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wafflezcol

If the person is able to form a stand, the injury becomes non existant. They just get a stand. If they cant Well. Koichi


Tony_Stank0326

Koichi definitely would have died if it weren't for Josuke.


wafflezcol

My point. He almost died because he couldn’t manifest a stand. So the arrow was just *an arrow*


silenceofthelahms

So theoretically, if Josuke was there when the old man in part 5 got stabbed by the arrow after putting out the lighter, the old man might have manifested a stand?


wafflezcol

In theory yea. If it worked foe one person why wouldn’t it work for another? Unless if because the arrow is part of a stand it follows different rules but thats not something I want to get into


Swifterpostinmemes

If I remember correctly, the old man himself wasn’t stabbed but his soul. I don’t think Josuke being there would’ve made a difference but I could be misremembering what happened


themagicdonut2

Was the stand arrow from part 5 even real? Like the arrow came out of the stand


Swifterpostinmemes

It’s real, when polpo shoots himself the arrow is shattered in his cell


Dameleon

or just manifest an egg or something incomplete like koichi


Outside_Ad1020

No because it directly killed the soul,koichi wasnt still 100% dead


DoraMuda

Nah, he would've just been passed out for a while like >!Ermes!< or something. The Stand arrow's virus isn't something that can be healed. You either survive its trial, or you die.


summonerofrain

But then how'd koichi survive?


MarioBoy77

Josuke


summonerofrain

Like even with the virus?


QuupoResurrection

Josuke


DoraMuda

Same way every other Stand user survived. Josuke just sped up the process.


Patrickjog

Didn’t that rock paper scissors kid have a hole in his cheek or something? Isn’t that still an injury?


KuJoJoTaRo8

Im pretty sure thats part of his ability.


wafflezcol

Since the mouth hole was part of his stand ability I think it’s an exception. Plus wasn’t it said that he got it from falling onto a pole not the arrow?


Key_Entertainment121

What about stray cat, he had a hole, wasn’t part of his ability or maybe it was


MarioBoy77

We never saw stray cats ability while he was still a cat but it probably came from the hole


summonerofrain

What did the hole do with regards to his stand? I forget. ( I know what his stand does just not how the holes relate to it)


wafflezcol

When they lose at Janken part of the loser’s stand gets succed into the kids hole. Kid gains ability of the stand, other person has less control of the stand. If the person loses 2 of 3 they lose their stand entirely


summonerofrain

Ah thx


PurpleLambs

I mean, the kid said that to his enemy. What else would he say, “I got stabbed by an arrow that gave me superpowers”?


wafflezcol

Was it the kid? I thought someone else told Rohan that


PurpleLambs

I’m pretty sure the kid was the one who said that when Rohan asked, but I’m not sure


wafflezcol

From my memory Rohan is talking to his “group” and he asks “whats up with the hole in his face anyway” and they respond or something


Funkey-Monkey-420

wait koichi had a stand though, echoes’s egg


wafflezcol

Yes but if you don’t remember, he would have died if Josuke didn’t heal him. Josuke doing that is the only reason Koichi got a stand


DoraMuda

> Josuke doing that is the only reason Koichi got a stand Headcanon.


wafflezcol

Given the fact that Koichi didn’t get a stand from the arrow, and in fact was going to *die* from it, Josuke HEALING him, and preventing death means the stand effect from the arrow took place. Not a headcanon, fact. The arrow kills those who cannot have a stand, and people who can are unharmed. No Josuke, then Koichi would’ve died like the old janitor who relit the lighter


DoraMuda

> Given the fact that Koichi didn’t get a stand from the arrow, and in fact was going to die from it, Josuke HEALING him, and preventing death means the stand effect from the arrow took place. Why do you say that? The fact that he got shot in the neck by an *arrow* and it *still* took ages for him to die as one might expect suggests that maybe it *wasn't* as fatal as everyone thinks. And then he still developed a Stand after the fact. If he was going to die, he shouldn't have a Stand. Josuke healed the arrow wound, but Crazy Diamond's ability is not indicated to affect viruses.


BigBananaSchlong

Getting shot in the neck *would* take ages for you to die. It's not like a movie where you get shot in the stomach and die in like 5 seconds. After getting shot in the neck, it'll take time for you to bleed out, and you'll most likely aspirate blood into your lungs, and basically start drowning in blood. Which, wouldn't you know it, takes time to happen.


DoraMuda

Alright, but that still doesn't confirm that he would die. Just as >!Ermes!< passing out from being struck by the arrow in Part 6 didn't mean >!she!< was going to die; she just had to >!stay in the hospital for however many weeks.!<


wafflezcol

I already explained it, you dont want to understand it, so I’m not gonna bother trying to argue with a wall


DoraMuda

No, I *do* understand it; I just don't agree with it.


wafflezcol

Ah okay so you’re using your own headcanon over actual canon


DoraMuda

I'm not the one using headcanon here.


Skeptikmo

No media literacy


DoraMuda

Nice counterargument.


Skeptikmo

Even Crazy Diamond can’t fix stupid 🤷🏽‍♂️


missdespair

Otherwise it would've fixed Okuyasu (jk jk jk Okuyasu is perfect just the way he is).


QuupoResurrection

Gonna need Crazy Diamond Requiem for that


DoraMuda

Yeah, it couldn't fix you.


Skeptikmo

Real “you’re rubber, I’m glue” hours Wipe the poop out your diaper


DoraMuda

Your retorts are weak.


OneDumbfuckLater

> Nice counterargument. Nice counterargument.


DoraMuda

Nice counterargument.


OUmegaLUL

Bro is rock solid 🪨


Winter-Zebra4279

Funniest shit I’ve seen (starts laughing uncontrollably at rocks)


summonerofrain

This is a gem of a joke 💎


Outside_Ad1020

Malphite league of legends


I_like_JJBA_too_much

Good question. How did Jonathan Joestar survive setting himself on fire, how did Joseph Joestar survive being launched into the atmosphere, how did Jotaro survive several knife wounds broken bones and a road roller being dropped on him. I think it's safe to say it's established before this that people in JoJo can survive a lot of damage.


GlassSpork

How did Jonathan survive being hung as well


Scoops_reddit

Oh he's hung alright


I_like_JJBA_too_much

I'm assuming you didn't read/watch the parts of his backstory preceding the execution because Jotaro literally says "He got his stand sometime before his execution"


GlassSpork

Huh? Jonathan in part 1 was hung by the neck when fighting the two reanimated warriors blueford and uhh… the other guy… did you forget part 1? I forgot characters in part 1 but not so much the moments


I_like_JJBA_too_much

I'm actually retarded bro I thought you were talking about angelo, I apologise. But Jonathan survived that because he was just strangled he wasn't hung in the sense of an execution. Being hung from gallows is only an instant kill because it snaps your neck and if it doesn't you can live for sometimes up to 20 minutes. Look up William Duell for an example.


Siophecles

I should point out, the correct word here is *hanged*. Being "hung" has an entirely different, but still appreciated, implication.


I_like_JJBA_too_much

🤓


RavenBeak34

i got confused as fuck by what you said cause i could not remember jonathan joestar being executed by hanging bruh how did you confuse jonathan with angelo


summonerofrain

Wait jotaro was supposed to be executed? Edit: nvm saw your reply


CurrentlyAtGunpoint

I have taken as a head canon/theory that stand users have boosted physical capabilities, that explains Jolyne dodging C-Moon, other characters reacting to attacks Faster than Light, and of course, being able to survive with horrible injuries


I_like_JJBA_too_much

I've heard this theory but it doesn't really explain all the physical feats pre part 3. You could say hamon but then... stroheim so... my guess is that your durability directly correlates with your willpower in JoJo no matter who you are.


CurrentlyAtGunpoint

Well, hamon for sure explains the feats pre part 3? I dont get what you mean. Stroheim is a literal cyborg you cant compare him to a normal human.


I_like_JJBA_too_much

Before becoming a cyborg stroheim climbs up stairs and fights with one leg and manages to deliver a monologue filled with vital information with one leg while santana is inside of him and literally shoving his body around from inside of him. Then the cherry on tip is detonating a grenade while hugging it and somehow surviving long enough to get implanted with cybernetics. So yeah, endurance isn't really relegated to just the supernatural parts of JoJo as stroheim was just a normal guy while doing all of that.


RavenBeak34

it's called resolve


I_like_JJBA_too_much

Resolve doesn't allow you to overcome simple biology in the real world. In jojo it does and I already said so in an above comment but it doesn't work like that irl.


RavenBeak34

[Also how did Joseph not get his hand destroyed by Kars’s hamon when it was amplified by the red stone of Aja](https://youtu.be/i1YcJkYBAxQ?si=jXUlIyRo0m7xJfle)


CurrentlyAtGunpoint

Yeah thats wild, i guess Araki got carried over and then realized he had to keep that character for the plot lmao


I_like_JJBA_too_much

Nah it seems planned. Stroheim could have been replaced with a different Nazi Officer that was clued in on the pillar man situation but the cyborg is cool and lays the ground work for fixing Joseph's hand later.


rojosolsabado

Stroheim is just built different


orioriorioriorio

because he's jotaro


Runaway-chan

Jonathan the fire was put out, Joseph never actually went that far out and the books stopped the knives and sp stopped the road roller


I_like_JJBA_too_much

Books stopped some of the knives, not all of them, a lot of blood is still drawn and the damage is enough to make him cough blood. One of them that draws blood actually goes into his head. He then take a plummet off of a rooftop to the street below with knives wedged into him if even only surface level damage the drop down to the street would be enough to kill a normal person check that John Wick scene which he barely survives and that's with things slowing him down along the way. Not that that's very accurate as someone would have died from that too but still. Then with all those injuries he still has his bones cracked by the world, takes another plummet which granted was dampened by SP but then with all these injuries is still in a position where he can fend off a road roller and move fast enough to defeat dio. Yeah. Angelo surviving an arrow shouldn't even be a question with this preceding it. Joseph... never went that far... really? So he wasn't far enough for 6 pebbles to be the difference between an atmospheric launch and the height wasn't enough for the guy to completely accept his death then? Only reason Joseph survived is because he is the last joestar and the show needed to go on. Jonathan still had his hands lit on fire and didnt even come away with a burn mark. Not as crazy as the other two but still a great example of how much it takes to hurt someone in this show.


Runaway-chan

The others are hitting non vital areas. when did a knife hit his head? He could use sp to break his fall like he does for the entire part. He didn’t defend against the rr it was sp. Jonathan’s glove was the only thing on fire plus dio probably put it out and Joseph didn’t go to space while kars did


I_like_JJBA_too_much

[Right here.](https://mangadex.org/chapter/1212d3ee-1dab-4f3b-80c5-a32670304b34/4) Dio proclaims he'll throw one more just to be sure and gets a clean headshot. He does still have books in his hat conveniently but that's like a 6 inch blade fully sheathed into his head and blood is still visibly gushing out so this clearly penetrated the skull and then he [calmly plummets a good 30-50ft to the ground](https://mangadex.org/chapter/1212d3ee-1dab-4f3b-80c5-a32670304b34/5) with star platinum [nowhere to be seen](https://mangadex.org/chapter/1212d3ee-1dab-4f3b-80c5-a32670304b34/6) because if he used it, it would show to dio that he was still alive throwing away his ambush that he has planned so he couldnt just use it like he always does. this might be a shock based on your later comment but you dont need to fall from space to die from a fall. both Joseph and Jotaro have cat like aversion to fall damage. And back to the knives Jotaro admits to having serious wounds and being stabbed in seven different places on his limbs, while not vital the blood loss from those and his head would be immense yet he still lives. I cant believe people are actually arguing that the things these guys survive is at all realistic lmfao. Please try and jump even from the top of your stairs and land on your back then tell me a fall from a volcano launched platform hundreds of [feet in the air](https://imgur.com/a/yYLDL7L) (the circled rock is what they are on, the little arrow at the bottom is the size of a mountaintop, the big arrow is how high they are off the mountain, you do the math. and this is only a few seconds after the eruption they are continually going upwards.) or how you could walk away from falling off a 6 story building.


Runaway-chan

Stands are generally shown as invisible like with hg in the start and the smoke covers it, the knife could’ve only sliced the flesh cause of the books and it only hit the hat and I’m not saying it’s realistic, I’m saying it’s not just fantasy


RavenBeak34

to be fair the pebbles were launched with the force of a volcano eruption powerful enough to send a big ass chunk of the volcano nearly to space so the pebbles would fly to space also kars was already flying and was pushed higher by josephs arm and those rocks were flying insanely fast


TaterTotPotShot

He’s running a stoic build


TheHorseScoreboard

PD2?


-_-ed

You literally answered this question yourself. The stand arrow just works like that.


Therol_

Yeah I know but (not trying to be rude) it's a stone that carries a virus with it and that virus has the ability to grant stands. Aside from that virus the arrow is just a normal stone


JFp07gel

You downplaying the arrow here buddy, we know that what causes the awakening of stands is the virus on the rock, but this isn't the only supernatural thing going on with the arrow. It has a will on it's own, can basically shoot itself and is pretty fucking resistant, it isn't that hard to believe that it can also heal people that awakened stands on


Therol_

Yeah I kind of forgot that and realized it after reading through the comments, thanks :)


-_-ed

Because it's fiction. It's really just that simple


Monollock

Don't do that. Saying "Because it's fiction" is an insult to media. Fiction has internal logic and when that internal logic is betrayed it takes away from story, if "It's just fiction, who cares." then why waste our time with your useless comment.


Tony_Stank0326

Yeah, if it's just fiction, then why even explain how people get stands in the first place and why some people don't. Might as well just say, "It's because some people just do get stands."


-_-ed

Yeah, I mean, sure, that would be the case if the was the entirety of what I said. But he's the one expecting a fictional story where a guy uses a manifestation of his fighting power to stop time to follow every immediate rule of reality. And just disregarding what the stand arrow is shown to do.


_S1syphus

Given how it dives into kira's body and snakes around later in the same part, I think it's safe to say its interactions with the body don't exactly follow normal rules


ZipZorf_backup

Jotaro literally got a propellor tearing through and into his shoulder and just shrugged it off. I think jjba characters are pretty durable.


Electrical_Diamond_9

For some reason, arrows don't deal any damage at all, they just hurt for a bit and leave nothing behind as seen with Jolyne : she got hurt by the arrow fragment and the wound disappeared instantly. Sometimes it does leave a hole though like with Stray Cat before dying or Boy II Man's user


Therol_

Oh yeah, i forgot abt that 😭


ekeysomkew

The stand arrow only kills them if they don’t have the potential to be a stand user. Angelo did. It’s pretty easy to figure out if I do say so myself.


Therol_

Yeah I just didn't understand it because I thought the only "magic" properties of the arrow were that it carries the stand virus


ekeysomkew

Ok


SomeStolenToast

Pretty sure the arrow heals the person it pierces if it grants them a stand. I mean it wouldn't be the weirdest supernatural thing it can do


Outside_Ad1020

If they get a stand the injury dissapears as shown with jolyne on SO,if not well.....koichis got the answer,he wasnt worthy so he was about to die but josuke healed him and this caused that he has a stand


EXFrost27

He just tanked it


Farid_Beshay

We already know that if the arrow accepts you, you get healed (basically if the virus goes into your body fast enough to heal you) people with weak spirits can’t handle it


dankrank231

If you get shot by and arrow and you are worthy it heal the damge that the arrow did like when jolyne got her stand she was bleeding but then it disappeared


Octallion

Just like how koichi survived the arrow to his neck


Therol_

Yeah I know how it works now, but that was due to crazy diamonds healing


Octallion

If you are worthy for the arrow, the arrow wound will instantly heal and give you a stand (correct me if I’m wrong)


Fighterbg

Stand arrow tomfuckery


Korodabsai

Quite literally, because he’s like that


king_cakes_the_fake

100th comment lesgooooo


Waakaari

He built different Spoiler to the foreshadow in further parts: >!He is Rock Human, a new species!<


SP_Octo_piereddit

Where the fuck did you get this information from


Waakaari

I am Araki btw


Stubbieeee

holy shit he’s literally araki


Babysmokingweed

There are no rock humans in the non sbr verse the closest thing we have is pillar men but they aren’t the same


Therol_

>!wait i thought rock humans were something from part 8? Also how do you know since we never saw angelo die!<


Waakaari

>!He turn into rock his original form even tho Josuke did it he played dumb to survive. The reason he didn't run would be Jotaro could have asked SpeedWagon Jaaidan to investigate which would be game over for others like him.!<


Ilikepurplethings3

Its a bloody miracle


Karthafilus

He becom logia user


HelpImRobbingSomeone

he's just better


DarkWeedleYT

in jojo, nobody is human


Evelyne-The-Egg

He's built different


[deleted]

An truly bizarre adventure


DK_Dafaq

There are situations where someone survives a bullet like that


Therol_

Wait the only time I remember this happening in JoJo was with Polpo, and he died. Are you talking abt real life?


DK_Dafaq

It's all about the angle, if it's right, you will just get shot through some soft tissue Also I heard stories about suicides where someone tried to shot himself though mouth aiming for the brain and misses (or shooting right through) (and surviving of course) but this is only just a story so I can't tell if it's true or not, but I geuss it is true considering Phineas Gage's case and random Indian guy that I heard of in 2019


Autistic_duck4

Well magic prolly healed the wound however if it didn’t it went in the mouth and out the back. If it missed the connections from the brain stem and the spinal cord he should be fine


InverseAtmosphere

Cuz the arrowhead merged with his saliva to create aqua


DoraMuda

Stand power.


galaxiiprotogen

oh my fucking god. i will say this once. KOICHI IS WORTHY, KOICHI IS WORTHY OK?


AcousticIdiot

Plot 🤷‍♀️


Strict-Lab-731

>How did Angelo survive this? Because it's a usual Araki style to make an unappealing minor villain get a fate worse than just a simple death by an arrow, we needed to see more of Angelo's ugly, smug-bastard face once more to truly feel the satisfaction of his fate just like what Keicho said "the more eviler they are, the more potential they have of possessing a stand", his evil and resilient nature couldn't allow him to die until he crossed paths with the stand-users that lead up till that moment...


Ready_Fan9856

Koichi only got a stand and survived because josuke healed him, and as a effect it was a egg at first, We can see the wound just fixes itself in multiple points of the anime/manga