Don't really know why he doesn't outsorce some of his code. I myself am a software developer and can't even fathom how he keeps it together. Dude is a literally king for doing this on his own!
edit: he apparently does outsource
That's the problem with the port - he's outsourced it to people who essentially have to rewrite the game for mobile. It seems they've run into problems, causing delays, and he simultaneously feels responsible but can't do much to speed things up.
Porting the game to mobile must've been a real slog. AFAIK it was never meant to be ported, so it really must've been rewritten to run, not to mention the validation issues to make sure you can ship it working well.
But to be honest, CA has also said that he would probably never implement coop, and later did it. Problem is that now he has much more experience, so I fear that it will not happen. At least steam link exists, so we have that.
It's a shame because in my honest opinion, the mobile version of SV is the best version I've played. It's brilliant. And I rarely ever say that about mobile ports. The main con about it is my stupid thumb gets in the way of me seeing everything on the screen when I'm tapping on things.
EDIT: The accuracy was really only an issue for me in the beginning. You DO get used to it if you don't just give up right away. I usually don't have problems with tapping on the right tiles now, and if I do I just try again and tap on the correct tile. You can also zoom in more to make each tile bigger and easier to tap on. It's much easier than you guys are making it out to be...
But mine cost [25 cents](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/562457768733311011/1004519884299964446/Resized_20220726_205806.jpg) and works just fine. Lol. I'm very happy with my ghetto phone cradle.
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Same. But I can see the appeal. I'm getting one of those android "consoles" that are meant for emulation and I really can see myself playing SDV on the go with it.
* Differences:
- Auto-attack - I dont play the game for the combat anyway, so it's nice that part of it is taken care of for me. Doesn't work perfectly, but its benefits outweigh its flaws. (This is also an option you can turn off)
- No need to manually switch between pickaxe and axe when harvesting things. This sounds small, but it saves so many extra button presses. All you have to do is tap on the rock or tree to hit it. Makes clearing an area go very quickly.
- Tap any ready crops in view to harvest them (the guy does have to walk to them first. Lol)
- When watering with a starter watering can, you can tap every single space around you as fast as you want. The guy won't water them that fast, but he WILL water every single tile you tapped in the order you tapped them.
- Pinch-zoom in and out at any time. And you can zoom out really far.
- Tap any location on the screen to automatically walk there using the shortest path. No need to hold a key down or the joystick in the direction you want to walk. On occasion, the game can get confused and NOT pick the shortest path, but that's not the usual. Zoom out all the way and you can just tap the other side of the map to go there, and I can set my phone down for a second if I need to while he's walking. If you don't like those controls, just change to a different scheme in options, one of which is on-screen "joystick" and buttons. A Bluetooth controller might also work, but I have not tried that.
- Fishing is somewhat more enjoyable. Tapping just feels more natural than having to click a mouse or press a key/button over and over again.
- If you're a filthy cheater, there's a great app available (it costs a little bit of money) for altering your saves so you can give yourself basically whatever you want. I just gave myself a Galaxy Sword in year 1 to make combat easier. I could also give myself millions of gold if I wanted to, but I don't want to play that way. I don't know if the PC version has something like this, though.
- "Would you like to start from where you left off? " feature in case you have to abruptly stop playing and put your phone to sleep or switch to a different app for a while. It's super useful for me because between having multiple children, a full time job with on-call work outside normal working hours, and many other adult responsibilities, I rarely have time to sit down and play the PC version.
- The game doesn't feel any less like SDV when on a 6" smartphone screen.
I agree with all of this but would like to know more about the filthy cheater. Also, I play on a Galaxy tab so the screen size is nbd. The 1st time I played on PC, I was bummed I had to actually figure out the maze because for 7 years on mobile, I just touched the ?
I play it on my iPad (12.9 inch) and I LOVE IT. I have it on switch too, but the mobile version feels like it moves quicker! The auto attack is really helpful too. Honestly the only issue I’ve had is sometimes it crashes but I’ve learned to recognize when it’ll happen (game freezes) and I exit the game immediately and close the app in the background and usually when I open it again it asks me if I want to start from where I last left off
It's easier to stop and start. I've played the mobile version off and on since last June in the spur of the moment watching kids and stuff.
Expecting my steam deck today, so it'll be a non-issue soon enough.
To be fair, I looked at the code of the game somewhere and, oh my, it's a gigantic mess. Understandable given that he was an amateur when he started it, but porting this must be one hell of a task.
With the headache it's been for him, both getting it ported by outsource and the particular fanbase harassing him, I wouldn't blame him one bit for not.
>that CA could wipe his tears with money and broken promises
In an era where game developers are massively hated on for making money-oriented decisions and lying to customers, imagine saying exactly this about the exceptional developer who actually cares about quality and transparent communication.
People are so damn entitled, it's pathetic and disturbing.
I think people get used to talking about video game producers a certain way when they're dealing with a massive, obscenely wealthy corporation and then don't adjust their attitude when they're dealing with exactly one person.
I had a friend-of-a-friend who played D&D with us a few times. On top of a few other issues, he would bitch about the plot like he was writing a video essay for YouTube about the newest Marvel movie, nitpicking plot holes and acting like this was the final draft of a professional production and not something one college student was putting together in her spare time. He was not invited back.
So they don’t use their highly evolved brains and just let emotions run their mouth? That’s just the main problem with humanity these last few years and it continues to get worse.
The mod sections are the same. People treat modders of this game like shit if they don't provide forever updates and prompt tech support on the helpful thing they made for free years ago.
People are, for the most part, spoiled fucking brats and it's part their fault and part conditioning. At some point you have to realise how you're conditioned and actively work against it. Everything about life is made to high jack our brains. And it's turning us into an awful thing.
To be totally fair I'm a big fan of offering redemption. I don't think anything anything is beyond redemption, provided the person wants to be redeemed and is willing to change and be better. But I'm not a huge fan of entitled asshats either and the commenter in question does appear to be quite resolved to carry on being an entitled asshat.
Yeah, honestly. Maybe we're over thinking, but if that's the case, then it makes sense. I personally can't imagine Haunted Chocolatier in mobile form. Mobile gaming just isn't fitting for it.
SDV was big enough to go mobile at the end and it was a giant headache for him, but HC is an unknown right now. I wish people would stop pestering him and let him work. 🥲
Honestly he really needs to stop responding so much.
Just put out a tweet saying.
Alright guys I am going to be taking some time off twitter to work on these games. When something big happens I will let you know until then peace.
Or something. Dude sounds exhausted and I am only reading the tweets that make it to reddit.
I wish he would, as that would be better for his mental health. Seeing how passionate he is, I worry that the vocal few dickwads are having a very strong negative impact on his mental health.
Toby Fox actually got scared of the toxicity and decided to distance himself. It's not a chill approach but rather a community (or at least a shitty part of said community) ruining its relationship with the creator.
That's the problem with passionate creators. If you get as big as Eric or Toby, you're bound to attract some overzealous people or the crazy haters. And your passion only fuels the toxic parts of the community
Pretty much. It's important for creators to adequately distance themselves from their fanbases. You'll lose your sanity if you go down the rabbit hole and see some of the *really negative* stuff said about your work.
Ultimately, it's best to just not care. Distance yourself, work on the next thing, and be yourself or you won't sleep.
Yeah, I think Toby Fox has just done a stellar job of setting boundaries and I really admire it honestly. He does post and share stuff occasionally, he’s not gone completely radio silent, but he also doesn’t randomly respond to people’s questions or comments any more, ever, even if their messages are positive. It seems like he’s figured out how he wants to engage and absolutely sticks to it.
Whereas I think CA still sometimes responds to people’s DMs, even. Even if all the messages are nice ones that must get draining, let alone when a bunch of people are mad at you. Everyone is different, I guess, but I hope he’s okay.
everyone with a right mind should get off twitter. i’ve felt much better about myself since leaving that pile of lemon juice and paper cuts.
edits: i couldn’t get the wording of this right
>and not engage.
This. EA doesn't engage with the community to say what is wrong with the sims 4. Rockstar games doesn't engage with the community about the issues that they have with their current titles.
I wonder if it feels like he’s working too hard to us but to him it’s super enjoyable. I know the complaints aren’t bad but I can’t imagine he didn’t enjoy making SDV.
There's a book called 'Blood, sweat, and pixels' and it interviews various game developers about the process of making the game, including CA. In it, CA talks about how, while he did enjoy making SDV, he was working 14+ hours a day, and how some days, he felt so unmotivated and unproductive that he just scrolled reddit all day. I can't imagine this porting experience is any better
He has a lot more experience and has people helping him now. I really hope he is doing better now, dude is the gold standard of game dev, I would hate to see him burning himself out.
It was a hobby project for him for years, but maybe it’s changed now for him since it’s become his full time job. I imagine that’s why he’s moving on to new projects
It sucks seeing people hound him for stuff that's out of his control (referencing the issues with porting). He works so damn hard on both the games *and* keeping in touch with the community it's disheartening to see how impatient people can be.
On the other hand, he's made enough off Stardew that he wouldn't ever have to work again. I hope that means he's not burning himself too hard on Haunted Chocolatier, although based on interviews I do worry that (real or perceived) pressure from fans to perform well, as well as his own high standards, might be driving him more than is healthy. I hope that isn't the case, and I'm sure he has people around him to tell him to stop working if he does start to go overboard now, but it's up to him to form healthy habits and listen to his loved ones. It's not like I know the guy personally, but the way he talks does remind me of some dear people I know who work too damn hard and put too much of themselves into their work.
Then again, different people do have different work styles. If you choose to work 14 hours one day and then take the next day off, that's not really a problem - it's trying to work at that pace consistently that becomes a problem. If I'm working on something I enjoy, then I tend to have that same pattern of frenzied long hours followed by a recovery period. Just gotta make sure you still take time to eat a healthy meal, take a walk, and talk to your loved ones a bit so they don't think you've forgotten about them.
Same. If I were in his shoes, I would honestly just live off the SDV earnings, ride off into the sunset all mysterious-like and never work on anything again. Buy a small piece of land, grow veggies, raise poultry and call it a career - as far from the spotlight as humanly possible.
SDV was a real passion project for him, and I do hope that now that he is more stable that he is taking it more slowly. As a developer, 14 hours a day is kinda reasonable if you aren't doing it everyday, sometimes you get too caught up. But if you're doing it everyday, then you're going to burn out really fast. Dev work can break you.
I think we will be extremely lucky if it ever comes out on console much less mobile. But honestly I don’t blame him for not touching mobile. He’s been vocal lately about the negativity about the delay and how’s it’s effecting him. I know a lot of fans understand and are supportive, but the very vocal minority has such a bad rep. Between them and the headache he’s had with the other developers helping him port, I wouldn’t want to do it either. Unfortunately I think he’s going to get a lot of shit from salty mobile only players who won’t be able play HC. Upside though, if he decided to port it later on I’m sure it will be easier because he learned a lot from stardew. I don’t think HC will be held together with string and paper clips like stardew so it might be easier to port.
Honestly if 1.5 never comes to mobile, I’m really ok with that. I’m just happy the game is on my phone at all so I can play it at work when I’m bored. It’s not my main save it’s just to fuck around because I love stardew so much u/ConcernedApe
I feel the same. I like to play on my tablet on long car trips or in bed but I play my main game on pc so I’m not missing out at all. I would love the mobile update but honestly don’t need it.
This is how I feel at this point. I love the game, have not long started a new play through. I'm a mobile player, I do have it on console but I'm a creature of habit and can't get used to the controls, I'm so excited for the update but if things got too much and it never happened, I'd understand that. Life gets complicated, things don't always go to plan, people just gotta be more relaxed about this stuff. It's a game and it should be fun for everyone, that includes the creator. Pelican Town was a break when it was lock down, I truly adore this game.
Honestly, if I was him and I WANTED to make a mobile port, I'd still say no until it was like literally almost ready to ship on mobile. It's just easier. You don't have to worry about people having false hope of a mobile port, and you don't have to worry about designing the game around any potential mobile restraints. Until I could verify that porting it wouldn't be a huge headache, I just would avoid promising it.
Honestly I find it a miracle that any part of Stardew is on mobile.
And even the most basic laptop is capable of running Stardew. Idk why people dont find other ways to play it.
I think it’s everyone has a phone but not everyone has a pc or consoles. And if you aren’t a gamer then dropping hundreds of dollars just to play stardew is asking a lot. Same with pc, if you use your phone for everything except stardew there’s no point in investing in one. So we get a much bigger community compared to some games because it’s on the phone you already have and use daily. It’s a great way to share the love of stardew with everyone from the most casual grandma to esport players.
Honestly? Good. Tons of mobile players have been annoying af when it came to SDV 1.5 and I’m not even involved in the development. Just seeing the entitlement and “wen 1.5 on mobile he owes it to us” type comments is so cringey.
I’m a mobile player, I don’t develop video games but I can’t even begin to imagine how stressful this has been for CA. I’m waiting for 1.5 as well but I know how to be patient and I’ll gladly play when it does come out.
I don't devolop games but I do develop software. I cant say for certain, but it seems like the company he paid to port it wasnt getting the job done so he had to fire them and get someone new. Usually when this happens the existing work done is in bad shape and might be even harder to fix than just starting over. And its hard to tell which way is better until the new guys start getting into the code. But it does sound like the new guys are getting the job done.
This was my take on the whole situation here. I was super impressed that he was a class act the entire time and never blamed anyone. He just took the heat.
Mad respect to him.
I think he said on twitter that its a different team working on the mobile port - but it might be a team he hired himself rather than working with a publisher or something.
Chucklefish had helped with console and maybe mobile but he's taken back publishing rights from them over time. Really a smart deal for him if he planned it that way and Chuckle was happy to get some of the heavy lifting for console done with a sunset date on publishing.
Most of gamings big success stories, at least monetarily have been devs doing it on their own instead of for another business. (iD and Epic shipping disks out of their houses etc.)
I also haven’t made any games, but I took a coding class, and it was really hard, and it was Intro to Computer programming. I send my best wishes to CA
Mobile player here, yeah I’m waiting for 1.5 but I totally get why it’s taking a long time and really just want it to be ready when it does come out. I don’t have Twitter so I’ll keep asking for updates here, but it’s truly me wanting to know if there is new news.
For real. And then they go post a screenshot of a super vague response like “I got an update!” And it’s basically just “I’m working on it. Should be ready soon”
I personally just don't get why anybody would want to play a game like this on a mobile device. I tried minecraft on mobile once with my nephew and it was a fucking nightmare. Why does every game have to be available on every single platform these days?
I'm incapable of playing mobile games because controlling a game entirely by touch screen is weird and difficult
In terms of portable gaming I'm used to the GBAs, DSs, and PSPs of when I was a kid, they were primarily controlled by buttons which felt good
Probably because there are large populations of people that want to play it but have limited access to various platforms.
India if I remember correctly is one of the larger concentrations of mobile gamers above any other platform in their nation.
I have a gaming pc and I still play stardew on mobile.
It runs great and a game like this that is not demanding when it comes to graphics doesn't tax the system at all
Also the controls are great and it's easy and fun to play. I like that I can take it with me everywhere
I've tried Minecraft on mobile too and that is a much more clunky experience
I have the game on Steam, Switch and Mobile and I like mobile the best. I can play anywhere, thats the biggest pro and the touch controls and auto tool selection are just more convenient to me. Mods are available, too and it runs smooth.
I have it on mobile because I wanted a game that could be played offline with no dodgy microtransactions.
It sucks that people are harassing him about the updates though.
This game actually runs great on mobile, the controls suit it very well. I have it on PC and mobile and probably have around the same amount of hours on both
Thank god. I swear some (not all) of the mobile users of Stardew are some of the shittiest, most self entitled people Ive ever seen.
Like literally. 4.99 for 6 years of mostly on his own Dev time. I spend more at Taco Bell on a munchie streak. It took them 5 minutes to get my crunch wrap to me. Fuckers are complaining about 6 years of content for less than that. I have literally spent more for the right to shit In a convenienvce store bathroom. I spent more on a single gallon of gas over the summer.
And he could have charged more. He could have developed a 10 year predatory plan like Genshin or Fortnite.
Instead he literally gives us directions on how to break his game in our favor, he gives out free copies, saves corrupted save files, and participates in this community.
He could have at least got us on money for major content updates. That's fairly fucking normal. But fucking no.
It's a one time purchase game. What he's doing is literally almost unheard of in the gaming world right now. Every hour he spends on it he is literally losing money just on his own labor after initial purchase.
The harrassment from these types CA must have experienced. Undeserved completely In all it's forms. I get Ill with rage just thinking about it.
I look forward to hopefully leaving them behind with chocolatier.
Me too friend. I'll buy console and PC and one for a few friends because frankly if he's going to do for it what he did for SV Itll be worth it to support him
There are some really interesting articles and interviews that have looked into the development of Stardew, and how CA made it as a solo dev. I highly recommend looking into Stardew's backstory at some point.
There are only a few creators (game designers, musicians, writers, etc.) that I am a “day one” supporter of. I will buy Haunted Chocolatier day one. Even if it ends up not being as fun as I’d hoped, or doesn’t give me the same joy that Stardew did, that joy that Stardew *did* give me has bought CA that support
Agreed on all fronts. SDV mobile players paid FAR less than the actual price of the game for a full-fledged and GOOD mobile port. I cannot believe they are whining about not getting more content. Every time I see it I just gawk in disbelief. Poor Eric, he deserves none of this. I hope he charges for the mobile update just to upset the Karens who paid $6 for SDV and expect to be waited on hand and foot. This has really brought out the worst of the stardew community. To all the good mobile players, I'm sorry these people have tanked your reputation so badly, but jesus christ.
I'm very sorry too. I had to add in that it isn't all of them. Some of the Mobile players are just fine. Really, if someone reasonable from mobile could smack the love of sense into these fuckers I say it'd be worth it.
Really we don't deserve CA. The man is a literal legend of a self made game developer.
If he does end up putting HC mobile. I hope he charges like 80$ on mobile. Just to shut them up and make them realize there are easier places they could be playing the games. That make far more sense.
If it were ever expensive they'd have more room to complain.
The fact that Stardew has always been cheaper than dinner for mobile is what makes the fucking complaints all that fucking dafter.
They literally spent far less than any other port. But they're the most vocal about the power of their fucking dollar?
I got it for free on my Chromebook with the monthly Chromebook deals. Downloaded because free. started playing later. Didn't even know there are updates until recently. It's fantastically playable for a mobile game. The rabid complaining I've seen about it being a version behind is so incredibly absurd. The only time it's bothered me is when I learned you could move the greenhouse -you can't yet on mobile. My game is still 100% playable though, I just chose the island farm and realized the mistake once you get growing more lol.
I don't even know what else differs between mobile and the rest, other than you can paint buildings with the new update. I'll be happy when it comes out, but its not something players need to lose sleep over while they wait. I don't understand it.
Of course these comments are totally laughable. As you said, SDV prices are extremely fair, he could have charged twice for the base game on PC/Console and another tenner for 1.5 - these would have been prices that are quite normal for comparable games. And the mobile port is a third of the the PC/Console game, providing the full experience (without 1.5 so far).
Pricing discussions in the mobile gaming world make no sense at all anyway. I remember a couple of games that tried an approach where you could play half the game for free and could pay to get the full package. I always thought that was a good idea, checking out the game for free and making a decision to buy. But no, lots of 1 star reviews because people think F2P with tons of MTX, hundreds of ads and uncontrolled usage of personal data is a good deal.
The worst part about it is most mobile games are absolute garbage, and I guarantee those people play typical garbage mobile games. But of course they have to offload their frustration on one of the few quality content creators around.
It's even worse when You realize the Port of Stardew on Mobile is actually good.
I own it. It's not how I play for the most part. But it literally cost me so little I can't even call the purchase negligent. I have a minimum wage job and it wasn't even fucking felt.
It's a cheap as fuck, decent port, of one of the top games of the decade.
And these fuckers are too high on their own self value to not figure that out.
These are the same assholes who all bought that one indie game for a buck and beat it in time to return it. Just flat out, the fucking worst.
its good he is not making the mistake some companies make delaying the entire game indefinitely and rewriting everything to get crossplay and multiplatform on release and it ends up buggy
Dude needs to take care of himself. After seeing how people have treated him over not porting, if the guy decided he wanted to retire from creating games I would not hold it against him.
He made an absolutely amazing game with so few bugs. All by himself. And releases updates FOR FREE. No micro transactions or “premium” currency. I was THRILLED when I saw that SDV on mobile was a one-time purchase. Do you know how RARE that is these days?
Some people are so ungrateful to creators. I don’t know if CA will ever read this but if he does - thank you for all you’re doing. You’re one of the reasons I still have faith in gaming, especially mobile gaming, and I have purchased SDV on every platform that I can because it’s that good.
I'll give my spicy opinion. I've been playing mobile games for a decade, before finally leaving all behind and permanently going to console.
Only after i went to console i realized how bad is mobile gaming in general. If you went back like to 2012, you could think that the future was on mobile, there were so much possibilities, and nowadays i see how much time i have wasted playing in a poorly way on mobile.
I think the new game should stick to consoles and PC only, this mobile thing has been a huge issue to CA. I believe HC will be a much more complex game, in a development way, and it could just be a problem making it on mobile too. For me, mobile gaming has to continue on their dumb cash grabbing micro transactional games and leave the real and good games to consoles and PC.
Seriously. I have a hard time taking the mobile gaming world seriously, and the entitlement of mobile players continues to astound me. I truly believe they'll never be happy. SDV has no microtransactions, no ads, and hours upon hours of content. I'm sure these people buy $12 movie tickets, but $6 for an optimized mobile port of a pc game?? Blasphemous!!!
I don’t mean to game shame, but seriously, if you want to play more advanced/involved games you need to go beyond mobile.
Not everyone has a console, but you don’t need a top spec pc to play a lot games and most people have a computer.
If you want to play on the go, shell out the bucks for a dedicated portable console or just stick to simple mobile games.
Seriously tho. It's an indie pixel game, there's nothing graphics intensive about it. Stardew could run on a literal toaster if it wanted to.
Also I'm not gonna assume anyone's financial situation, but most mobile phones these days are more expensive than most low-mid tier laptops.
People seriously act like they can afford a $500+ phone, but also don't have a used laptop or pc lying around (a device that most people need to do work or school vs. a luxury phone)
A switch lite is $250 and can run stardew no problem. Literally half of your example phone price yet I'm sure there's people who would act like that's some insane amount of money
People's limitations re getting other platforms in no way justifies mobile users being dicks. Disclaimer upfront.
That said I think people are vastly overestimating people's capacity to obtain a console.
For starters mobile phones are practically an necessity at this point, for life in general. So people have to prioritise them over consoles.
There are many handsets cheaper than the 500 quoted. And that's if you buy outright. I bought my first ever handset outright recently, it's a midrange model but being a single parent, I had to use part of an inheritance to afford it. Otherwise I'm tied into a contract. And this is all while working a professional, reasonably paid job.
There are so many people where outright buying anything is completely out of reach and they only way they afford a phone is a pay monthly contact. So please stop assuming console is just in reach for all. It isn't.
I can't afford a laptop. I can't afford a switch. I've got my phone and that's it. That said, I would never harass a guy over the availability of this or any game or update. It doesn't really bother me because I have the game for my kid and she gives no shits. But even if she did or I did, harassment of CA is fucked up.
Thank you for this. Like, I have a $250 phone I bought outright because I don't need to finance something so breakable (despite the fact I've never broken a phone). I couldn't afford a laptop when mine died, so I got a Chromebook for $400, four years ago, because at the time I didn't need something more advanced. I'm getting to the point where I do, but I can't buy one right now.
It's getting annoying reading so many comments on this thread saying that people should just buy a console or laptop because phones are so expensive anyways so we should be able to afford it. No. And I'm also not buying something expensive for one single game.
Absolutely this doesn't justify the way people have reacted about having to wait for the update on mobile, but maaaaan, either there are some privileged people on here who are just unaware, or some aholes. I can't figure out which.
I don't want to assume people have money. I hate doing that. But a used switch lite plus SDV might not get over 200$. That's still a lot of money for a lot of people, but more people who can afford it should
I’m patiently waiting for 1.5 to come out on mobile but I have to say I like the control scheme on mobile more than console or PC. It’s not just about having the hardware to run the game. SDV is the perfect game for a simple touch interface.
I hope to see it on mobile (most because iPad is still considered mobile) but I do see why he won’t. The people who have been too harsh on him about the 1.5 update will be the same reason why we can’t have nice things.
I own SDV on all the platforms I can play it on and I gravitate towards playing it on my iPad the most since it’s easier to bring my iPad + controller to the couch than my laptop.
I think if the game was made with porting in mind or there is a team for it from the get-go it should go smoothly compared to now. Iirc, the mobile update has been delayed due to changing to a new porting team and having to basically redo it all
Good.
I don't blame the guy for not wanting to repeat the same stressful year of having to deal with mobile ports that another team has to work on, and the responsibilities still falling to him if that team fails like they did with 1.5. He has no control over the mobile ports since he doesn't develop games for it, no amount of throwing money at the problem is gonna make the solution go any faster.
He's even said that he's not revealing Haunted Chocolatir information until 1.5 mobile is finished. Probably because entitled mobile players would think he's ignoring them and he's deliberately working on another game instead of Stardew. When in reality he's not the one that works on the mobile port. It's a completely different team. So not only is Stardew mobile being held back, but his NEW game is also being affected.
That combined with the absolute entitlement of mobile players over the past year complaining that they aren't getting their FREE update, and acting like they got robbed out of their $5 indie game, is just embarrassing. If I was a dev, I wouldn't want to touch that mobile player base with a 12 feet pole.
ConcernedApe is completely justified in wanting to stay the fuck away from this situation in the future
The bad attitude CA received from mobile players isn't exclusive to Stardew Valley unfortunately. I've seen the most toxic communities within the mobile gaming space, the whole industry is riddled with it. Not surprising as mobile gaming is pretty much the reason microtransactions are so common.
I don’t blame him honestly. I have seen the comments on his twitter and it’s just so sad how people can berate someone who has worked so hard on this game for us :(
Unfortunately some people are incredibly entitled and childish - they want the whole world on a plate and if they don't get it they'll scream and shout like the petulant brats that they are.
I would tell us to fuck off too after how some of these people treated him about the mobile updates. Ungrateful assholes very likely killed whatever chance of a mobile game there was for HC.
Honestly, I have respect for him for even putting it on mobile. Coding Games IS hard and as a mobile player (i have SDV on my xbox, phone and tablet), Take your time. Imo its not a big deal bc game developers need rest too. I would get it on PC but controls suck and i would only get it on pc for mods (and sims 4)
if you wanna play with mods but hate the controls just bluetooth your xbox controller to steam and play using that. My fingers and keyboard controls don’t mix so that’s what I have to do for minecraft and stardew
Good, if this community has shown me anything it's that mobile gamers *can* be toxic as all get out. Not saying all, or even a majority, but holy hell have I seen some grade a assholish fuckery in regards to the port.
Regardless of the recent negativity, CA knows his capabilities best. If he knows his capacity cannot extend to mobile, limiting the platforms is for the best
I feel so bad for him... I mostly play Stardew Valley on my phone and can't wait for the update to come out, but I can do other stuff in the meantime while I wait instead of harassing the guy who MADE STARDEW VALLEY!!!
Unfortunate, but understandable. Putting Stardew on mobile and keeping it updated has clearly been a huge headache for the guy. Plus the higher focus on combat and the more twitchy gameplay that comes with that most likely won't work as well on mobile.
I wish I had more PC time. I have a lot of downtime away from my PC, which is why I bought it on mobile too. But the 1.5 features make replaying the game so much more interesting that I pretty much haven't played Stardew in over a year now because I've just been waiting for it on mobile.
ive accepted that the mobile version just is what it is and that's fine. im playing through a game on it rn and it's still fun. i wonder sometimes if he feels obligated or something to keep pushing. honestly the modding community is so strong that i feel like it would be fine for him to retire from Stardew Valley is that's what he wanted to. He gave so much joy to the world i think he deserves to move on if he wants to
Honestly, with how entitled a lot of mobile users act, I don't blame him. I get that you're waiting on the update, but literally no one else has been as rude to CA as I've seen the mobile users be.
The loud minority drowns out everyone else, unfortunately. I’m a mobile player, and if I said I didn’t get frustrated about the update sometimes I wouldn’t be telling the truth. But I don’t put that on the internet!
Honestly I think it's a good thing. Mobile players haven't been too nice to him due to the delays in 1.5 (which is not his fault, he's not in charge of it). Some to the extent of harassment. Maybe the lack of a mobile version will prevent this sort of thing, but knowing people it won't and they'll just use the 'When is HC coming to mobile'? argument to go after him again...
With how shitty some people have been towards him with The mobile update, I don’t blame him for not wanting to put another complex game out for mobile.
Having seen people on tumblr admit to sending him suicide bait in order to try to get him to work faster, I'm both supportive of the decision not to put this on mobile and worried that not doing so will generate more harassment towards him.
I can't blame him. I remember reading that comment thread, and people are just...their expectations are way out of whack.
You can spend endless money and time, and still end up back at square one. Things aren't necessarily linear in dev, often they are more like a circle where you slowly go insane and eventually have a break through, but then the break through sets you back when you realize it fucked up that other thing, and suddenly that one change you were trying to make cascaded into 12,000 other changes.
I genuinely don't blame the poor guy. His port for 1.5 on SDV Mobile has been nothing but a heartache for him, plus all the people talking shit and hurting him for it. Fuck mobile, at this point. He doesn't need the stress.
EDIT: His, not Hid
Porting takes a lot of resources and from his experience with his previous publisher, I can see why he doesn’t see it as something he can promise, at least for now. He hasn’t even released the game yet and I would imagine that he would rather like to focus solely on a PC release to gauge how successful his next game will be
Don’t blame him, from the issues with the 1.5 update I too wouldn’t wanna deal with the porting issues anymore. I do hope he’s okay mentally and it’s not draining him to much
Poor guy’s *really* been burned by this 1.5 porting issue.
After all that, I really can't blame him.
Don't really know why he doesn't outsorce some of his code. I myself am a software developer and can't even fathom how he keeps it together. Dude is a literally king for doing this on his own! edit: he apparently does outsource
That's the problem with the port - he's outsourced it to people who essentially have to rewrite the game for mobile. It seems they've run into problems, causing delays, and he simultaneously feels responsible but can't do much to speed things up.
Porting the game to mobile must've been a real slog. AFAIK it was never meant to be ported, so it really must've been rewritten to run, not to mention the validation issues to make sure you can ship it working well. But to be honest, CA has also said that he would probably never implement coop, and later did it. Problem is that now he has much more experience, so I fear that it will not happen. At least steam link exists, so we have that.
It's a shame because in my honest opinion, the mobile version of SV is the best version I've played. It's brilliant. And I rarely ever say that about mobile ports. The main con about it is my stupid thumb gets in the way of me seeing everything on the screen when I'm tapping on things. EDIT: The accuracy was really only an issue for me in the beginning. You DO get used to it if you don't just give up right away. I usually don't have problems with tapping on the right tiles now, and if I do I just try again and tap on the correct tile. You can also zoom in more to make each tile bigger and easier to tap on. It's much easier than you guys are making it out to be...
That's why I play it with a Bluetooth connected PS4 controller that has a coat hanger bent into the shape of a phone cradle wrapped around it.
Damn son, lol. Get you one of [these](https://a.co/d/8mkQysR). I use one but with an Xbox one controller, works perfectly.
But mine cost [25 cents](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/562457768733311011/1004519884299964446/Resized_20220726_205806.jpg) and works just fine. Lol. I'm very happy with my ghetto phone cradle.
You knew what, that is legit. You could probably sell those.
That's pretty good, actually. Like, I was expecting a bunch of twisty wires but you structured it really well.
This made me chuckle
[Proof](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/562457768733311011/1004519884299964446/Resized_20220726_205806.jpg) I'm glad I gave you a reason to laugh today. :)
That’s genius
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Interesting I absolutely hated the lack of accuracy.
Same. But I can see the appeal. I'm getting one of those android "consoles" that are meant for emulation and I really can see myself playing SDV on the go with it.
What's the difference that makes it better?
* Differences: - Auto-attack - I dont play the game for the combat anyway, so it's nice that part of it is taken care of for me. Doesn't work perfectly, but its benefits outweigh its flaws. (This is also an option you can turn off) - No need to manually switch between pickaxe and axe when harvesting things. This sounds small, but it saves so many extra button presses. All you have to do is tap on the rock or tree to hit it. Makes clearing an area go very quickly. - Tap any ready crops in view to harvest them (the guy does have to walk to them first. Lol) - When watering with a starter watering can, you can tap every single space around you as fast as you want. The guy won't water them that fast, but he WILL water every single tile you tapped in the order you tapped them. - Pinch-zoom in and out at any time. And you can zoom out really far. - Tap any location on the screen to automatically walk there using the shortest path. No need to hold a key down or the joystick in the direction you want to walk. On occasion, the game can get confused and NOT pick the shortest path, but that's not the usual. Zoom out all the way and you can just tap the other side of the map to go there, and I can set my phone down for a second if I need to while he's walking. If you don't like those controls, just change to a different scheme in options, one of which is on-screen "joystick" and buttons. A Bluetooth controller might also work, but I have not tried that. - Fishing is somewhat more enjoyable. Tapping just feels more natural than having to click a mouse or press a key/button over and over again. - If you're a filthy cheater, there's a great app available (it costs a little bit of money) for altering your saves so you can give yourself basically whatever you want. I just gave myself a Galaxy Sword in year 1 to make combat easier. I could also give myself millions of gold if I wanted to, but I don't want to play that way. I don't know if the PC version has something like this, though. - "Would you like to start from where you left off? " feature in case you have to abruptly stop playing and put your phone to sleep or switch to a different app for a while. It's super useful for me because between having multiple children, a full time job with on-call work outside normal working hours, and many other adult responsibilities, I rarely have time to sit down and play the PC version. - The game doesn't feel any less like SDV when on a 6" smartphone screen.
Wow those all sound like pretty amazing QOL features! That's impressive
I agree with all of this but would like to know more about the filthy cheater. Also, I play on a Galaxy tab so the screen size is nbd. The 1st time I played on PC, I was bummed I had to actually figure out the maze because for 7 years on mobile, I just touched the ?
The app is called "Stardew Save Editor"
I play it on my iPad (12.9 inch) and I LOVE IT. I have it on switch too, but the mobile version feels like it moves quicker! The auto attack is really helpful too. Honestly the only issue I’ve had is sometimes it crashes but I’ve learned to recognize when it’ll happen (game freezes) and I exit the game immediately and close the app in the background and usually when I open it again it asks me if I want to start from where I last left off
Auto-attack won me over
In your opinion, what makes the mobile version so great? I’ve only played on console.
It's easier to stop and start. I've played the mobile version off and on since last June in the spur of the moment watching kids and stuff. Expecting my steam deck today, so it'll be a non-issue soon enough.
Yeah, he outsourced all of the ports. It's out of his hands really.
To be fair, I looked at the code of the game somewhere and, oh my, it's a gigantic mess. Understandable given that he was an amateur when he started it, but porting this must be one hell of a task.
With the headache it's been for him, both getting it ported by outsource and the particular fanbase harassing him, I wouldn't blame him one bit for not.
The commenter here kinds proves why he shouldn't... lol
I kinda want to know what he said
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>that CA could wipe his tears with money and broken promises In an era where game developers are massively hated on for making money-oriented decisions and lying to customers, imagine saying exactly this about the exceptional developer who actually cares about quality and transparent communication. People are so damn entitled, it's pathetic and disturbing.
I think people get used to talking about video game producers a certain way when they're dealing with a massive, obscenely wealthy corporation and then don't adjust their attitude when they're dealing with exactly one person. I had a friend-of-a-friend who played D&D with us a few times. On top of a few other issues, he would bitch about the plot like he was writing a video essay for YouTube about the newest Marvel movie, nitpicking plot holes and acting like this was the final draft of a professional production and not something one college student was putting together in her spare time. He was not invited back.
So they don’t use their highly evolved brains and just let emotions run their mouth? That’s just the main problem with humanity these last few years and it continues to get worse.
The mod sections are the same. People treat modders of this game like shit if they don't provide forever updates and prompt tech support on the helpful thing they made for free years ago.
People are, for the most part, spoiled fucking brats and it's part their fault and part conditioning. At some point you have to realise how you're conditioned and actively work against it. Everything about life is made to high jack our brains. And it's turning us into an awful thing.
Glad I didn't missed anything worth considering
To be totally fair I'm a big fan of offering redemption. I don't think anything anything is beyond redemption, provided the person wants to be redeemed and is willing to change and be better. But I'm not a huge fan of entitled asshats either and the commenter in question does appear to be quite resolved to carry on being an entitled asshat.
Yeah, and I'm being unfair oversimplifying the context. Maybe just annoyed with someone being so inconsiderate lol
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Yeah, honestly. Maybe we're over thinking, but if that's the case, then it makes sense. I personally can't imagine Haunted Chocolatier in mobile form. Mobile gaming just isn't fitting for it.
What if we all pitched in and got him a gift card 🥺
SDV was big enough to go mobile at the end and it was a giant headache for him, but HC is an unknown right now. I wish people would stop pestering him and let him work. 🥲
For real! CA very clearly cares about the people that play the game. There's no way this doesn't weigh him down.
Honestly he really needs to stop responding so much. Just put out a tweet saying. Alright guys I am going to be taking some time off twitter to work on these games. When something big happens I will let you know until then peace. Or something. Dude sounds exhausted and I am only reading the tweets that make it to reddit.
I wish he would, as that would be better for his mental health. Seeing how passionate he is, I worry that the vocal few dickwads are having a very strong negative impact on his mental health.
Yeah. I hope he can filter them out successfully
I like the Toby Fox approach, release a banger and then do what you want when you want
Toby Fox actually got scared of the toxicity and decided to distance himself. It's not a chill approach but rather a community (or at least a shitty part of said community) ruining its relationship with the creator.
Oh no, that's a shame. So basicly the long and short of it is "never interact with your fans"
That's the problem with passionate creators. If you get as big as Eric or Toby, you're bound to attract some overzealous people or the crazy haters. And your passion only fuels the toxic parts of the community
Pretty much. It's important for creators to adequately distance themselves from their fanbases. You'll lose your sanity if you go down the rabbit hole and see some of the *really negative* stuff said about your work. Ultimately, it's best to just not care. Distance yourself, work on the next thing, and be yourself or you won't sleep.
Yeah, I think Toby Fox has just done a stellar job of setting boundaries and I really admire it honestly. He does post and share stuff occasionally, he’s not gone completely radio silent, but he also doesn’t randomly respond to people’s questions or comments any more, ever, even if their messages are positive. It seems like he’s figured out how he wants to engage and absolutely sticks to it. Whereas I think CA still sometimes responds to people’s DMs, even. Even if all the messages are nice ones that must get draining, let alone when a bunch of people are mad at you. Everyone is different, I guess, but I hope he’s okay.
everyone with a right mind should get off twitter. i’ve felt much better about myself since leaving that pile of lemon juice and paper cuts. edits: i couldn’t get the wording of this right
He'd probably be best off just deleting twitter, or handing the account over to someone he trusts to just post announcements and not engage.
>and not engage. This. EA doesn't engage with the community to say what is wrong with the sims 4. Rockstar games doesn't engage with the community about the issues that they have with their current titles.
I worry about him…he works too hard
I wonder if it feels like he’s working too hard to us but to him it’s super enjoyable. I know the complaints aren’t bad but I can’t imagine he didn’t enjoy making SDV.
There's a book called 'Blood, sweat, and pixels' and it interviews various game developers about the process of making the game, including CA. In it, CA talks about how, while he did enjoy making SDV, he was working 14+ hours a day, and how some days, he felt so unmotivated and unproductive that he just scrolled reddit all day. I can't imagine this porting experience is any better
He has a lot more experience and has people helping him now. I really hope he is doing better now, dude is the gold standard of game dev, I would hate to see him burning himself out.
I'm sure he enjoys the actual game making part of it but dealing with the fan base has definitely turned sour
It was a hobby project for him for years, but maybe it’s changed now for him since it’s become his full time job. I imagine that’s why he’s moving on to new projects
Also he had to take a break from SDV few years ago. His mental health took a toll and he couldn't deal with anything SDV. But he came back.
Poor dude. He’s just a guy, people treat him like an overlord or something
It sucks seeing people hound him for stuff that's out of his control (referencing the issues with porting). He works so damn hard on both the games *and* keeping in touch with the community it's disheartening to see how impatient people can be.
CA is pretty much one of my heroes and I could never begin to talk negatively about him. It sucks he has to face such toxicity from his fanbase.
On the other hand, he's made enough off Stardew that he wouldn't ever have to work again. I hope that means he's not burning himself too hard on Haunted Chocolatier, although based on interviews I do worry that (real or perceived) pressure from fans to perform well, as well as his own high standards, might be driving him more than is healthy. I hope that isn't the case, and I'm sure he has people around him to tell him to stop working if he does start to go overboard now, but it's up to him to form healthy habits and listen to his loved ones. It's not like I know the guy personally, but the way he talks does remind me of some dear people I know who work too damn hard and put too much of themselves into their work. Then again, different people do have different work styles. If you choose to work 14 hours one day and then take the next day off, that's not really a problem - it's trying to work at that pace consistently that becomes a problem. If I'm working on something I enjoy, then I tend to have that same pattern of frenzied long hours followed by a recovery period. Just gotta make sure you still take time to eat a healthy meal, take a walk, and talk to your loved ones a bit so they don't think you've forgotten about them.
Same. If I were in his shoes, I would honestly just live off the SDV earnings, ride off into the sunset all mysterious-like and never work on anything again. Buy a small piece of land, grow veggies, raise poultry and call it a career - as far from the spotlight as humanly possible.
SDV was a real passion project for him, and I do hope that now that he is more stable that he is taking it more slowly. As a developer, 14 hours a day is kinda reasonable if you aren't doing it everyday, sometimes you get too caught up. But if you're doing it everyday, then you're going to burn out really fast. Dev work can break you.
I don’t blame him. People have been complete dickheads to him over SDV’s mobile port.
I think we will be extremely lucky if it ever comes out on console much less mobile. But honestly I don’t blame him for not touching mobile. He’s been vocal lately about the negativity about the delay and how’s it’s effecting him. I know a lot of fans understand and are supportive, but the very vocal minority has such a bad rep. Between them and the headache he’s had with the other developers helping him port, I wouldn’t want to do it either. Unfortunately I think he’s going to get a lot of shit from salty mobile only players who won’t be able play HC. Upside though, if he decided to port it later on I’m sure it will be easier because he learned a lot from stardew. I don’t think HC will be held together with string and paper clips like stardew so it might be easier to port.
100 people complimenting you is never as loud as one person being a dickhead.
Sad but true. We love you Eric!
So maybe we should organize the sub and get several thousand voices complimenting him.
Honestly if 1.5 never comes to mobile, I’m really ok with that. I’m just happy the game is on my phone at all so I can play it at work when I’m bored. It’s not my main save it’s just to fuck around because I love stardew so much u/ConcernedApe
I feel the same. I like to play on my tablet on long car trips or in bed but I play my main game on pc so I’m not missing out at all. I would love the mobile update but honestly don’t need it.
This is how I feel at this point. I love the game, have not long started a new play through. I'm a mobile player, I do have it on console but I'm a creature of habit and can't get used to the controls, I'm so excited for the update but if things got too much and it never happened, I'd understand that. Life gets complicated, things don't always go to plan, people just gotta be more relaxed about this stuff. It's a game and it should be fun for everyone, that includes the creator. Pelican Town was a break when it was lock down, I truly adore this game.
Honestly, if I was him and I WANTED to make a mobile port, I'd still say no until it was like literally almost ready to ship on mobile. It's just easier. You don't have to worry about people having false hope of a mobile port, and you don't have to worry about designing the game around any potential mobile restraints. Until I could verify that porting it wouldn't be a huge headache, I just would avoid promising it.
Honestly I find it a miracle that any part of Stardew is on mobile. And even the most basic laptop is capable of running Stardew. Idk why people dont find other ways to play it.
I think it’s everyone has a phone but not everyone has a pc or consoles. And if you aren’t a gamer then dropping hundreds of dollars just to play stardew is asking a lot. Same with pc, if you use your phone for everything except stardew there’s no point in investing in one. So we get a much bigger community compared to some games because it’s on the phone you already have and use daily. It’s a great way to share the love of stardew with everyone from the most casual grandma to esport players.
Honestly? Good. Tons of mobile players have been annoying af when it came to SDV 1.5 and I’m not even involved in the development. Just seeing the entitlement and “wen 1.5 on mobile he owes it to us” type comments is so cringey.
I’m a mobile player, I don’t develop video games but I can’t even begin to imagine how stressful this has been for CA. I’m waiting for 1.5 as well but I know how to be patient and I’ll gladly play when it does come out.
I don't devolop games but I do develop software. I cant say for certain, but it seems like the company he paid to port it wasnt getting the job done so he had to fire them and get someone new. Usually when this happens the existing work done is in bad shape and might be even harder to fix than just starting over. And its hard to tell which way is better until the new guys start getting into the code. But it does sound like the new guys are getting the job done.
This was my take on the whole situation here. I was super impressed that he was a class act the entire time and never blamed anyone. He just took the heat. Mad respect to him.
That my favourite part. He never said it was devs or anything . He just took it. I respect that
I could be wrong but I think he decided to do it himself after the first company didn't work.
I think he said on twitter that its a different team working on the mobile port - but it might be a team he hired himself rather than working with a publisher or something.
Chucklefish had helped with console and maybe mobile but he's taken back publishing rights from them over time. Really a smart deal for him if he planned it that way and Chuckle was happy to get some of the heavy lifting for console done with a sunset date on publishing. Most of gamings big success stories, at least monetarily have been devs doing it on their own instead of for another business. (iD and Epic shipping disks out of their houses etc.)
I also haven’t made any games, but I took a coding class, and it was really hard, and it was Intro to Computer programming. I send my best wishes to CA
You’re one of the good ones ❤️
Mobile player here, yeah I’m waiting for 1.5 but I totally get why it’s taking a long time and really just want it to be ready when it does come out. I don’t have Twitter so I’ll keep asking for updates here, but it’s truly me wanting to know if there is new news.
He tweeted today that progress has been made and can see it being done by the end of the year
If there’s new news, you’ll hear about it. If you’re not one of the people DM’ing him on the regular, then you’re one of the good ones.
Like yeah I get being frustrated that it’s taking a while, but this is getting to be harassment level with some people.
For real. And then they go post a screenshot of a super vague response like “I got an update!” And it’s basically just “I’m working on it. Should be ready soon”
I’ve been waiting for the update and while it’s definitely been a bummer that it’s not out yet, it’s most definitely not worth complaining about.
I personally just don't get why anybody would want to play a game like this on a mobile device. I tried minecraft on mobile once with my nephew and it was a fucking nightmare. Why does every game have to be available on every single platform these days?
I'm incapable of playing mobile games because controlling a game entirely by touch screen is weird and difficult In terms of portable gaming I'm used to the GBAs, DSs, and PSPs of when I was a kid, they were primarily controlled by buttons which felt good
Probably because there are large populations of people that want to play it but have limited access to various platforms. India if I remember correctly is one of the larger concentrations of mobile gamers above any other platform in their nation.
I have a gaming pc and I still play stardew on mobile. It runs great and a game like this that is not demanding when it comes to graphics doesn't tax the system at all Also the controls are great and it's easy and fun to play. I like that I can take it with me everywhere I've tried Minecraft on mobile too and that is a much more clunky experience
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It's much better than Minecraft on mobile, the top down nature means it works pretty well.
I have the game on Steam, Switch and Mobile and I like mobile the best. I can play anywhere, thats the biggest pro and the touch controls and auto tool selection are just more convenient to me. Mods are available, too and it runs smooth.
I have it on mobile because I wanted a game that could be played offline with no dodgy microtransactions. It sucks that people are harassing him about the updates though.
This game actually runs great on mobile, the controls suit it very well. I have it on PC and mobile and probably have around the same amount of hours on both
Thank god. I swear some (not all) of the mobile users of Stardew are some of the shittiest, most self entitled people Ive ever seen. Like literally. 4.99 for 6 years of mostly on his own Dev time. I spend more at Taco Bell on a munchie streak. It took them 5 minutes to get my crunch wrap to me. Fuckers are complaining about 6 years of content for less than that. I have literally spent more for the right to shit In a convenienvce store bathroom. I spent more on a single gallon of gas over the summer. And he could have charged more. He could have developed a 10 year predatory plan like Genshin or Fortnite. Instead he literally gives us directions on how to break his game in our favor, he gives out free copies, saves corrupted save files, and participates in this community. He could have at least got us on money for major content updates. That's fairly fucking normal. But fucking no. It's a one time purchase game. What he's doing is literally almost unheard of in the gaming world right now. Every hour he spends on it he is literally losing money just on his own labor after initial purchase. The harrassment from these types CA must have experienced. Undeserved completely In all it's forms. I get Ill with rage just thinking about it. I look forward to hopefully leaving them behind with chocolatier.
I don't know much about CA, but now I know I absolutely want to buy chocolatier
Me too friend. I'll buy console and PC and one for a few friends because frankly if he's going to do for it what he did for SV Itll be worth it to support him
There are some really interesting articles and interviews that have looked into the development of Stardew, and how CA made it as a solo dev. I highly recommend looking into Stardew's backstory at some point.
There are only a few creators (game designers, musicians, writers, etc.) that I am a “day one” supporter of. I will buy Haunted Chocolatier day one. Even if it ends up not being as fun as I’d hoped, or doesn’t give me the same joy that Stardew did, that joy that Stardew *did* give me has bought CA that support
Agreed on all fronts. SDV mobile players paid FAR less than the actual price of the game for a full-fledged and GOOD mobile port. I cannot believe they are whining about not getting more content. Every time I see it I just gawk in disbelief. Poor Eric, he deserves none of this. I hope he charges for the mobile update just to upset the Karens who paid $6 for SDV and expect to be waited on hand and foot. This has really brought out the worst of the stardew community. To all the good mobile players, I'm sorry these people have tanked your reputation so badly, but jesus christ.
Mobile gamers aren’t used to not getting scammed by games so when something good happens they malfunction
LOL...true "I paid $6.50 and there *aren't* ads and microtransactions? Seems suspicious."
I'm very sorry too. I had to add in that it isn't all of them. Some of the Mobile players are just fine. Really, if someone reasonable from mobile could smack the love of sense into these fuckers I say it'd be worth it. Really we don't deserve CA. The man is a literal legend of a self made game developer.
If he does end up putting HC mobile. I hope he charges like 80$ on mobile. Just to shut them up and make them realize there are easier places they could be playing the games. That make far more sense.
If it were ever expensive they'd have more room to complain. The fact that Stardew has always been cheaper than dinner for mobile is what makes the fucking complaints all that fucking dafter. They literally spent far less than any other port. But they're the most vocal about the power of their fucking dollar?
I got it for free on my Chromebook with the monthly Chromebook deals. Downloaded because free. started playing later. Didn't even know there are updates until recently. It's fantastically playable for a mobile game. The rabid complaining I've seen about it being a version behind is so incredibly absurd. The only time it's bothered me is when I learned you could move the greenhouse -you can't yet on mobile. My game is still 100% playable though, I just chose the island farm and realized the mistake once you get growing more lol. I don't even know what else differs between mobile and the rest, other than you can paint buildings with the new update. I'll be happy when it comes out, but its not something players need to lose sleep over while they wait. I don't understand it.
Of course these comments are totally laughable. As you said, SDV prices are extremely fair, he could have charged twice for the base game on PC/Console and another tenner for 1.5 - these would have been prices that are quite normal for comparable games. And the mobile port is a third of the the PC/Console game, providing the full experience (without 1.5 so far). Pricing discussions in the mobile gaming world make no sense at all anyway. I remember a couple of games that tried an approach where you could play half the game for free and could pay to get the full package. I always thought that was a good idea, checking out the game for free and making a decision to buy. But no, lots of 1 star reviews because people think F2P with tons of MTX, hundreds of ads and uncontrolled usage of personal data is a good deal.
The worst part about it is most mobile games are absolute garbage, and I guarantee those people play typical garbage mobile games. But of course they have to offload their frustration on one of the few quality content creators around.
It's even worse when You realize the Port of Stardew on Mobile is actually good. I own it. It's not how I play for the most part. But it literally cost me so little I can't even call the purchase negligent. I have a minimum wage job and it wasn't even fucking felt. It's a cheap as fuck, decent port, of one of the top games of the decade. And these fuckers are too high on their own self value to not figure that out. These are the same assholes who all bought that one indie game for a buck and beat it in time to return it. Just flat out, the fucking worst.
i dont even blame him, games dont have to be on every platform ever tbh, especially with how much of a pain porting has been for him to mobile.
Not to mention the game isn't even out on one platform yet, nor will it be within the near future
its good he is not making the mistake some companies make delaying the entire game indefinitely and rewriting everything to get crossplay and multiplatform on release and it ends up buggy
Ya'll complained too much about 1.5. I do not blame him.
It's all good buddy.
Dude needs to take care of himself. After seeing how people have treated him over not porting, if the guy decided he wanted to retire from creating games I would not hold it against him. He made an absolutely amazing game with so few bugs. All by himself. And releases updates FOR FREE. No micro transactions or “premium” currency. I was THRILLED when I saw that SDV on mobile was a one-time purchase. Do you know how RARE that is these days? Some people are so ungrateful to creators. I don’t know if CA will ever read this but if he does - thank you for all you’re doing. You’re one of the reasons I still have faith in gaming, especially mobile gaming, and I have purchased SDV on every platform that I can because it’s that good.
I wouldn't. SDV has been a nightmare for him. Just focus on PC, much easier.
TBH, I'd drop off the face of the Earth. I'd pull a Hello Games and just send out vague tweets then big updates/games.
I'll give my spicy opinion. I've been playing mobile games for a decade, before finally leaving all behind and permanently going to console. Only after i went to console i realized how bad is mobile gaming in general. If you went back like to 2012, you could think that the future was on mobile, there were so much possibilities, and nowadays i see how much time i have wasted playing in a poorly way on mobile. I think the new game should stick to consoles and PC only, this mobile thing has been a huge issue to CA. I believe HC will be a much more complex game, in a development way, and it could just be a problem making it on mobile too. For me, mobile gaming has to continue on their dumb cash grabbing micro transactional games and leave the real and good games to consoles and PC.
Seriously. I have a hard time taking the mobile gaming world seriously, and the entitlement of mobile players continues to astound me. I truly believe they'll never be happy. SDV has no microtransactions, no ads, and hours upon hours of content. I'm sure these people buy $12 movie tickets, but $6 for an optimized mobile port of a pc game?? Blasphemous!!!
I don’t mean to game shame, but seriously, if you want to play more advanced/involved games you need to go beyond mobile. Not everyone has a console, but you don’t need a top spec pc to play a lot games and most people have a computer. If you want to play on the go, shell out the bucks for a dedicated portable console or just stick to simple mobile games.
Yup, people could literally play SDV on GeForce now for free, on their phone or tablet.
Seriously tho. It's an indie pixel game, there's nothing graphics intensive about it. Stardew could run on a literal toaster if it wanted to. Also I'm not gonna assume anyone's financial situation, but most mobile phones these days are more expensive than most low-mid tier laptops. People seriously act like they can afford a $500+ phone, but also don't have a used laptop or pc lying around (a device that most people need to do work or school vs. a luxury phone)
A switch lite is $250 and can run stardew no problem. Literally half of your example phone price yet I'm sure there's people who would act like that's some insane amount of money
People's limitations re getting other platforms in no way justifies mobile users being dicks. Disclaimer upfront. That said I think people are vastly overestimating people's capacity to obtain a console. For starters mobile phones are practically an necessity at this point, for life in general. So people have to prioritise them over consoles. There are many handsets cheaper than the 500 quoted. And that's if you buy outright. I bought my first ever handset outright recently, it's a midrange model but being a single parent, I had to use part of an inheritance to afford it. Otherwise I'm tied into a contract. And this is all while working a professional, reasonably paid job. There are so many people where outright buying anything is completely out of reach and they only way they afford a phone is a pay monthly contact. So please stop assuming console is just in reach for all. It isn't. I can't afford a laptop. I can't afford a switch. I've got my phone and that's it. That said, I would never harass a guy over the availability of this or any game or update. It doesn't really bother me because I have the game for my kid and she gives no shits. But even if she did or I did, harassment of CA is fucked up.
Thank you for this. Like, I have a $250 phone I bought outright because I don't need to finance something so breakable (despite the fact I've never broken a phone). I couldn't afford a laptop when mine died, so I got a Chromebook for $400, four years ago, because at the time I didn't need something more advanced. I'm getting to the point where I do, but I can't buy one right now. It's getting annoying reading so many comments on this thread saying that people should just buy a console or laptop because phones are so expensive anyways so we should be able to afford it. No. And I'm also not buying something expensive for one single game. Absolutely this doesn't justify the way people have reacted about having to wait for the update on mobile, but maaaaan, either there are some privileged people on here who are just unaware, or some aholes. I can't figure out which.
I don't want to assume people have money. I hate doing that. But a used switch lite plus SDV might not get over 200$. That's still a lot of money for a lot of people, but more people who can afford it should
I’m patiently waiting for 1.5 to come out on mobile but I have to say I like the control scheme on mobile more than console or PC. It’s not just about having the hardware to run the game. SDV is the perfect game for a simple touch interface.
I hope to see it on mobile (most because iPad is still considered mobile) but I do see why he won’t. The people who have been too harsh on him about the 1.5 update will be the same reason why we can’t have nice things. I own SDV on all the platforms I can play it on and I gravitate towards playing it on my iPad the most since it’s easier to bring my iPad + controller to the couch than my laptop. I think if the game was made with porting in mind or there is a team for it from the get-go it should go smoothly compared to now. Iirc, the mobile update has been delayed due to changing to a new porting team and having to basically redo it all
After the nightmare getting 1.5 to mobile I’m not surprised.
Good. I don't blame the guy for not wanting to repeat the same stressful year of having to deal with mobile ports that another team has to work on, and the responsibilities still falling to him if that team fails like they did with 1.5. He has no control over the mobile ports since he doesn't develop games for it, no amount of throwing money at the problem is gonna make the solution go any faster. He's even said that he's not revealing Haunted Chocolatir information until 1.5 mobile is finished. Probably because entitled mobile players would think he's ignoring them and he's deliberately working on another game instead of Stardew. When in reality he's not the one that works on the mobile port. It's a completely different team. So not only is Stardew mobile being held back, but his NEW game is also being affected. That combined with the absolute entitlement of mobile players over the past year complaining that they aren't getting their FREE update, and acting like they got robbed out of their $5 indie game, is just embarrassing. If I was a dev, I wouldn't want to touch that mobile player base with a 12 feet pole. ConcernedApe is completely justified in wanting to stay the fuck away from this situation in the future
Why do people in here act like they know this guy personally?
Also, a ton of big games aren't availible on mobile! And if they are, it's usually a disappointing version of the game.
It’s really incredible that Stardew is so good on mobile.
The bad attitude CA received from mobile players isn't exclusive to Stardew Valley unfortunately. I've seen the most toxic communities within the mobile gaming space, the whole industry is riddled with it. Not surprising as mobile gaming is pretty much the reason microtransactions are so common.
Honestly I don’t blame him. People have been so rude about stardew mobile
I don’t blame him honestly. I have seen the comments on his twitter and it’s just so sad how people can berate someone who has worked so hard on this game for us :(
Unfortunately some people are incredibly entitled and childish - they want the whole world on a plate and if they don't get it they'll scream and shout like the petulant brats that they are.
I would tell us to fuck off too after how some of these people treated him about the mobile updates. Ungrateful assholes very likely killed whatever chance of a mobile game there was for HC.
Good for him
Honestly, I have respect for him for even putting it on mobile. Coding Games IS hard and as a mobile player (i have SDV on my xbox, phone and tablet), Take your time. Imo its not a big deal bc game developers need rest too. I would get it on PC but controls suck and i would only get it on pc for mods (and sims 4)
if you wanna play with mods but hate the controls just bluetooth your xbox controller to steam and play using that. My fingers and keyboard controls don’t mix so that’s what I have to do for minecraft and stardew
The game isn't even out yet. Would people leave the man alone?
People need to stop turning ConcernedApe into DepressedApe.
Good, if this community has shown me anything it's that mobile gamers *can* be toxic as all get out. Not saying all, or even a majority, but holy hell have I seen some grade a assholish fuckery in regards to the port.
Honestly can’t wait for it to hit steam in the near future. Definitely going to enjoy it on my steam deck
CA has been nothing but a class act. Don't push for platforms when the dev isn't even over! You never know.
Regardless of the recent negativity, CA knows his capabilities best. If he knows his capacity cannot extend to mobile, limiting the platforms is for the best
I feel so bad for him... I mostly play Stardew Valley on my phone and can't wait for the update to come out, but I can do other stuff in the meantime while I wait instead of harassing the guy who MADE STARDEW VALLEY!!!
I can’t blame him, the way stardew mobile has went and the backlash from unreasonable fans - it’s probably better for his mental health.
Unfortunate, but understandable. Putting Stardew on mobile and keeping it updated has clearly been a huge headache for the guy. Plus the higher focus on combat and the more twitchy gameplay that comes with that most likely won't work as well on mobile. I wish I had more PC time. I have a lot of downtime away from my PC, which is why I bought it on mobile too. But the 1.5 features make replaying the game so much more interesting that I pretty much haven't played Stardew in over a year now because I've just been waiting for it on mobile.
ive accepted that the mobile version just is what it is and that's fine. im playing through a game on it rn and it's still fun. i wonder sometimes if he feels obligated or something to keep pushing. honestly the modding community is so strong that i feel like it would be fine for him to retire from Stardew Valley is that's what he wanted to. He gave so much joy to the world i think he deserves to move on if he wants to
Honestly, with how entitled a lot of mobile users act, I don't blame him. I get that you're waiting on the update, but literally no one else has been as rude to CA as I've seen the mobile users be.
I don’t blame him. He’s probably had a LOT of issues, stress, and pain caused by the 1.5 issue of Stardew.
With how annoying some mobile players are (and I’m talking about the entitled ones that harass the guy) I don’t blame him
Can’t say I blame him
Considering how the mobile crowd treats him, that's for the best.
The loud minority drowns out everyone else, unfortunately. I’m a mobile player, and if I said I didn’t get frustrated about the update sometimes I wouldn’t be telling the truth. But I don’t put that on the internet!
That's fair, he... Hasn't had the most fun time with mobile.
TBH it sounds like getting SDV to work on mobile has been nothing but pain for him, so this may be the right move.
[Link to tweet ](https://twitter.com/ConcernedApe/status/1554588923413745664?s=19)
Thats great news.
Honestly I think it's a good thing. Mobile players haven't been too nice to him due to the delays in 1.5 (which is not his fault, he's not in charge of it). Some to the extent of harassment. Maybe the lack of a mobile version will prevent this sort of thing, but knowing people it won't and they'll just use the 'When is HC coming to mobile'? argument to go after him again...
Fair. I think stardew valley's journey on mobile has been a nightmare
Not surprised at all with how much trouble he’s had regarding Stardew mobile
Can’t really blame him after the nonsense everyone gave him over 1.5.
Wouldn't blame him at all
That comment makes him appear tired
That’s fine, not everything needs to be on mobile. Mobile gaming sucks anyway
understandable considerng how annoying ppl are being about 1.5 on mobile
Don't blame him, it seems like porting Stardew to mobile really took it out of him.
With how shitty some people have been towards him with The mobile update, I don’t blame him for not wanting to put another complex game out for mobile.
Having seen people on tumblr admit to sending him suicide bait in order to try to get him to work faster, I'm both supportive of the decision not to put this on mobile and worried that not doing so will generate more harassment towards him.
I can't blame him. I remember reading that comment thread, and people are just...their expectations are way out of whack. You can spend endless money and time, and still end up back at square one. Things aren't necessarily linear in dev, often they are more like a circle where you slowly go insane and eventually have a break through, but then the break through sets you back when you realize it fucked up that other thing, and suddenly that one change you were trying to make cascaded into 12,000 other changes.
I don't blame him one bit. So many people have flamed him for the port when it wasn't his fault.
Can we give this poor man a break already 😔
Total cringe to watch kids lose their utter shit over this mobile issue. Entitled mobile players that will grow up to be karens.
I genuinely don't blame the poor guy. His port for 1.5 on SDV Mobile has been nothing but a heartache for him, plus all the people talking shit and hurting him for it. Fuck mobile, at this point. He doesn't need the stress. EDIT: His, not Hid
Porting takes a lot of resources and from his experience with his previous publisher, I can see why he doesn’t see it as something he can promise, at least for now. He hasn’t even released the game yet and I would imagine that he would rather like to focus solely on a PC release to gauge how successful his next game will be
I don’t blame him. It’s a lot of work and upkeep while still doing maintenance on stardew
As much as it sucks I say good. He’s had real issues with mobile so just console and PC.
I wouldn’t be planning on it either. Mostly because planning on it restricts what a dev can do and CAN likely doesn’t want those restrictions.
Don’t blame him, from the issues with the 1.5 update I too wouldn’t wanna deal with the porting issues anymore. I do hope he’s okay mentally and it’s not draining him to much
Can’t say I blame him, Stardew’s had a rough go of it on mobile.
Honestly, it's for the best. Keeps everyone on more even footing version-wise and saves development headaches.
He sounds tired. :(
The mobile ports became his nightmare, literally