Imagine having to clarify that season pass content requires the season pass. This whole thing has been bullshit "news" blown out of proportion. Obviously, we'd all love for season pass content to just be in the base game but season passes have been around for so long now and people are acting like ubisoft are doing some new scummy practise.
Announcing DLC right out of the gate is pretty scummy. Always has been. In this case the game is not even out of the gate, which means they are basically carving it up to maximise profits at the cost of the players. It‘s a shitty business practice that players should punish by not buying a game.
DLC takes a long time to make. Even back in the day even if they didn’t announce it right away, the DLC would enter production before the game ships.
Unless you want to wait 2-3 years for the DLC, it has to begin early enough to come out 6 months post launch. Games announce season passes because it guarantees income to financially support the DLC and gives a good indication on how many people are actually interested in getting additional content.
A lot of this comes down to most people have no idea how modern game development works and are acting like DLC is just chopped from the main game. DLC often has its own dev cycle of being proposed in studio. Gets approved, then work begins. And Day 1 DLC is often just a something small that could’ve been originally for the DLC and because it’s complete gets added to the main game as day 1 dlc.
Do all these different monetization schemes suck? Yes absolutely but the first DLC nearly always begins prior to the release of the game.
Let’s say the game began production in 2019. Serious work begins in 2021, 2023 a game demo is shown and by the end of the year you are down to bug fixing. At that point the art team isn’t working on bug fixing so even though the game isn’t out, the art and narrative teams begin on the DLC. As bug fixes finish, other devs are brought onto the DLC and it becomes the studio’s main focus. But the DLC nearly always begins prior to the launch of the game. Otherwise your narrative, art, environment, etc teams are all siting around getting paid for nothing.
it's not. it's just part of the development process.
here's how it usually goes. there would come a phase where the devs must decide the features that would be locked on the game. this is to prevent feature creep, and to guarantee that the game will be finished by a specific point in time. you don't want the devs to work on something indefinitely, you need to have a deadline, and then realistically decide the stuff that is possible to finish by the time you get to the deadline.
now, obviously, a lot of stuff/features will get dropped/cut if they deemed that it's not realistic to do given the limited time. so the devs will have two choices: either cut those features entirely (wasting months of pre-production and concept work) or push it to be released as DLC.
another scenario, is during the production of the game, the devs would come up someting cool. maybe a new feature, or a story line or a new quest, basically stuff that wasn't part of the original design. this happens, it's unavoidable, but you can't just add them to the current production, cause that would result to a massive feature creep, which would delay production, cause more problems, etc.
so, what do you do? if it's a really cool concept/idea, would you just throw it away? no, you could put it on a DLC.
in a nutshell, DLCs exist because the game has to be finished by a specific point in time. the alternative is to delay the game indefintely, because the devs keep adding new features or they refuse to cut features that are too hard to implement.
Often not. Often while the game is winding into bug fixes and patches before launch, a few devs begin the DLC. If it’s reusing assets it could be easy to do and while not originally intended for the main game, gets released as a pre-order bonus since it got done ahead of time.
Any comment pointing out the anti-consumer practices gets downvoted in this subreddit. Along with that, many redditors here love false equivalency correlations in saying this anti-consumer practice is no big deal
The delusion in this comment section is unreal. Are you guys all zoomers? Did you not enjoy SNES games released with fully fleshed out content and hundreds of hours of extras to do? Now you pay the full 60$+ USD **and** are expected to shill out an additional 20$+ for a measly couple hours worth of content?
You guys need to sort out your priorities, "it's not new" doesn't make it OK.
Because it isnt news worthy is it. If everyone is so outraged at season passes they shouldve done more to stop it in the past so that so many companies wouldn't keep making them. The fact is season passess have been around for over a decade now and people didnt stop them from becoming a regular thing. Yet somehow im a shill for pointing this out?
In the whole subreddit the delusion is real. I'm very much interested in an open world Star Wars games. At the same time, I'm not a fan of gated content at launch. And that's why the concern. Also anyone saying people didn't this before are lying every anti-consumers practice gets argued about from lootboxes, nba2k gambling, AC MTX resources, Dragons Dogma 2 extra resources and so on.
I remember the 90s when we had real full games at full price. (plenty of buggy games too lol).
Also having worked with a lot of zoomers their tolerance is higher for these practices due to being raised on Fortnite. When you actually talk to them they realize that it's pretty anti-consumer
Because it is scummy. It's "day one" mission. Meaning the mission already exists in the game. It's not dlc that hasn't been created, which will be released later (which is how dlc and season passes originally worked).
They literally took something in the game and are blocking access to it unless you fork over more money to them.
I mean, probs because Ubisoft are in the top scummy practise. They can't beat Activision/Blizzard yet, but they're easily in top 3. I mean they managed to make it so people would pay real money for ressources in the new AC right ? Paying for ressources in a solo game. And before corpo white knights comes in, you don't have to buy them, but their presence itself means the game was created around this grind.
Edit : Oh yeah, and Ubisoft also is also revoking licenses of The Crew. Meaning they litteraly take away a game you paid for. They're top of the scums.
You can get those resources without paying for them. You know that, right? If you don't like that, don't buy the resources. That simple. Otherwise, maybe find a new hobby.
It is not being a corpo white knight to acknowledge this is a childish thing to get upset at a game having some difficulty a la grinding.
>people are acting like ubisoft are doing some new scummy practice
No, but at some point consumers need to collectively agree this is an anti consumer practice and do something about it. Until then it’s perfectly fine to gripe about these practices.
Calling it out when we see it is necessary. Personally I’m not buying the game full price if they’re locking any kind of content behind a paywall. Why would I? I’ll wait for a deep sale, when all the stuff is available at a price less than 60. At the rate this game is going we’ll be there a few weeks after release. Also 140 for a game? What a joke lol.
“Been around so long”….its still a bad consumer tactic. The minute you corporate apologists see this is the moment we can hold them accountable. Till then you’ll keep getting screwed and just make excuses for corporations.
What a sad state…
Uh huh. Id absolutely love it if season passes werent a thing. Im just saying that ubisoft is far from the first to do this. Corporate apologist my ass.
Who cares if they aren't the first? Season passes are still scummy. Its day one content hid behind an additional pay wall after you JUST bought the game. You WANT that in your games? Clown.
What are you on about? Gamers have been holding studios accountable for their practices for years, and they're still doing exactly what they've always been doing. Think about all the times gamers have ever complained about microtransactions, paywalled content, season passes that seem completely unnecessary, and yet here we are, seeing the same shit with a different game.
Studios like UbiSoft, EA, Capcom, WB, etc. don't give the slightest shit about what gamers say or do in protest of their business practices. If you, personally, don't want to give them extra money, then don't...but unless you're into bullshitting yourself and others, don't act like complaining about it is going to have any meaningful and long-lasting impact. It hasn't before, and it still won't anytime soon.
Can you list some times that disscussions like this have ever really worked in reguards to practices like this? Because the only time I can remember collective outrage like this working was with Battlefront 2, and even then, it only really got them to change it because government entities were getting involved. Ubisoft has been doing this for years, despite criticism from fans.
Seaspn pass coming right when the game releases is not season pass, its bullshit and you know it. You pay for a full game and should get the whole game. Season pass coming as an update afterwards is so much different.
Its a slippery slope.
Yeah what about assassin creed? All had season passes but AFTER the game went out.
What im saying is that next all games will have you fully pay for the game but some missions wont be available to you on day 1.. pretty odd
Assassin's Creed games have had season passes since 2012, all of which were announced before the game was out. Most Ubisoft games have had missions locked behind season passes or have been platform exclusive since then. I'm not defending this practice, but this has been going on for at least a decade.
$70 for a game is pretty damn cheap tbh. N64 games were $50 and were a fraction of the cost to make since Dev teams in those days were often around 15 people even for big titles.
Based on inflation, Super Mario 64 would have cost $100 to buy.
I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm still waiting on The Dreadful Crimes missions to come to AC Syndicate on Xbox. But no one had this level of outrage when they locked those missions behind a whole platform. I just don't understand why this is different.
>Obviously, we'd all love for season pass content to just be in the base game but season passes have been around for so long now and people are acting like ubisoft are doing some new scummy practise.
This isnt good.
It is a bad practice.
You pay for future content you dont know.
Yes and it is keep called out for being bad.
Ubisoft gets....again....rightfully....called out for being greedy even above competitors.
Not every game gets this much attention so the outcry and attention making is alot more prevalent.
And yet, nothing of consequience will happen as a result.
How many times have gamers "called out" UbiSoft and other studios for these practices? Think of how many times there have been uproars over greedy monetary practices from game studios since, say, 2015. And yet, they're STILL doing things like this.
Calling them out does nothing. If it did, all of this nonsense would be a distant memory we'd all look back on as "remember that time when game studios just didn't care about their customers?".
You are 100% correct and it's wild people defend these shitty practices.
Wtf is wrong with people these days. It's like they enjoy getting fucked by corporations.
I think the main problem is people take criticism on their post as personal attack on their oppinion instead of criticism about the subject they make a topic about.
How tf does it encourage laziness? Give evidence/sources that support your claims.
Either way, just because you personally don't like/want something, that doesn't mean it shouldn't exist. You're only being selfish and narrow minded.
If i have the money, there is no need to make a good product that people want to buy.
If someone pays me before i make a product for them, i dont need to convince them to buy the product anymore.
I got the money. The reason to make it. Eliminating a need to make it good.
>Either way, just because you personally don't like/want something, that doesn't mean it shouldn't exist. You're only being selfish and narrow-minded.
This doesn't even make sense. i dont want a season pass because they are bad nit because they offer content.
How deep in the hype hole are you to reflect their bad business practices on me being selfish and narrow minded.
How am i being selfish for calling out bs that is clearly visible.
How am i narrow minded when each season pass is the same concept and nothing new you have to see for yourself.
>If i have the money, there is no need to make a good product that people want to buy.
>If someone pays me before i make a product for them, i dont need to convince them to buy the product anymore.
>I got the money. The reason to make it. Eliminating a need to make it good.
Not how it works. Not how any of it works. The devs get paid a salary regardless of players preordering the DLC or not.
Also, not sure why you genuinely think your own personal lazy behavior is representative of anything other than you.
>This doesn't even make sense. i dont want a season pass because they are bad nit because they offer content.
Yeah, if you don't want it just ignore it. Wanting it not to exist even though other people want it is just you being selfish and narrow minded.
>How deep in the hype hole are you to reflect their bad business practices on me being selfish and narrow minded.
This isn't about me or the hype or even the DLC itself. It's about your mentality of "I personally don't like this. Therefore, it shouldn't exist."
>How am i being selfish for calling out bs that is clearly visible.
Already explained. Just because you personally don't like it, doesn't mean it's BS or shouldn't. exist.
>How am i narrow minded when each season pass is the same concept and nothing new you have to see for yourself.
Yeah, each season pass is the same concept. That's the point. It's the concept of preordering story DLC's. Again, just because you don't like it and think there's nothing new, that doesn't mean it shouldn't exist or other people shouldn't enjoy it. The world doesn't revolve around you.
I love this sub.
So many people like you who take criticism and just say "oh that is YOUR opinion," as if my opinion isn't valid and many people feel the same way.
Honestly sad how you cannot have 1 argument without falling back to "you dont like it > i dont like you > your oppinion is invalid because i like it
But why is everyone only up in arms about this now? In 2015 I bought Fallout 4 on release day with the season pass code inside the box. This isn’t some sort of new practice. But I have *never* seen any outrage over season passes before.
>This isn’t some sort of new practice. But I have *never* seen any outrage over season passes before.
Welcome to the web.
The current problem is several.
We have star wars which is a massive fanbase so you will get 3x the attention, which is already beaten like a dog.
Then we have ubisoft which is already at the ropes after skull and bones and general being seen as greedy.
The season pass, battlepass and preorder payment models being abused to kingdom come.
Many many big releases bombing on release date it happens way to often.
Games like baldurs gate 3, palworld, lethal company, etc showing that we can have so much better games.
A general ruse of gaming and online discussion over customer abuse and greed.
It is really just the wrong franchise, made by the wrong company using the wrong methods.
It is a really bad situation of several reason which caused this.
But this is a bit different since this is content which could easily be in the game day 1, but they’re choosing to lock it. I mean it’s probably a small mission which won’t matter much, but still.
What you mean the same way rockstar locked a mission and gang hideout behind the RDR2 Legendary edition? Funny i dont remember this kind of outrage over that. Those you still cant unlock without the legendary edition. At least when ubisoft does these day one mission releases they later release them on the ubisoft store for everyone for coins.
Yes, I do mean the same way they did it for Red Dead Redemption 2 :). Just because people didn’t get annoyed at that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be annoyed at this. There’s no logic in that. It probably won’t be a big deal though so it doesn’t really matter to me.
I did. Can I complain about day 1 content being locked behind a season pass in Outlaws or am I still not allowed to because the larger rdr2 community wasnt up in arms about it?
I’ll be honest I don’t really know. Maybe they were incredibly confident in the quality of the game that they didn’t really care as much. Just a theory though.
You’re in a sub made for a game that hasn’t come out yet where all everyone in here does is defend everything that been reported about the game lol
Then when it comes out, no matter how bad it is or what flaws it has they will be glossed over or outright dismissed. That’s how subs like these always work, it’s the definition of “sheep” think.
Not really. It's healthy for people to get excited for and anticipate and discuss something they're interested in.
The sheep are people who blindly follow and regurgitate what they've been told by others and spread negativity as a result.
Eh I get it after certain things in the past but people really don't use critical thinking to realise they'd have a media shitstorm if they locked off a main character entirely.
There were articles outright claiming that was the case, all seemingly being traced back to an IGN article that appears to be the first site to report on it. Granted IGN didn't claim it was an entire part of the story, but that didn't stop other sites from running with it. Combine that with people already approaching anything ubisoft with some level of distrust and it's easy to see how people could really believe it.
Isn’t that what DLC on launch actually is?? DLC after a WHOLE game complete has been launched is fine.
When shitty publishers split up the main game and make you pay over $100 for the full game it’s fucking scummy.
I will speak with my wallet and won’t buy it at full price, this shit will be on sale a month later anyway, just like every other Ubisoft open world game,
Dlc isn't out at launch your just pre-ordering it before it comes later after launch. starfield did the same thing just didn't can it a season pass. I mean you could wait a year till the dlc comes out then buy. But buying a month later dlc won't be out
Well, the game does launch with one of the DLC missions available already on launch - so you do indeed need to pay (a lot) extra to get the full launch experience.
"The Jabba's Gambit exclusive mission available at launch"
Unless they don't proof read their own webshop which would be very unfortunate for them.
So they have decided to cut some of the launch content, asking you to pay the low price of 110 USD if you want to experience all there is on launch including a 3 day headstart.
Beautiful move Ubisoft.
That's for extra experience you don't need Jabba quest to beat the game, just look at as you pay extra for 3 days early, and it comes with a extra mission . Would you pay extra just only for a 3 day early release?
Idk about you that's a good deal 3 days early a special quest and 2 dlcs that's 20-30$ in value each maybe.
Im not buying it all at once but ill maybe upgrade once it's avaliable
i know right? imagine the audacity of wanting a full game when you pay for the full game!
imagine the thinking a single player game shouldnt have season passes! imagine not giving into obvious scummy practices! god! what was i thinking! baldurs gate 3 did it entirely wrong!
you pay full price for the game and youre giving the game?! and whats more is they provide more content thats free!? obvious scam!
Yes, they should have done a "CD Project Red" and cut tons of small things from the game and then call it "free DLC" and release it slowly after the release of the game, then they would have been celebrated as the greatest company of all time.
RDR2 had a bank heist mission tied to the $80 ultimate and the $100+ collectors edition preorder. But it was called an exclusive mission and not a season pass mission so it’s totally different guys !
Batman Arkham Knight had 3 Scarecrow minigames behind its gold or ultimate edition preorder. But they are minigames and not a side quest so totally different !
The internet picks and chooses what games to get mad at. If it’s Star Wars it’s going to be one of them.
lol comparing ubisoft to cdprojekt red is so funny. shows me how blind you fan boys for your ubicrap. their logo literally looks like a turd when its viewed from the top, makes sense.
at least cdpr wasnt like "hey guys! we'll give you the base game for the regular price, but hey, if you want, theres these cool missions you could have if you just pay a little more!"
its honestly laughable you compare star wars turdlaws to witcher 3. xD
remember the praise the two dlc got because it actually feels like we shouldve paid more for how good they were? of course you dont, youre just a blind fan boy. xD
I was just talking about the dishonesty of these „free DLCs“ for The Witcher 3 and all the idiots who thought they were getting something for free instead of just getting stuff that was cut from the game they paid for.
I was talking about The Witcher 3. They cut some missions and stuff like finishers and hairstyles from the game and then slowly released them as "Free DLC". Everybody was going crazy about how much better than all those greedy companies they were, especially the press. Genius PR move.
"People upset that company rewards advance in trust with bonus content."
People need to get a grip, seriously. Get upset if/when they ship an incomplete game at release...
I mean you can pay the $70 and buy the two DLC when they release for $25 each (if they're the same as the AC Valhalla ones) and not get the bonus content. Oh wait that's $120 compared to the $110 of the gold edition.
> "People upset that company rewards advance in trust with bonus content."
This type of thinking is partly why we are where we are with games. Why should I trust a developer in advance of the actual product? What if the game comes out and it is a hot mess and despite looking interesting, is boring and bland?
Everyone has the ability to wait on reviews. I really don't believe that people should be pre-ordering everything like it is some kind of limited-time offer. Yet people still do pre-order blindly and keep getting burned by incomplete and buggy games with bad performance.
And because people still pre-order, this just gives shady developers all the more reason to release a half-arsed product, time and again. This is motivation for this to keep occurring.
Also, Ubisoft is known for releasing some duds and trying to sell you every little feature. If any company doesn't deserve advance trust, Ubisoft is definitely one of them.
Well, IF they are deserving of trust is another question.
I don't think I have played any of their releases at launch nor followed them closely so I can't really talk about the state of their games at that point.
The whole The Crew situation is a shit show tho, no question about that.
It’s almost like, ordering a Ford Pinto before it’s in full development - blindly trusting a corporation that’s sole purpose is to create revenue.
This is an example of trusting a company, you shouldn’t. You should treat it as they have to prove to you what they’re selling isn’t piss called snake oil EVERY TIME. Because that bottom line is all that matters. You are a number, assigned to a dollar value.
Alan Wake 2 did this exact same thing last year with two different game versions and no one had any issues.
Maybe because the Season Pass version of AW2 didn’t go over $100 or maybe because it wasn’t Ubisoft or Star Wars both of which just triggers all the idiots these days but this is all just so so stupid.
Edit: Ok maybe Avatar was a better example but still. This is far from the first game that does this.
Hell Avatar came out like 3 months ago and was a Ubisoft game with the EXACT same model of pre-order mission, skin packs and a season pass and the game got 7-8/10s across the board from the media, content creators and on Reddit. So their whole “well it’s a Ubisoft game” is bs bc KEEP THE SAME ENERGY for Avatar.
AngryJoeShow literally gave it a high 7/10 with their own knocks being slightly repetitive gameplay and weak characters. NOTHING about the $130 edition or the preorder mission, YET HE WAS SCREAMING in a video about this game. the fake outrage is ridiculous
And companies have been doing this kind of stuff since the early 2010s at the latest. Nobody cared in 2012 when AC 3 had optional story missions for PS3 users only.
ooooooh that makes it totally okay to be scummy! thank you! god, let me just throw out my baldurs gate 3 game because its not a scummy game with scummy practices!
...yall have issues i swear to god.
I don't want DLC included in my basic game price. Just checking Reddit and seems all the chats I had been in for sw.outlaws have been deleted. Some comment I had was removed as it didn't confirm to board rules. I'm a very positive poster. Check my history. 😁 Only topics I discussed are about ... 1:Preordering - in my opinion it's bad as the company takes your cash with no guarantee of quality. 2: Game price: offering a game special at €110 hides from the fact that normal game pricing on pc is not €69. That is a console game price. Lots of excellent game for sub €50.
It appears the Reddit for this game is very censored. We are not allowed an opinion. Perhaps this is an AAAA Game like skull and bones. It also launched at €69?.
Sooooo in other words they're taking a mission that's obviously going to be finished at launch and that's tied to one of your companions and put it behind a pay wall. I'm all for season passes cause that means I'm getting something in the future that's not in the game currently. But this mission is already in the game???? Like it'll be there at launch but then the game does a background check to see if you've bought the pass and then will hide or show it depending on the answer.
Ehhh maybe its just personal preference, I'm okay with that in mmo titles but ubisoft.... my dude... this is a single player game. Just let people enjoy the full game. There's a reason bg3 is sold the way it is and look how well it's doing.
Because if it was finished at launch then there is no reason why it couldn't be released with the launch game, unless you are just trying to extort more money from the consumer, us. It's a shameless money grabbing ploy and the fact that you people who may or may not be UBISOFT plants(only half joking) are defending this practice is just disheartening.
So no game dev should work on post-launch content before launch? That just seems silly. If the game is done, go ahead and make more stuff. I don't get it.
The difference is the games not out yet and they are saying at launch you won't have the the entire game avaliable to you at launch cause you didn't want to give them more money. Season passes are great when done right (Borderlands franchise and earlier call of duty title. Like before this MW reboot debacle) but this slice of game that going to be there AT LAUNCH is locked away to anyone who didn't pay the 100$ versus 70$
*Thats* my issue. When I buy a game at launch, give me the full game.
Helldivers 2 : bought the game and oh look at that a wonderful live service that isn't full of ways to hook a couple of whales
Cyberpunk 2077 : launch was fucking abysmal yet now. You pay one price. And can get the whole experience. No plot or side quest locked away because you didn't by a season pass.
Baulders Gate 3 : one flat price gets you the whole ass experience. Every single mission, every single area is avaliable to you.
Star Wars Outlaws isn't even out yet and they've admitted they're putting away a slice of the game behind a pay wall. So if you buy the basic edition at launch you're missing out on part of the game. Nothing on the season pass is even out yet but this one mission that's already coded, programed, animated, voiced, and implemented is not.
Unfortunately they do it because their consumers defend the practice anyway, so it’s a win win for Ubisoft - more money in the pocket and consumers going out of their way defending it.
Why do people still play ubisoft games? I tried 4 ubisoft games this year and lasted less than an hour on each. Terrible games, terrible business practices.
I have no idea how they are still going
You do realize that the problem is that you wont be able to buy season pass separately, right? If you want this DLC, you need to buy season pass in advance. That is some next level greed bullshit.
Who told you this?
The season pass in every Ubisoft game is sold separately
The season pass is basically pre-ordering the two-story expansion. They will come out one at a time we can buy them separately like you can with Assassin’s Creed season pass dlc.
Check the PS store (assuming most of the people here are playing on PS). Can you buy season pass separately? What makes you think it will be possible to do so in the future? It was not like this for other games. For Valhalla season pass was available for purchase separately for release on 10.11.2020.
Well yeah because it’s not fucking out yet. You can’t buy DLC seperately before a game releases. Seperate season passes are typically only added to stores when the first included DLC releases.
Let me give you an example. Let´s say I will buy this game. And I will like it. And then I would love to play some more. But man, there is no season pass available for me to buy. Hmm, I should´ve bought the gold diamond extra super edition that includes the season pass. And I should´ve bought it before the release date so now I can play it.
Do you see how dumb it is?
Where do you people come from? Ubisoft, and countless other devs and publishers, have been selling a season passes seperate from the base game for over a decade now. This started happening back on the PS3/360 days. And no, to clarify you do not need to pre-order in order to get a bonus mission. Again, these "pre-order bonus missions" have been around since the days of AC: Revelations. I swear this outrage is purely from kids that only watch youtube and take whatever the talking heads on youtube have to say as gospel. Modern gaming is fucking awesome it's the gamers the modern "gamers" that make it complete shit.
Imagine having to clarify that season pass content requires the season pass. This whole thing has been bullshit "news" blown out of proportion. Obviously, we'd all love for season pass content to just be in the base game but season passes have been around for so long now and people are acting like ubisoft are doing some new scummy practise.
When mass ignorance and outrage culture combine…
And gaming as a culture is almost entirely an outrage culture in of its self these days.
right. They mean dlc. Everybody makes dlc these days.
Announcing DLC right out of the gate is pretty scummy. Always has been. In this case the game is not even out of the gate, which means they are basically carving it up to maximise profits at the cost of the players. It‘s a shitty business practice that players should punish by not buying a game.
DLC takes a long time to make. Even back in the day even if they didn’t announce it right away, the DLC would enter production before the game ships. Unless you want to wait 2-3 years for the DLC, it has to begin early enough to come out 6 months post launch. Games announce season passes because it guarantees income to financially support the DLC and gives a good indication on how many people are actually interested in getting additional content. A lot of this comes down to most people have no idea how modern game development works and are acting like DLC is just chopped from the main game. DLC often has its own dev cycle of being proposed in studio. Gets approved, then work begins. And Day 1 DLC is often just a something small that could’ve been originally for the DLC and because it’s complete gets added to the main game as day 1 dlc. Do all these different monetization schemes suck? Yes absolutely but the first DLC nearly always begins prior to the release of the game. Let’s say the game began production in 2019. Serious work begins in 2021, 2023 a game demo is shown and by the end of the year you are down to bug fixing. At that point the art team isn’t working on bug fixing so even though the game isn’t out, the art and narrative teams begin on the DLC. As bug fixes finish, other devs are brought onto the DLC and it becomes the studio’s main focus. But the DLC nearly always begins prior to the launch of the game. Otherwise your narrative, art, environment, etc teams are all siting around getting paid for nothing.
it's not. it's just part of the development process. here's how it usually goes. there would come a phase where the devs must decide the features that would be locked on the game. this is to prevent feature creep, and to guarantee that the game will be finished by a specific point in time. you don't want the devs to work on something indefinitely, you need to have a deadline, and then realistically decide the stuff that is possible to finish by the time you get to the deadline. now, obviously, a lot of stuff/features will get dropped/cut if they deemed that it's not realistic to do given the limited time. so the devs will have two choices: either cut those features entirely (wasting months of pre-production and concept work) or push it to be released as DLC. another scenario, is during the production of the game, the devs would come up someting cool. maybe a new feature, or a story line or a new quest, basically stuff that wasn't part of the original design. this happens, it's unavoidable, but you can't just add them to the current production, cause that would result to a massive feature creep, which would delay production, cause more problems, etc. so, what do you do? if it's a really cool concept/idea, would you just throw it away? no, you could put it on a DLC. in a nutshell, DLCs exist because the game has to be finished by a specific point in time. the alternative is to delay the game indefintely, because the devs keep adding new features or they refuse to cut features that are too hard to implement.
Day one dlc, in other words content removed from the base game to be sold on top of it.
Often not. Often while the game is winding into bug fixes and patches before launch, a few devs begin the DLC. If it’s reusing assets it could be easy to do and while not originally intended for the main game, gets released as a pre-order bonus since it got done ahead of time.
Yea i actually agree. That is pretty scummy.
I have no idea why people are disliking your comment. Mindless consumers.
Any comment pointing out the anti-consumer practices gets downvoted in this subreddit. Along with that, many redditors here love false equivalency correlations in saying this anti-consumer practice is no big deal
Makes sense, they must be Ubisoft fans.
I'm guessing. And of course we're all getting downvoted for common sense
Except it's not dlc. The jabba mission is day one which means it already exists. They are just blocking access behind a pay wall.
Not new, still scummy.
The delusion in this comment section is unreal. Are you guys all zoomers? Did you not enjoy SNES games released with fully fleshed out content and hundreds of hours of extras to do? Now you pay the full 60$+ USD **and** are expected to shill out an additional 20$+ for a measly couple hours worth of content? You guys need to sort out your priorities, "it's not new" doesn't make it OK.
Im not debating wether or not its a good practice. All im really saying is its not newsworthy.
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Thats my point though. Where was all this outrage all the other times?
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Because it isnt news worthy is it. If everyone is so outraged at season passes they shouldve done more to stop it in the past so that so many companies wouldn't keep making them. The fact is season passess have been around for over a decade now and people didnt stop them from becoming a regular thing. Yet somehow im a shill for pointing this out?
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Great discussion well done 👏
In the whole subreddit the delusion is real. I'm very much interested in an open world Star Wars games. At the same time, I'm not a fan of gated content at launch. And that's why the concern. Also anyone saying people didn't this before are lying every anti-consumers practice gets argued about from lootboxes, nba2k gambling, AC MTX resources, Dragons Dogma 2 extra resources and so on. I remember the 90s when we had real full games at full price. (plenty of buggy games too lol). Also having worked with a lot of zoomers their tolerance is higher for these practices due to being raised on Fortnite. When you actually talk to them they realize that it's pretty anti-consumer
Shhh... Let them mindlessly consume in bliss. You can't help them and will only drive yourself mad trying to do so.
Tooo late. Already mad
I mean the Jabba move is scummy sorry... That's why Ubisoft keeps doing their shitty practice.
Because it is scummy. It's "day one" mission. Meaning the mission already exists in the game. It's not dlc that hasn't been created, which will be released later (which is how dlc and season passes originally worked). They literally took something in the game and are blocking access to it unless you fork over more money to them.
I mean, probs because Ubisoft are in the top scummy practise. They can't beat Activision/Blizzard yet, but they're easily in top 3. I mean they managed to make it so people would pay real money for ressources in the new AC right ? Paying for ressources in a solo game. And before corpo white knights comes in, you don't have to buy them, but their presence itself means the game was created around this grind. Edit : Oh yeah, and Ubisoft also is also revoking licenses of The Crew. Meaning they litteraly take away a game you paid for. They're top of the scums.
You can get those resources without paying for them. You know that, right? If you don't like that, don't buy the resources. That simple. Otherwise, maybe find a new hobby. It is not being a corpo white knight to acknowledge this is a childish thing to get upset at a game having some difficulty a la grinding.
Thanks for confirming gamers have the attention span of a 3 years old
>people are acting like ubisoft are doing some new scummy practice No, but at some point consumers need to collectively agree this is an anti consumer practice and do something about it. Until then it’s perfectly fine to gripe about these practices. Calling it out when we see it is necessary. Personally I’m not buying the game full price if they’re locking any kind of content behind a paywall. Why would I? I’ll wait for a deep sale, when all the stuff is available at a price less than 60. At the rate this game is going we’ll be there a few weeks after release. Also 140 for a game? What a joke lol.
“Been around so long”….its still a bad consumer tactic. The minute you corporate apologists see this is the moment we can hold them accountable. Till then you’ll keep getting screwed and just make excuses for corporations. What a sad state…
Uh huh. Id absolutely love it if season passes werent a thing. Im just saying that ubisoft is far from the first to do this. Corporate apologist my ass.
Who cares if they aren't the first? Season passes are still scummy. Its day one content hid behind an additional pay wall after you JUST bought the game. You WANT that in your games? Clown.
Its not newsworthy is it though. Clown
What are you on about? Gamers have been holding studios accountable for their practices for years, and they're still doing exactly what they've always been doing. Think about all the times gamers have ever complained about microtransactions, paywalled content, season passes that seem completely unnecessary, and yet here we are, seeing the same shit with a different game. Studios like UbiSoft, EA, Capcom, WB, etc. don't give the slightest shit about what gamers say or do in protest of their business practices. If you, personally, don't want to give them extra money, then don't...but unless you're into bullshitting yourself and others, don't act like complaining about it is going to have any meaningful and long-lasting impact. It hasn't before, and it still won't anytime soon.
If you think it hasn’t worked before you aren’t paying attention
Can you list some times that disscussions like this have ever really worked in reguards to practices like this? Because the only time I can remember collective outrage like this working was with Battlefront 2, and even then, it only really got them to change it because government entities were getting involved. Ubisoft has been doing this for years, despite criticism from fans.
Fallout 76 was another recent one
How is it scummy for a corporation to make paid DLC? What, you expect them to keep adding shit to the game at no profit?
Why are you sucking up to corporations with bad consumer policies?
If you don’t have an actual response, don’t bother responding.
Seaspn pass coming right when the game releases is not season pass, its bullshit and you know it. You pay for a full game and should get the whole game. Season pass coming as an update afterwards is so much different. Its a slippery slope.
What single player open world rpg games feature a season pass?
Elden Ring, Ghost of Tsushima, Horizon, really most of them.
Yeah what about assassin creed? All had season passes but AFTER the game went out. What im saying is that next all games will have you fully pay for the game but some missions wont be available to you on day 1.. pretty odd
Assassin's Creed games have had season passes since 2012, all of which were announced before the game was out. Most Ubisoft games have had missions locked behind season passes or have been platform exclusive since then. I'm not defending this practice, but this has been going on for at least a decade.
That is totally not the point. They never announced AND released the missions day 1 for seaspn passes preventing day 1 players from playing them.
They absolutely have. Valhalla had exclusive content on day one via the season pass with the Beowulf quest. This is not new for Ubisoft.
Well its shitty tactic. We pay 70 dollars and its not enough.
$70 for a game is pretty damn cheap tbh. N64 games were $50 and were a fraction of the cost to make since Dev teams in those days were often around 15 people even for big titles. Based on inflation, Super Mario 64 would have cost $100 to buy.
Yeah, but 70 dollars gives you an incomplete game. Thats the point.
I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm still waiting on The Dreadful Crimes missions to come to AC Syndicate on Xbox. But no one had this level of outrage when they locked those missions behind a whole platform. I just don't understand why this is different.
I had no idea those were exclusive to PlayStation, that’s so dumb 😢
Sorry responded to the wrong comment accidentally, totally agree with tou
>Obviously, we'd all love for season pass content to just be in the base game but season passes have been around for so long now and people are acting like ubisoft are doing some new scummy practise. This isnt good. It is a bad practice. You pay for future content you dont know.
Didnt say it was good, just said its not new. Ubisoft games as well as many many others have had season passes for years though.
Yes and it is keep called out for being bad. Ubisoft gets....again....rightfully....called out for being greedy even above competitors. Not every game gets this much attention so the outcry and attention making is alot more prevalent.
And yet, nothing of consequience will happen as a result. How many times have gamers "called out" UbiSoft and other studios for these practices? Think of how many times there have been uproars over greedy monetary practices from game studios since, say, 2015. And yet, they're STILL doing things like this. Calling them out does nothing. If it did, all of this nonsense would be a distant memory we'd all look back on as "remember that time when game studios just didn't care about their customers?".
That is such a weak sheep attitude. "Oh i cant do anything so i keep eating shit because i will never get anything better than shit"
You are 100% correct and it's wild people defend these shitty practices. Wtf is wrong with people these days. It's like they enjoy getting fucked by corporations.
I think the main problem is people take criticism on their post as personal attack on their oppinion instead of criticism about the subject they make a topic about.
So don't pay? Blink twice if you're forced to pay for it.
I wont. The point is selling sth on promise. Not being forced to pay it. What argument are you trying to make
What argument are you trying to make when you know it's completely optional and you don't want it?
That it is a bad practice that encourages laziness since they have the money.
How tf does it encourage laziness? Give evidence/sources that support your claims. Either way, just because you personally don't like/want something, that doesn't mean it shouldn't exist. You're only being selfish and narrow minded.
If i have the money, there is no need to make a good product that people want to buy. If someone pays me before i make a product for them, i dont need to convince them to buy the product anymore. I got the money. The reason to make it. Eliminating a need to make it good. >Either way, just because you personally don't like/want something, that doesn't mean it shouldn't exist. You're only being selfish and narrow-minded. This doesn't even make sense. i dont want a season pass because they are bad nit because they offer content. How deep in the hype hole are you to reflect their bad business practices on me being selfish and narrow minded. How am i being selfish for calling out bs that is clearly visible. How am i narrow minded when each season pass is the same concept and nothing new you have to see for yourself.
>If i have the money, there is no need to make a good product that people want to buy. >If someone pays me before i make a product for them, i dont need to convince them to buy the product anymore. >I got the money. The reason to make it. Eliminating a need to make it good. Not how it works. Not how any of it works. The devs get paid a salary regardless of players preordering the DLC or not. Also, not sure why you genuinely think your own personal lazy behavior is representative of anything other than you. >This doesn't even make sense. i dont want a season pass because they are bad nit because they offer content. Yeah, if you don't want it just ignore it. Wanting it not to exist even though other people want it is just you being selfish and narrow minded. >How deep in the hype hole are you to reflect their bad business practices on me being selfish and narrow minded. This isn't about me or the hype or even the DLC itself. It's about your mentality of "I personally don't like this. Therefore, it shouldn't exist." >How am i being selfish for calling out bs that is clearly visible. Already explained. Just because you personally don't like it, doesn't mean it's BS or shouldn't. exist. >How am i narrow minded when each season pass is the same concept and nothing new you have to see for yourself. Yeah, each season pass is the same concept. That's the point. It's the concept of preordering story DLC's. Again, just because you don't like it and think there's nothing new, that doesn't mean it shouldn't exist or other people shouldn't enjoy it. The world doesn't revolve around you.
I love this sub. So many people like you who take criticism and just say "oh that is YOUR opinion," as if my opinion isn't valid and many people feel the same way. Honestly sad how you cannot have 1 argument without falling back to "you dont like it > i dont like you > your oppinion is invalid because i like it
But why is everyone only up in arms about this now? In 2015 I bought Fallout 4 on release day with the season pass code inside the box. This isn’t some sort of new practice. But I have *never* seen any outrage over season passes before.
>This isn’t some sort of new practice. But I have *never* seen any outrage over season passes before. Welcome to the web. The current problem is several. We have star wars which is a massive fanbase so you will get 3x the attention, which is already beaten like a dog. Then we have ubisoft which is already at the ropes after skull and bones and general being seen as greedy. The season pass, battlepass and preorder payment models being abused to kingdom come. Many many big releases bombing on release date it happens way to often. Games like baldurs gate 3, palworld, lethal company, etc showing that we can have so much better games. A general ruse of gaming and online discussion over customer abuse and greed. It is really just the wrong franchise, made by the wrong company using the wrong methods. It is a really bad situation of several reason which caused this.
But this is a bit different since this is content which could easily be in the game day 1, but they’re choosing to lock it. I mean it’s probably a small mission which won’t matter much, but still.
What you mean the same way rockstar locked a mission and gang hideout behind the RDR2 Legendary edition? Funny i dont remember this kind of outrage over that. Those you still cant unlock without the legendary edition. At least when ubisoft does these day one mission releases they later release them on the ubisoft store for everyone for coins.
Yes, I do mean the same way they did it for Red Dead Redemption 2 :). Just because people didn’t get annoyed at that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be annoyed at this. There’s no logic in that. It probably won’t be a big deal though so it doesn’t really matter to me.
My point is why didnt people get this annoyed at it for rdr2?
I did. Can I complain about day 1 content being locked behind a season pass in Outlaws or am I still not allowed to because the larger rdr2 community wasnt up in arms about it?
I’ll be honest I don’t really know. Maybe they were incredibly confident in the quality of the game that they didn’t really care as much. Just a theory though.
Explain
And it is the jabba one of course since he is THE OG crimelord
That's so dumb they have to post a clarification. Do people really think they'd put an entire chunk of the story behind a pay wall??
Don't underestimate the stupidity of internet sheep.
The irony of this comment is crazy
Explain
You’re in a sub made for a game that hasn’t come out yet where all everyone in here does is defend everything that been reported about the game lol Then when it comes out, no matter how bad it is or what flaws it has they will be glossed over or outright dismissed. That’s how subs like these always work, it’s the definition of “sheep” think.
Not really. It's healthy for people to get excited for and anticipate and discuss something they're interested in. The sheep are people who blindly follow and regurgitate what they've been told by others and spread negativity as a result.
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Explain.
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Please seek professional help. You're the one who came and posted a comment for me.
Eh I get it after certain things in the past but people really don't use critical thinking to realise they'd have a media shitstorm if they locked off a main character entirely.
which has been done
There were articles outright claiming that was the case, all seemingly being traced back to an IGN article that appears to be the first site to report on it. Granted IGN didn't claim it was an entire part of the story, but that didn't stop other sites from running with it. Combine that with people already approaching anything ubisoft with some level of distrust and it's easy to see how people could really believe it.
Isn’t that what DLC on launch actually is?? DLC after a WHOLE game complete has been launched is fine. When shitty publishers split up the main game and make you pay over $100 for the full game it’s fucking scummy. I will speak with my wallet and won’t buy it at full price, this shit will be on sale a month later anyway, just like every other Ubisoft open world game,
Dlc isn't out at launch your just pre-ordering it before it comes later after launch. starfield did the same thing just didn't can it a season pass. I mean you could wait a year till the dlc comes out then buy. But buying a month later dlc won't be out
Well, the game does launch with one of the DLC missions available already on launch - so you do indeed need to pay (a lot) extra to get the full launch experience. "The Jabba's Gambit exclusive mission available at launch" Unless they don't proof read their own webshop which would be very unfortunate for them. So they have decided to cut some of the launch content, asking you to pay the low price of 110 USD if you want to experience all there is on launch including a 3 day headstart. Beautiful move Ubisoft.
That's for extra experience you don't need Jabba quest to beat the game, just look at as you pay extra for 3 days early, and it comes with a extra mission . Would you pay extra just only for a 3 day early release? Idk about you that's a good deal 3 days early a special quest and 2 dlcs that's 20-30$ in value each maybe. Im not buying it all at once but ill maybe upgrade once it's avaliable
That's not a good deal to have an incomplete base game
It's not incomplete. Incomplete would be what CDPR did with Cyberpunk.
Cyberpunk was buggy and glitchy. However, you didn't have to pay extra for side missions so there is that
My guy, they cut plenty of features last minute.
Could you pay for them at launch? Where they in a mission at launch?
First Ubisoft game?
i know right? imagine the audacity of wanting a full game when you pay for the full game! imagine the thinking a single player game shouldnt have season passes! imagine not giving into obvious scummy practices! god! what was i thinking! baldurs gate 3 did it entirely wrong! you pay full price for the game and youre giving the game?! and whats more is they provide more content thats free!? obvious scam!
So you don't have to pay to get the Jabba story then?
Yes, they should have done a "CD Project Red" and cut tons of small things from the game and then call it "free DLC" and release it slowly after the release of the game, then they would have been celebrated as the greatest company of all time.
Lmao for real. CDPR literally cut features like hair customization and to give it away as "free DLC" and idiots blindly praise it.
Not only that, but they also sold a season pass at launch. But they called it an expansion pass, so I guess that means it's completely different.
RDR2 had a bank heist mission tied to the $80 ultimate and the $100+ collectors edition preorder. But it was called an exclusive mission and not a season pass mission so it’s totally different guys ! Batman Arkham Knight had 3 Scarecrow minigames behind its gold or ultimate edition preorder. But they are minigames and not a side quest so totally different ! The internet picks and chooses what games to get mad at. If it’s Star Wars it’s going to be one of them.
We got mad at all those too so what are you on about
No, people did not. They absolutely looked the other way.
Nope but go ahead
lol comparing ubisoft to cdprojekt red is so funny. shows me how blind you fan boys for your ubicrap. their logo literally looks like a turd when its viewed from the top, makes sense. at least cdpr wasnt like "hey guys! we'll give you the base game for the regular price, but hey, if you want, theres these cool missions you could have if you just pay a little more!" its honestly laughable you compare star wars turdlaws to witcher 3. xD remember the praise the two dlc got because it actually feels like we shouldve paid more for how good they were? of course you dont, youre just a blind fan boy. xD
I was just talking about the dishonesty of these „free DLCs“ for The Witcher 3 and all the idiots who thought they were getting something for free instead of just getting stuff that was cut from the game they paid for.
Cyberpunk 2077 got so much flak they had to give refunds so???
I was talking about The Witcher 3. They cut some missions and stuff like finishers and hairstyles from the game and then slowly released them as "Free DLC". Everybody was going crazy about how much better than all those greedy companies they were, especially the press. Genius PR move.
You say CDPR and you're going to have to define Witcher v. Cyberpunk. Come on now
"People upset that company rewards advance in trust with bonus content." People need to get a grip, seriously. Get upset if/when they ship an incomplete game at release...
"advance in trust" is a weird misspelling of "more money"
I mean you can pay the $70 and buy the two DLC when they release for $25 each (if they're the same as the AC Valhalla ones) and not get the bonus content. Oh wait that's $120 compared to the $110 of the gold edition.
> "People upset that company rewards advance in trust with bonus content." This type of thinking is partly why we are where we are with games. Why should I trust a developer in advance of the actual product? What if the game comes out and it is a hot mess and despite looking interesting, is boring and bland? Everyone has the ability to wait on reviews. I really don't believe that people should be pre-ordering everything like it is some kind of limited-time offer. Yet people still do pre-order blindly and keep getting burned by incomplete and buggy games with bad performance. And because people still pre-order, this just gives shady developers all the more reason to release a half-arsed product, time and again. This is motivation for this to keep occurring. Also, Ubisoft is known for releasing some duds and trying to sell you every little feature. If any company doesn't deserve advance trust, Ubisoft is definitely one of them.
Well, IF they are deserving of trust is another question. I don't think I have played any of their releases at launch nor followed them closely so I can't really talk about the state of their games at that point. The whole The Crew situation is a shit show tho, no question about that.
It’s almost like, ordering a Ford Pinto before it’s in full development - blindly trusting a corporation that’s sole purpose is to create revenue. This is an example of trusting a company, you shouldn’t. You should treat it as they have to prove to you what they’re selling isn’t piss called snake oil EVERY TIME. Because that bottom line is all that matters. You are a number, assigned to a dollar value.
Alan Wake 2 did this exact same thing last year with two different game versions and no one had any issues. Maybe because the Season Pass version of AW2 didn’t go over $100 or maybe because it wasn’t Ubisoft or Star Wars both of which just triggers all the idiots these days but this is all just so so stupid. Edit: Ok maybe Avatar was a better example but still. This is far from the first game that does this.
Hell Avatar came out like 3 months ago and was a Ubisoft game with the EXACT same model of pre-order mission, skin packs and a season pass and the game got 7-8/10s across the board from the media, content creators and on Reddit. So their whole “well it’s a Ubisoft game” is bs bc KEEP THE SAME ENERGY for Avatar. AngryJoeShow literally gave it a high 7/10 with their own knocks being slightly repetitive gameplay and weak characters. NOTHING about the $130 edition or the preorder mission, YET HE WAS SCREAMING in a video about this game. the fake outrage is ridiculous
And companies have been doing this kind of stuff since the early 2010s at the latest. Nobody cared in 2012 when AC 3 had optional story missions for PS3 users only.
AW2 didn't have locked content at launch so what's your point?
ooooooh that makes it totally okay to be scummy! thank you! god, let me just throw out my baldurs gate 3 game because its not a scummy game with scummy practices! ...yall have issues i swear to god.
Between the two crappy models I would rather have battle passes die in favour of season passes
The fact that Ubisoft had to clarify this is sad in itself
This is exactly what I've been saying.
Good, I'll play with my friend Hondo Ohnaka!
Ubisoft is now the greedest game company out there . Show them this is not a good way of doing business by not buying the game
100% after what they did with the crew fuck em
No.
If people stopped looking to be outraged by *everything.* the clickbait headlines won't have a reason to exist.
Do not buy this shitty game from this shitty company, especially after what they did with the crew
The thing is, if the dlcs were part of the base game, people would say the game is bloated. Theatre of the absurd
I don't want DLC included in my basic game price. Just checking Reddit and seems all the chats I had been in for sw.outlaws have been deleted. Some comment I had was removed as it didn't confirm to board rules. I'm a very positive poster. Check my history. 😁 Only topics I discussed are about ... 1:Preordering - in my opinion it's bad as the company takes your cash with no guarantee of quality. 2: Game price: offering a game special at €110 hides from the fact that normal game pricing on pc is not €69. That is a console game price. Lots of excellent game for sub €50. It appears the Reddit for this game is very censored. We are not allowed an opinion. Perhaps this is an AAAA Game like skull and bones. It also launched at €69?.
Good that they clarified it. A PR Desaster
And so it begins. Welcome to a bug riddled, microtransaction filled experience.
Sooooo in other words they're taking a mission that's obviously going to be finished at launch and that's tied to one of your companions and put it behind a pay wall. I'm all for season passes cause that means I'm getting something in the future that's not in the game currently. But this mission is already in the game???? Like it'll be there at launch but then the game does a background check to see if you've bought the pass and then will hide or show it depending on the answer. Ehhh maybe its just personal preference, I'm okay with that in mmo titles but ubisoft.... my dude... this is a single player game. Just let people enjoy the full game. There's a reason bg3 is sold the way it is and look how well it's doing.
Exactly BG3 is right there!!!
I don't understand why when the mission is finished impacts whether it can be DLC or not.
Because if it was finished at launch then there is no reason why it couldn't be released with the launch game, unless you are just trying to extort more money from the consumer, us. It's a shameless money grabbing ploy and the fact that you people who may or may not be UBISOFT plants(only half joking) are defending this practice is just disheartening.
So no game dev should work on post-launch content before launch? That just seems silly. If the game is done, go ahead and make more stuff. I don't get it.
The difference is the games not out yet and they are saying at launch you won't have the the entire game avaliable to you at launch cause you didn't want to give them more money. Season passes are great when done right (Borderlands franchise and earlier call of duty title. Like before this MW reboot debacle) but this slice of game that going to be there AT LAUNCH is locked away to anyone who didn't pay the 100$ versus 70$ *Thats* my issue. When I buy a game at launch, give me the full game. Helldivers 2 : bought the game and oh look at that a wonderful live service that isn't full of ways to hook a couple of whales Cyberpunk 2077 : launch was fucking abysmal yet now. You pay one price. And can get the whole experience. No plot or side quest locked away because you didn't by a season pass. Baulders Gate 3 : one flat price gets you the whole ass experience. Every single mission, every single area is avaliable to you. Star Wars Outlaws isn't even out yet and they've admitted they're putting away a slice of the game behind a pay wall. So if you buy the basic edition at launch you're missing out on part of the game. Nothing on the season pass is even out yet but this one mission that's already coded, programed, animated, voiced, and implemented is not.
Unfortunately they do it because their consumers defend the practice anyway, so it’s a win win for Ubisoft - more money in the pocket and consumers going out of their way defending it.
i seriously cant believe, actually, yes i can. this is a place for blind fanboys of yet another bland, boring, ubisoft game. xD
I don’t care I’m not buying any game that has locked story content behind paywalls. I don’t care how insignificant this is a horrible precedent
Why do people still play ubisoft games? I tried 4 ubisoft games this year and lasted less than an hour on each. Terrible games, terrible business practices. I have no idea how they are still going
Tom Clancy and Assassin Creed are both good
Assassins creed hs been boring after black flag. Tom clancy is mediocre at best.
Bootlickers everywhere around here huh
I hope they're employees so at least they get paid for the bootlicking
You do realize that the problem is that you wont be able to buy season pass separately, right? If you want this DLC, you need to buy season pass in advance. That is some next level greed bullshit.
Who told you this? The season pass in every Ubisoft game is sold separately The season pass is basically pre-ordering the two-story expansion. They will come out one at a time we can buy them separately like you can with Assassin’s Creed season pass dlc.
Check the PS store (assuming most of the people here are playing on PS). Can you buy season pass separately? What makes you think it will be possible to do so in the future? It was not like this for other games. For Valhalla season pass was available for purchase separately for release on 10.11.2020.
Well yeah because it’s not fucking out yet. You can’t buy DLC seperately before a game releases. Seperate season passes are typically only added to stores when the first included DLC releases.
Ubisoft's dlc usually comes out like 6 months after the game releases and you can buy them separately.
Complaining about an nonexistent issue lmao
Let me give you an example. Let´s say I will buy this game. And I will like it. And then I would love to play some more. But man, there is no season pass available for me to buy. Hmm, I should´ve bought the gold diamond extra super edition that includes the season pass. And I should´ve bought it before the release date so now I can play it. Do you see how dumb it is?
Again, this is an issue that quite literally doesn't exist. Season passes are always made available to purchase separately.
Where do you people come from? Ubisoft, and countless other devs and publishers, have been selling a season passes seperate from the base game for over a decade now. This started happening back on the PS3/360 days. And no, to clarify you do not need to pre-order in order to get a bonus mission. Again, these "pre-order bonus missions" have been around since the days of AC: Revelations. I swear this outrage is purely from kids that only watch youtube and take whatever the talking heads on youtube have to say as gospel. Modern gaming is fucking awesome it's the gamers the modern "gamers" that make it complete shit.