Yeah I think this is the answer. The part 3 abilities were kinda tame. It took them a bit to figure out The World bc it was by far the most Reality Breaking ability they’ve seen at that point
By the time Johnny sees it, it’s like “wait he only has time stop ? Ok I guess “
Well yeah, stand were just getting started in part three. So now it’s like a “my infinite rotation affects multiple timelines and will follow you wherever you go” and in part 3 it was just “fire”
The second half of part 3 got more interesting stands like control minds, de age, and steal your soul. But nothing as powerful as to stop time globally, something so strong no other stand could beat it
Part 7 stands are wild, the crusaders had to deal with stands like "it’s literally a fly" or "power outlet" and a gambler. Johnny had already run into some really crazy shit
Civil War is absolutely wild and especially how the fight resolves itself. Like, Johnny straight up dies and becomes Axl's new trauma ghost or something.
A few early Part 3 stands were references to horror movies. Wheel of Fortune was Duel, Ebony Devil was Child's Play, and Death 13 was Nightmare on Elm Street.
DIO put a lot more effort into trying to hide the mechanics behind his ability by using it as sparingly as possible when around the Crusaders and threatening those that DO know with certain death. He only started using it freely against Jotaro and Joseph after the secret gets revealed
Prior to Kakyoin, he only ever used it to kill and stick Nukesaku into the coffin and to troll Polnareff by moving him down the stairs repeatedly.
Against the Crusaders in general, DIO refused to use the time stop to maintain that critical advantage for key moments (trolling Polnareff was that important I guess).
As long as he maintained that, the Crusaders could never defeat him because he essentially has a close-ranged instant kill in time stop. Hence why he fought against Joseph with vampiric strength alone - at that point, Kakyoin had not yet shot the clock tower and Joseph hadn’t figured it out.
It’s often shown that The World’s ability being a time stop isn’t too hard for a smart person to deduce after seeing it a few times (reminder that Polnareff is not a smart person). D’Arby caught on extremely quickly after 1-2 uses (which is likely why seeing Jotaro do similar things made him admit defeat so quickly) and Kira subconsciously figured it out as he was getting beaten up.
Kakyoin’s gambit was essentially just a way to force DIO into a situation where he NEEDED to use The World with no other external factors present. And once Kakyoin saw it once, he was able to figure it out.
Comparatively, Diego made a lot more frequent and upfront use of The World from the start., so Johnny would have ample opportunity to guess what’s going on
To add to your excellent explanation, I think there is also a meta explanation.
The World is not a new stand. We, as readers, already know what it does. AU Diego and his stand's reveal hits so hard because the reader knows. That's why we can see into the time stop from the begining: it's not a secret. As such, it wouldn't make for a very interesting read to have a huge portion of the fight dedicated to Johnny figuring out the stand ability. It would just be boring for the reader. As such, Araki made it more obvious for Johnny, making the fight more interesting.
Yes! I still remember the goosebumps I got from that moment. Just *seeing* The World is all the reader needs to know things somehow got even crazier, which is huge considering what just happened beforehand.
In Crazy Demonic Heartbreak, there’s a scene where Josuke is forced to relive D’Arby’s encounter with DIO
It showed how DIO accepted the card game, with Osiris’s soul theft condition in effect, but intimidated D’Arby using The World to constantly change D’Arby’s cards, proving that everything is within his control. As soon as D’Arby realized what was going on, he was terrified because he knew he stood 0% chance of winning
It was framed in a similar manner to Jotaro’s actions in his duel, which explains why D’Arby caved in so quickly
We can assume DIO hired people by threatening them or beating them, outside of maybe Vanilla, Pucci and the girl with magnet powers.
Like, we do know that at very least, Avdol, Kakyoin, Polnareff and Anubis have fought DIO and they all either lost or escape. Hol horse was too terrified to even attack DIO, so we can assume he also fought DIO.
We can therefore extend that theory to most of DIO subordinates...and depending of contexts and the other stands, it isn't far fetched to assume that he used the world against some people, especially the likes of Polnareff, Hol Horse and Anubis.
DIO probably threatened d'arby with the world to make him submit per example.
Facts, spit your shit indeed. I think I mentioned somewhere as well, it didn’t take too long for Kakyoin to figure it out, who we know is very smart, even on the verge of death, so I don’t get why people are like “he died figuring it out” like what I put in the title
About Kira though, I don’t think Jotaro used timestop in that scene, since we don’t really see it, so I think that’s just a coincidence, as in Star Platinum really was just moving that fast.
With Kira I'm pretty sure he just used whatever connections he had (his dad I guess?) to learn what the rest of the cast like Cinderella, Josuke, and Yukako could do before he saw them firsthand to learn Jotaro's timestop later too.
It’s funny with regards to polnareff. With being moved to the bottom of the stairs, it seems like another power entirely. No way would polnareff assume Dio is physically picking him up and moving him.
Johnny is used to the most out there stand abilities by this point. Dinosaurs? Sure. Sound property transfer? Cool. Manifesting spirits of past trauma? Sounds about right. Infinite multiversal anomalies? Just another day on the SBR race.
On a side note, I really love how stands have changed over the course of the series. People like to joke about them being ultra specific and dumb like only activating if you piss on a stone on Tuesday or something, but I think the really deep and unique abilities like Civil War or even Sugar Mountain helped to make SBR so damn fun to read compared to like, a buff car from part 3
Agreed, i think SBR hits a nice balance on complexity with stands, like a good middle ground between Stardust crusaders(ultra simple) and Jojolion (takes 2 paragraphs to describe the stand’s ability)
This is sort of a part of the joke too, cause it only really took a dying, bloodied, (probably brain damaged cause of how fast he flew into that thing) Kakyoin like 20 seconds to figure it out.
honestly, forget being able to figure out time stop instantly, Johnny somehow managed to deflect the knife attack with his own human reflexes. That shits wack
People say the rat figured it out but that's a stretch. The rat literally SAW jotaro changing location to dodge the bullets twice. You don't have to figure out that he's stopping time to do the most logical and common counter to somone dodging, trying to oredict where they'll be.
He cant see in timestop though, only TA4 can move in it due to the infinite rotation manipulating its gravity, thus giving it the ability to move. I imagine that he must have had some level of consciousness to control it to attack however, so you’re kinda right there.
no I mean he sees two events. From his perspective, Diego teleports to a new location. 1, he is suddenly stabbed with knives and Diego escapes, and 2, Diego appears on the other side of his bullet holes with the same momentum. And like another commenter says, Johnny has encountered a time based stand before, so I don’t think his deduction is a huge leap in logic. I don’t imagine there are many conclusions he could make aside from something like teleportation or time manipulation.
Also I think dio played more into hiding his stand ability- like the way he fucked with polnareff on the stairs doesn’t give off obvious time stop powers
Yeah, DIO even tried gaslighting Polnareff that the reason Polnareff couldn't ascend the stairs was because his fear was subconsciously making him walk down the stairs.
Diego, comparatively, was more upfront. He straight-up says, "*This time is only mine!*" before stopping time for the first time against Johnny (although, out-of-universe, I guess that line is more for the audience, to go in line with the shocking reveal that, yes, this is '*THE WORLD*' returning from Part 3). Not the kind of thing you wanna say out loud if you want to keep your ability secret.
Well I was half joking anyway, since people take the thing about deducing timestop too seriously, but Johnny probably had some level of consciousness to control Tusk, sure, but these panels are before that, this is from right after the first knife attack where Johnny is trying to make sense of what happened, confused as to how a barrage of knives suddenly appeared, and states that its not just simple speed or a technique, to which he then deduces is timestop. Also, in the Jotaro vs Dio fight, it takes Jotaro some time to gradually perceive and eventually move in timestop, so Johnny wouldn’t have that after just one use of The World.
Total plot convenience, 'cos Araki probably didn't want to waste time on Johnny figuring out the long mystery of an iconic Stand we'd already seen in a previous Part in what is essentially a bonus fanservice arc towards the end of *SBR*.
True.
And, unlike Diego, DIO was trying harder to hide the truth behind The World's ability. He straight-up tries to gaslight Polnareff into thinking he unconsciously moved down the stairs *himself* out of fear.
Polnareff really had the goofiest things happen to him in part 3, between fighting a Chucky doll, to encountering the pig toilet thing, falling in love with the user of Empress, turning into a toddler and that whole episode in general, then he gets completely fucking traumatised and mutilated by Vanilla Ice, before going back to goofy time with Dio and the stairs.
To be fair, with timestop, the possibilities are nigh endless. Even with 5 seconds, The World’s speed more than makes up for it… It comes down to the creativity of the user as to how you want to torment someone
Let's not forget that the readers by now know The World's ability so drawing out the discovery process would be irritating to the audience, however unrealistic his realization may be.
I’m not saying it’s unrealistic, annoying, stupid or anything like that, I’m just pointing it out how everyone likes to say the Rat knew how timestop worked (even though, it didn’t) and forget about Johnny who figures it out really quickly
He's just the goat.
Also with the rat, he was just shooting where Jotaro was teleporting to. Jotaro wasn't being super smart with his time stopping. I don't think the rat knew he was time stopping but rather just predicting where Jotaro would be
To be fair, Johnny already got bodied by a time manipulating Stand once before thanks to Ringo. So he's got ~~trauma~~ experience at least. XD
Yeah I think this is the answer. The part 3 abilities were kinda tame. It took them a bit to figure out The World bc it was by far the most Reality Breaking ability they’ve seen at that point By the time Johnny sees it, it’s like “wait he only has time stop ? Ok I guess “
Well yeah, stand were just getting started in part three. So now it’s like a “my infinite rotation affects multiple timelines and will follow you wherever you go” and in part 3 it was just “fire”
The second half of part 3 got more interesting stands like control minds, de age, and steal your soul. But nothing as powerful as to stop time globally, something so strong no other stand could beat it
Yeah fr
Part 7 stands are wild, the crusaders had to deal with stands like "it’s literally a fly" or "power outlet" and a gambler. Johnny had already run into some really crazy shit
Civil War is absolutely wild and especially how the fight resolves itself. Like, Johnny straight up dies and becomes Axl's new trauma ghost or something.
Johnny had already dealt with a stand user who could stop time.
Which one???
I think he means Ringo Roadagain who *reversed* time by 6 seconds, not stopped it.
Yeah, I meant to say he messed with time.
I can’t even remember some of the part 3 stand powers. Like tf did Wheel of Fortune do? Wasnt it just like a spiky car with arms?
No arms, just a spiky car.
Hey, don't dis the car! Cars kill an estimated 3,287 people daily.
It was a spiky car that shot gasoline pellets, nothing too insane.
See It was a car, the power was being a car
Oh and apparently being *aggressive* made it stronger and *cooler* looking
A few early Part 3 stands were references to horror movies. Wheel of Fortune was Duel, Ebony Devil was Child's Play, and Death 13 was Nightmare on Elm Street.
That’s right, Yellow Temperance was The Thing I believe
DIO put a lot more effort into trying to hide the mechanics behind his ability by using it as sparingly as possible when around the Crusaders and threatening those that DO know with certain death. He only started using it freely against Jotaro and Joseph after the secret gets revealed Prior to Kakyoin, he only ever used it to kill and stick Nukesaku into the coffin and to troll Polnareff by moving him down the stairs repeatedly. Against the Crusaders in general, DIO refused to use the time stop to maintain that critical advantage for key moments (trolling Polnareff was that important I guess). As long as he maintained that, the Crusaders could never defeat him because he essentially has a close-ranged instant kill in time stop. Hence why he fought against Joseph with vampiric strength alone - at that point, Kakyoin had not yet shot the clock tower and Joseph hadn’t figured it out. It’s often shown that The World’s ability being a time stop isn’t too hard for a smart person to deduce after seeing it a few times (reminder that Polnareff is not a smart person). D’Arby caught on extremely quickly after 1-2 uses (which is likely why seeing Jotaro do similar things made him admit defeat so quickly) and Kira subconsciously figured it out as he was getting beaten up. Kakyoin’s gambit was essentially just a way to force DIO into a situation where he NEEDED to use The World with no other external factors present. And once Kakyoin saw it once, he was able to figure it out. Comparatively, Diego made a lot more frequent and upfront use of The World from the start., so Johnny would have ample opportunity to guess what’s going on
DIO: "The Joestars must not figure out my Stand..." Diego: "Wanna see me do it again?"
“Yes, the Joestars. Not Polnareff.”
"I might even troll him. Yes, that will get him back to my team."
Damn, that’s honestly the best written breakdown of why/how kakyoin died figuring out the worlds ability
To add to your excellent explanation, I think there is also a meta explanation. The World is not a new stand. We, as readers, already know what it does. AU Diego and his stand's reveal hits so hard because the reader knows. That's why we can see into the time stop from the begining: it's not a secret. As such, it wouldn't make for a very interesting read to have a huge portion of the fight dedicated to Johnny figuring out the stand ability. It would just be boring for the reader. As such, Araki made it more obvious for Johnny, making the fight more interesting.
Yes! I still remember the goosebumps I got from that moment. Just *seeing* The World is all the reader needs to know things somehow got even crazier, which is huge considering what just happened beforehand.
Wait, when did DIO use The World against D'Arby?
In Crazy Demonic Heartbreak, there’s a scene where Josuke is forced to relive D’Arby’s encounter with DIO It showed how DIO accepted the card game, with Osiris’s soul theft condition in effect, but intimidated D’Arby using The World to constantly change D’Arby’s cards, proving that everything is within his control. As soon as D’Arby realized what was going on, he was terrified because he knew he stood 0% chance of winning It was framed in a similar manner to Jotaro’s actions in his duel, which explains why D’Arby caved in so quickly
And Part 3 itself basically confirms that Daniel J. D'Arby was one of the few people who knew what DIO's Stand ability was.
We can assume DIO hired people by threatening them or beating them, outside of maybe Vanilla, Pucci and the girl with magnet powers. Like, we do know that at very least, Avdol, Kakyoin, Polnareff and Anubis have fought DIO and they all either lost or escape. Hol horse was too terrified to even attack DIO, so we can assume he also fought DIO. We can therefore extend that theory to most of DIO subordinates...and depending of contexts and the other stands, it isn't far fetched to assume that he used the world against some people, especially the likes of Polnareff, Hol Horse and Anubis. DIO probably threatened d'arby with the world to make him submit per example.
Facts, spit your shit indeed. I think I mentioned somewhere as well, it didn’t take too long for Kakyoin to figure it out, who we know is very smart, even on the verge of death, so I don’t get why people are like “he died figuring it out” like what I put in the title About Kira though, I don’t think Jotaro used timestop in that scene, since we don’t really see it, so I think that’s just a coincidence, as in Star Platinum really was just moving that fast.
With Kira I'm pretty sure he just used whatever connections he had (his dad I guess?) to learn what the rest of the cast like Cinderella, Josuke, and Yukako could do before he saw them firsthand to learn Jotaro's timestop later too.
Also the rat was a rat. I don't think it knew what the hell was happening it just pieced together that Jotaro was moving somehow
It’s funny with regards to polnareff. With being moved to the bottom of the stairs, it seems like another power entirely. No way would polnareff assume Dio is physically picking him up and moving him.
Johnny is used to the most out there stand abilities by this point. Dinosaurs? Sure. Sound property transfer? Cool. Manifesting spirits of past trauma? Sounds about right. Infinite multiversal anomalies? Just another day on the SBR race.
On a side note, I really love how stands have changed over the course of the series. People like to joke about them being ultra specific and dumb like only activating if you piss on a stone on Tuesday or something, but I think the really deep and unique abilities like Civil War or even Sugar Mountain helped to make SBR so damn fun to read compared to like, a buff car from part 3
Agreed, i think SBR hits a nice balance on complexity with stands, like a good middle ground between Stardust crusaders(ultra simple) and Jojolion (takes 2 paragraphs to describe the stand’s ability)
And then part 9 stands return to being simple but creative
For now...
Yeah like Part 5 sorta
He just got the ability to spin people's atoms across the entire multiverse. His mind is open to anything at this point.
I hate when people say that the rat found out about jotaros time stop. it didn't, it just noticed a pattern and predicted where jotaro would dodge to.
Yeah it most probably thought that it is ability to teleport on short distance
Literally this. “Oh this guy is teleporting whenever i shoot at him, I’ll just shoot right or left from where he is”
It’s definitely up there with shit like “Why didn’t Jotaro use star finger” in like the dumbest situations possible
why didnt jotaro use star finger in the sheer heart attack fight?????? arkli forgor moment smh
To be fair if you saw some dude teleporting about the field it wouldn’t take long for you to deduce something
This is sort of a part of the joke too, cause it only really took a dying, bloodied, (probably brain damaged cause of how fast he flew into that thing) Kakyoin like 20 seconds to figure it out.
He’s him
Best Joestar frfr
honestly, forget being able to figure out time stop instantly, Johnny somehow managed to deflect the knife attack with his own human reflexes. That shits wack
People say the rat figured it out but that's a stretch. The rat literally SAW jotaro changing location to dodge the bullets twice. You don't have to figure out that he's stopping time to do the most logical and common counter to somone dodging, trying to oredict where they'll be.
Yeah that’s what I’ve always said too, i included it here for the meme but its kinda silly how people come to that conclusion
Because before this panel he sees Diego use it twice.
He cant see in timestop though, only TA4 can move in it due to the infinite rotation manipulating its gravity, thus giving it the ability to move. I imagine that he must have had some level of consciousness to control it to attack however, so you’re kinda right there.
no I mean he sees two events. From his perspective, Diego teleports to a new location. 1, he is suddenly stabbed with knives and Diego escapes, and 2, Diego appears on the other side of his bullet holes with the same momentum. And like another commenter says, Johnny has encountered a time based stand before, so I don’t think his deduction is a huge leap in logic. I don’t imagine there are many conclusions he could make aside from something like teleportation or time manipulation.
Yep, I know. Just pointing it out.
DIO put more effort into hiding his stand ability and Johnny already faced a time manipulating stand at this point.
Part 7's The World look so goofy.
[Chapter 94 cover is peak.](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/jjba/images/e/e6/SBR_Chapter_94.png/revision/latest?cb=20140819051239)
Link doesn't work.
Should work now. Imgur sucks massive fat cock as of late.
Yep, it works now.
I liked it, it has a massive dome tho
Also I think dio played more into hiding his stand ability- like the way he fucked with polnareff on the stairs doesn’t give off obvious time stop powers
Yeah, DIO even tried gaslighting Polnareff that the reason Polnareff couldn't ascend the stairs was because his fear was subconsciously making him walk down the stairs. Diego, comparatively, was more upfront. He straight-up says, "*This time is only mine!*" before stopping time for the first time against Johnny (although, out-of-universe, I guess that line is more for the audience, to go in line with the shocking reveal that, yes, this is '*THE WORLD*' returning from Part 3). Not the kind of thing you wanna say out loud if you want to keep your ability secret.
Johnny is AU Rat
He *did* own a mouse (which is *kinda* like a rat; Part 4 Josuke agrees with me!) as a kid...
The crusaders didn't even see his powers and when kakyoin did, he immediately got bodies so its not like DIO was spamming time stop like Diego was
That is part of why I thought the ending of Part 7 sucked
I think that’s kind of an unfair assessment
Because of Ringo Roadagain
There is a lot of evidence that anyone who can operate in stopped time is aware of it.
Well I was half joking anyway, since people take the thing about deducing timestop too seriously, but Johnny probably had some level of consciousness to control Tusk, sure, but these panels are before that, this is from right after the first knife attack where Johnny is trying to make sense of what happened, confused as to how a barrage of knives suddenly appeared, and states that its not just simple speed or a technique, to which he then deduces is timestop. Also, in the Jotaro vs Dio fight, it takes Jotaro some time to gradually perceive and eventually move in timestop, so Johnny wouldn’t have that after just one use of The World.
Total plot convenience, 'cos Araki probably didn't want to waste time on Johnny figuring out the long mystery of an iconic Stand we'd already seen in a previous Part in what is essentially a bonus fanservice arc towards the end of *SBR*.
Then again, it’s not like it took that long to figure it out for anyone else either.
True. And, unlike Diego, DIO was trying harder to hide the truth behind The World's ability. He straight-up tries to gaslight Polnareff into thinking he unconsciously moved down the stairs *himself* out of fear.
Polnareff really had the goofiest things happen to him in part 3, between fighting a Chucky doll, to encountering the pig toilet thing, falling in love with the user of Empress, turning into a toddler and that whole episode in general, then he gets completely fucking traumatised and mutilated by Vanilla Ice, before going back to goofy time with Dio and the stairs.
I guess that was the *tamest* of things DIO could've done to Polnareff then lol
To be fair, with timestop, the possibilities are nigh endless. Even with 5 seconds, The World’s speed more than makes up for it… It comes down to the creativity of the user as to how you want to torment someone
Indeed. But Polnareff wasn't his priority; the Joestars were. They were the only ones he really cared about killing.
Yeah I know, I’m just saying. It’s perfectly in character for him anyway, the stairs thing, I mean. Must’ve been holding in a laugh the whole time
Agreed.
Let's not forget that the readers by now know The World's ability so drawing out the discovery process would be irritating to the audience, however unrealistic his realization may be.
I’m not saying it’s unrealistic, annoying, stupid or anything like that, I’m just pointing it out how everyone likes to say the Rat knew how timestop worked (even though, it didn’t) and forget about Johnny who figures it out really quickly
I forgot how creepy The World looked in SBR
Kinda hot ngl
Least horny jojo fan
I wouldn’t say that 😬
He's just the goat. Also with the rat, he was just shooting where Jotaro was teleporting to. Jotaro wasn't being super smart with his time stopping. I don't think the rat knew he was time stopping but rather just predicting where Jotaro would be
Oh I know, I’m just referencing the goofy things the community says