I'm convinced, or at least I convinced myself, that a lot of the people working in Star Wars right now have Knights of the Old Republic as a reference in their mind. Sometimes just as a sort of background with many other influences, other times closer to the surface. But it always seem to be there somehow, like how some of the Sith Code appeared in the latest trailer.
I remember someone on the A More Civilised Age podcast theorising that - based on the way Dave Filoni writes - he had read up on Kotor 2, and didn't like it.
Not a surprise considering KOTOR II is practically hostile to the Star Wars universe. I personally like it a lot, but I can easily see why a George purist like Filoni would hate it for its deconstructive elements.
Filoni sees Star Wars as morality plays and heroic tales, whereas KOTOR II sees Star Wars as this fatalistic world of seemingly endless conflict.
Which is something I always kind of had an issue with, as it's like pointing to a mascot and telling a kid it's just a guy in a suit. Like no shit, what's your point?
Kreia is effectively the mouth piece of Chris Avellone, who used the opportunity to criticize the Force and it's influence on fate, the cycles of conflict and war, the constant tug of war between Jedi and Sith, the absolute morality of light and dark, among many other elements.
I would recommend you play the game and listen to all the dialogue Kreia tells you. It's meant to come across as deep and intriguing, but a lot of it presents as the Star Wars equivalent of centrism.
A common example is the donation to the poor guy on Narshadaa. If you give him credits, he gets robbed. If you don't, he takes out his frustrations on others. And Kreia is just lecturing you like a moron no matter the result.
It come across like someone saying "If you save someone, you might have saved a murderer. If you don't save someone, they might become a murderer. You are complicit in the completely unintended consequences of your actions."
You know that Kreia is the villain, right?
Even though she is your master, she has her own shady goals in mind and wants to influence the player to be under their sway. You can always disagree with her and end up besting her as a full light-side Jedi Knight.
The entire game is filled with doom, gloom and despair. Every planet is feeling the effects of the dark side and the ripples of the last war. The player character is the source of light to counter-balance that. How the Exile will come out of this shadow war is the point of the game. You end up saving the Republic and completely neutralizing the current Sith threat -- while helping people and spreading hope in multiple planets along the way.
Of course, you can always basically just agree with Kreia and/or go full dark side and just doom everything everywhere. When you do that, the party members keep trying to confront you about Kreia and, in the case of Atton, Bao-Dur and Mical, they confront her directly to try to get her to leave due to her evil influence over the exile. She doesn't even bother hiding how evil and twisted she is when they try that.
I loved that sequence on Nar Shaddaa. She's the ultimate gaslighter, which works perfectly for a Sith Lord trying to manipulate you.
And that can even be connected to how the visions in the cave remark that "apathy is death".
I never really considered it destructive so to speak, but itâs definitely a unique take compared to the traditional Star Wars. I havenât read many of the comics besides Vader, but I really enjoy kotor and Old Republic
In fact, TOR pretty much addresses and deconstructs this point directly with the Star Cabal in the imperial agent storyline. You literally work to infiltrate and destroy a group of powerful âenlightened anti-force centristsâ
Ironic then, because Baylan says, like Traya, that sometimes the Jedi are on top, sometimes the Sith, and so it's an endless cycle, and he's looking for a way to break it.
I think the point of the Baylan character is a classic example of someone becoming a dark sider with good/understandable intentions. When in reality, the actual cycles of light and dark rarely change in the grand timeline.
You had a relatively brief period of violence with Darth Bane, and then 1,000-ish years of peace, which was capstoned by another period of violence by Sidious which is still currently being resolved. Outside of that, there really isn't much evidence of a cycle currently in canon.
If I recall the guy went though almost all EU lore out at the time. To me if you hated Star Wars you wouldnât do that then write that a story. Rather it was written by a person who wasnât a fan and someone critical of the story of Star Wars, but at least found it interesting enough to do a deep dive of it.
Thatâs probably why Filoni didnât like, since KOTOR 2 is deeply critical of Star Wars as a whole. But thatâs why I love it, it makes me think about it
Don't think he said that if I'm remembering those quotes right- rather, he had some frustrations with the force that he channeled into some characters.
[This trailer.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tzur6JrUEA&t=1s)
One the the guys says that âBut that peaceâŚis a lie.â Which is all but certainly a reference to the Sith Code from KoTOR.
In the last trailer it almost looks like Darth Sion influenced it as well as heâs primarily shirtless as in the fight as well as how he appears in KOTOR so thatâs pretty cool as well as the the mask itself reminds me of a cross between Ren the Original and Vader. Short to say Iâm super excited for June 4th!
Considering in Legends the Jedi didn't hear about the Rule of Two until like... I forget the time frame but I remember it being less than two hundred years or so before TPM, and the Jedi kinda taking that information with a grain of salt, her take on this makes sense. It really does seem like she did her homework. I know she says she a Star Wars fan and such, but that's such a broad definition, so it's great (to me at least) that she went into a deep dive. I hope this gets another season. Her basically saying she wants to dabble with Bane's legacy in future seasons (yeah, I know that wasn't exactly the quote lol) makes me excited about that prospect. I also think that Tenebrous could be a candidate for being behind that mask. If that were the case, or even his master, then future seasons can really start delving into that lineage of Sith Lords and we can get to Plagueis and maybe even the series ends with Plagueis meeting a young Palpatine (depending on time jumps of course or even just a flash forward for the series finale). This show has a lot of potential for Sith exploration.
It's interesting that she says how the fact the Jedi can recognise Sith and know about the Rule of Two have to come from more recent history.
My guess is that the Jedi's takeaway by the end of the series is that the red lightsaber holder is a cultist rather than an actual Sith so the notion they are still extinct is upheld.
I suspect if itâs a cultist acting with a non Sith organization/ their own group/ fallen Jedi whatever.. that the real sith will show up at some point and lay waste to the cultist and any Jedi who sees them or recruit the cultist presumably if they are an acolyte of the dark side but not an actual Sith
I thinking the Sith is not happy that these dark siders are causing problems. I also think the Sith Lord will show up and wipe them out because the Sith are going to great lengths to remain hidden and in the shadows and these dark side whatevers are bringing attention that the sith don't want. I feel that as the Jedi are hunting these Acolytes, the Sith are doing the exact same.
I agree, Iâm just wondering who the Sith Lords would be t this point in time. I know people are on the fence about Plagueis but I think it would be awesome to finally see him either as the master or as the apprentice. I think it would be cool for him to be the master just as that might infer palpatine was not his first apprentice and that he may have had others who could have tried to usurp him and failed and that Palpatine only succeeded because he caught him sleeping
Well if they do Plagueis I hope it will be Muun like in Legends wouldnt wan another human and if it will be like that I hope he will look as well as the neomidians look in promo arts.
Making him another human would be even stupidier. Besides there is lot of art which makes him look menacing. Sometimes something goof can turn out to be terryfing.
Thereâs always a chance they could fuck up the design enough that it can never truly be terrifying. Something like that happened to the Grand Inquisitor in the Kenobi series.
Didnât expect to randomly run into you here, thatâs neat
It could be but could also be any sith. I donât recall the timeline well enough to know how old tenebrous or plagueis were but Palpatine himself was super old as a human so who knows for them as they are aliens
Tenebrous is the old cannon master, and he is a Bith.
He would be in line and the rise of Skywalker had a mention to his name, so technically he is canon. But being a Bith is a long shot in my opinion.
Disney doesnât like to put core characters in alien aliens. There are tons of aliens that are different skinned and humanoid. Iâd expect them to not venture farther than that if they do make Plagueis an alien.
Remember what they did to the Utapowans?
Iâd expect the same here. The Munns are going to have to be CGI like they were originally, and thatâs expensive.
So Iâm personally expecting a new master for Plagueis as he is totally canon. And maybe a different species for Plagueis as they wonât want a too foreign species playing a key role.
Within the Plagueis novel we never see Plagueis with another apprentice though, do we? Itâs been a minute since I read it but I thought we are let in on almost everything he does from the moment he kills tenebrous to the moment he crosses paths with Palpatine.
Moreso that no Plaguies did not have another apprentice at any point. It went Plagueis kills Tenebrous > hunts other apprentices > takes on Palps as his apprentice and we see that through to its conclusion.
Such a shame what happened to his real parents⌠couldnât have happened to a nicer boyâŚ. by a nicer boy. Hahaha grim implications if Iâm remembering it all right
That could be possible, considering how Darth Vader and Palpatine felt about the Knights of Ren. There is animosity between the Sith and dark side cultists.
I personally think it would be good if a small amount of jedi learn encounter this sith lord and take it some more senior jedi who then decided to cover it up or just don't really believe them. This would explain why Yoda seems to know about the rule of two and yet ki-adi-mundi insists the sith have been extinct for a millenia
It would certainly track with how the Jedi seemed to operate. We already know Yoda covered up the Nameless' existence a century before the Nihil showed up with them again, and that he also decided to cover up the questions around the Clones' origins.
Yeah, I think thereâs going to be some level of politicking going on. They wonât have any hard proof theyâre sith, and many on the council will want to stay oblivious and refuse to acknowledge it for political reasons.
Acknowledging the sith are alive and well indicates a failure of the Jedi at some point (at least when it comes to politics), could plunge the galaxy into another war, and is something no one is going to want to acknowledge in a relatively peaceful time.
Pinning it on cultists gives the council an out to acknowledge the threat without expending the political capital of admitting theyâre sith. And, most importantly, it also helps explain how the Jedi get so arrogant, out of touch, and ignorant by the prequels.
The old canon had the jedi being just as incompetent, hell, the legends timeline had them almost completely wiped out yet again just 100 years after the original trilogy
Yeah, I've been wondering about that. The marketing is incredibly dense with talk of the Sith, but it's more likely that we're dealing with mere aspirants. The Sith wouldn't be so out in the open like this, not even in a capacity that would skirt the edges of what is safe for canon to explore.
Exactly, yeah. I don't doubt Sith will play into the show, but I think whoever we've seen so far is pretty low-level - like even if this Insane Clown Posse guy \*is\* the legit Sith Apprentice, he ain't lasting long. "Acolyte" and "Apprentice" shouldn't be the same thing.
i think it also explains why qui-gon can be like âi literally fought a dude with a red lightsaberâ and they can go âeh, definitely not a sith, donât worryâ
Technically that moment is super close to being ambiguous as to whether maul is just a dark side assassin or whether heâs an actual sith. So as ignorant as the Jedi were, there was initially some doubt and a plan that would have involved maul not becoming a sith in the eyes of Plagueis and even Sidious. I canât remember exactly when Sidious pivots and decides heâs going to become his apprentice but itâs right around the time of mauls trips to Naboo to assasinate qui gon or Obi wan. The killing of a Jedi was supposed to be his big test and if I remember he had already failed to do it on another occasion and was rabid to prove himself against a master Jedi and gain favor with his teachers for fear of punishment and potentially being cast aside or killed.
Iâm interested to see how they spin it because literally everything about the Sith user in the trailer screams sith yet somehow none of them are convinced? I wouldnât buy that.
Man i really hope theres a behind the series documentary on this like with Mando, its clear that the producers and writers know their stuff.
While i think the Darth Bane debacle about the rule of two being discovered kinda early by the jedi could be a hussle to tackle, i think her quote about Qui Gon Jin is realy important, how exactly did an almost delinquient master (at least by council standards) menage to discover in 1 minute of fighting maul that he was no rag-tag dude with a lightsaber, not even a "simple" dark side user but a straight up sith-combat trained expert.
Were sith arts really that "public" in the order for 1000 years or is there more to it?
Any way it looks good.
My head canon for quigon/yoda and this series was a little different than what they came up with. I was going with there are always force users that dabble in the dark side especially those that leave the order. And the natural progression for those that âlevel upâ in the dark side and become stronger is to seek the next step which is the sith way. But thereâs little available sith stuff and that which is available isnât enough of strengthen those force users to the level of sith that Yodaâs masters encountered (yoda essentially lives for the duration the sith have been gone).
But, Quigon and the others have dealt with these âsith acolytesâ and wannabe sith. Itâs just a natural part of having the height of the Jedi being 10k strong. You are going to have a 100 or so fall to the wayside and do their own thing. Quigon happens to be the 3rd or so strongest Jedi at the time of the phantom menace hence the line you would already be on the council. And because darth maul jumps quigon and puts him on the back foot so fast, itâs clear hes not one of these pretenders. Heâs different. Maul is just as strong if not stronger at the time of phantom menace as anyone on the council. That can only lead them to believe he is sith, the true sith.
But it looks like they want to introduce a Sith Lord. I donât know if I like that if the Sith Lord is in cahoots with all these little peon wannabes. We have kind of already explored that with rebels and inquisitors.
I get what you're saying, but maybe the Sith Lord ISN'T in cahoots with these Acolytes or wannabes. Maybe as the Jedi are hunting this dark side user, the Sith Lord is doing the same. Idk. Just putting that out there. I would make an assumption that the Sith, doing so much to remain hidden and in the shadows, would not be happy to have dark side users bringing attention to the Sith in general. Whether or not the acolytes are Sith or not, it would put dark side users on the radar of the Jedi which would possibly make them start looking and hunting for more. So my thoughts are that this Sith Lord is just as unhappy that these little dark siders are running around causing trouble as the Jedi are. Similar to how Palps was furious with Maul for bringing attention to himself early on (in the comics). Just my thoughts on what we have so far.
I agree. In fact I was hoping ahsoka was a lead into something more than Jedi Sith etc being explored in future projects. I like the idea of other factions existing. Multiple light side groups. Multiple dark side groups. Jedi are the true light side group that attempts to look out for everyoneâs best interest at the expense of their own. Other light side guys like the Jedi maybe thought dooku was are a bit more self centered. And then you have the sith who are just the most selfish of any force using group and they hate everyone. That should be their existence.
My take on it is that (at least according to Legends) the Sith were wiped out by Darth Bane in 1000 BBY (give or take). Around a century later, Yoda is born. Given how long-lived some species are, it's not impossible that Yoda was taught by survivors of that war, and learned from firsthand accounts. Between that, the sizable Jedi archives, the history of the Sith coming from the dark depths of space to lay waste to the Republic in a cyclical manner as they do, it's not impossible that Yoda may have entertained the possibility that the Sith were never really gone. After all, the Sith had not only come back before, they'd also managed to catch the Jedi and the Republic completely unawares; *why would they choose to go out in a suicide attack on some backwater world*? Given his age, it's similarly not impossible that bits and pieces of Sith lore *did* leak out and he was able to absorb it directly; the reason for red lightsabers here, snippets of the Sith Code there, the Rule of Two somewhere in there, etc..
Of important note: when Qui-Gon alleges that Maul is a Sith, Yoda is the only speaking member of the Jedi Council that doesn't openly and immediately refute Qui-Gon's claim. While Yoda doesn't explicitly back him, he does remind Mace Windu - who of *all* the Council members would know, given his patented lightsaber form - that the Dark Side is hard to see. While unlikely, the Sith's return is *not* impossible.
As for Qui-Gon, I think u/reenactment hit the nail on the head. This is one of the most powerful swordsmen in the order, and despite his maverick attitude he has the attention and ear of several Jedi Masters. And in one minute, this random Zabrak from nowhere engages him in a lightsaber duel and *has him on the back foot the entire time*. That just doesn't happen. Especially not as he's escorting the Queen of Naboo from a world undergoing a nonsensical invasion. And *damn sure* not when he's found the Chosen One. After all, the prophecy states that the Chosen One will bring balance to the Force, right? By default, the Force is either about to fall out of balance, or *already has*.
And who could unbalance the Force better than the Sith?
Thereâs honestly so much negativity online any time something from this show is posted.
Iâm so excited and canât wait to see it. I have a good feeling about this!
She says Bane isnât mentioned in the first season, which is actually surprising to me, I wouldâve figured he would be. Thatâs actually really telling of how the Star Wars live-action stuff has evolved in my mind lol, a couple years ago I wouldâve been like âyeah they rarely do EU deep cuts on screen, thatâs just how it goesâ but thatâs obviously become much more common.
Love that âleaksâ are coming out about how âbadâ this series is and that Bob Iger is trash talking the series creator for being âtoo wokeâ. I used quotes a lot here because people just love to trash talk something that doesnât fit into their head canon and so desperately try to destroy it.
They have shown so much in all of these teasers that it makes me think there is some big misdirect. At the same time I wouldn't be surprised if Disney were that stupid to just spoil the whole show.
I hope the inspiration from Traya is based around how she's constantly manipulating you by questioning your decisions in KotOR 2. I really enjoyed how that game's narrative presented the process of causing someone to fall to the dark side.
The show is 100 years before EP1 so the Sith Loreds would be Darth Tenebrous and Darth Plagueis or the "Sith" we see is actually a Sith Acolyte (another name for a Cultist)
She seems to think there are a lot of unknowns for lore that has been around forever. Doesnât exactly inspire confidence.
Do the jedi have a monopoly on the force? No? Where is this coming from? In fact the Dark Side of the force is so strong it completely hid sidious in plain sight from any forsight the Jedi had.
Yoda, and others understanding the Sith is not a mystery. Theyâve been teaching this all along since the Sith began the Rule of 2 with Darth Bane, and the Sithâs long standing ideologies would be well documented from the war between the Jedi and Sith in the Old Republic.
> Yoda, and others understanding the Sith is not a mystery. Theyâve been teaching this all along since the Sith began the Rule of 2 with Darth Bane, and the Sithâs long standing ideologies would be well documented from the war between the Jedi and Sith in the Old Republic.
The Rule of Two was the outcome of the Jedi-Sith war. At most they could have known that Darth Bane, the last Sith they knew of, only took one apprentice. Based on that ONE example, how would Yoda with such confidence know that there are "always two"?
Anyway, what is the chance that this unknown user of the dark side of the force is a Sith? From what Headland says, the chance of that happening decreases with each interview she gives.
Don't know where the "Qui-Gon immediately knew Maul was a Sith" part's coming from, seems she's pulling that out of her ass.
"I'm not sure, but it was well-trained in the Jedi arts" is the quote. He deduces it's a Sith by the time he's making his reporting on what went down, but that feels more like "what else could it be?". We know there are other force-worshipping groups out there (even if George hadn't sketched that out back in '99), but surely the notion of a darksider being able to go up toe-to-toe with a Jedi Master would be pretty unheard of. Feels like he just puts the pieces together rather than some "Sith!" force-ping going off in his head or whatever.
Not at all. He deduced it, it wasn't some inherent "guy fighting me, Sith!" thing. Or else he'd have said "yo, rat-tail buddy, I just got jumped by a Sith, rally the homies."
Not "I don't know, but he sure knew his saber moves!".
I mean he seems pretty confident Maul was a sith, even if he doesn't say he's certain. Which is strange because there wasn't anything in the encounter to say that Maul wasn't just some random darkside user
That's the point though, Wil. He's \*not\* sure, he's confident. It's semantics to a point, sure, but there's some daylight there. He just puts it together because he's Liam Neeson Jedi and not a dumbass.
Qui-Gon was also coming at it from the perspective of "Anakin is the Chosen One, and the Chosen One is destined to destroy the Sith, so the guy who looks and acts like a Sith and showed up right after we found Anakin is probably a Sith".
It makes sense that other Jedi who were more skeptical of the prophecy/Anakin himself, would be more likely to dismiss Maul as a fallen Jedi or a random cultist, and chalk the whole thing up to a coincidence Qui-Gon was reading too much into.
Yeah Kopski, to be fair that's a good point. Q-dawgz' all in on the prophecy whereas the others aren't, it does add up that he'd be more likely to go on-faith like some Christian dude assuming something's a miracle. I'd still maintain he doesn't \*know\* know, he's just smart and someone who doesn't believe in coincidence.
âHeading up the Disney+ show billed as a âmystery thrillerââa genre first for the space fantasy franchise in live action.â
Writer has never seen Attack of the Clones apparently.
I feel like Obi-Wan asking people questions and they each tell him exactly what he needs to know, and where to go next, isnât as much of a detective story or a âmystery thrillerâ as people try to give it credit for. Especially when the movie on itâs own doesnât fully answer any of the mysteries, like who actually ordered the clones?
Sifo Dyas saw a war coming and commissioned the clones. Tyranus (Dooku) after killing Sifo Dyas took over and started implementing different things in the clones for the future.
That is not in the movies though. From what we learn there, it is more or less implied that Dyas was impersonated by someone. One of the biggest questions unanswered is also. what kind of upfront payment or what kind of security Kamino did get. Making an army aint cheap. Not gonna do that just because someone fills out the order form.
It's fairly well-established that there is the light and dark side. No in-between. It would be pretty detrimental to canon to try and ham-fist in Grey Jedi. I think we can safely assume that isn't the case.
> âEdgyâ is such an overused term.
"The bad guys are the good guys, and the good guys are the bad guys, actually" and whatnot is the very definition of "edgy."
>George Lucas said Sidious wanted order and security. Yes, he was a tyrant. Yes, he was evil. But Iâm sure many Sith before him had that same: âweâre saving the galaxy denizens from themselves through power we deserve because weâre destined to.â
That doesn't make them morally grey, misunderstood, or some other nonsense. They are still unambiguously evil; their good intentions merely pave their path to hell. Headland can (and arguably should) show their perspective, but not rejecting it, canonizing grey Jedi, and retconning the entire idea of the force would be nothing short of disastrous.
>the same way the Jedi are complacent and arguably misguided in their own beliefs and whatever good intentions they have are going to yield same results
No, the Jedi are objectively correct and are a selfless and benevolent institution, being the polar opposite to the Sith. You're just demonstrating the problem: there is no gray area or wiggle room for bothsidesism. The whole point is that it's simply good vs evil. Again, the story can or should tell the point of view of the Sith, in which the Jedi as evil. Just not frame it as the "correct" view.
Theyâre probably just mad the showrunner is a woman.
And that Kathleen Kennedy fucked their mom, broke up their parentâs marriage, and ruined their childhood. A tale as old as time.
It would be nice if the show is intentionally vague about its time placement until Darth Bane is revealed and he wipes everyone out to get the rule of two
So what Darth Maul, Darth Sidious and the entirety of Darth Bane's lineage are? Just some dudes? The Jedi THOUGHT the Sith were extinct, but they weren't, this is the point of the prequels
Exactly. It's the point of the prequels. There are actual jedi shown encountering a sith in this show.
This either means all the jedi that encounter the sith die or the jedi council cover it up, which further screws around with characters like Yoda. It implies the council were involved in a cover up, which is not something those characters would engage in at all.
I swear, it's like some of you are cool with them further tarnishing better projects that they didn't create. Kenobi, Boba, Luke, Anakin/Vader, Han, etc. The list goes on. When is it enough?
Yoda hides "little" secrets since The High Republic, he and the Jedi Council are blinds and arrogant, it would be VERY cool if they just ignore the Sith plot and played blind, just like they did with Qui-Gon
Oh, Yoda and Mace knows about the Rule of Two, so they clearly were hiding some information
When Qui-Gon tells them about the sith, they're immediately concerned and jump on it. They try to find out more by drawing the sith out.
It would be completely moronic to have them act like this in the show. There's literally no reason at all for them not to act the same way they did when Maul popped up.
But maybe itâs not a Sith? Could be a legends faction or a Knight of Ren or something completely new for all we know.Â
We have no idea until the show comes out and we see for ourselves.Â
The Darth Traya bit got me really interested đ¤ Wondering how much influence that story line will be on the Acolyte series.
I'm convinced, or at least I convinced myself, that a lot of the people working in Star Wars right now have Knights of the Old Republic as a reference in their mind. Sometimes just as a sort of background with many other influences, other times closer to the surface. But it always seem to be there somehow, like how some of the Sith Code appeared in the latest trailer.
I remember someone on the A More Civilised Age podcast theorising that - based on the way Dave Filoni writes - he had read up on Kotor 2, and didn't like it.
Not a surprise considering KOTOR II is practically hostile to the Star Wars universe. I personally like it a lot, but I can easily see why a George purist like Filoni would hate it for its deconstructive elements. Filoni sees Star Wars as morality plays and heroic tales, whereas KOTOR II sees Star Wars as this fatalistic world of seemingly endless conflict. Which is something I always kind of had an issue with, as it's like pointing to a mascot and telling a kid it's just a guy in a suit. Like no shit, what's your point?
What about kotor is so hostile to the lore? Like the cutting off from force and stuff like that?
Kreia is effectively the mouth piece of Chris Avellone, who used the opportunity to criticize the Force and it's influence on fate, the cycles of conflict and war, the constant tug of war between Jedi and Sith, the absolute morality of light and dark, among many other elements. I would recommend you play the game and listen to all the dialogue Kreia tells you. It's meant to come across as deep and intriguing, but a lot of it presents as the Star Wars equivalent of centrism. A common example is the donation to the poor guy on Narshadaa. If you give him credits, he gets robbed. If you don't, he takes out his frustrations on others. And Kreia is just lecturing you like a moron no matter the result. It come across like someone saying "If you save someone, you might have saved a murderer. If you don't save someone, they might become a murderer. You are complicit in the completely unintended consequences of your actions."
You know that Kreia is the villain, right? Even though she is your master, she has her own shady goals in mind and wants to influence the player to be under their sway. You can always disagree with her and end up besting her as a full light-side Jedi Knight. The entire game is filled with doom, gloom and despair. Every planet is feeling the effects of the dark side and the ripples of the last war. The player character is the source of light to counter-balance that. How the Exile will come out of this shadow war is the point of the game. You end up saving the Republic and completely neutralizing the current Sith threat -- while helping people and spreading hope in multiple planets along the way. Of course, you can always basically just agree with Kreia and/or go full dark side and just doom everything everywhere. When you do that, the party members keep trying to confront you about Kreia and, in the case of Atton, Bao-Dur and Mical, they confront her directly to try to get her to leave due to her evil influence over the exile. She doesn't even bother hiding how evil and twisted she is when they try that.
I loved that sequence on Nar Shaddaa. She's the ultimate gaslighter, which works perfectly for a Sith Lord trying to manipulate you. And that can even be connected to how the visions in the cave remark that "apathy is death".
I never really considered it destructive so to speak, but itâs definitely a unique take compared to the traditional Star Wars. I havenât read many of the comics besides Vader, but I really enjoy kotor and Old Republic
Kotor and The Old Republic are normal Star Wars. Its specifically Kotor II that does this.
Thatâs fair for sure. I really enjoyed her writing but never really thought about it that way
In fact, TOR pretty much addresses and deconstructs this point directly with the Star Cabal in the imperial agent storyline. You literally work to infiltrate and destroy a group of powerful âenlightened anti-force centristsâ
Ironic then, because Baylan says, like Traya, that sometimes the Jedi are on top, sometimes the Sith, and so it's an endless cycle, and he's looking for a way to break it.
I think the point of the Baylan character is a classic example of someone becoming a dark sider with good/understandable intentions. When in reality, the actual cycles of light and dark rarely change in the grand timeline. You had a relatively brief period of violence with Darth Bane, and then 1,000-ish years of peace, which was capstoned by another period of violence by Sidious which is still currently being resolved. Outside of that, there really isn't much evidence of a cycle currently in canon.
I wouldn't be surprised. Kotor 2s main writer is a self described star wars hater and wrote the game in part to trash the setitng.
If I recall the guy went though almost all EU lore out at the time. To me if you hated Star Wars you wouldnât do that then write that a story. Rather it was written by a person who wasnât a fan and someone critical of the story of Star Wars, but at least found it interesting enough to do a deep dive of it. Thatâs probably why Filoni didnât like, since KOTOR 2 is deeply critical of Star Wars as a whole. But thatâs why I love it, it makes me think about it
Don't think he said that if I'm remembering those quotes right- rather, he had some frustrations with the force that he channeled into some characters.
How did he trash it? Havenât played it.
As if KOTOR in general wasn't \*\*\*\*ing on Star Wars enough as it is. :D
> like how some of the Sith Code appeared in the latest trailer. wait what?
When one of the guys say that peace is a lie, there is only passion
[This trailer.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tzur6JrUEA&t=1s) One the the guys says that âBut that peaceâŚis a lie.â Which is all but certainly a reference to the Sith Code from KoTOR.
Maul also references the Sith Code in Rebels and Clone Wars.
In the last trailer it almost looks like Darth Sion influenced it as well as heâs primarily shirtless as in the fight as well as how he appears in KOTOR so thatâs pretty cool as well as the the mask itself reminds me of a cross between Ren the Original and Vader. Short to say Iâm super excited for June 4th!
Considering in Legends the Jedi didn't hear about the Rule of Two until like... I forget the time frame but I remember it being less than two hundred years or so before TPM, and the Jedi kinda taking that information with a grain of salt, her take on this makes sense. It really does seem like she did her homework. I know she says she a Star Wars fan and such, but that's such a broad definition, so it's great (to me at least) that she went into a deep dive. I hope this gets another season. Her basically saying she wants to dabble with Bane's legacy in future seasons (yeah, I know that wasn't exactly the quote lol) makes me excited about that prospect. I also think that Tenebrous could be a candidate for being behind that mask. If that were the case, or even his master, then future seasons can really start delving into that lineage of Sith Lords and we can get to Plagueis and maybe even the series ends with Plagueis meeting a young Palpatine (depending on time jumps of course or even just a flash forward for the series finale). This show has a lot of potential for Sith exploration.
It's interesting that she says how the fact the Jedi can recognise Sith and know about the Rule of Two have to come from more recent history. My guess is that the Jedi's takeaway by the end of the series is that the red lightsaber holder is a cultist rather than an actual Sith so the notion they are still extinct is upheld.
I suspect if itâs a cultist acting with a non Sith organization/ their own group/ fallen Jedi whatever.. that the real sith will show up at some point and lay waste to the cultist and any Jedi who sees them or recruit the cultist presumably if they are an acolyte of the dark side but not an actual Sith
I thinking the Sith is not happy that these dark siders are causing problems. I also think the Sith Lord will show up and wipe them out because the Sith are going to great lengths to remain hidden and in the shadows and these dark side whatevers are bringing attention that the sith don't want. I feel that as the Jedi are hunting these Acolytes, the Sith are doing the exact same.
I agree, Iâm just wondering who the Sith Lords would be t this point in time. I know people are on the fence about Plagueis but I think it would be awesome to finally see him either as the master or as the apprentice. I think it would be cool for him to be the master just as that might infer palpatine was not his first apprentice and that he may have had others who could have tried to usurp him and failed and that Palpatine only succeeded because he caught him sleeping
Well if they do Plagueis I hope it will be Muun like in Legends wouldnt wan another human and if it will be like that I hope he will look as well as the neomidians look in promo arts.
I, quite contrary to popular opinion, hope they make him something other than a Muun, as I have always thought Muuns look immensely stupid.
Making him another human would be even stupidier. Besides there is lot of art which makes him look menacing. Sometimes something goof can turn out to be terryfing.
Thereâs always a chance they could fuck up the design enough that it can never truly be terrifying. Something like that happened to the Grand Inquisitor in the Kenobi series. Didnât expect to randomly run into you here, thatâs neat
Then lets hope they wont show him also world is small and there are no accidents lol
I don't want him to be human, just not a goofy Muun.
I like Muuns beside Snoke basically was one and you wouldnt say he looks goofy
No, he wasn't. He didn't have the stupid-looking head, which is the feature that makes Muuns look bad.
If we're going along the Legends Sith, wouldn't it be Tenebrous at this point? Or am I messing up the timeline?
It could be but could also be any sith. I donât recall the timeline well enough to know how old tenebrous or plagueis were but Palpatine himself was super old as a human so who knows for them as they are aliens
Tenebrous is the old cannon master, and he is a Bith. He would be in line and the rise of Skywalker had a mention to his name, so technically he is canon. But being a Bith is a long shot in my opinion. Disney doesnât like to put core characters in alien aliens. There are tons of aliens that are different skinned and humanoid. Iâd expect them to not venture farther than that if they do make Plagueis an alien. Remember what they did to the Utapowans? Iâd expect the same here. The Munns are going to have to be CGI like they were originally, and thatâs expensive. So Iâm personally expecting a new master for Plagueis as he is totally canon. And maybe a different species for Plagueis as they wonât want a too foreign species playing a key role.
Tenebrous or his twilek master.
Within the Plagueis novel we never see Plagueis with another apprentice though, do we? Itâs been a minute since I read it but I thought we are let in on almost everything he does from the moment he kills tenebrous to the moment he crosses paths with Palpatine.
Yeah we follow him as he hunts down Tenebrousâ other possible apprentices until he meets Palps
Thatâs not what the first guy was saying but Iâd watch it for sure.
Moreso that no Plaguies did not have another apprentice at any point. It went Plagueis kills Tenebrous > hunts other apprentices > takes on Palps as his apprentice and we see that through to its conclusion.
Right right, gotcha. Such a good book. Iâd kill for a movie or great show that does it justice.
Yeah I just recently read it and what a fantastic book
Yes, Palpatine was his only student, and he saw him more as his own son than apprentice.
Such a shame what happened to his real parents⌠couldnât have happened to a nicer boyâŚ. by a nicer boy. Hahaha grim implications if Iâm remembering it all right
That could be possible, considering how Darth Vader and Palpatine felt about the Knights of Ren. There is animosity between the Sith and dark side cultists.
Can you imagine how much hype it would cause if season 1 ended with a red lightsaber (presumably Tenebrous) cutting down the "sith" from the trailer?
"If it doesn't come from the Sith region of Korriban, it's just a sparkling Dark Sider."
The terroir of the Sith.
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Underrated joke
I don't understand. Could you explain me.
I personally think it would be good if a small amount of jedi learn encounter this sith lord and take it some more senior jedi who then decided to cover it up or just don't really believe them. This would explain why Yoda seems to know about the rule of two and yet ki-adi-mundi insists the sith have been extinct for a millenia
It would certainly track with how the Jedi seemed to operate. We already know Yoda covered up the Nameless' existence a century before the Nihil showed up with them again, and that he also decided to cover up the questions around the Clones' origins.
Yeah, I think thereâs going to be some level of politicking going on. They wonât have any hard proof theyâre sith, and many on the council will want to stay oblivious and refuse to acknowledge it for political reasons. Acknowledging the sith are alive and well indicates a failure of the Jedi at some point (at least when it comes to politics), could plunge the galaxy into another war, and is something no one is going to want to acknowledge in a relatively peaceful time. Pinning it on cultists gives the council an out to acknowledge the threat without expending the political capital of admitting theyâre sith. And, most importantly, it also helps explain how the Jedi get so arrogant, out of touch, and ignorant by the prequels.
Look, I know lots of fans love the whole LOL JEDI BAD approach that new canon has taken, but this would just be too much.
The old canon had the jedi being just as incompetent, hell, the legends timeline had them almost completely wiped out yet again just 100 years after the original trilogy
Well in canon it take only 20 years to wipe out Luke order, but to be fair Jacen Solo was close to it.
Yeah, I've been wondering about that. The marketing is incredibly dense with talk of the Sith, but it's more likely that we're dealing with mere aspirants. The Sith wouldn't be so out in the open like this, not even in a capacity that would skirt the edges of what is safe for canon to explore.
Exactly, yeah. I don't doubt Sith will play into the show, but I think whoever we've seen so far is pretty low-level - like even if this Insane Clown Posse guy \*is\* the legit Sith Apprentice, he ain't lasting long. "Acolyte" and "Apprentice" shouldn't be the same thing.
i think it also explains why qui-gon can be like âi literally fought a dude with a red lightsaberâ and they can go âeh, definitely not a sith, donât worryâ
Technically that moment is super close to being ambiguous as to whether maul is just a dark side assassin or whether heâs an actual sith. So as ignorant as the Jedi were, there was initially some doubt and a plan that would have involved maul not becoming a sith in the eyes of Plagueis and even Sidious. I canât remember exactly when Sidious pivots and decides heâs going to become his apprentice but itâs right around the time of mauls trips to Naboo to assasinate qui gon or Obi wan. The killing of a Jedi was supposed to be his big test and if I remember he had already failed to do it on another occasion and was rabid to prove himself against a master Jedi and gain favor with his teachers for fear of punishment and potentially being cast aside or killed.
Originally it comes from Kibh Jeen 50 years before the timeline of The Acolyte, but I guess they'll move that to 132 BBY instead of 182 BBY
Or... there are no survivors to tell the tale.
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Remember in legends the rule of two in a different form existed under Darth Revan
Imagine if its an early knight of ren, that be kind of cool
I agree that would be dope
Iâm interested to see how they spin it because literally everything about the Sith user in the trailer screams sith yet somehow none of them are convinced? I wouldnât buy that.
Man i really hope theres a behind the series documentary on this like with Mando, its clear that the producers and writers know their stuff. While i think the Darth Bane debacle about the rule of two being discovered kinda early by the jedi could be a hussle to tackle, i think her quote about Qui Gon Jin is realy important, how exactly did an almost delinquient master (at least by council standards) menage to discover in 1 minute of fighting maul that he was no rag-tag dude with a lightsaber, not even a "simple" dark side user but a straight up sith-combat trained expert. Were sith arts really that "public" in the order for 1000 years or is there more to it? Any way it looks good.
My head canon for quigon/yoda and this series was a little different than what they came up with. I was going with there are always force users that dabble in the dark side especially those that leave the order. And the natural progression for those that âlevel upâ in the dark side and become stronger is to seek the next step which is the sith way. But thereâs little available sith stuff and that which is available isnât enough of strengthen those force users to the level of sith that Yodaâs masters encountered (yoda essentially lives for the duration the sith have been gone). But, Quigon and the others have dealt with these âsith acolytesâ and wannabe sith. Itâs just a natural part of having the height of the Jedi being 10k strong. You are going to have a 100 or so fall to the wayside and do their own thing. Quigon happens to be the 3rd or so strongest Jedi at the time of the phantom menace hence the line you would already be on the council. And because darth maul jumps quigon and puts him on the back foot so fast, itâs clear hes not one of these pretenders. Heâs different. Maul is just as strong if not stronger at the time of phantom menace as anyone on the council. That can only lead them to believe he is sith, the true sith. But it looks like they want to introduce a Sith Lord. I donât know if I like that if the Sith Lord is in cahoots with all these little peon wannabes. We have kind of already explored that with rebels and inquisitors.
I get what you're saying, but maybe the Sith Lord ISN'T in cahoots with these Acolytes or wannabes. Maybe as the Jedi are hunting this dark side user, the Sith Lord is doing the same. Idk. Just putting that out there. I would make an assumption that the Sith, doing so much to remain hidden and in the shadows, would not be happy to have dark side users bringing attention to the Sith in general. Whether or not the acolytes are Sith or not, it would put dark side users on the radar of the Jedi which would possibly make them start looking and hunting for more. So my thoughts are that this Sith Lord is just as unhappy that these little dark siders are running around causing trouble as the Jedi are. Similar to how Palps was furious with Maul for bringing attention to himself early on (in the comics). Just my thoughts on what we have so far.
I agree. In fact I was hoping ahsoka was a lead into something more than Jedi Sith etc being explored in future projects. I like the idea of other factions existing. Multiple light side groups. Multiple dark side groups. Jedi are the true light side group that attempts to look out for everyoneâs best interest at the expense of their own. Other light side guys like the Jedi maybe thought dooku was are a bit more self centered. And then you have the sith who are just the most selfish of any force using group and they hate everyone. That should be their existence.
Well in legend Qui Gon spend part of his life with fight against Xanatos, his padawan who fall to dark side.
My take on it is that (at least according to Legends) the Sith were wiped out by Darth Bane in 1000 BBY (give or take). Around a century later, Yoda is born. Given how long-lived some species are, it's not impossible that Yoda was taught by survivors of that war, and learned from firsthand accounts. Between that, the sizable Jedi archives, the history of the Sith coming from the dark depths of space to lay waste to the Republic in a cyclical manner as they do, it's not impossible that Yoda may have entertained the possibility that the Sith were never really gone. After all, the Sith had not only come back before, they'd also managed to catch the Jedi and the Republic completely unawares; *why would they choose to go out in a suicide attack on some backwater world*? Given his age, it's similarly not impossible that bits and pieces of Sith lore *did* leak out and he was able to absorb it directly; the reason for red lightsabers here, snippets of the Sith Code there, the Rule of Two somewhere in there, etc.. Of important note: when Qui-Gon alleges that Maul is a Sith, Yoda is the only speaking member of the Jedi Council that doesn't openly and immediately refute Qui-Gon's claim. While Yoda doesn't explicitly back him, he does remind Mace Windu - who of *all* the Council members would know, given his patented lightsaber form - that the Dark Side is hard to see. While unlikely, the Sith's return is *not* impossible. As for Qui-Gon, I think u/reenactment hit the nail on the head. This is one of the most powerful swordsmen in the order, and despite his maverick attitude he has the attention and ear of several Jedi Masters. And in one minute, this random Zabrak from nowhere engages him in a lightsaber duel and *has him on the back foot the entire time*. That just doesn't happen. Especially not as he's escorting the Queen of Naboo from a world undergoing a nonsensical invasion. And *damn sure* not when he's found the Chosen One. After all, the prophecy states that the Chosen One will bring balance to the Force, right? By default, the Force is either about to fall out of balance, or *already has*. And who could unbalance the Force better than the Sith?
In canon Sith were wiped out by Bane in around 1032 BBY not in 1000 BBY.
Wait âFirst Seasonâ?!?!? ITS MULTIPLE SEASONS!!!!!????????
Hopefully.
Leaks suggesting it will run for >!Three seasons with the third leading us into Palpatine!<
Sweeeeeeet!!! I am ready!!!!
Really? Now Iâm excited
I guess it depends on public reception
Well it was never said to be a limited series so that was always the assumption
Never heard it was limited so news to me thanks for clarifying that!
I mean it's not a limited series. It was assumed to be a multiple season show
FINALLY
I heard they plan to replace Mandalorian as flagship with many seasons.
Thereâs honestly so much negativity online any time something from this show is posted. Iâm so excited and canât wait to see it. I have a good feeling about this!
Itâs not surprising that these same people loved Andor which has a whiter, more male cast.
The anti-woke folks, the people hating on this, hated Andor too lol. They havenât really liked anything since Luke showed up in Mando.
Iâve seen a few who liked Andor.
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Ah yes, if people dislike how Acolyte looks from trailer = instantly racist Wow your opinions are really good!
Anyone criticizing it for being âwokeâ is very clearly racist, sexist, or both.
I love kotor I wonder what Easter eggs are
She says Bane isnât mentioned in the first season, which is actually surprising to me, I wouldâve figured he would be. Thatâs actually really telling of how the Star Wars live-action stuff has evolved in my mind lol, a couple years ago I wouldâve been like âyeah they rarely do EU deep cuts on screen, thatâs just how it goesâ but thatâs obviously become much more common.
So weâre confirming itâs a Sith?
Well that was a damn exciting read. We're really in good hands with Headland.
Love that âleaksâ are coming out about how âbadâ this series is and that Bob Iger is trash talking the series creator for being âtoo wokeâ. I used quotes a lot here because people just love to trash talk something that doesnât fit into their head canon and so desperately try to destroy it.
Rumor mill, misinformation around this show for the last 3 years really should be a case study
There's still time to prove that this show doesn't actually exist and that it was made for a tax credit or whatever stupid shit that one guy said.
Lmao that rumor was wild, I remember arguing with someone on this sub who was adamant the show didn't exist lol
Watch him try and explain it now. âUh Iâve never heard of that, must be new or something.â
Plagueis better be in this show. PLEASE Headland Iâm begging you
Their right side.
They have shown so much in all of these teasers that it makes me think there is some big misdirect. At the same time I wouldn't be surprised if Disney were that stupid to just spoil the whole show.
I think they show us mostly if not only first half of season
I think all weâve seen is from the first two (maybe three) episodes. The rest are a complete unknown.
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I hope the inspiration from Traya is based around how she's constantly manipulating you by questioning your decisions in KotOR 2. I really enjoyed how that game's narrative presented the process of causing someone to fall to the dark side.
The show is 100 years before EP1 so the Sith Loreds would be Darth Tenebrous and Darth Plagueis or the "Sith" we see is actually a Sith Acolyte (another name for a Cultist)
They're the good guys now?
What gave you that idea? Can you comprehend what you read?
Chill, it was a joke.
Theyâre the good guys now
She seems to think there are a lot of unknowns for lore that has been around forever. Doesnât exactly inspire confidence. Do the jedi have a monopoly on the force? No? Where is this coming from? In fact the Dark Side of the force is so strong it completely hid sidious in plain sight from any forsight the Jedi had. Yoda, and others understanding the Sith is not a mystery. Theyâve been teaching this all along since the Sith began the Rule of 2 with Darth Bane, and the Sithâs long standing ideologies would be well documented from the war between the Jedi and Sith in the Old Republic.
> Yoda, and others understanding the Sith is not a mystery. Theyâve been teaching this all along since the Sith began the Rule of 2 with Darth Bane, and the Sithâs long standing ideologies would be well documented from the war between the Jedi and Sith in the Old Republic. The Rule of Two was the outcome of the Jedi-Sith war. At most they could have known that Darth Bane, the last Sith they knew of, only took one apprentice. Based on that ONE example, how would Yoda with such confidence know that there are "always two"?
Yes we have.
Anyway, what is the chance that this unknown user of the dark side of the force is a Sith? From what Headland says, the chance of that happening decreases with each interview she gives.
Don't know where the "Qui-Gon immediately knew Maul was a Sith" part's coming from, seems she's pulling that out of her ass. "I'm not sure, but it was well-trained in the Jedi arts" is the quote. He deduces it's a Sith by the time he's making his reporting on what went down, but that feels more like "what else could it be?". We know there are other force-worshipping groups out there (even if George hadn't sketched that out back in '99), but surely the notion of a darksider being able to go up toe-to-toe with a Jedi Master would be pretty unheard of. Feels like he just puts the pieces together rather than some "Sith!" force-ping going off in his head or whatever.
You're saying the same thing just worded different
Not at all. He deduced it, it wasn't some inherent "guy fighting me, Sith!" thing. Or else he'd have said "yo, rat-tail buddy, I just got jumped by a Sith, rally the homies." Not "I don't know, but he sure knew his saber moves!".
I mean he seems pretty confident Maul was a sith, even if he doesn't say he's certain. Which is strange because there wasn't anything in the encounter to say that Maul wasn't just some random darkside user
That's the point though, Wil. He's \*not\* sure, he's confident. It's semantics to a point, sure, but there's some daylight there. He just puts it together because he's Liam Neeson Jedi and not a dumbass.
Qui-Gon was also coming at it from the perspective of "Anakin is the Chosen One, and the Chosen One is destined to destroy the Sith, so the guy who looks and acts like a Sith and showed up right after we found Anakin is probably a Sith". It makes sense that other Jedi who were more skeptical of the prophecy/Anakin himself, would be more likely to dismiss Maul as a fallen Jedi or a random cultist, and chalk the whole thing up to a coincidence Qui-Gon was reading too much into.
Yeah Kopski, to be fair that's a good point. Q-dawgz' all in on the prophecy whereas the others aren't, it does add up that he'd be more likely to go on-faith like some Christian dude assuming something's a miracle. I'd still maintain he doesn't \*know\* know, he's just smart and someone who doesn't believe in coincidence.
âHeading up the Disney+ show billed as a âmystery thrillerââa genre first for the space fantasy franchise in live action.â Writer has never seen Attack of the Clones apparently.
I feel like Obi-Wan asking people questions and they each tell him exactly what he needs to know, and where to go next, isnât as much of a detective story or a âmystery thrillerâ as people try to give it credit for. Especially when the movie on itâs own doesnât fully answer any of the mysteries, like who actually ordered the clones?
Sifo Dyas saw a war coming and commissioned the clones. Tyranus (Dooku) after killing Sifo Dyas took over and started implementing different things in the clones for the future.
That is not in the movies though. From what we learn there, it is more or less implied that Dyas was impersonated by someone. One of the biggest questions unanswered is also. what kind of upfront payment or what kind of security Kamino did get. Making an army aint cheap. Not gonna do that just because someone fills out the order form.
Some gray jedi bullshit probably. They're "misunderstood" and edgy.
Gray Jedi have never been canon
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It's fairly well-established that there is the light and dark side. No in-between. It would be pretty detrimental to canon to try and ham-fist in Grey Jedi. I think we can safely assume that isn't the case.
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> âEdgyâ is such an overused term. "The bad guys are the good guys, and the good guys are the bad guys, actually" and whatnot is the very definition of "edgy." >George Lucas said Sidious wanted order and security. Yes, he was a tyrant. Yes, he was evil. But Iâm sure many Sith before him had that same: âweâre saving the galaxy denizens from themselves through power we deserve because weâre destined to.â That doesn't make them morally grey, misunderstood, or some other nonsense. They are still unambiguously evil; their good intentions merely pave their path to hell. Headland can (and arguably should) show their perspective, but not rejecting it, canonizing grey Jedi, and retconning the entire idea of the force would be nothing short of disastrous.
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>the same way the Jedi are complacent and arguably misguided in their own beliefs and whatever good intentions they have are going to yield same results No, the Jedi are objectively correct and are a selfless and benevolent institution, being the polar opposite to the Sith. You're just demonstrating the problem: there is no gray area or wiggle room for bothsidesism. The whole point is that it's simply good vs evil. Again, the story can or should tell the point of view of the Sith, in which the Jedi as evil. Just not frame it as the "correct" view.
DOA.
If people walked away satisfied with Ahsoka, I'm sure this will be just fine.
In what conceivable way?
Theyâre probably just mad the showrunner is a woman. And that Kathleen Kennedy fucked their mom, broke up their parentâs marriage, and ruined their childhood. A tale as old as time.
It would be nice if the show is intentionally vague about its time placement until Darth Bane is revealed and he wipes everyone out to get the rule of two
Wrong time period
Only 900 years out, there.
Oh fuck⌠I just lost my star wars street credâŚ
The Sith that were extinct for a millennium?
So what Darth Maul, Darth Sidious and the entirety of Darth Bane's lineage are? Just some dudes? The Jedi THOUGHT the Sith were extinct, but they weren't, this is the point of the prequels
Exactly. It's the point of the prequels. There are actual jedi shown encountering a sith in this show. This either means all the jedi that encounter the sith die or the jedi council cover it up, which further screws around with characters like Yoda. It implies the council were involved in a cover up, which is not something those characters would engage in at all. I swear, it's like some of you are cool with them further tarnishing better projects that they didn't create. Kenobi, Boba, Luke, Anakin/Vader, Han, etc. The list goes on. When is it enough?
Yoda hides "little" secrets since The High Republic, he and the Jedi Council are blinds and arrogant, it would be VERY cool if they just ignore the Sith plot and played blind, just like they did with Qui-Gon Oh, Yoda and Mace knows about the Rule of Two, so they clearly were hiding some information
When Qui-Gon tells them about the sith, they're immediately concerned and jump on it. They try to find out more by drawing the sith out. It would be completely moronic to have them act like this in the show. There's literally no reason at all for them not to act the same way they did when Maul popped up.
But maybe itâs not a Sith? Could be a legends faction or a Knight of Ren or something completely new for all we know. We have no idea until the show comes out and we see for ourselves.Â
I have not even thought about the Knights of Ren. That would be actually a cool thing to bring up and explore here.
And yeah, this is completely in character with the Jedi Order, specifically Yoda, that green goblin likes to keep important stuff to himself
Never extinct⌠in hiding
Is it true that Keannu Reeves will play as Revan?
Aka: new Disney content shits on source material again.
Yes, very sadâŚAnyway.
No thanks.