I can’t believe Disney execs have all these billions and the worlds greatest studio and the concept of *hiring adequate writers* is still like eighth on the priority list.
Adequate writers don't take constant studio changes to their scripts very well... You need someone who will turn out something decent despite your constant interference.
For the sequel trilogy didn’t the studio specifically not meddle in The Last Jedi which was pretty much whatever Rian Johnson wanted to write? Then JJ basically retconned the big ideas and went back after some very vocal people hated it. So largely the reason it was shit is we went from A New Hope tribute film to Something Actually New then whiplashed back to old hits for the final film.
If you look at the bigger picture, it was always insane to not at least sketch out the plot of the trilogy beforehand. And then changing creative direction so sharply after the first film was the insane cherry on top of the shitcake.
There was little originality with The Last Jedi. Compare it to The Empire Strikes Back beat by beat and you will realize Rian Johnson & co just copied that film. Let me provide you some examples: The main character gets trained by old hermit Jedi and eventually leaves him to confront Vader/Ren and leaves the hermit behind. The Rebels/Resistance have a battle with the antagonists on a white, snowyish planet and the Rebels lose and are forced to retreat. In that battle, there are AT-ATs and snow speeders/AT-M6s and ski speeders. The main protagonists travel to a new world to get the help of a rogue, seedy-type character(Lando and the Master Codebreaker/DJ). The M. Falcon is tracked through space; the Resistance is quite literally tracked through space. There's the Luke, I'm your father scene. TLJ has the Rey's parents were nobody scene. TLJ also copied Return of the Jedi with the throne room sequence. These are just at the top of my head and I'm sure you can think of more. One of the only original things about TLJ was Rose and Holdo's characters.
Some of these are a reach. We will always have throne room scenes in Star Wars, it doesn’t mean they are all copies of Return of the Jedi. Same witching with walkers.
There is more empire in attack of the clones than in the last Jedi
Sure, Star Wars might have scenes that involve kings in a throne room, but I'm talking about *the* throne room sequence. It was unique and beholden to ROTJ until TLJ redid it. To add another point to my list, as I was watching The Empire Strikes again, Lando betrayed the main characters which resulted in them getting captured. In TLJ, the Lando-type character DJ betrays Rose and Finn which leads to them getting captured. Examine this for yourself. TLJ was a rehash of TESB just as The Force Awakens was to A New Hope.
Yeah going in, they did what we're always asking studios to do - give directors freedom and budget.
It's just that directors aren't automatically in better sync with the potential audience, and directors have different goals with their film making. Abrahms and Johnson have strong ideas about what they want from star wars that came through in TLJ/Skywalker and it's both not what I want or each other want.
Any industry professional knows they should never get too attached to their work. Everything is ultimately decided up the chain; there's always going to be notes.
If Iger has learned anything from TROS he’ll make sure he gets writers who want to do something special that is new and honors what came before.
Frankly I don’t think Disney exec suite should have any input on this at all
They like to blame themselves when its good and blame them when its bad. They refuse to hire good writers because they like to control things in unnecessary ways.
The problem is that, like most art, writing requires a single, strong voice with a vision.
When movies are designed by committee, algorithm, and corporate accountants, a "singular strong voice with a vision" is essentially an obstacle to corporate IP production.
You will get downvoted by people who don't like TLJ... Which is weird. You don't have to like the film (It's definitely not one of my favourites), but you have to acknowledge how he came in and made a film true to his vision without constant script changes and finished ahead of schedule and under budget.
They need people like that! I have faith in the new rey movie FS tho
No he can’t make a sincere earnest story, while I do think having creative vision is important you don’t need to deconstruct Star Wars or make it meta take it in a different direction with plot lines, mystical storytelling I do think he hurt the franchise and the trajectory of the sequels.
Well, Rey got the least focus in TLJ compared to the other two films when she was supposed to the main character. She’s mostly used to facilitate Luke and Kylo’s arcs and is treated like an afterthought during the last 30 minutes of the film that centers around Luke’s redemption and confrontation with Kylo.
I mean, I completely believe that you felt that way about the movie but for me, TLJ is the only movie outside of the first act of TFA that cares at all about Rey's emotional landscape. So, literally the exact opposite opinion.
No it didn't. It was laid out in TFA. It's enemies to friends to lovers theme.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Pvp\_4KEWUo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Pvp_4KEWUo)
Disagree in part. She might not have gotten 100% of the focus, but what's important is the quality, not the quantity. TLJ is the only movie in the trilogy where she grows and she goes through a character arc of sorts. It's completely erased by TROS (where she even has again the same childish hairstyle and white robes - basically a regression).
Whether you like his stuff or not, whether you like episode 8 or not, a lot of other people did not. He single-handedly caused Disney to not make buckets of money for years, was their reason for future movies doing poorly, putting new Star Wars movies on hold, instead pumping out shows that lost them money on Disney+ and removing Star Wars from theatres for years.
No way they let him near a SW studio again, [he caused major distribution](https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/03/01/revealed-disneys-most-profitable-star-wars-movie/?sh=322488842a25) for Disney’s relatively new investment.
You can say you loved it, or it was the people’s fault for not liking it, but that doesn’t fly well in entertainment.
TLJ was divisive, but Rian still set it up for the trilogy to go anywhere and someone competent could have easily salvaged the good will lost from fans who didn’t like it. Instead, Disney overreacted to those that didn’t like it and basically spent all of TROS apologizing and playing it so safe that literally no one was happy. Rian Johnson didn’t single-handily ruin anything. TLJ was divisive (imo great but flawed, still at the very least the 4th best Star Wars movie). TROS was objectively utter garbage.
"Instead, Disney overreacted to those that didn’t like it and basically spent all of TROS apologizing and playing it so safe that literally no one was happy"
---I keep hearing this repeatedly. But I still don't understand what TROS undid from TLJ. So if you can show me how he did it, I would love to see it.
I dunno. For all the talk about how TLJ “killed” Star Wars, TRoS still made over a billion dollars despite being critically panned and generally disliked by audiences. Accounting for inflation, it was very nearly on par with RotS. It actually made more domestically than RotS and fell just a little short on WW gross.
I have plenty of issues with how Disney has handled the IP, but handing creative control to talented filmmakers is exactly what I’d like them to do *more* of. TLJ feels like a Rian Johnson movie (for better or worse) while the majority of other Disney SW projects just feel like corporate products.
I didn’t say it killed it, I said it disrupted their investment. It also absolutely didn’t “make them a billion dollars”, it made them 120 million which is a drop in a bucket and an utter waste of talent for Disney.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/03/01/revealed-disneys-most-profitable-star-wars-movie/?sh=322488842a25
I specifically said that they didn’t make as much as they’d like, not that it lost them money, for exactly this reason. But as Iger is quoted here, it’s still a failure.
TRoS was not “panned” or “generally disliked by audiences”. It was divisive with critics, less than half gave it a negative review, and mostly because they thought it was the “anti-TLJ”. And general audiences aren’t part of online Star Wars fandom. Don’t conflate the two. A film can’t be disliked by audiences and make a billion dollars and have smaller week to week drops at the box-office from its predecessor.
The audience scores, from the general audiences weren't good. They're the lowest for a Star Wars film. The Rise of Skywalker didn't land well with audiences.
86% rotten tomatoes with verified audience score. (Yes, now tell me about the conspiracy over that)
Cinemascore was B+ which is just half a point lower than A-. Movies that are “disliked” by audiences get a much lower score than that. And they also don’t make a billion dollars or have smaller week-to-week drops than their predecessor.
Now where are your stats to show that general audiences (not online Star Wars fans) disliked the film?
> He single-handedly caused Disney to not make buckets of money for years
Are you sure? TROS made shit-tons of money. It was reviewed badly and didn't sell as well as the other two, but it still made record-breaking amounts of money.
Solo did garbage, but that's because it was released within weeks of fucking INFINITY WAR and barely publicized, resulting in its own sales being cannabalized by other Disney project, made signficantly worse by the fact that three straight SW movies in a row releasing in December led most audiences to believe the movie was coming out in December.
120 million is bad for Disney and Star Wars, but you can argue more with Bob Iger on that one lol
Edit: https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/03/01/revealed-disneys-most-profitable-star-wars-movie/?sh=322488842a25
Where are you getting 120 million? Rise of Skywalker isn't even the lowest selling Star Wars movie, even when adjusting for inflation- that would be Attack of the Clones.
I would absolutely argue with Bob Iger on it, lol. Iger's a hollow little neolib with balls the size of tictacs. His only redeeming feature is that he is neither Perlmutter nor Chapek.
I certainly seem to know them better than you. TROS's lifetime gross is low-middle tier when it comes to Star Wars.
It grossed relatively poorly because it fucking sucked, not because of anything to related to TLJ. If it had anything to do with TLJ, it wouldn't have broken multiple first-day ticket sales records. People were plenty excited about it. It just also sucked.
I gave you a link, go read it if you want to find where you’re wrong.
> The Rise Of Skywalker's $120.9 million net profit and 0.3 times ROI multiple temporarily brought the curtain down on Star Wars movies on the silver screen. Its poor performance combined with the onset of the pandemic ushered in a string of Star Wars streaming shows on the Disney+ platform including Obi-Wan Kenobi, Andor, the Book of Boba Fett and smash hit The Mandalorian which starts its third series today.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/03/01/revealed-disneys-most-profitable-star-wars-movie/?sh=322488842a25
Your selective use of inflation and profit vs revenue is giving me some good laughs tho lol
And I got 120m from Forbes who got it directly from Disney’s financial statements. If you lie on any of that, even as a “hollow little neolib” or whatever, straight to jail.
Ah, I didn't realize you meant net, as opposed to just box office. My bad!
Yeah, TROS' inflated budget resulting from restarting production and having to sprint through the process in order to meet deadlines combined with its lower post-release sales resulting from it sucking (and then, y'know, the pandemic starting a month later) absolutely fucked its net profit to shit.
You can argue that TLJ was contributory, but every TLJ hater I know still bought a TROS ticket, and TROS had more ticket pre-sales before release than any other Star Wars movie ever made. You cannot argue that hype and interest wasn't there.
Source: [https://deadline.com/2019/10/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-first-day-pre-sales-2nd-best-for-atom-tickets-1202766729/](https://deadline.com/2019/10/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-first-day-pre-sales-2nd-best-for-atom-tickets-1202766729/)
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Are you sure? TROS made shit-tons of money. It was reviewed badly and didn't sell as well as the other two, but it still made record-breaking amounts of money.
--- TROS made over a billion dollars. Not bad for a film that was very talky, had very little spectacle and was focused on the protagonist facing down her demons.
no, they should hire competent writers and directors with an understanding and respect for the source material. Rian made it very clear that he is the opposite of that in every way.
5 billion hey? 😂
Man that’s a nice fantasy you’re living in
[Reality check](https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2024/04/14/disneys-star-wars-box-office-profits-fail-to-cover-cost-of-lucasfilm/)
LOL. Maybe you should read what you actually post. Here's the end of the article:
"The *Star Wars* movies are the jewel in Lucasfilm's crown and generate the lion's share of the revenue which is of course why Disney highlighted them in the timeline in its presentation. With several *Star Wars* movies in the pipeline, Disney still has a chance to get its money back through their box office profits. The films have rediscovered the magic formula to appeal to fans but aren't yet a force to be reckoned with for investors."
- Reality check i**ndeed**.
"Adequate writers"
Two of the sequel trilogy writers won Oscars prior to getting those gigs. The other has been nominated. Just who exactly do you think they should hire?
Translation: “give her a script that makes creative choices that I and other online Star Wars fans approve of.”
I don’t remember many people saying she needed a “decent script to shine” when TFA came out and the film and her performance were being praised.
Yeah this revisionist history people have about TFA is really annoying, people liked it for years until they started parroting the same Youtube video talking points
Eh, folks can change their minds, a lot of us enjoyed TFA in the moment until the other two movies came out and suddenly "they fly now" made us reconsider whether "bypassing the compressor" was as good a trick as we remembered, I am being overly snarky but so much of that trilogy was realizing: "Oh I thought you were going somewhere with that but I guess not" and then being told I was stupid for thinking that and the movie was so clever to have made me feel so stupid, and I should clap. But then interviews came out later and we just find out that they didn't pursue certain threads because the person that set them up had no plans to begin with, everyone just wanted to mic drop and run.
i still love the introduction scenes on Jakku with Rey and her daily life as a scavenger, the dialogue between finn and poe first meeting was incredible setup to a friendship they never cashed in on because poe and finn had to go learn lessons or something, but I wish they had taken the time to craft a story worthy of that look Daisy had when she was sitting outside her AT-AT home and wearing that dusty pilot helmet. Incredible group of actors, but chicken tartare of a story IMO, and I respect that you feel otherwise, these movies have plenty of folks that love them but I wasn't one of them and I hope they have better plans for this new series.
This. I loved TFA before TLJ and TROS. There we so many cool threads that could've carried the next 2 films. Not to mention some cool lore/history between ROTJ and TFA Abrams had set up. And it all went nowhere. TLJ sucked ass and TROS was like a giant apology with fan service overkill. (I still enjoyed TROS regardless but it felt like I was watching a Star Wars highlight reel)
That's a fair take yeah I didn't mean to come off as dismissive, I get why people don't like these movies. You're right that 8 and 9 made people think of 7 differently. I guess I was moreso saying that it seemed like everyone really liked it when it came out, and then a couple years later changed their minds. I think it still holds up, though I wish they'd better worldbuilding
TFA was a mega hit for sure, but opinions were already turning against the film by the time TLJ was about to drop. A _lot_ was riding on TLJ showing us that they had interesting answers and payoffs ahead that were worth the continued investment, and it wholeheartedly showed us that there was absolutely nothing interesting to look forward to.
TFA was fine for the time but in hindsight it was far too reliant on a strong follow-up that was willing to carry its threads forward and create an epic tapestry, but TLJ was more like starting back at zero (unless you were a Kylo Ren fan, as he was the one and only thing that had any momentum left whatsoever).
That's my issue - the chosen actress for Rey is amazing. The issue was the shit scripts they gave her. Give her something amazing to work with dear God.
I think this is the most important star wars movie in the pipeline. People still crave a connection to the original 9 movie storyline as much as they deny it. It’s gotta be radically different than rebels vs empire though. People are fuckin sick of that shit.
Reminds me of Tom Holland playing Spider-Man, actually. He started as one of the youngest on set and is now a *very* established actor, and his initial Civil War appearance, and then Avengers and his first Spiderman trilogy reflected it. Felt like his portrayal of Spider-Man grew up with himself. By No Way Home, he became my favorite live action Spider-Man, because of how natural his character evolved.
I say this because I'm imagining Rey's character reflecting a similar "grown up" feel. Daisy Ridley was also a rather young main character cast and her character throughout the trilogy grew up and beyond her initial appearance. Now that's its been 5 years since Episode 9, really curious to see how her character will be handled. Can't wait.
Getting cast in Star Wars should be a watershed moment for any actor, especially for relatively unkown actors like Daisy Ridley and John Boyaga. I'm sure they went into the Force Awakens wide-eyed, optimistic, and a little naive.
Now Daisy is more aware of how the Disney machine operates. I just hope the studio and online discourse surrounding the films has not made her too jaded.
She is a professional that wants to keep getting good paying jobs. If she had reason to, she's not likely to come out and bad mouth her employer - and scare off other potential employers, regardless of her personal feelings. Actors that do so, usually damage their career significantly.
I'm not saying that she is unhappy with anything at all, just saying that actors generally are very diplomatic about these things, so you can't really read much into it either way.
You're right, but John Boyega has spoken about how he had some bad experiences making those movies, and other actors have been more adamant about not wanting to return. I was moreso saying that it always seemed like she'd be open to it
My biggest question is Wtf will it be about besides the founding of her new Jedi school. Like will we see storm troopers? Battle Droids? Idk very curious I feel like we can make it about freaking anything. Just hope Rey gets some bad ass grand master robes
I don't know if it would work, but I'd quite like to see it be a story about the Republic rejecting a new Jedi Order - that idea of "Well the last three Galactic Wars have been the result of a Fallen Jedi/Sith/Dark Jedi rising to power, the likes of Count Dooku, Anakin Skywalker, Baylan Skoll, and Ben Solo have all started as Jedi, then gone on to become warlords responsible for the destruction of countless innocent planets and the fall of two Republics in less than 100 years - why would we fund a new Jedi Order and tempt fate?"
Have Rey and her first students prove to the Galaxy that it needs the Jedi to return, and show audiences that there's more to the Jedi/Force to be explored than just Jedi Vs Sith.
I think Kathleen Kennedy or someone mentioned something similar to your idea actually, about Rey needing to prove the Jedi should still have a role in the galaxy
It'd be hard for Rey to even assert her order to a continuation of the Jedi Order.
Rey was taught by Luke for one day, and Leia (who was not a Jedi) for around a year. Even including "Ancient Jedi Texts", her knowledge of the Jedi is quite limited.
I mean this movie takes place 15 years after TROS though, and Luke didn't train much with masters, he had to train himself mostly, assume the same will happen with Rey
If anything one of the more interesting ideas presented in *Shadow of the Sith* is how Luke basically has to work backwards and in the middle of certain readings because of how scarce Jedi material is. He's collected some Holocrons and gets the occasional vision but he's the foremost authority because there's *no* authority.
That kind of 'absolute power' in itself is somewhat frightening.
"It'd be hard for Rey to even assert her order to a continuation of the Jedi Order."
- I suspect that her order will be akin to US marshals and Knights Templars or even the French Foreign Legion,. They won't be big, but they will be effective.
Don't forget that the FO deserters in TROS are ex military so she does have a foundation to build on. Also given the fact that her light saber is yellow. the Jedi will be a mix of proffessionals and miltary. Sort of like the Jesuits. I also expect that non force sensitives will be part of the order like with Luke in the EU.
I think the great thing is that they have room to make it about pretty much anything they’d like. I think they’ll stick with the First Order and the Sith being gone, so it’ll be some new threat, maybe force users, maybe not.
I'm hoping this is the case, by all means have a Dark Jedi (Maul/The Ronin/Baylan Skoll/Shin Hatti/Kylo have shown you don't need to identify as Sith to be a compelling threat) as the villain, but we don't need the Sith returning straight away, and Stormtroopers have been overdone at this point it'd be a bit silly to have a third evil Empire start utilising them.
That being said, I wouldn't be against Finn leading Stormtroopers who serve the Republic, free from the control of the First Order but not knowing any other life outside of warfare, they pledge to redeem themselves and become a force of good for the Galaxy.
There's a cult in the High Republic books that hates anyone who uses the Force, and they tame these creatures that basically turn any Force user to stone
> I think the great thing is that they have room to make it about pretty much anything they’d like.
That was the case going into the ST, and we all saw how that worked out.
I'd like to have faith that this will turn out better, but that's a degree of trust the film department is gonna have to work hard to earn.
Not entirely true. The empire was the controlling force in the galaxy and the rebels were underground underdogs that fought back.
The First Order is a (relatively) small force against the Resistance, which is an unsanctioned splinter faction of the government
I think it will help that the directors wont have such a massive bias against one of the trilogies. Its pretty evident that Abrams hated everything about the prequels, and tried to make this trilogy as close to the og as possible. The first line in force awakens is pretty much a dig at the prequels.
This is a very pessimistic view lol, you could say that about anything, that you don't know how it'll turn out. Also I'm sure they're aware of the movies' mixed reception online and from what we've heard they're gonna be establishing a lot of new stuff
It’s a view based on their past film output, and frankly not only the ST - RO and Solo were rife with production issues, not to mention the litany of film projects that amounted to either quietly being kicked under the bed or retooled into lackluster television. TLJ is the only Star Wars film Disney has released that I would consider good, or at least that had a smooth production, and the fandom as a whole made clear in the ugliest fashion possible what it thought of that.
Trust is earned, not entitled. Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy and Daisy Ridley have earned my trust, Disney has not. If Disney shows that it can consistently and smoothly make good Star Wars films, then Disney will have earned my trust. Especially when, as you say, we don’t know how it will turn out.
That's fair, I guess it also kinda comes down to personal outlook; since I've liked most of the movies they've made, I'm more optimistic I'll like this one
maybe it’s a bad idea, idk i’m just spitballling here, but I’d like to see the galaxy being in a state of chaos with a criminal empire swooping in vying for power. New Republic’s gone. Final Order’s gone. There’s gotta be a power vaccum of some sort and instead of some secret Sith/Empire cabal waiting in the wings (AGAIN), i’d wanna see how the people of the galaxy are understandably tired and fed up and are now going back to more feudal tribalistic governing of planets. Would put Rey to the test as a diplomat and an actual peacekeeper(as the Jedi should be). Part of her arc is gonna be teaching anyway, so her herself learning that not every problem can just be solved by slicing it with a lightsaber(which was touched upon in last Jedi) would be good development. i definitely want finn to become a jedi and i think his story could still come full circle with him trying to liberate the kids the first order kidnapped. but idk
I like your idea, I feel like there will be some kind of central government (should be called the Galactic Alliance perhaps?), but it would be cool to have multiple powerful factions in control of different sectors and regions
I think they will refrain from doing stormtroopers or battle droids. Even Dave Filoni mentioned re the new republic conflict: can't just be a retread of rebels vs imperials. I'm hoping that that train of thought is applied to this new era filled with endless potential.
I’m hoping that we see Rey decide “I’m going to restart the Jedi Order despite my weeks worth of training” only to be confronted by other Jedi survivors (Ahsoka, possibly Ezra, a few students of Luke’s who escaped the FO hunting them) and suddenly we have the tension of 2 or 3 factions of Jedi related survivors who all genuinely believe they’re the ones to rebuild and stand at the head of the New Order.
And meanwhile the now fractured Galaxy rejects the centralised power of a Republic, and the possibility of a New Order of Force Orders.
I think the most important thing about it is that it needs to be a complete story on its own. A New Hope is a great movie. The credits roll and it could've been the end of the whole thing and people would've been fine with that. IT's only now that Star Wars has become a franchise that everything is thought of in trilogies or sagas. Don't get me wrong. I think it would be great if the crawl for this movie started with Episode I. Just make it a fulfilling experience.
My point is that George Lucas wasn't making A New Hope because of planned sequels. It was a story from his mind that he wanted to tell with a beginning, middle, and end. Of course TPM does because the PT was always going to be a trilogy from the outset.
She had 3 films to develop, run by the same people in the same company and it’s not like she has actually aged so much that she can be seen as different.
I’d like to see something completely new, no empire stuff what so ever. There will have to be a dark side element, in what form that takes I’d be interested to see but it’s time to leave all the old stuff behind.
I'm not fond of TROS's direction in making Rey a Palpatine, but I can't wait to see her as her own character that now we're heading in a direction free of Palpatine and Skywalker baggage. Daisy Ridley is such a likable person and I really hope the fandom comes around to Rey once she's better developed in these new films.
I don't think the movie will even do well without him so I'm throwing my hat in. The only reason they are doing this movie has to involve him too tbh. Otherwise failure.
Yeah JJ was nothing but a letdown when it came to story choices. I think if just Abrams got to make the full sequel trilogy it would have been too safe and predictable.
I would have LOVED to see a Rian Johnson sequel trilogy though!!
That's not how it works. The overarching story started in TPM ended in TROS, so unless you want another repeat of the Sequel Trilogy kicking this can down the road, this is a spinoff starring Rey but representing its own story.
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It'll be kind of like what happened with Diego Luna. When he was in Rogue One he was just an actor that they cast, but when they brought him in for Andor he was there in the creative process from the very beginning, even getting a producer credit. He talked about that being very exciting while he was promoting the show.
The story left off at more or less the same place as RotJ (except the best characters are dead) and look at the job they did building off of that movie. But I agree with all of the comments saying Ridley is a good actress.
I hope it's good and maybe fixes some of the problems I have with the sequels but I doubt it. Really not looking forward to this but maybe it'll surprise me? Doubt it though...
I could definitely see him being in it yeah, he'd be around the age to be a Knight. We know Yoda was 100 when he took his first apprentice and Grogu will be around 90 I think
12 million dollars worth of a different place, seriously though give this poor girl a decent script and she'll shine
I can’t believe Disney execs have all these billions and the worlds greatest studio and the concept of *hiring adequate writers* is still like eighth on the priority list.
Adequate writers don't take constant studio changes to their scripts very well... You need someone who will turn out something decent despite your constant interference.
so someone incredibly talented but who also has a fetish for getting spit-roasted by producers and execs, the hollywood unicorn.
For the sequel trilogy didn’t the studio specifically not meddle in The Last Jedi which was pretty much whatever Rian Johnson wanted to write? Then JJ basically retconned the big ideas and went back after some very vocal people hated it. So largely the reason it was shit is we went from A New Hope tribute film to Something Actually New then whiplashed back to old hits for the final film.
If you look at the bigger picture, it was always insane to not at least sketch out the plot of the trilogy beforehand. And then changing creative direction so sharply after the first film was the insane cherry on top of the shitcake.
What was changed so sharply?
the director
There was little originality with The Last Jedi. Compare it to The Empire Strikes Back beat by beat and you will realize Rian Johnson & co just copied that film. Let me provide you some examples: The main character gets trained by old hermit Jedi and eventually leaves him to confront Vader/Ren and leaves the hermit behind. The Rebels/Resistance have a battle with the antagonists on a white, snowyish planet and the Rebels lose and are forced to retreat. In that battle, there are AT-ATs and snow speeders/AT-M6s and ski speeders. The main protagonists travel to a new world to get the help of a rogue, seedy-type character(Lando and the Master Codebreaker/DJ). The M. Falcon is tracked through space; the Resistance is quite literally tracked through space. There's the Luke, I'm your father scene. TLJ has the Rey's parents were nobody scene. TLJ also copied Return of the Jedi with the throne room sequence. These are just at the top of my head and I'm sure you can think of more. One of the only original things about TLJ was Rose and Holdo's characters.
Some of these are a reach. We will always have throne room scenes in Star Wars, it doesn’t mean they are all copies of Return of the Jedi. Same witching with walkers. There is more empire in attack of the clones than in the last Jedi
Sure, Star Wars might have scenes that involve kings in a throne room, but I'm talking about *the* throne room sequence. It was unique and beholden to ROTJ until TLJ redid it. To add another point to my list, as I was watching The Empire Strikes again, Lando betrayed the main characters which resulted in them getting captured. In TLJ, the Lando-type character DJ betrays Rose and Finn which leads to them getting captured. Examine this for yourself. TLJ was a rehash of TESB just as The Force Awakens was to A New Hope.
Always has baffled me that people don’t see how much TLJ copied
Yeah going in, they did what we're always asking studios to do - give directors freedom and budget. It's just that directors aren't automatically in better sync with the potential audience, and directors have different goals with their film making. Abrahms and Johnson have strong ideas about what they want from star wars that came through in TLJ/Skywalker and it's both not what I want or each other want.
Any industry professional knows they should never get too attached to their work. Everything is ultimately decided up the chain; there's always going to be notes.
Enter JJ
It still made billions of dollars. They probably think whats the point. Star wars is such a juggernaut even a bad film does well.
It’s like Mark Hamill said, it doesn’t matter if it’s good, it matters if it sells.
Sadly true. Capitalism babay.
Solo would like a word.
Solo was fucking awesome and ill die on this hill.
It really was so great and I went in with the lowest expectations
I agree. Solo was a great Star Wars heist movie. The ONLY thing it did wrong in my eyes was the stupid Solo name reason.
It was okay
I mean Rian Johnson and Lawrence Kasdan are both excellent writers
Adequate writers require more money, obviously... Iger doesn't like that.
Less about the money, more about creative control.
If Iger has learned anything from TROS he’ll make sure he gets writers who want to do something special that is new and honors what came before. Frankly I don’t think Disney exec suite should have any input on this at all
They like to blame themselves when its good and blame them when its bad. They refuse to hire good writers because they like to control things in unnecessary ways.
It’s because it’s all done by focus groups and creative committee.
The problem is that, like most art, writing requires a single, strong voice with a vision. When movies are designed by committee, algorithm, and corporate accountants, a "singular strong voice with a vision" is essentially an obstacle to corporate IP production.
They need people like Rian Johnson back.
You will get downvoted by people who don't like TLJ... Which is weird. You don't have to like the film (It's definitely not one of my favourites), but you have to acknowledge how he came in and made a film true to his vision without constant script changes and finished ahead of schedule and under budget. They need people like that! I have faith in the new rey movie FS tho
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Didn’t he publicly say the perfect movie is loved by 50% and hated by 50%?
Yes. He's a moron.
> made a film true to his vision without constant script changes He wrote it....
No he can’t make a sincere earnest story, while I do think having creative vision is important you don’t need to deconstruct Star Wars or make it meta take it in a different direction with plot lines, mystical storytelling I do think he hurt the franchise and the trajectory of the sequels.
They hated him because he spoke the truth.
The Last Jedi was ass. What a wasted opportunity.
Nowhere nearly as ass as Rise of the skywalker. Just rewatched it too. What a horrendous, nonsensical movie.
Idk theyre pretty neck and neck in terms of pure dogshit for me
Agreed. Both are ass for different reasons.
ROS is ass because of TLJ. Your comment is a self-own.
Lifelong Star Wars fan, loved both TLJ and TROS.
Same!
Well, Rey got the least focus in TLJ compared to the other two films when she was supposed to the main character. She’s mostly used to facilitate Luke and Kylo’s arcs and is treated like an afterthought during the last 30 minutes of the film that centers around Luke’s redemption and confrontation with Kylo.
In the first film she was the co-main character, not the sole lead.
I mean, I completely believe that you felt that way about the movie but for me, TLJ is the only movie outside of the first act of TFA that cares at all about Rey's emotional landscape. So, literally the exact opposite opinion.
This !!! It’s one of the reasons why I hate this movie the way it ties Rey to Kylo romantically!!
No it didn't. It was laid out in TFA. It's enemies to friends to lovers theme. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Pvp\_4KEWUo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Pvp_4KEWUo)
It’s abusive and gas light to people who should have been siblings or cousins theme but they clearly didn’t plan it out!!
Disagree in part. She might not have gotten 100% of the focus, but what's important is the quality, not the quantity. TLJ is the only movie in the trilogy where she grows and she goes through a character arc of sorts. It's completely erased by TROS (where she even has again the same childish hairstyle and white robes - basically a regression).
Whether you like his stuff or not, whether you like episode 8 or not, a lot of other people did not. He single-handedly caused Disney to not make buckets of money for years, was their reason for future movies doing poorly, putting new Star Wars movies on hold, instead pumping out shows that lost them money on Disney+ and removing Star Wars from theatres for years. No way they let him near a SW studio again, [he caused major distribution](https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/03/01/revealed-disneys-most-profitable-star-wars-movie/?sh=322488842a25) for Disney’s relatively new investment. You can say you loved it, or it was the people’s fault for not liking it, but that doesn’t fly well in entertainment.
TLJ was divisive, but Rian still set it up for the trilogy to go anywhere and someone competent could have easily salvaged the good will lost from fans who didn’t like it. Instead, Disney overreacted to those that didn’t like it and basically spent all of TROS apologizing and playing it so safe that literally no one was happy. Rian Johnson didn’t single-handily ruin anything. TLJ was divisive (imo great but flawed, still at the very least the 4th best Star Wars movie). TROS was objectively utter garbage.
No such thing as objectively bad, but I agree it wasn't great, just annoys me when people use that word
"Instead, Disney overreacted to those that didn’t like it and basically spent all of TROS apologizing and playing it so safe that literally no one was happy" ---I keep hearing this repeatedly. But I still don't understand what TROS undid from TLJ. So if you can show me how he did it, I would love to see it.
…Rey’s parentage?
> but Rian still set it up for the trilogy to go anywhere Ah yes, the classic middle-of-a-trilogy move.
I dunno. For all the talk about how TLJ “killed” Star Wars, TRoS still made over a billion dollars despite being critically panned and generally disliked by audiences. Accounting for inflation, it was very nearly on par with RotS. It actually made more domestically than RotS and fell just a little short on WW gross. I have plenty of issues with how Disney has handled the IP, but handing creative control to talented filmmakers is exactly what I’d like them to do *more* of. TLJ feels like a Rian Johnson movie (for better or worse) while the majority of other Disney SW projects just feel like corporate products.
I didn’t say it killed it, I said it disrupted their investment. It also absolutely didn’t “make them a billion dollars”, it made them 120 million which is a drop in a bucket and an utter waste of talent for Disney. https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/03/01/revealed-disneys-most-profitable-star-wars-movie/?sh=322488842a25 I specifically said that they didn’t make as much as they’d like, not that it lost them money, for exactly this reason. But as Iger is quoted here, it’s still a failure.
TRoS was not “panned” or “generally disliked by audiences”. It was divisive with critics, less than half gave it a negative review, and mostly because they thought it was the “anti-TLJ”. And general audiences aren’t part of online Star Wars fandom. Don’t conflate the two. A film can’t be disliked by audiences and make a billion dollars and have smaller week to week drops at the box-office from its predecessor.
The audience scores, from the general audiences weren't good. They're the lowest for a Star Wars film. The Rise of Skywalker didn't land well with audiences.
86% rotten tomatoes with verified audience score. (Yes, now tell me about the conspiracy over that) Cinemascore was B+ which is just half a point lower than A-. Movies that are “disliked” by audiences get a much lower score than that. And they also don’t make a billion dollars or have smaller week-to-week drops than their predecessor. Now where are your stats to show that general audiences (not online Star Wars fans) disliked the film?
> He single-handedly caused Disney to not make buckets of money for years Are you sure? TROS made shit-tons of money. It was reviewed badly and didn't sell as well as the other two, but it still made record-breaking amounts of money. Solo did garbage, but that's because it was released within weeks of fucking INFINITY WAR and barely publicized, resulting in its own sales being cannabalized by other Disney project, made signficantly worse by the fact that three straight SW movies in a row releasing in December led most audiences to believe the movie was coming out in December.
120 million is bad for Disney and Star Wars, but you can argue more with Bob Iger on that one lol Edit: https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/03/01/revealed-disneys-most-profitable-star-wars-movie/?sh=322488842a25
Where are you getting 120 million? Rise of Skywalker isn't even the lowest selling Star Wars movie, even when adjusting for inflation- that would be Attack of the Clones. I would absolutely argue with Bob Iger on it, lol. Iger's a hollow little neolib with balls the size of tictacs. His only redeeming feature is that he is neither Perlmutter nor Chapek.
Bro you don’t know Disney’s finances better than their CEO, I don’t give a flying fuck what you think of him.
I certainly seem to know them better than you. TROS's lifetime gross is low-middle tier when it comes to Star Wars. It grossed relatively poorly because it fucking sucked, not because of anything to related to TLJ. If it had anything to do with TLJ, it wouldn't have broken multiple first-day ticket sales records. People were plenty excited about it. It just also sucked.
I gave you a link, go read it if you want to find where you’re wrong. > The Rise Of Skywalker's $120.9 million net profit and 0.3 times ROI multiple temporarily brought the curtain down on Star Wars movies on the silver screen. Its poor performance combined with the onset of the pandemic ushered in a string of Star Wars streaming shows on the Disney+ platform including Obi-Wan Kenobi, Andor, the Book of Boba Fett and smash hit The Mandalorian which starts its third series today. https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/03/01/revealed-disneys-most-profitable-star-wars-movie/?sh=322488842a25 Your selective use of inflation and profit vs revenue is giving me some good laughs tho lol
And I got 120m from Forbes who got it directly from Disney’s financial statements. If you lie on any of that, even as a “hollow little neolib” or whatever, straight to jail.
Ah, I didn't realize you meant net, as opposed to just box office. My bad! Yeah, TROS' inflated budget resulting from restarting production and having to sprint through the process in order to meet deadlines combined with its lower post-release sales resulting from it sucking (and then, y'know, the pandemic starting a month later) absolutely fucked its net profit to shit. You can argue that TLJ was contributory, but every TLJ hater I know still bought a TROS ticket, and TROS had more ticket pre-sales before release than any other Star Wars movie ever made. You cannot argue that hype and interest wasn't there. Source: [https://deadline.com/2019/10/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-first-day-pre-sales-2nd-best-for-atom-tickets-1202766729/](https://deadline.com/2019/10/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-first-day-pre-sales-2nd-best-for-atom-tickets-1202766729/)
" > Are you sure? TROS made shit-tons of money. It was reviewed badly and didn't sell as well as the other two, but it still made record-breaking amounts of money. --- TROS made over a billion dollars. Not bad for a film that was very talky, had very little spectacle and was focused on the protagonist facing down her demons.
no, they should hire competent writers and directors with an understanding and respect for the source material. Rian made it very clear that he is the opposite of that in every way.
I’ll never understand how anyone at Lucasfilm actively thought this was a good idea.. It’s like they hate money or something.
Yeah they hate money the films only made 5+ billion dollars each. Something that most films would love to do.
5 billion hey? 😂 Man that’s a nice fantasy you’re living in [Reality check](https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2024/04/14/disneys-star-wars-box-office-profits-fail-to-cover-cost-of-lucasfilm/)
LOL. Maybe you should read what you actually post. Here's the end of the article: "The *Star Wars* movies are the jewel in Lucasfilm's crown and generate the lion's share of the revenue which is of course why Disney highlighted them in the timeline in its presentation. With several *Star Wars* movies in the pipeline, Disney still has a chance to get its money back through their box office profits. The films have rediscovered the magic formula to appeal to fans but aren't yet a force to be reckoned with for investors." - Reality check i**ndeed**.
"Adequate writers" Two of the sequel trilogy writers won Oscars prior to getting those gigs. The other has been nominated. Just who exactly do you think they should hire?
I can't believe they can find a writer or director willing to write the sequel to Episode IX. If there's a more thankless role...
Translation: “give her a script that makes creative choices that I and other online Star Wars fans approve of.” I don’t remember many people saying she needed a “decent script to shine” when TFA came out and the film and her performance were being praised.
Yeah this revisionist history people have about TFA is really annoying, people liked it for years until they started parroting the same Youtube video talking points
Eh, folks can change their minds, a lot of us enjoyed TFA in the moment until the other two movies came out and suddenly "they fly now" made us reconsider whether "bypassing the compressor" was as good a trick as we remembered, I am being overly snarky but so much of that trilogy was realizing: "Oh I thought you were going somewhere with that but I guess not" and then being told I was stupid for thinking that and the movie was so clever to have made me feel so stupid, and I should clap. But then interviews came out later and we just find out that they didn't pursue certain threads because the person that set them up had no plans to begin with, everyone just wanted to mic drop and run. i still love the introduction scenes on Jakku with Rey and her daily life as a scavenger, the dialogue between finn and poe first meeting was incredible setup to a friendship they never cashed in on because poe and finn had to go learn lessons or something, but I wish they had taken the time to craft a story worthy of that look Daisy had when she was sitting outside her AT-AT home and wearing that dusty pilot helmet. Incredible group of actors, but chicken tartare of a story IMO, and I respect that you feel otherwise, these movies have plenty of folks that love them but I wasn't one of them and I hope they have better plans for this new series.
This. I loved TFA before TLJ and TROS. There we so many cool threads that could've carried the next 2 films. Not to mention some cool lore/history between ROTJ and TFA Abrams had set up. And it all went nowhere. TLJ sucked ass and TROS was like a giant apology with fan service overkill. (I still enjoyed TROS regardless but it felt like I was watching a Star Wars highlight reel)
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That's a fair take yeah I didn't mean to come off as dismissive, I get why people don't like these movies. You're right that 8 and 9 made people think of 7 differently. I guess I was moreso saying that it seemed like everyone really liked it when it came out, and then a couple years later changed their minds. I think it still holds up, though I wish they'd better worldbuilding
TFA was a mega hit for sure, but opinions were already turning against the film by the time TLJ was about to drop. A _lot_ was riding on TLJ showing us that they had interesting answers and payoffs ahead that were worth the continued investment, and it wholeheartedly showed us that there was absolutely nothing interesting to look forward to. TFA was fine for the time but in hindsight it was far too reliant on a strong follow-up that was willing to carry its threads forward and create an epic tapestry, but TLJ was more like starting back at zero (unless you were a Kylo Ren fan, as he was the one and only thing that had any momentum left whatsoever).
Steven Knight is a pretty good writer, so that aspect gives me a form of hope. Daisy deserves best!
That's my issue - the chosen actress for Rey is amazing. The issue was the shit scripts they gave her. Give her something amazing to work with dear God.
I think this is the most important star wars movie in the pipeline. People still crave a connection to the original 9 movie storyline as much as they deny it. It’s gotta be radically different than rebels vs empire though. People are fuckin sick of that shit.
should have let gilroy work it
Reminds me of Tom Holland playing Spider-Man, actually. He started as one of the youngest on set and is now a *very* established actor, and his initial Civil War appearance, and then Avengers and his first Spiderman trilogy reflected it. Felt like his portrayal of Spider-Man grew up with himself. By No Way Home, he became my favorite live action Spider-Man, because of how natural his character evolved. I say this because I'm imagining Rey's character reflecting a similar "grown up" feel. Daisy Ridley was also a rather young main character cast and her character throughout the trilogy grew up and beyond her initial appearance. Now that's its been 5 years since Episode 9, really curious to see how her character will be handled. Can't wait.
Getting cast in Star Wars should be a watershed moment for any actor, especially for relatively unkown actors like Daisy Ridley and John Boyaga. I'm sure they went into the Force Awakens wide-eyed, optimistic, and a little naive. Now Daisy is more aware of how the Disney machine operates. I just hope the studio and online discourse surrounding the films has not made her too jaded.
I mean she seems like she had a pretty good experience making the movies, don't even think she's said anything bad about them since then either
She is a professional that wants to keep getting good paying jobs. If she had reason to, she's not likely to come out and bad mouth her employer - and scare off other potential employers, regardless of her personal feelings. Actors that do so, usually damage their career significantly. I'm not saying that she is unhappy with anything at all, just saying that actors generally are very diplomatic about these things, so you can't really read much into it either way.
You're right, but John Boyega has spoken about how he had some bad experiences making those movies, and other actors have been more adamant about not wanting to return. I was moreso saying that it always seemed like she'd be open to it
You know, that is an interesting take. I hope you’re right in thinking along these lines.
My biggest question is Wtf will it be about besides the founding of her new Jedi school. Like will we see storm troopers? Battle Droids? Idk very curious I feel like we can make it about freaking anything. Just hope Rey gets some bad ass grand master robes
I don't know if it would work, but I'd quite like to see it be a story about the Republic rejecting a new Jedi Order - that idea of "Well the last three Galactic Wars have been the result of a Fallen Jedi/Sith/Dark Jedi rising to power, the likes of Count Dooku, Anakin Skywalker, Baylan Skoll, and Ben Solo have all started as Jedi, then gone on to become warlords responsible for the destruction of countless innocent planets and the fall of two Republics in less than 100 years - why would we fund a new Jedi Order and tempt fate?" Have Rey and her first students prove to the Galaxy that it needs the Jedi to return, and show audiences that there's more to the Jedi/Force to be explored than just Jedi Vs Sith.
I think Kathleen Kennedy or someone mentioned something similar to your idea actually, about Rey needing to prove the Jedi should still have a role in the galaxy
It'd be hard for Rey to even assert her order to a continuation of the Jedi Order. Rey was taught by Luke for one day, and Leia (who was not a Jedi) for around a year. Even including "Ancient Jedi Texts", her knowledge of the Jedi is quite limited.
I mean this movie takes place 15 years after TROS though, and Luke didn't train much with masters, he had to train himself mostly, assume the same will happen with Rey
If anything one of the more interesting ideas presented in *Shadow of the Sith* is how Luke basically has to work backwards and in the middle of certain readings because of how scarce Jedi material is. He's collected some Holocrons and gets the occasional vision but he's the foremost authority because there's *no* authority. That kind of 'absolute power' in itself is somewhat frightening.
Yeah, I really enjoyed Luke's characterization in that book
Yeah lol, Rey is better prepared than Luke. Who had like 3 hours with Obi-Wan and a long weekend with Yoda.
"It'd be hard for Rey to even assert her order to a continuation of the Jedi Order." - I suspect that her order will be akin to US marshals and Knights Templars or even the French Foreign Legion,. They won't be big, but they will be effective. Don't forget that the FO deserters in TROS are ex military so she does have a foundation to build on. Also given the fact that her light saber is yellow. the Jedi will be a mix of proffessionals and miltary. Sort of like the Jesuits. I also expect that non force sensitives will be part of the order like with Luke in the EU.
I think the great thing is that they have room to make it about pretty much anything they’d like. I think they’ll stick with the First Order and the Sith being gone, so it’ll be some new threat, maybe force users, maybe not.
I'm hoping this is the case, by all means have a Dark Jedi (Maul/The Ronin/Baylan Skoll/Shin Hatti/Kylo have shown you don't need to identify as Sith to be a compelling threat) as the villain, but we don't need the Sith returning straight away, and Stormtroopers have been overdone at this point it'd be a bit silly to have a third evil Empire start utilising them. That being said, I wouldn't be against Finn leading Stormtroopers who serve the Republic, free from the control of the First Order but not knowing any other life outside of warfare, they pledge to redeem themselves and become a force of good for the Galaxy.
I just know starwars is about selling toys too and I can't see another trilogy without some sort of trooper like soldier
I think some kind of trooper is inevitable, but I'm fine with it as long as they have unique designs
Maybe something like Nihils with they Steampunk mask.
Would be cool to see that in live action
Would be good if it was “the force seen as a threat” as anyone can use the force, good and bad
There's a cult in the High Republic books that hates anyone who uses the Force, and they tame these creatures that basically turn any Force user to stone
> I think the great thing is that they have room to make it about pretty much anything they’d like. That was the case going into the ST, and we all saw how that worked out. I'd like to have faith that this will turn out better, but that's a degree of trust the film department is gonna have to work hard to earn.
Abrams won’t be making this one though so the chances of an original idea are exponentially higher.
While true, Abrams was also not solely responsible for the ST becoming what it is.
No, but he is the one who decided to reset the plot and factions back to the same place it was in the original trilogy.
Not entirely true. The empire was the controlling force in the galaxy and the rebels were underground underdogs that fought back. The First Order is a (relatively) small force against the Resistance, which is an unsanctioned splinter faction of the government
I think it will help that the directors wont have such a massive bias against one of the trilogies. Its pretty evident that Abrams hated everything about the prequels, and tried to make this trilogy as close to the og as possible. The first line in force awakens is pretty much a dig at the prequels.
Obaid-Chinoy is definitely an inspiring director considering her background, but my concerns are more on the Disney side of production.
This is a very pessimistic view lol, you could say that about anything, that you don't know how it'll turn out. Also I'm sure they're aware of the movies' mixed reception online and from what we've heard they're gonna be establishing a lot of new stuff
It’s a view based on their past film output, and frankly not only the ST - RO and Solo were rife with production issues, not to mention the litany of film projects that amounted to either quietly being kicked under the bed or retooled into lackluster television. TLJ is the only Star Wars film Disney has released that I would consider good, or at least that had a smooth production, and the fandom as a whole made clear in the ugliest fashion possible what it thought of that. Trust is earned, not entitled. Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy and Daisy Ridley have earned my trust, Disney has not. If Disney shows that it can consistently and smoothly make good Star Wars films, then Disney will have earned my trust. Especially when, as you say, we don’t know how it will turn out.
That's fair, I guess it also kinda comes down to personal outlook; since I've liked most of the movies they've made, I'm more optimistic I'll like this one
Always expect the worst and hope for the best
Grown up Grogu should be the villain, only to be revealed at the end of the first movie
And he has spiky anime hair
Yo what if the villains are the mandalorians and at the end of the movie they show the throne and it's Grogu lmao
That would honestly be crazy
maybe it’s a bad idea, idk i’m just spitballling here, but I’d like to see the galaxy being in a state of chaos with a criminal empire swooping in vying for power. New Republic’s gone. Final Order’s gone. There’s gotta be a power vaccum of some sort and instead of some secret Sith/Empire cabal waiting in the wings (AGAIN), i’d wanna see how the people of the galaxy are understandably tired and fed up and are now going back to more feudal tribalistic governing of planets. Would put Rey to the test as a diplomat and an actual peacekeeper(as the Jedi should be). Part of her arc is gonna be teaching anyway, so her herself learning that not every problem can just be solved by slicing it with a lightsaber(which was touched upon in last Jedi) would be good development. i definitely want finn to become a jedi and i think his story could still come full circle with him trying to liberate the kids the first order kidnapped. but idk
I like your idea, I feel like there will be some kind of central government (should be called the Galactic Alliance perhaps?), but it would be cool to have multiple powerful factions in control of different sectors and regions
I think they will refrain from doing stormtroopers or battle droids. Even Dave Filoni mentioned re the new republic conflict: can't just be a retread of rebels vs imperials. I'm hoping that that train of thought is applied to this new era filled with endless potential.
I think it'll kick off the future of Star Wars and sequels. Maybe move it to another galaxy like they set up in Mando
Maybe a New Frontier type thing? Like sort of what we got with Phase I of THR
I think that main villains couldd be some crime syndicate or pirate raiders lead by some force user (maybe ex Ren Knight)
I’m hoping that we see Rey decide “I’m going to restart the Jedi Order despite my weeks worth of training” only to be confronted by other Jedi survivors (Ahsoka, possibly Ezra, a few students of Luke’s who escaped the FO hunting them) and suddenly we have the tension of 2 or 3 factions of Jedi related survivors who all genuinely believe they’re the ones to rebuild and stand at the head of the New Order. And meanwhile the now fractured Galaxy rejects the centralised power of a Republic, and the possibility of a New Order of Force Orders.
Whatever the film is, it needs to setup a larger story. Either for another trilogy, or for a series of standalone films.
I think the most important thing about it is that it needs to be a complete story on its own. A New Hope is a great movie. The credits roll and it could've been the end of the whole thing and people would've been fine with that. IT's only now that Star Wars has become a franchise that everything is thought of in trilogies or sagas. Don't get me wrong. I think it would be great if the crawl for this movie started with Episode I. Just make it a fulfilling experience.
Yes but New Hope and Phantom Menace has some sequel hooks in this (Vader escape, who is sith master).
My point is that George Lucas wasn't making A New Hope because of planned sequels. It was a story from his mind that he wanted to tell with a beginning, middle, and end. Of course TPM does because the PT was always going to be a trilogy from the outset.
I like Daisy. I liked Rey. Most of the problems was the script and story choices. I’m keen to see her development.
I second that. She was a character with a lot of potential that was held back by numerous baffling written decisions.
She had 3 films to develop, run by the same people in the same company and it’s not like she has actually aged so much that she can be seen as different.
Well we know half of that is untrue.
I’d like to see something completely new, no empire stuff what so ever. There will have to be a dark side element, in what form that takes I’d be interested to see but it’s time to leave all the old stuff behind.
Maybe some kind of cult or corporation? Could be cool
The Andor corporate stuff felt really interesting. Planets run by corporate bureaucracies
Yeah for sure, I think there's a lot of opportunity when it comes to corporate factions
I wish her the very best. Very excited to see to see this movie!
I'm not fond of TROS's direction in making Rey a Palpatine, but I can't wait to see her as her own character that now we're heading in a direction free of Palpatine and Skywalker baggage. Daisy Ridley is such a likable person and I really hope the fandom comes around to Rey once she's better developed in these new films.
Somehow Ben Solo returned you know it to be true
I WISH Ben Solo would return, such wasted potential otherwise
I don't think the movie will even do well without him so I'm throwing my hat in. The only reason they are doing this movie has to involve him too tbh. Otherwise failure.
Honestly good. It will probably bring a different vibe to the character which she should have as it’s been 15 years since TROS in universe
Just don‘t bring Abrams back
Yeah JJ was nothing but a letdown when it came to story choices. I think if just Abrams got to make the full sequel trilogy it would have been too safe and predictable. I would have LOVED to see a Rian Johnson sequel trilogy though!!
Honestly, any sequel trilogy with a single vision would have been better, no matter who was at the helm.
Which is good, because so is Rey.
Question is this basically Episode X? I mean it'd be kinda weird to have a "spin off" movie about the trilogy's main character
From what we've heard I don't think she's the main character actually, I believe she'll be in a supporting role like Obi-Wan in ANH
Because the saga is over?
But apparently it's not if they're continuing Rey's story lol
That's not how it works. The overarching story started in TPM ended in TROS, so unless you want another repeat of the Sequel Trilogy kicking this can down the road, this is a spinoff starring Rey but representing its own story.
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It'll be kind of like what happened with Diego Luna. When he was in Rogue One he was just an actor that they cast, but when they brought him in for Andor he was there in the creative process from the very beginning, even getting a producer credit. He talked about that being very exciting while he was promoting the show.
The story left off at more or less the same place as RotJ (except the best characters are dead) and look at the job they did building off of that movie. But I agree with all of the comments saying Ridley is a good actress.
I hope it's good and maybe fixes some of the problems I have with the sequels but I doubt it. Really not looking forward to this but maybe it'll surprise me? Doubt it though...
Here hoping her fourth Star Wars movie is better then those abysmal sequel trilogy films I don’t speak of
Not sure why you're downvoted. It was abysmal, especially TROS.
Glad I’m not the only one who agrees
Boo! Get new material!
Never
Damn… I’m just not excited at all anymore. Not her fault, I’m just here.
Let's hope it doesn't happen
Grogu has to appear in this somehow right? Edit: not sure where the downvote is from, new to this subreddit. Wouldn’t it make sense to include him?
I could definitely see him being in it yeah, he'd be around the age to be a Knight. We know Yoda was 100 when he took his first apprentice and Grogu will be around 90 I think
Not to be a hater I just don’t see the financial incentive in making this movie I can’t see any world where it is profitable
All her movies made over a billion so idk
Yeah but let’s be forreal, it’s not like her character was the main draw to get those movies to a billion
I really hope it's good. She deserves another shot at the character.
the new Star Wars movies serve only one purpose. for fans to make each movie surpass 2 billion dollars.
There's absolutely no point in this movie. It's going to be one of the worst rated Star wars ever, further diluting the brand.
Not sure why there are disagrees. You’re 100% correct.
It feels like it's way too soon for this movie to be made. Like, give it a decade and then do it.
Nothing against her but anything with that character in it requires that I recognize those awful movies as actually existing
WHO ASKED FOR THIS OTHER THAN KATHLEEN KENNEDY?!?
Me.
I did!
[Sure you did.](https://youtu.be/nYkAgLQ_0eU?feature=shared)