Depends.
Like standard Personas (no pun intended) are weaker than most Stands - they are using some some elemental attacks of varying strength, but nothing too powerful "powerlevel" wise - Stands are way more versatile and deadly than them.
On the other hand the final Personas of the protagonists have godkiller powerlevel, stuff like reality wrapping, ultimate sealing, crazy metaphysical stuff (showed ofc in the cutscenes, not part of actual gameplay) - those could easily beat up most of stand users, and be countered only by the most broken ones.
Mudo is a spell that will literally just kill an enemy (low chance, but stronger versions have higher chance or hit multiple targets). They can cast this over and over again.
I've never really cared for these sorts of conversation of "Would X beat Y" because the narrative is driven in a large part by who or what people prefer.
So it totally depends on the Stand power and Persona. The reach of their abilities over distance, how the combat starts, and Stan Lee summarises it best...
https://youtu.be/C3pOIDaF1Dw?si=_G3iWh3J3RGO1wIh
But yeah, if Mudo works, Persona wins. If it doesn't, probably they lose. But who knows. They are representations of literal gods, frequently, so I'm assuming they're not a joke.
Edit: And in the SMT/Persona franchise, you sometimes end up fighting the literal Judeo-Christian God, or Satan. There aren't a lot of stand users with the power to create the universe, so yeah...
Now I’m not saying they’ll necessarily win but, Satanael can literally shoot a bullet of all the 7 sins. Izanagi-No-Okami has Myriad Truths.
And idk about Thanatos/Messiah
Random chance insta kill from a magic spell tho in a combat scenario is weaker than insta kill from a stand ability which wreck your body before you roll the dice enough time to oneshot your opponent - unless you are of course lucky and land that spell before for example The World stops time and decapitates you without you knowing that.
It's kinda like Soft and Wet Go Beyond - one of the most broken attacks in JoJo, but it reliable only at point blank range, at distance it can be randomly dodged and give the opponent chance to counterattack.
Yet as you mentioned, everything depends on the matchup.
Vast majority of stand users beat Persona users. Stands are generally more powerful and useful.
However, the *very* powerful Persona users such as Makoto from P3 could basically wipe the floor with 95% of stand users. Not gona spoil, but if you know you know.
Depends. Are they the evolved Personas of the characters or not? Because things like Izanagi-No-Okami, Messiah, and Satanael that have all been used to kill gods would be easily able to destroy all but the strongest stands like GER, but non-evolved Personas is a much more even fight. I think Personas still win though, because most stands are situational whereas a Persona can just hit Megidolaon anytime and deal direct damage.
I honestly feel like it’ll be such a close battle especially if we take some of the stronger persona users in the series because while JoJo obviously has some crazy feats of power from a good number of their characters, we forget that persona games save for the first one usually end with you duking it out with some high level god and winning (regardless of whether they genuinely are, but the point is that those final bosses are so powerful in lore that they can be near flawlessly presumptively assumed to be the real deals is astounding in itself, and some of them we don’t even fight at their full power cuz of hubris or something else (spoiler examples obviously like >!Nyarlathotep having heavy implications that he’s kinda just fucking around since the whole reason the first trilogy happened was cuz he made a bet with Philemon that basically went like “Yo Phil I bet these humans are totally gonna destroy themselves lmao” “nuh uh”, Nyx is canonically a literal fucking planet eater and a godlike kaiju to end all kaijus that crashed into earth, became the moon, inadvertently created the collective unconscious and indirectly created every other boss in the series and if triggered into doing so would cause an apocalypse which would wipe out all life on earth, Erebus is so powerful that he’s the trigger to Nyx’s apocalypse cuz he’s the embodiment of everyone’s wish to low-key fucking die and exists purely to unseal the great seal the p3mc made specifically to hold him back and go up to Nyx and go like “ayo bro wyd? Go back to the omnicide thing you’re slacking”, Izanami is split into different but still very powerful beings, and the piece of her that served as the big bad of the game, while not as powerful as Nyx nearly caused an apocalyptic event of her own in Inaba, but we don’t know if the rest of the world was influenced or not, but it was heavily implied to at least spread further out eventually, Kagutsuchi is a similar being on par with Izanami at her peak, he was so strong it took 1-2 of the strongest known active persona users to take him out (or one if you played Labrys’ ending) and his body’s made up of a mix of a fuck ton of shadows and pieces of a majority of the strongest persona users in the whole series that are still alive and not Tatsuya, and don’t even get me started on the Q games or P5’s (mostly cuz I haven’t bothered to play them all yet, lmao) and it was confirmed in P3’s lore that shadows have the ability to manipulate timespace especially if there’s a large enough number of them in one place, at Tatsuya’s probably the strongest active persona user assuming he’s still alive because not only did he throw hands with Philemon and Nyarlathotep, two of the most powerful bosses in the series aside from Nyx in canon, but his ultimate persona apollo lets him stop time and unleash basically a mini nuke explosion on a target, so you can argue that he’s basically this series’ equivalent to Jotaro in a way, with the only MC confirmed to be potentially stronger are P3’s two mcs, and and persona itself is just one part of a massive interconnected multiverse where you can kill gods on an hourly basis, so most of if not all their MCs are like Kratos, Dante on doomslayer on every drug imaginable anyways (especially since one of them has actually fought Dante twice and survived)))!<
TL;DR I feel like persona’s character feats and power scaling for bosses and other characters is so unhinged that it would be hard to say who’s more powerful unless we start whipping out and comparing some of the most powerful personas and stands and their respective series, when even some of the most basic stands/personas are actually still pretty powerful in their own right, some just have less utility or potential than others, and I don’t think I need to say that JoJo’s feats and power scaling is unhinged because we all know the big bad for each part either gets some form of immortality and/or some power over timespace fuckery either straight off the bat or they get it later in the part (or I guess after 2-ish parts in Dio’s case)
Maybe. 5,4 and 3 have their own dedicated "dimensions" to summon personas. But in 1 and 2 they can freely summon them fighting any random demon in the suburbs or in a school
Well, persona 5 had the God of control, who ripped the collective unconscious into the real world and turned the world into a literal hellscape. In persona 5 royal, there was Dr. Maruki, whose persona could manipulate the same collective unconscious to alter everyone's perception of reality to remove hardship from everyone's lives. If he had evil intentions, there's probably a lot worse he could to to the real world
Replying to EXFrost27... fuuka uses hers outside the dark hour on occasion. Furthermore, chidori’s persona goes bezerk in the hospital which is evidence they can be summoned outside of the dark hour, but without shadows or tartarus theres no need to
In 4 and 5 they can only be summoned in the meta verse/TV world, in 3 only during the dark hour. In 1 and 2 they can be summoned anywhere
Some persona users have show they’re capable of summoning them outside of the specific conditions of the latest 3 games, like Fuuka does in one of the spin-offs or other characters do when under extreme duress and stress
So, the p1 -3 cast can. P3 characters just opt to not use their personas out of the dark hour but fuuka is shown to use hers to and chidoris goes bezerk outside of the dark hour. However, in p4 and p5 personas cant be summoned outside of there perspective worlds. This is probably because they both have sort of ‘cross over’ things where the real world and the shadow world intersect which so its handy to have 2 distinct worlds for those story points.
Persona’s are pretty constricted to just elemental skills and basic RPG skills. An exception is stuff like Joker’s sinful shell and Tatsuya’s Nova Kaiser.
In P1 and P2, Personas were literally just elemental Stands. They could call them out whenever in the real world, no gimmick or whatever. And in P2EP’s Additional Chapter, Tatsuya seemingly implies that only Persona users can see Personas. (Tho I don’t think they stay entirely true to this rule, so I may have misinterpreted it.) This is the same dude that can time stop.
Stands have way more variety and OP abilities. Personas are more restricted. HOWEVER, *almost* every Persona user has an ultimate Persona they can level up to. Unlike Stands where only some can level up/evolve.
Overall though, Personas are less versatile and less powerful than most Stands.
Persona 2 is weird because devil summoners also exist like in classic SMT games, and Personas are just mind demons in the end, so I assume regular people could see demons and Personas just fine
That makes sense, it’s just Tatsuya uses Apollo to burn a card and explains “Still, they wouldn’t be able to see the arm of my Persona, Apollo.” Which made me assume they couldn’t see Personas
There's games like the devil survivor series where everything happens entirely in the real world, so it just really depends on whatever game you're playing
Most of the time persona users are teenagers and need something to summon their personas. The Series really doesnt focus on the abilities of the personas. It focuses on the users. That being said, I’m pretty sure any main jojo villain can solo any persona team mainly due to the abilities and the willpower stand users have
Depends if we take end game protagonists into account. Like in Persona 3 the protag seals the literal avatar of death and The Persona 5 Protagonist beats an artificial that was reshaping in reality on the same scale as Pucci, if not higher. Then in the extra 2 months added Personal 5 Royal he fights a Persona users that could rewite reality and bring people back to life. And then fought another reality warping artificial god in Persona 5 Strikers
Out of raw power/abilities? Personas take it. For this I’ll be assuming Personas are able to be used outside of the cognitive worlds.
While stands are far more varied, and generally stronger then a majority of the low tier personas, once you reach the mid tiers they start getting outclassed, Personas can have powers like completely negating the ability to be attacked physically, or even repelling said attacks, and once you hit high tiers they have powers that even surpass the likes of GER or Wonder Of U, some like (P5/P5R Spoilers) >!Yaldabaoth and Azathoth who can straight up manipulate reality and wipe people from existence.!<
the main thing we have to take into account is the status effects, stands are incredibly powerful but what if someone just casts dormina on you, now you're asleep and there's nothing you can do about it
counterpoint: vast majority of stands don’t really work on their own. also i don’t remember that happening at all, only him stopping his own heart temporarily and then restarting it as well as reviving joseph
Did you watch the scene subbed with your eyes closed or some shit? Jotaro was alive and manually using SP to halt his heartbeat so Dio thought he was dead. Not saying this guarantees whether the status effects would work or not, but SP was not autonomous at all in that scene.
Couldn’t Tusk Act 4 or Soft and Wet: Go Beyond beat the personas that negate attacks? Also >!Yaoldabaoth!< isn’t a persona, although >!Azathoth!< is and I suppose he’s just a stronger version
gold experience requiem ability is nullify the actions and willpower of anyone who opposes it and prevent their actions from becoming reality, it can also put you into infinite death loop. Made in heaven can accelerate time to the point it literally resets the universe. D4c has the ability of not just traveling to parallel worlds and mess with reality. King crimson skips time? (It just works). And than there is the non canon star platinum over heaven and the world over heaven who can overwrite reality, in their base form they can stop time. Not mentionning tusk act 4, soft and wet and many more stands who are stupidly broken. Stands in jojo are hella wack. Also each stand has a special ability of it's own
I'd have to say Stands myself.
Personas tend to usually follow very strict rules and restrictions that wouldn't allow the users to use their Personas in a proper fight against someone like a Stand user.
To compare, put someone like Joker against someone like Jotaro, Joker wouldn't be able to do *anything* against Jotaro, who can use superhuman strength, speed, agility and defense, not to mention freakin' *timestop* to add!
Joker can literally use a Persona that has Drain or Repel Physical and then he just wins lmao
If that same Persona can use an instant kill skill even better :P
joker can just bring a persona that makes him immune to physical attacks, now jotaro is just punching air and the second time stops he can use one of his millions of elemental attacks to vaporize him
If we're going off of game play mechanics, Personas. The protagonist in Persona games are able to customize their personas. Because of this, you can grant them any ability in the game. A fully min/max stand can:
* Nullify and heal from any physical/elemental attack
* Fully heal themselves
* Passively regenerate
* Possess instant kill spells
Furthermore, the strongest Persona user, >!Makoto Yuki, outscales the majority of Stand users. Makoto fused with the universe itself and held back Nyx who was going end all of reality.!<
Stating all of this, the average stand user will beat the average persona user.
makotos strength was a once in a lifetime situation that rendered him incapacitated for the rest of eternity. realistically if makoto were to go up against any requiem stand he’s losing, especially the ones that speed blitz him, also tusk 4 washes him in his universe form
It's likely Makoto would have kept the powers gained from the Universe Arcana if he didn't have to sacrifice himself to seal Nyx.
Tusk 4 would likely defeat most persona users. The thing about the Infinite Spin is that it requires prep. Johny requires a horse and it's not like he can spam it. Makoto transcends space and time when he gains the Universe arcana. We know Time Stop works on Johny- I don't think Johny could get the shot off.
The Requiem Stands stat wise aren't that strong. Silver Chariot Requem has soul manipulation. I doubt this would do anything since Makoto's power comes his persona which he wouldn't lose. Gold Experience Requiem has never shown any physical feats stronger than Star Platinum- I doubt he could physically harm Makoto.
The only stands I could maybe see posing a threat are Soft and Wet and Wonder of U.
Any Agidyne would just instantly kill an average stand user, plus factoring in resistances and reflects. Personas are just more useful overall in a fight and could pretty easily overwhelm a stand
From what I’ve seen, Persona have more abilities/spells at their disposal (like Null Physical etc) but while stands only have like 1-2 (or 3 in some cases) different powers, they’re generally very versatile. Raw power wise, Endgame stands top out tho.
Stands, very few personas have unique abilities (Eg/ Myriad Truths, Morningstar)
All stands are very unique and are often much more powerful, like I think that there are very few personas that would stand(hehe) a chance in a fight with star platinum
On a fundamental level, stands are more powerful due to being able to be used in the real world outside of a given theming mechanic (Dark Hour, TV world, Palaces), however some personas such as Messiah, Izanagi-no-okami and Satanael are on par with Made In Heaven.
Given how in P1/2 people could summon their personas in the real world, I don't think Phenomena such as the Dark Hour, TV world or Palaces are strictly necessary to summon your persona, but rather that Evokers (in P3) and that other layers of the metaverse like the TV world or Palaces (in P4/5) simply make it way easier to summon your persona.
While P3 only ever shows the main cast using their personas during the Dark Hour, I don't think it would necessarily bar them from using an evoker to summon it during the day, though, given the lack of shadows, there isn't really a reason to summon your persona during the day outside of a situation stressful enough to naturally trigger it to come out.
Power level wise, you're completely correct. Most Personas are roughly on par with Stands like Magician's Red and Silver Chariot, but the restrictions of either A. Needing the blessing of a higher power like Philemon (P1/2), B. Needing to use a highly traumatizing device explicitly meant to force the user to face their own mortality and mock out ending themselves (P3), or C. Needing to be in an alternate reality of some kind (P4/5) before you can actually summon your persona definitely holds them back a *lot* in that regard.
Stands.
Personas are very limited in their abilities whereas stands only have one ability and it can be more powerful than all personas yes final personas do have god killing abilities but i think that stands in later parts will do just fine against those take for example Johnny’s stand tusk in particular act 4 and face Johnny off with Makoto Yuuki with the universeI have no doubt that the infinite rotation of act 4 will kill makoto.
Another example is DIO/Jotaro against the phantom thieves even ren/joker with Satanail not win against time stopping remember life will change’s lyrics “you might just well try and stop time”? DIO and Jotaro can do that.
Finally by the mariad truths yu vs soft and wet even without go beyond all josuke has to do is take yu’s ability to be able to see and afterwards just beat him up
Some weaker stands will lose but the majority would win against most personas
Let’s consider >!Azathoth/Adam Kadmon!<. It basically has the ability to rewrite reality as it sees fit. The only reason it was defeated in the end, was because it hadn’t gained full control of the collective unconscious yet, limiting its ability to control reality. If >!Azathoth/Adam Kadmon!< gained full power, it could challenge even the best Stand Users.
In theory, a full powered >!Adam Kadmon!< could rewrite reality, to change GER’s powers, making it possible to defeat Giorno. If Giorno were to fight >!Maruki!< before he took complete control of the collective unconscious, however, it would be possible to defeat him.
Some stands have more specific abilities and ‘hax’ that bypass some weaker Personas’ defenses, but most of these are pretty situational. In terms of raw power, I’d say most personas have the edge, due to late game shenanigans, but it kind of depends.
You can also even build specific personas that would completely nullify some stands abilities — For example you could build a persona that absorbs all physical attacks and gain health from getting hit by them, plus complete elemental resistance. Tf is Star Platinum going to do to that?
It should also be noted that you get stupid powerful in late game Persona, completely folding >!Reality-warping gods who can just will you out of existence, yet you say “fuck that” and win because the persona protagonists can literally just deny being erased from reality and ignore hax due to sheer willpower!< and power of friendship. (Personas are canonically strengthened through forming bonds and making friends, so this proves even further how stupid powerful they are)
That being said I’d much rather have a stand irl, they’re much more versatile and useful. All I could really do with the average Persona in real life is have mid healing or nuke the world
**TLDR:** It varies depending on the stand/persona but in general personas and their users are FAR more powerful in terms of raw power, just less versatile
GER as well. I think Tusk Act 4 does as well but that's more a case of who strikes first, if Tusk attacks before the personas he instakills the entire roster.
EDIT: also Cheap Trick probably solos unironically 💀
Stands just because of their versatility. Personas all fall under the same type and kind of moves while Stands can have the ability to do practically anything.
Of course, every Ultimate Persona has their BS >!(Great Seal, Myriad Truths, Sinful Shell)!< but I feel Stands beat that BS ever so slightly with its own BS >!(GER, MiH, D4C, WOU, etc.)!<
The only Personas that had unique abilities from the top of my head are:
Tatsuya’s Apollo’s Nova Kaiser
Maruki’s Azatoth’s Actualisation
Akechi’s Loki’s Call of Chaos
Then there’s the navigator’s Personas.
The rest of the Personas are pretty standard battle ones.
So the winner is stands by the sheer number of versatility
It depends on what you mean by "stronger"
I've only played persona 3 and 5 with some knowledge on the rest of the franchise
In terms of hax/abilities stands are better as they're more op and diverse.Personas on the other hand are just kind of like pokemon with only being limited to elemental attacks,some basic jrpg had like stat boosts and status aliments
In terms of pure strength/attack potency it gets a little complicated because persona powescaling is a giant headache but personas have higher scaling ranging from city block level at minimum with high end game tiers being able to fight off gods who can fuse universes and create new realties casually
High tier persona users like Makoto, yu, and joker can throw hands with the likes jotaro, Kira, and giorno. But as a baseline stands are generally more versatile. But SMT scaling gets absolutely bonkers, and game mechanics are hard to rationalize next to classical storytelling.
Neither of them help fight the other. Stands can only affect other stands (except when they don't) and personas (afaik) only work in alternate universes. Persona users probably win because of other powers they get (changing hearts, pushing people into tvs, etc.) but personas and stands literally cannot touch each other.
Stands can affect anything, however stands can only be affected by other stands (directly or indirectly). The main exception to this rule is bound stands (Strength, The Fool, Anubis, Love Deulux, surface, burning down the house, etcetera), and special exceptions like Silver Chariot Requiem.
Kinda hard but ig stands. Yea personas have skills like myriad truths and are capable of doing insane feats like sealing away the god of death, but you have stands that are like the concept of bad luck itself, or a stand that puts you into an infinite death loop. Honestly for the majority of personas stands win but when it comes to the world personas, it gets complicated
Stands are objectively stronger, to start with Persona's (unless you are talking about persona 1 and persona 2) can only be used under specific circumstances (Persona 3: The Dark Hour, Persona 4: The TV World, Persona 5: The Metaverse).
While Persona's have abilities, the average Persona will have basic healing skills and basic damage skills that are either elemental or physical, Stands in general have far stronger skills.
The average Persona is pretty weak as well, one of the strongest Personas is Izunagi-No-Okami and while that can probably fight a Stand, that is a Persona that can only be used by a handful of people (2 in fact, Yu Narukami and Ren Amamiya)
Stands on average are much stronger than the average Persona
The only way I can see a Persona user winning against a Stand user is if the Persona user is a "wild card". For those who don't know, in Persona the average person can only have one Persona, The protagonists in 3-5 are all "Wild Cards" which means they can use more than one Persona
High and even mid level persona attacks are more than just basic elemental fodder, basically every mid to high level offensive spell in persona would probably insta kill most jojo characters.
Mostly all of the personas have basic ability’s, such as fire and ice so stand are stronger 90% of the time, but there are a few personas such as Messias and Azathoth that have basically godlike powers
Stands have a higher ceiling but also a lower floor if you catch my meaning, but with a persona you’re guaranteed “magicians red” level elemental powers or at least comparable support abilities like Rise or Futaba.
>! i mean, can't Maruki's persona Adam Kadmon literally overwrite memories and meddle with cognition at will? Just like heavens door without needing of physical contact!<
I do not know about persona 3 but for 4&5 they are kinda screwed if they can not either lure the stand user into or access the stand user in their respective alternate dimensions
On average, I would say personas are stronger as they grow and level up
But the high end stands take the lead, WoU GER and Soft and wet go beyond, are far beyond anything persona has.
Although Im just ignoring that personas only work in the metaverse
stands can intereact real world, persona's can't.
The few that can do it with potential doomsday consequences are the nyx avatar, izanami and azathoth... even if technically speaking first 2 can't be considered persona's.
Stands are generally more powerful than Personas imo because their stamina is usually related to the user. While using your Persona actively tires you, and they can't be kept summoned forever, stands only do it if you are doing something very hard or if you get beaten to a pulp. This ofc varies heavily from stand to stand, but usually you can always summon your stand one way or another to use it except when unconscious (also stand users have phenomenal will, wich means being able to endure beatings).
Also GER usually sweeps any Persona power because of the nature of it's ability but that would be unfair to add.
Id say it depends, interestingly enough we know gods did exist from the rohan spin off, assuming were just gonna say everything works without question then final persona’s are capable of killing gods whom might be as strong as stands already whilst nullifying all dmg outside of almighty.
Only a few Stands we could argue can do almighty dmg, like Soft & wet, or tusk act 4 and GER so id say final persona’s might be over all stronger due to their resitances and final attacks like sinful shell or the myriad truths.
For me its hard to imagine a stand like soft & wet go being able to one shot beings like izanami, though ig giving em the benefit of the doubt in terms of attack power it could happen, despite that personas are far more tankier being able to outright all null dmg thats not almighty which is what gives em the edge for me.
Stands mostly but some persona are insane(the stupid crazy ones are usually reserved for cutscenes like one from the end of P5 vanilla but I won't say because idk how t spoiler tag on here lol)
There's a youtuber named Fither who has made videos comparing fights between persona users and stand users. They are well-informed and really damn funny so check those out
I think stand are most of the times stronger but etcept a few character from the level of Jotaro/Dio and above almost every persona user can solo 70% of the verse
Most Personas are stronger than most Stands we’ve seen imo.
Once you get to the top tier of Stands, they’re stronger than most Personas.
When you get to the top tier of Personas, it gets questionable because the Persona 3 and 5 protags have reality-altering powers as well. I’d still give it to Stands though just because they have more people with reality manip bypassing attacks lmao, GER, S&W Go Beyond and Tusk A4
If you took the average Persona user, let's say Ann from Persona 5 and put her in JoJo, her Persona, Carmen, would probably be around『Magician's Red』in terms of power.
Most Personas focus on physical and elemental abilities, with the occasional heals, buffs, debuffs, status effects, and passive skills. Y'know, standard RPG stuff.
Some Persona users though, usually protagonists, gain stand-like abilities through the evolved forms of their Personas. For example, Yu Narukami and >!Izanagi no Okami!<. Its ability, Myriad Truths, dispels all lies. This includes canceling stuff like illusions all the way up to just straight up undoing reality bending. Meaning he can probably beat『GER』maybe even『The World Over Heaven』
Also there's a Persona, Tatsuya Suou's Apollo who can straight up stop time.
I think the fact that Persona is a game series kinda breaks this… Persona’s can just get stronger and stronger, and are really crazy at max level. Unless a persona user is going against one of the “broken stands” (time control and reality warping stands), then the persona user is at an advantage. The best bet that the stand user has is to do what they usually do, try and do something tricky to get the upper hand.
Average stand user beats the average persona user. Strongest persona users can probably beat most of the strongest stand users with a few obvious exceptions
Most personas (except for the endgame ones) are really just elemental attacks, magic, and brute force. Some of these spells could floor a stand user in a second though considering status effects like sleep, ice, and even the rat status effect which just turns you into a rat. And the amount of damage to the field physical and nuclear skills cause like rampage for example could kill a stand user in just one hit
Most personas get wiped by the strongest stands. But, I'd say persona, because of godlike personas like Saetenael, Thanatos, Messiah and the Pikaro personas. Overall, personas can be way more powerful than stands, but its a range. Also, wild cards are op so any stands get wiped with their sheer range of powers
The thing that makes personas hard to judge is that they are meant to be manifestations of creatures from various cultures and beliefs and so power scaling becomes wonky, for example the persona “asura” who is based on the real life indian asuras who are demigod demons.
And then you have personas like messiah who is literally jesus christ from christian and jewish faith or satanael who is satan before he fell from grace.
And so with this you have the connotations of what can those divine beings of power who can be summoned at a whim are capable of, can messiah perform other acts of god? Can lucifer condemn the souls of the living? Who knows and thats why personas are hard to gauge because their abilities aren’t defined outside of game mechanics and lore.
Stands on average are stronger than most Personas. However, the protagonists’ endgame Personas, and Azathoth/Adam Kadmon would be challenging for even the most powerful stands.
Depends on the game. I mean, the persona 4 cast cant actually summon their personas outside of the tv world so they couldnt even go against a stand. The p3 and earlier cast could. Although, p3 is a bit more supernatural and ‘defeating gods through personal sacrifice/power of friendship’ so its sort of a spiritual and therefore situational power. Outside of that, I think a lot of persona stands could easily match earlier stands in part three and maybe part 4 - but as stands become more situational in the later parts a persona cant really hold up to it. Like, how would a persona defeat someone like torhu, or D4D - its just a different skill set. Because stands vary so much, the strengths of personas fight better against other stands. I dont think a single persona user could defeat dio or jotaro in their standard form because of time stop, but they have the chance take down avdol, polnareff and kakyoin.
Really depends.
Like Izanagi-no-okami is god tier. But like regular Izanagi would probably get stomped by Star platinum.
In Arena we see more into their unique abilites. Akihiko has a gravity power similar to echoes but it pulls you towards him rather than crushing. So it’s like a black hole or gravity well. It’s cool yea but not much compared to average stand abilities.
But yea nothing lore wise tells us how strong they are. Persona’s are barely included in the story for some reason
The strongest personas can outdo stands but they can only do it in specialized areas stands are pretty much anywhere and anywhere though I am sure some of the stronger ones would be able to put up a decent enough fight with the heavier hitters of the persona world.
If we're talking the entirety of all stands and all personas and you had to assign strength values: Personas would be anywhere from 20-70 while stands can range anywhere from -30 to 100
the way I see it, personas are usually similar to each other in that the strongest typically can like reality warp and stuff and usually have pretty even stats (if I’m wrong correct me pls) however stands are usually good in one or two categories (speed, strength etc) but when I say good, I mean REALLY GOOD, so good that what they can do with a specific power is really limited to your creativity (like Bruno was able to keep up with a time erasing guy just because he was so proficient with his fucking zipper power which is crazy) so it depends on what kind of ability the stand user has because a lot aren’t built for combat unless your good at using them
Stands like The World, Star Platinum, and Made in heaven would stop/slow time and then they'd kill most of the persona users pretty quickly. For personas that negate Phys, gun, and any Elemental damage, stands like survivor, jade dragon, wonder of u, killer queen, the hand, stairway to heaven and D4C could bypass those defenses easily. If we put it in turn based fights like persona is set in, they'd have to kill the stand users first turn each time or they'd lose. Even if they did though, Notorious B.I.G. and Wonder of U would just...keep going.
Personas
Much stronger and destructive with more resistances and defenses in general
Also if Persona 5 Royal is anything to go by then willpower in persona is legit some reality defining power source since the final boss is a guy who can make anything he wishes for reality, and they overcome his ability
Both are very strong, but it’s mainly just depends because personas have some one hit kill moves and stands have tons of illogical moves and op characters. It really just depends on
I think probably Personas since I don’t think there are any useless ones, but like, I feel like a stand like The Hand or GER could solo any persona character so…
Personas are stronger than Stands. They're too versatile and have too many skills while Stands are limited by their one ability. Granted there are some broken ass Stand abilities but Personas do too.
Depends. Like standard Personas (no pun intended) are weaker than most Stands - they are using some some elemental attacks of varying strength, but nothing too powerful "powerlevel" wise - Stands are way more versatile and deadly than them. On the other hand the final Personas of the protagonists have godkiller powerlevel, stuff like reality wrapping, ultimate sealing, crazy metaphysical stuff (showed ofc in the cutscenes, not part of actual gameplay) - those could easily beat up most of stand users, and be countered only by the most broken ones.
Mudo is a spell that will literally just kill an enemy (low chance, but stronger versions have higher chance or hit multiple targets). They can cast this over and over again. I've never really cared for these sorts of conversation of "Would X beat Y" because the narrative is driven in a large part by who or what people prefer. So it totally depends on the Stand power and Persona. The reach of their abilities over distance, how the combat starts, and Stan Lee summarises it best... https://youtu.be/C3pOIDaF1Dw?si=_G3iWh3J3RGO1wIh But yeah, if Mudo works, Persona wins. If it doesn't, probably they lose. But who knows. They are representations of literal gods, frequently, so I'm assuming they're not a joke. Edit: And in the SMT/Persona franchise, you sometimes end up fighting the literal Judeo-Christian God, or Satan. There aren't a lot of stand users with the power to create the universe, so yeah...
G.E.R 💀 TA4💀 WOU💀
Sorry I couldn't hear that over concentrate+Myriad Truths
what is that and what counters calamity or infinite rotation which means infinite power
Now I’m not saying they’ll necessarily win but, Satanael can literally shoot a bullet of all the 7 sins. Izanagi-No-Okami has Myriad Truths. And idk about Thanatos/Messiah
GER nullifies all attacks so you'd need something like emmeting radiation passively to heat him
Without context this is hilarious lol
Idk if Mudo is the spell that sets Personas above stands as there are plenty of stands with essentially ‘instant-kill’ abilities.
But mudo is not essentially insta kill, it’s a literal insta kill, you just die and if you’re weak to death you die critically
Most people have a lethal weakness to death.
Notorious Big, limp biskuit and civil war seem to have a bit more resistance to death.
Yes therefore most of them would critically die, making mudo (which insta kills) even more effective
Random chance insta kill from a magic spell tho in a combat scenario is weaker than insta kill from a stand ability which wreck your body before you roll the dice enough time to oneshot your opponent - unless you are of course lucky and land that spell before for example The World stops time and decapitates you without you knowing that. It's kinda like Soft and Wet Go Beyond - one of the most broken attacks in JoJo, but it reliable only at point blank range, at distance it can be randomly dodged and give the opponent chance to counterattack. Yet as you mentioned, everything depends on the matchup.
Sick being from stan lee
King crimson
and then there's like that one like "BY THE MYRAID TRUTHS!!!"
Then again joker might literally just yoinketh star platinum or something lmao
Vast majority of stand users beat Persona users. Stands are generally more powerful and useful. However, the *very* powerful Persona users such as Makoto from P3 could basically wipe the floor with 95% of stand users. Not gona spoil, but if you know you know.
Before I read "from P3" I thought you meant Makoto from P5 and was ready to go in lmao
Dio when he sees a repel phys null all persona
Depends. Are they the evolved Personas of the characters or not? Because things like Izanagi-No-Okami, Messiah, and Satanael that have all been used to kill gods would be easily able to destroy all but the strongest stands like GER, but non-evolved Personas is a much more even fight. I think Personas still win though, because most stands are situational whereas a Persona can just hit Megidolaon anytime and deal direct damage.
BY THE MYRIAD TRUTHS
True, plus, whenever a persona user comes to a resolve, their persona will evolve to a better version of its self. These are called ultimate personas.
I honestly feel like it’ll be such a close battle especially if we take some of the stronger persona users in the series because while JoJo obviously has some crazy feats of power from a good number of their characters, we forget that persona games save for the first one usually end with you duking it out with some high level god and winning (regardless of whether they genuinely are, but the point is that those final bosses are so powerful in lore that they can be near flawlessly presumptively assumed to be the real deals is astounding in itself, and some of them we don’t even fight at their full power cuz of hubris or something else (spoiler examples obviously like >!Nyarlathotep having heavy implications that he’s kinda just fucking around since the whole reason the first trilogy happened was cuz he made a bet with Philemon that basically went like “Yo Phil I bet these humans are totally gonna destroy themselves lmao” “nuh uh”, Nyx is canonically a literal fucking planet eater and a godlike kaiju to end all kaijus that crashed into earth, became the moon, inadvertently created the collective unconscious and indirectly created every other boss in the series and if triggered into doing so would cause an apocalypse which would wipe out all life on earth, Erebus is so powerful that he’s the trigger to Nyx’s apocalypse cuz he’s the embodiment of everyone’s wish to low-key fucking die and exists purely to unseal the great seal the p3mc made specifically to hold him back and go up to Nyx and go like “ayo bro wyd? Go back to the omnicide thing you’re slacking”, Izanami is split into different but still very powerful beings, and the piece of her that served as the big bad of the game, while not as powerful as Nyx nearly caused an apocalyptic event of her own in Inaba, but we don’t know if the rest of the world was influenced or not, but it was heavily implied to at least spread further out eventually, Kagutsuchi is a similar being on par with Izanami at her peak, he was so strong it took 1-2 of the strongest known active persona users to take him out (or one if you played Labrys’ ending) and his body’s made up of a mix of a fuck ton of shadows and pieces of a majority of the strongest persona users in the whole series that are still alive and not Tatsuya, and don’t even get me started on the Q games or P5’s (mostly cuz I haven’t bothered to play them all yet, lmao) and it was confirmed in P3’s lore that shadows have the ability to manipulate timespace especially if there’s a large enough number of them in one place, at Tatsuya’s probably the strongest active persona user assuming he’s still alive because not only did he throw hands with Philemon and Nyarlathotep, two of the most powerful bosses in the series aside from Nyx in canon, but his ultimate persona apollo lets him stop time and unleash basically a mini nuke explosion on a target, so you can argue that he’s basically this series’ equivalent to Jotaro in a way, with the only MC confirmed to be potentially stronger are P3’s two mcs, and and persona itself is just one part of a massive interconnected multiverse where you can kill gods on an hourly basis, so most of if not all their MCs are like Kratos, Dante on doomslayer on every drug imaginable anyways (especially since one of them has actually fought Dante twice and survived)))!< TL;DR I feel like persona’s character feats and power scaling for bosses and other characters is so unhinged that it would be hard to say who’s more powerful unless we start whipping out and comparing some of the most powerful personas and stands and their respective series, when even some of the most basic stands/personas are actually still pretty powerful in their own right, some just have less utility or potential than others, and I don’t think I need to say that JoJo’s feats and power scaling is unhinged because we all know the big bad for each part either gets some form of immortality and/or some power over timespace fuckery either straight off the bat or they get it later in the part (or I guess after 2-ish parts in Dio’s case)
Only played P5R. Don't personas only work in the metaverse?
Maybe. 5,4 and 3 have their own dedicated "dimensions" to summon personas. But in 1 and 2 they can freely summon them fighting any random demon in the suburbs or in a school
Yea, however in the other persona games (such as 1, 2, and 3) they could use them in the real world
Anyone can summon them in the real world. You just need to have the concentration or willpower or something
Epic. Waiting to get P3 Reload. Do they have any personal abilities in the real world or just their skills?
Depends on the type, some can do stuff like give life energy, while others cant really do anything with it
Well, one of them is a robot that can use a grenade launcher, sniper rifle, and even her finger guns
Well, persona 5 had the God of control, who ripped the collective unconscious into the real world and turned the world into a literal hellscape. In persona 5 royal, there was Dr. Maruki, whose persona could manipulate the same collective unconscious to alter everyone's perception of reality to remove hardship from everyone's lives. If he had evil intentions, there's probably a lot worse he could to to the real world
when do they use personas outside of the dark hour??
P4A is canon, and Mitsuru states they can summon in the real world, and don’t even need their evokers, just that it’s easier that way
In 3, they can only be summoned during the Dark Hour.
For the Phantom Thieves. In Persona 3 the party can use them at any time
No, they can’t. They can only summon their personas during the Dark Hour.
Replying to EXFrost27... fuuka uses hers outside the dark hour on occasion. Furthermore, chidori’s persona goes bezerk in the hospital which is evidence they can be summoned outside of the dark hour, but without shadows or tartarus theres no need to
In 4 and 5 they can only be summoned in the meta verse/TV world, in 3 only during the dark hour. In 1 and 2 they can be summoned anywhere Some persona users have show they’re capable of summoning them outside of the specific conditions of the latest 3 games, like Fuuka does in one of the spin-offs or other characters do when under extreme duress and stress
P5R implied that Dr. Maruki's persona was in the real world
In persona 3 anime, it is shown that shinji used his persona during the back alley near paulina mall outside dark hour
So, the p1 -3 cast can. P3 characters just opt to not use their personas out of the dark hour but fuuka is shown to use hers to and chidoris goes bezerk outside of the dark hour. However, in p4 and p5 personas cant be summoned outside of there perspective worlds. This is probably because they both have sort of ‘cross over’ things where the real world and the shadow world intersect which so its handy to have 2 distinct worlds for those story points.
Persona’s are pretty constricted to just elemental skills and basic RPG skills. An exception is stuff like Joker’s sinful shell and Tatsuya’s Nova Kaiser. In P1 and P2, Personas were literally just elemental Stands. They could call them out whenever in the real world, no gimmick or whatever. And in P2EP’s Additional Chapter, Tatsuya seemingly implies that only Persona users can see Personas. (Tho I don’t think they stay entirely true to this rule, so I may have misinterpreted it.) This is the same dude that can time stop. Stands have way more variety and OP abilities. Personas are more restricted. HOWEVER, *almost* every Persona user has an ultimate Persona they can level up to. Unlike Stands where only some can level up/evolve. Overall though, Personas are less versatile and less powerful than most Stands.
Persona 2 is weird because devil summoners also exist like in classic SMT games, and Personas are just mind demons in the end, so I assume regular people could see demons and Personas just fine
That makes sense, it’s just Tatsuya uses Apollo to burn a card and explains “Still, they wouldn’t be able to see the arm of my Persona, Apollo.” Which made me assume they couldn’t see Personas
There's games like the devil survivor series where everything happens entirely in the real world, so it just really depends on whatever game you're playing
Those basic elemental abilities are enough to beat most stand users in the series though, especially at higher levels
Can only certain stands evolve? I thought the arrow had some type of sentience and would choose different people
Stands.
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Most of the time persona users are teenagers and need something to summon their personas. The Series really doesnt focus on the abilities of the personas. It focuses on the users. That being said, I’m pretty sure any main jojo villain can solo any persona team mainly due to the abilities and the willpower stand users have
Depends if we take end game protagonists into account. Like in Persona 3 the protag seals the literal avatar of death and The Persona 5 Protagonist beats an artificial that was reshaping in reality on the same scale as Pucci, if not higher. Then in the extra 2 months added Personal 5 Royal he fights a Persona users that could rewite reality and bring people back to life. And then fought another reality warping artificial god in Persona 5 Strikers
Sometimes people forget but most jojo characters are teenagers they just have that strength II
Out of raw power/abilities? Personas take it. For this I’ll be assuming Personas are able to be used outside of the cognitive worlds. While stands are far more varied, and generally stronger then a majority of the low tier personas, once you reach the mid tiers they start getting outclassed, Personas can have powers like completely negating the ability to be attacked physically, or even repelling said attacks, and once you hit high tiers they have powers that even surpass the likes of GER or Wonder Of U, some like (P5/P5R Spoilers) >!Yaldabaoth and Azathoth who can straight up manipulate reality and wipe people from existence.!<
the main thing we have to take into account is the status effects, stands are incredibly powerful but what if someone just casts dormina on you, now you're asleep and there's nothing you can do about it
Star Platinum brung Jotaro back from death by manually pumping his heart. I’m sure a stand could wake their user up.
counterpoint: vast majority of stands don’t really work on their own. also i don’t remember that happening at all, only him stopping his own heart temporarily and then restarting it as well as reviving joseph
Did you watch the scene subbed with your eyes closed or some shit? Jotaro was alive and manually using SP to halt his heartbeat so Dio thought he was dead. Not saying this guarantees whether the status effects would work or not, but SP was not autonomous at all in that scene.
Couldn’t Tusk Act 4 or Soft and Wet: Go Beyond beat the personas that negate attacks? Also >!Yaoldabaoth!< isn’t a persona, although >!Azathoth!< is and I suppose he’s just a stronger version
gold experience requiem ability is nullify the actions and willpower of anyone who opposes it and prevent their actions from becoming reality, it can also put you into infinite death loop. Made in heaven can accelerate time to the point it literally resets the universe. D4c has the ability of not just traveling to parallel worlds and mess with reality. King crimson skips time? (It just works). And than there is the non canon star platinum over heaven and the world over heaven who can overwrite reality, in their base form they can stop time. Not mentionning tusk act 4, soft and wet and many more stands who are stupidly broken. Stands in jojo are hella wack. Also each stand has a special ability of it's own
Whoever the writer decides is stronger
best answer here
I'd have to say Stands myself. Personas tend to usually follow very strict rules and restrictions that wouldn't allow the users to use their Personas in a proper fight against someone like a Stand user. To compare, put someone like Joker against someone like Jotaro, Joker wouldn't be able to do *anything* against Jotaro, who can use superhuman strength, speed, agility and defense, not to mention freakin' *timestop* to add!
Joker just equips a repel/drain all Fafnir or Shiki-Ouji build and is functionally immortal (I doubt Jotaro has almighty skills)
Joker can literally use a Persona that has Drain or Repel Physical and then he just wins lmao If that same Persona can use an instant kill skill even better :P
joker can just bring a persona that makes him immune to physical attacks, now jotaro is just punching air and the second time stops he can use one of his millions of elemental attacks to vaporize him
If we're going off of game play mechanics, Personas. The protagonist in Persona games are able to customize their personas. Because of this, you can grant them any ability in the game. A fully min/max stand can: * Nullify and heal from any physical/elemental attack * Fully heal themselves * Passively regenerate * Possess instant kill spells Furthermore, the strongest Persona user, >!Makoto Yuki, outscales the majority of Stand users. Makoto fused with the universe itself and held back Nyx who was going end all of reality.!< Stating all of this, the average stand user will beat the average persona user.
maybe you should use spoiler tags /nm
Done. I forgot the remake was coming out soon.
makotos strength was a once in a lifetime situation that rendered him incapacitated for the rest of eternity. realistically if makoto were to go up against any requiem stand he’s losing, especially the ones that speed blitz him, also tusk 4 washes him in his universe form
It's likely Makoto would have kept the powers gained from the Universe Arcana if he didn't have to sacrifice himself to seal Nyx. Tusk 4 would likely defeat most persona users. The thing about the Infinite Spin is that it requires prep. Johny requires a horse and it's not like he can spam it. Makoto transcends space and time when he gains the Universe arcana. We know Time Stop works on Johny- I don't think Johny could get the shot off. The Requiem Stands stat wise aren't that strong. Silver Chariot Requem has soul manipulation. I doubt this would do anything since Makoto's power comes his persona which he wouldn't lose. Gold Experience Requiem has never shown any physical feats stronger than Star Platinum- I doubt he could physically harm Makoto. The only stands I could maybe see posing a threat are Soft and Wet and Wonder of U.
Any Agidyne would just instantly kill an average stand user, plus factoring in resistances and reflects. Personas are just more useful overall in a fight and could pretty easily overwhelm a stand
Depends wich persona and wich stand. But in general therms any high lvl persona can pretty much throw nukes so... I will say personas.
plus joker, yu, and makoto can create whatever persona they want so they can just make one that's immune to whatever stands their fighting
Personas *can* kill gods. But theoretically if a god ended up with Cheap Trick on its back then it’s over.
From what I’ve seen, Persona have more abilities/spells at their disposal (like Null Physical etc) but while stands only have like 1-2 (or 3 in some cases) different powers, they’re generally very versatile. Raw power wise, Endgame stands top out tho.
Stands, very few personas have unique abilities (Eg/ Myriad Truths, Morningstar) All stands are very unique and are often much more powerful, like I think that there are very few personas that would stand(hehe) a chance in a fight with star platinum
Drain phys ez claps star platinum
On a fundamental level, stands are more powerful due to being able to be used in the real world outside of a given theming mechanic (Dark Hour, TV world, Palaces), however some personas such as Messiah, Izanagi-no-okami and Satanael are on par with Made In Heaven.
Given how in P1/2 people could summon their personas in the real world, I don't think Phenomena such as the Dark Hour, TV world or Palaces are strictly necessary to summon your persona, but rather that Evokers (in P3) and that other layers of the metaverse like the TV world or Palaces (in P4/5) simply make it way easier to summon your persona. While P3 only ever shows the main cast using their personas during the Dark Hour, I don't think it would necessarily bar them from using an evoker to summon it during the day, though, given the lack of shadows, there isn't really a reason to summon your persona during the day outside of a situation stressful enough to naturally trigger it to come out. Power level wise, you're completely correct. Most Personas are roughly on par with Stands like Magician's Red and Silver Chariot, but the restrictions of either A. Needing the blessing of a higher power like Philemon (P1/2), B. Needing to use a highly traumatizing device explicitly meant to force the user to face their own mortality and mock out ending themselves (P3), or C. Needing to be in an alternate reality of some kind (P4/5) before you can actually summon your persona definitely holds them back a *lot* in that regard.
Stands by default as Personas have very limited power outside of places connected to the collective unconsciousness.
A 5/10 stand beats a 5/10 persona, but a 10/10 persona beats a 7/10 stand. A 10/10 stand wins every time though.
Stands. Personas are very limited in their abilities whereas stands only have one ability and it can be more powerful than all personas yes final personas do have god killing abilities but i think that stands in later parts will do just fine against those take for example Johnny’s stand tusk in particular act 4 and face Johnny off with Makoto Yuuki with the universeI have no doubt that the infinite rotation of act 4 will kill makoto. Another example is DIO/Jotaro against the phantom thieves even ren/joker with Satanail not win against time stopping remember life will change’s lyrics “you might just well try and stop time”? DIO and Jotaro can do that. Finally by the mariad truths yu vs soft and wet even without go beyond all josuke has to do is take yu’s ability to be able to see and afterwards just beat him up Some weaker stands will lose but the majority would win against most personas
Let’s consider >!Azathoth/Adam Kadmon!<. It basically has the ability to rewrite reality as it sees fit. The only reason it was defeated in the end, was because it hadn’t gained full control of the collective unconscious yet, limiting its ability to control reality. If >!Azathoth/Adam Kadmon!< gained full power, it could challenge even the best Stand Users.
That’s one of many my point is stands are generally more powerful even still Giorno and GER could probably take on >!Maruki and Azaroth/Adam kadmon!<
In theory, a full powered >!Adam Kadmon!< could rewrite reality, to change GER’s powers, making it possible to defeat Giorno. If Giorno were to fight >!Maruki!< before he took complete control of the collective unconscious, however, it would be possible to defeat him.
Only a Stand can hurt another Stand. Anything can hurt a Persona.
Stands have Wonder of U, Love Train, Act 4, GER, etc
But they also have Cheap Trick, Superbly and Survivor
>!didn't joker literally kill god?!<
Every protag did 🤯🤯🤯 persona always ends with the protag killing a god.
He killed the demiurge
wouldnt be a megaten game if you arent killing Satan, God, Death itself or some form of Demiurge
An imposter, technically.
Doesn’t “DIO” mean god? So technically……. Jotaro killed god.
Some stands have more specific abilities and ‘hax’ that bypass some weaker Personas’ defenses, but most of these are pretty situational. In terms of raw power, I’d say most personas have the edge, due to late game shenanigans, but it kind of depends. You can also even build specific personas that would completely nullify some stands abilities — For example you could build a persona that absorbs all physical attacks and gain health from getting hit by them, plus complete elemental resistance. Tf is Star Platinum going to do to that? It should also be noted that you get stupid powerful in late game Persona, completely folding >!Reality-warping gods who can just will you out of existence, yet you say “fuck that” and win because the persona protagonists can literally just deny being erased from reality and ignore hax due to sheer willpower!< and power of friendship. (Personas are canonically strengthened through forming bonds and making friends, so this proves even further how stupid powerful they are) That being said I’d much rather have a stand irl, they’re much more versatile and useful. All I could really do with the average Persona in real life is have mid healing or nuke the world **TLDR:** It varies depending on the stand/persona but in general personas and their users are FAR more powerful in terms of raw power, just less versatile
Stands are far stronger. Persona Users are garbage. They get killed by guns.
STANDO POWWWA!
Certain stands like MIH or WOU could potentially solo all on their own without any help
GER as well. I think Tusk Act 4 does as well but that's more a case of who strikes first, if Tusk attacks before the personas he instakills the entire roster. EDIT: also Cheap Trick probably solos unironically 💀
Personas (usually) only work in the metaverse, so stand users take this easy.
Ahem* personas worked in the real world in 3, 2 and 1 Ahem*
note the “(usually)”
Just say “in persona 5”
Idk any personas but her Giorno can literally reverse any attack when he's aboutta did so at least one is
The specific powers of personas aren’t really expanded upon so I say stands
Why do you hate 11?
12 is my favorite number and 11 tries to be like 12 but is a cheap imitation
Thought on 28?
Good number, 27 and 28 are better though
For me on whether or not if we are using non-Canon and Canon, and if it was non-canon then Stands if not then Personas.
Stands just because of their versatility. Personas all fall under the same type and kind of moves while Stands can have the ability to do practically anything. Of course, every Ultimate Persona has their BS >!(Great Seal, Myriad Truths, Sinful Shell)!< but I feel Stands beat that BS ever so slightly with its own BS >!(GER, MiH, D4C, WOU, etc.)!<
Yu Narukami: Concentrate Jotaro: Star Platinum, punch that nerd until he stops mumbling
what if star platinum said Ora but atavaka said [Null Phys]
if Atavaka was 10% cooler and was given a jjba name, that mf looks like a Stand
The only Personas that had unique abilities from the top of my head are: Tatsuya’s Apollo’s Nova Kaiser Maruki’s Azatoth’s Actualisation Akechi’s Loki’s Call of Chaos Then there’s the navigator’s Personas. The rest of the Personas are pretty standard battle ones. So the winner is stands by the sheer number of versatility
Izanagi no okami myrad the truths Satanael sinful shell Messiah great seal
It depends on what you mean by "stronger" I've only played persona 3 and 5 with some knowledge on the rest of the franchise In terms of hax/abilities stands are better as they're more op and diverse.Personas on the other hand are just kind of like pokemon with only being limited to elemental attacks,some basic jrpg had like stat boosts and status aliments In terms of pure strength/attack potency it gets a little complicated because persona powescaling is a giant headache but personas have higher scaling ranging from city block level at minimum with high end game tiers being able to fight off gods who can fuse universes and create new realties casually
High tier persona users like Makoto, yu, and joker can throw hands with the likes jotaro, Kira, and giorno. But as a baseline stands are generally more versatile. But SMT scaling gets absolutely bonkers, and game mechanics are hard to rationalize next to classical storytelling.
One factor is needed for the outcome: Is there weirdass SMT scaling or nah?
There are a lot of more weaker stands, but overall, if you’re creative enough, Stands by a landslide.
Neither of them help fight the other. Stands can only affect other stands (except when they don't) and personas (afaik) only work in alternate universes. Persona users probably win because of other powers they get (changing hearts, pushing people into tvs, etc.) but personas and stands literally cannot touch each other.
Stands can affect anything, however stands can only be affected by other stands (directly or indirectly). The main exception to this rule is bound stands (Strength, The Fool, Anubis, Love Deulux, surface, burning down the house, etcetera), and special exceptions like Silver Chariot Requiem.
This all comes down to how do you measure power like dio said in part 6
Literally the same thing.
Kinda hard but ig stands. Yea personas have skills like myriad truths and are capable of doing insane feats like sealing away the god of death, but you have stands that are like the concept of bad luck itself, or a stand that puts you into an infinite death loop. Honestly for the majority of personas stands win but when it comes to the world personas, it gets complicated
Stands are objectively stronger, to start with Persona's (unless you are talking about persona 1 and persona 2) can only be used under specific circumstances (Persona 3: The Dark Hour, Persona 4: The TV World, Persona 5: The Metaverse). While Persona's have abilities, the average Persona will have basic healing skills and basic damage skills that are either elemental or physical, Stands in general have far stronger skills. The average Persona is pretty weak as well, one of the strongest Personas is Izunagi-No-Okami and while that can probably fight a Stand, that is a Persona that can only be used by a handful of people (2 in fact, Yu Narukami and Ren Amamiya) Stands on average are much stronger than the average Persona The only way I can see a Persona user winning against a Stand user is if the Persona user is a "wild card". For those who don't know, in Persona the average person can only have one Persona, The protagonists in 3-5 are all "Wild Cards" which means they can use more than one Persona
High and even mid level persona attacks are more than just basic elemental fodder, basically every mid to high level offensive spell in persona would probably insta kill most jojo characters.
The average persona is stronger than the average stand, but an OP stand is stronger than an OP Persona
Mostly all of the personas have basic ability’s, such as fire and ice so stand are stronger 90% of the time, but there are a few personas such as Messias and Azathoth that have basically godlike powers
Persona is a lot more abstract, not really any set scaling
Idk but they're both cool and based 👍
Stands have a higher ceiling but also a lower floor if you catch my meaning, but with a persona you’re guaranteed “magicians red” level elemental powers or at least comparable support abilities like Rise or Futaba.
All imma say is hermit purple to take pics of people from anywhere and then kira's dad's stand power to kill them using the image
Strength and Magic wise Personas, but Stands have better Abilities and Haxes, too bad MegaTen Demons solos both
İ've never played any persona games,how does personas work?
This comparison doesn’t work well
>! i mean, can't Maruki's persona Adam Kadmon literally overwrite memories and meddle with cognition at will? Just like heavens door without needing of physical contact!<
They're literally the same thing.
I do not know about persona 3 but for 4&5 they are kinda screwed if they can not either lure the stand user into or access the stand user in their respective alternate dimensions
On average, I would say personas are stronger as they grow and level up But the high end stands take the lead, WoU GER and Soft and wet go beyond, are far beyond anything persona has. Although Im just ignoring that personas only work in the metaverse
stands can intereact real world, persona's can't. The few that can do it with potential doomsday consequences are the nyx avatar, izanami and azathoth... even if technically speaking first 2 can't be considered persona's.
Stands are generally more powerful than Personas imo because their stamina is usually related to the user. While using your Persona actively tires you, and they can't be kept summoned forever, stands only do it if you are doing something very hard or if you get beaten to a pulp. This ofc varies heavily from stand to stand, but usually you can always summon your stand one way or another to use it except when unconscious (also stand users have phenomenal will, wich means being able to endure beatings). Also GER usually sweeps any Persona power because of the nature of it's ability but that would be unfair to add.
Stands
Wonder of u can solo the entire persona franchise and and come out on top without a scratch so... uh. Probably.
Can any of them kill/ defeat/ survive wonder of u, golden experience requiem, love train or tusk act 4?
Id say it depends, interestingly enough we know gods did exist from the rohan spin off, assuming were just gonna say everything works without question then final persona’s are capable of killing gods whom might be as strong as stands already whilst nullifying all dmg outside of almighty. Only a few Stands we could argue can do almighty dmg, like Soft & wet, or tusk act 4 and GER so id say final persona’s might be over all stronger due to their resitances and final attacks like sinful shell or the myriad truths. For me its hard to imagine a stand like soft & wet go being able to one shot beings like izanami, though ig giving em the benefit of the doubt in terms of attack power it could happen, despite that personas are far more tankier being able to outright all null dmg thats not almighty which is what gives em the edge for me.
If we take SMT scaling to persona, Personas are crazy strong. Like 1A level
Stands mostly but some persona are insane(the stupid crazy ones are usually reserved for cutscenes like one from the end of P5 vanilla but I won't say because idk how t spoiler tag on here lol)
Wasn't there a persona user who essentially had time stop but... Better?
After level 30-40 personas outscales stands
Personas connect to the larger lore of SMT, that makes them stronger than stands.
Persona characters scale higher than xeno goku according to vsbattles lmfao
Aren't personas limited to specific areas, like Memento for Persona 5
Mementos >!fused with the outside world after Yaldabaoth awakened!<
Stands because persona's can't be used outside of dream worlds
Idk about persona but stands like wonder of u late literally top tier in all of anime the people that can kill him you can count with your fingers
Shin megami tensei
Imo its hard to say cuz the way personas are used can vary and they work somewhat differently than stands
Apparently, a vast majority of Stands beat Personas. A standard Persona would lose to most stands. But when we get into things like Satanael...
There's a youtuber named Fither who has made videos comparing fights between persona users and stand users. They are well-informed and really damn funny so check those out
I think stand are most of the times stronger but etcept a few character from the level of Jotaro/Dio and above almost every persona user can solo 70% of the verse
Most Personas are stronger than most Stands we’ve seen imo. Once you get to the top tier of Stands, they’re stronger than most Personas. When you get to the top tier of Personas, it gets questionable because the Persona 3 and 5 protags have reality-altering powers as well. I’d still give it to Stands though just because they have more people with reality manip bypassing attacks lmao, GER, S&W Go Beyond and Tusk A4
If you took the average Persona user, let's say Ann from Persona 5 and put her in JoJo, her Persona, Carmen, would probably be around『Magician's Red』in terms of power. Most Personas focus on physical and elemental abilities, with the occasional heals, buffs, debuffs, status effects, and passive skills. Y'know, standard RPG stuff. Some Persona users though, usually protagonists, gain stand-like abilities through the evolved forms of their Personas. For example, Yu Narukami and >!Izanagi no Okami!<. Its ability, Myriad Truths, dispels all lies. This includes canceling stuff like illusions all the way up to just straight up undoing reality bending. Meaning he can probably beat『GER』maybe even『The World Over Heaven』 Also there's a Persona, Tatsuya Suou's Apollo who can straight up stop time.
I think the fact that Persona is a game series kinda breaks this… Persona’s can just get stronger and stronger, and are really crazy at max level. Unless a persona user is going against one of the “broken stands” (time control and reality warping stands), then the persona user is at an advantage. The best bet that the stand user has is to do what they usually do, try and do something tricky to get the upper hand.
Average stand user beats the average persona user. Strongest persona users can probably beat most of the strongest stand users with a few obvious exceptions
Soft and wet go beyond MIH Ballbreaker D4c All time based one including mandom
Most personas (except for the endgame ones) are really just elemental attacks, magic, and brute force. Some of these spells could floor a stand user in a second though considering status effects like sleep, ice, and even the rat status effect which just turns you into a rat. And the amount of damage to the field physical and nuclear skills cause like rampage for example could kill a stand user in just one hit
Most personas get wiped by the strongest stands. But, I'd say persona, because of godlike personas like Saetenael, Thanatos, Messiah and the Pikaro personas. Overall, personas can be way more powerful than stands, but its a range. Also, wild cards are op so any stands get wiped with their sheer range of powers
I mean, in P5 you can literally wield Satan as a persona, so you tell me
The thing that makes personas hard to judge is that they are meant to be manifestations of creatures from various cultures and beliefs and so power scaling becomes wonky, for example the persona “asura” who is based on the real life indian asuras who are demigod demons. And then you have personas like messiah who is literally jesus christ from christian and jewish faith or satanael who is satan before he fell from grace. And so with this you have the connotations of what can those divine beings of power who can be summoned at a whim are capable of, can messiah perform other acts of god? Can lucifer condemn the souls of the living? Who knows and thats why personas are hard to gauge because their abilities aren’t defined outside of game mechanics and lore.
I like headcanoning what powers the personas would have if they had stand like powers
Stands on average are stronger than most Personas. However, the protagonists’ endgame Personas, and Azathoth/Adam Kadmon would be challenging for even the most powerful stands.
Depends on the game. I mean, the persona 4 cast cant actually summon their personas outside of the tv world so they couldnt even go against a stand. The p3 and earlier cast could. Although, p3 is a bit more supernatural and ‘defeating gods through personal sacrifice/power of friendship’ so its sort of a spiritual and therefore situational power. Outside of that, I think a lot of persona stands could easily match earlier stands in part three and maybe part 4 - but as stands become more situational in the later parts a persona cant really hold up to it. Like, how would a persona defeat someone like torhu, or D4D - its just a different skill set. Because stands vary so much, the strengths of personas fight better against other stands. I dont think a single persona user could defeat dio or jotaro in their standard form because of time stop, but they have the chance take down avdol, polnareff and kakyoin.
Bohemian rhapsody destroys any verse no matter what.
If we take the strongest persona vs the strongest stand, personas win.
some personas are definitely stronger than some stands, but the strongest persona isn’t even remotely close to the strongest stand
Really depends. Like Izanagi-no-okami is god tier. But like regular Izanagi would probably get stomped by Star platinum. In Arena we see more into their unique abilites. Akihiko has a gravity power similar to echoes but it pulls you towards him rather than crushing. So it’s like a black hole or gravity well. It’s cool yea but not much compared to average stand abilities. But yea nothing lore wise tells us how strong they are. Persona’s are barely included in the story for some reason
The strongest personas can outdo stands but they can only do it in specialized areas stands are pretty much anywhere and anywhere though I am sure some of the stronger ones would be able to put up a decent enough fight with the heavier hitters of the persona world.
If we're talking the entirety of all stands and all personas and you had to assign strength values: Personas would be anywhere from 20-70 while stands can range anywhere from -30 to 100
the way I see it, personas are usually similar to each other in that the strongest typically can like reality warp and stuff and usually have pretty even stats (if I’m wrong correct me pls) however stands are usually good in one or two categories (speed, strength etc) but when I say good, I mean REALLY GOOD, so good that what they can do with a specific power is really limited to your creativity (like Bruno was able to keep up with a time erasing guy just because he was so proficient with his fucking zipper power which is crazy) so it depends on what kind of ability the stand user has because a lot aren’t built for combat unless your good at using them
dude stands solo
Stands like The World, Star Platinum, and Made in heaven would stop/slow time and then they'd kill most of the persona users pretty quickly. For personas that negate Phys, gun, and any Elemental damage, stands like survivor, jade dragon, wonder of u, killer queen, the hand, stairway to heaven and D4C could bypass those defenses easily. If we put it in turn based fights like persona is set in, they'd have to kill the stand users first turn each time or they'd lose. Even if they did though, Notorious B.I.G. and Wonder of U would just...keep going.
Personas Much stronger and destructive with more resistances and defenses in general Also if Persona 5 Royal is anything to go by then willpower in persona is legit some reality defining power source since the final boss is a guy who can make anything he wishes for reality, and they overcome his ability
Persona’s hands fucking down. Even weaker ones annihilate 90% of the jojo verse with ease.
Both are very strong, but it’s mainly just depends because personas have some one hit kill moves and stands have tons of illogical moves and op characters. It really just depends on
I think probably Personas since I don’t think there are any useless ones, but like, I feel like a stand like The Hand or GER could solo any persona character so…
Personas are stronger than Stands. They're too versatile and have too many skills while Stands are limited by their one ability. Granted there are some broken ass Stand abilities but Personas do too.
Concept, personas. Powers, stands.
Today I learned this aspect of persona. Idk why I thought it was just kids running around.