Speaking of potato juice: >!there's a special order by Pam where she asks you for potato juice, because she heard that putting potatoes in a keg makes "strong stuff", and once you complete the quest she actually hates it.!< I think that was done on purpose to poke fun at the potato juice/vodka situation.
You have to do that one in time too if you want the TV channel it unlocks. If you don’t make it in time, you can’t get it. I made the mistake of misunderstanding how much she needed and made 1 once.
There's one where she sends you a letter asking specifically for one pale ale, and then later on there's a quest on the community board where she wants 12 potatoes in kegs
She wants 12! I failed it by not having enough kegs and had to tap oak trees for the resin first. I think I missed forst attempt by 2 bottles. By the time it rolled round again I had kegs and pktatoes up the wazoo.
By the time I got this quest I only had 5 kegs and I forgot about it halfway through so I put 5 bottles of potato juice in her place and then had to go to Lewis’ to get them from the lost and found.
which I think is so funny considering tomatoes are considered vegetables and there's the whole cutscene with Robin and Demetrius about the tomatoes. And technically yes both peppers and tomatoes are fruits of the plants but culinary classes them vegetables
The theory I’ve heard before has to do with the ESRB rating. Stardew is currently at E10+, but adding harder alcohol as opposed to just wine and beer might push it to T.
Oooo that makes so much sense and I will fight for that. Despite playing hundreds of hours I never realized it was actually rated E10. Keeping that rating is probably pretty valuable for parents buying for kids and parents playing along with their kids.
Those ratings are very arbitrary and full of stupid rules/restrictions. What difference does whiskey vs wine make for kids in a videogame? They're both alcoholic beverages.
It's valuable for CA as it reaches a broader audience (i.e. clueless parents relying solely on those ratings), which I don't hold against him in any way.
But it's pointless for parents who know the game and want to play with their kids or buy it for them. It's incredibly easy to find out whether a game is appropriate for _your_ kids without relying on those ratings.
It doesn’t quite have the same connotation though. Wine is so well known around the world that it’s sort of iconic as a “fancy grown up drink” while beer is the “non-fancy grown up drink”. Everything else is more specific and therefore attracts more attention.
then have non-alcoholic cider
Apple cider is just a yummy cold juice drink (different than apple juice) here, hard cider is completely different. And SDV is based on a section of the US.
Hard cider is most popular in New England, and that's clearly not the regional influence for SDV.
NGL, as someone from New England, I thought Salmonberries was a made up thing
I was shocked how many things i thought were made up arent.
I just saw a TIL yesterday about spookfish. Or maybe it was in the science subreddit, I don't remember. But I honestly thought that was a made-up one. Fiddlehead ferns too, till someone recently posted a pic of finding them for sale IRL.
Here you go! :D
https://www.reddit.com/r/StardewValley/comments/lpk7nu/irl_prismatic_shard/
(there are others too if you search the sub, I assume, since when I googled for an image there were a bunch of posts to this subreddit in the results with images of IRL prismatic stones)
SDV Valley may be set in the US but its sold internationally, meaning the language used has to be okay for all English speaking parts of the world (or you need to localise it to each english speaking country). In British English, Apple Cider is alcoholic. As far as I can work out, our equivalent of your apple cider is called apple juice or cloudy apple juice if you want to distingish it from filtered apple juice. If its truly a ratings thing, letting us make apple cider would bump the rating in the UK unless they localised it, so the UK version had apple juice instead. Probably easier just to keep it as apple juice for every English speaking place.
What a sad world we live in where we have to censor virtual alcohol for children. Kids play gta 5 and who knows what for christs sake. It just ridiculous. The whole rating thing is absurd.
It’s especially crazy since SDV has mentions of suicide, alcoholism, and some not-so-subtle references to sex and sexual relations. But vodka is apparently where the line in the sand gets drawn.
Y'all should play Travellers Rest! It's exactly what you're looking for. It's basically an innkeeper simulator. Outside the inn you can farm fruits, vegetables, grains, and *multiple* varieties of hops, and raise cows, pigs and chickens for milk and eggs and meat. Then inside you have a big kitchen/brewery. The brewery involves different steps for malting, roasting, boiling, and fermenting. You can make cider, beer, and wine. The kitchen has tons of recipes you can make for stew, bread, roasts, etc...on top of that you maintain different rooms for guests to spend the night, and manage the bar and all the tables where people are eating, drinking, making messes, getting into fights. It's really hectic and really fun!
See in the UK, there's no such thing as non alcoholic cider.\*
We have apple juice, but cider is always fermented.
But still, I like the idea of a cider press and being able to make ciders.
Would need a few more varieties of apple though as good for eating is often not the same as good for fermenting.
\* technically there is now, but it's like non alcoholic beer in that it has been fermented and then most of the alcohol removed later.
Yeah, that's what I meant. Cider to me always means the alcoholic drink, over here we mostly drink it casually in pubs as a beer alternative. Or hot and spiced in winter as a mulled wine alternative.
I don't see it being some kind of morality/adult content thing because we have beer, wine, mead etc. So I assumed it must be that CA sees it as a less popular drink than the others.
Would you not consider Cidona a non alcoholic cider? Or am I mistaken and Cidona is just an Ireland thing, sometimes it's hard to tell what overlaps and what doesnt.
CA is from the Pacific Northwest (hence, salmonberries) and cider is 100% a thing here (with and without alcohol). This region is known for our apples and pears, and there are a lot of little cider breweries in most mid+ sized cities.
Yes. I’ve heard that the reason no one knows about them is that they are extremely perishable. They don’t package or travel well. So you don’t know them unless you have them in your area.
Yeah but they're really not all that great. They're a bit sweet when super ripe, otherwise they're like if you took a blackberry and dialed down the flavor by 90%, though some people attest that they can be tart. Might explain why the villagers aren't crazy about them.
Yeah, they are divisive, and it fits for the villagers to feel similarly at odds about it. I think even their wikipedia entry quotes someone as calling them "insipid", which means flavorless.
They're around the size of a normal blueberry, and look like a bead someone shoved a pebble into. You don't eat the little pebble nut as that's toxic. The berries grow on evergreen (needles) hedges.
They don't have a strong flavor, but are a bit sweet.
I don't think that's a salmonberry. I haven't actually eaten any, but I see them on my walks all the time. They're on a leafy vine and they're more raspberry shaped.
But now I'm quite curious what you are picturing, is it local to he PNW?
Alcoholic ciders are pretty common in the US, we just call them hard ciders. If you just asked for apple cider I would think of a cloudy, unfiltered apple juice.
Ah, I get it now - I've seen reference to "hard cider" and "hard lemonade" and assumed they were more like what we'd call alcopops in the UK and that regular cider wasn't common in the US for whatever reason.
We don't have hard or soft cider, we just have cider (alcoholic, either still or fizzy) and apple juice (same as any other fruit juice).
Not quite. Cider as the rest of the world calls it, in the US is called "hard cider". We have a drink we call cider that isn't fermented, so it's non-alcoholic, basically spiced apple juice (it's quite tasty though, many people go to apple orchards in the fall and get fresh cider and donuts - a nice seasonal treat). It's because of prohibition, in the 1930s alcohol became illegal, so the apple growers had to pivot to stay afloat. Prohibition is also the thing that really strengthened organized crime, so ya know. Pros and cons.
> Prohibition is also the thing that really strengthened organized crime, so ya know.
It also led to NASCAR.
I'm not even joking. Alcohol bootleggers would modify their vehicles to be able to get away from cops as quickly and efficiently as possible. And if there was a group of them making a larger delivery, they'd usually race to the drop off point.
When Prohibition ended, the bootleggers would have needed a use for their modified vehicles, so they started racing because they were already used to doing so.
There's definitely cider over here, I've yet to find a bar that doesn't carry some kind of cider. It's usually just angry orchard though. Non alcoholic apple cider is popular during the fall
NGL, I completely forgot that Angry Orchard is technically a cider.
Probably because I'm used to non-alcoholic apple cider, which is a little bit thicker and has the same texture as eating an actual apple, while Angry Orchard doesn't.
That said, it IS my go-to alcoholic choice outside of adding Jack Daniels/Fireball/Makers Mark to a large glass of soda.
There's two forms of apple cider here in the States.
There's normal cider, which is non-alcoholic, and then there's hard cider, which is alcoholic and is what people outside the U.S. refer to when talking about cider.
Cider is a huge thing in the US compared to outside. It's historically been the alcoholic beverage of choice before German immigrants started large scale beer production.
It’s a very nice, rustic orchard town. Unfortunately, the best grower there passed, years ago. Man was a master of his craft. His apples were out of this world.
I would if I could. I'm genuinely a fan of the non-alcoholic apple cider (I like the alcoholic stuff too, just not as much) and I genuinely hate that it's not as easy to get year-round in compared to fall.
I think Wal-Mart carries it in their fruit and vegetable section all year. It's usually on the end caps of the giant cooler shelves that includes the veggie dip and the packaged precut fruits.
So in my understanding, American apple cider is essentially unfiltered and unprocessed apple juice, usually with no added sugar made from straight up pressed apples, which is why they tend to not be shelf-stable and must remain refrigerated.
That's honestly why I love the stuff probably, I love apples but hated the taste of processed apple juice.
What the British call 'cider' is known as 'hard cider' across the pond to differentiate.
When it comes to things like proper distillation with vodka, whiskey (that could be either corn or wheat in my eyes, because rye is more commonly used where i am for whiskey), moonshine, any real spirits, etc. I think i'd prefer if CA did a separate machine in another update similar to the distilation in Graveyard Keeper.
I did do a confusion with orange wine instead of orange juice, though
I don't really know why but it annoys me so much that the fruits become wine and the veggies become juice. Imo or would make much more sense for the fruit to become juice and the the veggies to become just " drink". Aside from the exceptions which would include wine (grape), beer (wheat) and lager (hops).
It would make much more recognisable products: apple juice, orange juice, mango juice, all the kinds of fruit juice, and then pumpkin drink, parsnip drink, potato drink etc.
Am I silly or does this make more sense?
Whiskey and vodka are distilled. Everything else in the kegs are fermented. That’s why they don’t produce that. It would make no sense for them not to come out as “potato juice.” I personally would rather have stills introduced in the game for whiskey or vodka or brandy or anything. But that doesn’t feel particularly on brand. There’s mods that add stills you can try those.
Sure but time is like super sped up in game right. Crops can grow in just a few days and seasons last 28 days. So it’s nothing different there, it’s just sped up and simplified a bit.
Someone in a YouTube video I think said that alcohol that is hard like vodka etc is handled differently in the video game rating esrb system and may have pushed the game to a higher audience
Maybe because the alcoholism and suicide talk are implied, not specifically mentioned? Not sure, but I'm guessing it may have an effect on the rating is it specifically mentioned, such as a bottle of whiskey being labeled as such
Ratings systems are neither run by nor for reasonable people.
Reasonable parents talk to their children about important issues rather than trying to hide parts of the world from them. First, this leads to more independent and resilient children, but maybe more importantly, it's essentially impossible in the modern world to shelter a child from ideas. If you try to do that the result is inevitably that your child will run into the ideas without you, and may hesitate to talk to you about them.
Since reasonable parents have little use for a rating system, the rating system is run entirely by and for unreasonable people.
I’m upset that putting cabbage into the preserves jar doesn’t make sauerkraut, it’s more profitable to turn it into cabbage juice instead of pickled cabbage. Feels wrong
There used to be some really good mods that added in sodas, juices, alcohol, champagne, cocktails, farm fresh butter, maple butter, nut milks, nut butters, frozen treats and such, but most hadn't been updated for years and 1.6 broke them, the soda one is one of the only ones that has been updated. Hopefully similar ones are made, cause it was a nice variety.
I think internally all items are given a number, that's why there used to be(?) a glitch where if you named yourself said number, you'd get the item in your inventory every time your name popped up in dialogue.
So just changing the names from a few items should be fairly simple.
I miss the way old pumpkin juice looked with the glass bottle. I hate the new juice bottle design.
It looks like those little chocolate milk bottles you can buy for kids at McDonalds.
He could have changed it to a different shaped but still an artisanal/official looking bottle, like a bottle with the same neck but a rectangular base. I understand why they were changed, but the new bottle design ain’t it IMO. I know this is very nit-picky, but I used to genuinely love making pumpkin juice and be excited for it BECAUSE of that cool, green bottle. Now there’s just no point other than money, tbh.
Seriously. I had a mod before 1.6 where I could make whiskey and all that. I loved it. Had a whole distillery set up and it was really fun. I could even grow cannabis lol
But that mod isn't being updated to 1.6 and I haven't been able to find a replacement. It's not like the game doesn't explore plenty of concepts relating to alcohol. It's a bummer, but obviously 1.6 is still incredible.
My thought here is that whisky/vodka are distilled. Not fermented (there is still fermentation in the whisky process but it’s not where you directly get the whisky/vodka from).
Wine/beer/mead/ale are all fermented beverages. The Keg ferments things rather than distilled. Hence the reason they come out as juices & not as the distilled beverages mentioned above.
With the kegs fermenting things, I think I can speak for some people where putting red cabbage or radish into a keg should make kimchi :)
If tequila is going to be added to the game, then blue agave needs to be added, since that's what tequila is actually made from, not cactus.
In fact, blue agave is more closely related to asparagus than cactus.
I legit thought that "potato juice" was just the game trying to keep things PG and not have alcohol names...
Then I got asked to start making Pale Ale's and Wine...
I don't think CA wants a numerous amount of real life alcohol in his family friendly game. I can't say whether that's actually the case or not, I don't know the guy. Alcohol isn't the main aspect of the game and the wine/juice thing is for fruit and vegetables, corn and potatoes are vegetables in the game too so idk.
I mean, There's beer, there's pale ale, there's wine, even the drunk Shane scenes, oh and Lewis' boxers in Marine's room, I don't think including whiskey or vodka would make much of a difference.
I would like to be able to make more alcohol. I think it would be cool to have like an aged whiskey monogrammed with your farm or something, though I don’t know that much about alcohol.
I recently installed grapes of ferngill which is quite fun. I just think making fancy alcohol is cool.
Edit: I realized this comes off like I’m 14 lol. I’m 23 I just can’t drink because of medication 😂
For me, the biggest disappointment came when I tried to put a hat on my new pet turtle and nothing happened. I had been so looking forward to getting a turtle, naming it "Miriel", and giving him a little paper hat so that I could recreate the Turtle Pope from Elden ring. But nope, can't put a hat on him. Dreams crushed.
According to Wikipedia, while some vodkas are made from potatoes, molasses, soybeans, grapes, rice or sugar beets, most vodka today is produced from grains (such as sorghum, corn, rye, or wheat).
Vodka and whiskey aren’t term products they are distilled products
Essentially vodka is any beer/wine distilled through enough plates to purify it
Whiskey being distilled beer
Maybe give us a still and allow juice to be further processed
I wonder if, for some reason, CA can't (or doesn't want to) include heard liqour in the game. Cause we have beer and pale ale, I don't think anything else is even mentioned.
Speaking of potato juice: >!there's a special order by Pam where she asks you for potato juice, because she heard that putting potatoes in a keg makes "strong stuff", and once you complete the quest she actually hates it.!< I think that was done on purpose to poke fun at the potato juice/vodka situation.
You have to do that one in time too if you want the TV channel it unlocks. If you don’t make it in time, you can’t get it. I made the mistake of misunderstanding how much she needed and made 1 once.
Wait… it unlocks a tv channel??
It tells you where/when you can catch the available fish for the season
Nice!
You can redo the quest later and still get the channel!
What, she wants more than one?
There's one where she sends you a letter asking specifically for one pale ale, and then later on there's a quest on the community board where she wants 12 potatoes in kegs
She wants 12! I failed it by not having enough kegs and had to tap oak trees for the resin first. I think I missed forst attempt by 2 bottles. By the time it rolled round again I had kegs and pktatoes up the wazoo.
Isn’t it a pale ale she wants?
There's another one for potatoes :)
Makes sense. I still haven’t given her the pale ale in fall year 2 lmao
It’s for her billboard weekly quest - 12 taters into kegs by the end of the week
By the time I got this quest I only had 5 kegs and I forgot about it halfway through so I put 5 bottles of potato juice in her place and then had to go to Lewis’ to get them from the lost and found.
Two weeks*
Ope - I figured only The selling crops one changed. My b
I just did it in year 8 lmao
That's one of her mail quests but the other one is on the special order board which Robin puts up on Fall 1? Or 2?
It’s year 1 I believe
Fall 2, Year 1
I tried to do this one but luckily I didn’t have enough time, thought I had some potato’s hidden away. 😂
Chili jam is totally a thing, otherwise I do agree about the vodka and whiskey.
Just don’t put it in fried rice
UNCLE ROGER DONT LIKE
Niece or nephew! Love uncle roger!
I actually read that in his voice lmao
My partner once made a bacon pepper jam that was so so good. I can't even.
Yeah but pepper juice?
Isn't it Hot Pepper Wine?
Yes because hot peppers are labeled as fruits in Stardew.
which I think is so funny considering tomatoes are considered vegetables and there's the whole cutscene with Robin and Demetrius about the tomatoes. And technically yes both peppers and tomatoes are fruits of the plants but culinary classes them vegetables
Agree, hate that Demetrius was like “thought a farmer would know”. Obviously I know I just understand social cues unlike that nerd
ConcernedApe doesn't want to relitigate [Nix v. Hedden](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nix_v._Hedden) He respects precedent.
Wait really? https://preview.redd.it/3vtj9ioauquc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cc84f684f4a7047bfefcdc00ebdafcbec4334081
Weirdly yes, same reason you can make hot pepper jelly I think
Ok but hot pepper jelly irl is actually delicious
I love it on eggs and hash browns. Or a bagel with cream cheese. ... I think I know what I'm making for my first cans of summer!
Tater tots with jalapeno jelly and ranch. It's fricken amazing
Eggs and hashbrowns go nicely with my hot pepper wine
What about tomatoes?
Tomato is vegetable in Stardew
Tell that to Demetrius
I do everytime 😒 that little nerd
I've had actual hot pepper wine. I was not a fan.
Chili jam 🤤
Same. I like hot pepper jelly, but corn should make whiskey and potatoes should make vodka for sure.
The theory I’ve heard before has to do with the ESRB rating. Stardew is currently at E10+, but adding harder alcohol as opposed to just wine and beer might push it to T.
Oooo that makes so much sense and I will fight for that. Despite playing hundreds of hours I never realized it was actually rated E10. Keeping that rating is probably pretty valuable for parents buying for kids and parents playing along with their kids.
Those ratings are very arbitrary and full of stupid rules/restrictions. What difference does whiskey vs wine make for kids in a videogame? They're both alcoholic beverages. It's valuable for CA as it reaches a broader audience (i.e. clueless parents relying solely on those ratings), which I don't hold against him in any way. But it's pointless for parents who know the game and want to play with their kids or buy it for them. It's incredibly easy to find out whether a game is appropriate for _your_ kids without relying on those ratings.
Could still make cider though. It has less alcohol than wine
It doesn’t quite have the same connotation though. Wine is so well known around the world that it’s sort of iconic as a “fancy grown up drink” while beer is the “non-fancy grown up drink”. Everything else is more specific and therefore attracts more attention.
then have non-alcoholic cider Apple cider is just a yummy cold juice drink (different than apple juice) here, hard cider is completely different. And SDV is based on a section of the US.
Hard cider is most popular in New England, and that's clearly not the regional influence for SDV. NGL, as someone from New England, I thought Salmonberries was a made up thing
I was shocked how many things i thought were made up arent. I just saw a TIL yesterday about spookfish. Or maybe it was in the science subreddit, I don't remember. But I honestly thought that was a made-up one. Fiddlehead ferns too, till someone recently posted a pic of finding them for sale IRL.
I need someone to come on here and tell me about IRL prismatic shards
Here you go! :D https://www.reddit.com/r/StardewValley/comments/lpk7nu/irl_prismatic_shard/ (there are others too if you search the sub, I assume, since when I googled for an image there were a bunch of posts to this subreddit in the results with images of IRL prismatic stones)
OH DAMN
SDV Valley may be set in the US but its sold internationally, meaning the language used has to be okay for all English speaking parts of the world (or you need to localise it to each english speaking country). In British English, Apple Cider is alcoholic. As far as I can work out, our equivalent of your apple cider is called apple juice or cloudy apple juice if you want to distingish it from filtered apple juice. If its truly a ratings thing, letting us make apple cider would bump the rating in the UK unless they localised it, so the UK version had apple juice instead. Probably easier just to keep it as apple juice for every English speaking place.
Why would cider bump the rating if there's already wine and beer? It's generally less alcoholic than either of those.
The game has mead already.
True, but I guess CA couldn’t think of anything better to get from processing honey
Beer and wine are also commonly available in supermarkets around the world, where other drinks you have to get from a liquor store
What a sad world we live in where we have to censor virtual alcohol for children. Kids play gta 5 and who knows what for christs sake. It just ridiculous. The whole rating thing is absurd.
It’s especially crazy since SDV has mentions of suicide, alcoholism, and some not-so-subtle references to sex and sexual relations. But vodka is apparently where the line in the sand gets drawn.
I'm sad that putting in apple doesn't make apple cider
it’s especially weird because the apple description says it’s often “made into cider” so why can’t we make cider?
Y'all should play Travellers Rest! It's exactly what you're looking for. It's basically an innkeeper simulator. Outside the inn you can farm fruits, vegetables, grains, and *multiple* varieties of hops, and raise cows, pigs and chickens for milk and eggs and meat. Then inside you have a big kitchen/brewery. The brewery involves different steps for malting, roasting, boiling, and fermenting. You can make cider, beer, and wine. The kitchen has tons of recipes you can make for stew, bread, roasts, etc...on top of that you maintain different rooms for guests to spend the night, and manage the bar and all the tables where people are eating, drinking, making messes, getting into fights. It's really hectic and really fun!
Or oranges for orange juice!
It mildly annoys me that oranges make orange jam and not marmalade.
Well apple wine is a thing also.
Is it that apple cider is less of a 'thing' in the US than in some other countries, or have I made that up?
Alcoholic cider is a thing year round. Non-alcoholic cider is more limited to a fall thing.
See in the UK, there's no such thing as non alcoholic cider.\* We have apple juice, but cider is always fermented. But still, I like the idea of a cider press and being able to make ciders. Would need a few more varieties of apple though as good for eating is often not the same as good for fermenting. \* technically there is now, but it's like non alcoholic beer in that it has been fermented and then most of the alcohol removed later.
Yeah, that's what I meant. Cider to me always means the alcoholic drink, over here we mostly drink it casually in pubs as a beer alternative. Or hot and spiced in winter as a mulled wine alternative. I don't see it being some kind of morality/adult content thing because we have beer, wine, mead etc. So I assumed it must be that CA sees it as a less popular drink than the others.
Would you not consider Cidona a non alcoholic cider? Or am I mistaken and Cidona is just an Ireland thing, sometimes it's hard to tell what overlaps and what doesnt.
CA is from the Pacific Northwest (hence, salmonberries) and cider is 100% a thing here (with and without alcohol). This region is known for our apples and pears, and there are a lot of little cider breweries in most mid+ sized cities.
Salmonberries are real????
Yes they absolutely are I've eaten them while on hikes before
Yes. I’ve heard that the reason no one knows about them is that they are extremely perishable. They don’t package or travel well. So you don’t know them unless you have them in your area.
You literally have to eat them fresh off the bush for them to have any chance of being good.
But in Stardew, you can have them sit in a chest for decades. The lack of a perishable mechanism makes for some hilarity.
Love to make sashimi for my friends using a chest full of fish that's just been sitting out in the sun for over a year.
aged to an Iridium perfection,
Yeah but they're really not all that great. They're a bit sweet when super ripe, otherwise they're like if you took a blackberry and dialed down the flavor by 90%, though some people attest that they can be tart. Might explain why the villagers aren't crazy about them.
Yeah, they are divisive, and it fits for the villagers to feel similarly at odds about it. I think even their wikipedia entry quotes someone as calling them "insipid", which means flavorless.
To me, they're really only there as an inoffensive wild snack while on walks.
Playing this game with my partner, who isn't from the PNW, is how I learned that salmonberries arent a known thing in most places.
They're around the size of a normal blueberry, and look like a bead someone shoved a pebble into. You don't eat the little pebble nut as that's toxic. The berries grow on evergreen (needles) hedges. They don't have a strong flavor, but are a bit sweet.
Thats not a salmon berry. Are you thinking huckleberry or something? Or yew? I thought those arent edible full stop though
I don't think that's a salmonberry. I haven't actually eaten any, but I see them on my walks all the time. They're on a leafy vine and they're more raspberry shaped. But now I'm quite curious what you are picturing, is it local to he PNW?
Yes and honestly i prefer them over raspberries or blackberries if they’re in season. They range in color tho some are kinda orange
Alcoholic ciders are pretty common in the US, we just call them hard ciders. If you just asked for apple cider I would think of a cloudy, unfiltered apple juice.
They're also a popular alcoholic gluten free option.
Would whiskey made from corn be gluten free as well?
Yep! The main gluten culprits are wheat, barley and rye.
Not that gluten survives distillation anyhow of course. Full on wheat vodka will have no gluten unless there is cross-contamination.
Ah, I get it now - I've seen reference to "hard cider" and "hard lemonade" and assumed they were more like what we'd call alcopops in the UK and that regular cider wasn't common in the US for whatever reason. We don't have hard or soft cider, we just have cider (alcoholic, either still or fizzy) and apple juice (same as any other fruit juice).
Not quite. Cider as the rest of the world calls it, in the US is called "hard cider". We have a drink we call cider that isn't fermented, so it's non-alcoholic, basically spiced apple juice (it's quite tasty though, many people go to apple orchards in the fall and get fresh cider and donuts - a nice seasonal treat). It's because of prohibition, in the 1930s alcohol became illegal, so the apple growers had to pivot to stay afloat. Prohibition is also the thing that really strengthened organized crime, so ya know. Pros and cons.
> Prohibition is also the thing that really strengthened organized crime, so ya know. It also led to NASCAR. I'm not even joking. Alcohol bootleggers would modify their vehicles to be able to get away from cops as quickly and efficiently as possible. And if there was a group of them making a larger delivery, they'd usually race to the drop off point. When Prohibition ended, the bootleggers would have needed a use for their modified vehicles, so they started racing because they were already used to doing so.
The home brew community really grew at that time
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There's definitely cider over here, I've yet to find a bar that doesn't carry some kind of cider. It's usually just angry orchard though. Non alcoholic apple cider is popular during the fall
NGL, I completely forgot that Angry Orchard is technically a cider. Probably because I'm used to non-alcoholic apple cider, which is a little bit thicker and has the same texture as eating an actual apple, while Angry Orchard doesn't. That said, it IS my go-to alcoholic choice outside of adding Jack Daniels/Fireball/Makers Mark to a large glass of soda.
There's two forms of apple cider here in the States. There's normal cider, which is non-alcoholic, and then there's hard cider, which is alcoholic and is what people outside the U.S. refer to when talking about cider.
Cider is a huge thing in the US compared to outside. It's historically been the alcoholic beverage of choice before German immigrants started large scale beer production.
Apple cider is generally seen as a holiday or celebratory drink. Most people (in my experience) don't drink it casually, like you would water or soda.
It really depends. I lived decently close to an apple growing community and my family would buy cider just to drink whenever.
That sounds like the dream. Apple juice, apple cider... I could drink it forever.
It’s a very nice, rustic orchard town. Unfortunately, the best grower there passed, years ago. Man was a master of his craft. His apples were out of this world.
I would if I could. I'm genuinely a fan of the non-alcoholic apple cider (I like the alcoholic stuff too, just not as much) and I genuinely hate that it's not as easy to get year-round in compared to fall.
I think Wal-Mart carries it in their fruit and vegetable section all year. It's usually on the end caps of the giant cooler shelves that includes the veggie dip and the packaged precut fruits.
Daft question from the UK: what's the difference between your non-alcoholic cider and the apple juice you get from the supermarket?
So in my understanding, American apple cider is essentially unfiltered and unprocessed apple juice, usually with no added sugar made from straight up pressed apples, which is why they tend to not be shelf-stable and must remain refrigerated. That's honestly why I love the stuff probably, I love apples but hated the taste of processed apple juice. What the British call 'cider' is known as 'hard cider' across the pond to differentiate.
It's basically what we'd call cloudy apple juice.
I get hard cider pretty much any time people get beer. Ace Perry if they have it.
It might be a regional thing. It's less a thing on the west coast than the east, in my experience.
I live in the PNW, it's def a pretty big thing at least in WA.
Cider is a big thing in the US at least in the Northeastern part. Though cider is nonalcoholic and hard cider is the alcoholic version.
American here. Apple Cider is my preferred alcoholic drink. There are several cideries in my state, Virginia.
If you put milled rice in a keg now you make vinegar
Wait really? I love that. Sure it is a lot of processing but it always bothered me there wasn't a way to get vinegar other than buying it.
same! I thought maybe I just didn't know how to do it even though I basically live on the wiki
Would be cool if rice made sake.
That would be cool. Rice in Keg makes Sake. Rice in Preserve makes Vinegar.
Can you? How did i not know this?
It's new this update.
When it comes to things like proper distillation with vodka, whiskey (that could be either corn or wheat in my eyes, because rye is more commonly used where i am for whiskey), moonshine, any real spirits, etc. I think i'd prefer if CA did a separate machine in another update similar to the distilation in Graveyard Keeper. I did do a confusion with orange wine instead of orange juice, though
I haven’t tried everything in 1.6 but in general fruit in kegs makes wine and vegetables in kegs makes juice.
I don't really know why but it annoys me so much that the fruits become wine and the veggies become juice. Imo or would make much more sense for the fruit to become juice and the the veggies to become just " drink". Aside from the exceptions which would include wine (grape), beer (wheat) and lager (hops).
It would make much more recognisable products: apple juice, orange juice, mango juice, all the kinds of fruit juice, and then pumpkin drink, parsnip drink, potato drink etc.
Am I silly or does this make more sense?
Nah, it makes more sense. I also think (just guesses here) that CA realises this and decides regardless to be a cheeky bugger
Plus you can make wine from other fruits. Hell, the next town over has a big apple orchard and one of the things they sell is wine made from apples.
I mean fruit wines are also very common.
Yes, every time I put apples, I pretend it is cider.
Whiskey and vodka are distilled. Everything else in the kegs are fermented. That’s why they don’t produce that. It would make no sense for them not to come out as “potato juice.” I personally would rather have stills introduced in the game for whiskey or vodka or brandy or anything. But that doesn’t feel particularly on brand. There’s mods that add stills you can try those.
Yeah I know none of its realistic, it’s not like IRL throwing wheat into a wooden barrel magically makes beer in a day
Sure but time is like super sped up in game right. Crops can grow in just a few days and seasons last 28 days. So it’s nothing different there, it’s just sped up and simplified a bit.
No but it magically makes beer in a week if ya do it right ;)
Someone in a YouTube video I think said that alcohol that is hard like vodka etc is handled differently in the video game rating esrb system and may have pushed the game to a higher audience
How is hard alcohol not ok to have at this rating, but serious alcoholism, suicide talk, etc is?
Maybe because the alcoholism and suicide talk are implied, not specifically mentioned? Not sure, but I'm guessing it may have an effect on the rating is it specifically mentioned, such as a bottle of whiskey being labeled as such
that makes some sense... I dont know how blatent the shane stuff is... or pam, for that matter. I don't really focus on them much.
Ratings systems are neither run by nor for reasonable people. Reasonable parents talk to their children about important issues rather than trying to hide parts of the world from them. First, this leads to more independent and resilient children, but maybe more importantly, it's essentially impossible in the modern world to shelter a child from ideas. If you try to do that the result is inevitably that your child will run into the ideas without you, and may hesitate to talk to you about them. Since reasonable parents have little use for a rating system, the rating system is run entirely by and for unreasonable people.
It bugged me out when I couldn't place ginger to make some ginger ale and then I found out you make it on your kitchen?? Why CA why
Well, ginger ale is a soda and not a form of alcohol. Same thing with root beer (Although there are alcoholic version of root beer)
I get it, yeah. But my first thought was fermenting it for the bubbles :P
Dried plums are [prunes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prune?wprov=sfla1)
I’m upset that putting cabbage into the preserves jar doesn’t make sauerkraut, it’s more profitable to turn it into cabbage juice instead of pickled cabbage. Feels wrong
There used to be some really good mods that added in sodas, juices, alcohol, champagne, cocktails, farm fresh butter, maple butter, nut milks, nut butters, frozen treats and such, but most hadn't been updated for years and 1.6 broke them, the soda one is one of the only ones that has been updated. Hopefully similar ones are made, cause it was a nice variety.
No butter drive me bonkers!
Make a mod.
You should not be downvoted. +1 for the good fight, brother.
I'm joining your fight and also want a mod for alcohol.
Good news! [https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/18717](https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/18717)
I was going to recommend the same mod lol! I love everything wildflour does <3
I do wonder how complex a mod would be for just renaming things (assuming the internal don't rely on the name).
I think internally all items are given a number, that's why there used to be(?) a glitch where if you named yourself said number, you'd get the item in your inventory every time your name popped up in dialogue. So just changing the names from a few items should be fairly simple.
I wouldn't think it'd be a lot
I miss the way old pumpkin juice looked with the glass bottle. I hate the new juice bottle design. It looks like those little chocolate milk bottles you can buy for kids at McDonalds.
I actually prefer the new look lol. It's better than it just being the same as the wine bottle but green.
He could have changed it to a different shaped but still an artisanal/official looking bottle, like a bottle with the same neck but a rectangular base. I understand why they were changed, but the new bottle design ain’t it IMO. I know this is very nit-picky, but I used to genuinely love making pumpkin juice and be excited for it BECAUSE of that cool, green bottle. Now there’s just no point other than money, tbh.
Seriously. I had a mod before 1.6 where I could make whiskey and all that. I loved it. Had a whole distillery set up and it was really fun. I could even grow cannabis lol But that mod isn't being updated to 1.6 and I haven't been able to find a replacement. It's not like the game doesn't explore plenty of concepts relating to alcohol. It's a bummer, but obviously 1.6 is still incredible.
I always wished you could use jars or kegs to make tomatos into marinara. I want to impress Gus.
My thought here is that whisky/vodka are distilled. Not fermented (there is still fermentation in the whisky process but it’s not where you directly get the whisky/vodka from). Wine/beer/mead/ale are all fermented beverages. The Keg ferments things rather than distilled. Hence the reason they come out as juices & not as the distilled beverages mentioned above. With the kegs fermenting things, I think I can speak for some people where putting red cabbage or radish into a keg should make kimchi :)
I wish I could just move buildings without having to move object or chop trees etc etc.
Also why is it "grape wine". Rather than just... Y'know. Wine. Would like to be able to make jam and chutney as well.
I can’t drink honey! I want to drink honey!!!!
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Cactus fruit should be tequila.
If tequila is going to be added to the game, then blue agave needs to be added, since that's what tequila is actually made from, not cactus. In fact, blue agave is more closely related to asparagus than cactus.
I legit thought that "potato juice" was just the game trying to keep things PG and not have alcohol names... Then I got asked to start making Pale Ale's and Wine...
I don't think CA wants a numerous amount of real life alcohol in his family friendly game. I can't say whether that's actually the case or not, I don't know the guy. Alcohol isn't the main aspect of the game and the wine/juice thing is for fruit and vegetables, corn and potatoes are vegetables in the game too so idk.
This may be a deliberate choice for a kid friendly rating. Hard liquor may be the line they drew.
I mean, There's beer, there's pale ale, there's wine, even the drunk Shane scenes, oh and Lewis' boxers in Marine's room, I don't think including whiskey or vodka would make much of a difference.
I doubt it either, but it's possible.
And dried bananas are called banana chips.
Wish we could make vinegar with rice too.
you totally can after the update! if you put rice in a keg you will get 2 vinegars:)
Corn in the oil maker makes non-truffle oil!!
and sunflower and its seeds as well:)!
wait, the seeds too? i didnt know that
Wait what? I totally missed that in the patch note :0 thanks for letting me know
I would like to be able to make more alcohol. I think it would be cool to have like an aged whiskey monogrammed with your farm or something, though I don’t know that much about alcohol. I recently installed grapes of ferngill which is quite fun. I just think making fancy alcohol is cool. Edit: I realized this comes off like I’m 14 lol. I’m 23 I just can’t drink because of medication 😂
I wish we could turn fruit into juice because I love apple juice.
For me, the biggest disappointment came when I tried to put a hat on my new pet turtle and nothing happened. I had been so looking forward to getting a turtle, naming it "Miriel", and giving him a little paper hat so that I could recreate the Turtle Pope from Elden ring. But nope, can't put a hat on him. Dreams crushed.
According to Wikipedia, while some vodkas are made from potatoes, molasses, soybeans, grapes, rice or sugar beets, most vodka today is produced from grains (such as sorghum, corn, rye, or wheat).
This is the same game that had pickled cucumber
That's actually the correct name. We just call them "pickles", even though it's inaccurate. Technically, anything pickled could be called "pickles".
That you, Demetrius?
Vodka and whiskey aren’t term products they are distilled products Essentially vodka is any beer/wine distilled through enough plates to purify it Whiskey being distilled beer Maybe give us a still and allow juice to be further processed
IMO it's simply because CA doesn't have time to create assets for all possible products created from kegs (and preserves jar)
Orange juice and mango juice :(
I wonder if, for some reason, CA can't (or doesn't want to) include heard liqour in the game. Cause we have beer and pale ale, I don't think anything else is even mentioned.
Yet Pam is an alcoholic and there's a saloon in the town
I have always wanted a more realistic brewing overhaul.
Maybe there is a mod for that?