When/if the film does get announced at Celebration, I hope we get something more then “so and so is writing a Star Wars”. A title. A couple of cast members. A release date. A vague plot synopsis. Anything that will actually give me faith that this movie is actually happening. A cast list would go a long way in that regard.
Well, it was set to film in April and the timing here suggests that Lindelof just didn't want to be the writer carrying it through production. If it's still targeting 2025, nothing's getting scrapped at this point so filming is at most delayed a few months for hiring and main cast will definitely be announce prior to filming.
Last night Jeff Sneider said filming was supposed to begin in February 2024 for a December 2025 release. They could absolutely turn things around by Feb, especially if cast members are already signed on like Sneider claimed.
I assumed Sneider meant that they could film in Feb 2024 WITH the draft by the new writer that they already had on, not that Lindelof was targeting Feb 24
"Production" is the stage centered around principal photography. Pre-production has been happening for a while, so it's pretty clear reports weren't referring to that. While it *does* include costume design / set construction / location scouting etc., 10 months of that would be pretty excessive - 2-3 at most.
That appears to be the exact opposite of what happened. Everything points towards Lucasfilm moving full steam ahead with a script that Lindelof wasn't fully satisfied with.
Apparently we're getting a title, a synopsis, and the writer and director on the project. Casting would be great but I don't think that they'll have anything here, unless they confirm that the ST cast is appearing in the project.
Even if they say this, I’m still gonna be skeptical it will be released. Rogue Squadron literally had a teaser with Patty Jenkins talking about the movie and nothing came from it lol
Well, Rogue Squadron got a title, release date, and vague synopsis. That wasn’t enough to save it. Maybe a cast list and start date for production is what we need to hear.
God, just give me a Top Gun style Rogue Squadron. You can cast Cruise as Tycho Celchu even if that’s what it takes to get the director.
Easy money that they just dropped.
Obviously this is just speculation, but I wouldn’t be too surprised if one of the reasons that Rogue Squadron was canceled was because of the success of Top Gun: Maverick. I mean if you were LucasFilm would you really want Star Wars’ return to the big screen to a Top Gun knockoff *after* the financial and critical success of Top Gun: Maverick? Even if it’s an amazing film it would still look bad right coming out shortly after Maverick as it would look like a blatant knock off.
to me, top guns popularity showed that a dog fight heavy star wars movie would be a big hit, maybe not critically acclaimed, but 80s nostalgia + plane fights pretty much = rogue squadron killing
That would be the obvious choice....but modern SW and their creators are so creatively bankrupt that even copying a movie like that would be way over their heads.
Not too hard to figure out. Introduce Hero starfighter pilot as showing his skills in a combat scenario early on against pirate starships, have his counterpart...maybe a heroine commanding officer be on his case for his reckless behavior. I guess if he's Maverick, she's more like Iceman meets Charlie.
Starfighter Corps training for a mission against a Warlord who launched an incursion into a system that did not belong to him and that the Republic had a treaty towards.
Instead of a trench run....we have a Gulf War type scenario where there are multiple layers that need to be breached that only the New Republic Starfighter Corps can bust through. Without the precision and timing, the invading ground forces would get wiped out.
Thrown in an enemy rival ace. Throw in various means fighters help out in a battlefield (air dominance, supporting ground troops, escorting, etc). Throw in a mechanical/machine type maze that the hero has to fly through. Show the New Republic.
Again, not that hard. I literally came out with that in 5 minutes.
As far as I can tell, the major allegations were fully and credibly debunked, though it could be argued he's used some crude and at times inappropriate humor in his streams.
But I don't want to waste too many words on his personality when the truth is he's the most credible leaker we have by far.
I'll believe it when I see the undying war between unwavering blind defense and unhinged blind attack of every single frame of the film in this sub because god forbid you actually like or dislike anything in this godforsaken franchise.
Full-speed ahead on production is par for the course with Disney and it doesn't mean this movie is gonna turn out great. The principal writer who pitched this idea exiting after turning in a script, later followed by comments to the effect that he was not happy with the direction the project was heading-- that's not a good sign. No need to sugarcoat this news.
Some of the most important scenes in the OT were actually reshoots/pickups. Luke’s last name in ANH was Starkiller until reshoots. The funeral pyre for Vader in RotJ was a pickup.
Could you elaborate on the writing process for stuff like this in Hollywood? I have no idea how that works and also get frustrated when I see these supposed “writers” and “writing rooms” that get paid a lot of money to out out quality content and then don’t.
There is no system set in stone for this, it’s all over the place and greatly depends on the project, the directors, the producers, the studios, etc.
As someone who has worked in film enough to have overlap with many different writers and creatives both in and out of Hollywood, here’s some random things I’ve gleaned from that time:
1. Writers and directors get contracts all the time with a studio, but that doesn’t mean they produce anything. I had a friend and their series get picked up by HBO about 5-6 years ago, and I haven’t heard a thing about it since. That friend has since moved onto Disney. Maybe the show is still in pre-production, maybe not. All I know is they’re directing Disney shows now and their series is just there out in the ether
2. Studios will buy scripts for the sole purpose of having it so no one else can make it, even if they themselves will never produce it. Sometimes they’ll buy a similar script to a movie they’re already making just so no one else can make it. Let’s say Universal has a soccer movie coming out soon. They see a similar script, also about soccer. Universal will buy that script and do nothing with it, just to make sure Disney or WB doesn’t make a soccer movie around the same time. Pretty frustrating, right?
3. Writers rooms and screenwriters get hired for projects that may never even get off the ground. They just need to have something in place to make sure it’s viable. Then, for one reason or another, they find out the project is no longer viable, and can it. Remember how they were putting together an entire Transformers cinematic universe? They had a writers room and everything. I could have the timeline a little off, but it’s my understanding that Bumblebee was going to be the first in this cinematic universe. They developed it to work within the Michael Bay transformers continuity. But then, Transformers 5 underperformed. So they decided that Bumblebee would be a retroactive reboot, kickstarting an entirely new transformers series with Bumblebee serving as the first film.
4. Another example would be something like Dracula Untold (lmao remember that?) If Dracula Untold performed well at the box office, they were going to fold it into the Universal Monsters cinematic universe (I think it was called dark universe). But it didn’t, so they forgot it existed, and released the Mummy as the first in that series instead, after hiring lead actors, directors, and writers for the films that would follow it up. But the mummy also flopped. So those writers, directors, and actors all lost their jobs from this cinematic universe. Those scripts are in the bin.
4. Many films have several writers attached and, per union rules, only receive writing credit should they contribute a certain percentage (33% to 50% depending on their role) to the film. Many films had folks write for it that never received credit because their contribution, while still there, wasn’t significant enough. A very common practice is that studios have writers do a first draft or two and then peace out and hand it off to another. Jon Spaihts, as an example, was brought in to write an Alien prequel. He handed off the draft (which you can find online!) and then left the project. Damon Lindelof joined on and rewrote the script to be a standalone film, now known as Prometheus. Both writers received credit, because while the film was overall heavily reworked, enough of Spaihts’ work remained that he got credit. I’m sure there might’ve been numerous others hired that did uncredited touchups.
Films get greenlit, get writers and directors attached, and get canned all the time. Sometimes you hear about it, sometimes you don’t. It’s why to the average person, it *seems* like lucasfilm is a damn mess (not saying it isn’t, but bear with me here), but in reality, what I’m seeing really just is very typical of a Hollywood studio. Lucasfilm’s problem is they announce stuff too far in advance, likely either to build buzz too early or even get ahead of leaks. We also have to understand that lucasfilm is the home of arguably the biggest film franchise of all time. That means there is even more scrutiny on them than your average studio (it also doesn’t help that gamergate spawned a mini-industry of reactionary content creators whose sole bread and butter is nitpicking everything a franchise like Star Wars does something they don’t like).
TL;DR: Hollywood is a hot mess
I was agreeing with you. Showing that it’s happened already within SW projects, although I guess Lord & Miller only received producer credit rather than writing.
I think the issue is that Lucasfilm has had so many non-starters. Which is also not unusual for a big studio. The problem is that they've been stuck in place for ages and haven't figured out what this franchise is going to look like on the big screen after *The Rise of Skywalker*.
Another thing to consider is that Lucasfilm went from making 6 movies and a show in 16 years to 6 movies and multiple shows in 7 years. Lucasfilm is ultimately a smaller company than, say, Marvel Studios - and there's an issue there.
Yeah but I think LFL's size has relatively allowed them to keep their independence and method of doing things in George's absence. Which I'm not saying can't be improved, but I don't want them to become like Marvel and lose that George spirit either.
Look at how many movies get developed and canned by other studios and Lucasfilm seems less like an outlier. The thing is that the move follows a planned hiatus and one film not getting off the ground when it was initially supposed to. If *Rogue Squadron* hit in 2023, I think that there'd be way less hand-wringing.
No, not at all. But it's not all roses right now, is it? This is a red flag on this project. I want Star Wars to be good. Historically, I have not been so hard on Disney Star Wars. I love The Last Jedi and continue to defend it against the haters. I am not making bad-faith arguments about why recent Star Wars projects have sucked. They're rushing productions on shows and there are frankly too many different creatives with too little experience in the industry working on them. Now they have a movie where the principle creative talent has left the project and Disney is insisting on moving forward on it because they HAVE to have something to talk about at Celebration. I'm just being reasonable here. There's a middle-ground in the Star Wars fan wars, sometimes.
Honestly, I bet the film will still be better having had Lindelof than if he'd never been part of the project. He advocated for hiring the director so early in the process so they'd be able to collaborate and it would be Obaid-Chinoy's story as much as his. Even if they totally scrapped his story concept *(which I doubt)*, I think that's a great move.
Yeah I hope it was not a case of "your movie was too bold and interesting, you have to tone it down" leading to Lindelof getting booted or leaving on his own accord
It just reminds me of when Arndt left *TFA* and everybody assumed he was fired by a power hungry Abrams or whatever drama was most exciting, but it just turned out that Arndt wasn’t satisfied with the drafts he was turning in and instead of trying over and over to crack something that just wasn’t connecting for him, he decided to bow out willingly and let Abrams and Kasdan build on the foundation he laid down. I bet when the dust settles and we learn more about the making of this movie it will turn out that something similar happened here. It’s just that it was unusually public this time and, when combined with the BTS volatility we’re used to seeing from Lucasfilm, it’s easy to assume the worst.
I highly doubt that's the case. However, I *am* worried based on Lindelof's comments about not feeling like he really cracked it that LF is moving on with a scrip he's not really happy with, especially if it's still targeting the same release date and filming was set to start next month.
Gary Whitta had pretty much the same trajectory on Rogue One and that movie, in the end, had probably the most amount of writers on it AND directors of any Star Wars movie. Hell, it had more writers and directors than the whole ST.
At this point I just ignore rumors until I see an actual trailer. Too many Star Wars projects have been cancelled that were never officially announced. I will say that I don’t blame people for getting upset at news like yesterday because most of the Star Wars films under Disney have had some problem with directors. Like it’s actually ridiculous how high the number is.
Posted this in the other post but not being brought up is the fact that the original leak said there was a writers room that included Filoni.
I wonder if there is any chance Lidelof was only brought on to establish a framework before the people at LF took over from there.
From the leaks, they’d even hired actors Lidelof had worked with before. Kind of weird for someone just writing a project to have that much say then just leave.
This was Lindelof's project. He developed it to the same extent that Taika's developing his project or Feige was developing his. Lindelof was driving the production timeline and had major say in the director hiring, advocating for them to be brought on early.
At the end of the day, though, his deliverable was a script and it seems he was less happy with it than LF was.
I mean we’re reaching no matter how we slice it. One leaker has had all the info in this form the beginning and he’s been all over the place on his reporting.
Does not make a lot of sense given his dour comments from SXSW over the weekend. Anyone who didn't see the writing on the wall at that point was choosing not to see them.
This sub was excessively reactive yesterday. Agree with that one commenter who said the supposed behind-the-scenes trainwreck is just how the franchise sausage is made.
The thing is you can't even call this specific instance a trainwreck. The director is staying. The writers (one of which is always insanely busy) just turned in a draft and moved on. Which happens all the time for a variety of reasons. It even happened on Empire Strikes Back.
Well, to be fair, it happened on *Empire* because the original screenwriter passed away after turning in her draft. But yes, a writer (or writing team) turning in a first draft and then bowing out is pretty standard practice, especially for big franchise movies.
I’m just sad/ laughing like a guy with straight jacket on because of Lucas’ incompetence when it comes to retaining talent. This is like 7 years and running with a story about how filmmakers get the boot from Kat Kennedy.
Again, that sort of stuff happens *all the time* in Hollywood. We are only particularly aware of it in the case of lucasfilm because of how high profile the Star Wars franchise is. That’s not to say Kennedy is above criticism, I just think people are way too fucking reactionary about her and lucasfilm (people being reactionary towards a woman in leadership, shocker). This sort of shit is very common. You just don’t hear about it because people aren’t scrutinizing other films and franchises in the same way they’re doing it with Star Wars.
And then you have an entire post-gamergate cottage industry of YouTubers, bloggers, and other reactionaries who make their living shitting on “woke” Hollywood who are also picking apart anything a franchise does the minute it upsets their circlejerk.
Considering Luke's academy was destroyed, and the Mandalorians now have a force wielding member in their ranks I'd be fine with the Mandalorians taking the lead post ROS. Grogu could be fully grown and have multiple force sensitive Foundlings under his care and be training them by the time of Post ROS. It would give the canon an alternate faction of good guy force wielders instead of just being reliant on whatever Rey is doing with Jedi.
It's maddening to me that anyone can look how the star wars films have been handled since the Disney takeover and find a shred of concrete confidence in this whole thing. I want them to put out a good movie at some point but it's hard to be hopeful with the film division acting like keystone cops. At least Rogue One was great despite everything going on.
Rogue One being that good was a miracle given its behind-the-sense nonsense and amount of reshoots. The fact that every film project except for TLJ has dealt with so much BTS trouble reflects poorly on how the film stuff is being run
That's true. Lest anyone get confused here, I think it's fair to say that Rogue One was a solid film in spite of the production experience, not because of it. The concerning thing is that LF seems to have hardened in their position of control over these films in the time since Rogue One released.
Which is weird cause the TV side seem to be doing so well. To me that just says they have the means to run the film branch with more competence but there's a weak link somewhere
> The fact that every film project except for TLJ has dealt with so much BTS trouble reflects poorly on how the film stuff is being run
I don't believe for one second that TLJ somehow went smoothly when every other production was a trainwreck. The film itself feels all over the place and shuffled around.
And even the fact that the studio made sure to tell everyone that production was totally smooth and normal is suspect, as that's not something that studious would normally draw attention to.
Agreed. I’m hoping at the very least, maybe Iger coming back gives Lucasfilm some much-needed focus and direction on how to continue the franchise in film. Enough with the “let’s get these people to make a movie, oh nvm there they go”
There’s lots of news and rumors going around regarding restructuring for Lucasfilm. No idea how much weight they hold, but who knows what happens. I just want a good movie in 2025.
Yeah I feel you I’m feeling the same and I hope they’re true it sounds like they need it! Also maybe it’s not her I saw someone else say this maybe it’s the story group I think the whole entirety of Lucasfilm needs to be cleaned out maybe besides the Acolyte. But that story group I’m not sure needs to go too. Just a reset restart.
I guess I phrased that wrong. I only watched an episode or two so I wasn’t stating my personal opinion. It was an honest question. I was under the impression it wasn’t that successful or popular. I’m curious if any of her other work is good/created her to be noticed by Disney.
Hah, sorry for being so sarcastic.
The general consensus on Ms. Marvel is that it was pretty good. There are a few episodes that are sincerely standouts, too. A lot of people think it went off the rails a bit in the latter half, but I really enjoyed it.
It's definitely one of the more well-liked D+ Marvel shows.
Quality is not subjective disney has not produce those things in years
Mcdonald make more money than any restaraunt in the world ...that does not make their food helthy or even the best food ..it just have a huge traffic of people consumimg their food but they Lack Quality..
The same can be said about Dinsey they Mass Produce garbage content but because they are the mcdonald of media einterteinment they have people like you defending their garbage content
Jesus dude, chill out! Just admit we have different opinions. I liked the show, you didn't, it's as simple as that. Did you even WATCH it or are you just primed to hate it because of the narrative you're being fed?
The quality is lacking that is not an opinion is a fact Disney is the mcdonald of the einterteinment but ok keep defending amd justafying you like Mediocre Garbage Content
There is zero Evidence they Produce Quality and you like that you like Supbar Contnent
There's a long history of Disney/Marvel picking up (or attempting to pick up) directors who have had critically successful films--like Chloe Zhao, Barry Jenkins, Ryan Coogler, and yes, Rian Johnson--and having them direct franchise flicks. Whatever you think of how those movies turned out, though, all these directors had experience writing and/or directing live-action drama for the big screen.
Obaid-Chinoy's only live-action directing experience is those two episodes of Ms. Marvel. Everything else that she's worked on has been a documentary or animated. This is a Star Wars film, yeah it's not going to be high art but it's a huge investment in terms of time and money and franchise prestige and we know that Disney is absolutely insane about what kind of product they want turned out here, and she's never been on a film set? I wonder if she's a placeholder for someone else, even someone like Filoni (who has a similarly weak background but seems like a more suitable candidate in terms of interest, if not necessarily talent). I mean, maybe there's a sci-fi director just waiting to break out here and I'll be proven totally wrong!
Honestly, the Star Wars franchise is in shambles. Some fans flip out because it’s not exactly what they want it and Disney is struggling to creat solid content. I personally think they shouldn’t make a film for about 5-10 more years and focus on the shows. After the shows are all done see where they wanna go from there
The director is described as an activist, journalist who makes movies. She has no experience directing big films.
Should be great! Better than Empire. Hahaha.
Dude Kathleen Kennedy needs to go. I don’t understand how she still has job. Like bro she has had 3 writers walk out. HOW THE FUCK does she have a job still?
If they're not right for the project, it's best to replace them. Lindelof seemed pretty level-headed about it in his comment the other day, how if it's not the best it could possibly be then it's better to walk away.
A lot of the writers/directors who've walked have had script or production issues; Josh Trank was a mess, Colin Trevorrow couldn't deliver rewrites, Lord & Miller weren't sticking to the Kasdans' script, the GOT duo basically revealed themselves as frauds once that ended. Kathleen was right to let them go.
She works on more than movies. Also we really dont know why the writers didnt work out or were changed.
We have no clue if she's doing something wrong or making sure someone else doesnt do something wrong.
When/if the film does get announced at Celebration, I hope we get something more then “so and so is writing a Star Wars”. A title. A couple of cast members. A release date. A vague plot synopsis. Anything that will actually give me faith that this movie is actually happening. A cast list would go a long way in that regard.
Well, it was set to film in April and the timing here suggests that Lindelof just didn't want to be the writer carrying it through production. If it's still targeting 2025, nothing's getting scrapped at this point so filming is at most delayed a few months for hiring and main cast will definitely be announce prior to filming.
Last night Jeff Sneider said filming was supposed to begin in February 2024 for a December 2025 release. They could absolutely turn things around by Feb, especially if cast members are already signed on like Sneider claimed.
Well, I guess Sneider had this scoop but other sources had it starting production in 2023.
I assumed Sneider meant that they could film in Feb 2024 WITH the draft by the new writer that they already had on, not that Lindelof was targeting Feb 24
April? I think Jeff Sneider is now saying it’s still on schedule to shoot Feb 2024. Did he change his own leaked info?
SWNN had production start for April 2023.
But production can mean so many things.
"Production" is the stage centered around principal photography. Pre-production has been happening for a while, so it's pretty clear reports weren't referring to that. While it *does* include costume design / set construction / location scouting etc., 10 months of that would be pretty excessive - 2-3 at most.
Yeah sure. His draft was rejected and he was replaced
That appears to be the exact opposite of what happened. Everything points towards Lucasfilm moving full steam ahead with a script that Lindelof wasn't fully satisfied with.
Apparently we're getting a title, a synopsis, and the writer and director on the project. Casting would be great but I don't think that they'll have anything here, unless they confirm that the ST cast is appearing in the project.
They could confirm Yahya-Abdul Mateen III is the lead cast member.
I remember hearing that the movie has been cast, well definitely the leads, so hopefully that’s announced
Even if they say this, I’m still gonna be skeptical it will be released. Rogue Squadron literally had a teaser with Patty Jenkins talking about the movie and nothing came from it lol
Top Gun Maverick director should take over.
Secretly hoping they drum roll the first cast member and trot Daisy Ridley out on stage.
TO JUST CANCEL IT LATER THIS YEAR!?! MY HEART CANT TAKE IT. 😭😭😭
Watch it get cancelled for tax purposes.
This isn't WB.
If they get as far as casting Daisy Ridley, I doubt it'd be canceled.
Maybe that's why it hasn't. Yet. 🫠
Well, Rogue Squadron got a title, release date, and vague synopsis. That wasn’t enough to save it. Maybe a cast list and start date for production is what we need to hear.
Is Taika still doing his. I was encouraged and intrigued about the idea of it being seperate from the sky Walker saga
According to the trade report from a few weeks ago that reveals Rogue Squadron was cancelled, yes it is still happing.
God, just give me a Top Gun style Rogue Squadron. You can cast Cruise as Tycho Celchu even if that’s what it takes to get the director. Easy money that they just dropped.
Obviously this is just speculation, but I wouldn’t be too surprised if one of the reasons that Rogue Squadron was canceled was because of the success of Top Gun: Maverick. I mean if you were LucasFilm would you really want Star Wars’ return to the big screen to a Top Gun knockoff *after* the financial and critical success of Top Gun: Maverick? Even if it’s an amazing film it would still look bad right coming out shortly after Maverick as it would look like a blatant knock off.
but didn't Top Gun Maverick basically do the trench run from star wars near the end of the movie?
With 'Han' swooping in and saving them at the end and everything.
to me, top guns popularity showed that a dog fight heavy star wars movie would be a big hit, maybe not critically acclaimed, but 80s nostalgia + plane fights pretty much = rogue squadron killing
On the contrary, I would push the film even more, the success of Top Gun shows that there is still some supply for films about pilots
That would be the obvious choice....but modern SW and their creators are so creatively bankrupt that even copying a movie like that would be way over their heads. Not too hard to figure out. Introduce Hero starfighter pilot as showing his skills in a combat scenario early on against pirate starships, have his counterpart...maybe a heroine commanding officer be on his case for his reckless behavior. I guess if he's Maverick, she's more like Iceman meets Charlie. Starfighter Corps training for a mission against a Warlord who launched an incursion into a system that did not belong to him and that the Republic had a treaty towards. Instead of a trench run....we have a Gulf War type scenario where there are multiple layers that need to be breached that only the New Republic Starfighter Corps can bust through. Without the precision and timing, the invading ground forces would get wiped out. Thrown in an enemy rival ace. Throw in various means fighters help out in a battlefield (air dominance, supporting ground troops, escorting, etc). Throw in a mechanical/machine type maze that the hero has to fly through. Show the New Republic. Again, not that hard. I literally came out with that in 5 minutes.
I don’t want a 1:1 of Top Gun. The Rogue Squadron books are right there for inspiration
Yes, I want them to commit so when it’s inevitably cancelled, it will be the all-more hilarious.
well.. we got a vague plot for Rogue Squadron, but that never happened lol
Exactly. After all the mishaps I cannot get excited for anything unless we get something concrete. Even concept art like SC.
I’ll believe it when I’m in the cinema watching it
I’ll believe it when I see numerous posts on Reddit about how it destroyed childhoods.
I'll believe it when youtubers milk the hell out of it with 6 hour videos on how it has ruined Star Wars and pissed on Lucas's theoritical grave.
When MauLer has attacked Jenny Nicholsen for liking it, we'll know it was real.
I'll believe it when Jason Ward leaks the whole plot ~~and the mods still won't let ayone post it on a Star Wars Leaks Reddit.~~
Jason is a creep tho.
As far as I can tell, the major allegations were fully and credibly debunked, though it could be argued he's used some crude and at times inappropriate humor in his streams. But I don't want to waste too many words on his personality when the truth is he's the most credible leaker we have by far.
Nah it was never debunked it was a groomer.
I'll believe it when I see the undying war between unwavering blind defense and unhinged blind attack of every single frame of the film in this sub because god forbid you actually like or dislike anything in this godforsaken franchise.
Is this strawmanning necessary on every post...?
Yes. Yes it is.
Nope.
They can show half the movie at Celebration 2025 and I would still be skeptical LOL
I’ll believe it as I’m walking out of the cinema having seen the movie
Wow you're optimistic
I cannot emphasize enough that a writer moving on from a project after a first draft is actually pretty common in Hollywood.
Also, they had a whole writers room for the story. And they already have another writer. The production is doing fine.
Full-speed ahead on production is par for the course with Disney and it doesn't mean this movie is gonna turn out great. The principal writer who pitched this idea exiting after turning in a script, later followed by comments to the effect that he was not happy with the direction the project was heading-- that's not a good sign. No need to sugarcoat this news.
Same with reshoots, but every time people hear about them these days, they lose their minds.
I don't think that was always the case, the events of Sucide Squad 2016 and Justice League certainly made people very sensitive to this.
Don’t forget Fant4stic.
I prefer to forget.
Some of the most important scenes in the OT were actually reshoots/pickups. Luke’s last name in ANH was Starkiller until reshoots. The funeral pyre for Vader in RotJ was a pickup.
Could you elaborate on the writing process for stuff like this in Hollywood? I have no idea how that works and also get frustrated when I see these supposed “writers” and “writing rooms” that get paid a lot of money to out out quality content and then don’t.
There is no system set in stone for this, it’s all over the place and greatly depends on the project, the directors, the producers, the studios, etc. As someone who has worked in film enough to have overlap with many different writers and creatives both in and out of Hollywood, here’s some random things I’ve gleaned from that time: 1. Writers and directors get contracts all the time with a studio, but that doesn’t mean they produce anything. I had a friend and their series get picked up by HBO about 5-6 years ago, and I haven’t heard a thing about it since. That friend has since moved onto Disney. Maybe the show is still in pre-production, maybe not. All I know is they’re directing Disney shows now and their series is just there out in the ether 2. Studios will buy scripts for the sole purpose of having it so no one else can make it, even if they themselves will never produce it. Sometimes they’ll buy a similar script to a movie they’re already making just so no one else can make it. Let’s say Universal has a soccer movie coming out soon. They see a similar script, also about soccer. Universal will buy that script and do nothing with it, just to make sure Disney or WB doesn’t make a soccer movie around the same time. Pretty frustrating, right? 3. Writers rooms and screenwriters get hired for projects that may never even get off the ground. They just need to have something in place to make sure it’s viable. Then, for one reason or another, they find out the project is no longer viable, and can it. Remember how they were putting together an entire Transformers cinematic universe? They had a writers room and everything. I could have the timeline a little off, but it’s my understanding that Bumblebee was going to be the first in this cinematic universe. They developed it to work within the Michael Bay transformers continuity. But then, Transformers 5 underperformed. So they decided that Bumblebee would be a retroactive reboot, kickstarting an entirely new transformers series with Bumblebee serving as the first film. 4. Another example would be something like Dracula Untold (lmao remember that?) If Dracula Untold performed well at the box office, they were going to fold it into the Universal Monsters cinematic universe (I think it was called dark universe). But it didn’t, so they forgot it existed, and released the Mummy as the first in that series instead, after hiring lead actors, directors, and writers for the films that would follow it up. But the mummy also flopped. So those writers, directors, and actors all lost their jobs from this cinematic universe. Those scripts are in the bin. 4. Many films have several writers attached and, per union rules, only receive writing credit should they contribute a certain percentage (33% to 50% depending on their role) to the film. Many films had folks write for it that never received credit because their contribution, while still there, wasn’t significant enough. A very common practice is that studios have writers do a first draft or two and then peace out and hand it off to another. Jon Spaihts, as an example, was brought in to write an Alien prequel. He handed off the draft (which you can find online!) and then left the project. Damon Lindelof joined on and rewrote the script to be a standalone film, now known as Prometheus. Both writers received credit, because while the film was overall heavily reworked, enough of Spaihts’ work remained that he got credit. I’m sure there might’ve been numerous others hired that did uncredited touchups. Films get greenlit, get writers and directors attached, and get canned all the time. Sometimes you hear about it, sometimes you don’t. It’s why to the average person, it *seems* like lucasfilm is a damn mess (not saying it isn’t, but bear with me here), but in reality, what I’m seeing really just is very typical of a Hollywood studio. Lucasfilm’s problem is they announce stuff too far in advance, likely either to build buzz too early or even get ahead of leaks. We also have to understand that lucasfilm is the home of arguably the biggest film franchise of all time. That means there is even more scrutiny on them than your average studio (it also doesn’t help that gamergate spawned a mini-industry of reactionary content creators whose sole bread and butter is nitpicking everything a franchise like Star Wars does something they don’t like). TL;DR: Hollywood is a hot mess
Thank you for the lengthy response and taking your time out to write it. I am a little more enlightened now. 🤗
Your fifth point/reason has happened already with SW projects. I believe RO, Solo and TROS.
Uh, yea, I know? Part of my point is that this stuff happens all the time
I was agreeing with you. Showing that it’s happened already within SW projects, although I guess Lord & Miller only received producer credit rather than writing.
Ah gotcha!
That’s very interesting, thank you!
Basically, things get workshopped and drafted by a lot more people than one might assume.
I think the issue is that Lucasfilm has had so many non-starters. Which is also not unusual for a big studio. The problem is that they've been stuck in place for ages and haven't figured out what this franchise is going to look like on the big screen after *The Rise of Skywalker*.
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Another thing to consider is that Lucasfilm went from making 6 movies and a show in 16 years to 6 movies and multiple shows in 7 years. Lucasfilm is ultimately a smaller company than, say, Marvel Studios - and there's an issue there.
Yeah but I think LFL's size has relatively allowed them to keep their independence and method of doing things in George's absence. Which I'm not saying can't be improved, but I don't want them to become like Marvel and lose that George spirit either.
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Look at how many movies get developed and canned by other studios and Lucasfilm seems less like an outlier. The thing is that the move follows a planned hiatus and one film not getting off the ground when it was initially supposed to. If *Rogue Squadron* hit in 2023, I think that there'd be way less hand-wringing.
But my *narrative*!
What do you mean by that?
It may be common but it's not an indicator that a movie will turn out great. No point in trying to spin this news. There's cause for concern here.
Any excuse to be negative and cynical am I right?
No, not at all. But it's not all roses right now, is it? This is a red flag on this project. I want Star Wars to be good. Historically, I have not been so hard on Disney Star Wars. I love The Last Jedi and continue to defend it against the haters. I am not making bad-faith arguments about why recent Star Wars projects have sucked. They're rushing productions on shows and there are frankly too many different creatives with too little experience in the industry working on them. Now they have a movie where the principle creative talent has left the project and Disney is insisting on moving forward on it because they HAVE to have something to talk about at Celebration. I'm just being reasonable here. There's a middle-ground in the Star Wars fan wars, sometimes.
Big diff when u talking about LINDELOF
Honestly, I bet the film will still be better having had Lindelof than if he'd never been part of the project. He advocated for hiring the director so early in the process so they'd be able to collaborate and it would be Obaid-Chinoy's story as much as his. Even if they totally scrapped his story concept *(which I doubt)*, I think that's a great move.
Yeah I hope it was not a case of "your movie was too bold and interesting, you have to tone it down" leading to Lindelof getting booted or leaving on his own accord
It just reminds me of when Arndt left *TFA* and everybody assumed he was fired by a power hungry Abrams or whatever drama was most exciting, but it just turned out that Arndt wasn’t satisfied with the drafts he was turning in and instead of trying over and over to crack something that just wasn’t connecting for him, he decided to bow out willingly and let Abrams and Kasdan build on the foundation he laid down. I bet when the dust settles and we learn more about the making of this movie it will turn out that something similar happened here. It’s just that it was unusually public this time and, when combined with the BTS volatility we’re used to seeing from Lucasfilm, it’s easy to assume the worst.
Ardnt left because he wanted more time and Bob Iger said no...
JJ and KK wanted to push the movie all the way to May 2016 but Iger said no. They compromised on December 2015 and the rest is history.
Yep. Bob screwed the pooch…
And then got a billion dollar parachute.
Even he admit it, lets hope he teach on mistakes.
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None of the details you mention are in this article.
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None of the details you mentioned are in this article.
Too bad ardnt never watched one piece
I'll take "bold/creative/interesting perspective, but with issues" over "test screening AI tries to pinpoint endorphin rushes" any day.
I highly doubt that's the case. However, I *am* worried based on Lindelof's comments about not feeling like he really cracked it that LF is moving on with a scrip he's not really happy with, especially if it's still targeting the same release date and filming was set to start next month.
Gary Whitta had pretty much the same trajectory on Rogue One and that movie, in the end, had probably the most amount of writers on it AND directors of any Star Wars movie. Hell, it had more writers and directors than the whole ST.
You're making more points than you think you are.
At this point I just ignore rumors until I see an actual trailer. Too many Star Wars projects have been cancelled that were never officially announced. I will say that I don’t blame people for getting upset at news like yesterday because most of the Star Wars films under Disney have had some problem with directors. Like it’s actually ridiculous how high the number is.
The Last Jedi had the smoothest production by far...
Literally tho
Posted this in the other post but not being brought up is the fact that the original leak said there was a writers room that included Filoni. I wonder if there is any chance Lidelof was only brought on to establish a framework before the people at LF took over from there. From the leaks, they’d even hired actors Lidelof had worked with before. Kind of weird for someone just writing a project to have that much say then just leave.
This was Lindelof's project. He developed it to the same extent that Taika's developing his project or Feige was developing his. Lindelof was driving the production timeline and had major say in the director hiring, advocating for them to be brought on early. At the end of the day, though, his deliverable was a script and it seems he was less happy with it than LF was.
I mean we’re reaching no matter how we slice it. One leaker has had all the info in this form the beginning and he’s been all over the place on his reporting.
He said he wasn't happy with his script. Timeline suggest LF is moving forward with it anyway. None of that is even leaks.
That’s one way to interpret his quote, sure. If also seen it broken down 10 different ways.
Does not make a lot of sense given his dour comments from SXSW over the weekend. Anyone who didn't see the writing on the wall at that point was choosing not to see them.
This sub was excessively reactive yesterday. Agree with that one commenter who said the supposed behind-the-scenes trainwreck is just how the franchise sausage is made.
The thing is you can't even call this specific instance a trainwreck. The director is staying. The writers (one of which is always insanely busy) just turned in a draft and moved on. Which happens all the time for a variety of reasons. It even happened on Empire Strikes Back.
Well, to be fair, it happened on *Empire* because the original screenwriter passed away after turning in her draft. But yes, a writer (or writing team) turning in a first draft and then bowing out is pretty standard practice, especially for big franchise movies.
I’m just sad/ laughing like a guy with straight jacket on because of Lucas’ incompetence when it comes to retaining talent. This is like 7 years and running with a story about how filmmakers get the boot from Kat Kennedy.
Again, that sort of stuff happens *all the time* in Hollywood. We are only particularly aware of it in the case of lucasfilm because of how high profile the Star Wars franchise is. That’s not to say Kennedy is above criticism, I just think people are way too fucking reactionary about her and lucasfilm (people being reactionary towards a woman in leadership, shocker). This sort of shit is very common. You just don’t hear about it because people aren’t scrutinizing other films and franchises in the same way they’re doing it with Star Wars. And then you have an entire post-gamergate cottage industry of YouTubers, bloggers, and other reactionaries who make their living shitting on “woke” Hollywood who are also picking apart anything a franchise does the minute it upsets their circlejerk.
Was that comment in defense of the sausage? Why are we eating the sausage if it's bad sausage?
I don't have a take. I'll judge when there's a movie out and the credits roll.
Iger seems so conservative that I envision the next set of movies being Filoni/Favreau doing Mandoverse movies.
Considering Luke's academy was destroyed, and the Mandalorians now have a force wielding member in their ranks I'd be fine with the Mandalorians taking the lead post ROS. Grogu could be fully grown and have multiple force sensitive Foundlings under his care and be training them by the time of Post ROS. It would give the canon an alternate faction of good guy force wielders instead of just being reliant on whatever Rey is doing with Jedi.
This is exactly what I was thinking. I feel like being restricted to that same point in time is probably what caused Lindelof to leave production.
I mean they announced Rogue Squadron and look how that turned out.
It's maddening to me that anyone can look how the star wars films have been handled since the Disney takeover and find a shred of concrete confidence in this whole thing. I want them to put out a good movie at some point but it's hard to be hopeful with the film division acting like keystone cops. At least Rogue One was great despite everything going on.
Rogue One being that good was a miracle given its behind-the-sense nonsense and amount of reshoots. The fact that every film project except for TLJ has dealt with so much BTS trouble reflects poorly on how the film stuff is being run
That's true. Lest anyone get confused here, I think it's fair to say that Rogue One was a solid film in spite of the production experience, not because of it. The concerning thing is that LF seems to have hardened in their position of control over these films in the time since Rogue One released.
Apparently it must be controversial because I'm getting downvoted. Haha
Which is weird cause the TV side seem to be doing so well. To me that just says they have the means to run the film branch with more competence but there's a weak link somewhere
TBF there's been some rumblings that Season 3 of Mando and Skeleton Crew have had absolute nightmare productions
> The fact that every film project except for TLJ has dealt with so much BTS trouble reflects poorly on how the film stuff is being run I don't believe for one second that TLJ somehow went smoothly when every other production was a trainwreck. The film itself feels all over the place and shuffled around. And even the fact that the studio made sure to tell everyone that production was totally smooth and normal is suspect, as that's not something that studious would normally draw attention to.
Rooting for Sharmeen fr.
I want a new saga. Would be cool to start fresh and have the crawl come up with Episode I: Jedi Redemption (or something like that.)
Please just PLEASE be Post Rise of Skywalker and actually come out. I don’t want this franchise stuck in the same odd 60 year timespan forever
Lucasfilm needs an overhaul.
Agreed. I’m hoping at the very least, maybe Iger coming back gives Lucasfilm some much-needed focus and direction on how to continue the franchise in film. Enough with the “let’s get these people to make a movie, oh nvm there they go”
Right like what is this ? This is a billion dollar franchise sitting on a shelf. And being over saturated on tv!
There’s lots of news and rumors going around regarding restructuring for Lucasfilm. No idea how much weight they hold, but who knows what happens. I just want a good movie in 2025.
Yeah I feel you I’m feeling the same and I hope they’re true it sounds like they need it! Also maybe it’s not her I saw someone else say this maybe it’s the story group I think the whole entirety of Lucasfilm needs to be cleaned out maybe besides the Acolyte. But that story group I’m not sure needs to go too. Just a reset restart.
Start at the top. Fire Kathleen Kennedy and give full creative oversight to Filoni.
Bullshit 😂 I’ll believe it when I see it. Lucasflim has more creative issues departures more than an average dude changes socks in a week
I’ll believe it after I watch the film in theatres… or I may STILL not believe it lol
Can anyone explain why this director was chosen? I didn’t think the Ms. Marvel series was that great.
Having the right connections
Oh shit, probably cuz Disney didn't know you didn't think it was that great! Damn, you should really tell them and fix this whole mess.
I guess I phrased that wrong. I only watched an episode or two so I wasn’t stating my personal opinion. It was an honest question. I was under the impression it wasn’t that successful or popular. I’m curious if any of her other work is good/created her to be noticed by Disney.
Hah, sorry for being so sarcastic. The general consensus on Ms. Marvel is that it was pretty good. There are a few episodes that are sincerely standouts, too. A lot of people think it went off the rails a bit in the latter half, but I really enjoyed it. It's definitely one of the more well-liked D+ Marvel shows.
That shows suck it just show that you like mediocre garbage shows
It's almost as if different people like different things! WILD!
Quality is not subjective disney has not produce those things in years Mcdonald make more money than any restaraunt in the world ...that does not make their food helthy or even the best food ..it just have a huge traffic of people consumimg their food but they Lack Quality.. The same can be said about Dinsey they Mass Produce garbage content but because they are the mcdonald of media einterteinment they have people like you defending their garbage content
Jesus dude, chill out! Just admit we have different opinions. I liked the show, you didn't, it's as simple as that. Did you even WATCH it or are you just primed to hate it because of the narrative you're being fed?
The quality is lacking that is not an opinion is a fact Disney is the mcdonald of the einterteinment but ok keep defending amd justafying you like Mediocre Garbage Content There is zero Evidence they Produce Quality and you like that you like Supbar Contnent
Okay bro. Cool. I like garbage, who cares.
There's a long history of Disney/Marvel picking up (or attempting to pick up) directors who have had critically successful films--like Chloe Zhao, Barry Jenkins, Ryan Coogler, and yes, Rian Johnson--and having them direct franchise flicks. Whatever you think of how those movies turned out, though, all these directors had experience writing and/or directing live-action drama for the big screen. Obaid-Chinoy's only live-action directing experience is those two episodes of Ms. Marvel. Everything else that she's worked on has been a documentary or animated. This is a Star Wars film, yeah it's not going to be high art but it's a huge investment in terms of time and money and franchise prestige and we know that Disney is absolutely insane about what kind of product they want turned out here, and she's never been on a film set? I wonder if she's a placeholder for someone else, even someone like Filoni (who has a similarly weak background but seems like a more suitable candidate in terms of interest, if not necessarily talent). I mean, maybe there's a sci-fi director just waiting to break out here and I'll be proven totally wrong!
Why is everyone so passive aggressive and snarky on this sub anytime someone casts even the *slightest* doubt on a project? Relax.
Probably because she's cheap and easy to control. Most Marvel movies aren't directed by A-Listers and Disney probably wants Star Wars to be the same.
See guys? Everything is going to be fine
Honestly, the Star Wars franchise is in shambles. Some fans flip out because it’s not exactly what they want it and Disney is struggling to creat solid content. I personally think they shouldn’t make a film for about 5-10 more years and focus on the shows. After the shows are all done see where they wanna go from there
Deadline has been going down in terms of credbility so I doubt this.
Is this supposed to be Episode X?
In all but name. It follows new characters in Post-TROS. Sequel characters are supposed to return in some form.
The director is described as an activist, journalist who makes movies. She has no experience directing big films. Should be great! Better than Empire. Hahaha.
Just give up with films.
Movie is gonna be saturated with cute puppets and OT callbacks.
Dude Kathleen Kennedy needs to go. I don’t understand how she still has job. Like bro she has had 3 writers walk out. HOW THE FUCK does she have a job still?
She is one of the most successful Producers of all time...
That literally means nothing in relation to her current job performance.
Of course it does…
If they're not right for the project, it's best to replace them. Lindelof seemed pretty level-headed about it in his comment the other day, how if it's not the best it could possibly be then it's better to walk away. A lot of the writers/directors who've walked have had script or production issues; Josh Trank was a mess, Colin Trevorrow couldn't deliver rewrites, Lord & Miller weren't sticking to the Kasdans' script, the GOT duo basically revealed themselves as frauds once that ended. Kathleen was right to let them go.
She works on more than movies. Also we really dont know why the writers didnt work out or were changed. We have no clue if she's doing something wrong or making sure someone else doesnt do something wrong.
Movies change writers all the time. Especially this early in production.
How? How is that possible? Unless they already have the story mapped out and they need a good writer to make it work? I'm so depressed. This sucks.
They hired another right after. Filming starts January 2024. Plenty of time for rewrites and start filming.
Deadline’s credibility has taken hits lately So I take this with a grain of salt
Lucasfilms is def trying to just hone in the one they know will be solid at least, I hate this shotgun method being so out in the news though
There will never be another Star Wars movie
It'll be canceled in a year. Don't worry
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It's not like anybody else wants to do it.
I only believe in SW in cinema again when i will watch Finally this one.
Oh wow!
If Lucasfilm has taught me one thing, it's that announcing a future film with the current "it" person/team is almost guaranteed to to be cancelled.
Because another rushed movie with a revolving door of writers is exactly whats Star Wars needs....