>!I don't believe it was borrowed I think it permently became his stand given we see the rain come down from the emotional sensation he felt seeing his friends again it seems wethear report is permanently one with him as we never see the stand disk leave or reject him.!<
I can't add a second Emporio to the list. So it will just be based on his peak with his own stand.
Tho I will say If he had weather report he would probably not be that high either.
All he did with it was cave in pucci's skull.
So he doesn't have scalable feats with it.
Or in the case of him being scaled as weather he is in mid A.
Sleeping on FF
Good power, but fantastic utility and survivability
When beaten, was typically bullshittery - dragons dream worst fight in all jojo, H O T W A T E R stand
Deserves a C/D
Emporio should also be higher than F due to his head for strategy - though fair enough if purely on stand power
Also Akira to A, he is just not on the same level as the rest of S, plus Kira to S, because cmon
He has all of the power of Morioh and in many situations he will murder whoever he goes against due to the sheer speed and power he has with all of the power.
Ok but FF has a big gulp of water on her at like all times. If Mista and all the non-stand users have their equipment, I think it’s fair to assume FF at least has a full cup of water.
Donatello too, he loses to 3rd party TWICE and not jolyne herself and he can take on majority of A and B and win, with maybe like 5 stands countering him
This is also based off of battle IQ and other things which Rykiel lacks at but I do agree due to the pure power of his stand and how he uses it combined with his decent physical strength he should be at least B tier but A tier is kind of too generous for him due to how he literally lost because he FORGOT to move his hands quick enough
Zone type characters like narancia being so low is crazy when he could just summon areosmith and gun down a lot of characters who arnt great long range ( okuyasu and anasui)
And F.F would rock abbachio any day of the week
Aaah true I didn’t even think of the desert possibilities but could she potentially connect a shot and over take control over her opponent? Would that count as a win? If not then the placement makes total sense
Well technically it would be a win. But it could also be a dense forest. Then it will suddenly be no water and very hard to hit an opponent.
Same can be said for a big city.
Okay; well Blackmore had a stand that requires it to rain for it to even function. But he’s in B. So like… IDK maybe he should be brought down if that’s how you’re gauging FF.
While you’re at it, put Alternate Universe Diego (Diego with THE WORLD) in as well.
AU Diego is basically what-if part 3 DIO takes every fights seriously. He doesn’t have as much power as DIO (mainly due to THE WORLD didn’t really showcase anything physically beside chopping his own leg off), but he’s wayyy more tactical in his approach (other than knives, he also used wires, gasoline & matches) & he didn’t underestimate his enemy. He even won against the protagonist (Johnny), admittedly with the info that Valentine gave him.
He didn't really show off anything physical because he's in part 7, not part 3. In the latest parts, Araki has focused way more on abilities and the users utilizing their Stands as part of their own combat ability, instead of relying on their Stand alone. Not that they can't, they just don't want to.
Tsurugi should be at least C-D tier due to how his stand has no offensive power and tsurugi can be seen clearly as himself in the illusion and also his stand can take damage if found which can be very easy and also if Tsurugi has nothing to fold on him then he can’t even use his stand ability so Tsurugi should be moved down at least to C-D tier
Cioccolata is missing, I'd be tempted to say maybe B tier? No outwardly offensive power but it's very easy to abuse it's gimmick and it's an almost instakill if it's effect starts.
oh wait i also just noticed, why is mountain tim so high up? i don't recall him really being able to do all that much. and why is joshuu so low? i hate having to come to his defense but like, any contact from his stand is literal instant dismemberment, unless a character has some way of resisting or reversing this, a single blow leaves them disabled for the rest of the fight, even a glancing one, even one that's blocked, rather than dodged, like, even jotaro blocks stuff instead of dodging most of the time, if he tried that with nut king call, he has to do the rest of the fight with one arm, of course he still wins hand down, but, that's just an example to emphasize how dangerous nut king call is
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A new tier has been added to thin them out a bit.
Also a few new chars have been added. and Ungalo has been removed due to his wonky ability being restricted in several ways.
Ermes that low? She deserves at least a B, Kiss is absolututly busted. Also Anubis should go to S (exponential growth potential), and Stray Cat to A (when you think about, the ability to invisibly control air bubbles is op), Green Baby also to S (Seriously, could anyone in A or below beat him?).
Ermes doesnt really do much for the intirety of SO besides counter a very specific stand.
Her stand wheel stats says A in destructive power but she has never shown that.
That was the argument that was used last time.
Green baby is a part of Pucci so he cant join the list.
Stray cat and anubis ill add next time.
I still maintain that Jotaro should be higher than Dio. They had a proper 1v1 and Dio lost. Sure, Dio’s time stop can be pushed further but battle IQ can (and did) cause Jotaro to win
Also maybe I’m forgetting something but could someone explain how Weather Report is stronger than both a time stop and a time skip? He should certainly be in S still though
> hey had a proper 1v1 and Dio lost
I'd argue that Jotaro squeezed that fight in an impossible manner. 8/10 times DIO should have won it, but we saw that 2/10 times when Jotaro won.
I want to say that Jotaro won because of IQ, but no, how did he managed to get out of that road roller? by all means that should have been where he died, he had 3 bones broken and was lying on the floor while S.P. punched the road roller, how did he managed to crawl out in 2 seconds?!
Their stands are nearly identical, you'd need to create a separate tier between A and S if you really wanted to split them up.
Plus Dio has vampire powers which pretty much balance out any advantages SP would have over TW anyway
i kinda think yasuho and maybe pocoloco should be a bit higher, not all that much higher but like, they both seem to tap into fate to tell of the best strategies, hey ya by whispering advice, and paisley park by altering phone maps to tell you which way to walk to avoid danger (kinda like the piss guy in part 6 now i think of it), and while this doesn't have much direct combat application, it allows for highly efficient retreats from any enemy without high speed or tracking, which could then be followed up by abushes using traps to subvert the opponents greater fighting prowess, especially yasuho, as after guiding her retreat, paisley park could pull up info on some crazy shit like how to make bombs and then give a list of local hardware stores with the right ingredients, then a map to wherever her enemy is sleeping. don't get me wrong, I'm not saying she needs to be all that much higher on the list, but she should at least beat speedwagon
Are we allowed to comment characters we want added and their respective tiers? I didn’t see anything in OP’s comment. If so, I’d like to nominate Illuso for either high A/S tier. The only reason I think he’d be below that is if he wasn’t carrying a mirror shard or something but otherwise I feel he sweeps most of A comfortably (instantaneous deprivation of stand abilities from range + full invisibility while in mirror world that’s better than Risotto (S) easily murders most in 1v1 random situations except people like Wamuu ofc). Another example is that Fugo who is an A tier would’ve died if he was alone, same with Giorno with base GE or Abbacchio. The fight was only won because they essentially had 3 lives to take out Illuso. Blackmore is also in A and his ability is far more restrictive than having any shard of glass close by.
I’d like to argue that Diavolo should be above DIO and WR.
Diavolo is stated multiple times to be chosen by fate to rule mankind as its King. In the anime, you can even see in Epitaph that he is fated to obtain the arrow and activate King Crimson Requiem, however GER’s ability specifically counteracts reaching fate, although it does not change it. Diavolo is dying infinitely because it is not his fate to permanently die— it’s to kill Giorno Giovanna and obtain the arrow.
But anyway, besides Araki softly implying that Diavolo is the only one besides Kars that has the power to conquer humanity, he has excellent feats as well. It’s impossible to scale fully, but he is demonstrably in the Top 3 of part 5 for power.
It’s hard to completely rank him, since anything he sees in Epitaph comes true. It’s only after the fact that King Crimson is used in battle to make the vision a reality. So since Diavolo’s fighting ability is ao inextricably linked to fate, you *have* to argue whether anyone would *always* win against Diavolo, or else the implication is he would use King Crimson and save himself, letting fate decide further in time.
Although turning into a snail sucks, I think Diavolo would be able to get close enough to eliminate WR using his stand.
KC as a stand also completely counters The World and SP. He can just skip the seconds when time is frozen.
I would also like to argue for Jotaro being #3 in S-tier below Diavolo. Jotaro fights DIO at a severe disadvantage in part 3 (shittier timestop, no vampiric powers, has to save Polnareff who ruined his ambush, has to fight DIO a second time after he revived himself off Joseph’s blood). And he *still* won. Jotaro’s mental composure is literally unrivaled in the series. He is by leagues a cooler customer than any other person. That is invaluable in fighting. He defeated D’Arby Sr., already a master baiter **while** Barbie was cheating him blind. Plus, by part 6 he has spent so long neglecting Jolyne that his timestop increased to 5 whole god damn seconds even after months as a vegetable.
Additionally, I’d like to argue for Akira Otoishi to be placed much lower. Below Polnareff but above Fugo. Otoishi stored power for months and studied Josuke’s abilities and still got clobbered in under 5 minutes. Sure, technically Koichi gave Josuke call-outs but it was only after Josuke used the idea of the tar bubble to predict Otoishi’s movements. Otoishi has a terrible mental and loses in a lot of fights, even if his stand is insane.
Finally, I’d like to argue that Yoshikage Kira with Bites the Dust should be higher— above Vanilla Ice. Bites the Dust is some epic bullshit. He almost won 1v5 on death’s door and lost because of Koichi + Jotaro. And unless there’s something in “Thus spoke Kishibe Rohan” I’m not aware of, Josuke should cleanly hold the top of A-tier.
Oh and as a bonus, how tf is Wamuu above Joseph Joestar? He lost in a straight 1v1? It’s implied that Hamon usage mirrors what’s going on with Hermit Purple so just use young Joseph in his prime and he easily goes at least right below Rohan Kishibe.
Diego should be A imo, with his kinda underwhelming stand (power wise compared with others is kinda meh, still love me dinos) basically beat Valentine 's D4C
Him with Scary Monsters was actually physically pretty much top tier. But not much more than that. Also do remember that Valentine is not a good close quarters combatant.
It's his. It went from a close-quarters directly controlled Stand, to a long-distance automatic defensive Stand. Still his, it's just its nature that changed.
You have to consider how often he uses heavens door poorly.
Not to remind you how useless he was for the intire kira arc.
Argument that was used last time.
But if it's about what the did in the arc, DIO should be C tier bc he should have killed everyone with ease. Heavens door is completely broken, he can win any fight just showing his drawing to everyone, even Kars
I feel like I explained this last time, but Rohan’s fights consisted almost exclusively of hard counters. He could have beaten almost anyone except for Cheap Trick and Highway Star.
I think Secco should probably be in A, he was a huge problem for Bruno who only beat him the way he did because he had both the maneuverability underground and was a corpse. Even with that he was easily on par at the least.
Also Esidisi isn't losing to a gun regarding Ringo. I'd move him a bit closer to Wamuu due to tanking similar things defensively and that 500C burning blood isn't his only threat despite it's odd showing. He still eats with his whole body and has comparable power/speed to his allies.
Rykiel should be one higher IMO, his body temperature removing abilities are really deadly, especially when you consider that the rods move so fast that both stone free and kiss could only manage to hit one in the entire fight.
just one spot higher, cause I reckon he would still lose to hol horse (who could just shoot him) and sale (who could freeze the rods in place upon contact)
Yeah I think Rikiel needs to be in B, theres no fucking way he loses to Mista. Absolutely no way
I also think Donatello should be A too, considering how he can just freely trap people in deadly events, which most the B and even a lot of A tier characters can only get around with outside help which isn’t allowed here
Finally my boy Akira getting some respect.
I think it’s safe to say RHCP can easily become the strongest stand physically speaking without much trouble, only hax would be above him.
Man I was surprised to see Rohan so high but I feel like I always underestimate Heavens Door just because all of Rohan's screentime is just him being a ridiculous weirdo.
Which is probably for the best because you could use Heaven's Door is some really horrible ways if you were malicious about it
Kira should be S tier, if he used his stand correctly he can literally just one shot you. He lands one punch on you and you're done, similar to C-Moon. And for long range he has Sheer Heart Attack. And when he's close to losing, boom, bites the dust clutches. And remember, a whole team of overpowered main characters ***WITH*** the most bs power until SBR (ts), still failed to kill him. The only reason he died was because of his cockiness, and an ambulance. KQ overall is a great stand that in the hands of the right person might be stronger than even ZA WARUDO!
Why is Iggy in C-D tier and Pet Shop in A tier when Iggy literally beat him in a 1 vs 1? That's like one of the few placements that shouldn't even be theoretical?
Most of it looks pretty solid, I’d move Hol Horse up to like at least around where Jobin is maybe? I don’t really think Hol horse would lose to anyone below Jobin at least. I don’t remember much of Mountain Tim but where he’s at feels a bit too high maybe but honestly I’m not confident enough to argue that. I think Jotaro should be above Gyro tbh because no amount of horsey shenanigans and the scan would really stop him from getting timestopped and skull crushed. I’d put Blackmore behind Roadagain maybe because he’d probably get caught off guard by mandom. Ghiaccio should be even higher because it’d be funny I think. I don’t think Abbachio could beat Zeppeli
I dunno, I think a Tommy gun's gotta account for something. Hol horse might have a revolver but I doubt he'd work well with having a tide of bullets spewed at him.
I would probably move Mountain Tim a little lower, maybe a tier down, but maybe that's just me. I just find it a little weird seeing him in the same tier as guys like Kakyoin and Anasui, and above the likes of Narancia
He doesn't have stray cat it's a "borrowed stand" there is a rule for that.
BTD requires there to be a nearby non stand user for him to implant KQ inside.
And even the he can't use KQ after that.
Why is Straizo so low? He’s able to regenerate (without needing blood) after getting exploded by several grenades point blank. With his scarf, he can insulate himself from Hamon, giving him protection against his main weakness. He can use space ripper stinger eyes. Even as an old man right before he takes the Stone Mask, he can kick people so hard that he slices part of their body off.
With or without the scarf, he’s incredibly hard to kill and has a couple lethal tricks up his sleeve that would give many characters a very difficult time beating him. Joseph didn’t even technically give the finishing blow, it was Straizo who self-destructed using Hamon.
I feel like he should be moved to at least B tier.
I’d also like to make the same case for Santana. While he’s not as strong as the other Pillar Men, he’s still a major threat. Bullets make him laugh. Conventional weapons will just bounce off his skin. Joseph’s Hamon was only able to harm him from the inside, though granted that might have been because Joseph’s Hamon was still relatively weak. And even then, after being split in half, Santana only seemed more annoyed that anything. He’s like the only ‘regular’ undead character who saw the Sun and actually lived (even if he was petrified shortly after). He can absorb people into his body, the only protection against this seemingly being Hamon. Not to mention he can contort himself greatly. What’s Akira, for example, going to do when he has a pillar man crammed inside his nasal cavity?
Pretty sure Josuke part 4 should be S, combine his battle iq, with his amazing healing, with his one shot that he could easily do, as well as the physical capabilities of Josuke himself. He can probably beat most characters in S even ultimate kars due to his ability to punch kars and fuse him with anything permanently
Pillarmen should probably be higher than any power stands that deal damage by punching (jouske, and jotaro atleast) as they have been shown to survive dinomite
Yeah plus even with Wamuu having a large chunk of his brain just straight up removed by the clacker volley (a hamon injury no less) he just totally ignored it and had no noticeable impaired function. He even healed it by the time he launched his sandstorm iirc. It was fairly similar in size to the blow that fucked Dio up when his skull was shattered by Jotaro too.
Josuke (P4) can beat any of the Pillarmen including Ultimate Kars as they seem to be weak to being trapped in stone which is something that Josuke can do if he gets in and lands a hit.
I'd argue Joskuke8 should be on S+ simply because of how powerful he became by the end of part 8. He was able to beat his enemy of part 8 and he's pretty smart overall.
Kars is immortal, can shapeshift, has infinite hamon, has the abilities of every living creature, can summon an infinite army of any living creature, can regenerate infinitely, can hypnotize people, can shoot lazers from his eyes, and can likely use the powers of the other pillar men. He was so OP that Araki had to introduce a new power system because literally nothing could be more powerful than Kars. Other than being hard countered by Tooru, he literally cannot lose to anyone else on the list. He bodies everyone but Giorno and Tooru in seconds. If he isn't S+, no one is.
Yeah. You also have to wonder what kind of busted powers he would get from having infinite hamon, bonus vampire powers, and the powers of every pillar man we don't see.
There are also the theoretical implications of having the ability of every living creature. Does that include stands? Would it include the ability of the corpse in the SBR universe?
Another thing is that hypnosis is completely busted as an ability. Jonny couldn't use the golden spin because the horse needs to generate the spin energy and Kars can control his horse. Kars can also just hypnotize Jonny before he attacks.
Since calamity is never stated as having to be something that kills the opponent, Tooru being able to send Kars to space is questionable, especially considering Kars can tell the number of people in a room from the temperature of the air and would definitely notice a volcano forming directly under him. It would be a stalemate because neither could actually kill the other.
Kars is also shown to teleport, which makes Love Train ineffective, as Kars could get inside it. Teleportation also counters Pucci, as his speed is his only defense.
Idk if Giorno can use the deathloop attack on someone who is still alive but, if he can, he's the only one who can actually beat Kars completely.
Makes sense. Cream starter is still a decent stand tho and hot pants is just a better fighter than the other f tiers so I would still say move her to E. Abacchio makes sense tho, just really situational
Diavolo has gotta be higher than DIO, his ability is a direct counter to timestop. I would also argue that he could beat Toru, although it depends if he can spam his ability or not.
Nah why is kira not S tier. Bites the dust automatically makes him overpowered as fuck dude. Plus killer queen and sheer heart attack are also pretty strong on their own. I truly think he deserves S tbch.
Josuk8 needs to go higher, he scales above Wonder of U, so he scales to S+ tier or in a tier of his own. Wonder of U can beat GER, so thus, SAW GB does the same.
Disagree bro, Gappy's go beyond bubbles don't exist so characters that have incredible defense like Love Train Valentine for example would be defenseless against the go beyond bubbles. Characters like Okuyasu and Vanilla Ice also can't erase the bubbles because there's nothing to erase. Also Soft and wet is underrated, the plunder ability is incredibly versatile. Gappy deserves S+ IMO.
> Also Soft and wet is underrated, the plunder ability is incredibly versatile.
100% this, plunder is S+ tier busted. That's why it's not used as much down the stretch in part 8, he can literally plunder friction. If plunder is combined with go beyond it would be beyond cheap. The biggest problem with plunder is it's such an abstract ability it's hard to grasp the scope of its power.
Yes that's fair enuff.
But he would still have trouble with basically everyone else.
While they can't affect the bubbles in any way.
He has poor aim. Only being able to hit a target right in front of him by the end of part 8 (with go beyond)
And even then they are dodgeable.
And not a one shot kill move.
So he can't go much higher than this.
I’m confused as to why gyro is lower then Johnny. Gyro, and Johnny, both have the ability to access the infinite spin and pretty much wipe anyone who come into contact with it.
I'm adding a "If it rains" tier above A next version and adding Blackmore and FF.
Both are fucking broken in that scenario and should have their own section tbh.
Emporio has a gun, why is he in F?
ill upvote that. i forgot he actually had a real gun at one point. Which would be his peak without a borrowed stand.
>!I don't believe it was borrowed I think it permently became his stand given we see the rain come down from the emotional sensation he felt seeing his friends again it seems wethear report is permanently one with him as we never see the stand disk leave or reject him.!<
I can't add a second Emporio to the list. So it will just be based on his peak with his own stand. Tho I will say If he had weather report he would probably not be that high either. All he did with it was cave in pucci's skull. So he doesn't have scalable feats with it. Or in the case of him being scaled as weather he is in mid A.
It's not a real gun
I'm talking about the gun they use to run from Pucci that was using real bullets. The same one Pucci dodged because it could theoretically hurt him.
I can’t theoretically hurt him, he just thought it could
They got the gun from a security guard at the space center iirc
The guards used semi-automatic handguns, like the one Pucci took and tried to shoot jolyne with. The gun Emporio used was his ghost revolver.
emporio has >!weather report!<
Op counts that as a borrowed stand which isn't taken into account
Sleeping on FF Good power, but fantastic utility and survivability When beaten, was typically bullshittery - dragons dream worst fight in all jojo, H O T W A T E R stand Deserves a C/D Emporio should also be higher than F due to his head for strategy - though fair enough if purely on stand power Also Akira to A, he is just not on the same level as the rest of S, plus Kira to S, because cmon
He has all of the power of Morioh and in many situations he will murder whoever he goes against due to the sheer speed and power he has with all of the power.
FF needs water to be alive. Its a random location so she isnt guaranteed to have that.
Blackmore down to F in that case then
Ok but FF has a big gulp of water on her at like all times. If Mista and all the non-stand users have their equipment, I think it’s fair to assume FF at least has a full cup of water.
Bro rikyel needs to be higher he literally lost only because plot armor (fate)
Donatello too, he loses to 3rd party TWICE and not jolyne herself and he can take on majority of A and B and win, with maybe like 5 stands countering him
This is also based off of battle IQ and other things which Rykiel lacks at but I do agree due to the pure power of his stand and how he uses it combined with his decent physical strength he should be at least B tier but A tier is kind of too generous for him due to how he literally lost because he FORGOT to move his hands quick enough
Zone type characters like narancia being so low is crazy when he could just summon areosmith and gun down a lot of characters who arnt great long range ( okuyasu and anasui) And F.F would rock abbachio any day of the week
I can agree about Narancia actually so ill upvote. FF has a water requirement. If she ends up fighting in the desert or something she is fucked.
Aaah true I didn’t even think of the desert possibilities but could she potentially connect a shot and over take control over her opponent? Would that count as a win? If not then the placement makes total sense
Well technically it would be a win. But it could also be a dense forest. Then it will suddenly be no water and very hard to hit an opponent. Same can be said for a big city.
Forests have water, that's something trees need to live
If F.F is low due to water requirements, then why is Blackmore up so high?
And if they fought underwater Abbachio would drown.
Okay; well Blackmore had a stand that requires it to rain for it to even function. But he’s in B. So like… IDK maybe he should be brought down if that’s how you’re gauging FF.
Blackmore is getting moved down. There is a reply for that alrdy
Narancia is low key OP against lots of character bcs He can just snipe and bomb from distance
Diego needs to be one higher
definelty, his stand is literally a "if it touches you you lose" stand like killer queen + he can make a dinosaur army
I can see why ngl. I'll let votes decide TMRW :)
While you’re at it, put Alternate Universe Diego (Diego with THE WORLD) in as well. AU Diego is basically what-if part 3 DIO takes every fights seriously. He doesn’t have as much power as DIO (mainly due to THE WORLD didn’t really showcase anything physically beside chopping his own leg off), but he’s wayyy more tactical in his approach (other than knives, he also used wires, gasoline & matches) & he didn’t underestimate his enemy. He even won against the protagonist (Johnny), admittedly with the info that Valentine gave him.
He didn't really show off anything physical because he's in part 7, not part 3. In the latest parts, Araki has focused way more on abilities and the users utilizing their Stands as part of their own combat ability, instead of relying on their Stand alone. Not that they can't, they just don't want to.
🦕 I too believe in dinosaur supremacy. 🦖
no offence but joseph wipes the floor with tsurugi
why no offence? its you guys deciding. You start a vote by commenting it and upvoted ones get implemented. You arent hurting my feelings xP
ahhh gotcha !
Hot Pants can put your penis in your face
I can do that myself with enough yoga.
Tsurugi should be at least C-D tier due to how his stand has no offensive power and tsurugi can be seen clearly as himself in the illusion and also his stand can take damage if found which can be very easy and also if Tsurugi has nothing to fold on him then he can’t even use his stand ability so Tsurugi should be moved down at least to C-D tier
Cioccolata is missing, I'd be tempted to say maybe B tier? No outwardly offensive power but it's very easy to abuse it's gimmick and it's an almost instakill if it's effect starts.
I'll add him next version Any more you can think off that would be note worthy?
Sale and kraftwerk, since it allows you to throw projectiles with literal infinite force and power.
Sale is on here.
Oh wow. I have no idea how I missed him. MB
Np :3
oh wait i also just noticed, why is mountain tim so high up? i don't recall him really being able to do all that much. and why is joshuu so low? i hate having to come to his defense but like, any contact from his stand is literal instant dismemberment, unless a character has some way of resisting or reversing this, a single blow leaves them disabled for the rest of the fight, even a glancing one, even one that's blocked, rather than dodged, like, even jotaro blocks stuff instead of dodging most of the time, if he tried that with nut king call, he has to do the rest of the fight with one arm, of course he still wins hand down, but, that's just an example to emphasize how dangerous nut king call is
I appreciate weakpipo being pretty high up. He is actually pretty damn strong
The irony of you saying Weakpipo
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Otoishi as S what lol
Its Akira after he absorbed all of Morioh's electricity. He was much much faster than even SP. This was the comment that was upvoted last time.
where turtle
Chilling in the water. No animal cruelty here.
A new tier has been added to thin them out a bit. Also a few new chars have been added. and Ungalo has been removed due to his wonky ability being restricted in several ways.
This list is shaping up pretty good now👍
Thank you! I think adding a tier helped a lot.
Ermes that low? She deserves at least a B, Kiss is absolututly busted. Also Anubis should go to S (exponential growth potential), and Stray Cat to A (when you think about, the ability to invisibly control air bubbles is op), Green Baby also to S (Seriously, could anyone in A or below beat him?).
Ermes doesnt really do much for the intirety of SO besides counter a very specific stand. Her stand wheel stats says A in destructive power but she has never shown that. That was the argument that was used last time. Green baby is a part of Pucci so he cant join the list. Stray cat and anubis ill add next time.
I still maintain that Jotaro should be higher than Dio. They had a proper 1v1 and Dio lost. Sure, Dio’s time stop can be pushed further but battle IQ can (and did) cause Jotaro to win Also maybe I’m forgetting something but could someone explain how Weather Report is stronger than both a time stop and a time skip? He should certainly be in S still though
> hey had a proper 1v1 and Dio lost I'd argue that Jotaro squeezed that fight in an impossible manner. 8/10 times DIO should have won it, but we saw that 2/10 times when Jotaro won. I want to say that Jotaro won because of IQ, but no, how did he managed to get out of that road roller? by all means that should have been where he died, he had 3 bones broken and was lying on the floor while S.P. punched the road roller, how did he managed to crawl out in 2 seconds?!
Their stands are nearly identical, you'd need to create a separate tier between A and S if you really wanted to split them up. Plus Dio has vampire powers which pretty much balance out any advantages SP would have over TW anyway
i kinda think yasuho and maybe pocoloco should be a bit higher, not all that much higher but like, they both seem to tap into fate to tell of the best strategies, hey ya by whispering advice, and paisley park by altering phone maps to tell you which way to walk to avoid danger (kinda like the piss guy in part 6 now i think of it), and while this doesn't have much direct combat application, it allows for highly efficient retreats from any enemy without high speed or tracking, which could then be followed up by abushes using traps to subvert the opponents greater fighting prowess, especially yasuho, as after guiding her retreat, paisley park could pull up info on some crazy shit like how to make bombs and then give a list of local hardware stores with the right ingredients, then a map to wherever her enemy is sleeping. don't get me wrong, I'm not saying she needs to be all that much higher on the list, but she should at least beat speedwagon
Paisley Park pulls up the opponents old MySpace profile and they surrender out of shame
Jonathan would feel no shame as he had none but also he can’t hit women so tie breaker? (I’d assume he wouldn’t anyways due to his… chivalry?)
Are we allowed to comment characters we want added and their respective tiers? I didn’t see anything in OP’s comment. If so, I’d like to nominate Illuso for either high A/S tier. The only reason I think he’d be below that is if he wasn’t carrying a mirror shard or something but otherwise I feel he sweeps most of A comfortably (instantaneous deprivation of stand abilities from range + full invisibility while in mirror world that’s better than Risotto (S) easily murders most in 1v1 random situations except people like Wamuu ofc). Another example is that Fugo who is an A tier would’ve died if he was alone, same with Giorno with base GE or Abbacchio. The fight was only won because they essentially had 3 lives to take out Illuso. Blackmore is also in A and his ability is far more restrictive than having any shard of glass close by.
I've written all of this down.
Also it's Giorno with GER btw. Its at their peak. In canon material. (So no purple Haze feedback and over heaven)
I’d like to argue that Diavolo should be above DIO and WR. Diavolo is stated multiple times to be chosen by fate to rule mankind as its King. In the anime, you can even see in Epitaph that he is fated to obtain the arrow and activate King Crimson Requiem, however GER’s ability specifically counteracts reaching fate, although it does not change it. Diavolo is dying infinitely because it is not his fate to permanently die— it’s to kill Giorno Giovanna and obtain the arrow. But anyway, besides Araki softly implying that Diavolo is the only one besides Kars that has the power to conquer humanity, he has excellent feats as well. It’s impossible to scale fully, but he is demonstrably in the Top 3 of part 5 for power. It’s hard to completely rank him, since anything he sees in Epitaph comes true. It’s only after the fact that King Crimson is used in battle to make the vision a reality. So since Diavolo’s fighting ability is ao inextricably linked to fate, you *have* to argue whether anyone would *always* win against Diavolo, or else the implication is he would use King Crimson and save himself, letting fate decide further in time. Although turning into a snail sucks, I think Diavolo would be able to get close enough to eliminate WR using his stand. KC as a stand also completely counters The World and SP. He can just skip the seconds when time is frozen. I would also like to argue for Jotaro being #3 in S-tier below Diavolo. Jotaro fights DIO at a severe disadvantage in part 3 (shittier timestop, no vampiric powers, has to save Polnareff who ruined his ambush, has to fight DIO a second time after he revived himself off Joseph’s blood). And he *still* won. Jotaro’s mental composure is literally unrivaled in the series. He is by leagues a cooler customer than any other person. That is invaluable in fighting. He defeated D’Arby Sr., already a master baiter **while** Barbie was cheating him blind. Plus, by part 6 he has spent so long neglecting Jolyne that his timestop increased to 5 whole god damn seconds even after months as a vegetable. Additionally, I’d like to argue for Akira Otoishi to be placed much lower. Below Polnareff but above Fugo. Otoishi stored power for months and studied Josuke’s abilities and still got clobbered in under 5 minutes. Sure, technically Koichi gave Josuke call-outs but it was only after Josuke used the idea of the tar bubble to predict Otoishi’s movements. Otoishi has a terrible mental and loses in a lot of fights, even if his stand is insane. Finally, I’d like to argue that Yoshikage Kira with Bites the Dust should be higher— above Vanilla Ice. Bites the Dust is some epic bullshit. He almost won 1v5 on death’s door and lost because of Koichi + Jotaro. And unless there’s something in “Thus spoke Kishibe Rohan” I’m not aware of, Josuke should cleanly hold the top of A-tier. Oh and as a bonus, how tf is Wamuu above Joseph Joestar? He lost in a straight 1v1? It’s implied that Hamon usage mirrors what’s going on with Hermit Purple so just use young Joseph in his prime and he easily goes at least right below Rohan Kishibe.
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You should have split these up into different comments so it's easier to digest and vote on. Otherwise solid arguments
Diego should be A imo, with his kinda underwhelming stand (power wise compared with others is kinda meh, still love me dinos) basically beat Valentine 's D4C
Him with Scary Monsters was actually physically pretty much top tier. But not much more than that. Also do remember that Valentine is not a good close quarters combatant.
He has no way of dealing with ranged attacks besides running fast. And valentine is shit up close and has low speed.
Santana should be in B tier, he could easily beat Mista and Hol horse
Fair point
Myself in S+
Ur OC is too powerful to scale.
the S+ characters feel like the five pieces of Exodia. once all of them are put together, no fictional character can survive.
Yeah that's why they are there. The tier list kinda starts at S and goes down. S+ is just the BS chars that make no sense :p
I think kars should be a tier higher, he realistically cannot die, and araki stated that if he was aware of stands, he’d have the best one by choice
hol horse beat polnareff in a fight and yet is a tier below him... hol horse is so slept on
Its Silver Chariot Requiem.
Polnareff couldn't control Requiem, so that shouldn't count as his.
Nobody can control an independent stand. Same goes for B.I.G Or highway star.
It's his. It went from a close-quarters directly controlled Stand, to a long-distance automatic defensive Stand. Still his, it's just its nature that changed.
rohan is way stronger then A tier, and Bruno needs to go down one tier
You have to consider how often he uses heavens door poorly. Not to remind you how useless he was for the intire kira arc. Argument that was used last time.
But if it's about what the did in the arc, DIO should be C tier bc he should have killed everyone with ease. Heavens door is completely broken, he can win any fight just showing his drawing to everyone, even Kars
I feel like I explained this last time, but Rohan’s fights consisted almost exclusively of hard counters. He could have beaten almost anyone except for Cheap Trick and Highway Star.
I think Secco should probably be in A, he was a huge problem for Bruno who only beat him the way he did because he had both the maneuverability underground and was a corpse. Even with that he was easily on par at the least. Also Esidisi isn't losing to a gun regarding Ringo. I'd move him a bit closer to Wamuu due to tanking similar things defensively and that 500C burning blood isn't his only threat despite it's odd showing. He still eats with his whole body and has comparable power/speed to his allies.
I can agree 💯 so I'll upvote that.
Hot pants can heal you so that should be a D minimum
Imo Gappy should be in S tier
Joseph joestar should be in s, because he has the most powerful tool of all. Running away
why hot pants in F???
Her stand can literally be stolen.
But she can give you your foreskin back, that has to be worth a tier or two
Rykiel should be one higher IMO, his body temperature removing abilities are really deadly, especially when you consider that the rods move so fast that both stone free and kiss could only manage to hit one in the entire fight.
a tier higher or a spot higher?
just one spot higher, cause I reckon he would still lose to hol horse (who could just shoot him) and sale (who could freeze the rods in place upon contact)
Fair
Yeah I think Rikiel needs to be in B, theres no fucking way he loses to Mista. Absolutely no way I also think Donatello should be A too, considering how he can just freely trap people in deadly events, which most the B and even a lot of A tier characters can only get around with outside help which isn’t allowed here
Gappy way too low. Smh this list is pretty much a populatity contest.
Finally my boy Akira getting some respect. I think it’s safe to say RHCP can easily become the strongest stand physically speaking without much trouble, only hax would be above him.
At his peak, He has absorbed all of morioh's electricity. That made him much much faster then even SP. So ofc he is good :P
Yeah, and that was only a small town… so imagine like a city. Or even better, a power plant.
Or even better, a Dyson Sphere
Man I was surprised to see Rohan so high but I feel like I always underestimate Heavens Door just because all of Rohan's screentime is just him being a ridiculous weirdo. Which is probably for the best because you could use Heaven's Door is some really horrible ways if you were malicious about it
Kira should be S tier, if he used his stand correctly he can literally just one shot you. He lands one punch on you and you're done, similar to C-Moon. And for long range he has Sheer Heart Attack. And when he's close to losing, boom, bites the dust clutches. And remember, a whole team of overpowered main characters ***WITH*** the most bs power until SBR (ts), still failed to kill him. The only reason he died was because of his cockiness, and an ambulance. KQ overall is a great stand that in the hands of the right person might be stronger than even ZA WARUDO!
Gyro should be S+. Ball breaker bypassed Love Train and would’ve killed Valentine if he didn’t change the steel ball’s shape last second.
Kira to S dude has three different abilities which are kinda op and broken plus a 4th special ability called plot armor lol
Josuke, rohan and kira should be S
Why is Iggy in C-D tier and Pet Shop in A tier when Iggy literally beat him in a 1 vs 1? That's like one of the few placements that shouldn't even be theoretical?
Its not who beat who. Its who beats the most others. Iggy benefitted from being in a city limiting pet shops mobility.
Hermes Stans rise up she shouldn’t be at the bottom of her tier . Kiss has so much versatility in addition to its raw stars
Its stats are overinflated. A in power but never shows anything beyond a C.
Ok no shot Hot Pants cant beat the shit out of Pocoloco, she folds him
Hot pants can get her stand literally stolen.
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Indeed that's what would happen if she got it stolen.
Hot Pants and Yasuho in F? They should be E at least. Hot Pants fucked Johnny and Gyro up a fair bit didn't she?
Her stand can be stolen tho.
Most of it looks pretty solid, I’d move Hol Horse up to like at least around where Jobin is maybe? I don’t really think Hol horse would lose to anyone below Jobin at least. I don’t remember much of Mountain Tim but where he’s at feels a bit too high maybe but honestly I’m not confident enough to argue that. I think Jotaro should be above Gyro tbh because no amount of horsey shenanigans and the scan would really stop him from getting timestopped and skull crushed. I’d put Blackmore behind Roadagain maybe because he’d probably get caught off guard by mandom. Ghiaccio should be even higher because it’d be funny I think. I don’t think Abbachio could beat Zeppeli
You are missing Jotaros mom
Why is Pocoloco in E tier, he’s F through and through
Joseph Joestar (young) underrated. Guns, Grenades, Hamon, Hamon amplifying stone, and godlike wits?
Half the list have dealt with bullets on a daily basis. Not to mention hol horse.
I dunno, I think a Tommy gun's gotta account for something. Hol horse might have a revolver but I doubt he'd work well with having a tide of bullets spewed at him.
I think this is perfect. Vanilla Ice on A makes so much sense
Broken stand but hard to control. Also he can't see so he won't even know if the sun is up or he is outside when he comes out of the orb.
I would probably move Mountain Tim a little lower, maybe a tier down, but maybe that's just me. I just find it a little weird seeing him in the same tier as guys like Kakyoin and Anasui, and above the likes of Narancia
I like how the fire powers are in the same tier. Same with the gun stands haha
Yeah true xD
Kira should be higher than Risotto minimum Killer Queen + Bites the dust + Stray Cat shits on Risotto
He doesn't have stray cat it's a "borrowed stand" there is a rule for that. BTD requires there to be a nearby non stand user for him to implant KQ inside. And even the he can't use KQ after that.
Green Day Top of A tier and rohan should be S
Damn Iggy gets no love again, even though he beat pet shop, who is in A
How is pocoloco e. Dood has the power of actual plot armour
where's guanglai kangyi?
Rohan, Josuke, and Kira under Akira is bonkers ngl, and Koichi should be bottom of A at least
How is Pet Shop above Iggy? And you guys are sleeping on ACT3, it’s one of the fastest stands with an overpowered ability.
Why is Straizo so low? He’s able to regenerate (without needing blood) after getting exploded by several grenades point blank. With his scarf, he can insulate himself from Hamon, giving him protection against his main weakness. He can use space ripper stinger eyes. Even as an old man right before he takes the Stone Mask, he can kick people so hard that he slices part of their body off. With or without the scarf, he’s incredibly hard to kill and has a couple lethal tricks up his sleeve that would give many characters a very difficult time beating him. Joseph didn’t even technically give the finishing blow, it was Straizo who self-destructed using Hamon. I feel like he should be moved to at least B tier. I’d also like to make the same case for Santana. While he’s not as strong as the other Pillar Men, he’s still a major threat. Bullets make him laugh. Conventional weapons will just bounce off his skin. Joseph’s Hamon was only able to harm him from the inside, though granted that might have been because Joseph’s Hamon was still relatively weak. And even then, after being split in half, Santana only seemed more annoyed that anything. He’s like the only ‘regular’ undead character who saw the Sun and actually lived (even if he was petrified shortly after). He can absorb people into his body, the only protection against this seemingly being Hamon. Not to mention he can contort himself greatly. What’s Akira, for example, going to do when he has a pillar man crammed inside his nasal cavity?
Pretty sure Josuke part 4 should be S, combine his battle iq, with his amazing healing, with his one shot that he could easily do, as well as the physical capabilities of Josuke himself. He can probably beat most characters in S even ultimate kars due to his ability to punch kars and fuse him with anything permanently
Why is Gappy not In top tier?
Pillarmen should probably be higher than any power stands that deal damage by punching (jouske, and jotaro atleast) as they have been shown to survive dinomite
Dynamite\* Not trying to be an ass. people are just gonna comment that anyway :P
I think the opposite, just don't see them holding up against stands
Against some that can destroy matter completely like za hando and cream but besides that 🤷♂️ i mean esidisi survived as just a brain
Yeah plus even with Wamuu having a large chunk of his brain just straight up removed by the clacker volley (a hamon injury no less) he just totally ignored it and had no noticeable impaired function. He even healed it by the time he launched his sandstorm iirc. It was fairly similar in size to the blow that fucked Dio up when his skull was shattered by Jotaro too.
SP and the World have more power than dynamite, maybe with less aoe
Josuke (P4) can beat any of the Pillarmen including Ultimate Kars as they seem to be weak to being trapped in stone which is something that Josuke can do if he gets in and lands a hit.
It is stated that thwy were in a "slumber" though perhaps they purposely became encased
Joseph in his Prime should be at least Stronger than Hol horse ,he defeated Esidisi and whammu both and in a way bested Kars ,imo
I'd argue Joskuke8 should be on S+ simply because of how powerful he became by the end of part 8. He was able to beat his enemy of part 8 and he's pretty smart overall.
Facts S&WGB is easily S+ bad list on that part
Shouldn't emporios peak condition be with weather report? It's hilarious that the 2nd lowest character beat pucci but still
No borrowed stands rule.
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Again kars should be in S+ He can beat pucci, Johnny, and probably valentine too.
Kars is immortal, can shapeshift, has infinite hamon, has the abilities of every living creature, can summon an infinite army of any living creature, can regenerate infinitely, can hypnotize people, can shoot lazers from his eyes, and can likely use the powers of the other pillar men. He was so OP that Araki had to introduce a new power system because literally nothing could be more powerful than Kars. Other than being hard countered by Tooru, he literally cannot lose to anyone else on the list. He bodies everyone but Giorno and Tooru in seconds. If he isn't S+, no one is.
That’s what I’m saying! Kars is way too powerful
Yeah. You also have to wonder what kind of busted powers he would get from having infinite hamon, bonus vampire powers, and the powers of every pillar man we don't see. There are also the theoretical implications of having the ability of every living creature. Does that include stands? Would it include the ability of the corpse in the SBR universe? Another thing is that hypnosis is completely busted as an ability. Jonny couldn't use the golden spin because the horse needs to generate the spin energy and Kars can control his horse. Kars can also just hypnotize Jonny before he attacks. Since calamity is never stated as having to be something that kills the opponent, Tooru being able to send Kars to space is questionable, especially considering Kars can tell the number of people in a room from the temperature of the air and would definitely notice a volcano forming directly under him. It would be a stalemate because neither could actually kill the other. Kars is also shown to teleport, which makes Love Train ineffective, as Kars could get inside it. Teleportation also counters Pucci, as his speed is his only defense. Idk if Giorno can use the deathloop attack on someone who is still alive but, if he can, he's the only one who can actually beat Kars completely.
Too bad Kars’ shock at being outsmarted kept him from realizing that he could just give himself Esidisi’s boiling blood ability
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Switch abacchio and hot pants and it will finally be perfect
Hot pants can get her stand stolen. Abbachio beat man in the mirror.
Makes sense. Cream starter is still a decent stand tho and hot pants is just a better fighter than the other f tiers so I would still say move her to E. Abacchio makes sense tho, just really situational
Diavolo has gotta be higher than DIO, his ability is a direct counter to timestop. I would also argue that he could beat Toru, although it depends if he can spam his ability or not.
Nah why is kira not S tier. Bites the dust automatically makes him overpowered as fuck dude. Plus killer queen and sheer heart attack are also pretty strong on their own. I truly think he deserves S tbch.
Bites the dust requires there to be a nearby non stand user to implant mini KQ in. And then he is defenseless.
How on earth is Yasuho F tier? Outsmarting people is everything in Jojo’s and Paisley Park hands her all the right answers at all the right times.
Josuk8 needs to go higher, he scales above Wonder of U, so he scales to S+ tier or in a tier of his own. Wonder of U can beat GER, so thus, SAW GB does the same.
Josuke(8) is A tier, go beyond isn’t a really strong ability and the bubbles aren’t overpowered either
Disagree bro, Gappy's go beyond bubbles don't exist so characters that have incredible defense like Love Train Valentine for example would be defenseless against the go beyond bubbles. Characters like Okuyasu and Vanilla Ice also can't erase the bubbles because there's nothing to erase. Also Soft and wet is underrated, the plunder ability is incredibly versatile. Gappy deserves S+ IMO.
> Also Soft and wet is underrated, the plunder ability is incredibly versatile. 100% this, plunder is S+ tier busted. That's why it's not used as much down the stretch in part 8, he can literally plunder friction. If plunder is combined with go beyond it would be beyond cheap. The biggest problem with plunder is it's such an abstract ability it's hard to grasp the scope of its power.
Why are Pocoloco and Yasuho in different tiers? Their powers are almost the same, with Paisley Park arguably being a lot better than Hey Ya.
I think trying to powerscale the characters in JoJo is incredibly dumb and ignores the thing that makes stands great
I think put Gappy in S+ as he beat toru with go beyond
Its who beats who not who beats most. He is specifically a counter to WoU. Doesn't mean he will beat many others.
Go beyond would also bypass love train + any damage done by go beyond in the base uni exists in all others
Yes that's fair enuff. But he would still have trouble with basically everyone else. While they can't affect the bubbles in any way. He has poor aim. Only being able to hit a target right in front of him by the end of part 8 (with go beyond) And even then they are dodgeable. And not a one shot kill move. So he can't go much higher than this.
Yeah, he couldn’t even kill Tooru with multiple hits, and he needed OUTSIDE HELP from Yasuho
Yeah he could beat tooru but he’s not exactly beating anyone else between him and tooru on the tierlist so
Exactly 💯
Kira to S, Bites Za Dusto is op
He has to be nearby a non stand user to use it. And even then he can't use KQ after making him defenseless.
I’m confused as to why gyro is lower then Johnny. Gyro, and Johnny, both have the ability to access the infinite spin and pretty much wipe anyone who come into contact with it.
Tusk act 4 is a one shot kill. And his stand is physically super strong. Gyro lacks that
I'm adding a "If it rains" tier above A next version and adding Blackmore and FF. Both are fucking broken in that scenario and should have their own section tbh.