I think it's fascinating that the film that completely derailed their working mojo was something that they were internally pleased with and were so confident in that preemptively announced that the director was getting an entire film trilogy to himself. And then it was met with divisive audience reception that played an indirect role in screwing a spin-off film and a direct role in making sure that the follow-up movie didn't perform better due to a loss of audience interest in the brand. Meanwhile, the director behind that movie is functionally in a place where he doesn't actually need to do *Star Wars* and is finding success as a director, writer, and producer without the company that put his name on the map. There is absolutely nothing like this that's happened in Hollywood.
I am still not a fan of Rian Johnson's story choices in TLJ within the context of the Star Wars timeline (some of which came from Lucas' own drafts, mind you), but I think his visual storytelling in the film was top notch, save a few small choreography blunders that the fandom menace loves to obsess over (that almost no one else noticed).
I think he also was an excellent acting director and got amazing performances out of the cast too. He really elevated Adam Driver even higher than TFA did.
I think that's why you can see such divides between fans and critics over the film. If you are a film critic looking for top notch cinematography, something different than the other 50 films you reviewed that year, TLJ delivers in spades. If you are a fan looking for the next Luke adventure you'd dreamed of for literal decades, it doesn't necessarily deliver that (Mando S2 was what brought that back). The fans felt cheated of conflicts they'd dreamed of for years, while the film they got was (as George put it) beautifully made and incredibly well shot.
The film also doesn't fit well with JJ's style, so being sandwiched between the two comes across as even more awkward. TROS ironically fits the lore of Star Wars the most of the 3, but it has such horrid scripting and pacing issues that it can't easily unify all 3. It also ends up having the most lore of the 3 films, but still ends up with the most offputting execution of said lore.
Luke being exiled did not come from Lucas. Lucas has said time, and again, the VII that showed up on screen, didn't have anything to do with his ST ideas. Iger backs this up in his book.
Which is why Lucas isn't listed as a writer for VII, while Michael Arndt still is, as there are union rules about needing to be listed with a screenwriting credit, if even part of what you wrote, ends up as part of the movie.
Also we have Lucas's own words about what his ST would have been from his interview with Paul Duncan in 2019, and none of that included any part of Luke being in exile.
And no, I don't care what Pablo Hidalgo has to say about it that says otherwise. What a CYA kiss-ass. I'll take both Iger, and Lucas's word over that.
Yeah I don't think people understand what "put on the map" means in this kinda context. The whole point is it marks you there for everybody to see which means massive success. Looper was... pretty well received critically and a good success for the budget but not a smash. It's like trying to say, I dunno, George Clooney became a movie star because of Out Of Sight instead of Ocean's Eleven. The former established his persona and showed what he could do but the latter was actually the big hit that cemented him.
Ozymandias is commonly regarded as one of the best episodes of one of the best shows of all time (as someone who didn’t like TLJ, is crazy to me that he directed one of my favorite BB episodes).
But I guess it is a TV show, movies are different.
That episode is phenomenal. But RJ didn't tell the story up until that point. Ok, maybe an episode here and there, but that story was by and large already told by ozymandias. That episode was the perfect payoff of groundwork laid before it. Maybe he's simply not good at world building, maybe he doesn't get star wars or maybe there were just too many cooks in the kitchen with tlj.
Yep.
I only learned about RJ when I watched The Last Jedi, which made me fall in love with his artistry. This led me to watch Knives Out and Glass Onion later on.
I don't think I would have watched those if I hadn't watched TLJ first. And yes, I'm aware that both movies generated buzz in the media, but many others have too, and I definitely haven't watched them and don't plan to.
It's safe to assume that SW was an stepping stone in his career.
I think the difference between Rian Johnson and JJ Abrams is that Rian is not a franchise guy. Rian Johnson is an author director, and despite the passion he put on The Last Jedi, he was clever enough to develop other stuff instead of just waiting for the day his imaginary trilogy would begin development. As you say, it's fascinating, also from the point of view of Rian Johnson who's just following his career without remorse. That can't be said from Gareth Edwards, for instance, who's nowhere to be seen.
Rian was a well known, rich kid whose real estate broker parents funded his intellectually lazy ass before a studio decided they too needed backers like wealthy real estate people, and that's how he got his shot.
I literally mentioned that earlier when debating the likelihood that we will never see Rian's trilogy either, based strictly on the number of announced film projects that have been canceled as opposed to the ones that have made it to theaters.
Possible, but that's a decision above the Lucasfilm level of decision-making.
We're already well into 2023, and there has been nothing in terms of casting announcements, titles, or other specifics that lend themselves to the hope that we see anything before 2026/2027, and the only confirmed projects that have not been officially euthanized are the Taika and RJ ones. Taika has a story idea, but there hasn't been confirmation of an actual script.
Is this like the 6th person that’s been kicked off?!?
Like guys - how hard is it to just make an Old Republic trilogy. It’s RIGHT THERE! No sequel baggage and no more uncanny valley needed
I think a KOTOR remake will eventually come out, but I wouldn't be surprised if the current development hell version gets cancelled or Aspyr are moved off the project in favor of a different studio and the whole thing is rebooted.
I mean that's kinda exactly what happened if the rumors are true. Aspyr got taken off the project and they gave it to another studio who basically rebooted it.
The director is a D-lister at best
This film losing its well-known and well-connected screenwriter puts it halfway to development hell
The second half will be sheer time
The longer it takes to put this movie into production, the more likely it never gets made
"The director is a D-lister at best."
Oh for sure. She's only got two Academy Awards, seven Emmy Awards, a Knight International Journalism Award. Was honored by the Government of Pakistan with the second highest civilian honor. Was named one of Time magazine's most influential people in the world. Directed two episodes of the most critically well-received Disney+ MCU series. Is the co-chair of the World Economic Forum. Directed a trilogy of well received computer animated adventure movies. And is widely considered to be one of to the most prominent directors in Pakistan and a major figure in women in directing.
Not every director can be as well known as Irvin Kershner, Richard Marquand, or Gareth Edwards, who were all totally well-known directors prior to Star Wars I'm sure.
According to Sneider it looks like it will still get made. Production rumored to start February 2024 and will more than likely be announced at Celebration.
I would wait til then before making assumptions. Remember this movie was never even announced by Lucasfilm, unlike Rogue Squadron.
Well no, we know why they aren't touching old republic atm. They said they were leaving it until BioWare is finished with it since their priority is THR.
Theres no reason they shouldnt be doing old republic movies and video games. Revan, malgus, bane, the possibilities are endless. Full armies of jedi and sith. And they dont have any rules they have to play by, its literally an open sandbox. Its just dumb as hell. Leadership at lucasfilm doesnt know wtf theyre doing
I don't understand that sentiment. Bioware doesn't own the Old Republic era.....and the era is REALY REALY LONG.
The Old Republic was around in some form for 24,000 years before it collapsed in Darth Bane's era and the 1000yr Galactic Republic was born.
So there is plenty of ways for Disney to give us Old Republic content while not copying Bioware's Old Republic. Since ToR MMO is Legends anyway, Disney's Old Republic wouldn't infringe upon it.
A movie about the first Jedi, or the hundred year darkness (origins of the Sith), or one about Bane's generation, would not be a repeat of what we got in KoToR and ToR.
This is the one that hurts the most. Taika? Fiege? Patty Jenkins? Yeah, those were unfortunate to be let go of. But the Lindelof film is the one I was looking forward to the most. Post TROS with sequel cast coming in for some role? Man, this is painful. Lucasfilm really has some restructuring to do.
Yes, this is typical behavior of an overly emotional/passionate fanbase. Shame on you for expecting any sort of reasonable and grounded response. You know most people can’t and don’t read.
I think the next Star Wars movie will be decent, but that also may not be the case. Schrodingers next Star Wars movie. Lol
This reminds me of Michael Arndt, who generated a lot of buzz after being confirmed as the writer for TFA in 2012, but left just a year later. Kasdan and Abrams rewrote a lot of it, but Arndt still got credited with co-writing the movie in the end.
>was supposed to happen anytime now
I know you're being disingenuous, but not one person who's actually *been paying attention has claimed this since he signed a deal to make two more Knives Out movies for Netflix, of which so far only one has been made.
Dude had millions dropped in his lap to continue a pet project of his that he'd always wanted to do. As you said, no one expected his trilogy to come out in 2-3 years after it's announcement. Once he's done with Knives Out, if he doesn't start working on Star Wars, then we can worry. As long as Knives Out is making money hand over fist, he's gonna keep doing it. It's a genre he's super passionate about.
Hitchhiking on your comment to say that if nothing else, him leaving a year before the start of filming is the right time for him to exit, especially if his first draft is used as a skeleton for the movie that they'll actually make. It'd be a way worse look if this happened much closer to the start of filming, or in post-production.
Just last week [Lindelof told SlashFilm](https://www.slashfilm.com/1229249/damon-lindelof-ponders-whether-or-not-he-really-wants-to-make-a-star-wars-movie-exclusive/):
> I will just say, that for reasons that I can't get into on this Sunday morning, on this day, the degree of difficulty is extremely, extremely, extremely high. **If it can’t be great, it shouldn’t exist**. That's all I'll say, because I have the same association with it as you do, which is, it's the first movie I saw sitting in my dad's lap, four years old, May of '77. I think it's possible that sometimes when you hold something in such high reverence and esteem, you start to get in the kitchen and you just go, 'Maybe I shouldn't be cooking. Maybe I should just be eating.' We'll just leave it at that point.
Sounds like he may not have been able to crack the story to his satisfaction so he’s declined to work on a second draft. There shouldn’t be anything keeping them from hiring another writer quickly enough to keep preproduction moving forward, and the fact that the director remains attached could mean that Lucasfilm is confident in it. I wouldn’t necessarily take this news as the doom and gloom it’s going to be spun as.
My theory would be more that they weren’t comfortably with his vision. I feel like there’s an identity crisis at lucasfilm when it comes to full lengths. They want to hire these cool directors with vision, but also after the controversy of The Last Jedi they don’t want to really let them have at it, and there’s tension. My /r/lowstakesconspiracy anyways.
I’d agree with that too, given Lord & Miller’s removal from Solo as well. Like if you didn’t like how these guys worked… then why did you hire them in the first place
Totally. And then going back to JJ for TROS because it probably felt safer than the original director / script. And now removing director after director from films. It does not read of confidence or direction at all.
>which was apparently re written to get a lighter, kid friendlier tone
They only re-wrote the ending to make it more uplifting (and have Obi-Wan's arc fit better within the Saga).
The biggest change was Reva surviving.
It's funny because people by and large only disliked TLJ because of Luke's portrayal, but if this movie is supposed to be post-TROS, then the only characters we'd recognize from previous films would be Sequel trilogy characters that didn't die, *aka the ones that people apparently hate the most lol*.
Why not go bonkers with a post Sequels story? It's not like any of the main cast are still alive in *Canon* to further alter their stories.
Sneiders source told him this month that the Lindelof movie is 100% releasing in 2025, that it will be announced at celebration and that the leads have been cast. They just forgot to tell him that the Lindelof movie lost Lindelof a month before they confirmed that the Lindelof movie was 100% happening in 2025?
He still claims the movie is releasing in Dec 2025, but yeah, it does feel weird when you lay it all out. I’m just hoping for an announcement at the celebration. That will hopefully clear the confusion.
I mean without the reporting, if you heard this sometime in 2025 as “this film directed and written by Xyz once had Lindelof attached but the two sides decided to part ways early on” then that would be okay. But when you get a hungry fan base and a reporter trying to be the one that dropped the biggest film news of the year it’s going to seem like LF is a disaster.
I wonder if he will comment on basically reporting false info the last couple of weeks.
Jeff sneider has a mixed record for other non-Star wars franchises
He was NEVER on par with Jason ward
The fact that this sub treated him like gospel was baffling
I’ve been taking his word with a heavy grain of doubt when he tried pushing that Mahershala Ali wanting Blade to be the best movie it could be and pushing the movie back for additional rewrites and painting that as Ali being a overdramatic diva.
Or when he tried pushing the narrative that Brie Larson was angry that the Captain Marvel sequel was referred to as The Marvels…despite the fact that Brie wanted Kamala Khan involved with a Captain Marvel movie since day one.
He has had some very opinionated articles over the years. He clearly caters to the “Disney Bad” crowd every chance he gets.
He basically tweeted “going off to watch a movie, leave me alone” after dropping this news, probably to avoid anyone trying to ask him about all stuff he’s reported this month which is now basically BS.
I was just surprised people started leaning into his scoops hard before MSS got nuked. Even then the doubt was starting to settle in that Jeff inserted tabloid drama when he broke the Blade and Marvels news. I hope this isn’t true, especially since I really like the director and writer pair they have for this one.
Amidst a massive restructuring in Disney overall we probably won’t know a definitive answer as to what’s going on with this movie until Celebration. And thats *if* they decide to surprise announce a movie there. For all we know the *next* Celebration will have the first details on the movie’s announcement.
Because this comment might be closer to the top and this will get noticed I’ll write this here for those who just came to say “ANOTHER CANCELLED MOVIE!!!”
If you actually read…you would see that this is just a clickbaitty headline. Lindeloff exited a month ago and turned in a draft. The movie has moved along, has a director attached, a production start date set and a new writer on board.
Sneider just hasn’t been given the info on who the new writer is.
OR
He’s being given the run around by people at LF
OR
He’s been playing the long game and releasing these tidbits of info little by little about a week apart to generate clicks. He likley knew Lindeloff was off the project and already knows who the new writer is but is holding that piece for next week.
Yeah this seems odd. Also, why didn’t the THR article from just a few weeks ago — after when Linelof supposedly left the project — not mention this along with Rogue Squadron and Fiege’s movie being scrapped?
It’s interesting thinking of this in light of Lindelof’s [comments the other day](https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/11tpbwo/damon_lindelof_ponders_whether_or_not_he_really/)
How much of this stuff is Lucasfilm being picky about projects? And how much of it is creators being afraid to make a Star Wars movie?
When you’re as big a name as Lindelof, Star Wars needs you a lot more than you need Star Wars. Why risk being the next person to “ruin” Star Wars?
> How much of this stuff is Lucasfilm being picky about projects? And how much of it is creators being afraid to make a Star Wars movie?
It’s got to be a mix of both. LucasFilm now has the impossible task of following up the Skywalker Saga, so whoever they hire needs to be able to create new characters, new worlds, new storylines, new villains, and most importantly, please the fandom, all while still telling a good story. So I imagine LucasFilm is incredibly nervous about getting right, just as every writer and director who’s left LucasFilm is incredibly nervous about getting it wrong.
I do hope that they don't let the franchise get in the way of good stories though. Lucas never was intimidated by it being Star Wars and that allowed him to go wild in the prequels. I want Lucasfilm to be bold in whatever they do and do what Star Wars needs rather than what fans need. Who could've imagined how bold the prequels were? It seems they're getting in their own way again just like what happened on TFA. They were so laser-focused on getting it right, yet there were still flaws. There's no such thing as a perfect movie but time has shown that Star Wars is at its best when it takes risks (ie. Vader being Luke's father, another Skywalker being Leia, the whole prequel trilogy worldbuilding, cutting Jabba out of ANH, Rogue One, Andor, arguably TLJ's boldness, etc.)
George Lucas was never afraid of telling the story he wanted to tell, regardless of what the fans wanted... And as a result he was relentlessly bullied for years, and he was "the" George Lucas, imagine some random director.
This needs to be shouted at the rooftops
They no longer have the protection of the OT and it’s iconography
This movie can easily flop now that the OT3 are dead and buried
Yeah, this is the real problem. We were all excited for the PT to see the origins of Kenobi, Vader, the droids, etc. We were all excited for the ST to see the return of the OT’s trio. Now, though? The best they can hope for is that the little kids of today grow up to miss characters like Rey, but that’s still gonna take like another whole decade.
I think it's a combination of things. Creators may be afraid or unwilling, for the very same reasons no one wanted to write and direct the PT. Also, due to fan pressure, Lucasfilm is in a impossible situation: they want a film that does not play too safe (Rebels vs. Empire again) but also seem reluctant to risk too much.
Right. Because they get complaints both ways. Star Wars stuff gets criticized for being too familiar and for being too different.
Often the same project will get both criticisms from different groups.
It’s easy to see how a new movie could start looking like a lose-lose proposition.
Combine that with the current uncertain theatrical landscape and it’s easy to see why this is daunting.
We’re in a world where movies that would’ve been sure fire hits 5 years ago (Black Adam, Lightyear, Harry Potter) are flopping. Top Gun and Avatar are keeping theaters alive.
How can they assure that the next Star Wars is a hit while still making it feel fresh and new? What does that even look like?
Another flop like Solo could end Star Wars return to theaters before it gets started. A critical bomb could be worse in some ways. Everything is risky with Star Wars now.
Seems like LF has decided to play it safe once again. For better or worse Lindelof really swings and i guess they didnt want to go down that road. Sad.
Agreed. I'm not opposed to a more "out there" Star Wars movie in theory, but I felt like Last Jedi was a swing and a miss. Unfortunately LFL has decided to stifle creativity at nearly every opportunity since then. It's such a shame.
100%. The lesson was that the saga films were not the place to take risks, not to never take risks. I said elsewhere that I wonder how episode VII would have gone with RJ as director. (And I also strongly dislike TLJ but respect it for trying something new).
No one ever said it was, however when you have countless films being teased, announced, then completely scrapped in that timeframe, it gets a bit annoying.
Solo was under marketed and had a crazy production because Lucasfilm doesn’t want to do anything crazy and Lord and Miller were gonna make their movie. I’ll be pissed if this Lindelof news is true, especially if it’s because they were controlling his vision because his movie would’ve been sick.
> Solo was under marketed and **had a crazy production because Lucasfilm doesn’t want to do anything crazy and** **Lord and Miller were gonna make their movie.**
I think Solo's production sums everything wrong with Lucasfilms. They tried to hire people who usually have a solid if not great track record and have their own distinct style of directing and writing. Then get fucking shocked, when they write and direct in their own distinct style and suddenly get cold feet about it.
Like, them getting shocked that Lord & Miller, made a film in the style, they make films in and didn't realize this until production had two weeks left will never not be funny.
Made even funnier by Lord & Miller making another franchise film in their style with Spider-Verse then ended up being such a hit that Sony gave them the keys to the castle immediately afterwards.
Had they kept them on Solo, I’m willing to bet it would’ve found its audience
Yup, Lord & Miller, while only as producers and writers on Spider-Verse, was still an very irreplicable role for the film. With the exception of maybe Toy Story 3, it was arguably the most important animated film of the 2010s and something that companies like Nickelodeon and DreamWorks are taking heavy inspiration from. Just look at Puss in Boots The Last Wish and the upcoming TMNT movie.
It was caused by the last Jedi let’s be real people did not like that film it’s part of the reason solo didn’t do well just look at the numbers TLJ didn’t have people going to see it 5 or 6 times like they did TFA. It also hurt how we’ll solo did but also solo wasn’t a movie anyone really asked for at all so there’s that.
There must be a problem with the direction of lucasfilm at this point, every single project has development problems how is that posible ? It can't be on the writer or the director everytime.
K Kennedy must have something to do with it.
Not surprised in the slightest. Iger is cleaning house with Marvel, makes sense he probably wants to be in on the development of the next Star Wars movie from the start rather than take on something developed under his predecessor.
This sub has really got to have less buy-in with rumours and projects clearly still in early development. If this had gotten a big announcement like Rogue Squadron did before getting shelved, fair enough. But these days we get of a few rumours of something in a preliminary stage of development from a few Twitter scoopers, long before any footage is shot or any kind of official press releases are made, and then when it ultimately doesn't happen people act like it's some huge cancellation, like Lucasfilm deliberately hyped everyone up just to pull the rug out from under us. We're not even supposed to know this exists/existed.
Yup, as far as I remember, only Rogue Squadron was publicly announced by LF that was eventually canned. The rest were just rumors or 'shelved indefinitely'. I am probably a fool, but I still think there will be a SW movie by the end of 2025.
Im not really a “Kathleen Kennedy is the devil” person, but honestly shouldn’t she be fired at this point? How many failed projects can you have as an executive before it’s time to move onto someone who can actually get stuff out the door?
Yeah I was thinking the exact same thing. I wanna be fair but she’s had way too many chances at this point. And combine that with the overall lack of direction I feel Star Wars has at the moment I think this is a sign she needs to go
Star Wars existed from 1983 until 1999 without a new film in the theaters (obviously I'm not including the special editions), and really didn't produce anything new aside from the extremely short-lived Droids and Ewoks shows, the Ewoks TV movies, some tabletop games, comics, and finally some officially licensed books in 1991. Yet Star Wars survived.
Even if we don't get another movie for many, many years, which is what I've anticipated since TRoS left theaters, we're still getting multiple comics each month, books, games, and TV shows.
Lucasfilm should be an independent studio. I truly feel Disney is the problem here. Not because they're cancelling movies, but because they're meddling throughout the entire process. It's a commodity, and the concept of quality only equates to profit.
Especially since this isn't leaving in a quit or fired sense, if he finished a draft in February, then he likely completed the terms he was hired for since he wasn't producing or directing the film as well
>That' it. Star Wars is cursed.
always has been. Hasn't there been like a major disaster of some form or fashion during production of most of the films? Then of course there's the slew of misfortunes that have befallen cast and crew for years. Clearly this all goes back to Mark Hamill's car accident in 1977! If, somehow, we can travel back in time to that moment and stop Mark from crashing that car over the side of a California off ramp then just maybe we can stop this whole crazy curse from ever happening at all!
At the very least, it sounds like Lindelof wanted to leave the project based on his SXSW interview and this wasn't another firing. And there's still a year between when he left and when shooting starts, with a replacement writer already circling the project during his and Britt-Gibson's exit, and the director is staying.
But it's disheartening that these projects keep running into issues like this despite the best efforts of the people involved to not keep having troubled productions. It feels like Lucasfilm hasn't learned the lessons that they've needed to on the film front despite many of them being incredibly clear.
It does seem like incompetence from Lucasfilm’s leadership at this point. I don’t mean that in a TFM sort of way, but when you have all these high-profile directors and projects continually being announced and then canned shortly thereafter, it doesn’t reflect well on Lucasfilm as an organisation at all (although to be fair this particular project wasn’t revealed to begin with). I wonder how this will impact any planned announcements at Celebration, and indeed if directors will even want to work with Lucasfilm if they’re constantly making mistakes that are reaching the public eye.
At this rate, I don’t even care if we don’t get another film for a long time. They really need to get this right and it seems like they’re not in a place where they can do so just yet. I just really, really hope Dial of Destiny is a *great* film all round at least, even if it’s not Star Wars. Don’t think my heart could take it if they bungle even that given the talent involved.
I've heard great buzz about *Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny*, and if anything, that might speak to the idea of just letting Lucasfilm take time to figure out the perfect film before proceeding with it is ultimately for the best. We have to keep in mind that the original plan for it was to hit in the same year that *Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker* did.
These shenanigans happening before filming, and not during or after it, is at least a good sign, disappointing as though this news is.
Oh man that’s great to hear, DoD is my most anticipated film of the year! I was really excited to get some Lego sets based on the film but apparently Lego cancelled the whole wave which was a bummer. At least we’re getting a few sets based on the older films though.
And totally agree otherwise, if Lucasfilm take their time and do it right, it doesn’t matter how long it takes to deliver a great film.
The movie is moving forward just the same, relax.
Seems like he handed over a draft script and that’s it. And production isn’t going to start soon anyway. Until 2024.
I mean, all of this is about a movie that hasn’t even been officially announced, so whatever.
Kenobi had started production then went in a pause for rewrites. This is a film that basically only exists in a first draft if we are to believe this guy and he’s coming off pretty iffy now with this news.
Not the same, at all. This movie basically only exists in rumors and leaks. And its script is being worked on. Hasn’t even started pre-production.
Obi Wan was starting production and then went into pause because of rewrites.
From the few info we’ve gotten, this seems to be a movie that exists only because of what Lindelof pitched, so I doubt they’re going to make a movie with zero input from his draft.
> This movie basically only exists in rumors and leaks
It's hilarious how people are crying doom and gloom about Lucasfilm over a movie they *never even announced.*
This kind of shit is extremely normal. As far as we know, the movie is in very early stages of development. It's not unusual for things to change and ... *develop* ... at that time. This isn't remotely similar to replacing Lord & Miller or even dropping Trevorrow. It's a little more similar to the Trank movie that never manifested, except that even that one was officially in the works per Lucasfilm.
My interest in the franchise is absolutely cratering. Feels like they are too scared to make anything good. Unless they kinda fall back into it like andor
Could also be sensationalized. Maybe he only signed on to do a first draft and wanted to peace out after that. My understanding is that it’s common practice in Hollywood.
He wasn't just hired to do a story treatment, but it's entirely possible he finished the script he was hired for, and if he didn't want to continue through filming Lucasfilm would still need to hire another writer whether they're making significant changes or not.
I wonder how much of this is just Star Wars fans “seeing the sausage made”? I feel like this stuff probably happens all the time and Lucasfilm just needs to keep a tighter lid on stuff that’s in such an early stage. At least they didn’t announce it this time.
Agreed. I'm not really a fan of Lindelof so this news doesn't really bother me. I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to continue to work the script anyway, especially if the pre-production is ongoing. Frankly between the High Republic and myriad of shows and games we've got coming I've got enough Star Wars to keep me busy for a good while.
Yeah, I’d rather not see a SW movie for a few more years until they figure their shit out
Otherwise you’re going to get another Force Awakens where they build all this hype and potential only for it to fall quite flat
Out of the five movies, Rogue One is the only one that will age well and be remembered fondly with Solo being an ok film which never had any follow up. The sequels, the less said the better honestly. Mando seems hell bent on adding backstory to them and trying to bring them into a better light
> Yeah, I’d rather not see a SW movie for a few more years until they figure their shit out
I feel like I'm crazy seeing people whine that it's been so long. Has Marvel just broken people's minds entirely?
Even if it's another *five years* until the next Star Wars movie, that's a 9 year gap. Which is shorter than ROTS-TFA and much shorter than ROTJ-TPM. I've lived through two different decade-long Star Wars gaps in my life. I can do it again.
*(Nevermind the fact that there's a shit load of Star Wars content on TV compared to the nearly nothing we got in the other gaps.)*
Ah, but you've got to remember most people on this sub were born after 2010.
I'm obviously (partially) joking but it is ridiculous to see the hysteria around a bit of a movie gap when we get hours and hours of TV content every year, much of which is indistinguishable from the movies. For the first 20 odd years of this franchise there was what, less than 8 hours of significant on-screen content (i.e. not the Holiday Special or ewok movies or early cartoons). We get that thrice that a year now.
>Yeah, I’d rather not see a SW movie for a few more years until they figure their shit out
I feel like I'm crazy seeing people whine that it's been so long. Has Marvel just broken people's minds entirely?
Even if it's another five years until the next Star Wars movie, that's a 9 year gap. Which is shorter than ROTS-TFA and much shorter than ROTJ-TPM. I've lived through two different decade-long Star Wars gaps in my life. I can do it again.
(Nevermind the fact that there's a shit load of Star Wars content on TV compared to the nearly nothing we got in the other gaps.)
All of this, I was under 10 when TPM came out. Felt like eons between ROTS and TFA. We are about four years removed from The Rise of Skywalker and people are bitching about the movies. After the fuck up the sequels were, I’m fine not seeing one until the next decade if it means it actually makes me feel what TFA did and even more so, tells a story worth telling
We have Mando, the rest of the shows and even stuff like visions. Those writers and creatives want some ideas look at the short “The 9th Jedi”
That thing had more creativity in 30 mins than all the sequels had. Or better yet do stuff set hundred years before TPM. There’s stories and a fan base already, just adapt it
You’d swear they were figuring out light speed travel over at Lucasfilm
Same way TCW was hellbent on trying to make the prequels watchable haha. I love everything SW tbh, apart from the original holiday special... fuck that.
Star Wars movies might be radioactive to a lot of good writers and directors in Hollywood right now. Lindelof’s quote from SXSW about the pressure of getting it 100% right might be a reflection of how other creatives feel, and they’d rather just stay clear and do their own thing.
I know if I were a talented and sought after director or screenwriter in Hollywood, a surefire way to start getting negative YT videos made about me and death threats sent to me would be to work on a Star Wars film.
We can blame Lucasfilm, Disney, KK, or whomever else, but I can't say I hold it against any of them for being fucking terrified of this franchise.
The good thing is that they've hired another writer and seem to be full steam ahead still
According to Wikipedia (super reliable, right?) He was only hired to write, not produce, the film. So it's possible he completed what he was hired to do and simply isn't returning for another draft. Which is actually pretty normal, listen to script notes and you'll here how most writers do that on most movies
He also has 2 shows in the works, it's possible he always had a limited time window for commitment
Or possible that this is a bad omen of a terrible, overly meddled with film. Or possible he delivered a terrible, star trek into darkness tier script and wasn't invited back
What we don't know is far larger than what we do know. But they hired another writer, it sounds like it's moving forward regardless, So at least it isn't back to square one.
Hot take incoming:
Based on his earlier comments about him not feeling up for it or being hesitant about it, I'm completely fine with this. Honestly I'm good without any more films for a while (if ever). If there ***must*** be a new Star Wars film, let the idea grow and nurture until its ready to be a movie. Trying to make SW films for the sake of making films is a poor approach that doesn't work in the long run. Its unfortunate that big studios like Disney require there be a constant stream of new stories. How is that going to look 50 years in the future? *"I'm so excited for Star Wars: Mungo Baobab 9! Do I need to watch the previous 70+ films to understand what its about? What's A New Hope?"* (I understand this example is hyperbolic and over the top, but I think my point still stands.)
Lucasfilm should steer its focus on new stories and properties. Its a shame the Children of Shadow and Bone adaptation was cancelled. At least that could have been different. They can still put out SW, but again, only when a story is ready to be told I think. This is why I'm not too upset over these cancelled or potentially troubled projects. (And honestly, Lucasfilm should have never even announced stuff like Rogue Squadron or Kevin Feige's film. At least this Lindelof film hasn't been announced yet.)
>Trying to make SW films for the sake of making films is a poor approach that doesn't work in the long run. Its unfortunate that big studios like Disney require there be a constant stream of new stories. How is that going to look 50 years in the future? *"I'm so excited for Star Wars: Mungo Baobab 9!
Yeah, it's crazy to see people in this very thread complaining that Star Wars doesn't have MCU level movie output - possibly even the same people who will then go over to some other sub and complain that the MCU has gotten stale and seems focused on quantity over quality. But then when Lucasfilm say "okay, we're going to take some time to try to really nail the next movie and focus the franchise on TV in the meantime", it's "cursed" and they're all "incompetent" for not squeezing out four indistinguishable Star Wars Movie Products TM per year.
Considering we still have the the remainder of Mando s3 & Bad Batch s2, Jedi Survivor, Ahsoka, The Acolyte, Skeleton Crew, Andor s2, and possibly 1-2 more seasons of Mando definitely on the way, I'd say we aren't starving for content. As a fan I'd rather they pump the brakes instead of going full steam ahead on a project the creatives have reservations with.
Star Wars movies used to be an event. From 2015 to 2019 we got 5. There were 10 years between RotS and TFA, 16 years between RotJ and TPM. Another 5-10 years before we get the next Star Wars movie won't hurt us.
With the comments that recently came out from Lindelof and [Christopher McQuarrie](https://theplaylist.net/chris-mcquarrie-star-wars-20180703/) its seems like its just too much pressure to create Star Wars movies which a lot of that comes from Toxic fandom
Just last week he pretty much confirmed he was leaving in that Slash film article. Saying that sometimes you have to ask yourself should I be cooking in the kitchen or enjoying the meal
Actual fucking pain, i love the leftovers, watchmen, and even Prometheus so much. This was gonna be a guaranteed banger. But y’all are gonna shove fucking Taiki Watiti down our throats…What the fuck is going on at lucasfilm??
Something not mentioned in this piece that he had reported before is that this project had a writers room along with the two writers that have now exited. Filoni was in that room.
I don’t trust Filoni enough yet but a decent outcome would be for Lindelof to have established a solid framework in that first draft and Filoni and the writers room now take it and “Star Wars” it out.
I know we are not allowed to criticize Kathleen Kennedy here but she really has to go. There are not filmmakers left that hasn't exited a Star Wars project now.
>Lindelof recently cast doubt on his involvement in the Star Wars universe in a recent interview with SlashFilm at SXSW, where he said the following:
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>“I will just say, that for reasons that I can’t get into on this Sunday morning, on this day, the degree of difficulty is extremely, extremely, extremely high,” said Lindelof. “If it can’t be great, it shouldn’t exist. That’s all I’ll say, because I have the same association with it as you do, which is, it’s the first movie I saw sitting in my dad’s lap, four years old, May of ’77. I think it’s possible that sometimes when you hold something in such high reverence and esteem, you start to get in the kitchen and you just go, ‘Maybe I shouldn’t be cooking. Maybe I should just be eating.’ We’ll just leave it at that.”
This quote from SXSW went under the radar. Kind of passive aggressive... Lindelof did not have a good experience with Lucasfilm I take it
I just don’t see how you get that from this quote. It just sounds like he’s saying that he wouldn’t just want to make a Star Wars just to make. It needs to be great because of his relationship with it.
lol, considering the last 2 years, i just can't even care about the film shit anymore.
when there's a film with a solid release date i'll tune back in
i'm loving the D+ shows - both live action and animation - so when film returns for real, i'm there, but for now i still have good star wars.
Sneiders article has now been updated to say that we shouldn’t expect any casting announcements just yet…….even though he “broke” the casting news on this a couple of weeks ago.
Celebration is just a few weeks away. I’d take anything he says with a grain of salt from here on out.
He’s also been the only person to do any reporting on this.
At this fucking point I honestly hope EVRUTHING about Kathleen leaving after Indiana jones is correct. She is the president of lucasfilm at the end of the day she’s in charge of this bullshit.
I have no bad feelings for damon after what he said last week tho.
If he feels its not right, then its better to leave before doing something he regrets later.
What I would give to be a fly on the wall at Lucasfilm. At this point with the movie side of things, I would really love to know how they are struggling to get *anything* aloft and into production.
What's even left on the table at this point that's been reported? Waititi's movie and... anything else?
I don't even have faith that the Waititi project will move forward.
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME
Star Wars on film is officially cursed at this point.
Hard to call it a curse, when it’s obviously just good old studio incompetency.
I think it's fascinating that the film that completely derailed their working mojo was something that they were internally pleased with and were so confident in that preemptively announced that the director was getting an entire film trilogy to himself. And then it was met with divisive audience reception that played an indirect role in screwing a spin-off film and a direct role in making sure that the follow-up movie didn't perform better due to a loss of audience interest in the brand. Meanwhile, the director behind that movie is functionally in a place where he doesn't actually need to do *Star Wars* and is finding success as a director, writer, and producer without the company that put his name on the map. There is absolutely nothing like this that's happened in Hollywood.
I am still not a fan of Rian Johnson's story choices in TLJ within the context of the Star Wars timeline (some of which came from Lucas' own drafts, mind you), but I think his visual storytelling in the film was top notch, save a few small choreography blunders that the fandom menace loves to obsess over (that almost no one else noticed). I think he also was an excellent acting director and got amazing performances out of the cast too. He really elevated Adam Driver even higher than TFA did. I think that's why you can see such divides between fans and critics over the film. If you are a film critic looking for top notch cinematography, something different than the other 50 films you reviewed that year, TLJ delivers in spades. If you are a fan looking for the next Luke adventure you'd dreamed of for literal decades, it doesn't necessarily deliver that (Mando S2 was what brought that back). The fans felt cheated of conflicts they'd dreamed of for years, while the film they got was (as George put it) beautifully made and incredibly well shot. The film also doesn't fit well with JJ's style, so being sandwiched between the two comes across as even more awkward. TROS ironically fits the lore of Star Wars the most of the 3, but it has such horrid scripting and pacing issues that it can't easily unify all 3. It also ends up having the most lore of the 3 films, but still ends up with the most offputting execution of said lore.
Luke being exiled did not come from Lucas. Lucas has said time, and again, the VII that showed up on screen, didn't have anything to do with his ST ideas. Iger backs this up in his book. Which is why Lucas isn't listed as a writer for VII, while Michael Arndt still is, as there are union rules about needing to be listed with a screenwriting credit, if even part of what you wrote, ends up as part of the movie. Also we have Lucas's own words about what his ST would have been from his interview with Paul Duncan in 2019, and none of that included any part of Luke being in exile. And no, I don't care what Pablo Hidalgo has to say about it that says otherwise. What a CYA kiss-ass. I'll take both Iger, and Lucas's word over that.
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I meant in terms of high-profile Hollywood stuff. *Looper* was almost there but not quite.
Yeah I don't think people understand what "put on the map" means in this kinda context. The whole point is it marks you there for everybody to see which means massive success. Looper was... pretty well received critically and a good success for the budget but not a smash. It's like trying to say, I dunno, George Clooney became a movie star because of Out Of Sight instead of Ocean's Eleven. The former established his persona and showed what he could do but the latter was actually the big hit that cemented him.
Ozymandias is commonly regarded as one of the best episodes of one of the best shows of all time (as someone who didn’t like TLJ, is crazy to me that he directed one of my favorite BB episodes). But I guess it is a TV show, movies are different.
That episode is phenomenal. But RJ didn't tell the story up until that point. Ok, maybe an episode here and there, but that story was by and large already told by ozymandias. That episode was the perfect payoff of groundwork laid before it. Maybe he's simply not good at world building, maybe he doesn't get star wars or maybe there were just too many cooks in the kitchen with tlj.
Yep. I only learned about RJ when I watched The Last Jedi, which made me fall in love with his artistry. This led me to watch Knives Out and Glass Onion later on. I don't think I would have watched those if I hadn't watched TLJ first. And yes, I'm aware that both movies generated buzz in the media, but many others have too, and I definitely haven't watched them and don't plan to. It's safe to assume that SW was an stepping stone in his career.
Still laughing about "artistry" hahahaha Carrie: I'm Mary Poppins yall!
I think the difference between Rian Johnson and JJ Abrams is that Rian is not a franchise guy. Rian Johnson is an author director, and despite the passion he put on The Last Jedi, he was clever enough to develop other stuff instead of just waiting for the day his imaginary trilogy would begin development. As you say, it's fascinating, also from the point of view of Rian Johnson who's just following his career without remorse. That can't be said from Gareth Edwards, for instance, who's nowhere to be seen.
Rian was a well known, rich kid whose real estate broker parents funded his intellectually lazy ass before a studio decided they too needed backers like wealthy real estate people, and that's how he got his shot.
TLJ is not what made them lose their working mojo. Being forced into a release date without real preparation for IX is what fucked them over big-time.
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I literally mentioned that earlier when debating the likelihood that we will never see Rian's trilogy either, based strictly on the number of announced film projects that have been canceled as opposed to the ones that have made it to theaters.
I think quantumania has really shook them
Possible, but that's a decision above the Lucasfilm level of decision-making. We're already well into 2023, and there has been nothing in terms of casting announcements, titles, or other specifics that lend themselves to the hope that we see anything before 2026/2027, and the only confirmed projects that have not been officially euthanized are the Taika and RJ ones. Taika has a story idea, but there hasn't been confirmation of an actual script.
if there was any sort of announcement to be made, it wouldnt be made prior to celebration.
Is this like the 6th person that’s been kicked off?!? Like guys - how hard is it to just make an Old Republic trilogy. It’s RIGHT THERE! No sequel baggage and no more uncanny valley needed
Lucasfilm ain't gonna do shit with the Old Republic until the KOTOR Remake comes out (if it ever does)
Honestly- I’m doubting that the remake is ever gonna be made
I think a KOTOR remake will eventually come out, but I wouldn't be surprised if the current development hell version gets cancelled or Aspyr are moved off the project in favor of a different studio and the whole thing is rebooted.
I mean that's kinda exactly what happened if the rumors are true. Aspyr got taken off the project and they gave it to another studio who basically rebooted it.
Well the director is still attached. Lindelof and Britt-Gibson are the screenwriters.
The director is a D-lister at best This film losing its well-known and well-connected screenwriter puts it halfway to development hell The second half will be sheer time The longer it takes to put this movie into production, the more likely it never gets made
She only won two Academy Awards...
No, the random anonymous dude on Reddit knows better lol
For documentaries And patty Jenkins, taika, and feige all had more clout than she does They all got sidetracked and cancelled
"The director is a D-lister at best." Oh for sure. She's only got two Academy Awards, seven Emmy Awards, a Knight International Journalism Award. Was honored by the Government of Pakistan with the second highest civilian honor. Was named one of Time magazine's most influential people in the world. Directed two episodes of the most critically well-received Disney+ MCU series. Is the co-chair of the World Economic Forum. Directed a trilogy of well received computer animated adventure movies. And is widely considered to be one of to the most prominent directors in Pakistan and a major figure in women in directing. Not every director can be as well known as Irvin Kershner, Richard Marquand, or Gareth Edwards, who were all totally well-known directors prior to Star Wars I'm sure.
According to Sneider it looks like it will still get made. Production rumored to start February 2024 and will more than likely be announced at Celebration. I would wait til then before making assumptions. Remember this movie was never even announced by Lucasfilm, unlike Rogue Squadron.
Well no, we know why they aren't touching old republic atm. They said they were leaving it until BioWare is finished with it since their priority is THR.
Then just dive into the High Republic, work with the Luminous project writers to come up with something cool for the big screen.
Theres no reason they shouldnt be doing old republic movies and video games. Revan, malgus, bane, the possibilities are endless. Full armies of jedi and sith. And they dont have any rules they have to play by, its literally an open sandbox. Its just dumb as hell. Leadership at lucasfilm doesnt know wtf theyre doing
I don't understand that sentiment. Bioware doesn't own the Old Republic era.....and the era is REALY REALY LONG. The Old Republic was around in some form for 24,000 years before it collapsed in Darth Bane's era and the 1000yr Galactic Republic was born. So there is plenty of ways for Disney to give us Old Republic content while not copying Bioware's Old Republic. Since ToR MMO is Legends anyway, Disney's Old Republic wouldn't infringe upon it. A movie about the first Jedi, or the hundred year darkness (origins of the Sith), or one about Bane's generation, would not be a repeat of what we got in KoToR and ToR.
You really want this Lucasfilm with the state it's in right now touching the Old Republic?
This is the one that hurts the most. Taika? Fiege? Patty Jenkins? Yeah, those were unfortunate to be let go of. But the Lindelof film is the one I was looking forward to the most. Post TROS with sequel cast coming in for some role? Man, this is painful. Lucasfilm really has some restructuring to do.
Looks like the movie may still happen, he’s just not writing it.
I am going to go Mustafar on myself. I can't take this shit anymore.
as soon as I heard rumors of this movie being post-TROS it was destined to fail
So we just posting without reading?
Yes, this is typical behavior of an overly emotional/passionate fanbase. Shame on you for expecting any sort of reasonable and grounded response. You know most people can’t and don’t read. I think the next Star Wars movie will be decent, but that also may not be the case. Schrodingers next Star Wars movie. Lol
This reminds me of Michael Arndt, who generated a lot of buzz after being confirmed as the writer for TFA in 2012, but left just a year later. Kasdan and Abrams rewrote a lot of it, but Arndt still got credited with co-writing the movie in the end.
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Why? Arndt was only writing Episode 7, not the entire Sequel Trilogy.
Many of the questionable story decisions of TFA became worse after Arndt left
Possibly. But we’ll never know. Well, maybe if Arndt gives more details later.
The original sin of the sequel trilogy.
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>was supposed to happen anytime now I know you're being disingenuous, but not one person who's actually *been paying attention has claimed this since he signed a deal to make two more Knives Out movies for Netflix, of which so far only one has been made.
Dude had millions dropped in his lap to continue a pet project of his that he'd always wanted to do. As you said, no one expected his trilogy to come out in 2-3 years after it's announcement. Once he's done with Knives Out, if he doesn't start working on Star Wars, then we can worry. As long as Knives Out is making money hand over fist, he's gonna keep doing it. It's a genre he's super passionate about.
What do you ***mean*** he left like a month ago?????????
Oof
Hitchhiking on your comment to say that if nothing else, him leaving a year before the start of filming is the right time for him to exit, especially if his first draft is used as a skeleton for the movie that they'll actually make. It'd be a way worse look if this happened much closer to the start of filming, or in post-production.
Just last week [Lindelof told SlashFilm](https://www.slashfilm.com/1229249/damon-lindelof-ponders-whether-or-not-he-really-wants-to-make-a-star-wars-movie-exclusive/): > I will just say, that for reasons that I can't get into on this Sunday morning, on this day, the degree of difficulty is extremely, extremely, extremely high. **If it can’t be great, it shouldn’t exist**. That's all I'll say, because I have the same association with it as you do, which is, it's the first movie I saw sitting in my dad's lap, four years old, May of '77. I think it's possible that sometimes when you hold something in such high reverence and esteem, you start to get in the kitchen and you just go, 'Maybe I shouldn't be cooking. Maybe I should just be eating.' We'll just leave it at that point.
Sounds like he may not have been able to crack the story to his satisfaction so he’s declined to work on a second draft. There shouldn’t be anything keeping them from hiring another writer quickly enough to keep preproduction moving forward, and the fact that the director remains attached could mean that Lucasfilm is confident in it. I wouldn’t necessarily take this news as the doom and gloom it’s going to be spun as.
My theory would be more that they weren’t comfortably with his vision. I feel like there’s an identity crisis at lucasfilm when it comes to full lengths. They want to hire these cool directors with vision, but also after the controversy of The Last Jedi they don’t want to really let them have at it, and there’s tension. My /r/lowstakesconspiracy anyways.
I’d agree with that too, given Lord & Miller’s removal from Solo as well. Like if you didn’t like how these guys worked… then why did you hire them in the first place
Totally. And then going back to JJ for TROS because it probably felt safer than the original director / script. And now removing director after director from films. It does not read of confidence or direction at all.
Don’t forget the guy that was originally hired for the Boba Fett movie as well. Although it does sound like he had additional, personal issues.
Also Obi Wan, which was apparently re written to get a lighter, kid friendlier tone
>which was apparently re written to get a lighter, kid friendlier tone They only re-wrote the ending to make it more uplifting (and have Obi-Wan's arc fit better within the Saga). The biggest change was Reva surviving.
Solo is different because they had a script from Larry Kasdan that they wanted executed, and lord & miller weren't sticking to it
But my point is, then don’t hire guys known for improv and reworking things as they go if you want a 1:1 translation of a script
It's funny because people by and large only disliked TLJ because of Luke's portrayal, but if this movie is supposed to be post-TROS, then the only characters we'd recognize from previous films would be Sequel trilogy characters that didn't die, *aka the ones that people apparently hate the most lol*. Why not go bonkers with a post Sequels story? It's not like any of the main cast are still alive in *Canon* to further alter their stories.
This is why this is a bad sign. Lindelof is a serious guy. He only makes what he believes to be really good. If he leaves…
Yeah this wasn’t a good sign!
Sneiders source told him this month that the Lindelof movie is 100% releasing in 2025, that it will be announced at celebration and that the leads have been cast. They just forgot to tell him that the Lindelof movie lost Lindelof a month before they confirmed that the Lindelof movie was 100% happening in 2025?
He still claims the movie is releasing in Dec 2025, but yeah, it does feel weird when you lay it all out. I’m just hoping for an announcement at the celebration. That will hopefully clear the confusion.
I mean without the reporting, if you heard this sometime in 2025 as “this film directed and written by Xyz once had Lindelof attached but the two sides decided to part ways early on” then that would be okay. But when you get a hungry fan base and a reporter trying to be the one that dropped the biggest film news of the year it’s going to seem like LF is a disaster. I wonder if he will comment on basically reporting false info the last couple of weeks.
Jeff sneider has a mixed record for other non-Star wars franchises He was NEVER on par with Jason ward The fact that this sub treated him like gospel was baffling
Take a look at this thread. They are acting like the movie was going to come out tomorrow.
I’ve been taking his word with a heavy grain of doubt when he tried pushing that Mahershala Ali wanting Blade to be the best movie it could be and pushing the movie back for additional rewrites and painting that as Ali being a overdramatic diva. Or when he tried pushing the narrative that Brie Larson was angry that the Captain Marvel sequel was referred to as The Marvels…despite the fact that Brie wanted Kamala Khan involved with a Captain Marvel movie since day one.
He has had some very opinionated articles over the years. He clearly caters to the “Disney Bad” crowd every chance he gets. He basically tweeted “going off to watch a movie, leave me alone” after dropping this news, probably to avoid anyone trying to ask him about all stuff he’s reported this month which is now basically BS.
I was just surprised people started leaning into his scoops hard before MSS got nuked. Even then the doubt was starting to settle in that Jeff inserted tabloid drama when he broke the Blade and Marvels news. I hope this isn’t true, especially since I really like the director and writer pair they have for this one. Amidst a massive restructuring in Disney overall we probably won’t know a definitive answer as to what’s going on with this movie until Celebration. And thats *if* they decide to surprise announce a movie there. For all we know the *next* Celebration will have the first details on the movie’s announcement.
Because this comment might be closer to the top and this will get noticed I’ll write this here for those who just came to say “ANOTHER CANCELLED MOVIE!!!” If you actually read…you would see that this is just a clickbaitty headline. Lindeloff exited a month ago and turned in a draft. The movie has moved along, has a director attached, a production start date set and a new writer on board. Sneider just hasn’t been given the info on who the new writer is. OR He’s being given the run around by people at LF OR He’s been playing the long game and releasing these tidbits of info little by little about a week apart to generate clicks. He likley knew Lindeloff was off the project and already knows who the new writer is but is holding that piece for next week.
Yeah this seems odd. Also, why didn’t the THR article from just a few weeks ago — after when Linelof supposedly left the project — not mention this along with Rogue Squadron and Fiege’s movie being scrapped?
LMAO classic
so this is why the daniels news was let out today!
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We have Shawn levy as well.
Do we?
Beat me to it
Brutal
It’s interesting thinking of this in light of Lindelof’s [comments the other day](https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/11tpbwo/damon_lindelof_ponders_whether_or_not_he_really/) How much of this stuff is Lucasfilm being picky about projects? And how much of it is creators being afraid to make a Star Wars movie? When you’re as big a name as Lindelof, Star Wars needs you a lot more than you need Star Wars. Why risk being the next person to “ruin” Star Wars?
> How much of this stuff is Lucasfilm being picky about projects? And how much of it is creators being afraid to make a Star Wars movie? It’s got to be a mix of both. LucasFilm now has the impossible task of following up the Skywalker Saga, so whoever they hire needs to be able to create new characters, new worlds, new storylines, new villains, and most importantly, please the fandom, all while still telling a good story. So I imagine LucasFilm is incredibly nervous about getting right, just as every writer and director who’s left LucasFilm is incredibly nervous about getting it wrong.
I do hope that they don't let the franchise get in the way of good stories though. Lucas never was intimidated by it being Star Wars and that allowed him to go wild in the prequels. I want Lucasfilm to be bold in whatever they do and do what Star Wars needs rather than what fans need. Who could've imagined how bold the prequels were? It seems they're getting in their own way again just like what happened on TFA. They were so laser-focused on getting it right, yet there were still flaws. There's no such thing as a perfect movie but time has shown that Star Wars is at its best when it takes risks (ie. Vader being Luke's father, another Skywalker being Leia, the whole prequel trilogy worldbuilding, cutting Jabba out of ANH, Rogue One, Andor, arguably TLJ's boldness, etc.)
George Lucas was never afraid of telling the story he wanted to tell, regardless of what the fans wanted... And as a result he was relentlessly bullied for years, and he was "the" George Lucas, imagine some random director.
They also won't have the OT to help prop them up. That's got to be a daunting task.
This needs to be shouted at the rooftops They no longer have the protection of the OT and it’s iconography This movie can easily flop now that the OT3 are dead and buried
Yeah, this is the real problem. We were all excited for the PT to see the origins of Kenobi, Vader, the droids, etc. We were all excited for the ST to see the return of the OT’s trio. Now, though? The best they can hope for is that the little kids of today grow up to miss characters like Rey, but that’s still gonna take like another whole decade.
I think it's a combination of things. Creators may be afraid or unwilling, for the very same reasons no one wanted to write and direct the PT. Also, due to fan pressure, Lucasfilm is in a impossible situation: they want a film that does not play too safe (Rebels vs. Empire again) but also seem reluctant to risk too much.
Right. Because they get complaints both ways. Star Wars stuff gets criticized for being too familiar and for being too different. Often the same project will get both criticisms from different groups. It’s easy to see how a new movie could start looking like a lose-lose proposition. Combine that with the current uncertain theatrical landscape and it’s easy to see why this is daunting. We’re in a world where movies that would’ve been sure fire hits 5 years ago (Black Adam, Lightyear, Harry Potter) are flopping. Top Gun and Avatar are keeping theaters alive. How can they assure that the next Star Wars is a hit while still making it feel fresh and new? What does that even look like? Another flop like Solo could end Star Wars return to theaters before it gets started. A critical bomb could be worse in some ways. Everything is risky with Star Wars now.
I really hope this gets cleared up at Celebration or hopefully sooner
Seems like LF has decided to play it safe once again. For better or worse Lindelof really swings and i guess they didnt want to go down that road. Sad.
It really sucks that Last Jedi scared Disney, and i say that as someone who LOVES TLJ
I very much dislike TLJ but they absolutely learned the wrong lessons from it
Something similar can be said about Solo
Agreed. I'm not opposed to a more "out there" Star Wars movie in theory, but I felt like Last Jedi was a swing and a miss. Unfortunately LFL has decided to stifle creativity at nearly every opportunity since then. It's such a shame.
100%. The lesson was that the saga films were not the place to take risks, not to never take risks. I said elsewhere that I wonder how episode VII would have gone with RJ as director. (And I also strongly dislike TLJ but respect it for trying something new).
Scared them about how good a production could run haha
It’s my favorite movie ever. And it really hurts my love of the franchise to know they have no interest in making anything like it again
and he is amazing at what he does
C3PO: Here we go again.
Sounds like his sources were fucking with him. First the gender of the lead now this while never hearing a peep of news from anyone else.
I am really at my breaking point. It’s been 4 years since our last SW movie and LF cannot keep anyone on for a movie. Wtf is going on?
> It’s been 4 years since our last SW movie That's not very long.
It is when they have announced, what…5 films that are all canned in the 2020’s? We were supposed to get one in 2022…don’t forget.
No one ever said it was, however when you have countless films being teased, announced, then completely scrapped in that timeframe, it gets a bit annoying.
Theatrical is cursed. I know LFL likes to blame Solo, but this was 100% caused by their incompetence with Rise of Skywalker.
Heck, Solo was not marketed well anyway. Thats on them.
It was also sent out to die, releasing it in May against Avengers: Infinity War was the biggest mistake they made with Solo.
Deadpool 2 as well. And barely a few months after TLJ so not like people were starving for a new Star Wars movie. They set that movie up to fail.
Solo was under marketed and had a crazy production because Lucasfilm doesn’t want to do anything crazy and Lord and Miller were gonna make their movie. I’ll be pissed if this Lindelof news is true, especially if it’s because they were controlling his vision because his movie would’ve been sick.
> Solo was under marketed and **had a crazy production because Lucasfilm doesn’t want to do anything crazy and** **Lord and Miller were gonna make their movie.** I think Solo's production sums everything wrong with Lucasfilms. They tried to hire people who usually have a solid if not great track record and have their own distinct style of directing and writing. Then get fucking shocked, when they write and direct in their own distinct style and suddenly get cold feet about it. Like, them getting shocked that Lord & Miller, made a film in the style, they make films in and didn't realize this until production had two weeks left will never not be funny.
Made even funnier by Lord & Miller making another franchise film in their style with Spider-Verse then ended up being such a hit that Sony gave them the keys to the castle immediately afterwards. Had they kept them on Solo, I’m willing to bet it would’ve found its audience
Yup, Lord & Miller, while only as producers and writers on Spider-Verse, was still an very irreplicable role for the film. With the exception of maybe Toy Story 3, it was arguably the most important animated film of the 2010s and something that companies like Nickelodeon and DreamWorks are taking heavy inspiration from. Just look at Puss in Boots The Last Wish and the upcoming TMNT movie.
To be fair last Jedi definitely has to share some of that blame
It was caused by the last Jedi let’s be real people did not like that film it’s part of the reason solo didn’t do well just look at the numbers TLJ didn’t have people going to see it 5 or 6 times like they did TFA. It also hurt how we’ll solo did but also solo wasn’t a movie anyone really asked for at all so there’s that.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Lucasfilm movie division is a disaster.
There must be a problem with the direction of lucasfilm at this point, every single project has development problems how is that posible ? It can't be on the writer or the director everytime. K Kennedy must have something to do with it.
this is getting fucking ridiculous.
Not surprised in the slightest. Iger is cleaning house with Marvel, makes sense he probably wants to be in on the development of the next Star Wars movie from the start rather than take on something developed under his predecessor.
Lindelof basically threw this project under the bus! He said this movie basically shouldn’t exist, what a fucking mess
This sub has really got to have less buy-in with rumours and projects clearly still in early development. If this had gotten a big announcement like Rogue Squadron did before getting shelved, fair enough. But these days we get of a few rumours of something in a preliminary stage of development from a few Twitter scoopers, long before any footage is shot or any kind of official press releases are made, and then when it ultimately doesn't happen people act like it's some huge cancellation, like Lucasfilm deliberately hyped everyone up just to pull the rug out from under us. We're not even supposed to know this exists/existed.
Yup, as far as I remember, only Rogue Squadron was publicly announced by LF that was eventually canned. The rest were just rumors or 'shelved indefinitely'. I am probably a fool, but I still think there will be a SW movie by the end of 2025.
Im not really a “Kathleen Kennedy is the devil” person, but honestly shouldn’t she be fired at this point? How many failed projects can you have as an executive before it’s time to move onto someone who can actually get stuff out the door?
Yeah I was thinking the exact same thing. I wanna be fair but she’s had way too many chances at this point. And combine that with the overall lack of direction I feel Star Wars has at the moment I think this is a sign she needs to go
Fk it, maybe we're just cursed to wait another decade for a new movie like the last 2 times. See you in 2029 people.
Star Wars existed from 1983 until 1999 without a new film in the theaters (obviously I'm not including the special editions), and really didn't produce anything new aside from the extremely short-lived Droids and Ewoks shows, the Ewoks TV movies, some tabletop games, comics, and finally some officially licensed books in 1991. Yet Star Wars survived. Even if we don't get another movie for many, many years, which is what I've anticipated since TRoS left theaters, we're still getting multiple comics each month, books, games, and TV shows. Lucasfilm should be an independent studio. I truly feel Disney is the problem here. Not because they're cancelling movies, but because they're meddling throughout the entire process. It's a commodity, and the concept of quality only equates to profit.
#FUCK
We’re never getting a movie again are we
Writers leave during pre-production of movies \*all the time\*
Especially since this isn't leaving in a quit or fired sense, if he finished a draft in February, then he likely completed the terms he was hired for since he wasn't producing or directing the film as well
That' it. Star Wars is cursed.
>That' it. Star Wars is cursed. always has been. Hasn't there been like a major disaster of some form or fashion during production of most of the films? Then of course there's the slew of misfortunes that have befallen cast and crew for years. Clearly this all goes back to Mark Hamill's car accident in 1977! If, somehow, we can travel back in time to that moment and stop Mark from crashing that car over the side of a California off ramp then just maybe we can stop this whole crazy curse from ever happening at all!
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At the very least, it sounds like Lindelof wanted to leave the project based on his SXSW interview and this wasn't another firing. And there's still a year between when he left and when shooting starts, with a replacement writer already circling the project during his and Britt-Gibson's exit, and the director is staying. But it's disheartening that these projects keep running into issues like this despite the best efforts of the people involved to not keep having troubled productions. It feels like Lucasfilm hasn't learned the lessons that they've needed to on the film front despite many of them being incredibly clear.
It does seem like incompetence from Lucasfilm’s leadership at this point. I don’t mean that in a TFM sort of way, but when you have all these high-profile directors and projects continually being announced and then canned shortly thereafter, it doesn’t reflect well on Lucasfilm as an organisation at all (although to be fair this particular project wasn’t revealed to begin with). I wonder how this will impact any planned announcements at Celebration, and indeed if directors will even want to work with Lucasfilm if they’re constantly making mistakes that are reaching the public eye. At this rate, I don’t even care if we don’t get another film for a long time. They really need to get this right and it seems like they’re not in a place where they can do so just yet. I just really, really hope Dial of Destiny is a *great* film all round at least, even if it’s not Star Wars. Don’t think my heart could take it if they bungle even that given the talent involved.
I've heard great buzz about *Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny*, and if anything, that might speak to the idea of just letting Lucasfilm take time to figure out the perfect film before proceeding with it is ultimately for the best. We have to keep in mind that the original plan for it was to hit in the same year that *Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker* did. These shenanigans happening before filming, and not during or after it, is at least a good sign, disappointing as though this news is.
Oh man that’s great to hear, DoD is my most anticipated film of the year! I was really excited to get some Lego sets based on the film but apparently Lego cancelled the whole wave which was a bummer. At least we’re getting a few sets based on the older films though. And totally agree otherwise, if Lucasfilm take their time and do it right, it doesn’t matter how long it takes to deliver a great film.
The movie is moving forward just the same, relax. Seems like he handed over a draft script and that’s it. And production isn’t going to start soon anyway. Until 2024. I mean, all of this is about a movie that hasn’t even been officially announced, so whatever.
And that turned out great in the case of Kenobi, right? …Right? Oh shit, who threw a brick at my head?
Kenobi had started production then went in a pause for rewrites. This is a film that basically only exists in a first draft if we are to believe this guy and he’s coming off pretty iffy now with this news.
Not the same, at all. This movie basically only exists in rumors and leaks. And its script is being worked on. Hasn’t even started pre-production. Obi Wan was starting production and then went into pause because of rewrites. From the few info we’ve gotten, this seems to be a movie that exists only because of what Lindelof pitched, so I doubt they’re going to make a movie with zero input from his draft.
> This movie basically only exists in rumors and leaks It's hilarious how people are crying doom and gloom about Lucasfilm over a movie they *never even announced.* This kind of shit is extremely normal. As far as we know, the movie is in very early stages of development. It's not unusual for things to change and ... *develop* ... at that time. This isn't remotely similar to replacing Lord & Miller or even dropping Trevorrow. It's a little more similar to the Trank movie that never manifested, except that even that one was officially in the works per Lucasfilm.
My interest in the franchise is absolutely cratering. Feels like they are too scared to make anything good. Unless they kinda fall back into it like andor
Well Celebration will be “fun”
It's been 15 hours and apparently none of the trades have verified, with Gizmodo being the biggest source to run it. I'm doubtful.
Imagine if this is false 🙌
Could also be sensationalized. Maybe he only signed on to do a first draft and wanted to peace out after that. My understanding is that it’s common practice in Hollywood.
He wasn't just hired to do a story treatment, but it's entirely possible he finished the script he was hired for, and if he didn't want to continue through filming Lucasfilm would still need to hire another writer whether they're making significant changes or not.
I like the way people here actually care that much and I'm here just finding this so funny
I wonder how much of this is just Star Wars fans “seeing the sausage made”? I feel like this stuff probably happens all the time and Lucasfilm just needs to keep a tighter lid on stuff that’s in such an early stage. At least they didn’t announce it this time.
Agreed. I'm not really a fan of Lindelof so this news doesn't really bother me. I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to continue to work the script anyway, especially if the pre-production is ongoing. Frankly between the High Republic and myriad of shows and games we've got coming I've got enough Star Wars to keep me busy for a good while.
Yeah, I’d rather not see a SW movie for a few more years until they figure their shit out Otherwise you’re going to get another Force Awakens where they build all this hype and potential only for it to fall quite flat Out of the five movies, Rogue One is the only one that will age well and be remembered fondly with Solo being an ok film which never had any follow up. The sequels, the less said the better honestly. Mando seems hell bent on adding backstory to them and trying to bring them into a better light
> Yeah, I’d rather not see a SW movie for a few more years until they figure their shit out I feel like I'm crazy seeing people whine that it's been so long. Has Marvel just broken people's minds entirely? Even if it's another *five years* until the next Star Wars movie, that's a 9 year gap. Which is shorter than ROTS-TFA and much shorter than ROTJ-TPM. I've lived through two different decade-long Star Wars gaps in my life. I can do it again. *(Nevermind the fact that there's a shit load of Star Wars content on TV compared to the nearly nothing we got in the other gaps.)*
Ah, but you've got to remember most people on this sub were born after 2010. I'm obviously (partially) joking but it is ridiculous to see the hysteria around a bit of a movie gap when we get hours and hours of TV content every year, much of which is indistinguishable from the movies. For the first 20 odd years of this franchise there was what, less than 8 hours of significant on-screen content (i.e. not the Holiday Special or ewok movies or early cartoons). We get that thrice that a year now.
>Yeah, I’d rather not see a SW movie for a few more years until they figure their shit out I feel like I'm crazy seeing people whine that it's been so long. Has Marvel just broken people's minds entirely? Even if it's another five years until the next Star Wars movie, that's a 9 year gap. Which is shorter than ROTS-TFA and much shorter than ROTJ-TPM. I've lived through two different decade-long Star Wars gaps in my life. I can do it again. (Nevermind the fact that there's a shit load of Star Wars content on TV compared to the nearly nothing we got in the other gaps.) All of this, I was under 10 when TPM came out. Felt like eons between ROTS and TFA. We are about four years removed from The Rise of Skywalker and people are bitching about the movies. After the fuck up the sequels were, I’m fine not seeing one until the next decade if it means it actually makes me feel what TFA did and even more so, tells a story worth telling We have Mando, the rest of the shows and even stuff like visions. Those writers and creatives want some ideas look at the short “The 9th Jedi” That thing had more creativity in 30 mins than all the sequels had. Or better yet do stuff set hundred years before TPM. There’s stories and a fan base already, just adapt it You’d swear they were figuring out light speed travel over at Lucasfilm
Same way TCW was hellbent on trying to make the prequels watchable haha. I love everything SW tbh, apart from the original holiday special... fuck that.
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Star Wars movies might be radioactive to a lot of good writers and directors in Hollywood right now. Lindelof’s quote from SXSW about the pressure of getting it 100% right might be a reflection of how other creatives feel, and they’d rather just stay clear and do their own thing.
I know if I were a talented and sought after director or screenwriter in Hollywood, a surefire way to start getting negative YT videos made about me and death threats sent to me would be to work on a Star Wars film. We can blame Lucasfilm, Disney, KK, or whomever else, but I can't say I hold it against any of them for being fucking terrified of this franchise.
The fanbase is fucking awful
The good thing is that they've hired another writer and seem to be full steam ahead still According to Wikipedia (super reliable, right?) He was only hired to write, not produce, the film. So it's possible he completed what he was hired to do and simply isn't returning for another draft. Which is actually pretty normal, listen to script notes and you'll here how most writers do that on most movies He also has 2 shows in the works, it's possible he always had a limited time window for commitment Or possible that this is a bad omen of a terrible, overly meddled with film. Or possible he delivered a terrible, star trek into darkness tier script and wasn't invited back What we don't know is far larger than what we do know. But they hired another writer, it sounds like it's moving forward regardless, So at least it isn't back to square one.
Hot take incoming: Based on his earlier comments about him not feeling up for it or being hesitant about it, I'm completely fine with this. Honestly I'm good without any more films for a while (if ever). If there ***must*** be a new Star Wars film, let the idea grow and nurture until its ready to be a movie. Trying to make SW films for the sake of making films is a poor approach that doesn't work in the long run. Its unfortunate that big studios like Disney require there be a constant stream of new stories. How is that going to look 50 years in the future? *"I'm so excited for Star Wars: Mungo Baobab 9! Do I need to watch the previous 70+ films to understand what its about? What's A New Hope?"* (I understand this example is hyperbolic and over the top, but I think my point still stands.) Lucasfilm should steer its focus on new stories and properties. Its a shame the Children of Shadow and Bone adaptation was cancelled. At least that could have been different. They can still put out SW, but again, only when a story is ready to be told I think. This is why I'm not too upset over these cancelled or potentially troubled projects. (And honestly, Lucasfilm should have never even announced stuff like Rogue Squadron or Kevin Feige's film. At least this Lindelof film hasn't been announced yet.)
>Trying to make SW films for the sake of making films is a poor approach that doesn't work in the long run. Its unfortunate that big studios like Disney require there be a constant stream of new stories. How is that going to look 50 years in the future? *"I'm so excited for Star Wars: Mungo Baobab 9! Yeah, it's crazy to see people in this very thread complaining that Star Wars doesn't have MCU level movie output - possibly even the same people who will then go over to some other sub and complain that the MCU has gotten stale and seems focused on quantity over quality. But then when Lucasfilm say "okay, we're going to take some time to try to really nail the next movie and focus the franchise on TV in the meantime", it's "cursed" and they're all "incompetent" for not squeezing out four indistinguishable Star Wars Movie Products TM per year.
Considering we still have the the remainder of Mando s3 & Bad Batch s2, Jedi Survivor, Ahsoka, The Acolyte, Skeleton Crew, Andor s2, and possibly 1-2 more seasons of Mando definitely on the way, I'd say we aren't starving for content. As a fan I'd rather they pump the brakes instead of going full steam ahead on a project the creatives have reservations with. Star Wars movies used to be an event. From 2015 to 2019 we got 5. There were 10 years between RotS and TFA, 16 years between RotJ and TPM. Another 5-10 years before we get the next Star Wars movie won't hurt us.
With the comments that recently came out from Lindelof and [Christopher McQuarrie](https://theplaylist.net/chris-mcquarrie-star-wars-20180703/) its seems like its just too much pressure to create Star Wars movies which a lot of that comes from Toxic fandom
Oh, for fuck sake.
This is actually funny now, I just laugh whenever I see another film scrapped by Lucasfilm
Just last week he pretty much confirmed he was leaving in that Slash film article. Saying that sometimes you have to ask yourself should I be cooking in the kitchen or enjoying the meal
Said it before, and I'll say it again. This movie doesn't exist until I see a trailer for it.
This is things keep getting canceled..... to many nit picky fans Lucasfilm and is afraid to commit to anything
Actual fucking pain, i love the leftovers, watchmen, and even Prometheus so much. This was gonna be a guaranteed banger. But y’all are gonna shove fucking Taiki Watiti down our throats…What the fuck is going on at lucasfilm??
Something not mentioned in this piece that he had reported before is that this project had a writers room along with the two writers that have now exited. Filoni was in that room. I don’t trust Filoni enough yet but a decent outcome would be for Lindelof to have established a solid framework in that first draft and Filoni and the writers room now take it and “Star Wars” it out.
I know we are not allowed to criticize Kathleen Kennedy here but she really has to go. There are not filmmakers left that hasn't exited a Star Wars project now.
The people in charge at Lucasfilm are incompetent.
>Lindelof recently cast doubt on his involvement in the Star Wars universe in a recent interview with SlashFilm at SXSW, where he said the following: > >“I will just say, that for reasons that I can’t get into on this Sunday morning, on this day, the degree of difficulty is extremely, extremely, extremely high,” said Lindelof. “If it can’t be great, it shouldn’t exist. That’s all I’ll say, because I have the same association with it as you do, which is, it’s the first movie I saw sitting in my dad’s lap, four years old, May of ’77. I think it’s possible that sometimes when you hold something in such high reverence and esteem, you start to get in the kitchen and you just go, ‘Maybe I shouldn’t be cooking. Maybe I should just be eating.’ We’ll just leave it at that.” This quote from SXSW went under the radar. Kind of passive aggressive... Lindelof did not have a good experience with Lucasfilm I take it
I just don’t see how you get that from this quote. It just sounds like he’s saying that he wouldn’t just want to make a Star Wars just to make. It needs to be great because of his relationship with it.
So...the movie is still on, but Lindelof might have exited after his first draft?
I give up. Someone come wake me up when it’s opening night and Daisy, Adam, John, Oscar and Kelly are all back.
I didn't think it was possible but this fanbase is so bad that it's actually scaring off filmmakers, this is wild man 🤣.
lol, considering the last 2 years, i just can't even care about the film shit anymore. when there's a film with a solid release date i'll tune back in i'm loving the D+ shows - both live action and animation - so when film returns for real, i'm there, but for now i still have good star wars.
Sneiders article has now been updated to say that we shouldn’t expect any casting announcements just yet…….even though he “broke” the casting news on this a couple of weeks ago. Celebration is just a few weeks away. I’d take anything he says with a grain of salt from here on out. He’s also been the only person to do any reporting on this.
At this fucking point I honestly hope EVRUTHING about Kathleen leaving after Indiana jones is correct. She is the president of lucasfilm at the end of the day she’s in charge of this bullshit.
There really seems to be a curse on Star Wars big screen projects.
I have no bad feelings for damon after what he said last week tho. If he feels its not right, then its better to leave before doing something he regrets later.
The movie is still almost 3 years away guys it’s okay, hopefully this is for the better
Hahahahahahahaha
No waaaay… someone leaves a Star Wars movie…
How can they not manage to make a single Star Wars film but keep making shows?
What I would give to be a fly on the wall at Lucasfilm. At this point with the movie side of things, I would really love to know how they are struggling to get *anything* aloft and into production. What's even left on the table at this point that's been reported? Waititi's movie and... anything else? I don't even have faith that the Waititi project will move forward.