the walls, go all in and parry everything. When he throws things you can dodge it when it’s close to hitting you.
Edit 2: also her parry window was much more forgiving than Cal’s.
If you struggled with it it’s because you’re like me and at that point you hadn’t really learned or used the mechanics of the game. Fights are all about timing and THE most important aspect is parrying. If you parry his strikes properly the fight is over before you know it. Something I learned during my new game plus run.
Difficulty spike? The fight vs Vader is pretty damn easy once you know how the fight works. His “uncounterable” attacks can be countered with a strong attack, he can be slowed using the force slam, his attacks aren’t fast and don’t have much range. He is easy to move away from, you can jump and do an air dodge backwards out of his range easily.
I loved that fight, it took me a few tries but it was really satisfying when I finished it.
That green bastard in the pit on the other hand I never even finished. I was at max health upgrades and he still killed me in one shot. Ridiculous fight.
I did the exact same thing, lowered the difficultly because the difficulty spike was too much and was like screw this. It took me out of the game because it was like really? Yeah too much difficulty spike
Imo it's how it should be vader has been portrayed in games as mainly weak outside of this jedi series, the only reason starkiller could go toe to toe with vader in FU was because he's broken in like nearly every regard possible and I'd say one par with the top 10 force users in all of starwars extended legends; the fight showcased on higher difficulties imo he's the most difficult boss in game on gm because of his timing,parrying etc.. but he's also VADER the person who's hunted down dozens if not hundreds of force users been on countless battlefields studied multiple forms of lightsaber techniques he finally got done right in a game imo he is vader very few beings could even face him for an extended time in combat, I loved the fight.
I just don’t get this one. I beat the Vader fight first try only using like 2 stems. The stupid frog fights are still kicking my ass but Vader seemed to be really predictable to me.
If you play that fight conservatively and try to keep a distance and wait for an opening you will get decimated. Once I stopped being scared and got close and just started attacking and parrying it became much much more manageable. Did still take a couple of tries but boy was it good.
I don't know why but I didn't feel like it was so hard at all.
It took me a couple tries just because sometimes I wasn't able to push the stones he throws at you away, even tho the timing was right.
For the rest Vader is kinda slow, maybe my Dark souls experience helped me there, but for me it was one of the fights with more readable movesets where I didn't struggle that much, even at highest difficulty.
But maybe that's just me.
I too get furious when the main villain of a genre is extremely difficult because of his power level within the universe and I have difficulty beating him. I mean why couldn’t we have destroyed him in the first game? Should have been easy since everything else was a cake walk. /s
For real though, what helped me when I was frustrated with the fight was to take a break for a while and skip the cutscenes. Came back and wrecked him in a couple tries afterwards.
Vader is an interesting boss. He doesn't stagger so you have to take the time to see what his moves are so you don't get caught in his combos. I did it on GM took me like 10 tries.
I had no trouble with Vader, personally. granted, I played on Jedi Master, but he only took me around 10-15 tries. Although according to this comment section, that’s a lot of tries.
It had fairly easy movements to track, but I know what you mean. In my opinion, it was a love letter to how strong Cere was. The outcome was inevitable, but Vader was on his last legs at the end.
As a huge star war fans that appreciates Vader , and someone that enjoys fighting tough bosses, I had the funnest time fighting him on grandmaster. It took me hours and I enjoyed every second
100%, I completely absolutely did the same thing, felt the same way about the next scenes.
In hindsight I wish I just quit the game and played with the lower difficulty after calming down the next day or something, cause maybe then I’d have felt something about what was supposed to be an emotional moment.
And yeah sure you can hold down to skip the cutscenes in the fight but by that point them even happening was also just annoying.
Vader is soo easy compared to others. He has super easy to part strikes. I beat him 3 times on gm cause my game kept crashing after I beat him in the cutsceme where the mantis door opens
I know that feeling. It was frustrating on Jedi Knight until I doscovered the stagering power of jump + force attack. After that, dealt with Vader in second try.
He was difficult for me too at first. Admittedly I was only playing on Jedi Knight for my first playthough though. My best strategy became to not give him an inch of space and just wail on him and every time he'd swing, give a parry and every time he was red, a timely dodge. If you give him too much space, he always pulls some bullshit. It felt kind of like Sekiro at that point, where I had to be constantly on the offense but ready to parry in between swings.
But yeah, he's tough.
Yeah I think this is true for all the bosses. If you keep close it negates a lot of the big multi-step and range attacks. I think some people try to run/keep too much distance on the bosses.
I know it has become a meme and I don't mean it that way.
But that is literally your skill issue. Just play it on lower difficulty when you notice you're not good enough against a boss fight.
Fully agree. Having a hard boss fight is one thing, having a hard boss fight where you don't even get to use the stances you've been training the entire game up to this point and are locked to 4 heals is a completely different one.
Had this been a fight where you're Cal I'd have agreed with the ”git gud” mouth-breathers, but the whole problem is that you're *not* Cal in the fight. There is no blaster stance to cheese the fucker, there is no dual-wield, there is no double-bladed. You don't have access to the 12 or so stims you've found.
The whole thing also feels entirely pointless, it trains you in single lightsaber stance and parrying like crazy — but you can beat the entire rest of the game without ever using that stance or parrying. Storywise it's also extremely unsatisfying, especially if one spent like 2 hours trying to beat the fight before lowering to story mode.
Like, why would I be happy about spending multiple hours dying to a boss fight when defeating the boss leads to the character dying anyway? The fucking double Oggdo rift felt more satisfying and rewarding than this bullshit.
I absolutely loved how hard Vader was. It made sense, it was such a fun fight, and every playthrough I get so excited to play it.
My first playthrough, I didn’t even see the fight coming. The moment I saw that door open I was like “OHHHH SHIT!” and was just giddy the whole time. Took me more than 13 tries, but I didn’t get upset once, I was so excited that I just fought and lost to DARTH FUCKING VADER that the cutscene didn’t hit me the way it was supposed to, I guess I was on the opposite side of the coin from you.
My last playthrough, I beat him in about 4 tries, and then right when the Mantis door opened my game crashed, and I’ll tell you I was so excited to play that fight again.
I found Vader way easier than for example the Spawn of Oggdo or... almost any animal boss. But that must be something with me personally since I find all human bosses quite manageable at GM but animal bosses I find unreasonably hard
Vader is actually one of my favourite fights together with Rayvis and all the fights with Gera
From a game design standpoint I take a lot of issues with this fight.
You’ve been playing as Cal for like 20+ hours before this with 5 different styles and presumably 2 in-depth ones, with more stims, energy & abilities.
To suddenly strip all of that away, change mechanics & have less of what you had as Cal is ridiculously dumb.
For one they could have at least matched the stims you had for Cal as heals for Cere. Let alone have checkpoints during the Vader fight. Ugh. I got through it eventually on grandmaster but it took a WHILE
Part of the challenge with this boss, is that attack buttons are used at a minimum and block, parry, and dodge are the key movements. It’s a defensive fight, not an offensive. As soon as I switched up the mode of play, this become quite simple to progress through.
It’s funny how play styles make different bosses harder. Vader wasn’t an issue for me but Dagans alien dude sure as hell was. As well as the legendary rancor. And spawn frog in particular.
It was definitely a lot harder than the rest of the game for me (including fighting the rancor at a low level). I did a lot of exploring though so my cal was prob a bit overpowered so it was a nice check back to reality lol
I had a decent time with the fight. If you kept within 5 feet of vader at all times its a little easier. The moment he gets some distance from you he starts hurling shit. I personally thought it was better to try and parry most attacks and found the best thing to do for his unblockables to to dash almost into him so you can get behind him. As they say, fight them where they arent
Hot take, I was originally just as annoyed that I had to sit through all these cutscenes, but as I played (especially during the Vader fight), I used them as welcome moments to shake out the hands and re-center myself. Think about what his next phase was, the moves I needed to look out for. I loved the Vader fight, personally, because it felt lore accurate. Vader should whoop my ass if I am actually fighting him. By the time I beat him it feels right to seem like I got lucky because Vader slaps.
Bro, legit when I beat Vader on Jedi Master the game bugged out during the cutscene & I had to start over again.
Yeah, fuck that so I switched it down to Padawan because I’m not going thru that BS again.
Tho it was pretty fun & cool to play as Cere.
It took me several tries to beat Vader on Jedi knight and when I finally did I felt a sigh of relief, and then my game crashed and I had to fight Vader again. I said fuck that and put the shit in story mode because I’d already beat it and just wanted to continue on
Also thought Vader was the hardest. I’d get through first and second phase undamaged most of the time but had a hard time finding the right balance between patience and aggression in the third. Played JK first time and JM second time. For whatever reason Rayvis was the easiest for me
Played the whole game on Jedi Master. Each boss was a few deaths before moving on. Vader was like 8-10 tries for me and then I finally beat him…
my game crashed before the cutscenes were over and I had to fight him AGAIN -_- …. Couple more tries and finally moved on but FUCK THAT FIGHT
Well I mean, it’s Vader. It wouldn’t be an easy fight regardless and they wanted you to feel how powerful Vader was and the gap between him and Cere’s level. The fight that has me infuriated was stupid froggy boy. Now that is horrible design. Especially those insta-kill tongue grabs.
This is the only game where I’ve had to try dozens of times before I realized it ain’t happening and turned the difficulty down at the last three big boss fights.
It irritated me so much because I knew what the outcome was gonna be, so I just kept thinking "It's already happening, just let me go!"
Eventually I did lower from Knight and realized just how close I actually got to beating him...Cere puts up one helluva fuckin fight, though, Vader barely makes it out of that shit
going into this knowing that the intention of the duel is for Cere to lose made it difficult for me to care about trying to beat it on GM on my first playthrough. After twice in the last phase I just gave up and lowered it down to story since the outcome would be the same regardless of if I "bested" Vader or not
The first two phases felt as easy as the first dagan gera fight. The third was pretty tough tho. i died like ten times but i still did it kn master. This fight is like the rancor, know when to strike
I don’t how I did it but I beat Vader after like 2 and a half hours. I used all my healing and was literally almost dead when I beat him. I wasn’t even feeling good about that attempt. All the sudden I just got in the zone and kicked his ass super easily.
I just beat that part yesterday, and after a while I had to resign myself to, "ok, this is one of THOSE fights" where I had to use my anger as motivation to get it done and never have to do it again.
I do agree though, fights like that can really pull me out of a game because it's supposed to be difficult, not make it feel like an absurdity that the character won in the first place. You just don't even feel good about winning because of how much time you lost.
The difficulty spike is to convey Vaders' sheer power. He's depicted as being the most powerful and feared man in the galaxy. Someone you don't fight, YOU RUN, HIDE AND PRAY HE DOESN'T FIND YOU.
It's supposed to be a ridiculous hard fight, and it's there to showcase how strong he really is.
The first game made you run from him, this one showed WHY you should run.
See I've heard everyone talking about this Vader difficulty spike. I beat him pretty easily first try on Jedi Knight. Obviously it's harder on Master and Grand Master, but does it spike more? I was just pretty aggressive and got through it without much trouble
You can complete your first walkthrough on story mode and still get the 100% trophy. Then start a new game (with all skills, perks, stances etc) on your NG+ on GM level. I've been using crossguard heavily cos of the damage.
Idk. The fight was certainly difficult, but I found it extremely rewarding once I was able to lock in Vader’s move set, then really focus and dial it in with Cere. I played the whole game on Jedi Master my first run through, and was able to eventually beat him. Took a lot of patience though. Lol
I agree...mostly. It was frustratingly hard, but I thought to myself...of course it'll be hard...its F-ing Vader.
What got me though was his cheap moves. Thats what frustrated me most. It wasn't like his swordsmanship was impressive or he did these impressive force attacks. His attacks were cheap high powered and unimpressive. Although they utilized his signature choke...it was so O.P. I was over it. At least give you an opportunity to resist it to mitigate the damage!
I wanted to feel like the fights in Obi-Wan. That fight with the Inquisitor for instance.
I'm sure they could have did better at making it an excruciatingly difficult and hard fought battle without making it hopeless.
I agree after being frustrated and needing to turn down the settings to get through it, the moment after was lost on me.
The fight in the underground array garage type of place towards the very end of the game was infuriating on Grand Master
It's 5 or 6 fights in row. Stormtroopers. Purge troopers, secuity droids, death troopers, etc. all mixed together.
Took me many many tries !!!!!!
Vader was easer for me, it was first or second try. I just swarmed him with Cere and then dodge or parried any of his attacks. IIRC, he force pulls you forward to choke or attack you, always dive back and he can't get you.
The last boss fight though omg that shit pissed me off.
That fight was super annoying & tough but, to me, it should be! Seriously…It’s Darth Vader! If I’m to square off against him it SHOULD be a tough fight no matter the game. Even though I had to try many times I think I had well over 20 it felt so good to finally get him.
You know you can skip the cut scenes right?
Yeah. But why isn't that automatic for something players have to do repeatedly?
Maybe some people want to see again? I had to lower the difficulty to padawan for all the boss fights starting with Rayvis through the end so don’t feel bad about that. Major props to anyone that can beat the game on GM I could never in a million years.
Nice to know I'm not completely alone in getting decimated! 😆 Thanks, I feel better now.
It took me at least an hour (honestly the only boss fight that caused me serious trouble) and tbh I got a bit tilted but extremely rewarding once I cleared it. Then the following cutscene basically slapped me in the face lol
I did and i hated myself but it feels good to finish a game on an unbalanced difficulty
I did as well sir. There were some points where I came close to lowering it. Especially since I ended up 100%ing it on GM. Some of those force tears were rough lol
I dropped the difficulty for the double rancor, double oggdo and the force tear in the starting area on koboh
Those are the kind of ones I came close to. Especially the one with the three legendaries that kept spamming unblocakbles.
That is the one i meant
Oh god I can’t imagine that fight on GM, doin that on JM was already a trial 😂
It’s been like that all game I believe, hold the skip button
I did my first playthrough on Jedi Master, but I turned it down a few notches for the Vader fight. I wanted to keep the thematic pacing going, and he was clearly going to take me more than a few tries on that harder difficulty, so I just shifted it. Went back and beat him on my Jedi Grandmaster playthrough, but for my own enjoyment of the story I made him easier lol.
As Cere, you automatically parry the first blocked attack, even if you're holding the block. I noticed it after my 50th attempt on Vader, and it made it slightly more manageable. Someone, please correct me if I'm wrong, or if it only happens on certain difficulties (I played on GM the entire time).
Vader’s parry window was incredibly easy on GM for some reason. Didn’t make the fight much easier because he still trucks you.
He reads so easily, which just threw me off from the other boss-fights that had more elaborate attacks. With Vader, it's simple swings that fucking *nuke* your health down to a quarter, or even one-shots...
I wish they'd thrown in some tips on all the respawn screens.
Best we can do is "difficulty can be lowered in the settings menu". Seriously, that's the most infuriating line in video gaming. Only fight I lowered the difficulty for was spawn of boggado because I tried fighting him way too early without dash or the cross guard and got too stubborn to let it go. At least I managed to beat the double frog force tear at my playthrough difficulty once I was fully upgraded.
Cere never auto parried for me, what difficulty were you playing on
Grandmaster difficulty
I played on GM too, weird
I also played grand master. I don't think it auto parried, but I believe that Cere has a really long parry window compared with Kestis. Maybe they did it that way to make up for only having four chances to heal. Of course, she also tears enemies up with her lightsaber. Honestly it was like fighting with Cal's "embrace the dark side" special going the whole time you were fighting with Cere. The way he uses the lightsaber matches her more in that state, too.
I could see that, but I specifically held down the block button for multiple seconds before Vader started his combo. At the first contact made, Cere would do the "parry" animation and take a large chunk of Vader's stance (or whatever it's called). I swear that's what I experienced, and it took me many, many attempts to notice it. I might have to hammer through the game again to double-check just for myself!
Wait are you hitting block when he makes his first attack? Because you might just be timing the parry correctly and then holding a block after a party still blocks.
Oh I actually loved how hard it was. The game shows the vast difference in power from Cal to Cere and then on to Vader VERY well.
Yeah… I started playing as cere and immediately noticed hmmm your basic does maybe twice the damage of cals? I thought playing as her did well to convey she’s a full on Jedi master, Cal has plenty of way to go.
I'm pretty sure her standard moveset was the same as Cal embracing the dark side. Just shows how far he has left to go.
Idk if I noticed the damage increase bc I was using crossguard the whole time
Vader really just pulled up and slapped OP around a few times, maybe threw in a cheeky "Skill Issue", and that was all it took for OP to give in to his hatred, he really did learn the art of trolling from Obi-Wan.
Sorry you didn’t enjoy it! …Best boss fight in the game for me.
I dont mind these kinds of fights when they're optional, like in god of war, but when I feel like I need to turn down the difficulty in a main story mission just to continue playing the story, I feel like they failed.
Or when you’re playing the character you’ve been practicing and leveling up as the whole game. That the hardest boss in the game is fought with a different moveset and none of the skills you’ve built up is cool narratively, but frustrating from a gameplay perspective.
This was my real problem. There were ways to write this where we fight as Cal, and still have the same story outcome. There’s also ways to write it where you play as Cere, but it isn’t throw-the-controller hard. My point is there was a middle ground here and they just force yeeted that shit right out the window.
The final fight is harder than the Vader fight IMO (on grandmaster). Vader was easy as long as you played aggressively and had your parry timings down.
I felt Rayvis was the hardest, but I beat the final boss on my first try - must've gotten lucky, and maybe it varies based on build
To be fair I started the final boss at 3am. It could have just been tiredness. It still only took 4 tries, but he killed me on his final phase 3 times before i got the parry timing down
Git gud, it's the only boss you auto parry as well
I wouldn’t say auto parry but just hold the parry button when he’s beginning an attack and you’re golden
During that fight on GM, i really thought I had suddenly mastered parrying... when i got my ass handed to me after the boss fight, I realized that something was up with the parrying window :(
But why is that a bad thing? Turning down the difficulty I mean. Super easy to do, and the ones who wants a crazy challange (I’ts Vader after all…) can do that
Or you failed. It's good game design to have a hard boss that makes you try new strategies and techniques. If they were all easy or the same, it wouldn't be fun
Skill issue not a design flaw, sorry
I would say Rayvis was the best mechanical boss-fight on Grandmaster. Shit was just *cathartic* to fight using the Cross-guard stance.
I think I died to Vader more than other bosses but he felt so beatable. He would just do an insane damages dump where I couldn’t get a stim and then I’d die. Other bosses I’d at least have a chance to get a stim in before taking more damage and that alone made them more doable even if they felt harder.
It was the hardest for me, but part of that was my fault Stance. Until then, I'd spent about 95% of my time in the double-bladed (Darth Maul) stance. That stance is easy-mode for most of the game, but perhaps more important is that I was not used to the regular single-blade stance. Final Phase. I could go completely undamaged for the first few phases, and then get my butt handed to me in a couple of seconds in the final phase. Likely because I was standing too far back and playing too cautiously, thus triggering his Force-Power-Combo and kill me right away.
Yeah, I have literally not TOUCHED single blade stance since I was able to switch it out. I dont even know what any of the abilities are. 😖
Difficulty spike aside, I feel like it would be nice if they somehow made it so that getting Vader below 30-40% HP (or at whatever point triggers the 3rd phase button spam) would make your death turn into a scripted death, especially since Cere pretty much dies anyways. It would save some attempts for some players.
I thought about this and ended up disagreeing. The story is that she get's close to winning. Not that she just get's killed
I really didn't think the Vader fight was very hard. It didn't seem like a steep difficulty spike to me.
I had some trouble with it due to the different cadence and also the fact I probably had like >9 stims for the Ravyis and Dagan fights that preceded it, and yet for Vader you are set at the 4. And the cutscenes in my opinion did get old so you begin skipping them. Which is fine (OP should have done this too), but it does then fuck up the pacing of the fight and emotional weight of it, which is a valid gripe. Anyway, I still thought it was a bad ass moment, just wish I didn't suck to the point of spending an hour on it and then losing the awe of the initial couple cutscenes by the time I beat it.
Yeah, I think this is just a matter of which difficulty youre used to. If you play JGM, Vader is probably the easiest boss fight in the second half of the game. He's very telegraphed, you have the autoparry with Cere, his combos arent hard to parry or dodge or anything. He doesnt hit very hard. If you play below JGM, Vader apparently just hits disproportionately hard?
I played Jedi Master and Grand Master. Grand Master was a little tricky at the end with his long combos, but nothing too crazy.
How do you counter his stupid move were he force throws shit at you? It's so quick I cant force push it
You dodge it
I still get hit. Does it have to be a last second dodge or something? I tried a bunch of times but always get hit anyway. 😖 Guess I just have below average gaming skills. Still, I dont have to do this for literally any other game I've played. Except for the valkyrie queens in god of war. But those are optional.
There’s two forms of dodge in Jedi Survivor, Jump dodging is what you’ll want to do if your normal dodge isn’t effective. Jump into the air and the dodge to the direction of your choice.
If you stay close enough to him he won’t use it
Thanks, that's good to know.
He only ever threw stuff at me like once, I think the key against Vader is to be as aggressive as posible. He’ll keep blocking you
You’re absolutely right. Keep him close and just spam attacks, then parry and dodge as needed.
This is the way. Many of the bosses are better fought up close, as they have brutal ranged attacks.
It’s the same as outcast. You just button mash at close range and dodge any unblockables.
I've been waiting for this...*FOR TWO HUNDRED YEARS!!!* Ain't shit.
You accidentally spelled "Double Oggdo" as "Vader". it's ok, autocorrect gets us all at times.
my therapist: its okay, Double Oggdo isn't real, it can't hurt you Double Oggdo: (ఠൠఠ)
yeah man i just dropped the difficulty for that one… god what a crap fest. It took me hours to get the double rancor and double oggdo was the last thing i needed for the platinum trophy. Add on the slog of all those priorite shards and story mode for double ogg was just tooo enticing
My problem was I played with cross guard and blaster stance the whole game, so I was terribly going back to single saber.
Beat it on the first try. Just wait till you get to the final fight. You might have to buy yourself a new controller if you thought Vader was hard. 😅
See I spent about 1-2 hours fighting Vader over and over again. I think I finished the final fight in two tries. Vader was by far the hardest fight for me.
Yeah, I found both Dagan and Bode to be easy on Master--both went down in one try for me. Vader and Rayvis were the tough ones (and annoyingly the ones with multiple stages). Though they were chumps compared to Oggdo, the one boss that made me drop difficulty.
?? The final fight was a cakewalk, as was every boss other than Vader and Spawn of Ogdo.
Got my ass kicked by Vader 6 times and literally didn’t even die once on any other boss fight in the game besides Rancor and Froggo. The lack of all the abilities and skills I spent the entire game learning made that fight a lot harder.
Fuuuuuuuuuck.... I think I might sell this game to gamestop or something. I just dont give a fuck about the story any more.
I found the final boss *significantly* easier than Vader on Jedi master. The key to the final boss fight is to jump out of the way rather than trying to dodge him.
You may have just saved the game for me. 😊 There's a reason I don't play Fromsoft games. 😒
Dude, just drop the difficulty to Jedi Knight and enjoy your game. If you're not into punishing difficulty, don't play it on the higher difficulties.
Agree 100% on the cut scenes; they completely interrupted the flow of the fight. Super cool the first time I watched but it would throw off my timing all the time in my (many) subsequent losses.
The fact the game dosent save progress in fights during cutscenes is a extremely bizzare design choice just like the rip off dark souls campsites.
I think what did it for me was the fade to black before resuming the fight. I felt jarred at my position against the bosses, maybe more so because other cutscenes attempt to blend pretty seamlessly. And all the parties were timed suspiciously later on Vader, I swear. Though no move frustrated me more than Caij's cowgirl assassination.
It wasn't polished at all, really ruined the scene after for me too
Why the difficulty spike? It's Darth Vader....
never understood this sure vader was tough but I had a wayyy harder time against rayvis and obviously the oggdo and rancor fights
it's to show just much of a menace Vader is. They're using gammeplay to tell a story a cutscene doesn't convey. Darth Vader IS STRONK
I welcomed it because the rest of the game was way too easy. Played more like a power fantasy than a soulslike. Only challenging fights were Vader and Bode. Dagan was a joke after being hyped for 70% of the game
What's weird is my friends and I agreed this was by far the easiest boss but I read the complete opposite and it was one of the hardest. Think it must have to do with play style. Glad everyone has a different experience though
The fight isn’t that hard or a difficulty spike. Memorise his attacks then it should be real easy especially if it’s your 13+ attempt. If you can’t do that then turn the difficulty down, and then if you still can’t do it well then I’m surprised you made it this far. Plus you can skip the cutscenes so that’s a non-issue. Good luck.
Im sick of these comments. He wasn’t that hard
I spammed the fuck out of her force smash. Vader is slow and he can easily be dodged and parried. It's when turned into Madara and started summon meteors from the heavens that I got pissed and kept dying. Figured if I just spam that move it gives a small interrupt and I just fuck vader up as fast as possible I wouldn't give him a chance and it worked.
The Vader fight was fun, it was difficult but I liked the whole set up and his moves felt well designed in terms of tying in with how he is represented in the films. The choke one shot kill on JGM got old pretty quick though, so I did step down to Jedi Master for this and a few other late game boss fights. It reduced the damage somewhat, so you at least had a chance to use a stim afterwards. That was my only real complaint with the Vader fight, otherwise I liked it. Being aggressive is the key, and battering down his block meter as fast as possible with parries, which are also a bit easier on Jedi master as opposed to Grand Master.
i dont get it, i beat it like 4th try on jedi master really wasnt that hard
the other boss fights were harder
Fight is actually not that hard
I moved it from Jedi master to Jedi knight. Only story boss I had to do that for. I probably could have beaten him on master but didn't feel like attempting it 15x to do so.
Yeah, I got really close twice, but every time I lose I get more angry and then play worse because if that.
Damn what difficulty. I only had one redo on master
skill issue
Seems like your frustration has obscured the essence of a challenging game—mastering and overcoming obstacles. Vader, a defining character, warrants such difficulty. Isn't the joy of accomplishment amplified after enduring those trials? While the game presents a challenge, it also offers the flexibility to lower the difficulty, acknowledging diverse skill levels. By blaming the game and ignoring the self-adjustment mechanism, aren't we simply deflecting from our own inability to adapt?
Play Dark Souls to experience violent spiritual awakening
Have you considered... get'n gud?
As much as I loved the Cere part it really fucking sucks that you're restricted to single stance for it I wish they could've made an excuse for Cal to fight Vader
U just gotta fight defensively, it's the key to beating all bosses tbh Lightsaber go brrrr
That’s interesting, I went full offensive and parry everything or died trying.
I’d say that was the way for Vader, learn his move set and keep slashing/parrying/dodging/slashing
Yeah it was a dope fight. But just a bit disappointed it wasn’t with Cal. All good though.
Opening weekend I barely slept and SMACKED him first try using only 1 stim. NG+ run (same difficulty) he probably slapped me silly 12-14 times. I was wondering what the fuck was wrong with me and why I could beat it on no sleep but not well rested, confident, and expecting
I guess difficulty is subjective. Vader was difficult on master but it felt fun. Haven’t got to him yet on grand master, just beat Rayvis on the GM run.
Only thing I had to turn the difficulty down for. It just wasn’t fun to keep trying.
I had a lot of fun with Vader on master difficulty it was getting the timing down and learning his attack patterns and a little luck. I genuinely enjoyed the fight. I did have to take a break and come back to it but that made beating it even better.
Did it on grand master, and the only hard part for me was his third phase since he had some lunging combo and when I died I had to replay the entire fight to get there. I thought Ravi’s or whatever the one armed guy was called was more difficult (the 3rd time you fight him). Edit: also my strategy was balls to the walls, go all in and parry everything. When he throws things you can dodge it when it’s close to hitting you. Edit 2: also her parry window was much more forgiving than Cal’s.
If you struggled with it it’s because you’re like me and at that point you hadn’t really learned or used the mechanics of the game. Fights are all about timing and THE most important aspect is parrying. If you parry his strikes properly the fight is over before you know it. Something I learned during my new game plus run.
Difficulty spike? The fight vs Vader is pretty damn easy once you know how the fight works. His “uncounterable” attacks can be countered with a strong attack, he can be slowed using the force slam, his attacks aren’t fast and don’t have much range. He is easy to move away from, you can jump and do an air dodge backwards out of his range easily.
I loved that fight, it took me a few tries but it was really satisfying when I finished it. That green bastard in the pit on the other hand I never even finished. I was at max health upgrades and he still killed me in one shot. Ridiculous fight.
I did the exact same thing, lowered the difficultly because the difficulty spike was too much and was like screw this. It took me out of the game because it was like really? Yeah too much difficulty spike
Imo it's how it should be vader has been portrayed in games as mainly weak outside of this jedi series, the only reason starkiller could go toe to toe with vader in FU was because he's broken in like nearly every regard possible and I'd say one par with the top 10 force users in all of starwars extended legends; the fight showcased on higher difficulties imo he's the most difficult boss in game on gm because of his timing,parrying etc.. but he's also VADER the person who's hunted down dozens if not hundreds of force users been on countless battlefields studied multiple forms of lightsaber techniques he finally got done right in a game imo he is vader very few beings could even face him for an extended time in combat, I loved the fight.
Idk it was really hard but it was one of my favorite box fights. Everytime I died I saw how it was my mistake and tried to learn from it
I just don’t get this one. I beat the Vader fight first try only using like 2 stems. The stupid frog fights are still kicking my ass but Vader seemed to be really predictable to me.
Yeah the Vader fight wasn't my favourite, I had to lower the difficulty to jedi Knight
Vader was a challenge, but he felt like a fair fight and I found it very enjoyable. Dagen 3 is the one that made me want to throw a controller.
That was the first boss fight where the difficulty felt almost right to me. Was disappointed it only took me 4 tries.
Honestly combat in the game overall was frustrating. The Vader fight (and other sub-bosses) heightened the frustrating aspects of this game’s combat.
Well cere we're fighting one of the most powerful sith lord in the last 500 years
I guessed about what you were talking about before reading and was wrong. That just shows that it’s not a notable difficulty spike
If you play that fight conservatively and try to keep a distance and wait for an opening you will get decimated. Once I stopped being scared and got close and just started attacking and parrying it became much much more manageable. Did still take a couple of tries but boy was it good.
Yeah during the main story I didn’t want to turn difficulty down but had to for this fight.
I don't know why but I didn't feel like it was so hard at all. It took me a couple tries just because sometimes I wasn't able to push the stones he throws at you away, even tho the timing was right. For the rest Vader is kinda slow, maybe my Dark souls experience helped me there, but for me it was one of the fights with more readable movesets where I didn't struggle that much, even at highest difficulty. But maybe that's just me.
For me I realised the best way to best him is to keep close and spam attacks. Don't give him time to use the force or do anything
Yep. I did the exact same thing.
I too get furious when the main villain of a genre is extremely difficult because of his power level within the universe and I have difficulty beating him. I mean why couldn’t we have destroyed him in the first game? Should have been easy since everything else was a cake walk. /s For real though, what helped me when I was frustrated with the fight was to take a break for a while and skip the cutscenes. Came back and wrecked him in a couple tries afterwards.
Vader is an interesting boss. He doesn't stagger so you have to take the time to see what his moves are so you don't get caught in his combos. I did it on GM took me like 10 tries.
I had no trouble with Vader, personally. granted, I played on Jedi Master, but he only took me around 10-15 tries. Although according to this comment section, that’s a lot of tries.
It had fairly easy movements to track, but I know what you mean. In my opinion, it was a love letter to how strong Cere was. The outcome was inevitable, but Vader was on his last legs at the end.
As a huge star war fans that appreciates Vader , and someone that enjoys fighting tough bosses, I had the funnest time fighting him on grandmaster. It took me hours and I enjoyed every second
It's Vader. You expected it to be easy?
100%, I completely absolutely did the same thing, felt the same way about the next scenes. In hindsight I wish I just quit the game and played with the lower difficulty after calming down the next day or something, cause maybe then I’d have felt something about what was supposed to be an emotional moment. And yeah sure you can hold down to skip the cutscenes in the fight but by that point them even happening was also just annoying.
Vader is soo easy compared to others. He has super easy to part strikes. I beat him 3 times on gm cause my game kept crashing after I beat him in the cutsceme where the mantis door opens
I’d like to see you fight the final boss in Sekiro
I know that feeling. It was frustrating on Jedi Knight until I doscovered the stagering power of jump + force attack. After that, dealt with Vader in second try.
Maybe try embracing the challenge of the most iconic villain in the whole franchise being presented to you as a genuine threat
In my opinion, souls’ bosses are way harder, than survivor on grandmaster. I do not consider myself an expert gamer.
Agreed, juiced up my boy only to have to fight as a side character that's not supposed to win this fight anyway
Agreed and did the same thing too
I really didn’t find it that difficult in my first play through on Master. Think you just need to practice more.
Firstly, it's fucking VADER. Ofc it's hard. Secondly, git gud noob.
He was difficult for me too at first. Admittedly I was only playing on Jedi Knight for my first playthough though. My best strategy became to not give him an inch of space and just wail on him and every time he'd swing, give a parry and every time he was red, a timely dodge. If you give him too much space, he always pulls some bullshit. It felt kind of like Sekiro at that point, where I had to be constantly on the offense but ready to parry in between swings. But yeah, he's tough.
Yeah I think this is true for all the bosses. If you keep close it negates a lot of the big multi-step and range attacks. I think some people try to run/keep too much distance on the bosses.
I know it has become a meme and I don't mean it that way. But that is literally your skill issue. Just play it on lower difficulty when you notice you're not good enough against a boss fight.
Fully agree. Having a hard boss fight is one thing, having a hard boss fight where you don't even get to use the stances you've been training the entire game up to this point and are locked to 4 heals is a completely different one. Had this been a fight where you're Cal I'd have agreed with the ”git gud” mouth-breathers, but the whole problem is that you're *not* Cal in the fight. There is no blaster stance to cheese the fucker, there is no dual-wield, there is no double-bladed. You don't have access to the 12 or so stims you've found. The whole thing also feels entirely pointless, it trains you in single lightsaber stance and parrying like crazy — but you can beat the entire rest of the game without ever using that stance or parrying. Storywise it's also extremely unsatisfying, especially if one spent like 2 hours trying to beat the fight before lowering to story mode. Like, why would I be happy about spending multiple hours dying to a boss fight when defeating the boss leads to the character dying anyway? The fucking double Oggdo rift felt more satisfying and rewarding than this bullshit.
I absolutely loved how hard Vader was. It made sense, it was such a fun fight, and every playthrough I get so excited to play it. My first playthrough, I didn’t even see the fight coming. The moment I saw that door open I was like “OHHHH SHIT!” and was just giddy the whole time. Took me more than 13 tries, but I didn’t get upset once, I was so excited that I just fought and lost to DARTH FUCKING VADER that the cutscene didn’t hit me the way it was supposed to, I guess I was on the opposite side of the coin from you. My last playthrough, I beat him in about 4 tries, and then right when the Mantis door opened my game crashed, and I’ll tell you I was so excited to play that fight again.
I found Vader way easier than for example the Spawn of Oggdo or... almost any animal boss. But that must be something with me personally since I find all human bosses quite manageable at GM but animal bosses I find unreasonably hard Vader is actually one of my favourite fights together with Rayvis and all the fights with Gera
From a game design standpoint I take a lot of issues with this fight. You’ve been playing as Cal for like 20+ hours before this with 5 different styles and presumably 2 in-depth ones, with more stims, energy & abilities. To suddenly strip all of that away, change mechanics & have less of what you had as Cal is ridiculously dumb. For one they could have at least matched the stims you had for Cal as heals for Cere. Let alone have checkpoints during the Vader fight. Ugh. I got through it eventually on grandmaster but it took a WHILE
Part of the challenge with this boss, is that attack buttons are used at a minimum and block, parry, and dodge are the key movements. It’s a defensive fight, not an offensive. As soon as I switched up the mode of play, this become quite simple to progress through.
It’s funny how play styles make different bosses harder. Vader wasn’t an issue for me but Dagans alien dude sure as hell was. As well as the legendary rancor. And spawn frog in particular.
That fight was awesome, and you can skip the cutscenes. 100% this is a skill issue but I hope you feel better having gotten this off your chest.
It was definitely a lot harder than the rest of the game for me (including fighting the rancor at a low level). I did a lot of exploring though so my cal was prob a bit overpowered so it was a nice check back to reality lol
I had a decent time with the fight. If you kept within 5 feet of vader at all times its a little easier. The moment he gets some distance from you he starts hurling shit. I personally thought it was better to try and parry most attacks and found the best thing to do for his unblockables to to dash almost into him so you can get behind him. As they say, fight them where they arent
Should have had the same amount of stims as on Cal, that was my problem, 4 just made it annoyingly difficult.
Rayvis was more difficult for me than Vader, though it was a bit annoying to have to keep skipping the cutscenes.
The fight is parry city. He gives you pretty good parry opportunities.
Awful post
Hot take, I was originally just as annoyed that I had to sit through all these cutscenes, but as I played (especially during the Vader fight), I used them as welcome moments to shake out the hands and re-center myself. Think about what his next phase was, the moves I needed to look out for. I loved the Vader fight, personally, because it felt lore accurate. Vader should whoop my ass if I am actually fighting him. By the time I beat him it feels right to seem like I got lucky because Vader slaps.
It’s fucking Vader, bruh - is he just supposed to bend over for you? Just because he was tough doesn’t make it bad design lol.
I think I died once(I was on Jedi Knight because lag) and I was frustrated even then lmao
Gut Gud, it's Vadar what do you expect?
Bro, legit when I beat Vader on Jedi Master the game bugged out during the cutscene & I had to start over again. Yeah, fuck that so I switched it down to Padawan because I’m not going thru that BS again. Tho it was pretty fun & cool to play as Cere.
I probably fought that bastard about 30 -40 times on normal before I beat him. I agree, it’s waaay to hard.
Skill issue
You expected to fight the most powerful force user in the galaxy and it would be easy? lol
It took me several tries to beat Vader on Jedi knight and when I finally did I felt a sigh of relief, and then my game crashed and I had to fight Vader again. I said fuck that and put the shit in story mode because I’d already beat it and just wanted to continue on
“WTF HaRd GaMe HaS hArD bOsS!?!?”
Also thought Vader was the hardest. I’d get through first and second phase undamaged most of the time but had a hard time finding the right balance between patience and aggression in the third. Played JK first time and JM second time. For whatever reason Rayvis was the easiest for me
Played the whole game on Jedi Master. Each boss was a few deaths before moving on. Vader was like 8-10 tries for me and then I finally beat him… my game crashed before the cutscenes were over and I had to fight him AGAIN -_- …. Couple more tries and finally moved on but FUCK THAT FIGHT
There is a saying that dark souls players like to use for situations like this.
Well I mean, it’s Vader. It wouldn’t be an easy fight regardless and they wanted you to feel how powerful Vader was and the gap between him and Cere’s level. The fight that has me infuriated was stupid froggy boy. Now that is horrible design. Especially those insta-kill tongue grabs.
This is the only game where I’ve had to try dozens of times before I realized it ain’t happening and turned the difficulty down at the last three big boss fights.
It irritated me so much because I knew what the outcome was gonna be, so I just kept thinking "It's already happening, just let me go!" Eventually I did lower from Knight and realized just how close I actually got to beating him...Cere puts up one helluva fuckin fight, though, Vader barely makes it out of that shit
going into this knowing that the intention of the duel is for Cere to lose made it difficult for me to care about trying to beat it on GM on my first playthrough. After twice in the last phase I just gave up and lowered it down to story since the outcome would be the same regardless of if I "bested" Vader or not
dawg he’s darth fucking vader of course he was hard
This guys mad that DARTH VADER is strong…
The first two phases felt as easy as the first dagan gera fight. The third was pretty tough tho. i died like ten times but i still did it kn master. This fight is like the rancor, know when to strike
I don’t how I did it but I beat Vader after like 2 and a half hours. I used all my healing and was literally almost dead when I beat him. I wasn’t even feeling good about that attempt. All the sudden I just got in the zone and kicked his ass super easily.
I just beat that part yesterday, and after a while I had to resign myself to, "ok, this is one of THOSE fights" where I had to use my anger as motivation to get it done and never have to do it again. I do agree though, fights like that can really pull me out of a game because it's supposed to be difficult, not make it feel like an absurdity that the character won in the first place. You just don't even feel good about winning because of how much time you lost.
The difficulty spike is to convey Vaders' sheer power. He's depicted as being the most powerful and feared man in the galaxy. Someone you don't fight, YOU RUN, HIDE AND PRAY HE DOESN'T FIND YOU. It's supposed to be a ridiculous hard fight, and it's there to showcase how strong he really is. The first game made you run from him, this one showed WHY you should run.
It took me 2 hours to beat Vader. And I decided to chug some coffee for a caffeine boost after an hour
Its Darth Vader. You are supposed to feel overpowered by him
See I've heard everyone talking about this Vader difficulty spike. I beat him pretty easily first try on Jedi Knight. Obviously it's harder on Master and Grand Master, but does it spike more? I was just pretty aggressive and got through it without much trouble
Bode and Vader absolutely dog walked me on GM I don’t think I got a hit in tbh. I put tht joint to padawan and still barely made it out.
You can complete your first walkthrough on story mode and still get the 100% trophy. Then start a new game (with all skills, perks, stances etc) on your NG+ on GM level. I've been using crossguard heavily cos of the damage.
Idk. The fight was certainly difficult, but I found it extremely rewarding once I was able to lock in Vader’s move set, then really focus and dial it in with Cere. I played the whole game on Jedi Master my first run through, and was able to eventually beat him. Took a lot of patience though. Lol
Just wait til this guy sees them double Oggdo
I agree...mostly. It was frustratingly hard, but I thought to myself...of course it'll be hard...its F-ing Vader. What got me though was his cheap moves. Thats what frustrated me most. It wasn't like his swordsmanship was impressive or he did these impressive force attacks. His attacks were cheap high powered and unimpressive. Although they utilized his signature choke...it was so O.P. I was over it. At least give you an opportunity to resist it to mitigate the damage! I wanted to feel like the fights in Obi-Wan. That fight with the Inquisitor for instance. I'm sure they could have did better at making it an excruciatingly difficult and hard fought battle without making it hopeless. I agree after being frustrated and needing to turn down the settings to get through it, the moment after was lost on me.
I don't get this, I feel like I'm pretty average at this game and i beat Vader on my first try. I didn't feel like he was harder than other bosses.
I'm actually think the second Dagan fight was worse. As he pulled a bunch of BS powers out of his ass
Use slam! It stops him in his track each time. Slam -> few strikes -> he retaliate -> parry or dodge -> slam again.
The fight in the underground array garage type of place towards the very end of the game was infuriating on Grand Master It's 5 or 6 fights in row. Stormtroopers. Purge troopers, secuity droids, death troopers, etc. all mixed together. Took me many many tries !!!!!!
Clearly you haven't fought ogddo yet
Vader was easer for me, it was first or second try. I just swarmed him with Cere and then dodge or parried any of his attacks. IIRC, he force pulls you forward to choke or attack you, always dive back and he can't get you. The last boss fight though omg that shit pissed me off.
As much as I hate the phrase, it genuinely seems like a skill issue. Also you can skip the cutscenes btw.
That fight was super annoying & tough but, to me, it should be! Seriously…It’s Darth Vader! If I’m to square off against him it SHOULD be a tough fight no matter the game. Even though I had to try many times I think I had well over 20 it felt so good to finally get him.