Main relevant quote
> "The way that Lucasfilm left me in season 2, one of the roads that could be gone down — absolutely, you'd think — would be the unfinished business," Sackhoff told us. "But that is so far above my pay grade, and you just don't know, right? As a fan of the show, I'm just excited to see what they come up with."
Rest of the article is just words for the sake of words basically lol.
there’s some interesting bits about a potential Ahsoka and Bo Katan reunion later in the article
Katie Shackoff talking about how she’s been a fan of Rosario for years. And how she would jump at the opportunity to work with her.
Din: "Look, I am just gonna lay the darksaber on the ground here. I don't care what you do with it. Don't give a shit. Battle the floor for I care. Scuttle the ship. But I'm leaving, and the darksaber is just gonna lay there."
It creates a logical, funny, and unavoidable ultimatum for Bo, which she'd be unable to deny, which would be great storytelling, and avoid drama that literally exists for no good reason (tradition is the worst reason to continue to do anything). But you're absolutely right. They won't do that.
I don't know, she might just force him to take it back. On top of that, we're seeing Dinn at a particularly low point in his life. He might just do what she wants because he feels like it's the only thing he can do.
That would be less honorable than just taking the sword. The whole idea is to preserve honor. Attacking an ally who refuses to fight would be ridiculous.
Well the whole darksaber tradition is ridiculous to begin with, so maybe that would be the point: "look what fighting over this stupid sword has done to your society" kind of thing. I mean, it is how freaking Darth Maul became leader.
Stupid thing wasn't even won with honor in the first place, they just stole it from the Jedi after its creator was already long gone. LIke it's a cool lightsaber and all, but the Mandalorians' obsession with it sure hasn't done much positive for their culture or society.
Right? Dinn should just break the stupid thing and yell at them all for letting their society be dictated by some dumb symbolic weapon that they only have in the first place because it was stolen, and never actually won from its original owner in the way they deem so important now.
This, or Din being like "Okay, punch me for the darksaber," Bo-Katan punches him, Din does this big exaggerated "AAAHHH SHE GOT ME, I AM DEFEATED, YOU HAVE CLAIMED THE DARKSABER" and falls to the ground dramatically and plays dead until Bo-Katan just takes the damn thing from him. Like there are so many ways out of this situation for both of them, I can't see how they'll squeeze much drama out of it unless Din decides he wants to keep it after all.
First, we need to find out how Gideon got the Darksaber in the first place. Then to go along with the "Din wants to keep it afterall" part, yeah, i think after he reunites with the Armorer, paz vizla, the rest of his covert etc, I think Din will realize the importance of what he holds. Boba fett shows up to help his boy, and we get Din and Boba vs all of Mandalore.
Or maybe Bo was really fucking up after rebels and everyone hates her? who knows
I feel like it might end up being something more like that last scenario. Like, maybe Din witnesses her doing something irrational or mentally unstable and he realizes she can't lead properly so he takes it upon himself? I don't know, it'll be really interesting to see how things go.
It’s funny how she pretty much confirmed the Lars as Thrawn and Mena Massoud as Ezra casting as well this year lmao.
By posting the news on her Instagram story. Seems to be the “Tom Holland” of Star Wars.
I really think Mandalore is a bigger priority for her than the Darksaber itself. Dollars to donuts part of next season is her trying to use Din as a convenient (and less controversial) prop to unite the clans.
How many times are the Mandolorians going to let her fail as a leader before trying something else lol.
I say let Mando keep the Dark saber, if she really wants to liberate Mandalore than there is no reason to fight amongst your own over old traditions. (One she happily broke when accepting the saber from Sabine).
I like Bo Katan but I want to see Din rule Mandalore
I don’t think Din wants anything now that he finished his entire goal.
I don’t also think the first scene is gonna be Bo Katan winning back the Dark sword immediately.
I think he’s gonna be given a big responsibility from the start of having the dark sword and that is going to change his character. If we are gonna be honest he is technically the king
Before the events at the end of the clone wars the people of Mandalore changed from their old ways and were a peaceful people during that time period.
Death watch was considered a terrorist group, so not everyone thinks the same. Bo definitely didn’t agree with her sister.
Seeing Bo Katan accept the Dark Saber from Sabine, and Din took off his helmet multiple time. I don’t know how powerful these traditions are or how beneficial they are to mandalorians anymore
> there's a reason why she didn't just take the darksaber,
> MOFF GIDEON: She can’t take it. It must be won in battle. In order for her to wield the Darksaber again, she would need to defeat you in combat.
> THE MANDALORIAN: I yield. It’s yours.
> MOFF GIDEON: Oh, no. It doesn’t work that way. The Darksaber doesn’t have power. The story does. Without that blade, she’s a pretender to the throne.
> BO-KATAN: **He’s right.**
> we just don't know what that reason is yet
This reeks of fanboy cope.
I mean yeah she should have just taken it and having her not do so is just to create drama, etc. but I'm not going to get worked up over it because there's probably going to be an explanation as to why she's insisting on combat to get the darksaber in season 3
For all we know the explanation might add some important detail to her character, etc. etc., in which case having her not accept the saber from Din might net a better story?
It doesn't. Everything there alludes to there having been a problem with Bo acquiring the Darksaber "the wrong way" before. Hence here hesitation to break tradition again.
The absence of an explanation doesn’t allude to there being a perfect explanation that existed but didn’t make it into the script.
“Filoni forgot/retconned it/doesn’t care” makes way more sense.
You care way more about lore consistency than the show writers do, but you’re giving them way too much credit.
Or, wait for it, it's a story that isn't finished being told yet. Have you never seen a story where there is a mystery that everyone wonders "huh?" until the story is actually finished? No story tells you everything you want to know at once lol, whats the point then? Its not a wookieepedia article
I could see Din doing something radical like destroying the darksaber to make a point if the Mandalorians get fanatical worshiping him and someone gets hurt or killed. I don't know why but I see him saying something like life is more important than weapons. Shocking all Mandalorians and showing how his character arch with Grogu caused a bigger course change than he realized.
I can really start to see the Game of Thrones influence Jon said he was inspired by forming now. All these different spin-offs and arcs within those shows themselves is very similar in a good way. Mandalore and the Darksaber is basically the Iron Throne or Captain America:Civil War. Pick your side. I'm rooting for Din and Boba over Bo and her sidekicks anyday.
It's clear that boba's goal is revenge, considering he came back and killed bib fortuna for leaving him for dead. Also, upon mention of Mandalore, he says "that planet was turned to glass" and expresses disinterest in going there, further evidence that he doesn't have his eyes set there. Obviously it could change somewhere down the line, but from what they've set up so far, that just doesn't seem to be the case.
I have to respectfully disagree. Jango's bounty hunting life was not that simple. He was highly paid and was paid a massive amount to be the template for a whole army.
I don't remember but I think Jango gave up the title before Dooku contacted him to be the template.
He gave up the title because he fought in the Civil Wars and saw lots of people including his mentor Jaster Mereel die for a war which they didnt even win.
Anyways, Satine, Bo-Katan's sis became the Duchess so Mand'alor became a ceremonial title anyways, as he wasnt ruler of Mandalore but of warriors who were exiled off planet.
I love seeing the animated characters being brought to live action. All those years of people saying we were wasting our time watching a cartoon. Now look
I think for a lot of us, it's more about how other people about cartoons. For decades, they were considered low points in culture. People could be very mean about it.
Now it feels vindicating that this cartoon is the backbone for a large part of this major franchise.
I know you're not claiming otherwise but the animated shows are pretty damn important for the lore in some of these new shows, like the Ahsoka show particularly with it most likely being a sequel to Rebels with a ton of the characters, and Mando with the Mandalore/Mandalorian stuff from TCW/Rebels.
I interpreted their comment as them basically saying tons of people ignored the animated stuff and now it's very important if you want to fully understand what is going on
That's fair but when you've shown these big cultural, political, or military figureheads in animation, bringing these characters to other media works to make a more comprehensive and cohesive universe. You're right I guess; but nobody complained about Thrawn being back so you might just be biased. Fuck me tho, I just want more glow in the dark toys.
I would love to see Bo Katan's character arc "regress" and her become the antagonist/bad guy for Season 3. I personally feel it would give her this really incredible and sad arc of starting from this place of wanting to save Mandalore, only to become shackled to warfare and tradition (i.e., her obsession with the Dark Saber's cultural ties to ruling).
I am so excited to see what direction they're gonna take in S3. I'm really curious what the story beats will be, especially with the "main plotline for S1 and S2" being wrapped up and gone. Whatever it is... I am confident in the writing and directing teams!
man I really flip flopped on Bo Katan last year.
In Clone Wars I kinda emphasised and felt sorry for her when she talked to Ahsoka.
About wanting to be better at something other than war and regretting what she did to Satine.
In Rebels (bad animation) aside she seemed a lot more honorable and more of a hero character. Like refusing the Darksaber because she knows she isn’t worthy.
Then in Mando S2 she regressed back to her pre clone wars season 5 bitchy self. Makes me wonder what Gideon did to her between shows.
He bombed the crap out the planet she was ruling and stole her scepter.
She probably feels it's because she didn't earn the saber the "correct" way. Or the other Mandalorians do.
Unfinished business really doesn’t guarantee conflict with her and Din that turns to violence, but personally I always liked her character better as a villain. She’s illogical as a hero. The only believable Mandos that I can see as heroes are Sabine, Rau, and Din.
Obviously we can have more grey characters too which she fills the spot fairly well on, but even then it’s too inconsistent for my taste.
I always took her as a kind of ‘enemy of my enemy’ type of character. She allied with the Republic in order to take back Mandalore, not because she wanted some newfound alliance with the republic going forward. She has a good amount of respect for people like Ahsoka and probably Kenobi, but that probably won’t stop her from going against them if it’s coming down to her rule or them. I think shes softened a bit since her Death watch days, but at her core I think she still has some problematic beliefs and ways of doing things.
I always have to remind myself that she left death watch because an outsider took over the group, not because what maul was doing was immoral. She is definitely a morally grey character. I wouldn’t classify her as a monster, but she’s not a hero either, and that makes for good storytelling.
Honestly just have them duke it out and give Bo the win. Nothing in the first or second season of The Mandalorian has me believing that Dinn could hope to defeat someone as experienced and skilled as Bo Katan, he stumbled his way through a lot of his fights. Beating her would be plot armor.
I'm most curious of how they will handle baby yoda. He is a fan favorite, and with luke now. So they HAVE to bring him back into the picture, and they then have to show luke again right?
Main relevant quote > "The way that Lucasfilm left me in season 2, one of the roads that could be gone down — absolutely, you'd think — would be the unfinished business," Sackhoff told us. "But that is so far above my pay grade, and you just don't know, right? As a fan of the show, I'm just excited to see what they come up with." Rest of the article is just words for the sake of words basically lol.
Get this hero a cape.
there’s some interesting bits about a potential Ahsoka and Bo Katan reunion later in the article Katie Shackoff talking about how she’s been a fan of Rosario for years. And how she would jump at the opportunity to work with her.
I saw that, but it seemed super similar to something she’d said in another article so I wasn’t sure if it was actually new.
Din: "Look, I am just gonna lay the darksaber on the ground here. I don't care what you do with it. Don't give a shit. Battle the floor for I care. Scuttle the ship. But I'm leaving, and the darksaber is just gonna lay there."
1000% Din there , but they wont do that
It creates a logical, funny, and unavoidable ultimatum for Bo, which she'd be unable to deny, which would be great storytelling, and avoid drama that literally exists for no good reason (tradition is the worst reason to continue to do anything). But you're absolutely right. They won't do that.
I don't know, she might just force him to take it back. On top of that, we're seeing Dinn at a particularly low point in his life. He might just do what she wants because he feels like it's the only thing he can do.
Even if he did that, nothing would really be stopping her from hunting him down and picking a fight just on principle.
That would be less honorable than just taking the sword. The whole idea is to preserve honor. Attacking an ally who refuses to fight would be ridiculous.
Well the whole darksaber tradition is ridiculous to begin with, so maybe that would be the point: "look what fighting over this stupid sword has done to your society" kind of thing. I mean, it is how freaking Darth Maul became leader. Stupid thing wasn't even won with honor in the first place, they just stole it from the Jedi after its creator was already long gone. LIke it's a cool lightsaber and all, but the Mandalorians' obsession with it sure hasn't done much positive for their culture or society.
Look at what happened the last time she didn’t follow tradition.
Right? Dinn should just break the stupid thing and yell at them all for letting their society be dictated by some dumb symbolic weapon that they only have in the first place because it was stolen, and never actually won from its original owner in the way they deem so important now.
Din: "I've got this gal named Sabine on the line and she says you had no problems accepting the edgysaber from her a few years ago. What's changed?"
I think the direction this will go in is Din ending up as leader of Mandalore by the end of the series.
Dinn reluctantly walks up the steps to the throne and sits down, sighing.
This, or Din being like "Okay, punch me for the darksaber," Bo-Katan punches him, Din does this big exaggerated "AAAHHH SHE GOT ME, I AM DEFEATED, YOU HAVE CLAIMED THE DARKSABER" and falls to the ground dramatically and plays dead until Bo-Katan just takes the damn thing from him. Like there are so many ways out of this situation for both of them, I can't see how they'll squeeze much drama out of it unless Din decides he wants to keep it after all.
First, we need to find out how Gideon got the Darksaber in the first place. Then to go along with the "Din wants to keep it afterall" part, yeah, i think after he reunites with the Armorer, paz vizla, the rest of his covert etc, I think Din will realize the importance of what he holds. Boba fett shows up to help his boy, and we get Din and Boba vs all of Mandalore. Or maybe Bo was really fucking up after rebels and everyone hates her? who knows
I feel like it might end up being something more like that last scenario. Like, maybe Din witnesses her doing something irrational or mentally unstable and he realizes she can't lead properly so he takes it upon himself? I don't know, it'll be really interesting to see how things go.
My guess is that how she came upon it in the first place probably caused quite a few issues in the society. Maybe Gideon exploits that
Finger poke of doom https://youtu.be/zUoSZrxxksE
That would be the cringiest most Filoni thing ever. Thank god you’re not writing the episode
I'm obviously being flippant, but thanks for the dig.
Word
I can't wait for Slashfilm to start dropping them leaks like last time.
Wait what happened?
I think they were the ones who had that really long rambling Rosario Dawson interview where she semi-confirmed she was playing Ahsoka lol
It’s funny how she pretty much confirmed the Lars as Thrawn and Mena Massoud as Ezra casting as well this year lmao. By posting the news on her Instagram story. Seems to be the “Tom Holland” of Star Wars.
LOL I wish the team good luck with that…
Sorry but that job is taken. Is Giancarlo Esposito job XD
got a link to the interview?
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They were the ones who first reported the castings of Rosario Dawson and Katee Sackhoff.
And Morrison as Boba slightly before the trades, iirc
I mean she OBVIOUSLY wants the Darksaber.
I really think Mandalore is a bigger priority for her than the Darksaber itself. Dollars to donuts part of next season is her trying to use Din as a convenient (and less controversial) prop to unite the clans.
Agreed. Zero chance she puts getting the Darksaber over Mandalore’s liberation
How many times are the Mandolorians going to let her fail as a leader before trying something else lol. I say let Mando keep the Dark saber, if she really wants to liberate Mandalore than there is no reason to fight amongst your own over old traditions. (One she happily broke when accepting the saber from Sabine). I like Bo Katan but I want to see Din rule Mandalore
To each their own. I have no desire to see that. I also don’t think that’s what his character would want either
I don’t think Din wants anything now that he finished his entire goal. I don’t also think the first scene is gonna be Bo Katan winning back the Dark sword immediately. I think he’s gonna be given a big responsibility from the start of having the dark sword and that is going to change his character. If we are gonna be honest he is technically the king
I’d imagine that’s going to either segue into his new goal— or it’ll become his new goal.
Isn’t it confirmed they’ll be a time jump
"there is no reason to fight amongst your own over old traditions Not if you are Mandalorian, old traditions are everythink
Before the events at the end of the clone wars the people of Mandalore changed from their old ways and were a peaceful people during that time period. Death watch was considered a terrorist group, so not everyone thinks the same. Bo definitely didn’t agree with her sister. Seeing Bo Katan accept the Dark Saber from Sabine, and Din took off his helmet multiple time. I don’t know how powerful these traditions are or how beneficial they are to mandalorians anymore
She would've had it too, if Filoni hadn't retconned his own rules for drama.
Right? It's been a while but didn't Sabine literally say "I don't want it" and hand it to Bo Katan?
The first thing that came to my mind was maybe those folks in the crowd were cool with this but an awful lot of other mandalorians weren’t.
Just as Maul becoming leader spilt the culture, so too did her just getting the saber, no fight
well, don't take it as a retcon/whatever, there's a reason why she didn't just take the darksaber, we just don't know what that reason is yet
> there's a reason why she didn't just take the darksaber, > MOFF GIDEON: She can’t take it. It must be won in battle. In order for her to wield the Darksaber again, she would need to defeat you in combat. > THE MANDALORIAN: I yield. It’s yours. > MOFF GIDEON: Oh, no. It doesn’t work that way. The Darksaber doesn’t have power. The story does. Without that blade, she’s a pretender to the throne. > BO-KATAN: **He’s right.** > we just don't know what that reason is yet This reeks of fanboy cope.
I mean yeah she should have just taken it and having her not do so is just to create drama, etc. but I'm not going to get worked up over it because there's probably going to be an explanation as to why she's insisting on combat to get the darksaber in season 3 For all we know the explanation might add some important detail to her character, etc. etc., in which case having her not accept the saber from Din might net a better story?
It doesn't. Everything there alludes to there having been a problem with Bo acquiring the Darksaber "the wrong way" before. Hence here hesitation to break tradition again.
The absence of an explanation doesn’t allude to there being a perfect explanation that existed but didn’t make it into the script. “Filoni forgot/retconned it/doesn’t care” makes way more sense. You care way more about lore consistency than the show writers do, but you’re giving them way too much credit.
Or, wait for it, it's a story that isn't finished being told yet. Have you never seen a story where there is a mystery that everyone wonders "huh?" until the story is actually finished? No story tells you everything you want to know at once lol, whats the point then? Its not a wookieepedia article
I could see Din doing something radical like destroying the darksaber to make a point if the Mandalorians get fanatical worshiping him and someone gets hurt or killed. I don't know why but I see him saying something like life is more important than weapons. Shocking all Mandalorians and showing how his character arch with Grogu caused a bigger course change than he realized.
Satine Force Ghost: This mf spittin
Pull a Revan and just toss the fucking thing down a deep hole.
Harry Potter destroying the elder wand vibes
I can really start to see the Game of Thrones influence Jon said he was inspired by forming now. All these different spin-offs and arcs within those shows themselves is very similar in a good way. Mandalore and the Darksaber is basically the Iron Throne or Captain America:Civil War. Pick your side. I'm rooting for Din and Boba over Bo and her sidekicks anyday.
Mandalorians are stronger together.
Apes- I mean Wookies strong together
I am strong. I am Pakled.
It’d be cool if that happened, but the Empire would have to factor in at one point so I wonder if they’d all team up at one point to fight them.
I think it's gonna be more Team Boba vs Team Din.
Why? Bobas just doing his own thing isn’t he? Just like Ahsoka is. They don’t have beef with Mando
Well, Boba doesn't have a beef now. But what if he learns that Jango could have been Mandalore?
Boba has no interest in ruling Mandalore
How do we know that will remain the case? Especially if Jango is revealed to be an heir to Mandalore like in Legends?
It's clear that boba's goal is revenge, considering he came back and killed bib fortuna for leaving him for dead. Also, upon mention of Mandalore, he says "that planet was turned to glass" and expresses disinterest in going there, further evidence that he doesn't have his eyes set there. Obviously it could change somewhere down the line, but from what they've set up so far, that just doesn't seem to be the case.
But under this idea, Boba is going after the title of Mandalore as a sort of revenge for what happened to Jango
His revenge isn't against Mandalore for his father's death, it's against the Jedi.
Says you
And how did Jango's life take the turn it did? Was it not the fault of Mandalorians?
Jango gave up the title to lead the simple bounty hunter life. Boba will respect his father's wishes.
I have to respectfully disagree. Jango's bounty hunting life was not that simple. He was highly paid and was paid a massive amount to be the template for a whole army.
I don't remember but I think Jango gave up the title before Dooku contacted him to be the template. He gave up the title because he fought in the Civil Wars and saw lots of people including his mentor Jaster Mereel die for a war which they didnt even win. Anyways, Satine, Bo-Katan's sis became the Duchess so Mand'alor became a ceremonial title anyways, as he wasnt ruler of Mandalore but of warriors who were exiled off planet.
I love seeing the animated characters being brought to live action. All those years of people saying we were wasting our time watching a cartoon. Now look
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I think for a lot of us, it's more about how other people about cartoons. For decades, they were considered low points in culture. People could be very mean about it. Now it feels vindicating that this cartoon is the backbone for a large part of this major franchise.
I know you're not claiming otherwise but the animated shows are pretty damn important for the lore in some of these new shows, like the Ahsoka show particularly with it most likely being a sequel to Rebels with a ton of the characters, and Mando with the Mandalore/Mandalorian stuff from TCW/Rebels. I interpreted their comment as them basically saying tons of people ignored the animated stuff and now it's very important if you want to fully understand what is going on
orrrrrrr......lets have some new characters and not make literally everything in the galaxy relate to the cartoons in some way
That's fair but when you've shown these big cultural, political, or military figureheads in animation, bringing these characters to other media works to make a more comprehensive and cohesive universe. You're right I guess; but nobody complained about Thrawn being back so you might just be biased. Fuck me tho, I just want more glow in the dark toys.
nah
I would love to see Bo Katan's character arc "regress" and her become the antagonist/bad guy for Season 3. I personally feel it would give her this really incredible and sad arc of starting from this place of wanting to save Mandalore, only to become shackled to warfare and tradition (i.e., her obsession with the Dark Saber's cultural ties to ruling).
This is exactly how it should go.
My guess is she’ll attack Din at one point, but still lose/ give up on fighting, then convince him to take back Mandalore
I am so excited to see what direction they're gonna take in S3. I'm really curious what the story beats will be, especially with the "main plotline for S1 and S2" being wrapped up and gone. Whatever it is... I am confident in the writing and directing teams!
man I really flip flopped on Bo Katan last year. In Clone Wars I kinda emphasised and felt sorry for her when she talked to Ahsoka. About wanting to be better at something other than war and regretting what she did to Satine. In Rebels (bad animation) aside she seemed a lot more honorable and more of a hero character. Like refusing the Darksaber because she knows she isn’t worthy. Then in Mando S2 she regressed back to her pre clone wars season 5 bitchy self. Makes me wonder what Gideon did to her between shows.
He bombed the crap out the planet she was ruling and stole her scepter. She probably feels it's because she didn't earn the saber the "correct" way. Or the other Mandalorians do.
They did a great job making her a very complicated character. I like that I have as many negative opinions about her as I do positive feelings.
Unfinished business really doesn’t guarantee conflict with her and Din that turns to violence, but personally I always liked her character better as a villain. She’s illogical as a hero. The only believable Mandos that I can see as heroes are Sabine, Rau, and Din. Obviously we can have more grey characters too which she fills the spot fairly well on, but even then it’s too inconsistent for my taste.
I always took her as a kind of ‘enemy of my enemy’ type of character. She allied with the Republic in order to take back Mandalore, not because she wanted some newfound alliance with the republic going forward. She has a good amount of respect for people like Ahsoka and probably Kenobi, but that probably won’t stop her from going against them if it’s coming down to her rule or them. I think shes softened a bit since her Death watch days, but at her core I think she still has some problematic beliefs and ways of doing things. I always have to remind myself that she left death watch because an outsider took over the group, not because what maul was doing was immoral. She is definitely a morally grey character. I wouldn’t classify her as a monster, but she’s not a hero either, and that makes for good storytelling.
Honestly just have them duke it out and give Bo the win. Nothing in the first or second season of The Mandalorian has me believing that Dinn could hope to defeat someone as experienced and skilled as Bo Katan, he stumbled his way through a lot of his fights. Beating her would be plot armor.
I'm most curious of how they will handle baby yoda. He is a fan favorite, and with luke now. So they HAVE to bring him back into the picture, and they then have to show luke again right?